Podcast Summary: Baby, This is Keke Palmer
Episode: Getting Messy with Bob the Drag Queen
Host: Keke Palmer
Guest: Bob the Drag Queen
Date: December 16, 2025
Overview
In this lively and candid episode, Keke Palmer sits down with Bob the Drag Queen—Peabody winner, comedian, podcast host, bestselling novelist, and Drag Race royalty. They dive into everything from polyamorous relationships and queer culture's influence on pop, to the power of maternal support, iconic celebrity feuds, and the nuances of inspiration versus appropriation. This is a fast-paced, unfiltered conversation brimming with laughter, poignant moments, and Pop Culture Realness.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
1. Upbringing & Early Connections
- Name Stories & Roots (01:27)
- Keke reveals her middle name is Keyanna, almost named Keke after her sister’s suggestion.
- Keke: “My parents thought that's too much. That's not a real name. So they named me Little Kiana Katu.”
- Where They’re From (01:52)
- Bob is from Chicago, Keke from Atlanta/Clayton County.
2. Drag Race, Legendary, and Pop Culture Crossovers
- Shared History & Legendary (02:32)
- Discuss meeting on “Legendary” and bemoan its cancellation.
- Law Roach and Drag Race's impact discussed.
- Breastfeeding Banter (03:24)
- Both delight in discussing the experience and flavor of breast milk.
- Keke: “It tastes like cereal milk.” (03:29)
- Examination of breast milk’s changing taste and its benefits.
3. Relationships & Polyamory
- Bob’s Polyamorous Life (05:50)
- Bob explains his two partners, one of whom is primary, and how boundaries define “cheating.”
- “Cheating is defined by the parameters you set for each other.” (06:14)
- On One Person “Completing” You (07:25)
- Bob: “How the hell can one person be everything to you? That's why we have friends, families, mentors, therapists.” (07:44)
- They discuss societal pressures for Black cis women to be monogamous and the rarity of public polyamory among such women.
- Famous Polyamorous Figures (08:28)
- Monique cited as famously open, with Keke noting, “People try to come for Monique, but she's living her truth.”
4. Sexual Liberation and Double Standards
- Submission as Empowerment (09:22)
- Keke and Bob unpack perceptions of sexual submission and how it’s more policed for women.
- Bob: “If Sabrina Carpenter wants to get her hair pulled, let this woman get her… if she want.”
- Madonna’s Iconic Defiance (10:11)
- Madonna releasing her own nudes to take control of her narrative.
- Bob: “She monetized it. She released her own nudes. And she still was taken serious as an artist.” (11:32)
5. Appropriation, Appreciation & Pop Culture
- Madonna, Michelle Visage, and Ballroom (13:25)
- Bob retells Michelle Visage’s story about Madonna co-opting her look from the Latex Ball.
- Deep-dive into the blurry lines between inspiration and appropriation.
- Major Celebrities & Drag Inspiration (14:52, 18:40)
- Bob openly speculates on whether Beyoncé’s houndstooth era was inspired by his own look.
- “Why couldn't I inspire Beyoncé?... Her creative director does follow me on Instagram.” (18:47)
- Credit Where It’s Due (20:34)
- Importance of acknowledging references, as seen in Sia crediting Nina West.
- Bob: “There's nothing wrong with pulling references… but what is the proper way to make sure you're not erasing?” (20:34)
- Pop Music Fandom Rivalries (24:33)
- Bob’s theory: “The only people who are actually against Beyoncé or Taylor Swift are the Swifties and the Hive. Only the Swifties are against Beyoncé. Only the Beehive is against the Swifties.” (25:27)
6. The Reality and Complexity of Counterculture
- Mainstreaming vs. Gatekeeping (23:28)
- Bob: “Some folks are gonna love it, some folks are gonna hate it. You can’t win.”
- What Happens When Pop Borrows from the Underground?
- Some view it as visibility and new opportunities, others resent the exposure or co-opting.
7. Celebrity Banter & Music Love
- Fandoms & Their Stereotypes (24:44–27:45)
- Lively, tongue-in-cheek dissection of the Beehive, Navy, Lambs, Swifties, Monsters, and Animals (Kesha fans).
