B (3:17)

Thank you for that preface. And yeah, it's impossible to be unstoppable if you don't recharge and slow things down periodically to again, to take more intentional actions for yourself, for your child, for your family. That's the key. It comes down to decision making. And toxins are a term that's thrown around and it's easy to get overwhelmed because there's toxins everywhere. But truly, for parents who have a child with challenges, if they look at the root cause of what might be behind this, what might be contributing to it, you can't ignore toxic exposure as a potential root cause.

A (3:59)

Yeah. And let's talk about that just for a second. Toxins in the chemical industry are described as chemicals which are contaminants or heavy metals. They're chemicals that kill more than 50% of the animal subjects in a study in less than 96 hours. So, you know, so they could, might not describe certain elements. Like aluminum is considered a toxic metal. It's not considered a heavy metal. Yeah. Even though heavy metals can be toxic. Right. So I know there's like, there's framing around it, which is difficult. And they, some people wouldn't describe certain pesticides or chemicals as toxic because it may take longer for them to kill those animals and the subject. So sometimes we just say harmful pesticides. Right. Like we want to get these harmful pesticides out of our food because some people may not consider certain ones toxic, even though they're very harmful. But either way, toxic chemicals kill things. And they can also cause lifelong permanent damage. They can cause mental illness, endocrine disruption, liver and kidney disease. They can slowly kill people. Right. Over a period of 10 or 20 years. It doesn't necessarily mean that they will kill somebody within 96 hours. Now there's certain levels of toxic chemicals that can kill people within less than 96 hours, for sure. But what we're talking about is chronic exposure over time of these toxins that add up sometimes, often do not get detoxified very easily and can cause an impact, you know, many, many years down the road. I've personally experienced this with my sons. I did have huge Benefits. When we went organic, when they were children, my sons, they had many different allergies. That was at first what I noticed. They had rashes, febrile seizures. You know, this is definitely after vaccines. And I didn't know it until later, but two out of three were, you know, on the spectrum. And so they had issues with learning behavior and focus and attention, mood, you know, circular thinking, depression, all of that. And, and we got some testing along the way and we noticed things like they had over 20 different food allergies. They had some industrial chemicals in their bodies. And we did take certain steps for detoxing, like, you know, foot baths or certain, you know, activated charcoals, eating organic as much as possible. And we found when we ate organic, we definitely noticed results. Our children's allergies went away. A lot of the rashes went away, a lot of the behavioral issues calmed down. And at one point, one of my sons who had autism symptoms that were very apparent, very aggressive, and difficulties with learning and all of that, all of those went away. When he ate organic, after a period of six weeks, he just dramatically improved. So I'm a huge advocate for eating organic. However, my eldest son, who ate Organic for 10 years, his name is Ben, he ate organic food for 10 years. When I say organic food, I mean when we went to a restaurant, he would drink water or bring his own food. He would not eat the food at the restaurant. The only food he ate was from Chipotle because we had tested and we had found they had the least amount of pesticides. They had advertised that they were non gmo, many of their ingredients were organic. So he had Chipotle maybe once a month, some maybe twice a month. If it was like, you know, he got a gift card from somebody, you know, he. But other than that, he ate organic a hundred percent of the time. And he also became a vegan. But he wouldn't have called himself a vegan. He would said. He said he was a whole food plant, organic, whole food, plant based diet person. Because you can eat chips and soda and be a vegan, right? He did not eat processed food in that way. Hardly ever. Maybe some salsa chips, right? Chips with salsa. That was it. And of course they were organic. So he ate vegan, organic, whole food, plant based diet for seven years and organic for 10 years. And yet, unfortunately, close to six months ago, he succumbed to depression and committed suicide. And it's been horrible. And it was the last thing that we suspected because as I said, he ate very healthy. He wanted at one point to be a Nutritional scientist. You know, he was very focused on food. He read the book how not to Die by Michael Greger at 14 years old and decided to focus on doing everything he could to live a long life. He was a survival skills expert. He was a runner. He was a man of God. He worked at the neighbor's house next door three hours a day on a farm, outside, outdoors, you know, organic farm. He practiced Muay Thai for a while the year before he passed. So there were a lot of things that he was doing for a long time to keep himself very healthy. And it was the last thing that we ever would have expected. But a year before he passed, I did notice signs of depression. And I was very concerned about him eating, being a vegan, because I had heard that some people get depressed after a while. So we got him tested and we did notice genetically that there were certain things like he had to. He really should have been eating eggs because his body did not absorb choline well through plants. Same with me. So he and I both started eating more eggs, and I do believe it impacted our memories. It did help, but he had some toxins in his body. I gave him supplements. I found out later he was not taking them, so he was not detoxifying the way he should. And then four months before he passed, we did additional tests on him and found out that his cholesterol was extremely low and it was contributing to his depression. We also found out that he had high levels of heavy metals. One in particular is thalium. And thaleum causes DNA breakage and mental illness. And it's found in very high levels in kale. And he ate a giant bowl of kale salad or green salads every day. I mean, like a family size bowl. So we believe that the thallium contributed to his mental illness. Also, he had high levels of mycotoxins, which are found in grains and beans. And that's primarily because glyphosate increases the growth of molds, and the byproduct of molds are mycotoxins. And we also found high levels of Candida, which eats the heavy metals. So you'll have higher levels of Candida in people with high levels of heavy metals. And Candida definitely causes suicide ideation. And we also found very low levels of other nutrients that were indicative of a vegan diet, which, you know, like vitamin D and E and other vitamins that contribute to the health issues and the problems. So we know now, we know basically why he passed. And the MTF HR gene variants also did not help, right he had several of those and those impair a person's ability to detoxify. And so the heavy metals and, oh, he also had high levels of DDT and some banned pesticides in his body, which we don't know where those came from, but we know that they can impact people especially, you know, worse when they have a mtf, HR and other gene variants. So we are advocates for people finding out about those toxins and mycotoxins, heavy metals, pesticides, you know, all these things in their bodies because they can and do contribute towards depression. And I'm also a massive advocate now for genetic testing to find out, you know, if your body, you know, can handle not only the toxins, but being a vegan, there are just some people that should not ever be a vegan. And I don't think that's information that, you know, advocates of veganism are telling people often enough.

