Ally Lewber: ‘Perfect Match,’ Astrology Stelliums, and Dating Updates — Part 1

Summary

Bachelor Happy Hour | June 16, 2026 Episode Summary

Episode: "Ally Lewber: ‘Perfect Match,’ Astrology Stelliums, and Dating Updates — Part 1"
Hosts: Charity Lawson & Rachel Recchia
Guest: Ally Lewber (Vanderpump Rules & Perfect Match alumna)

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Episode Overview

This lively episode invites reality TV star Ally Lewber for a candid, insightful conversation about her journey on Netflix's Perfect Match, her experiences transitioning between major reality shows, the emotional intensity of on-camera dating, astrology's influence over her choices, and behind-the-scenes dynamics rarely seen by viewers. Charity and Rachel, both with their own Bachelor Nation experience, lay the groundwork for an engaging, supportive, and sometimes hilarious chat that will ring true for fellow reality TV fans—and astrology lovers alike.

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Key Topics and Insights

1. Ally’s Reality TV Transition: From Vanderpump to Perfect Match

• Miami Swim Week memories open the episode with the hosts complimenting Ally's confidence.
• Rachel and Ally reminisce about how a casual conversation helped convince Ally to join Perfect Match.
  • "I think if I didn’t talk to you—I don’t know...” (Ally, 04:57)
• Ally highlights the considerable difference in energy and stakes between Vanderpump Rules (lifestyle, supporting a boyfriend) and Perfect Match (spring break party with intense cameras: “cameras on you 24/7”)
• The Perfect Match environment demanded Ally show a raw, unfiltered side; she describes the freedom and vulnerability of being "so different from Vanderpump Ally" (06:52)

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2. Emotional Challenges and Decision-Making on Reality TV

• Pressure of On-Camera Choices:
  • Ally describes her struggle with indecisiveness, referencing her astrological chart (Aquarius stellium in the 12th house, Libra Moon) and notes it's especially hard to process emotions in public.
  • “I am usually pretty shy and reserved... that was the hardest part, for sure. You don’t have alone time—you can’t journal, you can’t escape.” (08:34–10:41)
• Difficulty Disconnecting:
  • “They took my Kindle... By the end, my battery was just done.” (10:41–11:03)
• Rachel and Charity empathize, relating their own challenges from their Bachelor experiences.
  • “It’s almost like, how well do you know yourself? Or trust yourself to make these choices...” (Charity, 11:30)

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3. Astrology Deep Dive:

• The group dives into the nuances of their birth charts and how that shapes their dating personalities:
  • Ally details the detachment and specificity of her Aquarius Venus and 12th house placements.
  • Charity shares her chart: Capricorn sun, Aries moon, Scorpio rising.
    • “You have that emotional boundary. So that’s nice!” (Ally, 12:29)
  • Rachel’s Capricorn/Libra placements are referenced throughout, highlighting internal pressures and the desire for harmony.

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4. Connections & Relationships on Perfect Match

• Early Impressions of Jimmy:
  • Ally didn’t know Jimmy was on Love is Blind, found his vibe approachable, cited quick connections due to the show’s fast pace (“You only had like 10 minutes literally to talk to everyone before Nick Lachey came in and just started the games,” 20:14).
  • Admits: “I kind of knew immediately [my soulmate] probably wasn’t there, and that’s okay. But it’s weird how you catch feelings quickly.” (20:57)
• Relationship Plateau:
  • Ally shares that she bonded quickly with Jimmy in private but started hearing from other women that he was saying different things to them.
    • "A lot of the girls in the house were starting to tell me, ‘He’s saying different things to us...’” (21:45)
  • She regrets not trusting her own intuition more but acknowledges the emotional confusion.

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5. Mental Health and Reality TV Coping

• Both hosts and Ally discuss the reality TV experience—as a mental and emotional "test," with little alone time and no “normal” decompression routes.
  • Key quote: “By the end... my battery was just kind of done. Not getting those moments to really even process what I was feeling.” (10:51)
• Cast members sometimes preferred to "leave the house" rather than stay in the game:
  • "Honestly, it would have been fine to leave the house... I wanted to leave!" (Ali & Rachel, 24:00-24:13)

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6. Post-Show Dynamics: Chemistry vs. Compatibility

• Where things stand with Jimmy:
  • “We’re on different journeys, different planets... We had chemistry, but compatibility and values were never aligned.” (26:23–26:36)
• House Sentiment:
  • The other women and even the hosts reflect that Ally and Jimmy’s energy wasn’t quite a match.
    • "We could see, like, energy levels were not necessarily always matching." (Charity, 27:21)

