A Waltz Away from Hometowns!

Summary

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Bachelor Happy Hour: “A Waltz Away from Hometowns!”

February 25, 2025
Hosts: Joe Amabile & Serena Pitt
Podcast: Bachelor Happy Hour (iHeartPodcasts & Warner Bros)

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Episode Overview

This episode recaps the pivotal “week before hometowns” on Grant’s season of The Bachelor. Joe and Serena break down the rapid-fire eliminations, shifting dynamics among the remaining women, behind-the-scenes context, and what it means going into one of the most emotionally charged episodes of the season. The hosts also dive deep into the group date drama, notable one-on-ones, and offer insights into whether certain “iconic” dates signal long-term connections.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Season’s Fast Pace & Reduced Cast

• Shorter Season, Fewer Contestants:
  • Serena: “It is a quick season because it's... only eight episodes where we usually see 10 episodes.” (04:20)
  • Joe: “I prefer a bigger cast because we are now down... this episode felt a little, like, naked to me.” (04:44)
• The hosts discuss how the smaller pool creates more intense episodes earlier and forces contestants into the spotlight faster.

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2. The Set-up: Edinburgh & Gloomy Romance

• Location Reaction:
  • Joe: “We're in Edinburgh, a place I really want to go, actually.” (06:25)
  • Serena (on Scottish weather): “It's not really my weather of choice, but it is your weather of choice. You love gloomy rainy vibes. Super cozy, super romantic.” (06:32)
• The romantic scenery and European castle vibes serve as backdrops for “princess dates” and relationship-defining conversations.

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3. One-on-One Date Debates: The Importance of Timing

Juliana’s First One-on-One

• Joe: “If a one-on-one date is offered to you at this point in the show before hometowns, I think you should take it.” (08:43)
• Serena argues that late-in-the-season one-on-ones rarely lead to winners, but recognizes Juliana’s example as a possible exception.
• The classic “princess date” (trying on kilts, castle visit):
  • Serena: “We see it almost every season...we give you the princess treatment. You get to try on all these pretty outfits, you get to drink champagne... It's just very telling because typically the person who gets the princess date goes far, but...it's coming pretty late in the season.” (10:22)

Notable Quote:

• Joe (about the awkward ballroom dancing): “How awkward is the dancing moment on that date...?” (10:55)
• Serena: “You would hate that moment.”
• Joe: “I would hate that moment.” (11:11)

Juliana Opens Up at Dinner

• Conversation about vulnerability and relatability:
  • Joe: "She said she's falling in love with him, and when he said his interviews, he felt the same way.” (13:07)
  • Serena: “It actually pushed their relationship forward a lot.” (13:35)
• Both hosts agree Juliana is hometowns-bound now.

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4. Group Date Tension & Contestant Dynamics

Zoe’s Upset & Attitude

• Joe: “Zoe, being upset that she didn't get the one-on-one is totally understandable.” (12:13)
• Serena: “I'd be pissed. I'd be like, I'm the only girl here who hasn't gotten a one-on-one. Like, I'm the obvious choice.” (12:13)
• Zoe is praised for her balance of frustration with resilience:
  • Joe: “I love Zoe's attitude towards life...This sucks, I'm upset, but I'm gonna put my best foot forward...” (12:18)

Carolina’s Crisis

• Serena criticizes Carolina’s approach to the group date:
  • “Instead of...being like, I'm gonna go take a moment to myself...she literally sat in his direct line of sight...It feels like she kind of baited him to come up to her and be like, is everything okay?” (21:07)
• Group frustration at Carolina for “taking time” away:
  • Serena: “It's hard on this show because, like, negativity, a lot of the time gets rewarded with attention...now I am the one that's going to suffer even more…” (22:59)
  • Joe: “It takes time away from them, and they have every right to be pissed off.” (23:56)
• Grant’s exhaustion with the drama becomes evident:
  • Joe: “You were my...One of my top girls and you basically aren't anymore because of all this.” (25:01)

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5. Nighttime Conversations & the Group’s Mood

• Awkward Cocktail Parties:
  • Joe: “Grant walks into the room, it's just crickets. It's awkward, negative. He's like...you guys having fun? Everyone's like…” (25:59)
  • Serena (sarcastically): “They're like, we hate you and we hate it here. And we are about to fight again with Carolina for the third week in a row.” (26:25)
• Zoe’s Chances:
  • Debate if it’s fair to go to hometowns without a one-on-one (26:59–27:47).
  • Serena: “I just think it's so...I think it's unfair to, like, be like, I'm gonna take you to hometowns, but I never gave you a one-on-one date.” (27:10)

