B (12:23)

It might be hard for people to hear all this because again, there's so many things to be worried about. And this is yet another one, but with more awareness. I mean, there are so many options you have in terms of what you can do to create a more healthful environment. Now you mentioned Generations app. Yeah. I think that movie is still incredibly relevant. It's freely available on YouTube, so I'll include a link in the show notes.

A (12:46)

Our public libraries now have it in their streaming services on Kanopy and Hoopa. Perfect, Perfect. So that makes it easy to actually open this conversation with your library and say, hey, why don't we do a screening of this film for the community at our library, Right? And then maybe ask your library to get a radio frequency radiation detection meter. So some of you may know that we have an EMF or Electromagnetic fields Medical conference that was available for a couple of years for 24.5 Continuing Medical Education credits, plus the CES for nurses. Now that the accreditation period has ended, Elizabeth Kelly, who's the executive director of the conference, has put the entire conference online at no cost because there's still a major gap in that. When you go to talk to your doctor about wireless being a component of why a child might be on the autism spectrum, a lot of the doctors completely in the dark, but they can go to emfmc.2021.com so the EMF Medical Conference 2021, and you as a parent can go listen to the world's leading experts in science, medicine, law, policy. And I was brought in to talk about actions that we've done in New Hampshire and Massachusetts. But all that professional training is right there. You could schedule 20 minutes on your calendar. You could schedule an hour panel, you know, all different lengths. And Len, I can give you the link to put in the show notes. I helped Livy do a document that says what each one of the lectures are, how long each one is, who it's presented by, and then a direct link to Vimeo or YouTube. So we have everything that we need. But what I was going to say is that the Safe and Sound Pro2 radio frequency detection meter, which, Len, I think you have one of these.

A (14:46)

This was recommended at the EMF medical conference. It's third party certified, it's highly calibrated, it's about $400 with safe living Technologies. And these are engineers who are very familiar with this issue and they teach in the Building Biology Institute as well to train, to certify building biologists to become electromagnetic radiation specialists. But this meter is something that all of us can go to our libraries today and say, hey, we recognize that a lot of people aren't coming to the library anymore because they're not necessarily reading books. They may be accessing their entertainment on their devices. So libraries are reinventing themselves and most of them have established a library of Things collection. So, like, my daughter's been waiting for a power washer from her library. You can get a metal detector. At some libraries you can take out board games and tech stuff. One of the libraries next to us already has an air quality meter. So it's not a stretch to ask to put a radio frequency detection meter on loan. And it's a $400 meter. Somebody else took out like a hundred dollar meter that their library had and we put them side by side and the lesser meter was missing some of the signals. So it's really worth it if you can. If your Library says, Gee, 400 is more than we have budget for right now, go to the Environmental Health Trust, EHT or ehtrust.org and they have a page where they have made an arrangement with Safe Living Technologies and they have a grant fund. So Safe Living Technologies is giving them a discount. And on top of that they have a grant fund that will bring the price down to less than half. So if your librarian wants to contact them, it can't be you and me. It's gotta be the librarian who contacts them. When there's a will, there's a way. And then to have that tool in your community if you can't afford to buy one for yourself, that's amazing. I became the first in the nation to Put one of these on loan in my library back in 2016. And it was a hard won fight because nobody had heard about this. So it took me three grant cycles in my town to get our board of select persons, which is like our city council, to fund this. And they said, well, I wanted one for the library and I wanted one for the schools. And this was all so new to everybody, but they listened to the science and they were still just nervous about it. Said, well, we'll grant you $400 to buy one for the library if the library agrees to take it into circulation. So then I had to go and meet with the library trustees, and there were five of them. And I brought the science and I brought the medical recommendations, and I have my own meter. And I showed them. And there was one gentleman sitting there with his arms crossed the whole time, and you could see that he just had hogwash written all over his forehead. Another one said, well, I really want to take that home and see what's going on at my house. And then a third said, well, regardless of how we feel personally as a library, we are a conduit of information in the community.