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7. The Finale/Reunion: Raw Experiences & Production Choices

• Ally describes going into the finale not feeling like “winners,” but more just wanting closure and to have fun, despite the emotional whirlwind.
  • “I really thought I would never see him again after he sent himself home, and… that was a wake up call. ‘Oh fuck, I like him!’” (28:23)
• Recaps the grueling filming schedule and emotional exhaustion post-finale.
  • "We were filming until like 7am... worst night of my life, by the way." (35:14)
• Production and the Edit:
  • Ally was surprised at how much was aired from private or intimate moments:
    • "They were showing so much in the bedroom... I was shocked. Everything in 4K." (44:50)
  • She notes, "I never had a chance to really... talk to Jimmy about everything in that night. It was just kind of a blindsided emotion for me." (37:00–38:00)
• Emotional aftermath included feeling judged, embarrassed, unsupported by the men, but comforted by friendships with the other women.
  • "I just felt kind of like, what a joke... where is the empathy?" (41:13)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Being Herself on Reality TV:

  • “You were so yourself the whole time.” (Rachel, 09:44)
  • “It is almost, like, freeing now being on the other side of, like... this is raw, real. I’m not great at dating.” (Ally, 07:29)

• On Astrology as Lens for Dating:

  • “I have...an Aquarius stellium. All in my 12th house. Aquarius is very... detached... Date in general for Aquariuses, it takes time.” (Ally, 08:34)
  • “I'm like, our Libra moon is over here right now—no, we cannot." (Ally, 12:46)

• About the Reality TV Pressure Cooker:

  • “You crash out in private, but that [meltdown] was all just there... there’s no option.” (Ally, 10:15)
  • “Reality TV is just so interesting because it’s not a normal human experience at all... but also kind of fascinating.” (Ally, 11:03)

• Production/Editing Surprises:

  • “The editing of the reunion blew my mind. I was like, wow.” (Ally, 38:56)
  • “I was shocked at how much they showed... I had watched your [Rachel’s] season to prepare, and it’s not that type of show.” (Ally, 43:48)

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Timestamps for Major Segments:

• [03:41] – Episode proper begins; guest welcome
• [04:57] – Ally’s decision to join Perfect Match
• [06:52] – Difference between Vanderpump and Perfect Match personas
• [08:10] – Emotional pressure and astrology’s impact
• [10:41] – Coping without privacy; processing feelings
• [12:18] – Charity’s astrology breakdown
• [13:59] – First impressions of Jimmy
• [21:45] – Relationship struggles and house dynamics
• [24:00] – Why staying in the house wasn’t always desirable
• [26:23] – Where Ally and Jimmy stand now
• [28:23] – Finale and reunion reflections
• [35:14] – Post-finale exhaustion and honesty about the process
• [38:56] – Editing and public perception vs. reality
• [43:48] – Production choices and privacy surprises

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Overall Tone and Takeaways

• The episode is conversational, reflective, with an undercurrent of camaraderie—equal parts supportive, healing, and hilarious.
• Ally is raw, vulnerable, and refreshingly self-aware, acknowledging her mistakes and lessons.
• The hosts are validating, empathetic, and eager to explore the meta-reality of what it means to be authentic on television.
• Listeners get a rare peek into the actual day-to-day of reality dating shows and the complex intersection of personality, pressure, production, and personal values.

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End of Part 1—Listen for Part 2 in the next episode!

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[Charity]

Welcome back to Back to a Happy Hour.

[Rachel]

I'm Charity. And I'm Rachel. And today we have a very special guest. We have Vanderpump Rules and Perfect Match alumni and my very good friend Ali Luber. And, Ali, welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour.

[Ali Luber]

Yay. Thank you, guys. So good to see you both.

[Charity]

So good to see you. I think the last that I saw you was at Miami swim week, which, by the way, you absolutely crashed it. I was like, period.

[Ali Luber]

Allie, that was so good. Thank you. I mean, that was seriously so fun. Like, that was so fun. But one of the scariest. Like, I don't. I've never walked. Well, I walked when I was younger, but, like, nothing like that, you know? But, like, doing that also in a swimsuit. I was like, okay, I just did this, like, on Netflix. I can walk down a Runway.

[Charity]

Just get absolutely. I was like, yeah, you just did a whole series where you were in swimsuits, like, every day, every hour.