Girls’ Drama Peaks

• Dina finally snaps at Carolina (“I've been sticking up for you and now I'm just fucking annoyed with you.”), signaling the house's patience is gone (28:49).
• Serena: “Dina has no reason to be getting involved in the drama...she's just clearly so fed up.” (29:13)
• Serena (on Grant and Dina): “She barely said anything. And Grant was like, I literally know exactly what you're talking about and retweet that. And I was like, it is over for Carolina.” (29:24)

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6. Latia’s One-on-One: Religion, Family, and Front-Runner Status

• Latia opens up about her conservative Mormon background and never having dated someone outside her faith.
  • Serena: “She has never dated anyone that's not Mormon. Right.” (32:23)
  • Joe: “That's another thing she opened up about. Yeah, that. I was actually very surprised when I heard that.” (32:30)
• Hosts debate what this could mean for Grant, a non-Mormon, and whether religious differences might be a dealbreaker.
  • Serena: “From the things I do know [about Mormonism]...I live my life in a very different way and by very different rules than they do... I would definitely be open to [dating a Mormon], but I don't know if I would be open to converting...” (33:12–34:17)
  • Joe: “I would be open to it.” (34:17)
• The emotional intimacy between Latia and Grant is at a new peak.
  • Serena: “She also says she loves him. I think with...That's the first I love you. She doesn't say it to him, but she says it in an interview.” (41:46)
  • Joe: “Grant cries. Latia says she loves him.” (41:55)
  • Both agree Latia is the clear front-runner.

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7. Rose Ceremony & Surprises

• Carolina leaves after reconciling with Dina (“I had a pretty solid relationship with Dina and...I don't want to leave here on a bad note.”) (43:34)
• Elimination shockers:
  • Serena: “I was surprised about Seraphina. I think I would have expected it to be Seraphina over Zoe…” (43:39)
  • Joe: “I kind of...thought he was gonna keep Zoe. Seraphina and Carolina both mentioned that they felt blindsided. I don't know if that term really goes with the show.” (44:17)
• Debate over whether it’s possible to truly feel secure given the environment.
  • Serena: “I feel like she might watch it back and have a sense of clarity. Seraphina, I can understand being blindsided.” (44:55)
• On “screen time vs. real connection,” Serena points out that Zoe’s consistency on-screen helped her odds even without a one-on-one. (46:32)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On fewer contestants leading to awkwardness:

• Joe: “This episode felt a little, like, naked to me. I was like...I need a few more players in the game here.” (04:44)

On princess dates:

• Serena: “Typically the person who gets the princess date goes far, but...it's coming pretty late in the season. So I don't know how telling it is this time around.” (10:22)

On approaching conflict during filming:

• Serena: “You kind of have to have that attitude to survive filming the show. You need a little dash of toxic positivity...” (12:47)

On negativity and attention:

• Serena: “Negativity, a lot of the time, gets rewarded with attention.” (22:59)

On religious differences in relationships:

• Serena: “From the things I do know [about Mormonism]...it would be kind of life altering...so I don't know if I would be open to it.” (33:12)

Latia’s declaration of love (first of the season):

• Joe: “Grant cries. Latia says she loves him.” (41:55)

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Important Timestamps

• 03:55: Episode officially begins; Joe and Serena greet listeners
• 04:27: Discussing the shorter season & smaller starting cast
• 07:33: Juliana receives the crucial late-stage one-on-one invitation
• 10:02: Recap of the “princess”/castle date staple
• 12:13: Zoe’s upset about not receiving a one-on-one; resilience discussed
• 13:07–14:28: Juliana opens up at dinner, enhancing her connection with Grant
• 20:22–24:32: Carolina’s group date retreat and the subsequent fallout
• 25:59: Grant walks into a “crickets” cocktail party—awkward group dynamic
• 29:13: Dina finally reaches her breaking point with Carolina
• 30:14: Latia’s one-on-one; hosts discuss their “wife”/front-runner impressions
• 31:42–34:17: Religion talk—Mormonism, dating outside faith, and possible roadblocks
• 41:46: Latia says she loves Grant (in interview), Grant cries
• 43:02: Carolina and Dina reconcile after elimination
• 46:56: Teaser for next week’s Juliana interview and Grant’s hometowns

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Summary & Next Up

Joe and Serena’s lively banter guides listeners through one of the season’s most telling episodes, dissecting the impact of a fast-tracked schedule, the last chances for meaningful connections, and the growing tension among the remaining cast. They illuminate how personal histories, production quirks, and contestant resilience converge right before hometowns—a stage where the “real” stakes of the show come to light.

For next week’s episode: An interview with Juliana (“the wild card”) and a full recap of Grant’s hometown visits—tune in for more candid Bachelor Nation insider talk!

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[Joe]

Hey, everyone. Welcome back to another episode of Bach yout Happy Hour. I'm Joe.

[Serena]

And I'm Serena.

[Joe]

And we are here to recap the last episode of grand season that we just watched, which is the episode before Hometowns.

