Ally Lewber: Unpacking the End of ‘Perfect Match’ — Part 2

Summary

Bachelor Happy Hour — “Ally Lewber: Unpacking the End of ‘Perfect Match’ — Part 2”

Podcast Date: June 17, 2026
Hosts: Charity Lawson & Rachel Recchia
Guest: Ally Lewber (Vanderpump Rules, Perfect Match alum)

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Episode Overview

Part two of Charity and Rachel’s sit-down with Ally Lewber delves into the aftermath of her reality TV experiences, with a focus on the emotional rollercoaster following Perfect Match. The conversation also touches on Ally’s move to Charleston, her reflections on public life and dating, life post-Vanderpump and Perfect Match, and a fun, insightful astrology segment. The hosts and Ally bring humor, candor, and supportive energy as they “spill the tea” on life both during and after reality TV.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Reality TV Experience: Behind the Scenes of Perfect Match

• Parental Embarrassment & On-Screen Kissing
  – Ally recounts a long-running joke with her childhood best friend about how awkward it would be for their parents to see them kiss — “the universe was just like, here we go, I'm about to put it on a silver platter” (04:10).
• Bedroom Scenes & Privacy Concerns – Ally and the hosts express shock at how much personal content from the bedroom was aired and question producers’ motives:
  “I was shocked, especially with the last one. I was like, was that, like, really necessary?” – Ally (05:30)
  “How dare you show my dress on the ground.” – Charity (06:47)
• Production & Contestant Trust – The group discusses the misleading promise of privacy for contestants, with Ally admitting her trust was misplaced and that future contestants should be wary:
  “I really fully thought too, and trusted that if anything it would be a minimal [edit]...” – Ally (06:25)

2. Emotional Fallout & Watching Back the Show

• Coping with Being a “Polarizing” Persona – Ally opens up about the disheartening process of watching the show’s edit:
  “I was shocked... There were a lot of moments that I wish were shown, that were like good moments or cute moments... I almost just had to feel it and just be pissed and be a little upset and, like, you know, just bedride at home... It definitely took a few days.” (08:09) – The lasting effect: “I have thicker skin now because of it... It's freeing in a weird way.” (08:09) – Rachel and Charity empathize over becoming a “villain” via editing decisions.

3. Life Update: Charleston Move & Love Life

• Settling In & The Charleston Scene – Ally discusses her January move and finding joy in local music and live performances:
  “I'm going to be doing live music, like, singing and playing guitar every Thursday at Zapdax” (10:30).

• The Charleston Dating Pool – All agree the city is “for the girls.” Ally provides color on the infamous local dating scene:
  – “A lot of the guys will do the whole string you along, take you on dates, but they're doing it to every other girl in town. Everyone has a reputation so quickly.” (13:55) – Despite the chaos, Ally mentions she's doing more dating there than in LA and describes the so-called “Peter Pan syndrome.”

• Dating Mindset – Ally isn’t prioritizing dating:
  “I have loved my independence so much... It wasn't last year because I was healing. Now I'm... but, you know, dating is not really like a priority for me.” (13:55–15:00)

4. Dating & Reality TV: Navigating Public Life

• Being “Googleable” & Reality Romances – Rachel expresses frustration:
  “It's so unfair that someone can just go home and Google and see me crashing out.” (22:21) – Ally reflects on whether she’d date another reality star:
  “Every time I say never... is actually like, yep. That is when the universe is like, one more lesson, clearly.” (22:51)
  “As much as I would love just like, a loyal accountant... I do love. I love the theatrics a little bit.” (23:14–24:04)

• Notable Quote: – “I love a little, like, metrosexual. I love a little, like, flamboyant energy. So I love, like, a creative.” – Ally (23:14)

5. Memorable Show Moments & On-Screen Dynamics

• Love You, Bye! – Ally recalls the viral/fan-favorite “Love you!” balcony moment with Jimmy:
  “People either think that that was funny or that I am absolutely undiagnosed and unhinged!” (25:26) – Ally contextualizes: “You literally are in a house kind of getting bored, getting a little antsy. And I was like, you're like, love you!” (25:33–26:02)
• Show Romance vs. Real Feelings – The group debates whether feelings on Perfect Match were “performative” or real, with Ally noting the pressure and constructed nature of show environments (26:38–27:27)

6. Show Outcomes & Production Influence

• Who “Really” Wins? – The hosts and Ally unpack the production’s impact on who wins and how house votes can diverge from final outcomes:
  “It is interesting how production really, really gets in there on this.” – Ally (29:14)