[Rachel]

Looked absolutely incredible. And we are so proud of you. I watched Perfect Match, obviously, and I thought you did so good. So for those who don't know, let's get into Perfect Match a little bit. Tell us why. And I would also love to know astrologically why you decided to do Perfect Match.

[Ali Luber]

Honestly, Rachel, I. I think if I didn't talk to you. I don't know.

[Rachel]

You can't put this on me.

[Charity]

Rachel's like, no, no, no, no, no. I take no responsible.

[Rachel]

I'm 100% responsible.

[Ali Luber]

No, honestly, though, like. Because I remember we were, like, hanging out, and you were telling me all about it, like, your experience, and, like, you were kind of going through it because you had just gotten back, too. But then it was actually weird because, like, a week later, my manager, Carly, you know, reached out with the opportunity, and I was like, okay. Well, like, Rachel was just telling me about it, and it sounded really fun. And I think I. I was definitely intrigued by the idea. I had never done a dating show, you know, like, you guys, but I definitely was intrigued because this one sounded like Perfect Match sounded more. And even you were like, it's fun. Like, go in and just have fun. And I was like, was the energy that I was in or, like, wanting to be in, and, you know, even, like, the production or whoever it was, the casting team that I was talking to, they were like, it's fun. Like, it's meant to be fun, and it's an experiment, but, like, you know, there's no pressure of. Of anything. And I just wanted to go in and be like, can I even form a crush? Like, I. You know what I'm. You know what I mean? So I was definitely hesitant because I'm not. Believe it or not, I'm usually pretty shy and, like, reserved.

[Charity]

That's so funny.

[Rachel]

Really?

[Charity]

No, honestly, you. Like, that's. I was saying. I was like, I was going to ask if you had any hesitations, because I was like, it seemed like you just went in and, like, you were, like, fully yourself, which I can appreciate. No, truly, like, it's like a compliment. Like, I feel like you were not putting on. You were just, like, existing as is, which obviously, like, I feel like that's what made the show.

[Ali Luber]

Thank you. It definitely. I mean, a lot of people are like, oh, my God, you're so different from, like, Vanderpump Ali. And I'm like, well, I would hope so. I mean, I was in, like, a serious relationship. And also, you know, you're still living your everyday life. Like, it was more a lifestyle show. I was, you know, sleeping in my own bed. I was still hanging out with my friends, and I'm just there to, like, support my boyfriend. This was, like spring break in Mexico. Cameras on you 24 7. So it's like, I would hope that I'd be a little. A little different, but, yeah, I definitely think the Moment I got there, I was just like, okay. Like, I really did forget the cameras were there.

[Charity]

And that's so good.

[Ali Luber]

I had fun. But, yeah, definitely a different experience, for sure. More watching it back. Watching it back was hard, but, yeah, I don't know. But also, like, at the same time, like, you. You guys know me, my friends know me, my family knows me. So they're like, you're just being so. It is almost, like, freeing now being on the other side of, like, okay, well, you know that that's me without the Saturn in my first house of always trying to, you know, make sure I'm, like, put together and everything is, like, perfect. But instead it's like, no, this is, like, raw, real. I'm not great at dating. So that was that.

[Charity]

What would you say was, like, the hardest part, like, while you were filming? Was it, like. Because I think you talked about it a lot, like, being indecisive and, like, I can feel it, or I can imagine, like, in that setting where you're, like, having to choose or you're having to make a choice of, like, okay, like, who do I match with and who am I more compatible with? Like, how. How was that for you?

[Rachel]

The Libra moon was Libra. It really was.

[Ali Luber]

And then. And Rachel, you know this. But, like, I'm also. I have, for the astrology people out there, an Aquarius stellium. All in my 12th house. Aquarius is very. They march to the beat of their own drum. They're very detached. And so dating in general for, like, Aquarius Venuses or just Aquariuses in general, it takes time. And it's also, like, they're very weird, quirky, but, like, specific with the type of people that they're drawn to. Usually it never is, like, the same pattern, I guess. But it's all living in my 12th house. So I think the hardest part, the 12th house in astrology is like, seclusion, privacy. It is like, let me go in my bedroom, lock my door, and journal or, like, write music. Like, what am I feeling? And so that's how I'm used to processing my emotions and where I'll make my decisions. So that was the hardest part, for sure. Like, you guys. I mean, obviously, being on the Bachelor, like, you guys had to also make decisions. So, like, I don't feel like you guys did that. I journaled. Yeah.

