A Peek into Charity & Rachel’s Texts | Happy Hour

Summary

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Bachelor Happy Hour

Episode: "A Peek into Charity & Rachel’s Texts | Happy Hour"

Hosts: Charity Lawson & Rachel Recchia
Date: July 8, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively no-guest episode, Charity and Rachel invite listeners into a candid, intimate discussion that mirrors their private text messages. Together, they dive deep into the evolving world of reality TV, hot topics from Bachelor Nation and beyond, and reflect on issues of villainy, spoilers, accountability, social media’s impact, and representation in reality television. The episode closes with a playful reality TV quotes game and a heavy dose of nostalgia for past icons.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Art of the Reality TV Villain

Time: 04:11–09:54

• Rachel and Charity discuss Joe Mobley’s claim he’d become a reality TV villain for $500k.
  • Charity: "That doesn't seem like that would be worth it for me personally." (04:46)
• They lament the decline of iconic reality TV villains in the social media age.
  • Charity: “It’s so, so hard for people to be organically themselves, even if it is...a bad side of themselves because they are afraid of just how the Internet might destroy them.” (05:34)
• Social media makes “cancel culture” omnipresent and impacts contestants' willingness to be truly themselves.
• Examples of missed “villain energy”: Corinne from The Bachelor, New York and Nene Leakes from other franchises.
  • Rachel: “You could never recreate New York.” (09:03)

2. Hot Topics in Bachelor Nation & Reality TV

Time: 09:54–10:48

Chronic Illness & Medical Gaslighting

• Rachel highlights Bailey Brown’s vulnerability, sharing her experience being dismissed by doctors.
  • Rachel: “I appreciate her so much for bringing this to the Internet...this is huge.” (09:56)
• Charity reflects on how women especially struggle to be heard in medical settings.
  • Charity: “It is very hard for women to be heard and to feel seen in a doctor’s office.” (11:00)
• Both praise Bailey’s advocacy and openness.

3. The "Summer House" Scandal & Audio Leak

Time: 16:07–20:23

• Discussion of the recent "Summer House" leaked audio and the consequences of off-camera scandals becoming public.
  • Charity: “Once something leaves like, production or leaves a set, it becomes a beast of its own...now it’s in the hands of millions and without full context.” (16:27)
• Rachel notes Bravo’s skill at turning scandal into audience engagement.
  • Rachel: “Bravo does such a good job at all press is good press...they take scandal and they turn it into...a moment.” (18:17)

4. Spoilers & Impact on Viewing

Time: 20:23–25:18

• Charity dislikes spoilers, feeling they ruin the experience.
  • Charity: “It ruins the experience. It ruins it.” (20:29)
• Rachel admits to sometimes seeking out spoilers—especially after being on the shows.
  • Rachel: “Since I’ve gone on one, I want to know the spoilers. I always want to know.” (20:40)
• Charity argues that in Bachelor Nation, spoilers do more harm than good, possibly reducing the show’s audience.
  • Charity: “It doesn't do us good because we have a very specific, unique process.” (22:12)
• They agree that “spoiler sleuthing” (fans analyzing backgrounds, etc.) is fun, but full spoilers deflate suspense.

5. Reunion Accountability: Watching Yourself Back

Time: 25:18–30:59

• Discussion of “Summer House” castmates Amanda and Wes, who didn’t watch their season before the reunion.
  • Charity: “I think it's crazy to show up to a reunion and...act oblivious to your specific actions, which is what we're all discussing.” (26:06)
• Both agree that watching back your season is part of owning your story and job as a reality TV personality.
  • Rachel: “For me, it's my job to show [up to the] reunion and know what's happening.” (28:31)
• Critique Amanda and Wes for dodging accountability.
  • Charity: “To not watch it back...that was a little, like, appalling to me. I'm not gonna lie.” (28:17)
• Standout moment: lack of accountability equated to “sacrificing your career for a dusty man—I could never.” (29:44)

6. Reality TV Quotes Game

Time: 33:45–39:44

• The hosts try to identify famous reality TV quotes/scenes. Highlights include:
  • Corinne (The Bachelor): “My heart is gold, but my vagine is platinum.” (34:35)
  • Housewives’ classics, RuPaul, and The Hills ("Lauren didn’t go to Paris").
• The game triggers a wave of nostalgia and recognition that, while they’re fans, not all quotes are easy to place!