7. Post-Show Drama & House Secrets

• Cast Updates – Natalie and Chris: “They started dating, and then he cheated... or, you know, didn’t technically cheat... It’s hard, but it is...” (36:23) – Behind-the-scenes perks: Some cast got early-morning phone access (a surprise to Ally):
  “Apparently everyone had their phone. If you got up before, like, 8am, you could have your phone until 8am. I didn’t know that.” (37:34)

• Astrology on Set – Ally used her astrology background to run charts for castmates:
  “I did do Jimmy’s... He’s a deep thinker... a lot of eighth house stuff going on.” (38:33)

8. Fun Astrology Game — Guess the Celebrity Sign!

Hosts quiz Ally on celebrity zodiac placements, and she delivers astrology analysis on the fly:

| Celebrity | Sign (Guessed/Confirmed) | Notable Comments | |--------------------|---------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------| | Timothée Chalamet | Capricorn (Correct) | “He wants to be the best at what he does...capricorn energy.” (41:15) | | Zendaya | Virgo; Aquarius Rising | “She’s so articulate...Virgo energy, I can spot a Virgo.” (43:15) | | Ryan Reynolds | Scorpio (Correct) | “He surprises me there...more witty, more giving.” (44:38) | | Paris Hilton | Aquarius | “She’s so Aquarius coded. The Aquarius in her was like, shaking it up.” (45:20) |

– Hosts discuss their own “Big 3” (Sun, Moon, Rising) placements and how accurate they feel to their real personalities.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I almost just had to feel it and just be pissed and be a little upset and, like, you know, just bedride at home… It definitely took a few days.” – Ally (08:09)
• “Now people have really seen you. So, what’s next for you?” – Charity (10:06)
• “Charleston's the perfect place for, like, girls. Girls. That's what I mean.” – Charity (11:51)
• “I like the element of dating when it’s a little bit of a surprise and not like it's a chore.” – Ally (15:00)
• “It's so unfair that someone can just go home and Google...” – Rachel (22:21)
• “As much as I would love just like, a loyal accountant... I do love. I love the theatrics a little bit.” – Ally (24:04)
• “That was the funniest thing I've ever seen.” — Charity on the 'Love you!' moment (26:02)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Perfect Match editing, privacy & emotional impact: 04:10 – 09:55
• Living in Charleston & dating scene insights: 10:18 – 15:00
• Reality TV & dating, “Googleable” lives: 21:21 – 24:04
• Notable moments & show drama: 25:08 – 30:00
• Post-show cast drama & secrets: 36:03 – 39:06
• Ally’s astrology insights & celebrity guessing game: 40:55 – 46:25

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Final Thoughts & Outro

• Ally’s resilience shines: After a challenging ride on two major reality shows, Ally reflects with candor and dry humor, sharing her lessons learned, her evolving relationship with privacy, and her intent to embrace music, creativity, and her own path in Charleston.
• Hosts encourage listeners to connect: Follow Ally on social and keep up with Bachelor Happy Hour for more behind-the-scenes stories.

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For reality TV fans and astrology lovers alike, this episode offers a candid, funny, and surprisingly profound look at what it’s like to live (and love) in the Bachelorverse and beyond.

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[A]

Hello everyone. We are back for part two with Ali. So let's get into it.

[D]

It's just such a like the universe is so funny because my best friend from home back in Ohio just got married last year and we would always joke she's been my best friend since we were like eight and we would always say growing up how scared we were to get married because that means our parents have to like see us kiss. Like we would always be like that's so awkward. And it's like the universe was just

[B]

like here we go, I'm about to put it on a silver platter for the.

[D]

Yeah, like obviously you know I'm 30 now but like it is just like a funny like how life kind of gives you these lessons and tasks and but yeah, I definitely was also shocked at how much of the bedroom stuff was shown.

[A]

Yeah, I mean I just want to apologize because it's like, I can. Like, I am not here to say I'm on this show.

[B]

Hello.

[A]

You know, I've. I've done some things and it's just. No one has to see that. So I really am sorry for you and your castmates who have to deal with that after, because that's just.

[D]

It's. Yeah, I. Yeah, don't be. Don't apologize. I think these. It is. And it's. I'm like, oh, it's a learning lesson for everyone else. I had to live it. So other people. But like, for people that are like, starting to do these shows or, you know, anything like that, it's just a good wake up call that like, just because you see the seasons before, they're

[B]

always trying to improve or give something more.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. And I mean, TV now is just getting more. We're all getting, I guess. I don't know. But, yeah, I. I was shocked, especially with the last one. I was like, was that, like, really necessary?