[Rachel]

Did you say perfect match? You do not get.

[Ali Luber]

You don't have that.

[Rachel]

Because on the Bachelor, I would journal, and you had those moments where people would be on dates. You went off time perfect matches 247 on when you're in the house, which you were from the beginning. And I love. I think also it's so interesting because Perfect Matches never had someone from Bravo come into this universe. And it was so refreshing to watch you go in and really be yourself and just not know the cameras were there because I think a lot of people can put it on. And you were so yourself the whole time. Thanks.

[Ali Luber]

Yeah, I definitely. Yeah. Usually you crash out in private, but that was all just there. But there's no option because you're like, no, Rachel. Like, even when I would go in the room or like, try to have a minute, they'd be like, back out. Like, we were not really encouraged to always be out of the room. But even the rooms, there's still cameras. But like, yeah, it was really hard. They took my Kindle, so it's like I really didn't.

[Charity]

Nothing, like nothing.

[Ali Luber]

Literally nothing. Which, like, usually I would. I feel like I'd be fine. Like actually like the beginning part when I was in a hotel for like a day or two.

[Charity]

Yeah.

[Ali Luber]

In Mexico. Like, I still had Netflix, but I had my. I had my Kindle, but like a beautiful view of the ocean and a balcony. That was fine. But when you are encouraged to always be, like, interacting. Um, yeah, I was just. By the end, my. I was just spent. Like, my battery was just kind of done. Uh, so that was the hardest part. Probably not getting those moments to really even process what I was feeling. Reality TV is just so interesting because it's not a normal human experience at all. But it's also kind of fascinating in a way where it does test your own abilities in a way. Like, do you know what I mean?

[Charity]

It's almost like, how well do you know yourself? Or, like, trust yourself, like, to be able to make these choices, to be able to do XYZ and not, like, have regrets. And it's okay if you do, but it's like, I. I totally, like, get the sense of like, once you're on the other side of it, it's like, ah, like, you really have more information than you did in that current moment. And it's like, ah, did I make the right choice? But it's hard not to, like, you know, beat yourself up about it. It's just like, you did your best with what was presented at that current time.

[Ali Luber]

Totally. Yeah. I learned a lot about myself and how it's okay to make a decision and, you know, not necessarily regret it, hopefully. But it's okay if you do. Also. Yeah, that's hard because I always. And you get it, Rachel. I'm sure, like, with your Capricorn Libra placements. Like, my capricorn is, like, a lot of pressure, wanting to make the right choice.

[Rachel]

And Charity is a Capricorn, too.

[Ali Luber]

Yeah.

[Charity]

I was like, I need you to, like, dissect me a little bit.

[Rachel]

Oh, my God.

[Ali Luber]

Yes. Because. Okay. Do you know your moon and rising?

[Charity]

Yes. So my moon is Aries, and my rising is Scorpio.

[Ali Luber]

Oh, my God. Love. Okay, so you're a water. You're a water rising like me. But I love that you have a fire moon because that's. You have that emotional boundary. So that's nice. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, our libra moon is over here right now.

[Rachel]

No, we cannot.

[Ali Luber]

It's like, I literally just want everyone to be happy. Like, I actually was like, send me home. Like, I don't know.

[Rachel]

I don't care.

[Charity]

Like, no, I know. It broke heart when I saw that. I was like, oh, my God.

[Rachel]

No.

[Charity]

Ali, like, is, like, about. Like, the weight is on her. I was like, it's okay. Like, you don't have to make a choice right now.

[Ali Luber]

Thank you.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Ali Luber]

And that's, like, there's so many little things that later, obviously, again, it's tv, right. The cameramen are there. They need to go to bed, too. Like, it's a whole production, but it is. You know, no one should ever feel like, you know, not having a decision is a decision and not knowing is absolutely. But yeah. In that moment, I wish that I handled it a little bit differently. But.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Ali Luber]

Wait, you're a Capricorn rising, right?

[Rachel]

I am, yeah.

[Charity]

Okay.

[Ali Luber]

So, yeah.

[Rachel]

But I want to talk about. Okay. Before we get into kind of, like, the end of it all. And if you want to go there, whatever you are comfortable talking about, I want to talk about going in. You met Jimmy. What was that like? What drew you to him? What's his astrologer like? What's his placement? Are you guys compatible?