[Serena]

Yes, Episode five.

[Joe]

A lot of people gone at this point.

[Serena]

Yeah, barely anyone left.

[Joe]

This was a. This was a very quick season, as I. I feel like they're.

[Serena]

Well, it is a quick season because it's. I think it's only eight episodes where we usually see 10 episodes.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

And it was less women to start with. You know, we're usually in the 30s these days, and I think we were only at 25 to begin with. With Grant season.

[Joe]

I will say I prefer more women.

[Serena]

Okay. Well.

[Joe]

I. I prefer more of. More bed, too. No, I prefer a more. A bigger cast. A bigger cast because we are now down. Like, this episode felt a Little, like, naked to me. I was like, we're. I. I need a few more players in the game here.

[Serena]

That's a great descriptive word.

[Joe]

Thank you.

[Serena]

I liked. I like that word choice from you.

[Joe]

Oh, thank you. Naked.

[Serena]

Yeah, I like. You know, like, I think. Yeah. I don't know. I wouldn't have used that word to describe the episode, but I think that it applies. Like, it feels like.

[Joe]

I was. I was gonna say we're too empty.

[Serena]

This early on, you know?

[Joe]

Yeah, I was gonna say stark, but I feel like I've been. I use stark a lot.

[Serena]

You do? Way to find a synonym for stark.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you.

[Serena]

You're welcome.

[Joe]

Wow. I wasn't expecting. I wasn't expecting all this praise for years.

[Serena]

Heard you use the word naked as an adjective.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

So I. I praise you for your courage.

[Joe]

Wow. Well, this is. This already. This episode's starting off one of my favorites. Okay, so we are.

[Serena]

But I will say the show has gotten longer as it has existed for more time. Like, Trista's season of the Bachelorette was like six episodes, I think, right? It was quick.

[Joe]

Sure. Yeah.

[Serena]

I'm just making a point that, like, you know, we're not. We're flexible with our season length here. It's. It hasn't been like 10 episodes since day one. And, like, this is the first time.

[Joe]

Yeah, but I.

[Serena]

But charity season, I think, was eight.

[Joe]

Episodes too, but I haven't watched since day one. And I'm just as an observer of what I prefer. I prefer more of a cast.

[Serena]

More cast. More episodes.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Serena]

Okay.

[Joe]

Okay. So we're kicking this thing off. We're in en. Edinburgh, a place I really want to go, actually.

[Serena]

It looked very beautiful. It's not really my weather of choice, but it is your weather of choice. You love gloomy rainy vibes. Super cozy, super romantic.

[Joe]

I do. I do. And I also love. I. I love winter Christmas time. And I. But I do love summer.

[Serena]

You're. You love all seasons. You don't discriminate.

[Joe]

I respect all seasons except spring. Except winter goes a little too long, and I've been a fan of spring.

[Serena]

No, you like. You like all the seasons between June and December.

[Joe]

I like the beginning of Major League Baseball, which is like, mid April.

[Serena]

Okay. But that's kind of spring.

[Joe]

That is kind of. Well, I. Yeah, I don't. I don't. I guess I don't discriminate against seasons. Next week is hometown week, so when I heard that, I was like, oh, shit, we're here already. That's quick. We get A little golf scene with Jesse and Grant. They're on the golf course. Nothing major happens there.

[Serena]

Just two guys, you know, Jesse, just one of the boys.

[Joe]

Just two. Two of the boys just out there hitting balls. Hitting balls, playing with each other's balls. Juliana gets the one on one.

[Serena]

Yes.

[Joe]

So this is by far, you know, probably the most important one on one date, don't you think? The one on one. You don't think this is the most important one on one date?

[Serena]

No.

[Joe]

What do you think the most?

[Serena]

I think that typically the people that get their first one on one the week before hometowns, it's like, how have you made it this far without a one on one? Like, it's kind of like we're choosing from the last for choosing from a pool of two people this week who haven't gotten one on one dates. And typically, I would say the people that get the one on one date the week before hometowns either get sent home on that date are getting their second one on one date or it's just not that serious between them and the lead. But I don't actually think that's the case with Juliana, but.

[Joe]

Or Latia.

[Serena]

Well, let. You got her second one on one date. She's already had one kind of. Because she had that night portion date from the daytime activity.

[Joe]

Well, I will say this. If a one on one date is offered to you at this point in the show before hometowns, I think you should take it.

[Serena]

Well, yeah, yeah. I'm not saying you should reject it. I'm just saying if you're asking me the like, I think weeks two to four are the. The most notable one on one dates. Whoever is getting the dates in those weeks, I think it's usually.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Serena]

Something more serious than what we get with week one or week before hometowns.

[Joe]

Okay, okay. That's, that's.

[Serena]

That could be a stupid take, to be honest.

[Joe]

Any takes a take, you know.