[A]

Yeah, no, 100%.

[D]

Like, at least it did show that, like, not my anything. This is.

[B]

I'm screaming. I know.

[D]

Like, I think I'm like, production was. I'm like, at least it did show. Like, I was not much, but production was like, you literally didn't even do anything. Like, you were like, talking the whole time. And I'm like, isn't it so weird, though, that they literally watch and that

[B]

they're literally like, that's insane.

[D]

Happen.

[B]

That's ins. So sorry. Like, insane.

[A]

And they say they're like, oh, it's 100% just for safety. Which, like, I love that they have that in place for when it's needed. But I'm like, why would you say that then if that's not the truth? Just be like, hey, whatever you guys do, it might be shown.

[D]

I don't know.

[A]

I'm sorry.

[D]

Yeah, no, don't be. I really fully thought too, and trusted that if anything it would be a minimal, like, because I feel like it insinuates it as it is, you know,

[B]

that's literally the whole point. I'm like, you guys go in, close the door. Do not disturb. We got the messages.

[D]

Yeah, that I literally was like, do not disturb.

[B]

I would lose my mind. I actually, this is.

[A]

I'm like, dirty because I'm like, literally the smallest bits that they've shown from us sometimes, like, how dare you? How dare you show my dress on the ground.

[B]

Crazy. I'm like, every day. I'm like, yeah, the Bachelor really did me. Did me justice. Because if I was on any other show and especially like it's already like environments where you're having to like not fight, but like you're in a competition for another, like, I just, you guys would see the devil in me.

[D]

Even like, I knew the moment I saw my frickin promo photo I was like, oh, they're going to do me dirty. Because what is that? I'm like, come on, don't we have editing software? And I saw the photos when they took up like, because we had to all do a photo shoot day and we got to leave the house. We left the house and we did the photos and the photographer let me look through them and I like got to heart the ones that I liked

[B]

and I was like, oh yeah, no that's. They chose all the ones.

[D]

You didn't know.

[B]

God bless. No, literally.

[D]

Have I heard of powder? Like it was the worst photo ever. And I did know in that moment I was like, they're going to do me dirty. I knew it. I was like, that is the roughest photo I've ever seen of myself ever.

[A]

Oh, how has it been? Like, okay. So I know watching back everything has been difficult. How has it been just for you emotionally watching this back, having to deal with like everything and your castmates.

[D]

Honestly, like the weeks of. Thank God because you know how bachelor. I mean what that was months. Like thank God this was just a three week batch. Yeah, it was like five and then two and then one or something like that. So I was happy that it was not that long to live through watching it back because that was not fun. I think more so because I like I was shocked of. I had fun. Everything I did, I did okay. But like there were a lot of moments that I wish were shown that were like good moments or cute moments that I thought happened or you know. And so I think watching it back I was like, wow. But okay. And then after like when everything happened, I was. It definitely took a few days of just. I almost just had to feel it and just be pissed and be a little upset and like, you know. Yeah, like just bedride at home and. And that's okay because I, you know, I do everything to an extreme. So I had that moment and then I knew I would have, you know, I got the self help books on lock and all that. So I was able to get myself back up. And I do think I have thicker skin now because of it. It almost is this freeing. Yeah. Identity now of like, okay, well, people have seen me so like nothing to hide or nothing To. Nothing's really off limits anymore, I guess. So that's kind of freeing in a weird way. But, yeah, I. Yeah, it was just, like, a range of emotions, but I am, like, on the better side of it now, and people, for the most part, are being nice. I. But, like, the. It is just wild. I wasn't expecting to be such a polarizing, like, person on it. I know.

[B]

That's what was surprising to me.

[D]

Like.

[B]

Like being the polarizing. I know.

[D]

Like, we. The villain.

[B]

Like, never that. Never. Never the villain.

[A]

Coming off of Bravo, I feel like when you were on Vanderpump Rules, you were obviously in a serious relationship, and no one really got to see you. And now people have really seen you. So what's next for you?

[D]

Like, dating wise?

[A]

How have you been? It's been a year since Perfect Match.

[D]

Wow. Well, we wrapped in November. We went later than you guys, right? Oh, did you?

[A]

That's right. Okay.