A (18:07)

So let's take a vote. And they voted 4 to 1 to put one of these radio frequency detection meters on loan. So that's how back in 2016, we became the first. And others have heard me say that, and they're like, oh, I love that idea. So now, you know, there's more than a half a dozen libraries in Massachusetts that have them. And now it's going off around the country too.

B (18:28)

So, yeah, no, and you covered a lot of really key concepts there. And yes, with meters, I mean, the only way you'll ever really take action is if you are able to measure what's going on. And yes, the more you invest, usually you get a higher quality product. And that Safe and Sound Pro 2 is a great device. And actually there'll be a lot of links in the show notes. So the episode with Rob Metzinger from Safe Living Technologies will be in there. CeCe mentioned Dr. Martha Herbert. She's been on the podcast and her episode is a very powerful one called Autism is Not Hardwired. And Peter Sullivan, who produced the Generation Zap documentary, he's been on several times. So all that will be in the show notes. And I think cece, as you're talking about trying to convince schools and also as this, we're trying to reach parents to be aware and take action. You're right when you started off saying that if you just look it's easy to find all the studies and the science that is out there, but I think a big root cause that keeps parents stuck and school stuck and everyone else is that people don't want to know.

B (19:39)

There is that cliche where if you don't know about it, then you kind of can protect yourself from taking action. And I find in this space emf, it's all very inconvenient and people are very terrified of inconvenient actions. Especially since our kids are so. They've grown up and all they've known is tech. So we. What do you say to people to help them get over the hump? To actually want to know?

A (20:08)

Yeah. So I totally relate. I didn't want to know about this.

B (20:12)

Yeah, neither did I.

A (20:13)

Nobody wants to hear about this because we live with technology and we run our lives through technology. So the message is not no technology. Right. We can do amazing things with it. Let's just make a few tweaks and learn how to use it more safely. Right. So the first thing I would suggest is get a meter, if you can, hand it to your kids and do the scavenger hunt. Right. One of my friends brought me over to her office and wanted to have me do the walkthrough with my meter. And we identified where all the radiation was coming from. And her older son worked for her and within a half an hour he had pulled out all the ethernet cables that they had stuck in a box somewhere and he just hardwired it. And then all we had to do was go device by device into the settings, locate the antennas and turn them off. So then we measured again to make sure, because with 5G and the Internet of things, the industry is forecasting that we're all going to have 200 wirelessly connected devices in our homes. And that level of electropollution is just astronomical. So it's really important to measure because every electronic you buy these days, from a TV to a refrigerator, a stove, a dish, they're putting these sensors, these transmitters in everything. So it's just, you know, you'll get peace of mind once you can measure. So get a meter if you can, hand it to the kids and let them be part of this. Right. We don't want to be mom and dad shaking our fingers again, going blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but get them involved and they love doing stuff like that. So I went to my friend's house after that where her 15 year old son was, and I handed him the meter and said, okay, Soji, go do the Scavenger hunt. And he did, and he did. And we wound up on the third floor in his little man cave up there where he did his gaming. And it was completely off the charts, just blood red on the meter. And that dude just turned around, opened up the closet, pulled out everything that was wired, and within five minutes he had his man cave hardwired again with his gaming console. You know, all the controllers and stuff. Any gamer will tell you you're going to get way better signal and reliability and sustain all that. So I love that example because I went to her office, I went to her home, I spent two hours that day. And what a difference it made in their lives. So one is connect things back through with ethernet cables and adapters. And on the back of our router there's ethernet ports. So you just get a big long cable and run it to wherever you use your technology. You may already have wires run through the walls in your house, you may already have ethernet jacks in your wall walls. That's all still good in most cases. Just start plugging back in. And I know a lot of the devices have gotten really thin and there's no direct ethernet port in them, but you can buy a little 12, 20, $30 dongle for your device and plug it in. So step one is to hardwire, step two is to go in and turn off the wireless, right? So you got to hunt down the antennas, the cellular, the data, the Bluetooth, the WI fi, the locator, the hotspot, the 5G. And then the third step is to measure again, because again, I'll give you an example here in my house, once I stopped circling my tail, and I circled my tail for quite a while because I had like decked cordless phones. I had five of them all over my house. And those are like your own private little cell tower too, right? I went and I found my cord, corded mouse, my corded keyboard, my printer was already corded to my cpu. But one day I came down, you know, I ate a nice. I slept well, I had a clean organic breakfast. And I'm sitting in my home office. I'm going, why does it feel like the earth is just sucking me down again? So I pulled out my meter and I just swept it around my office and it started going crazy on my printer. And I looked at the face plate and the little glow light for WI FI was not on. But my daughter had been home over the weekend and said, mom, I need to print something. Can I just turn on the WI fi? And I said, yeah, Just make sure you turn it off when you're done. Well, neither of us knew that there were three wireless antennas in that one printer. So I figured that out by going online and looking up my printer and I found all those antennas. So they're sneaky. So you really do need to measure. But we find, and again, we don't want to over promise. And your listener knows that everybody's body is different is going to respond differently. But I'll give another example of a woman in my town. I went to her home. This was pre pandemic. She was already a telecommuter and she worked for a big corporation. So she had two of everything in her office, her own personal suite of laptop, cell phone, you know, and then she had the work issued laptop, cell phone, the wireless printer, the mouse, the keyboard, all of it. It was a screaming red zone in her office. But in just a few minutes we were able to mitigate. And then she said, hey, would you bring that meter into my son's bedroom? And I said sure. So I put the meter on the pillow and it flew into the red zone. And we're looking around going, what's in here? There was an iPad on the nightstand and a hand me down laptop on the desk. So the next morning I get a call from her and she said, I want you to know as soon as you left my house, I called my husband and said, sweetie, bring home an ethernet cable. And he did. And they realized that that iPad on the nightstand, they were only using it for, for music during the kids bedtime routine. All they had to do was put it in airplane mode. That was solved right there. So the lesson there is download all your stuff once it's on there, turn off the antennas and you can use the device without radiating yourself. And then they hardwired the laptop and turned off the antennas and she called to tell me that her little guy slept through the night for the first time in his life. I said, how old is your little guy? And she goes, two and a half.