7. Reality TV Nostalgia & Favorite Icons

Time: 39:44–41:21

• Yearning for the return of iconic personalities like Nene Leakes to reality TV, hypothesizing how the landscape has shifted since certain stars have left.
  • Charity: “It would actually...there’s nothing else I would want to do in my life than to be a Traitor with Nene.” (40:09)
• Discussion of reality stars on “The Traitors” and how Housewives are always quick targets.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Charity (on reality TV villains):
  “It’s almost like, oh, you kind of go in this hall of fame. You’re legendary. However...it’s hard for you to convince people to change their perception about you.” (04:21)

• Rachel (on spoilers):
  "I used to be so conscious of avoiding spoilers for reality TV shows, but I think since I've gone on one, I want to know the spoilers. I always want to know. Yes, I do, secretly." (20:40)

• Charity (on reunion accountability):
  "You made your bed, you lay in it. Now you need to show up and make the sheets." (27:28)

• Rachel (on reality TV as a job):
  "Watching myself back on my Bachelorette season was horrific...but for me, it's my job to show reunion and know what's happening." (28:31)

• Charity (on “Summer House” cast’s lack of accountability):
  "...to sacrifice your career for, I don't know, a dusty man. I could never." (29:44)

• Charity and Rachel (on iconic villains):
  "New York needs to be. Where is she?" (08:25)
  "She invented being a villain on tv." (08:32)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Topic/Section | Timestamp | |---------------------------------------------|-------------------| | Start of real episode (skip ads) | 03:25 | | Peek into messages, reality TV villain chat | 03:48 – 09:54 | | Bailey Brown & chronic illness advocacy | 09:54 – 10:48 | | Summer House audio leak discussion | 16:07 – 20:23 | | Reality TV spoilers & their impact | 20:23 – 25:18 | | Accountability & watching yourself back | 25:18 – 30:59 | | Reality TV quotes game | 33:45 – 39:44 | | Nostalgia for reality TV icons | 39:44 – 41:21 |

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Tone & Style

The episode is energetic, conversational, and peppered with humor and pop culture references. Rachel and Charity’s dynamic resembles friends gossiping, alternating between thoughtful takes on serious industry topics and playful reality TV fandom.

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Summary for New Listeners

In this episode, you get an authentic look into the minds of Bachelor Nation’s favorite Bachelorettes as they dissect the evolving landscape of reality TV—exploring how social media, spoilers, and shifting cultural attitudes have transformed villainy, accountability, and the viewing experience. Whether reflecting on the need for real, flawed contestants, advocating for medical self-advocacy, or playing a nostalgia-fueled game, Charity and Rachel offer both behind-the-scenes insight and plenty of laughs.

Transcript

[Charity]

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[Charity]

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[Charity]

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[Rachel]

Hello, everyone, and welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Rachel.

[Charity]

And I'm Charity. And we are back with an episode. Episode.

[Rachel]

A no guest episode.

[Reef and Facetune Promoter]

Which are usually my favorite.

[Charity]

Yeah. Because we can just talk kind of however we want to. I mean, we do that anyway, but, like, it's like real girl chat, you know?

[Rachel]

Because I think I would, in a way, love for people to see our messages to each other.

[Reef and Facetune Promoter]

And this feels like a little peek into that.

[Charity]

I mean, how much would we sell our text messages for?

[Rachel]

And speaking of selling text messages. Yeah. We have some hot topics to talk about today.

[Reef and Facetune Promoter]

But at first, in our headlights, Joe

[Rachel]

Mobley reveals how much he'd sell his soul for to become a reality TV villain.

[Charity]

Which is crazy, because I'm like, it's priceless. You know what I mean? Like, well, not prices. It's a hefty price tag on it. Because I'm like, I feel like reality TV villain comes with very dangerous territory. There is, like, pros to it because, like, it's almost like, oh, you kind of go in this, like, hall of fame. You're legendary. However, I feel like when you're in the heat of it, whether that's when your show is airing or not, you're gonna always get like. You know, there's just, like, it's hard for people to. It's hard for you to convince people to change their perception about you. And so he said 500 grand. And I'm like, that's it. And that's exactly what Serena said. I'm like, that doesn't seem like that would be worth it for me personally.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

No.

[Rachel]

And I have a question for you, Charity. Do you think we have lost the art of a reality TV villain due

[Reef and Facetune Promoter]

to, like, social media?

[Rachel]

Because I feel like we used to have some iconic villains that people love. Yes.