[D]

But, yeah. So I moved to Charleston, South Carolina, in January, and I love it. I'm still getting situated. I've been traveling so much, so I'm excited to get, like, in a routine and, you know, but I am starting to sing out at. There's a cute place called Zapdax. It's like a little. It's called Zachary Daiquiris, and it's a little daiquiri bar, and I'm gonna be doing live music, like, singing and. And playing guitar on, like, every Thursday. A little, like, girly, I have to

[A]

fly and see you.

[D]

It's gonna be cute and fun. So.

[B]

Yeah, I'm actually gonna message you after this because I have something in my mind. Yes. But very cute. Okay.

[D]

Have you been to Charleston?

[B]

I have. I love it.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Yes.

[D]

Yes. Rachel, you haven't.

[A]

I have been one time, and I absolutely loved it. But I have heard that the dating in Charleston's, like, horrific. Is that true?

[B]

Yeah, I've heard that, too.

[D]

I feel, like.

[B]

Describe it.

[D]

Describe.

[A]

Yeah, I was like, I could move there, but, like, I need to find somewhere where I could date men.

[B]

Gorgeous place.

[A]

Stunning.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No wonder, like, no good men want to move there. It's for the girls.

[B]

Hello. For the girls.

[A]

I feel like Charleston's the perfect place for, like, girls. Girls. That's what I mean.

[D]

It is literally a girl town looking for the girls.

[A]

There's no.

[B]

There's no good guys.

[D]

And then what's hard is they say. Well, they say they caught that. The Peter Pan syndrome. But, like, isn't that just everywhere? Like, I don't. I don't feel Like L. A was any better or worse, to be honest. But also, I don't feel like I ever dated. That's why I was also intrigued by Perfect Match because I was like, I don't do dating apps. I, I, to be honest, like, I love working and I'm, I have loved my independence so much that it's like dating is not like a priority for me. It wasn't last year because I was healing. Now I'm, I'm. But you know, and it's so I never really gave LA like a chance either. And then now I feel like I'm here and I have like, gone on dates more here than I did la.

[B]

Okay. Cute.

[D]

Actually, though, most of them have been from New York, which that's kind of interesting though too, because Charity. Not that far. Yeah. And I'll go to New York a lot, so. So it's like, like New Yorkers, like people kind of come here a lot. People will come from like Charlotte or they'll come from like, you know, so there is a lot of activity here and it is small, but. And the guys will like, kind of come up to you and like approach you here where I. And again, I don't know. I was always at gay bars, you know, or like, I wasn't really. We were.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

We were never like. Right. I kind of like wish that we

[A]

were at the theater. Piano bar.

[D]

We were at the theater. That's.

[B]

We were. Yeah.

[D]

Granny's. Love it.

[A]

Okay, so there are some dating prospects then. Is there anyone like.

[B]

Yeah, I want to know, like, what's. Yeah. What type of guys are you running into? That's like red X everywhere. Like, and what's like considered like a green flag there?

[D]

Yeah, I, I guess a green flag here is a guy that will. Because this is like from my friends that are like really actively and intentionally dating that a lot of the guys will do the whole string you along, take you on dates. Wow you. But they're doing it to every other girl in town. And because the town is so small, everyone has a reputation so quickly. And so people will like think they met this great guy and then soon find out, oh, he's also dated frickin Mary Ellen and Suzanne and all these other people. And it's just like a whole thing. Literally. It's actually kind of crazy and mind blowing, but. And the guys even like, I have guy friends here that are like cute and fun and we'll even like flirt. They just like, don't they, they aren't really. They're just having Fun, like they're not

[B]

ready to like, settle, like to commit.

[D]

Yeah, it doesn't give that energy. But then it's also funny because then on the other side I'll have. I have a lot of friends that are married or are in relationships with great guys. So I feel like it's just kind of our generation. Like, there's just, yeah, a lot of, A lot of fun being had. The rules are always, it's not clear. So dating for me, I definitely think I even like with the show that just came out, I'm literally like kind of scared. And I'm also like, okay, when I do date again, I want to really go in intentionally and not just like, oh, this is fun. Because dating, you do have to be vulnerable. And I think I did surprise myself with how you can catch feelings so quickly. And so, yeah, I don't really, I don't really think I'm like ready to date date. And I've always been like that though. And I always say too, like, you always meet the person when you're like, least expecting it or when you don't want to. And that's just the energy I've always had. And I feel like for me it's like, I don't know, I like the element of dating when it's a little bit of a surprise and not like it's a chore. I wish that I did, you know, but because I'm like, okay, I kind of am getting to the point where I'm like, I could share my place with someone. I could see myself opening up like that again. But I just, yeah, I'm not really actively looking. I don't know.