A (26:46)

And as parents we know if the children aren't sleeping, we're all knuckle dragging, right? So for two and a half years that family really struggled. And then, you know, I got off the phone that day. This was early on in my journey. I just started sobbing because with just one hour with her, we made life changing impacts for that entire family. Then she called and left me a message two weeks later and I called her back and she said that her older son, who I think maybe it may have been like seven at the Time. These two little boys slept in this queen size bed together, right? They shared a bedroom. And she said that he was in a classroom that was a modular classroom because they had a population bubble at his grade level. So they had to put up a separate classroom. And they had not put the wireless access point in the classroom. They cleaned out the home. And she told me that this child had severe behavioral issues. And she said, now my husband and I are just looking at each other, waiting for the other shoe to drop because he was happy. He was actually, for the first time in his seven years, able to play with other children. And again, just with an hour of education, it can be so life changing. So that's my happy place. Lynn, I love being here with you today because, sure, we do work with public policy. I helped New Hampshire become the first in the nation to pass a law to investigate this issue. And they came out with a groundbreaking report called the Final Report on Commission to Study the Environmental and Health effects of evolving 5G technology. They got in there and realized it's not just 5G, it's every wireless signal on our planet. And they document the conflicts of interest with the wireless industry and the FCC and the FDA and other agencies. And then they make 15 recommendations to educate the public to label everything at eye level out in the community that is radiating to get our federal delegates back on this issue. Because industry got in there and just routed out everybody who once had expertise, expertise in this and to start protecting our environment, get building inspectors trained on this. So the New Hampshire report is like the leading document in our country. But every time we took their recommendations and tried to enact those into laws, the industry came in with their deep pockets and heavy influence and they just torpedoed our efforts. And it's. So there's no cavalry coming. We are trying to. There are important lawsuits happening. We've got one going to the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial court here on December 3rd, because Verizon put a cell tower on top of a neighborhood and it made 17 children and adults so sick. Finally, a board of health investigated in Pittsfield. After years of talking about this issue with them, the board of health deemed their homes were no longer habitable.