[Charity]

Oh, yes, absolutely. And I'm like, that's where I'm like, bring these people back. Casting department. That is like, the primary focus that you guys need to be going into these meetings with looking for is for someone who is just unapologetically themselves, good or bad, like, in all ways. I personally feel like that does not exist anymore. And it is because it's because of social media. It's so, so hard for people to be organically themselves, even if it is, like I said, a bad side of themselves because they are afraid of just how the Internet might destroy them. And that's sad because I'm like, that also is another, like, side of the coin that is, like, a bigger discussion of how people conduct themselves on social media. It's like two parasocial people are two invested. It's a TV show at the end of the day. You know what I mean?

[Rachel]

Yes.

[Charity]

Like, it should never be that deep, but it is. So I'm like, how do we fix this? Like, how do we go about getting the OG reality TV back on our screens?

[Rachel]

Yes. Because I think of, like, even the lovable villains like Corinne from the Bachelor or like Parvati Shallow from the Survivor Series. They were so fun to watch, and they didn't have to deal with what people deal with now, which is basically forfeiting anything you want after the show. Like, your chances of getting asked on another show, your brand deals, like, are you up to date with any of the summer house drama that's happening?

[Charity]

Yes. If you're referring to everything that happened. Yeah, obviously. The reunion, before the reunion. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rachel]

Which is crazy. And I feel like west and Amanda lost not only all their brand deals, but they lost going into next season. And for me, I was like, okay, what they did was horrible, but I did want to see everyone back in the house again. And it feels like because of social media, we're losing seeing those, like, villains which make a TV show in a way. Not saying with Wes and Amanda did was right because it was so wrong. We could get into that too, but I miss watching an unlikable person on tv. I haven't Seen it.

[Charity]

Well, see, that's the thing. And I also feel like kind of going off of, like, okay, them not being asked back for, like, next season or however it went down. I truly don't even know. I just know they're not coming back. But part of me is like, are they not coming back because they. Like, I know Wes got fired. I believe, like, he's. He was not asked back, but, like, I wonder, was Amanda ass back? And she's just like, I don't want to do it because she doesn't want to face, like, her actions. And to me, I'm like, that also is, like, a part of the conversation because

[Unknown Male Announcer]

you.

[Charity]

You made the bed. Let's lie in it, baby. Let's lie in it.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

You know what I mean?

[Charity]

It's like, don't run now. Like.

[Rachel]

And I.

[Charity]

Right, you stepped into the role of villain. Own it.

[Rachel]

Wear it.

[Charity]

Let's see it. And I'm like, these people, they're not really about it, you know? And it's like, we need somebody, like, New York. New York needs to be. Where is she?

[Rachel]

I was going to ask, who is your favorite villain?

[Charity]

And where is your.

[Rachel]

Probably. She invented being a villain on tv.

[Charity]

Invented reality.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

Her.

[Charity]

And I mean, Nini is not even a villain, but I'm like, her and Nini are in my purse, like,

[Rachel]

for sure. And Corinne, like, I know we keep going back to her, but I know she's done House of Villains. And I'm trying to think back to a bachelor villain that was, like, hilarious. Like, she was talking about Abraham Lincoln taking naps and her nanny.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

Like, we.

[Rachel]

We need that back. And work. You could never recreate New York. But you can't.

[Charity]

Like, you cannot. But I'm like, I don't. I genuinely don't think. Well, actually, no, they do exist. They're out there. It's just like, are they seeking to go on reality TV or are people, like, just not scouting correctly? And I'm like, this is why I'm like, I want to have the job of a casting producer because I just. It's almost like I'm in alignment in some weird way. Like, I'm not them, but I can see them. You know, I could find in a crowd and be like, this girl.

[Rachel]

You can find a villainous person.

[Charity]

Yes. Oh, easily. I know who. I know who's right and who's wrong.

[Rachel]

Yes, you actually do. You really do.

[Charity]

But, yeah, to just speak on Joe, I just think 500 grand is a little cheap. So I'm with Serena on that one. That's it up your price?

[Mandy Woodruff Santos]

Yeah.

[Rachel]

Next topic, we have a little bit more serious, and I actually, I. I want to talk about this one. This is Bailey Brown, and she's talking about getting dismissed by her doctors for her chronic pain. I appreciate her so much for bringing this to the Internet. And every contestant who brings something that's really vulnerable, especially in the medical field, because I think so many people can relate to things, and we just don't talk about it. And, I mean, this is huge. She said that she's been to many doctors with chronic illness. I think she was talking about being diagnosed with an early autoimmune disease, which is.

[Charity]

Yeah.

[Rachel]

So broad. Right. Like, there's so many different things, and I feel like it's so easy to be brushed off. And her bringing attention to this is huge. And I'm happy she's finally getting the care that she needs for that.

[Charity]

No, honestly. And I'm like. I think about just how many people I've had conversations with separately about going to the doctor or just health care in general.