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Can I ask, like, when you have dated or, like, since being on, like, Vanderpump and Perfect Match, does that, like, ever come up? Like, do you bring that up or do guys, like. Because I, I feel like it's like, it's almost something that you can't really avoid. It's like, it's bound to, like, at some point. Okay, well, you know, what, what have you done?

[D]

Or what do you do?

[B]

And what did you do last year? And it's like, well, this is a big portion of my life, you know?

[D]

Yeah, it's so hard. It's impossible to not. Yeah, it's impossible. And I try not to. But then eventually, what do you do? And then astrology is also not the easiest explanation for a lot of people, especially in this house. They're like, what? And then I try to explain, and I'm like, no, but I did go to college and I also do this. And. And, you know, and so you kind of just like, have to go down that little. The path which is.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

People do get to know the truth quickly. You know, most people don't have to bring up their ex on a first date or talk about all the things, but it's like, it's all out there. So here it is.

[A]

I always say, I'm like, it's so unfair that someone can just go home and Google and see me. Like, crashing out. Like, that is not.

[B]

Like, there's no buy.

[A]

Like, the fact that I didn't just get engaged and that was it is like, the most unfair thing. And I wanted to ask Ali too. Like, okay, the last two relationships that you've had publicly were with men on reality tv. Would you date another man who's on reality tv?

[D]

You know what's crazy? And I mean, like, you would totally expect me to be like, no. And I probably should say no. I think I want to know what you guys both think too. But I. I feel like every time I say never to something or every time I say absolutely not is actually like, yep.

[B]

Is like, I'm going to teach you a lesson.

[D]

That is when the universe is like, one more lesson. Clearly. I honestly don't. I have no idea what my next person's career will be, what sign he'll be, any of that. I will say that I do feel like in this world that we do live in, and Rachel, we've talked about this. I love a little, like, metrosexual. I love a little, like, flamboyant energy. So I love, like, a creative. I usually am drawn to people who are, like, musicians or do, you know? So I feel as much as I would love just like, a loyal, like, accountant that, like, is hard working. Because that sounds great. I just. I don't know. And maybe that is the balance that I need. But I do. I do love. I love the theatrics a little bit.

[A]

You do love the theater.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

I was like, every time, like, this girl loves a Broadway and a theater. I said, well, let's get Allie up there next.

[A]

So, Ali, when you were talking about forcing your son to do Broadway.

[B]

Oh, that conversation sent me to the moon.

[A]

Like, that is so real. Like, I feel like I have this conversation so many times.

[D]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

So many opinions on it. I'm like, wait, are we.

[B]

No. She was like, I will be a stage mom. He was like, okay, awesome. But she was like, well, what are your thoughts on it? He was like, I mean, yeah, like, cool.

[D]

He was not okay. But, like, that's what's given me grace. During this whole thing is freaking. Of course. Women and like, having people be like, they relate and agree because, like, thank God. Also, like, put it all out there. Put it all out there. Like you so much by giving them the most and then letting them deal with it how they will. Like, I. Yeah. And obviously, obviously, I will be happy if my kid is healthy and happy doing whatever they want.

[A]

Allie. My favorite moment on Perfect Match was when Jimmy was having a conversation on the balcony. And you went in the room and you open the door and you go, love you, and you close it. I feel like, what was happening in that moment, because that was the funniest thing I've ever.

[D]

People either think that that was funny or that I am absolutely undiagnosed and unhinged. But I'm like, have you serious? Thank you.

[A]

Some do. Rachel.

[D]

I'm like, have you guys ever been to a sleepover and, like, they have, like, siblings, and you go like, spy on the sibling. Like, you have to make your own fun. Like, yes, you do. In, like, they were talking for hours. And I'm like, okay, Alison, I love you, but how many more TikTok dances can we do? Like, and we didn't have our phone. And I love her. That's a bad. Like. But you know what I'm saying? Like, you literally are in a house kind of getting bored, getting a little antsy. And I was like, you're like, love you.

[A]

Hey. No, that was hilarious. I'm sorry. That was the funniest thing I've ever seen.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[D]

Sophie the next day was like, someone said she was upset, and then I talked to her and she was not upset. Like, it was just funny. Like, the guys are always so, like, dramatic and serious. And, like, Sophie and I, like, hit it off immediately because we didn't take it that seriously.

[A]

She is so unserious. Also, like, she started laughing when Jimmy was, like, having that heart to heart with you.

[B]

This conversation. I lost it too. I was like, I can't. This is, like, this is insane behavior.