- Keke: “Now the lambs will gaslight you.”
- Musical Preferences (27:30)
- Bob adores Kesha’s new independence and Mariah Carey’s pen game.
- “No one writes pop music like Mariah Carey. There's a reason why she has more number one hits than any woman.” (28:09)
8. The Traitors Experience & Grief
- Bob’s Traitors Journey, Amidst Loss (29:03)
- Bob recounts filming “The Traitors” just weeks after his mother’s death.
- “I was having panic attacks… It was really rough.” (29:03)
- Coping Through Challenge
- Immersing in the game provided temporary relief from grief.
9. Candid Reflections on Family & Confidence
- The Power of a Mother’s Love (54:06)
- Bob traces his confidence to his late mother Martha, a queer woman who owned a drag bar.
- “The love of your mother can get you to the highest of highs.” (54:06)
- “My mother would call me, minimum once a month just to pick up the phone, and she'd go, ‘I just want you to know you're funnier than Bianca Del Rio.’” (55:26)
10. Career Highlights
- Bestselling Novel & Production Company (48:41–52:55)
- Bob celebrates his novel, Harriet Tubman Live in Concert, becoming a NYT bestseller.
- “I made it on that list. I wish my mom could have been there for this.” (49:22)
- Bob shares insights into Harriet Tubman's under-recognized achievements and launches Purse First Studios for queer creators.
11. Impersonations & Playfulness
- Snatch Game Energy (56:04+)
- Bob and Keke riff on impressions of icons like Whoopi Goldberg, Barack Obama, and Alan Cumming.
- Bob: “I'm not good at impersonations. But I am obsessed with doing them.” (56:04)
12. Theater Kids as Pop Stars
- Discussion: Why Theatrical Backgrounds Breed Pop Greatness (60:21)
- List includes Nicki Minaj, Gaga, Madonna, Ariana.
- “Theater kids make the best pop stars…” (60:21)
- Love for Ice Cream & Product Placement (63:08)
- Fun tangent on branded products like Vaseline and favorite ice creams (“Ben & Jerry’s Chubby Hubby”).
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
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On Polyamory
"Cheating is defined by the parameters you set for each other."
— Bob (06:14) -
On Relationships
“How the hell can one person be everything to you? That's why we have friends, families, mentors, therapists.”
— Bob (07:44) -
On Appropriation vs. Appreciation
“There's nothing wrong with pulling references from pop culture or from subculture or from counterculture. … But what is the proper way to make sure that you're not a part of erasure?”
— Keke (20:34) -
Bob’s Mom on Confidence
“My mother believed that the sun rose when I woke up and it set when I went to sleep.”
— Bob (55:26) -
Pop Fan Rivalries
“The only people who are actually against Beyoncé or Taylor Swift are the Swifties and the Hive. Only the Swifties are against Beyoncé. Only the Beehive is against the Swifties.”
— Bob (25:27)
Important Timestamps
- Background & Name Stories: 01:27–02:03
- Legendary & Meeting Each Other: 02:32–03:04
- Breast Milk Banter: 03:24–04:34
- Polyamory & Relationships: 05:50–08:28
- Sexual Liberation: 09:22–11:32
- Ballroom, Pop Culture, and Appropriation: 13:25–23:28
- Fan Fandoms Banter: 24:33–28:09
- Traitors & Grief: 29:03–31:29
- Mother’s Influence: 53:06–55:26
- Career Highlights: 48:41–52:55
- Impersonation Game: 56:04–61:11
- Theater Kids as Pop Stars: 60:21–61:11
Tone and Vibe
The episode is fast-paced, uninhibited, playful, and deeply authentic—intertwining humor and realness. Both Keke and Bob are unafraid to get “messy” on life, love, identity, and pop culture. Their rapport is marked by mutual admiration, plenty of pop references, and genuine vulnerability.
Final Thoughts
From candor about grief, to sharp social criticism, to hilarious observations about pop diva fandoms—Keke and Bob deliver an episode that balances heart and laughs. Bob’s personal journey is a testament to the impact of maternal love, queer perseverance, and redefining what it means to make culture. And as Keke says, “Let’s be like Bob—always bold, honest, and always evolving.”