[Ali Luber]

I honestly don't really, like, okay, what drew me to him? I feel like I almost. When I, like, the. The very first day, like, again, I just feel like I was on a completely different page than everyone or, like, got a different rulebook, because I was totally, like. And this. I was more like, oh, my God, the girls. Like, I feel like that's also just my, like, first. I'm like, I want to, like, who are the girls? Yeah, that. That's kind of the safe comfort, I think, level. Even Rachel, I'm sure, like, you because you know you have to like share that with them at night and things like that and it's kind of just like an on. Yeah, it's not normal.

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[Charity]

That's actually crazy.

[Ali Luber]

No, it's perfect. Match is like we had our literal own, like, freaking bungalow. Like, you have your own bathroom, your own bed, everything. So. And that's the intimate. And again, you don't have tv, you don't have Spotify.

[Rachel]

Like, there's no music, there's no noise. You're just sitting in this quiet room, like waiting for production wake you up. Like, I would lay in bed like this.

[Ali Luber]

Like, I.

[Rachel]

It took me a while to get comfortable.

[Charity]

Yeah.

[Ali Luber]

And I feel like I went into like hyper. Like, okay, we're trauma bonding. Like, no, you're literally my husband. Cuddle me. Like, I was just like 0 to 100.

[Charity]

Like, come here. I need snuggles.

[Ali Luber]

Yes. Yes.

[Rachel]

And

[Ali Luber]

yeah, it's a weird situation, but also like, no, it was fun. The first. My first, like, vibe of Jimmy was I thought he was cute. I had never seen Love is Blind. So I didn't know because you know how you had like the glow up. I didn't know was before I was like, oh my gosh, he's really cute. He kind of looked like my type. Just like, basically, I don't know. And we. He was really easy to talk to and more charming than I. Than the other guys were not. And just like, to me, I felt, yeah, like kind of vibing. But also we only had like 10 minutes literally to talk to everyone before Nick Lachey came in and just started the games. So like, I really ever. You know, it's kind of a weird. Yeah, just kind of talk. You're like, okay, well, we talked for 10 minutes. And I liked that. So it's like, I pick you and I don't know. But honestly, like, I can say this now, but I kind of knew too. From the beginning. I was like, okay, so you go in hopeful. I'm like, what if my soulmate is here? You know, that's so exciting. What if. But I kind of knew immediately. I was like, probably not. And that's okay. But it's weird how you catch feelings, like, quickly.

[Charity]

I was going to ask, like, obviously you guys kind of connect very early on, but do you feel like there was a point where like Yalls or you personally felt that maybe we didn't see the relationship start to plateau or you felt like you weren't getting what you needed from him to feel like, okay, this makes sense. This is my person. Like, yeah,

[Ali Luber]

I. I guess I felt like we had a really strong connection when it was just Us. And then the part that got confusing. And again, Libra Moon, he was like, telling everyone else and they don't show this much and that's fine. It's like, not, you know, but basically a lot of the girls in the house were starting to kind of tell me, like, hey, he's saying different things to us than to you, Cassie. Things that are different than what he's telling you. And there were moments throughout the show that I'm surprised, honestly, didn't make it, where people would almost, like, would call him out and ask him about it and then he would, like, talk his way out of it. And I was just so confused because I was like, it's also fine because Jimmy and I were always on the same page of like, let's be open.

[Charity]

Yeah.

[Ali Luber]

Until there was a part where I was like, okay, I do like, you. Like, I'm down to like, let's close this and, like, you know, be together and give it a fair shot instead of it. It's just going to get messier as it did. But, yeah, I think it just. Everything got a little confusing with the whole, like he said, she said, within our relationship, we're now looking back again. I wish that I was a little more just, like, trusting my own, but that's hard because if he is, I don't know. It was. No, it was a coaster. Yeah.

[Charity]

That's a lot.

[Ali Luber]

Rachel on it. Like, were you getting.

[Rachel]

Because I wanted to say my season was a little different and the advice I gave Ali going into it was just to be open and meet everyone and see if there's a connection. Because on my season, it was like, day one coupled up and that was it. No one else switched but me. And I. I think from my point of view, when I was watching it, your season was a little bit more willing to switch around, which can be confusing. So I was wondering how you were handling that, because I remember I would lay in bed specifically when I was matched with this guy Scott, and I'm like, he literally playing the game, but, like, I don't know what's happening. Is he trying to stay another week, but then he would choose me again? And I'm like, what is going on here? It's so confusing because everyone's trying to stay in the house, but then you're trying to actually find a connection.

[Charity]

Right?

