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B2B Revenue Rebels
Hosted by Warmly - The B2B Signal-Based Go-To-Market SaaS Platform · EN
Welcome to Season 3 of the Revenue Rebels podcast, hosted by Alan Zhao and Max Greenwald, Co-Founders of Warmly,
This season is all about mid-market sales & how to enable your team to sell into bigger accounts.
In each episode we cut through the fluff and dive deep into modern tactics used to achieve success: intent-based outreach, social selling, warm calling, customer-led sales, as well as various sales leadership topics.
On the show you can expect appearances from real practitioners, niche experts and proven thought leaders.
Our goal is to shine a light on modern, effective and unique revenue generating methods and equip you with the insights you need to unlock your next strategic advantage.
We're huge proponents of signal-based selling and signal-based, data-driven B2B go-to-market as a whole. Ask us what "Autonomous Revenue Orchestration" means and we'll be more than happy to shine a light on our vision of what the field of B2B revenue is moving towards.
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9x Presidents Club at HubSpot - James Stone, Head of Mid-Market Sales at HubSpot
Feb 13, 202500:27:48Tap to summarizeJames Stone (Head of Mid-Market Sales at HubSpot) has been with the company for 14 years, taking part in their growth from $30 Million ARR to $2.5 Billion in 2024. During this time, James has secured Presidents Club 9 times. HubSpot’s brand is best known for their inbound sales motion. Today in the mid-market sector, James mentions that 25% of their pipeline comes from their business development org, 25-30% comes from their reps proactively prospecting, and another 40-50% comes from inbound and their partner org. The partner program has been a huge focus in recent years, as having HubSpot be part of the onboarding and success process really helps mitigate churn.Tune into the full episode to hear more on how HubSpot is currently approaching their sales engine!HIGHLIGHTS:0:00 Intro3:21 How HubSpot onboards 10+ new sellers per month4:41 Identifying which reps will succeed 6:43 Where does HubSpot generate pipeline?8:21 How customer expectations have grown11:51 Get your prospects team involved17:18 How the role of data is changing19:57 Reigniting closed lost deals22:01 Uncovering the champion for change24:54 Tips on making Presidents ClubConnect with James - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesmstone/Connect with Max - https://www.linkedin.com/in/max-greenwald/Want to convert your website visitors instantly? Try Warmly for free - https://warmly.ai/
Transcribe →How to Become a Successful CRO - JD Miller, 5x Exit CRO, Author & Operating Advisor
Jan 30, 202500:29:47Tap to summarizeJD Miller (CRO, Operating Advisor, Author of The CRO's Guide to Winning in Private Equity) joined the show to help CRO’s beat the odds and stay in their roles longer than the average tenure of only 18 months.So why exactly are CRO’s getting booted so early in their journey with a new company? The easy answer would be that they aren’t hitting their revenue targets - but JD doesn’t agree. During his time as a CRO and now being on the boards of multiple companies, JD has realized that the real issue lies in board communication and realistic forecasting. The lesson here is that CRO’s need to be transparent with the board and they absolutely cannot afford to avoid giving bad news. The CRO’s who show the board what the weather's going to be are the ones who will last in their roles.JD’s experience as a CRO has shown him that the problem that organizations think they have isn’t always the reality. When he interviewed the company he joined, they were certain it was a sales issue, but after looking at the data - they were winning 35% of their deals, so the real issue at hand was lead generation. He doubled down on that and drove exceptional outcomes in the first 90 days. Tune into the full episode to learn how to become a CRO that lasts!HIGHLIGHTS:3:11 Tips on going from $3 - $10 Million4:36 Top performers aren’t always the best leaders6:48 Is the sales compensation model outdated?10:45 What skills should sellers prioritize in 2025?14:41 Why is the average CRO tenure so low? 16:45 Diagnosing the real revenue problem18:29 What makes a good CRO?19:55 “Watch one, do one, teach one”22:15 When should founders step out of sales?24:31 Learning how to let go accelerates growth27:47 Become a better CRO in 2025 Connect with JD - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jdmillerphd/Connect with Max - https://www.linkedin.com/in/max-greenwald/Want to convert your website visitors instantly? Try Warmly for free - https://warmly.ai/
Transcribe →Turning a Sales Tactic Into a 400+ Person Company - Kris Rudeegraap, Co-Founder/Co-CEO of Sendoso