[A]

Like, where was that coming from? In front of everyone, too. I'm like, it's giving a little performative. Like, why are we declaring love in front of the entire cast? Like, I don't know.

[D]

That was also, like, that whole night, and they didn't show a lot. You know, they showed 2%. And, like, it was. Yeah, like, there was a lot that happened. Like Allison yelling at Jimmy and every. And it was. I felt bad for Jimmy that night because I was like, they don't know him, obviously. On the level that I did. But.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah, but that was hard because. Yeah. It was just, like, going in circles of, like, you're not being intentional. And I'm like, okay, is this the Bachelor? I know. That's what I. Yeah. I was like, it's okay.

[A]

I'm not getting engaged at the end of this. That's what I always say. I'm like, the prize is a big

[D]

case, and I don't want that.

[A]

And I want to go like, the person.

[D]

Exactly.

[A]

I'm like, I don't want to go on a trip with this person. Like, what is the prize here? The prizes? I'm going. Yeah. Literally back to the hotel to get a latte and have my own room

[D]

with literally iced coffee, please. Yes. And, like. Yeah. Yeah, I would love to do a vacation with, like, with the girls or.

[B]

I know. Let's take a girl's trip.

[D]

Right? Like, can we just actually get the money? Yeah. But at one point, actually, like, Jimmy, like, at the end, I was like, oh, if we did one day, we would get a trip. Like. But that just is funny to me now because, like, I was just.

[B]

That only works if you really, like, like, you know, like, I need to be madly in love. Like, like, please do not lock me away on a trip with a man that I'm like, like, half serious. I don't know. I need to be like.

[D]

Honestly, it would have been fine because I guess that's what we were already doing anyway. Like, you're like, basically.

[B]

But it's like, yeah, I. I don't know. Even by the time you guys got done filming, I don't know if I still would want to, like, you know, I would really need to, like, you really need to like you.

[A]

At least your couple took their trip. Our perfect match did not.

[D]

Did anyone get it?

[A]

So Lucy and Daniel won.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Crazy. Because everyone in the house voted for AD and Ollie, who are now married and have a beautiful baby. That was my perfect match. Lucy didn't want to win, and then everyone outside the house voted for them.

[D]

Rachel, stop your joking.

[A]

No, it was, like, crazy situation, and then they ended up not even taking the trip. And Katie and Allie are so happy now, so there's always at least that one happy couple that doesn't win. It sounds like in your seasons, Jimmy and Ali. Yeah.

[D]

No, it is interesting how production really, really gets in there on this.

[A]

Really? Were they, like, not that Well, I

[D]

just mean, even, like, how if you're. Because, no. Even if AD And Ollie were like, were they. You think that they did everyone did vote them but they made it?

[A]

No, we all. Well, everyone who was in the house with them and knew them personally voted for them.

[D]

Voted for them. Yeah. Okay.

[A]

It was everyone who wasn't in the house, in my opinion, that didn't vote for them. Yeah. There was just a lot happening.

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[D]

Yeah, because you. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Allison and Jimmy are figuring it out. I'm not going to speak for them,

[A]

but figuring it out a year later is wild.

[B]

I think that I need a title. Come on now. What are we figuring out? I don't have one.

[D]

I talked to her, too.

[B]

As a girlfriend, boyfriend or not.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh.

[D]

I mean, I don't want to say they. They're figuring it out.

[B]

That's all right.

[D]

They're figuring it out. But, yeah, I do think that the show. I do think that the show came out and, like, the showman's energy of it all got into their veins, which makes sense because even for me, I had to really, really, really, really set, like, boundaries with myself because it's hard watching it back. I want to hear about. It's hard watching it back. But they had both never done dating shows either, so I felt for them. And I think watching it. That's weird. And you, like.

[B]

Are you saying it was harder, like, it was hard on their relationship watching it back, or it made them, like, lean into it more than what they.

[D]

Probably the latter.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

May that never be my portion. No, I rebuke that off my life.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. There's been, like, a lot of drama kind of happening post season with your cast, especially with, like, Natalie, and I feel like there's just been a lot happening.

[D]

I love it. I'm like, that's right. Let's pick up the cameras, put it on them.

[A]

That's what I said. I'm like, the drama that's happening while it's airing is what people need to see.

[D]

Literally. No, but. But yeah. Natalie and Chris started dating, and then he cheated with. Or, you know, didn't technically cheat. I love all of them separately. You know, it's hard, but it is.

[A]

It's.

[D]

Yeah. Was that like that with your season?