[Rachel]

And.

[Charity]

And it's so hard. And I'm not even trying to put, like, a gender on this, but it is very hard for women to, like, be heard and to feel seen in a doctor's office. It's very scary. Truly, very scary, because I feel like, I don't know, you can have this outwardly. And she mentions this, like, having this outwardly appearance of, like, you're fine. Oh, my gosh, you are so healthy. You look great. And it's like, a lot of these things are, like. I don't want to say, like, silent, but they are, like. It's like, I feel this.

[Rachel]

It.

[Charity]

You don't.

[Rachel]

You.

[Charity]

It wouldn't manifest or it wouldn't show up in this way, but, like, I know, like, I'm trying to be, you know, in tune with my body and listen to my body and advocate for it in the way that it best should be advocated for, but no one's hearing me. And it's like this fight that a lot of people go through time and time again until they either give up and then something bad happens, God forbid, or. Or it takes, you know, endless doctor bills and fees to finally find or come across a physician who's willing to listen to you, which is why I'm like. I also love that she mentioned going to, like, a functional health doctor because I'm like, I'm. I'm in a space where I, like, love both. I'm like, I love traditional medicine, but then also functional health because I'm like, they look at it from a holistic standpoint. It's not just like, oh, this is like the primary symptom. That's it. It's like, oh, what's your diet looking like? What's your, you know, lifestyle looking like, what's happening here? And it's like, all these things work interchangeably with each other and if they're not working well and we're, we're only looking at one singular issue, then we're not ever really addressing, like, the root of the issue. So I'm so happy she spoke out about this because I'm like, this is literally what I feel like a lot of us deal with and go through, but sometimes just feel like hopeless because we're like, oh, like, if it's not working, then what, what do I do? Or like, how do I go about this? So thank you, Bailey. Obviously wishing you so much wellness in your health and your health journey. But we are just proud of you for, like, having the courage to, like, open up and talk about this. I know that that's probably the most challenging thing, but hopefully you are getting the answers and well on your way to just being a healed human being.

[Rachel]

Yes, I love that.

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[Charity]

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[Rachel]

all right, now that we're off the hot topic, should we talk about some other things happening in reality TV culture? One I would love to get your opinion on.

[Charity]

Come on.

[Rachel]

I know this happened a couple weeks ago, but just going into the craziness of reality TV and how it leaks to into everyday life, we need to talk about the Summer House audio leak. Coming from someone who has been on a reality, like on a reality show and a viewer. What do you think about that?

[Charity]

I think it's crazy. I think it's insane, if I'm being honest. And I know I'm saying, like, buzzwords right now. Insane. Crazy. But, like, that's all I could truly sum up what this was. And when I first came across it, I was like, huh? Like, this happened. Like this was able to be even hap. Like, you know, it just blew my mind because I really do feel like once something in reality TV world, once something leaves like, production or leaves a set, it becomes a beast of its own. And especially as we know it, like, with social media and with like, online culture, it's now in the hands of millions and without full context, obviously we saw a leak. So that's like not the whole thing, but, like, you have a portion of whatever was being discussed at the time and now it's. There's no context around, like, you know, it's just. It's just crazy context or not. But I'm like, I feel like that's so important for, like, things to be understood properly and, like, you know, correctly.

[Dietz and Watson Advertiser]

And.

[Charity]

And I'm just like Gatsby, honestly. Because when I heard it, I was like, I mean, I'm like everybody else at this point. I'm like, I'm not even like, taking into account, like, oh, like, well, this could have happened. This. It's like, it's just mouth like, your jaws dry. You're like, what? Like, this is happening. This is going on. Who did it? Like, you know, we're running to, like, make accusations or assumptions about, like, oh, so. And so did it because he's upset, and it's just. It becomes just out of hand. And I think that's what can be very dangerous when something like this happens in the reality TV space. It's. It's just a tricky situation, truly. And I'm like, I don't know how they. First of all, how did they find out who, like, who did it?

[Rachel]

Well, I do know that Andy said that Jennifer Lawrence, who's a huge Bravo fan and also so is Rihanna, but Jennifer Lawrence had a hand in figuring this out. I think she just decided that she wanted to become a detective on top of being an Oscar, you know, nominated winning actress. But I also have a question for you, because this is Bravo, and I think Bravo does such a good job at all. Press is good press, in a way of. Everyone on earth was talking about this audio leak. I was excited to watch the reunion. They take Scandal and they turn it into, like, something that people want to see. A moment.

[Charity]

Yeah.