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Ali Luber]

Also, like, the whole, like, staying in the house thing, because I feel like I see so many comments where people are like, they just want to stay in the house. Honestly, like, it would have been fine to Leave the house. Like, that's what I said.

[Rachel]

I'm like, I want to leave.

[Ali Luber]

You have to film all the time.

[Rachel]

You're always.

[Ali Luber]

Mike. You have no phone, no alone time. Like, I was at, like, Midway. I was like, I'll go to the hotel.

[Rachel]

Like, the hotel seemed like a vacation. Everyone in our hotel had so much fun.

[Ali Luber]

Yes.

[Rachel]

And they did.

[Ali Luber]

I remember you telling me that, too. You're like, I think that they had more fun back at the hotel. And I'm like, same with, like, our cast. I think that that was kind of the. Because there wasn't the pressure. But that's funny that you. Yeah. I remember you saying, stay open. And I remember watching your season and thinking the same thing from a. From an audience perspective. I was like, the point of the show is to, like, test your match. And I definitely feel I did that. And I'm glad I did that. Really. No regrets in the sense of that, you know, the mess of it all. But I remember you telling me that. And so the whole time. And I remember, like, a few times, and I did get my phone, like, calling you and, like, trying to give you updates, and you're like, stay open. Have fun and be yourself. And I was like.

[Rachel]

And you did. I was so proud of you. I think you really made the show for me. You were so entertaining to watch. You were hilarious and what you were supposed to do.

[Ali Luber]

Thank you. Yeah, thank you. I thought you were incredible because that's like. And also, I think Jimmy and I did actually really like each other, and it doesn't show. I, like, even on our. The last date, I was so shocked watching it. And this is like, you know, we're all. We've all done reality tv. We know how it goes. And you get this. They. They build the story and you get the edit you get. But, like, we had so much fun on that date, and I was actually so excited to go on that date with him, but it. It definitely looked more like I was kind of hesitant when really, at the end, I was just like, whatever. Like, this has been a train wreck, and I'm just gonna let my emotions be my emotions. And even everyone in the house knew that I was, like, happy to be back with Jimmy and that I did miss him when he was gone. So it was. But it was an interesting, just layout of every. I don't know. It's an emotional test, honestly.

[Charity]

Yeah. Where do you guys. You and Jimmy, like, stand today? Like friends?

[Ali Luber]

We're on different journey, different planets.

[Charity]

Oh, God, that's valid. Honestly, Different. Different Planets. Truly, I appreciate that.

[Ali Luber]

I was, like, not really. Like, yeah, we. I feel like we were. We had chemistry, but the compatibility and, like, our values were just never aligned. Like, we were never on the same page with a lot of, like, our deep values. So we. I think we knew deep down it wasn't, but we did try, like, after the show is such a weird. You get out of that experience, and that person's like, your best friend. And we tried, and we had a lot of fun. You met my friends, and, like, we're good, but, like, no, I love that.

[Rachel]

I don't know if I loved him for you. I think you are just so fun. And I don't know Jimmy personally, but I'm. I'm happy that, you know, you get to have these.

[Ali Luber]

I would say this with him and

[Rachel]

go and go your own way.

[Ali Luber]

I love it.

[Charity]

Thank you. I was like, I think there's a little bit of, like, we could see, like, energy levels were not necessarily, like, always matching, and that's not a bad thing. But, like, you know, sometimes you need the opposite. But I was like, yeah, I just don't.

[Ali Luber]

I don't see it. And you guys saying that is kind of. Well, also, I know you guys. But also, that was kind of the. The sentiment of the girls in the house as well. Like, that was kind of what I was hearing, too. And so. Yeah. But that. We're just different.

[Charity]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Rachel]

Can we talk about a little Ali, the finale? Because I want to know where your head's at, just emotionally, Because I remember going into our finale, I was in such a new relationship. I was, like, just ready for the show to be over and to know him outside the show. And then you have to sit in front of these people, and you. You have to say, oh, we're the perfect match. Even though, in my head, at the time of, like, we're not the perfect match, I have to say this. Like, where was your head? Because you were kind of in a similar position.