A (29:56)

And once again, industry tries to sue to stop the truth from coming out. So we're very grateful to the Supreme Court here in Massachusetts for taking on this case. And we're hopeful maybe this will set a precedent, maybe industry will torpedo it again. We just don't know. So it's up to us. Mom, dad, grandma, auntie, uncle, caring citizens. It's us. It's the adults that have to do this. But don't go it alone. That was my hard lesson learned in our schools. Here is, you know, back in 2018, our own government, the US National Toxicology Program, which used to be the gold standard on toxics research, they came out with a $30 million study showing clear evidence of cancerous tumors and DNA damage from cell phones. The Ramazzini Institute in Italy completed another multimillion dollar study that showed the same findings from cell towers. So again, it doesn't matter where the signals are coming from. It's all microwave radiation that's harmful. So we have the lawsuits happening. Children's Health Defense has many that they're defending around the country right now trying to stop these cell towers before they go in. There are other great works with the Environmental Health Trust, Bob Berg, Robert Berg is also stopping cell tower installations. So in the legal area, we're getting stronger and stronger. And Children's Health Defense now has their 5G consulting branch, so you can reach out to them. They've got some good resources, and you can also hire them to come help if you hear that there's a cell tower going up near you or a 5G small cell. There's nothing small about the harm. We've got great things happening in the three areas that.

A (31:43)