[B]

Who was Natalie with?

[D]

Okay, so Natalie ended the show. They got second place. Natalie and gaming. I don't think that production showed that. I don't remember. But Natalie and Yemen got second place. And then I don't remember the timeline, but basically she started. Her and Chris started forming a relationship outside of the show.

[A]

When she saw that Gucci wallet, she said, that's my.

[D]

Wait, what happened when Chris had the Gucci wallet?

[A]

I was like, so much as he should have brought that out, showed everyone first day.

[D]

This is so funny. Like, he was always in his room. Oh, like, how was he allowed? Like, again, everyone just had. He was like.

[A]

Anyway, I think they just didn't let you in the room.

[D]

No, honestly, they would.

[B]

They would have found a way to let me rest. Truly, like, they would have let me stay in that room.

[D]

And apparently everyone had their phone. If you got up before, like 8am, you could have your phone until 8am I didn't know that.

[B]

Oh, rise and shine.

[D]

Jimmy Sotos just said that on a podcast. And I was like, that is true.

[A]

The earlier you get up and I was right out of bed because I was trying to get out of that room. I wouldn't even have anyone to call. I would just be like in the corner.

[D]

I know. My Carly. My. My social media was like, why does everyone have tick tocks and you don't? I was like, literacy beats me. And then I saw that podcast. I was like, oh, I got my phone a few. I think I called you. I got my phone a few, like, mornings, and I was like calling home, phoning a friend, help. What am I doing? And doing everyone's astrology, of course, so that my phone. Plug it all in. Yeah, but that's kind of like the resident astrologer.

[A]

Were you, like, telling everyone who was like, a match and who wasn't?

[D]

Yeah, no, I really wasn't because I try to, like, not use astrology for that, honestly. Because I think it's important to vibe, you know, meet your people, see how it goes, and then we can look at the astrology, like, later. So, yeah, I really wasn't. But I did do Jimmy's and, like, knew his. I like, studied his, like one day when I did get my phone and I was like, okay, there's more under the surface than he lets on. He's a deep thinker. He feels everything. He's got a lot of eighth house stuff going on.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

Secrets and. Just kidding.

[A]

I'm not.

[B]

Yeah, no,

[D]

yeah, we weren't that compatible astrologically really, now that I think about it. And I think that's what's interesting about astrology, because if you want it to work, you will do your synastry and you will find even the harsher placements. But that's the truth of astrology. Anyway. I think we're all connected and I don't want to use astrology as a yes or no. But instead of how do we work together, obviously there's people even like us. We share similar big threes like you usually naturally connect and vibe and flow with similar energy to you, but when it comes to dating, it's usually. Yeah, it's interesting. It can be all over the place, because it depends. Oh, their Venus might activate your moon, or it could activate this part of you. But we're all. We're all getting activated by energy somewhere, so I don't know if that makes activation for sure.

[B]

Yes, it does.

[A]

And I'm activated.

[D]

How are you guys? I want to hear about your guys's dating life. I feel like. Oh, I'm. I don't even know.

[B]

I'm happily committed to one singular person.

[A]

She is getting married very, very soon, and I'm single.

[D]

Yep.

[A]

Same updates.

[B]

I'm working on Rachel, though. I really am.

[D]

I know. Rach, what if. What if your cowboy, slightly gay cowboy, is in Charleston?

[A]

You know what? That's a very good point. We. We're gonna have to explore that when we come and see you at your. Your residency. Speaking of astrology, we would love to play a little game with you to

[D]

end this out, if you are okay with it. Yes.

[A]

So we are gonna play a game where we are going to give you a celebrity, and you have to tell us what you think their sign is and, like, what qualities they have that might represent that sign if you already know it. Okay, so we're gonna start out first with Timothy Chalamet, Capricorn.

[D]

And he. Right. Yeah. And he is such a Capricorn. What was that the movie that he just did? The Marty supreme movie. And then did you hear his, like, Oscar speech? No, I don't think I remembered it. It was like, I related to Marty supreme because he wants to be the best at what he does, and he's all like, I've always, like, I want to be the best. I want to be so good. And I'm just like, capricorn energy.

[B]

I love that. Yeah, I love you, Capricorn. So I do like that a lot.

[D]

Wait, wait, your date. Yours is a Cap.

[B]

Wait, I'm a Capricorn?

[D]

No, you're a Capricorn, right?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

She's a Capricorn. I also feel like he has great bone structure. And don't they say Capricorn placements have, like, the bone structure? I've seen that.

