America's leadership in global innovation depends on the critical link between federal policy and scientific funding. Cuts to research budgets, restrictions on international visas, and the rollback of diversity programs are converging to create uncertainty that threaten labs, universities, and communities that depend on them. What happens in the next budget cycle will determine whether the U.S. continues to set the pace for global discovery or risks ceding that ground to competitors eager to recruit American-trained talent.

I’m thrilled to welcome back Kate Zernike, Pulitzer Prize–winning national correspondent for The New York Times. Kate brings both personal understanding and journalistic rigor to covering science policy. Her grandfather was Nobel Prize–winning physicist Frits Zernike, and she has spent decades reporting on the politics of research and innovation. She is perhaps best known for breaking the 1999 story of MIT’s admission that it had discriminated against women on its faculty. This reporting laid the foundation for her acclaimed 2023 book The Exceptions: Nancy Hopkins, MIT, and the Fight for Women in Science.

Her distinguished career also includes a Pulitzer for explanatory reporting on Al Qaeda in 2002, underscoring her ability to connect complex issues to the human stories behind them. In this episode, we discuss her recent reporting on two pivotal articles: U.S. Scientists Warn That Trump’s Cuts Will Set Off a Brain Drain and The Surprising Scientists Hit by Trump’s DEI Cuts. She explains how uncertainty is pushing young researchers to reconsider careers in science, forcing labs to halt promising projects such as mRNA cancer research, and eroding public trust in the scientific enterprise after COVID.

She also reveals a surprising twist where many of the scientists most affected by DEI rollbacks are rural, first-generation, and conservative-leaning students who depended on those programs to access research careers. We also take on the breaking news of the federal government’s unprecedented investigation into Harvard’s patents under the Bayh-Dole Act, a move that raises profound questions about intellectual property, peer review, and the future of university–industry partnerships.

In This Episode:

[02:10] We’ll discuss Kate’s June 3rd article on Trump’s proposed funding cuts and the potential “brain drain” in U.S. science.

[04:45] The American Dream story of Nobel laureate Ardem Patapoutian and concerns from scientists at Harvard and Johns Hopkins.

[06:00] Why U.S. science relies heavily on international talent and the risks of disrupting this pipeline.

[07:23] Cultural differences and how countries like India prioritize science as a top career path compared to the U.S.

[08:23] Evidence of China, France, Germany, and others actively recruiting American-trained scientists.

[10:03] Historical perspective and the migration of rocket scientists after WWII and how talent shaped U.S. supremacy in science.

[12:22] NIH and NSF budget cuts, with biotechnology and computer science research seen as most vulnerable.

[15:30] How federal research funding connects to U.S. competitiveness and public misconceptions of science.

[18:45] Making the case for better science communication and opening up opportunities in science.

[20:35] We talk about DEI grant cuts and the impact on rural and socioeconomically diverse scientists.

[21:35] Stories of researchers like Lucas Dillard, Gabrielle Merchant, Ashley Albright, and Nicole Gross losing critical grants.

[23:50] The lingering resentment toward science post-COVID and challenges in rebuilding public trust.

[24:48] Simultaneous threats including funding cuts, talent loss, DEI program eliminations, and IP risks are compounding uncertainty.

[27:00] The taxpayer debate and making the case for return on investment from university research.

[29:20] Key message to policymakers is that sustained funding is essential to avoid halting critical discoveries.

[30:01] Cancer research and mRNA projects at risk, including prostate cancer studies being shut down.

[31:30] What gives Kate hope includes pushback from within the government, and scientists’ enduring joy, and commitment to discovery.

[32:54] Where to find Kate’s articles and book, and a call to policymakers ahead of the 2026 budget cycle!

Resources:

Kate Zernike

Kate Zernike - New York Times

Kate Zernike - LinkedIn

Exposing Discrimination in Science: The Story of Nancy Hopkins and MIT with Kate Zernike

U.S. Scientists Warn That Trump’s Cuts Will Set Off a Brain Drain

The Surprising Scientists Hit by Trump’s DEI Cuts

The Exceptions: Nancy Hopkins, MIT, and the Fight for Women in Science

Frits Zernike

Patents, Peer Review, and Policy: What Congress Needs to Understand Now with Kate Zernike

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