Jan 14, 202500:29:41Tap to summarizeToday’s episode welcomes Kris Rudeegraap, Co-founder and Co-CEO of Sendoso, the leading Sending Platform,that helps companies stand out by giving them new ways to engage with customers throughout the buyer’s journey.A big part of Sendoso’s success is the fact that Kris built a platform based on his own domain expertise in sales. Back in 2014, he was an individual contributor who implemented strategic gifting as part of his sales strategy. He noticed exceptional outcomes tied to a very manual process and thought of building a better way.Fast forward 8+ years, Sendoso is a staple brand in the B2B tech space with 400+ employees, $152 Million Dollars secured in venture capital and no signs of stopping. Tune into the full episode to hear Kris’ journey!HIGHLIGHTS: 0:00 Intro 2:39 The Strategic Gifting method4:43 How Kris came up with Sendoso 6:25 The journey of building Sendoso10:15 How to transition out of founder-led sales14:32 Should you implement strategic gifting?20:04 Lead scoring matters23:52 You need to use all available channelsConnect with Kris - https://www.linkedin.com/in/rudeegraap/Connect with Max - https://www.linkedin.com/in/max-greenwald/Want to convert your website visitors instantly? Try Warmly for free - https://warmly.ai/
Transcribe →From Google To Founding Warmly - Max Greenwald Joins The Exceptional Sales Leader Podcast
Dec 17, 202400:57:32Tap to summarizeWe're flipping the script - today's episode has Darren Mitchell interviewing the CEO/Co-Founder of Warmly - Max Greenwald - on The Exceptional Sales Leader Podcast. Tune in to learn the journey of the Revenue Rebels host!
Transcribe →Win Competitive Deals Through Excellent Support - Areya Dargahi, Director of Mid-Market Sales at Gainsight
Dec 3, 202400:33:30Tap to summarizeAreya Dargahi leads mid-market sales at Gainsight, a Series E SaaS company that helps businesses drive efficient growth by unifying the post-sales customer journey. Areya has built out their mid-market sales team from scratch, and now his team is bringing just shy of $10 million ARR.Gainsight started off as an enterprise-only solution and then moved down to target SMB and mid-market clients. They saw that smaller companies had outgrown the tools available to them and realized there’s a huge opportunity to expand.Although from a product perspective there weren’t many strong competitors that rivaled Gainsight, their downmarket motion still required quite a bit of competitive intel and strategy to ensure that Gainsight wins those competitive deals.ls. What really helped them was setting up a slack channel where the whole team monitors their competitors and shares their insights - whether they are positioning changes, new content releases or notes from going head to head on a deal.Areya is a huge proponent of quick response times during the sales process. While features do matter, for upmarket deals there’s always a possibility that a feature gets custom built for that client, but in order to build enough mutual trust for such a big, two-sided commitment, something as simple as quick response times can work wonders when putting prospects at ease during the sales process.Tune into the full episode to learn why you should improve your sales process by taking a customer success approach!HIGHLIGHTS: 0:00 Intro 2:44 Getting to Sales and Customer Success alignment3:57 Moving from Enterprise to Mid-Market/SMB5:13 Building Gainsights competitive intelligence 7:40 The importance of quick response times11:01 Relationship vs Outcome selling12:53 Winning the deal is only half of the battle17:54 Account Executives need product expertise22:31 How to approach teaching AE’s productConnect with Areya - https://www.linkedin.com/in/areyad/Connect with Max - https://www.linkedin.com/in/max-greenwald/Want to convert your website visitors instantly? Try Warmly for free - https://warmly.ai/
Transcribe →How to Build a Mid-Market Sales Motion with Steven Wright, Director of Mid-Market Sales at Synergis
Nov 19, 202400:32:42Tap to summarizeSteve Wright leads mid-market sales at Synergis, where they help companies find and retain top talent in technology. After 25 years of primarily serving enterprise clients, Synergis saw an opportunity to expand into mid-market - and the results have been phenomenal.The magic of mid-market is that it allows you to work directly with decision makers who have strategic, tactical and contract signing abilities all in one. They have less established buying processes, which can be a huge relief if your company doesn’t yet have a fully fleshed out enterprise motion.In today's softer market, mid-market companies are still big because they don't have the internal resources to do everything in-house. While enterprise clients can often leverage existing teams, mid-market needs external support to drive transformation. This has led to Synergis's mid-market division hitting 107% of plan even as enterprise slows.For companies looking to expand into mid-market, success requires deep domain expertise and the ability to be advisory rather than just a silver-tongued seller. The best salespeople combine enterprise best practices with consultative selling skills while continuously working on their output metrics.Tune into the full episode to learn how to build and scale a successful mid-market motion!HIGHLIGHTS: 0:00 Intro 1:00 Why mid-market? 3:12 Rewriting the enterprise playbook8:08 Mid-market vs enterprise in 2024 10:31 Should you start selling into the mid-market?16:33 Small vendors winning big deals21:10 Best AI tools in 2024Connect with Steve - https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevenwwright/Connect with Max - https://www.linkedin.com/in/max-greenwald/Want to convert your website visitors instantly? Try Warmly for free - https://warmly.ai/