[Ali Luber]

I honestly, like, I mean, I knew Jimmy and I were gonna win. I don't think we won. I got last place, like, every challenge. Like, I was like, I'm definitely not here for the game aspect. Like, I think we all. Yeah, I was there to have fun. And those challenges, they were fun, but, you know, I feel like, okay, even Damari, Marissa, and, like, they would not mind me saying this, but they, from the beginning were like, we want to win all the challenges. We're here to win. Like, game brain on competitive Mental. I love. Good. You'll, like, me then because you can have it. Like, I, I don't think I even like the reunion for me was not about being like were the perfect match but more of just. I was actually so excited to be at the reunion with Jimmy. I really thought I would like never see him again after he like set himself home and, and that was a wake up call to be the next day. It was like, oh fuck, I like him. You know, that's like the worst and best feeling but you know when you're like emotions, you know. And so I was excited to just like be there with him and I felt like our journey even like deserved it. But yeah, that reunion was tough. I, I didn't think we would win. I was actually surprised that afterwards some like our friends said they voted for us. I was like, really? I thought that was sweet. But we did put in some elbow grease there.

[Rachel]

Yeah, yeah.

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[Ali Luber]

That's such a good. Yeah, because. Yeah, you go in. Yeah, because I, I remember like we were all so excited to like go out after or. No, no, that was the next night. Because I don't know if yours was like this Rachel, but oh my God, that night, because you go do the reunion, then we have to like drive to do the actual like voting, which by the way took hours. Like we were literally filming or not filming but like working until like 7am like all throughout the night. Which is the worst night of my life, by the way.

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[Ali Luber]

But yeah, like we were all just so excited to be done and to be demiked and free. And then even like when Hashim like brought up what he brought up, like, you can see in my face, like, I'm like, what's he going to say? Like, I genuinely was like, huh? And I was like, yeah. Oh, we did like what? It was just. Yeah, I think we all were in completely different mindsets, like going into it. But I also understand like, like from his perspective and I'm sure production was involved, you know, and yeah, all of that. So I get it. I don't have to love the situation to accept it, you know? Yeah, yeah.

[Rachel]

Were there any conversations that were had in the D Miked hotel period. Because for us, that's when everything, like, actually got brought up. And that was a hard time for me.

[Ali Luber]

That's nice. That was.

[Charity]

Oh, like, when you guys were, like, together. Oh, wow.

[Rachel]

It was like after we had filmed you all stay in the hotel because then you film everything post because you can't know who's there before.

[Charity]

Right.

[Rachel]

And I feel like that was a rough, turbulent time for my cast. Did you feel like you guys were just having a good time after? Were feelings being brought up? I.

[Ali Luber]

And not, like. No, no. Like, as they should, but they all had so much fun after their union. I didn't. I was definitely left feeling just like. Well, you know, beside, like, judged and embarrassed and all of those feelings, but it does it. I was like. I really like Jimmy and I was excited. We were, like, back together and. And this is just my experience, but I felt like, you know, the way that it was handled, you always, like, you know, and you, like, think of, like, how would you want your friend to be treated? Or if you have, like, a little sister or someone like that? And it's like, I just didn't have, like, the support, I think, that I. I did from the girls. And that was great. But everyone had their match or was, like, so excited to just be, like, done. Like, everyone went out. I think I had to go film. Yeah. I had to go do, like, confessionals or testimonials while everyone else was, like, having fun. And I had to, like, go talk about this thing that I didn't want to talk about. But, you know, it is what it is. And I. I did not do, in my opinion, anything wrong. And I think, like, what? Yeah, like, and I think to what you just said, Rachel, too, like, I never had alone time with Jimmy without a mic or cameras. And, you know, they, like, keep you so separated to make sure that we don't talk if it's not on camera. So I also, like, never had a chance to really, one, process everything. Everything moves quickly and slowly at the same time. And then two, I never had a chance to just, like, have a moment to actually talk to Jimmy about everything in that night, you know, so it was just kind of like a blindsided emotion for me. But, yeah, I'm just happy that it's over and it's kind of sad. Only in the way that, like, I thought the experience was so fun, and then the ending just left a bad taste in my mouth.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Ali Luber]

Jesus. Sorry. See, everything, it's like, I just. And I also learned that it's okay to not always say everything that you think. Yeah. But the re. Also, like, the editing of the reunion blew my mind. I was like, wow. Because it just went down so differently. And, yeah, what was different?

[Rachel]

That wasn't shown.

[Ali Luber]

So, like, when Hashim brought it up, Jimmy was super reactive and not in a. And I get it. Yeah, I probably would have. I probably, honestly. And I was even, you know, because we're miked, but I was like, stop. We literally have, like, five minutes left. Like, we can talk after, like, lock in. Let's get through this. Like, are you on my. My team or not? You know, and he just wasn't. He, like, got up and was like, that's not my match. And was, like, joking and talking to people while I'm literally, like, what the just happened? Like, you know, I just was in that moment feeling really shitty and, like, yeah. You know, Hashim and Jimmy, like, later that night were, like, joking and talking while I was just, like, in the corner. Like, oh, I don't like that.