B (12:07)

First of all, just thank you so much for sharing all of this. And there's so much I think that you're learning and discovering. So the fact that you're willing to share your story, I just can't tell you how much I appreciate it and I know our listeners will as well. When you think about the testing, though, and that piece of it, first of all, you mentioned genetic, I'm guessing you're talking about more like functional genomic testing where you can get an idea of what your blueprint is and that would help inform diet choices, correct?

A (12:39)

Yes. Well, I had originally done with my kids ancestry.com a long time ago, and I just sent that genetic information, it's like the raw data, to a friend of mine who has a child with autism vaccine damage. She ended up training, becoming a nutritionist, and then she learned how to read genetic SNPs. So it's her occupation now, like many of the parents I'm sure that you talk to, what she does is tries to help other people with these problems. And so I sent her the genetic information and she read his genetic SNPs and learned. He and I both, we did that for both of us and we both learned an awful lot about genetically what we should and should not be eating. And it's oftentimes things that you would never suspect. I mean, if you have these certain genes, sometimes you don't absorb vitamin B12 easily. So, you know, even the vitamin B supplementation that he was taking may not have been working the way that it should have, you know, with or would with other people.

B (13:42)

And it may not have been enough or even the right form of vitamin B, Correct?

A (13:46)

Yeah. Yes. And so that type of investigation is really important to do. And he was of the mind, because of the books he's read, that he can get all his nutrition from food. And ideally, you know, that's what would happen. But when we have the testing that we've been conducting lately and the science that we've been seeing from organizations like Bionutrient. I'm sorry, I'm not remembering. I think it's Bionutrients. Anyway. It's a. Dan Kittredge has a whole organization where they test nutrient density and the nutrients. The food that in the food supply takes today is so nutrient deficiency that, you know, farmer Dr. Don Huber, who's a farmer educator, said, I wouldn't even call that food. Like, it's just. It's just so devoid of nutrients that if. Unless you're supplementing with the right form. Right. And actually good quality supplements, we are walking around really, all of us just. It's miraculous that we're even functioning right because of the lack of nutrients that we're having right now. I mean, it's just a testament to how miraculous our bodies are that our bodies compensate and make up for and do the best we can. But there's severe nutrient deficiencies happening. And I noticed. I learned something new recently. We met with the epa. We had some scientists that came with us. We discussed some food testing that we're doing that we'll be able to reveal soon. And. And Dan Stein was one of the scientists with us. And when I had asked him, why are the iron levels so low in some of the samples that we were testing? And he said, because glyphosate chelates copper. And I said, well, what does that have to do with iron? And he said, well, iron won't get absorbed into the body unless you have sufficient levels of copper. So I found that very interesting because the anemia and the fatigue that comes with the iron deficiency and all of the other health issues. The imbalance of copper and zinc in children with autism is across the board. Pretty much every child with autism has an imbalance of that. Some could be too high in zinc, some could be too high in copper. Right. And so the mineral levels in our food are very much dependent on food and in our bodies. Right. How our bodies absorbs them is very much in a. There's a relationship between the toxins in our food supply as well. Right. The toxins, such as glyphosate, that's a chelator and a toxin. Right. Impacts our mineral Absorption and how our bodies function. So we need to know what those toxins are in our food, and we need to know what the toxins are and the mineral levels are in our bodies. We need to know the mineral levels in our food as well. But we need transparency. We need transparency with what is happening in our food supply today. And I hate to say it, but although the work that's incredible, that's being done around the nutritional guidelines, right, and the new food pyramid and all of that, and I highly approve of, you know, all that was done there. The missing thing is that they're not basing the nutritional guidelines based on, like, for instance, if they give serving sizes right. Those guidelines would not be based on the reality of the food supply today. Those guidelines are based on fantasy figures. They're based on numbers from maybe the 30s of when there were actual nutrients in the food. Today, if you compare, if you actually test and look for how much iron or, you know, zinc or magnesium or manganese or copper is in the food, it is so deficient that a person would have to eat hundreds of servings of a particular food item in some cases in order to get the recommended daily intake of that nutrient or vitamin. I mean, you've seen the memes probably for 10 years now. You'd have to eat 70 servings of spinach to get the same amount of iron today that you would have in the 30s. We did some testing with fast food. It was 333 chick fil a sandwiches that I would have to eat as a woman. You'd have to eat 380 as a man to get your recommended vitamin B3 levels. Right. And for in one day. So in most cases, the numbers are anywhere from 40 to 300 of that one particular item that you would have to eat in a day in order to get the same amount of vitamins and nutrients that you would have in the 1930s, before the industrial chemical farming started. So you see, there's a massive discrepancy between what we're being told as far as servings, you know, of food that we should consume and the reality of the nutrient density in that food and, you know, the reality of, of, of what's actually happening in the food supply. You know, what we're being told and what's actually there is, is very, very different. So that's one of the, one of the big areas that we need transparency in. It's not just toxins, but it's in the, in the nutrient density and the toxins are strongly related.

B (19:02)

Yeah, that's absolutely mind boggling. And it's been kind of known, pretty well established over the last few years, particularly with people like Dr. Zach Bush, who's been talking about how incredibly depleted the soil is, which is why he has his initiative with Farmers Footprint to help farmers reclaim the land and reclaim the soil and because it is so nutrient poor, for lack of a better word. But what you're describing is how that's translating into what we're actually ingesting with the food. And it may be wildly, wildly different than it was.

A (19:39)