[Rachel]

And they do it well.

[Charity]

Yeah.

[Rachel]

Scandal. So many things.

[Charity]

Yeah. Which is. I'm like, do we take notes?

[Mandy Woodruff Santos]

I don't know.

[Charity]

But I. I agree with you and I. I find that so fascinating. But I think that's also very telling about, I don't know, maybe their fan base too, of just how they digest news. I think that's a big, like, again, there's so many different parts, but everyone has a role equally. And how that's able to be something, I don't want to say successful, but like a Scandal turning into, like a iconic pop culture moment. That's crazy saying that in one sentence, but that's exactly what happens. And like you said, this audio leak, like, went everywhere, like, everywhere. Everybody was talking about it, everybody had eyes on it. Everyone probably listened to it, who probably didn't even watch the show. So it's like.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Charity]

I mean, it could be Good, if it's managed and circulated correctly. But it also could be bad. And I feel like they obviously made it work because it. This whole reunion, the whole summer house scandal became something far greater than what I think probably they even imagined. But, like, hey, yes. Good press, bad press, presses, press.

[Rachel]

And that's also what I wanted to ask is, what are your thoughts on spoilers?

[Charity]

Oh, I don't. I don't. I don't like them. I don't like them. I think it ruins it. Ruins the experience. It ruins it. Yeah.

[Rachel]

I used to be so conscious of avoiding spoilers for reality TV shows, but I think since I've gone on one, I want to know the spoilers. I always want to know. Yes, I do, secretly.

[Charity]

See, but, like, is that because you're actively watching the show or you're not? I only want to know the spoilers. If I'm like, I know I can't be dedicated to watching this show, so, like, tell me now. But. But if I am someone who is a viewer and I'm like, this is my show. I'm clocked in every Wednesday night at this time, it's like, don't tell me anything about it because otherwise it's going to mess with, naturally, my psyche of, like, what I think, this scenario, how it played out. Because we, at the end of the day, we know we don't see everything, you know, so it's like I'm wondering what's missing, what's not. So I do think that there's a world where it can be beneficial, But I do, personally, for me, I'm like, no, if I'm watching a show, keep them away. Keep them away from.

[Rachel]

Do you think in the Bachelor world spoilers are benefiting us in the way it's benefiting Bravo.

[Charity]

No, I think it's. If anything, I think it's making it more like, it damages the experience. It damages the viewing process of it all. And almost, in a way, I feel. Feel like it leads to less eyes on the actual segment itself because I feel like if people did not know, like, say, you hear, okay, so and so is the lead, whether I'm invested or not. Naturally you're going to be like, how does this play out? That's just natural. But, like, if I have an understanding or an inkling of, like, it might be him. I don't know. We'll see to the end, maybe. But there's a possibility that percentage now goes down of, like, do I want to watch till the end to figure this out, or do I just Want to come back for when the last episode is on to see if I was right or if this spoiler was right. So I do feel like, in a way, it's a disservice specifically to our franchise because, yeah, people watch the R process in specifics for how everything plays out. How does this date work to where she ends up sending this guy home or she doesn't no longer like him, or there's a stronger connection that's building here. But, like, when people know, it's like all, you know, it's like all bets are off. Why. Why should I watch? You know? And I feel like that's. It doesn't do us good because we have a very specific, unique process. It's not like. It's just, okay, we're filming a day in the life reality TV show where we are showing all types of, you know, over the course of a summer. And it's just, you know, different relationships, all these things manifesting at the same time. It's very different. It's like. Like a little rigid, but, like, it's meant to be that way for the sake of the show.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Charity]

Yeah. I don't. I do think spoilers hurt us because. Yeah, when people know, they don't care as much.

[Rachel]

What do you think about. This is so, like, I feel like, niche to being a lead. I think some bachelor fans, they like trying to guess who we're with, and they do that by, like, looking at backgrounds of our stories and comparing where are they? Where are we? What do you think about that? Do you think that's fun or do you think that ruins it as well?

[Charity]

I think that's fun. I think that's where, again, there is. The viewers now have a little bit not stakes, but, like, they're more involved on their own in. In the process of, like, trying to, like, again, predict the outcome. They. They don't have anything that's factual or that's guaranteed without a spoiler. But, like, if they have a spoiler and say if the spoiler is right or wrong, they now your brain, again, it just. You naturally are skewed a certain direction. So, like, without that existing at all, it's like, oh, okay, charity season ended. Who is she with? They're looking at everything. There's eyes on everything, you know, but when it's like every. Exactly like you said, like, backgrounds, like, oh, my gosh, she's wearing a certain color T shirt and that's so and so's favorite. Like, it sounds crazy, but that's really what happens. Like, that's so. There's so much involved. But, yes, again, if I knew, like, oh, Rachel picked so and so. Okay, now I'm now gonna look at everything that's related to him, and it just. It, you know, it just takes away. So I do feel like I like the game of, like, trying to figure out, like, who is the person at the end. But if I know, I really. I'm like, okay, I'm. I'm checked out at this point. Like, okay, wish you best of luck. I'm. I'm looking for Yalls first vacation on the boat. Like, that's all I care about that point. Like, I don't care about anything else.