[Serena]

I do know. Thank you.

[Joe]

You're welcome. They go on a helicopter. You know, this date was. I felt between the two one on one dates this week, there was a little more. There was a little more like seriousness I felt to the Latia one on one date. But then again, Juliana did open up. So we'll get into it. Okay. So they castle for a day, trying on kilts.

[Serena]

I mean, it's the princess. It's like a different version of the princess.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

You know, like, I mean, he didn't necessarily take her on a shopping spree and he too was playing dress up. But like, it's the iconic. We see it every season. I actually, I'm not against a reoccurring date. Like, I think it's kind of.

[Joe]

Well, I hope not, because then you'd be against the show because it's basically all reoccurring dates.

[Serena]

Yeah, but this is, like an iconic bachelor date. We see it almost every season of the Bachelor where they are like, we're gonna give you the princess treatment. You get to try on all these pretty outfits, you get to drink champagne, and then you get to wear something really special to dinner tonight. And, like, we kind of just like, shower them with luxury. And I think that it's just very telling because typically the person who gets the princess date goes far, But, I mean, it's coming pretty late in the season. So I don't know how telling it is this time around, because she's already gone pretty far.

[Joe]

How awkward is the dancing moment on that date where, like, you're two people that. There's, like, these professional ballroom dancers and they. Do you see how they, like, split the room and they both had to, like, walk down the aisle, like, dancing?

[Serena]

Oh, my God. I'm not even joking. I blocked that part of the episode out. You would hate.

[Joe]

I would hate that moment.

[Serena]

I would be fine. I'm pretty game for anything on a date. That's not like me having to, like, write a poem or do a talent show.

[Joe]

You know, I don't like when people sing Happy Birthday to me.

[Serena]

No, which is. I don't know why. Because you do like attention.

[Joe]

I don't like attention.

[Serena]

You were on, like, five reality TV shows.

[Joe]

Not because I like attention.

[Serena]

Really? Why then?

[Joe]

Because I needed the money. Okay, so.

[Prop]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Okay, then we cut to the house. We cut to the house. Latia gets the one on one. Zoe gets upset at this point in the show. Really? Like, Zoe, we interviewed her. I liked her. As soon as we started talking to her, she was somebody you kind of. At the beginning of the season, you didn't know which way it was gonna go. Zoe being upset that she didn't get the one on one is totally understandable.

[Serena]

Yeah, I'd be pissed. I'd be like, I'm the only girl here who hasn't gotten a one on one. Like, I'm the obvious choice.

[Joe]

And I. I love Zoe's attitude towards life of, like, this sucks. I'm upset, but I'm gonna put my best foot forward, and I'm gonna do my best on this group date. Like, I'm putting all my shit aside. I'm probably in her Head. She's like, I'm probably out.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Joe]

But let me just give it a go. And that I, that I really respect.

[Serena]

You kind of have to have that attitude to survive filming the show. I think, like, you need a little, a little dash of toxic positivity to make your way through.

[Joe]

Like, you need that to survive life.

[Serena]

Yeah. What did you think of Juliana and Grant's conversation at dinner?

[Joe]

I, I think it was necessary. I think at this point, Juliana gets her first one on one late in the season, like you said. I think her being vulnerable was important for their relationship, and they related on a lot of it. He's like, she felt like a lone wolf. He's got a lone wolf tattoo. Like what? So, like, they related and she said she's falling in love with him, and when he said his interviews, he felt the same way. So.

[Serena]

Yeah, I also think it was good because we've seen bits and pieces of Juliana throughout the season, but I don't think we've really gotten to know her past. Her just kind of being like a fun, bubbly, happy gal. So to see a deeper side of her and it being a topic that Grant can really relate to and they can bond over, I think it actually pushed their relationship forward a lot.

[Joe]

Yeah, I agree. I, I, I was just thinking, I was like, if we would have seen this earlier in the season, like, like you said, if Juliana would have got this one on1date 3 weeks ago, we may feel stronger about, like, seems like she has, it seems like Grant really likes her.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And she really likes him. I just feel like we're just seeing that now.

[Serena]

Yeah. It almost feels like their relationship, like, just developed this week into something that he is actually serious, like she might be, or.

[Joe]

It's just been developing, and we haven't.

[Serena]

Really, we haven't really.

[Joe]

We haven't seen it.

[Serena]

But even just in their interactions, like, I just feel like we've seen him get more serious and have deeper conversations with a lot of the other women, and this is the first time we're seeing him kind of build, like, a stronger foundation with Juliana, but I think that it's based on a shared experience, and that can really turn into something.

[Joe]

Yes, I agree. So leaving this date, I'm pretty much like, Juliana is going to get a rose.

[Serena]

Yeah, I think so.

[Joe]

She's going to hometowns. No doubt about that.

[Serena]

I think so, too.