It is. And so we feel like, oh, we've eaten and then many of us feel we still feel hungry and we wonder why. And we crave, you know, certain. If we crave certain salty snacks, what we're really needing is magnesium, right. If we crave craving sweet things, there's other vitamins and nutrients that, that's what we really want is the nutrients, not necessarily that type of crunchy or sweet food. And so I wish I'd memorized more of what those were right now. But I'm sure we can come up with some great graphics and memes to support your listeners about that. I've seen those floating around on the Internet and, you know, that's the thing to think about. I know for sure. One of the. If you do have a craving, a good thing to reach out to is to get sauerkraut. So if you have sweet cravings at night, if you have a tablespoon of sauerkraut, it's really the bacteria in your gut that's calling out for that sweetness and that type of satiation. And you can feel more satiated if you have a big tablespoon of sauerkraut and you're sorting out your gut microbiome and all of that. So it's a much healthier thing to do. But yes, we need the transparency. And, and there's. Yeah, there's just, there's so much to say about these toxins. I'd like to say one thing about. I'd like to go through each one of them again that was found in my son, the heavy metals. I want people to know that the FDA is not regulating for heavy metals at all in our food, except for applesauce. Some guidelines for baby food and candy, and that's only primarily leading. So if you think the government is doing a good job in regulating heavy metals in the food supply, you are sorely mistaken. And unfortunately, some of the highest levels are being found in organic food. And I have no good answer for what we really can do about that except for consistently detoxify. Right. Because I'm always going to continue to suggest people to eat organic because there are thousands of times less pesticides in organic. And glyphosate is not allowed. Right. To be used in organic production. So I'm always going to recommend organic. However, there can be some foods such as cinnamon, some sweet potatoes and potatoes, some types of meat can be much higher in heavy metals than conventional. And the reason for this is, is because conventional food can use straight up chemicals like phosphorus, nitrogen. Right. They can just add in the chemical versions of those elements. But organic farming has to use natural substances like manure, like chicken manure, pig manure, cow manure. I don't even know if they. Some may use human manure sludge. Right? PFAS is in that. And because they're using manure, they're getting all of the excrement has the heavy metals and the chemicals in it, right. That's how the cow gets rid of it, that's how the pig gets rid of it out of their body. And how they survive is because they're getting rid of those chemicals and heavy metals. So we end up, then they end up uptaking into the foods that we eat. And organic foods can have higher levels of heavy metals. So I would encourage people to detoxify on a daily basis to things like sauna. According to, I think it's Dr. Edward Group from Global Healing, which we highly recommend their supplements. He said that a 20 minute sauna can expel as much as a month's worth of supplements for detoxifying. So if you haven't done a month worth of detoxifying with supplements like activated charcoal and bentonite clay and different kind of detox projects, I mean products, and you can get access to a sauna. 20 minute sauna will really make a difference. So doing that a couple times a week would be a, if you can, would be a huge step in the right direction. If you can't do sauna, then go sweat, go run until you're sweating, right? Exercise, work, work out until you're sweating. And so that's one thing that we can do about the heavy metals.

B (23:55)