[Rachel]

No, I love it. It is fun. And, I mean, we're going. We're talking about the cross into, like, reality in the world. And I think the summer house reunion is obviously over, but there's been a lot of aftermath about it. What are your thoughts? I don't know if you fully watched it. They filmed their reunion after you, you know, the summer. Obviously, it was kind of recent, so there is a lot of discourse still happening around the summer house reunion. And Amanda and Wes showed up, and a lot of times when they were asked a question, they were saying they couldn't recall because they didn't watch the season back. As someone who has been on reality TV and also consumes reality tv, did you watch your season back? Do you think that that's fair that they didn't watch

[Charity]

in this specific situation? No, I don't think it's fair because I think it's crazy to show up to a reunion and one act oblivious to your specific actions, which is what we're all discussing and how everything played out, and you're acting like you have no idea.

[Rachel]

1.

[Charity]

Okay, how factual is that? Sure, you may not remember, but, like, watch the season back so you can be on the same page as the rest of us. This is what we're discussing. These is what. These are the scenes that. Is it specifically crazy to watch back in real time or not in real time, but, like, to take yourself back to that time and be like, oh, my gosh, I had no idea that this was happening. Like, I'm referencing the scene where. Oh, my gosh. Where she, like, goes up to Wes and she's like, oh, watch me walk away. Like, watch her walk away. And she's in a swimsuit, and, like, she sits down. Like, how my husband's the best, like, DJ in the Hamptons. And, like, Wes is playing.

[Rachel]

Like.

[Charity]

Like, it's all these Little things that I'm like, you're joking. Like, you're actually joking. So in that situation, specifically with them, I feel like, yes, they sh. They should have watched their season back. It's one thing if they did not have to come to the reunion.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

Do.

[Charity]

Do what you will. Like, you know what I mean? At that point, you're no longer on the show. We don't. We don't have to discuss it anymore. Go live your life.

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[Charity]

You made your bed, lay in it. But it's like, you made your bed, you lay in it. Now you need to show up and make the sheets. Okay. You know what I mean? So it's like, yes, that's what you need to do. And they both owed it to not themselves, but the rest of their cast members. And the fact that they could not do that and did not do that, that was a little, like, appalling to me. I'm not gonna lie. Because I did watch my season back, and I watched my season back for that reason, not just for myself to be like, okay, how did this all, like, come to me? But for my fiance, in the event that he has any questions or anything that I need to clarify, but also for the sake that, okay, the viewers are watching this too, if they have something that they are speaking on, I need to be able to give, like, maybe as much as I could, appropriate context or whatever. But again, I didn't find myself in a situation like this. I feel like theirs is way more severe, that they don't really have an option in this situation. Yeah, I'm curious. Would you say the same?

[Rachel]

And you know what? It's so funny because especially when I filmed my Netflix show, there was so many people on my cast, and they're

[Charity]

like, oh, I don't watch.

[Rachel]

And in that case, I'm like, okay, we didn't have a reunion. But as for, like, the shows where you have to show up and take accountability, I had to watch my Bachelorette season back, and I did that because in my mind, this is my job, right? To show up and know what everyone is talking about and knowing what I did wrong as well. Because watching myself back on my Bachelorette season was horrific. And I learned so much by watching that back. And also, my season had a horrible ending. I had to watch myself fall in love knowing that I was alone. It was so hard to watch back. But for me, it's my job to show reunion and know what's happening. So I can't comprehend this. I don't watch, like, I don't Either.

[Charity]

I don't get it.

[Rachel]

I've had to watch hard things, like, just watch it back and learn something

[Charity]

in a way I don't get. I think this is their way, especially Amanda's way of, like, Well, I mean, Amanda and Wes, I'm gonna say both of them like to escape accountability, and it's as simple as that. It's like, oh. The easiest thing to say is like, well, I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't see it, but it's like, baby, you didn't have to see it. You did it. You lived it. Like, you didn't have to. But like, you. Like I said, this is your job.