Martin Luther King Jr. Taught us that when important changes happen, it comes through three areas. The public finally learns and decides they just can't sit still for this. Then it goes through the courts and ultimately public policy catches up. So we have bills here in Massachusetts right now to address WI fi in schools, to form a commission like New Hampshire did to protect ourselves from these utility smart meters. So I want to say a word about that. The industry got in at the federal level, but pushed it down to our state level that we need to have this smart grid and all these smart meters for our gas, water, electric, solar, propane. And unfortunately, a lot of people get really sick when these get mounted on their homes. They can pulse this microwave radiation in. And, you know, Len, you had shared that you've done some measurements around your house. And when I sat down at the wall in my dining room where we've got two meters mounted, one for our solar system and one for our electric. Industry will say, you know, it's just a couple seconds a day, right? But my recording of it showed 17,000 times a day we were getting hit with microwaves. And so if you have a sleeping area, a child's bed or a crib or an elderly person or your Own bed on the wall. You should very seriously consider moving that. Moving your bed. Go to a different room, get as much distance from that thing as you can. Those smart meters can also mess with all of the electrical and magnetic frequencies in your home, so it can corrupt the wiring and throw a really nasty field of invisible energy six to eight feet into the living space. So a good building biologist can help you clean up that stuff. And some people have incredible turnarounds in health just by mitigating. So hardwire your stuff. Protect your sleep above all else. Because if we can't get good, clean sleep, our body doesn't have enough energy left to properly cell repair and regenerate or properly develop DNA in a child if it's having to constantly fight off this bombardment of microwave radio frequencies. So protect your sleep. Some of the things that I did when I stopped circling my tail is I replaced all those cordless phones with a hardwired handset. And I like this one that I got from Staples. I went online to some of the community boards on autism and EMF or just, you know, electrical sensitivity boards. And there's this one from AT&T, it's called the CL2909. And it's just a typical, you know, desk set, but it's got a speaker button. So if I'm working and doing a call at the same time, I can still be on my computer, but have the speaker mode. So. And it just plugs in to the phone jack. There's no electrical. It's just got battery display behind the little display panel. So for people who are electrically sensitive, you want to get something with as little electricity in it as you can. So protect your sleep, hardwire your house, and just start taking stock of what you have. You know, we know this is like drinking water out of a fire hose, right? So don't feel like you have to do it all at once, because it is so overwhelming how far technology has been embedded into our lives. So pat yourself on the back if you can do one thing. Maybe you put your cell phone in airplane mode tonight and turn off the Bluetooth and turn off the WI fi, because again, those are separate antennas. And if they say on, that's not good. If they say not connected, that also is not good, because it means it's still going. Here I am, here I am, here I am. And it's pulsing that radiation. So you want all these antennas to be on, off. The good news is everything that's on your device, you get to use without radiating yourself. So your alarm still works, your clock still works, your camera still works. Anything entertainment wise, games, music, books that you've downloaded onto your device, all that is there to enjoy. You don't want to charge stuff near where you sleep because again, those electromagnetic fields can disrupt sleep on many levels. But I also wanted to mention that I've had the privilege of collaborating with one of the world's leading scientists in Finland who's done the research on wireless radiation. And we recognize that you can't fix it if nobody knows about it. So we thought, how can we get information out quickly? So Dr. Miko Ohonen and I have an online course that can be completed in about an hour. And it's like the cost of a movie ticket, like $15 to help us pay for our overhead. But it's a great way to level set with the facts. Everybody in the family could take the course, right? And then you have some common facts to speak to. An entire school, an entire workforce could be trained on their lunch hour. And for the human resources department, you can print out a certificate of completion. There's like little quiz questions throughout. So you'll get a little certificate showing how well you did. And you can go back and repeat questions if you need. And then it also allows you to print out a handy tip sheet, hang it on the fridge, just with reminders. Not a guilt sheet, just a tip sheet. Maybe once a week, try doing something a little bit differently. And the good news is people say, cece, I didn't want to know this, I don't want to believe it, but I took your advice and I did the sleep sanctuary. And oh my gosh, I slept through the night for the first time in years. Because what the science is showing us is that the brain can't differentiate between natural daylight and this man made light energy form. And so when we leave that pulsating all night, the brain's going, hello, when's it going to get dark? So I can release melatonin, which then goes in and helps to regulate our sleep and helps to clean up the debris from everyday repair. So if we're messing with the pineal gland, which is also, I'm told, our spiritual center, that's where all of our spiritual download comes from, is through the pineal gland. So if we can protect that and protect our sleep, it really does a lot good.

B (38:31)

No, that makes perfect sense. And I have to say that's a big part, even of the coaching I provide one on one to parents, is to take those simple actions, particularly to protect the sleeping environment and I've seen case after case of these kids who aren't sleeping through the night or who maybe are, but just have really more extreme behaviors that when you actually do give them the opportunity to have more restful, quality sleep, restorative sleep, how much everything improves. So you're not exaggerating when you gave those few examples. It can make a gigantic difference and it doesn't take much. But you're right, you have to be able to measure, because some environments, like, it's crazy to me how many of the families I've had the honor of walking alongside when they take that meter and test rooms in the house, it's always the child who perhaps is on the spectrum, their sleeping environment, that's the highest levels. Most of the time they're sleeping right behind an electrical outlet, which has all kinds of issues. So it's very noteworthy. I mean, you mentioned smart meters. It's crazy how many times that smart meter is on the wall in a sleeping environment. So all those things that you mentioned earlier, I just want to echo that. This stuff really does matter. And I think the simplest way for somebody to, to really get in a position to take action is simply really understanding that this is only a cost benefit question. Right. So it's inconvenient. Yes, but you won't take action unless you really do understand the hazards. And you mentioned earlier, and I know at CHD you used as an example with the meter, you were articulating what the safe level is, and then you were sharing what the level was even in that environment. And I just want everyone who's listening to know we're not talking about a meter that says, hey, you're over, you're slightly over this threshold.