Transcribe →How to Master HubSpot in 2024 - Ali Schwanke, Founder of Simple Strat
Oct 24, 202400:27:58Tap to summarizeAli Schwanke (Founder @ Simple Strat) is an expert in helping companies get better and faster results through mastering HubSpot. Her company is a Diamond Solutions Partner and she’s the host of HubSpot Hacks, the #1 unofficial YouTube channel for HubSpot Tutorials.Even though HubSpot positions itself as a plug and play solution that’s easy to set up, Ali believes that the best HubSpot strategies start with a whiteboard and a chart. You need an understanding of what exactly is the purpose of your CRM and how it can best integrate with your team's existing workflows. Intent mapping has proven to be a winning tactic in 2024. With the right tech stack you can start to truly focus your sales efforts towards leads that have the highest likelihood of closing. Ali recommends identifying false signals like existing customer website visits to help make the process more efficient. Automations are a necessity, but over-automating can cause complications down the line, especially as you scale your team.Tune into the full episode to get a real lesson in RevOps and master your CRM! HIGHLIGHTS:0:00 Intro1:51 Product-market fit is a must3:41 Clearbit + HubSpot = Data Enrichment 5:31 How to build better workflows on HubSpot7:08 Orchestrations in HubSpot 9:11 First steps towards lead scoring11:50 Lead Gen vs Demand Gen 13:21 HubSpot configuration dream state16:11 Best HubSpot Hacks19:17 There is no automation silver bullet 20:52 Top 5 Don’t Do’s in HubSpot22:37 Max’s bonus Don’t Do 25:05 Top 3 HubSpot DashboardsConnect with Ali - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alischwanke/Connect with Alan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alan-j-zhao/Connect with Max - https://www.linkedin.com/in/max-greenwald/Want to convert your website visitors instantly? Try Warmly for free - https://warmly.ai/
Transcribe →Stop Losing Deals to Procurement - Mike Lander, CEO at Piscari
Oct 17, 202400:33:35Tap to summarizeMike Lander is an expert at handling procurement and helping sales teams increase their win rates in the mid-market and beyond. After years of founding companies, running consultancies and scaling teams, Mike took his experience as a buyer and started Piscari to help sellers better understand how buyers think and how to walk away from negotiations with their desired outcomes achieved. The biggest mistake a seller can make when dealing with procurement is sticking their head in the sand and expecting the deal to go through. There’s a common myth that procurement refuses to work with SME’s - and that is simply not the case, as they value the flexible and entrepreneurial approach that smaller companies bring. To win over procurement, you need to understand what they value and be proactive with your approach.One thing to always remember is that procurement aren’t the budget holders - they are the guardians of the budget, which means that their interests are aligned with mitigating risk and increasing savings. The best thing you can do is involve them early on - get added to their supplier lists, pass any checks and really introduce yourself so that you’re not starting over when the sales cycle looks to be almost finished.Tune into the full episode to learn how to handle procurement and win upmarket deals!HIGHLIGHTS:0:00 Intro 3:04 Who are procurement teams and what do they want?9:51 How to prepare for procurement 13:20 How to quantify ROI15:49 Challenge procurements thinking 20:36 Who does procurement report to?23:04 Stop wasting time on unwinnable deals 25:55 The Incumbent wins most of the time27:27 Winning in competitive bid processes30:04 Get good at RFP’sConnect with Mike - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikelander/Connect with Alan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alan-j-zhao/Connect with Max - https://www.linkedin.com/in/max-greenwald/Want to convert your website visitors instantly? Try Warmly for free - https://warmly.ai/
Transcribe →How to Transition out of Founder-Led Sales - Alex Newmann, CEO & Founder of Newmann Consulting Group