And then there's even supplements maybe that you can take that can help, like even, even just consuming cilantro, you know, naturally, it's a natural chelator. So there's other things that you can do to help with detoxification. But what you're saying is organic food, which you still want to consume compared to conventional, but if there's higher Levels of metals in there and not being able to test it yourself, then just having a good process where you're detoxing on a consistent basis or doing things that set up your detox pathways is a powerful move.

A (24:25)

Yes, that will help. And then, and also getting the testing, I, you know, it's expensive so you're not going to be doing it every month, but maybe once or twice a year if you can get your own heavy metal levels tested, you can see the difference. And I did this. I had, I had levels of aluminum in my body that were, you know, not wonderful. I mean they weren't terrible. It was less than 25 is toxic. Right. Of aluminum. I think I had like four or six or something like that. But I had Fiji water every day. And then I retested myself a year later and the levels were non detectable. So you know, you, there are things that you can do to lower those levels and when you retest, you can see the difference. So that there's definitely, I think that's one of the best investments to make is to get that testing done. And we have a relationship now with Kendall McIntosh, who's one of the highest certified licensed nutritionists that you can get. And that's on momsacrossamerica.org under action and you click on get testing and you can get heavy metal testing, total tox testing, genetic testing, allergy testing, you know, all kinds of things. And she has a discounted rate there and a portion of the proceeds go back to support moms across America. So we appreciate that. And you get to find out what's going on, you know, in your body. And if you have high levels of heavy metals, you may also have high levels of pesticides because, I'm sorry, of parasites, because parasites eat the heavy metals. So it's actually the body's way, like nature's way of trying to support you and when, so if you have high levels of parasites, you probably have high levels of heavy metals, you know, so getting both tested would be useful. You may also have high levels of Candida, as I mentioned earlier. And that is when you have an overgrowth of yeast in your body, you can have like a certain body odor to yourself that is unpleasant. And the high levels eating sugar can exacerbate the candida. So you want to keep an eye out for that and get tested for that as well. And then the other thing is pesticides, you know, we just don't know where these pesticides are coming from. Ben ate a lot of beans and most beans that like Black beans, canned beans that he ate come from China. And, you know, some food groups, like we import 60% of our fruit. I'm not sure exactly how much it is with beans, but it's somewhere probably between 30 and 60% of our beans are imported. So we import a lot of food from other countries and they do not give a rat's patootie about regulating chemicals in these other countries. Right. So we do not know what we're eating when we import food from other countries. I'm a huge advocate for reducing our dependency on foreign food and growing food in America. Eating food that's grown in America and having it be carefully regulated so that we're not consuming these toxins and basically experiencing chemical warfare from other countries potentially. Right. So that's important about the pesticides is to get retested. Same thing with the mycotoxins. Get tested to check your levels. And the candida as well. And the nutrients also very important to keep up on and keep up to date with. Because when you have certain low nutrients, it really can affect your mental health, your physical health and your reproductive health. People who are trying to get pregnant, it could just be one nutrient that they're missing that prevents the egg from attaching to the uterus and growing properly. It could be very simple fix. So getting tested and finding out the truth about what's going on in your body, I think now I would even say comes number one, even before eating organic, is find out the truth, what's going on with you.