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[Joe]

We go to the group day. Carolina is having a bad time, which, at this point, like, you kind of. I think throughout the season, you go back and forth with how you feel about Carolina. Like, the way she's handling the show, not her as a person. You don't really. We don't know her, but, like. And everyone's entitled to feel the way they feel. And. But it is hard to side with Carolina on. On this date in particular because, like, Zoe's also having a hard time. But. But you see, you see the difference of, like, Zoe who's like, this sucks, but I'm going to give it my best effort. And Carolina is like, this sucks. I don't want to be here.

[Serena]

Yeah. Yeah. My issue with Carolina on this date and the way she went about it isn't that she's having a hard time. I mean, girl's been having a hard time. Like, this environment has clearly been very challenging for her on various levels. I didn't love her move of, like, going and sitting at the table. I totally understand being like, I'm not in the mood to put on a brave face today and pretend like I'm happy and pretend like I'm having a good time when I'm just not. Like, I. I do sympathize with that, but it kind of feels like she. Instead of, like, being like, I'm gonna go take a moment to myself, like, I'm gonna go to the bathroom and, like, take some deep breaths and try to, like, recenter myself into a positive mindset. Like, she literally sat in his direct line of sight and was just, like, sitting. Like. Like, it feels like she kind of baited him to come up to her and be like, is everything okay? Like, she wanted him to see that she was having a hard time. She wanted him to come check on her. Like, if she. I don't know. It wasn't my favorite because, well, where's.

[Joe]

She gonna go, really, without being in his line of sight here? I don't agree with it, but, like, I also really can't talk about it because I'm kind of like, that. Like, I. If I'm in a mood, like, especially on one of these shows, if I'm in a mood and, like, I'M like, I don't even think the lead even knows who I am at this point anymore. I'm probably, like, the one in the corner. Like, this sucks.

[Serena]

Like, you.

[Joe]

I don't want to be here. Yeah, I have a little bit like that.

[Serena]

Are like that.

[Joe]

I am a little like that. I get out of. I probably get out of it quicker.

[Serena]

Like, when you don't want to do something or you don't want to be somewhere, like, you're not really a. I'm gonna put on a brave face kind of person. You could be a bit of a baby.

[Joe]

I could be, but. But, you know, everyone's got their thing.

[Serena]

It's hard on this show because, like, negativity, a lot of the time gets rewarded with attention. And I'm not saying she didn't deserve a conversation with Grant. I think the conversation was productive and sweet and really helped her, like, move forward from the mindset that she was in. I think that's great. But I think that it ends up being hard for people like Zoe, like Alex, like Dina, like Seraphina, who are, you know, pushing through the group date. Especially Zoe. I mean, like, she is pushing through probably, like, a lot of frustrations right now with what's going on, and she's doing her best to be positive, and she's probably sitting there being like, I too, want to go cry on a rock and have Grant comfort me. And I didn't do that because I was trying to be positive and be like a team player here. And now I am the one that's going to suffer even more because I was trying to be positive, and I'm losing out on more time with this guy when I'm already not getting a one on one this week.

[Joe]

Absolutely. Yeah, I agree. Like, if this. If this went down the way it appears and the. The rest of the girls who are also trying to get to hometowns and who are also on this group date, meaning they didn't get the one on one. It takes time away from them, and then they have every right to be pissed off.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Because it's like, well, what now? Now my chances. My chances have lessened because of you.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And that I would be like, yeah, that sucks. Rough situation. But anyways, Grant, I think he handles the conversation with Carolina pretty well. He, like, pulls her out of it.

[Serena]

How did you think he seemed with her?

[Joe]

Like, I think I. To me, I think he seemed a little. I think he's. He. I think he does his best at understanding that it's a difficult situation to be In. I think he, at this point is a little fed up. It seemed like he was just kind of like, all right, like, like, you were my. One of my top girls and you basically aren't anymore because of all this.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So can we fucking figure this out or not? And I think that's how most people would be at this point.

[Serena]

Yeah. I think Carolina was someone that I was pretty sure was gonna make it to Hometowns. And I thought, again, I thought the conversation went really well and she opened up and I think that's great. And he was able to come for her. But after the conversation, I was like, I don't know if I think she's gonna go to hometowns or not anymore. I have some. Some doubts on where the relationship's going. I think he's feeling like a lot of their conversations are surrounding drama and negativity. And I think he's also probably seeing maybe what we're seeing, which is. I just don't know if this environment is conducive to her personality and what she needs when it comes to the process of finding a relationship, which, you know, I don't blame her for that. It's a fucking weird environment. You're dating, you know, one guy dating a bunch of people.

[Joe]

I mean, regardless, it's the environment you. You're in. Yeah, y. Um, but whatever. So we go to the night portion. These. This has been my favorite part of the season, that every one of these conversations that Grant. Grant walks into the room, it's just crickets. It's awkward, negative. He's like. He's like. He's like. He's like, you guys having fun? And everyone's like.