A (40:38)

We did at that conference. I had seen a gentleman with earbuds and I asked if I could measure his earbuds. And I let him know that on that Safe and Sound Pro 2, we want to be. Well, there's no safe level in the scientific literature, so we can't kid ourselves. But if we can get to 10 or less, especially in our sleeping areas, right, our homes, 10 microwatts per square meter or less would be fantastic. And when I measured those earbuds, they were at 25,000 and we wanna be at 10. When I measured the ambient room at lunchtime at the conference, we were over 600,000. And when I was standing on the stage, I think it was at least a half a million. So there are vast differences we can make with teeny tiny tweaks in how we access our technology. But I'll leave us with a really empowering note of encouragement from another one of the pediatricians, Dr. Torrell Jelter, out in Walnut Creek, California.

A (41:42)

When she has families on the spectrum in her care, one of the first things she'll do is recommend that they do the digital detox and, and have at least 12 hours at night with everything under control. No radio frequency if you can help it. And she gives the example of one of her patients. I think he was like a 10 year old little boy. And they'd only done the digital detox for a week or two. And the boy turns around to his mom and says, mom, can you please hand me the, like the scissors or something? And the mom and the child just went. Because he's been talking inside of his head forever, but nobody's heard his voice outside of his head. And so they were just astounded that that digital detox could work so quickly. And again, we never want to over promise because we know everybody's different. But wow, we can see incredible results. And why not? It's free. You don't have to do anything really. Just shut everything off for a while and see if there's a difference. But just start taking inventory of where all these exposure exposures are. The cars can be very high.

A (42:47)

So there's lots of little hacks. I do a free public education webinar every month. People are welcome to come and learn along with us. People come back time and again. They'll get the courage to try one little thing and then they'll come back and try and learn another little thing. So join us as many times as you want. Go to my events page at Massachusetts for safe technology or take the little course probably in less than an hour online and then you'll get a little certificate at the end that you can pat yourself on the back with.

B (43:19)

Perfect. Well, we will include all that in the show notes. And then you mentioned about how cars can be problematic. Also in the show notes. I had a podcast discussion with Marianne Tierney, who is your counterpart in North Carolina. I'm actually on the board of her organization safetec nc. And that whole episode talks about why a car, particularly that confined space, can be really problematic. So again, all in the interest of more awareness. And yeah, as you're thinking about what to do for yourself, for your family, for your child, yes, there are costs in terms of inconvenience, people judging you, lots of things in terms of you taking actions too hardwire and to play better defense. But the benefits, the potential benefits here are so massive. So that's where, yes, it's inconvenient, but we're not talking about a small issue for many of these kids. This is a huge stressor that's holding them back. And you mentioned at the outset about possibly it being a contributor to why a child's on the spectrum, that's absolutely a possibility. But whether exposure to EMFs is a root cause of what's going on with your child and how they got to where they are, whether that's true or not, there's no question that a root cause of why your child doesn't improve and thrive could be this constant day to day onslaught of this invisible toxin, which again, if you can measure it, you have so many options to be able to reduce that exposure. And that's what it's all about.

A (44:50)

Well, I hope we've inspired parents to find the courage to start taking these baby steps and don't do it alone. There's so much support here for you and if there's anything we can answer for you, by all means, reach out or come to one of our live programs every month. We do an active Q and A at the end and we'd be happy to take your questions there too.

B (45:11)

Fantastic. And just for everyone. Yes, there'll be a lot in the show notes, but your organization is ma4safetech.org correct?

A (45:21)

Correct. And then the other one is saferscreentime.org if you want to do the little course.

B (45:27)

Fantastic. All right. Well, Cece, thank you so much for taking the time to share all these insights. I know it might be unsettling for parents to that this might be a bigger problem than they thought. But again, you can get so equipped quickly to reduce and to take control and again, to minimize exposure to help everyone in your family thrive.

A (45:46)

It was such a gift to meet you at the CHD conference, Lyn. Thank you for inviting me.

B (45:51)

Thank you so much. Look forward to our future conversation. Your child needs you running on all cylinders now. And the fastest way to rise is with personal, personalized one on one support. Get started today. Go to elevatehowyounavigate.com.