[Rachel]

You.

[Charity]

You knew you had a reunion to not watch it back and to come onto this couch and to try to at least, like, I mean, there, in my opinion, I didn't. I didn't sense any, like, lack. Not lack. I didn't sense any empathy or, like, her being apologetic for anything. I personally did not get that sense from her. I could be wrong, but, hey, I would have been on my hands and knees if I was truly sorry. You know what I mean? Like, I am so sorry, but, like, I didn't get that from them. So maybe that's her way of taking the easier way out. But like I said, I think all this at the end of the day bites them both in the butt. And now they're without jobs and, I don't know, like, to sacrifice your career for, I don't know, a dusty man. I could never.

[Rachel]

And I think the part that got to me the most is when she was like. In regards to what? He's like, do you. Do you want to apologize? In regards to what?

[Charity]

No, it's. It's really crazy. Like, and that's. I'm like. To me, I'm like, I don't buy that. Like, I don't give excuses a lot for people. I mean, I do sometimes, when necessary, but in that situation, that's not the right answer. Like, what do you mean? In regards to what? You know exactly what we're talking about. Like, and Sierra did a magnificent job. So that's all I have to say on that.

[Rachel]

Sierra Miller on top.

[Charity]

Hello. Always and forever. Yes, Always and forever. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.

[Rachel]

Absolutely.

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[Charity]

okay, I feel like

[Rachel]

let's get into a game.

[Charity]

We love a game as always. And so with us discussing reality tv, all the ins and outs behind the scenes. We are going to be testing each other on famous quotes from reality TV shows and have to guess which show. Which is crazy because I'M like, I know some, but I'm like, my brain is going to fail me right now, but it's okay.

[Rachel]

Our producer is going to read the quotes to us, and we're going to try to guess either the show or the person who said this iconic reality TV line.

[Charity]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

All right, so let's start things off. We're going to start things off pretty easy, and you guys are going to jump in whenever you think you know the answer, and we'll give you a point, and if you can also say who said it, we'll give you an extra point.

[Charity]

Are you ready?

[Rachel]

Okay.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

Okay, first one. My heart is gold, but my vagine is platinum.

[Charity]

Bachelor.

[Rachel]

Corinne.

[Charity]

Corinne.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

There we go.

[Rachel]

She is one of my favorite villains of all time. Hello.

[Charity]

No, she's iconic. She's crazy.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

Okay.

[Rachel]

Abraham Lincoln took n true.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

All right, the next one is. Who gonna check me? Boo.

[Charity]

Real Housewives of Atlanta.

[Rachel]

There we go.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

Do we have.

[Charity]

Do we have the person Charay.

[Rachel]

There we go.

[Charity]

She bash your race. Summer, Spring. Summer joggers. Hello.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

All right, this next one, hopefully you guys know it. We just talked about stuff, but it's not about the pasta.

[Rachel]

Vanderpump rules. James and Lala, right?

[Charity]

Was that at the reunion?

[Unknown Male Announcer]

No, it was on the street. It was James Kennedy own. James Kennedy, he was talking to. I think he was talking to Lala. Yes.

[Rachel]

And it's, like, debated what the pasta means to this day. We'll never know, right?

[Charity]

Oh, we'll never know.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

All right, so the next one is, if you can't love yourself, how in the hell are you gonna love somebody else?

[Charity]

I'm like, I. Why am I blanking? I know. I know this, but I'm like. I'm blanking so bad. I genuinely know this, but I'm, like, scared because I'm like, I don't even think I'm gonna have it.

[Rachel]

Right. Is it Bachelor?

[Unknown Male Announcer]

It's not.

[Rachel]

I don't know.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

Do you want the answer? Are we tapping out?

[Mandy Woodruff Santos]

Yeah.

[Charity]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

RuPaul from RuPaul's Drag Race. That's what he says at the end of every episode.

[Charity]

And I knew that. I'm saying I'm like. I've heard it so much that I'm like, where is this from?

[Unknown Male Announcer]

But.

[Charity]

Okay, that's.

[Rachel]

I'm ashamed at that one.

[Charity]

Saying, I'm so sorry.

[Rachel]

Oh, my gosh.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

The next one is New York is in the house.

[Charity]

Hello,

[Rachel]

New York.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

Right from.

[Charity]

No, Is it.

[Mandy Woodruff Santos]

It's not.

[Charity]

I was gonna say, is it flavor of Love or House of Villains.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

It's. I love New York, babe. She had her out.

[Charity]

We're done.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

She did.

[Rachel]

We are done. We are done. I thought we would be way better than this.