[Serena]

They're like, we hate you and we hate it here. And we are about to fight again with Carolina for the third week in a row.

[Joe]

I mean, we need to change a little bit of the vibe on this fucking season. I mean, it's like he walks into the room and it's just like death has entered. What is happening? What am I watching? Zoe. Zoe has a good conversation with him. I liked when she was like, well, you know, I'm the only one that haven't. Hasn't had a one on one. But he seems to really like her, and I think he really respects her too.

[Serena]

Could you go to Hometowns without a one on one date? Yeah, I feel like you would.

[Joe]

I mean, yeah, you're on the show.

[Serena]

I don't think I would.

[Joe]

You may not. But, like, I think. I think.

[Serena]

I think most people would. I'm not judging Zoe. At all. But I just, I think it's so. I don't know, like, I'm. I think it's unfair to, like, be like, I'm gonna take you to hometowns, but I never gave you a one on one date. I also, my parents could not take it seriously if I was like, yeah, he gave like seven one on one dates and he didn't give me one. But, like, he's here to meet you guys. Like, my parents would not be able to take me or the relationship or him seriously. Your parents wouldn't care and you would totally.

[Joe]

I would, I wouldn't pass up the opportunity for America to see a hometown with your family.

[Serena]

No. You'd be doing them a disservice.

[Joe]

Yes, I really, I really would.

[Serena]

So fun.

[Joe]

I also do think, like, I think it's really hard on this show to feel ready, like, like, especially for an engagement with. With the short amount of time that you do have. So I, I. There is something about, like, when your family meets someone that you're dating, you could get a feel of, like, oh, maybe I do really like this person, or maybe I'm. Maybe I don't.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So I, I think they're. I think, like, if you make it there, like, why, why not see where this thing goes? Yeah, that's. That's how I feel.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Zoe. Yeah, Zoe has a good conversation. Girls. Now it's the girls versus Carolina, which at this point makes sense. Then it's Dina versus Carolina, which Dina's like, I have been sticking up for you, and now I'm just fucking annoyed with you. And Carolina is like, well, I'm not gonna talk to you. And she.

[Serena]

I know it gets really hard when you're seeing the girls, like Dina, who are in, like, strong relationships with the lead, be so frustrated because that's just, like, not usually a good sign, you know? Like, it's like, Dina has no reason to be. To be getting involved in the drama. Like, she's probably going to hometowns next week, but she's just clearly so fed up.

[Joe]

Yep. And then Dina talks to Grant, and she doesn't really say anything, but they're like, on the same page.

[Serena]

Totally.

[Joe]

Like, you don't have to say a.

[Serena]

Good sign for Carolina either. At that point, you know, she barely said anything. And Grant was like, I literally know exactly what you're talking about and retweet that. And I was like, it is over for Carolina.

[Joe]

Yeah, that's. That's when I knew too.

[Serena]

Yeah, that's when I was like, it's over.

[Joe]

Carolina's going home. Dina's getting the hometown.

[Serena]

Hometown. Yeah.

[Joe]

And, yeah, it's just like, like, at this point, I feel like at the end of the day, Carolina was her own worst enemy.

[Serena]

Totally.

[Joe]

And it happens. I think it's easy to spiral on this show, and she did, and she never pulled herself out of it. And I think we. That was what we saw with Zoe at the beginning, and she pulled herself out of it and she had a good season. And not only she had a good season, she made hometowns night portion. Or then we go to Latia's one on one date.

[Serena]

Yes.

[Joe]

They have a natural connection. Says he could see her as his wife or a wife. He said a wife. I could see her as a wife.

[Serena]

Oh, did he say that?

[Joe]

Yeah, it's something I caught.

[Serena]

That's interesting.

[Joe]

Well, when they were talking to.

[Serena]

I didn't catch that.

[Joe]

When they were talking to the. The two older Scottish women and they're like, yeah, that's something about like, you know, kissing bells or something was created in Scotland. And when they, like at the beginning of their date and then he did an interview, he's like, I could see Latia as a wife. A wife. I could see her as a wife, too.

[Serena]

Yeah. I'm sure a lot of people could, but is she your wife, Grant?

[Joe]

Exactly.

[Serena]

She. The date portion was very fun. And like, I love these dates. They're casual, they're relaxed, they're, you know, eaten and walking. But the night portion, I feel like, was really the highlight of the state.

[Joe]

Yeah. I mean, at this point, you can't, like, I don't think anyone's watching this show not thinking that Latia's the strong favorite.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And like, Juliana's creeping up on her. But I just feel like we've seen more of Latia with Grant. They seem to really like each other.