Aug 1, 202400:21:13Tap to summarizeAlex Newmann (Founder & CEO of Newmann Consulting Group) is an expert at helping founders of B2B companies (either bootstrapped or Series A funded) transition out of founder-led sales, make their first sales hires and build a scalable, repeatable sales process. In this episode, he sits down with Alan Zhao to help change the way you think about making your first sales hires and bring some light to a few strategic mistakes that lead to unsuccessful sales handoffs.When taking the leap out of founder-led sales, you don’t really need to reinvent the wheel. Alex says that no matter your GTM model - PLG, Enterprise or inbound-led - the playbook already exists and you should use it to structure 80% of your strategy. The rest revolves around your ideal client profile, sales cycle, niche and messaging. Your first hire is pretty much the most important decision you’ll make when transitioning. Hiring too early will cause a lot of inefficiency and burn out even the brightest sales hire, that’s why you need to achieve product-market fit prior to that. Same goes for hiring a sales leader before you have a sales team assembled, as their expertise won’t be super useful and you’ll be burning money. The founder should start by producing some sales wins alone, then documenting the process, establishing their ICP and dialing in their messaging. After you’ve built your preliminary sales process, make your first hire and scale further by hiring in small groups - that way they’ll have some internal competition to keep things exciting, as well as a peer group that can learn and develop together.Finding the right fit during the interview process is another strong indicator of a successful, long-term hire. Before hiring, Alex recommends first identifying the technical level of your target buyer and evaluating whether it’s possible to teach someone the ins and outs of the market within a reasonable amount of time. Then, consider your “ideal sales profile” - their industry experience, their stage fit and their personality traits.Tune into the full episode to learn how to transition out of founder-led sales! KEY INSIGHTS:02:21 Picking the right sales playbook03:15 When do you start delegating sales?06:46 Don’t bring sales leaders on too early08:11 Evaluating your first sales candidates12:19 What answers to look out for15:16 Fixing the leaky bucket of churn17:20 The optimal way to acquire sales leadersConnect with Alex - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexnewmann/Connect with Alan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alan-j-zhao/Want to convert your website visitors instantly? Try Warmly for free - https://warmly.ai/
Transcribe →Building High Conversion B2B Landing Pages - Sahil Patel, CEO of Spiralyze
Jun 21, 202400:37:39Tap to summarizeToday’s episode welcomes Sahil Patel, CEO of Spiralyze. They help companies grow by providing data-driven performance Conversion Rate Optimization (CRO) services.The point of a great landing page is to lead your potential clients to take action on your offer - whether it’s a demo, a strategy call or a free trial. Sahil mentions that while lead gen gets a bad rap on LinkedIn, it’s still part of a holistic brand strategy and exists as a necessary bridge between prospects liking your brand from afar and prospects actually talking to your team. A great landing page can hook your prospects into taking action, which can ultimately be the difference between you and your competitors getting a chance to make their case that their product is a good fit for the prospect. Sahil considers a double-digit lift in your metric of choice as mission success when optimizing your landing page. Most companies don’t see this level of improvement because their landing pages consist of a huge wall of text that’s boring, their forms are too long and they don’t actually show you the product. When asked about examples of great landing pages in SaaS, Sahil refers to Service Fusion and Record360. The strategy of showing your product on your landing page is what Sahil calls the “shiny car in the parking lot” - when you see it and you want it. A big part of becoming a shiny car is credibility. While building brand credibility happens outside of the landing page, you still have real estate within the page to place exceptional testimonials from those clients that have the biggest brand and best match your ICP. A great testimonial should have a simple message that roughly translates to: “I bought the product and it worked”:.Tune into the full episode to learn more on how to build a high performance B2B landing page.KEY INSIGHTS:02:06 Increasing your landing page conversions06:05 Examples of great landing pages08:19 The point of a landing page11:25 Differentiating intent13:27 Mapping your visitors by intent 19:02 Adding credibility to a landing page24:04 Optimizing for low-intent visitors25:25 How to measure visitor intent Connect with Sahil - https://www.linkedin.com/in/sahilanamipatel/Connect with Alan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alan-j-zhao/Want to convert your website visitors instantly? Try Warmly for free - https://warmly.ai/
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