B (28:18)

Right, right. It's having more awareness of what's actually happening. And testing is a wildly overwhelming area. Right. Because in terms of what labs to run, whether you're running blood labs, urine, stool, there's so many different ways of assessing what's going on in the body. And yeah, we'll include the link in the show notes to your page and the testing that you feel is relevant in those various areas. But I think for anyone who's listening, sure, you can actually run labs yourself with your doctor if you're working with someone. The problem is if you run labs with a Quest or a LabCorp and do whatever testing they're doing, the ranges that are used as to what's acceptable, what's not, can be ridiculous and not meaningful. So you might get reports that say, hey, everything's fine, when in fact it's not. And that's why when it comes to toxicity, there really sometimes aren't acceptable levels. Dr. Anju Usman Singh was on about a month before this pod. This episode will Air. And she talked about the impact of low level lead toxicity and how it's not the high levels, it's the lower level exposure that really has a profound impact on so many kids when they're very young. And that was the case with our son Ry. And even now he's testing really high for lead toxicity. Like the lead in that boy's body, that young man's body is through the roof. And we have deduced that at least a piece of that is because of something very innocent sounding, which is sea salt. Because he would add sea salt to his water anytime he drank water. And he added the Celtic gray salt, which in recent testing is, I'm sure, you know, tested through the roof for lead, you know, naturally occurring, but lead nonetheless. So sometimes as a parent, you may be doing. Doing things that you feel are healthy, whether it's the sea salt for my son or kale for Ben, where, hey, you got to really be careful about what it is that you're feeding your child. And would you agree that a key strategy would be, whatever you're doing, do more diversity and not over and over?

A (30:29)

I remember walking in the kitchen one day and seeing him eat a giant salad and, you know, having a pot next to him. He would heat up two cans of beans and just eat right out of the pot. I don't know why, but. And I remember seeing that and thinking, you know, that can't be good. The same thing every day. And I mentioned it to him and he's like, mom, I'm fine. It's fine. You know, like, because, you know, there was diversity in his salad. He did have many different seeds and, you know, vegetables and things in his salad, but it was the same type of food every day. And that's just not how our ancestors were ate. They grazed, they hunted, they had seafood, they had berries and nuts and, you know, all kinds of grains and, you know, they ate a varied diet. And so that's what's, I think, is incredibly important to do. Even my cat died recently because he was having. I looked it up. It was. The problem was an all fish diet. An all fish diet can create bladder stones. And then they have, you know, stones in their urethra. They can't urinate. They can die from that. And it can be reoccurring. And, and so I researched later and I found out, oh, they're not supposed to eat an all fish diet or all one anything diet. They're supposed to eat a varied diet. And that's not what my vet told me. Find a Cat food that they like and feed them that stick to that. It's like the exact opposite of what I was told. So, you know, humans are the same way. And also genetically we are all very different. You know, Europeans and Caucasians, 60 to 70% of their diet during biblical times was grains. Not the case for Chinese. Right. Who also didn't have a lot of dairy. So genetically we're very different. And I'd like to raise awareness about the fact that we came up with the idea of Kendall and I when we were looking at Ben's genetic testing. She mentioned, well, you know, we really should have at birth. Parents should know whether or not their kids have the mtf, HR or other gene variants that prevent them from detoxing. And it could dramatically change their choices, inform their choices around whether or not they vaccinate on the first day of life and subject their child to aluminum or mercury or whatever is in the vaccines at that time, whether or not they give them an organic formula or formula at all, whether or not the mother eats organic when she's breastfeeding, what baby wash, what body care, you know, what lotions they would subject their child to if they knew their child had this MTFHR and other gene variants that impair their ability to detox. They would be much better informed in the child, you know, the care of the child. So I came up with a proposed bill to expand the newborn genetic testing. There's newborn genetic testing that's already happening right now. It's called picute heal testing. It's just a little pinprick. And within a very short period of time, the parents can find out whether or not their child has a rare genetic disorder or not. And the hospital informs them, Right? Or they tell the doctor and the doctor informs them if they do, if they don't, they don't get the rest of the information. So every baby is tested in every state now, unless some states may allow some opt outs, but it's not my understanding that that is the usual thing. They test them for 200 different gene variants and markers, but they don't give the parents all of the information. They only give them the information of the testing that's considered pathogenic. And so I think that's a problem. I think parents should be fully informed. So I've updated instead of an expansion act to include the genetic testing we found out from a genetic, a geneticist system. Sorry I missed that point. But the geneticist called me after I was on the high wire talking about this and said, zen, they already do that testing they just don't inform the parents about it. So we've changed the name to the Newborn Genetic Disclosure Act. Right. So whatever the parents are being tested, testing their kids for, the parents get to know. And we would also like to include if the parents don't want to be have their baby tested for genetics, then they get an opt out. Right. It shouldn't be forced upon anybody. So that's our recent sort of ask and we're looking for sponsors on the Hill and we have a very favorable response. So by the time this airs, it may be you may be able to ask your senator representative to get that bill passed. It makes sense. It doesn't cost any additional money pretty much. And the parents have a right to know what their children babies are being tested for.