[Serena]

And their conversations are always, I don't want to say heavy because they're not like dark. They're just very intentional and very serious. Like, you can really tell they're trying to figure out if they can marry each other.

[Joe]

Yeah. Then Letiya opens up about being very conservative, very conservative family. The Latter Day Church of Saints, almost something like that.

[Serena]

The church.

[Joe]

I think it's the Church of Latter.

[Serena]

Day Saints, which is the Mormon Church.

[Joe]

The Mormon religion.

[Serena]

Yes.

[Joe]

I mean, yeah, that's. That's just like. I mean, that's. If you, if you're really strict in that religion, like, I don't know, like, was she okay if Grant drinks? And I think she is. I don't think. I think it's just about them not doing it.

[Serena]

But, like, I have a lot of questions about it because she has never dated anyone that's not Mormon. Right.

[Joe]

Oh, that's another thing she opened up about. Yeah, that. I was actually very surprised when I heard that.

[Serena]

Yes. So obviously Grant's not Mormon and I would hope that this was part of the conversation. We just didn't see it. Or maybe they'll get there down the line. Maybe this is more of like a fantasy suites talk. But, like, if I'm Grant, I'm like, okay, well, I don't practice Mormonism. Where's the line for you? Like, I think Grant, like, Grant drinks. I'm assuming he has coffee. Like, there's a lot of different things. Like, what does she care about him implementing? And what is she like? Hey, I don't do that, but I'm totally cool if you do that.

[Joe]

And would you be, you personally be open to joining? Let's use Mormon because it's the example Mormon church for someone you are falling in love with.

[Serena]

I mean, my knowledge of Mormonism really comes from, like, the secret lives of Mormon wives and like Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. So, like, my knowledge is not like super in depth about the religion, but from the things I do know. Like, I live my life in a very different way and by very different rules than they do. So it would not just be like, I'm taking on this religion and this belief system, this community. Like, it would be kind of life altering, you know what I mean? Like, for me to be like, I'm cutting out alcohol and all of these things. I don't know if I would be open to it. I would be open to dating someone that was Mormon and a practicing Mormon. I would definitely be open to that. But I don't know if I would be open to converting to Mormonism. Well, especially, like, I don't know enough about it right now to say I would, but I would lean towards.

[Joe]

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[Serena]

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[Joe]

Okay, so back on topic. So I got. I guess the. The. The big thing with. With Grant and Latia is Grant actually meeting. Meeting her family, I think, and being, I would assume, being open to Mormonism.

[Serena]

Yes. I just think him and Latia clearly need to have. Or we need to.

[Joe]

No, they may have had that.

[Serena]

Yeah, sorry. They may have had. We don't know. But There obviously needs to be conversations regarding, like, what her expectations are for him, what her hopes are for a husband and the father of her children when it comes to their role in the church. And I think meeting her family, we see in the teaser, he's like, you know, I obviously want to like them, but this is more about if they'll accept me, because I'm assuming this is the first guy she's ever brought home that's not Mormon. So I'm intrigued on how the hometown's gonna go.

[Joe]

Me too. Yeah. I'm intrigued in how. Well, I would assume the family knew going in that he wasn't Mormon. That he wasn't Mormon.

[Serena]

It's not gonna be like, what do you mean, he's not Mormon? Like, they. They know. I'm sure they've, like, done some digging on him while she's away, like. But I think that the conversation continues in, you know, a different direction after they kind of talk about that. Where Grant opens up more about his childhood and his family structure. He specifically speaks on not having family dinners, growing up, eating dinner alone in his room. You can just really tell that he sees Latia as a safe space. He opens up with her more than anyone else. As far as we've seen, they get into very serious topics. You can see he's emotional in his conversation. She clearly has so much love for him. She's emotional and. Yeah, it's just. I think whether they end up together or not, like, it's just beautiful to see two people connecting in this way and, like, Grant talking about things that have shaped who he is that maybe he doesn't talk about very often.

[Joe]

I agree. I agree. Well said.

[Serena]

Thank you.

[Joe]

I think it was. It was lovely time.

[Serena]

She also says she loves him. I think with. That's the first I love you. She doesn't say it to him, but she says it in an interview.

[Joe]

It's in my notes. Grant cries. Latia says she loves him.

[Serena]

Yeah, those things happened.

[Joe]

Yeah. Like, after watching that, like I said, Latia is the front runner. Okay. And then basically, that's over. So it's like, Latia and Juliana, they're in a great spot. Everybody else, it kind of could be any of the kind of.

[Serena]

Anyone's game.

[Joe]

Anyone's game.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Joe]

We see Carolina grabs Dina. They hug it out. Yada, yada, yada.

[Serena]

Were you surprised when she grabbed her?

[Joe]

No, not at all. Not really.

[Serena]

When she grabbed her, what did you expect her intentions to be with the conversation?

[Joe]

That.