[D]

I don't know where my. I'm just bony in general, but I'm like. But that's. Yeah, it's. I've heard it. Yes. Okay. And your rising sign is a lot about your features, too.

[B]

I'm a scorpio. What does that say?

[D]

Mysterious. That's more like alluring. Like, you're like. Oh, I know every Siren. Exactly. It's like I want to know everything about you.

[B]

Interesting.

[D]

But you're like, boundaries.

[B]

Yes. Correct.

[A]

Charity's big three is so her. Like, I feel like her big three.

[D]

And same with you, Rachel. You're so.

[A]

Don't you cry, baby. Aren't we?

[D]

Wait, so we're the same.

[A]

You're Pisces. We have the same signs in different placements. Because I'm a Pisces sun. Libra moon. We have the same Libra moon and then Capricorn Rising.

[D]

Yeah. So I'm a Capricorn sign like you. Libra in Pisces Rising. Yeah.

[B]

Amazing. Okay, let's do the next one. Zendaya.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

I actually not sure, but she is. But I would guess like Aquarius or something. Something. Or something watery. Oh, Virgo, maybe. Okay. What is. What is she?

[B]

She's a Virgo.

[D]

She's a Virgo.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Her moon and rising.

[B]

I don't. You are. I'm like. You're good.

[A]

How did you know that?

[D]

What.

[A]

What qualities for. Yeah, she has.

[D]

I was like. So it's interesting with actors because they usually all, like, think of their. The parts that they play. But then I try to, like. Okay, let me actually think about just. She's so articulate, the way that she, like, carries herself. And also, I don't know, Virgos. Like, I can spot. There's certain signs that I'm not good at spotting. Aries and usually fire signs. I'm not that good at Sagittarius, kind of, but Virgos, for some reason. And I don't know if it's because I'm a Pisces Rising, so they're my opposite sign. But I can usually spot a Virgo or, like, Virgo energy.

[B]

Interesting.

[D]

But there's certain ones that I can't. But I bet that she. I don't know why. She definitely gives me Aquarius somewhere, too.

[A]

So they just put in our chat that she.

[B]

Aquarius Rising.

[A]

Yes. Crazy.

[D]

It's weird once you start, like. It's like how. It's literally like my language. Huge. It's. It's weird.

[A]

I'm dead. Okay.

[D]

I love that Aquarius.

[A]

Ryan Reynolds.

[D]

Okay. I know Blake Lively is a Virgo. Is he a Scorpio? I think I knew this because I've done. God, he's a Scorpio.

[A]

He is a Scorpio.

[D]

Which.

[A]

That.

[D]

He surprises me there. That surprises me.

[B]

Really? Why? What would you think that he is

[D]

like, I would almost think Virgo or Gemini. Like, he's so witty and so funny and so giving with his energy. So being a Scorpio son is interesting because that does tell me, okay, there's more to him than, like, that we're not seeing or that we're not getting, which I kind of love. You know, there's like a more mysterious, darker side to him. I do get the dark humor with the Scorpio, for sure. Love his humor.

[B]

But yeah, amazing. Okay, Paris Hilton, Aquarius.

[D]

She's our Aquarius queen, right?

[B]

Oh, that's right.

[D]

She's so Aquarius coded because she's so like, she's talking about the adhd, but also just the way that if you think about her literal family and how easy it would have been for her to stay in a lane, you know, and. Yeah, but the Aquarius in her was like, shaking it up.

[A]

Yeah, that's so true. She really does. Like, she created, yes. TV in a way. Well, you are iconic for knowing all these and so talented. And for those who are listening, where can they follow you if they don't already?

[D]

Yay at Ali A L L Y Luber, period.

[B]

Thank you, Ali. This was so fun.

[D]

I'm like, that was so fun.

[B]

Our readings with you and hopefully our viewers can schedule one with you too, because I feel like people need to know what's going on. Yeah.

[D]

Yeah, totally. And if you guys ever obviously text me. If you guys, I will be sending

[A]

you the birth chart again.

[D]

I already have it. I need your charity.

[B]

Yeah, no, I'm like, I'm just next. I'm next in line.

[D]

But even knowing your rising sign helps. Helps me. It's almost like my friends are grouped in a. Like, I know the rising sign, so I know when people are about to experience things.

[B]

So interesting.

[D]

It's fun.

[B]

Thank you, Ally. And thank you to our listeners. Make sure you guys are following us at Bachelor Happy hour and Bachelor Nation and make sure you rate, review, subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. Until next time. We'll see you guys very soon.

[C]

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