B (34:54)

And assuming that bill doesn't pass, can parents now request it? Like can they get the information if they ask or are you saying that they can't in any way access.

A (35:02)

No, they won't give it to them because it's not classified as pathogenic. So there needs to be a law change around that they only give the parents information for something that's like a diagnosed disease. Right. So it's that you're getting in the world of diagnosis and then the doctor has to give it to them. So if they, if you ask them for it, they'll be like, well it's, you know, it's not, it's not a diagnosed disease so we can't give you that information. So you can go get yourself baby test your baby tested yourself though it's like a simple swab, you know, cheek swab test with ancestry.com or there's all, there's a lot of different genetic, you know, testing companies now. So and with, with Kendall know through our moms across America too, there's a good, a good company there that does it.

B (35:45)

All right. Super no, good luck with the bill. And yes, I think I teed it up at the beginning. But yes, you've been taking lots of trips to Washington and working. I'm sure it's been very eye opening for you in terms of how the government works, the HHS and the like. But phenomenal that these conversations are being had that there's momentum and again with the fact that you're there to, to advocate and to help educate and to get real change enacted. You know, again I just can't tell you how much your passion your, your, your commitment and your organization have done just so much. So I'll leave it at that. Is there anything that you feel like that you, you feel called to say to parents that we haven't covered yet?

A (36:29)

Well, I just like to say get involved. You know, I, I had no formal training in, you know, lobbying or, you know, speaking to my senators or representatives. And mostly you're speaking to staffers that are 26 years old. You know, they're not intimidating. They're paid to listen. You can call them and talk to them and leave a message. They will, you know, they will. Especially if they add up over to 10, you know, people on the same subject. They will translate that information to their boss. And their bosses work for us. You know, we're their bosses, really. So just take that on that, you know, the government works for us. We're the ones that, you know, give them the marching beats. And the reason why anybody can run for office, unlike an athlete. An athlete has to train for years to be an Olympic athlete. Right? You can't just be an Olympic athlete, but anybody can be an elected official because their only job is to represent us. Their only job is to speak up on behalf of what we want. So anybody can do it. You can be an actor, you can be a real estate agent, you can be a teacher. You know, you can be stay at home mom, and you can run for office. So keep that in mind that they work for us. And please support our new legislative arm called the Moms Across America movement. And the tagline is yes, ma'. Am. Right. Our mission is championing policy and public servants who put children, health, safety, and America's future first. And so that's our new legislative arm so that we can, you know, be much more active in lobbying and supporting candidates. And we have our yes ma' am calls once a month where we, you know, bring on a candidate who's running for office, who's doing some wonderful things. We had an AG from Texas. We've had a man running for office in Missouri. And you know, we've been starting to feature some people and it's really wonderful. So get involved and just cause you haven't done it before, it really, it doesn't matter. What matters is what you're committed to. If you're committed to a future of health and freedom for your child, for your family. And you take actions every day. You and I, we will all transform the world. And I fully believe that.

B (38:33)

I do too. And that's a beautiful message to end on. So again, Jen, thank you so much for sharing your perspective. We look forward to having you on again down the road. And again, thank you for your leadership and courage and vulnerability to share what's happening with you and your family. And again, wishing you great success as you make those Trips to Washington, D.C.

A (38:55)

thank you so much, Len. Thank you to your listeners. Appreciate you.

B (38:58)

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