[Serena]

Yeah, me too.

[Joe]

Yeah. At that point, I felt like Carolina Made peace with the fact that Grant probably wasn't going to choose her and was probably like, I had a pretty solid relationship with Dina and I don't.

[Serena]

Want to leave here on a bad note.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

And Dina did stick up for her and stick her out. Neck out for her.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

And like, clearly has kind of a soft spot for her. I thought that was nice.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

Yeah. I thought it was nice that they were able to. To leave kind of on good terms.

[Joe]

Yeah. It seems like Seraphina wasn't sure if it was going to be her or not. Alex definitely knew it wasn't her.

[Serena]

Yeah. Like, what the heck happened? Like, where did she go?

[Joe]

No, I just think it was just. I just think they probably just didn't have a real connection.

[Serena]

Yeah. Yeah, you're right. They definitely did.

[Joe]

There was, you know, she was. There was an attraction, and I just feel like enough of an attraction for her to be there for a very long time. And I think that was kind of it.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I will say I wasn't surprised that.

[Serena]

Alex didn't get a hometown. I was maybe a little surprised about Carolina, but not super surprised. I was surprised about Seraphina. I think I would have expected it to be Seraphina over Zoe. Not based on anything other than the fact that Seraphina got that extra dog date time, had the one on one. It seemed like it went really well. Zoe never got a one on one day, even though she fully could have. And for him to be like, nah, I'm gonna keep Zoe just kind of surprised me.

[Joe]

Really? Yeah. I kind of. I thought he was gonna keep Zoe. Seraphina and Carolina both mentioned that they felt blindsided. I don't know if that term really goes with the show.

[Serena]

I mean, I guess it just means that Grant was probably really affirming them and they felt secure in their relationships, I think.

[Joe]

Well, Carolina definitely didn't feel secure, so.

[Serena]

That'S a good point.

[Joe]

I don't know how she was blindsided. Like, if she was. If she was like, I feel secure this entire time. Like, she was clearly every episode. Like, I feel insecure about this.

[Serena]

I think it's probably just hard when you're, like, breaking down, being like, I feel like you have stronger connections with other people and it's hard for me to watch that. And I'm just confused. And I have these doubts and it's. All these things are happening. And then he, like, does what his role is as, you know, the person dating her and the lead, like, calms her down and reassures her and kind of builds her back up and like gives her some confidence in where they're at. And then to be like, yeah, but like, actually it's over. I think can feel confusing, but I feel like she might watch it back and have a sense of clarity. Seraphina, I can understand being blindsided. I don't know. I thought she was probably going to hometowns, but I also think that Latia, Juliana and Dina and honestly, maybe Zoe have stronger connections with him than I've seen with Seraphina, despite her time with him.

[Joe]

Yeah, I just. I just put them all in the same ballpark as far as like time and. And connection wise. It just. They all seem. It all seem very similar. Like Dina, Seraphina, Zoe, Carolina, Alex, probably the least. But they all kind of seem to have the same.

[Serena]

I think they just have amount of screen time.

[Joe]

Yeah, well, whatever.

[Serena]

I think there's. I don't think there's any way Zoe could have had as much time as like Adina maybe.

[Joe]

Yeah, I guess you're right.

[Serena]

You know, like just like, just. Yeah, she just didn't get breaking it down.

[Joe]

Yeah, she just didn't get a one on one. Yeah, I forget that Zoe didn't get a one on one. I just feel like Zoe was a bigger.

[Serena]

She's been a really consistent character on the show. Like we've seen quite a bit of her every single episode. Especially because she was like involved in drama in the beginning and then her relationship has kind of developed a lot. I just think it's been more about like her screen time versus her actual time with Grant.

[Joe]

Yeah, probably right. Okay, everyone, that's it for the episode. Make sure you stay tuned in the Bachelor happy hour. And we have Juliana coming up in our next podcast.

[Serena]

Yeah, we're so excited to talk to her. And then next week will be Grant's hometown episode. So be sure to tune in for our recaps and interviews on that and subscribe. Thanks for listening. Bye.

[Joe]

Bye.

[Prop]

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[Serena]

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[Prop]

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[Joe]

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And I'm Maya.

[Serena]

Get in here. Listen to the super secret Bestie Club on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Jasmine Crockett, Democratic representative of Texas. She's holding down the fort for her party in one of the most conservative states in the union. I think that ultimately who will become the Democratic nominee for president will be someone that has been out there and has shown that they won't allow themselves to be punched and just say thank you like they will punch back. Listen to Next Question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Joe]

What would you do if one bad decision forced you to choose between a maximum security prison or the most brutal boot camp designed to be hell on earth? Unfortunately for Mark Lombardo, this was the choice he faced. He said, you are a number, a New York state number, and we own you. Listen to shock incarceration on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever. Wherever you get your podcasts.

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