[Rachel]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Ali Luber]

It was really shitty. And honestly, I should have even known in that moment, too, of, like, this is not my person. But your mind is just so. I was just so sensitive at the time with, like, everything where it's like, I felt bad and I was trying to explain to Jimmy everything where, you know, now looking back, yeah, I need to do that. And I. You know, but I think I just. Yeah, I felt I was in the wrong and I felt bad and, you know, was it. Proud of my own decisions, but again, like, yeah, time, perspective. I think it's weird watching it back and just seeing how different the night appeared versus how it really was. But that's, you know, reality tv. It's what we sign up for. I understand that, but, yeah.

[Charity]

Was there, like, at any point did, like, in, like, either one of them, like, offer, like, support or just, like, kind, Like, I guess kindish words? I don't even know.

[Ali Luber]

Jimmy came over at, like, one point and was, like, trying to. To talk to me. Hashim didn't. And, yeah, I wasn't. Yeah, I definitely didn't feel, like, support from the guys. Dave, maybe a little, but it was all, like, the girls. Like, I was. I was okay. I was more. And even, like, production. I was just really like, wow. Like, I. I just felt kind of like, what a joke. Like, I really did what was asked of me. I went and I did the thing and I had fun and like, that naive to not only the cameras and production, but even just to the people that I've surrounded myself with, like, where the. Is the empathy? Like, that's crazy. And I. I didn't match with Jimmy. I was matched with the sheen. That's the dynamic of the show. And we drink and we go to a room, and, you know, and it's like, too and short. I could have handled that night differently, but I didn't. And I think at that time, it just was a lot of emotions and feelings because I didn't like him. Jimmy, at this point. And so I was just, like. Felt bad.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Ali Luber]

But, yeah, I think watching it back was just. It's just wild how different. And then to hear the audience, like, a lot of comments will be like, oh, my God. Like, I feel bad for Jimmy. And I'm like, me, too. Watching it. I'm like, yeah, like, I get it. That edit. You know, it looks like I lied or like, whatever, but it's like, the reality is just, you know, a little different room with us. Yeah.

[Rachel]

I will say, when I was there and production was talking to us, because they come in and we all talk, it was very much like, from what they told us, what's happening in the bedroom? Like, unless you're having, like, an insane conversation, we would get, like, a clip of us in the room as we went to bed, and then nothing else was really shown. There was a lot happening in our villa. Like, it's a show. Like you said, you're going into this room, you're dating. Like, it happens on the Bachelor.

[Charity]

Yeah.

[Rachel]

It feels like production really kind of threw the cast under the bus a little this season with those intimate moments that, I don't know, needed to necessarily be shown. I think there's a lot you can imply from going into a room. And I feel like, specifically with the night that you're talking about, I do feel like production maybe could have been like, all right, like, this is pretty heated. Like, yeah. You know, it felt like they were really not. I was shocked as much as they were on my season.

[Ali Luber]

Well, yeah. Thank you for saying that, Rachel. I was shocked, too. They also told us, like, you know, when you first get into the house, they give you a little tour, and they give you the rules, and they're like, yeah, there's cameras, but they. We angle them up at a certain time in the night, and it's not that type of show. And I had watched your season, like, to prepare. Yeah, it's not that type of show. And of course, we sign our life away. I get it.

[Charity]

I know.

[Ali Luber]

And we're aware.

[Rachel]

I know.

[Ali Luber]

But unless you're really in that situation. I remember like watching Love island and your season and you think oh my God, I would never feel comfortable doing that. I would never act that way. But then you're in the moment and cameras are always there and you are drinking and you do feel like you're literally best friends with these people. It's a weird mind block. It just is. And like so you do get comfortable. And yeah, I definitely was shocked at a lot like even them distance me, even hearing me say like my mom having to hear me say like I have planted to my 8,000 now in the morning. I was like oh my God, like what?

[Rachel]

Well first of all that was iconic but the like they were showing so much in the bedroom. I'm like on my seat when they would show up me making out. I was like, I was like this is horrific. And they were fully like, okay, here is everything in 4K. Like I was shocked. Okay guys, that's all for part one with Ali. So stay tuned for part two dropping tomorrow.

[Ali Luber]

Bye.

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