[Charity]

No, I know. I was like, oh, Rachel's gonna take over. Good job.

[Rachel]

I did one of New York's quotes at the Bachelorette reunion upstairs by myself when she was like, I'm still in the house. Because I was still in. I was still in the house.

[Charity]

Unfortunately for everyone, I'm still in the house. Hello. Say it fully.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

The next one is expect the unexpected. This show's actually coming up soon.

[Charity]

Coming up.

[Rachel]

Survivor.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

It's actually Big Brother and it's Julie Chen Moonbez, the host.

[Rachel]

I don't watch Big Brother, so.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

I see.

[Charity]

Yeah.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

Oh, my. You're missing out on culture, but that's okay. All right, now we have mention it all.

[Rachel]

Bethany Frankel.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

Yes. Real Housewives of New York.

[Rachel]

Yes.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

All right, here's one. Here's a throwback. Lauren didn't go to Paris.

[Charity]

The Hills.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

The hills. That's right.

[Charity]

I'm like, who said. Who said it, though?

[Unknown Male Announcer]

It was Lisa Love. Shout out.

[Charity]

Amazing.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

All right, and then let's do two more.

[Rachel]

All right.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

This one not. Well, who said this?

[Rachel]

It's got to be a housewife.

[Charity]

I know.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

Yes. We're getting warmer.

[Charity]

It's housewife.

[Rachel]

Like, I don't know.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

We need to open the schools.

[Charity]

This.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

We need to open the schools. This is Dorinda Medley, Real Housewives of New York. It's a really. There's a lot of memes. It's a great meme. All right, and the last one we're going to do.

[Charity]

We need to open the schools.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

We need to open the schools. Rot in hell are my personal friend Britney.

[Rachel]

I have a sweatshirt that says rotten heel.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

Great job, guys. I think we're. Honestly, I think we're pretty tied up. So congrats. We'll get you some reality TV education here later. But amazing. You at the show.

[Charity]

Amazing. Okay, so clearly I need to do some more. I just need to go back and rewatch all, like, reality TV iconic. Just start to finish.

[Rachel]

I just was like, we were going to be better at that.

[Charity]

I know, but the thing is, is, like, I know a show. I just like. I'm like, well. Or I know, like one or the other. But I'm like, but if I feel like if I know a person, I should know the show. But anyway, that's neither here nor there. That was fun. I do like that. I'm going to go rewatch the Hills now. Because I need to feel some, like, nostalgic energy in my life and. Huh. Yeah.

[Rachel]

I need to go back and watch all the Housewives as well. I've been in a very Housewives mood. Mood.

[Charity]

Yeah.

[Rachel]

The ocean.

[Charity]

Can this be our petition? If Nene ever listens to this, I need her back on my screen because I feel like that's when everything went wrong in the world. It's when she was no longer a part of the cast.

[Rachel]

You know, I think that's when we jumped timelines and got into whatever we're in right now.

[Charity]

Thank you for acknowledging that, because I'm.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Charity]

Pre. Oh, her on Traders. Would. It would trans. Actually, there's nothing else I would want to do in my life than to be a trader with Nene.

[Rachel]

Like, you need to go on Traders. I do.

[Charity]

I would be at her begging call. But, like, I. The way that I'm. Like, she would really push me. Like, I would be afraid. I would. I would be afraid to do nothing. But the thing is, like, if it was me and her left somehow and like, we were. You know, I would just hope that she would trust me. But I. I don't know. I'm scared of Nene, but I love her so much. I'm like, honestly, you could take the press.

[Rachel]

Like, actually, I'm a tr. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[Charity]

Oh, I. Exactly.

[Rachel]

I think, though, like, moving forward, they're always gonna vote the Housewives out because of this last season.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

I know.

[Charity]

I know. I'm like, she probably needs to be a faithful. And then, like, someone recruits her in. Like, you know, it has to be at a certain point where people wouldn't suspect it. But I need her back on my screen in Absolutely. Capacity, and I need it to be a grand show at that, so. Yeah.

[Rachel]

All right. Anything else?

[Charity]

I think that's it. Okay. Well, we had enough of a reality TV dive today discussing all the things, and I feel like I need a little bit of a break. So we will see you guys, I guess, next week. So thank you so much for joining us on Bachelor Happy Hour. You can follow us at Bachelor Happy Hour and Bachelor Nation to keep up with the latest. Make sure you rate, review, and subscribe wherever you get your podcast. And like I said, me and Rachel will see you guys next week.

[Unknown Male Announcer]

Bye.

[Mandy Woodruff Santos]

Bye.

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