Allyshia Gupta: Dating, Rumors, and What’s Next | Happy Hour

Summary

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Bachelor Happy Hour: Allyshia Gupta – Dating, Rumors, and What’s Next | December 16, 2025

Episode Overview

In this lively episode of "Bachelor Happy Hour," hosts Joe Amabile and Serena Pitt catch up with Allyshia Gupta, interior designer and former "Bachelor in Paradise" contestant. The conversation spans Allyshia's take on dating post-Paradise, rumors around franchise relationships, insights into her upcoming HGTV Bachelor Mansion makeover show, and a deep dive into her design philosophy. Listeners get the real scoop on Bachelor Nation rumors, on-screen relationships versus real friendships, and what the future holds for the star guest.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Holiday Traditions and Living on the West Coast (03:54–08:39)

• Pets and Gift-Giving: Allyshia discusses her belief that dogs understand the concept of presents and shares anecdotes of including her dog, Bagel, in family gift exchanges.
• Relocation: She talks about living in LA after spending years in Florida, recounting her move post-college, and comparing climates and holiday traditions.
• Seasonal Affective Disorder: Joe and Allyshia bond over how lack of sunlight during winter triggers seasonal depression, reinforcing the preference for sunnier climates.

Notable Quote

“Something about not getting the sun... will put me in a funk.”
— Allyshia Gupta (08:18)

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2. Love, Rumors, and Moving Forward Post-Paradise (08:45–13:47)

• Bachelor in Paradise Recap: Serena prompts Allyshia about the much-discussed love triangle with Kat and Dale, and recent rumors of Kat and Dale’s breakup.
• Allyshia’s Perspective: She clarifies she has no ongoing interest in Dale and emphasizes her intention to date seriously, looking for a “husband and family,” not casual encounters.
• Dating Life: Allyshia admits she’s not dating anyone, is selective and intentional about her choices, and prefers time with friends and family over uninspiring first dates.
• Dating Apps Woes: She reveals she’s banned from Hinge, speculating it’s due to an unsatisfied match, and interprets it as a “sign” her future partner isn’t there. She’s now on Raya but finds the LA dating pool challenging.
• Openness to the Future: Allyshia remains open to meeting someone, especially intrigued by the new Bachelor cast, alluding to a fresh set of possibilities.

Notable Quote

“I date because I want a husband. I want to have kids, I want to start a family. And I’m really looking for somebody who is qualified and also wants that in return.”
— Allyshia Gupta (10:19)

“I got banned off Hinge. Couldn’t tell you why... If I got banned from Hinge, I think that’s a sign that God’s saying your husband’s also not on there.”
— Allyshia Gupta (12:14)

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3. Bachelor Nation Relationships: Real or “Online”? (19:52–22:41)

• Sean Friendship: Serena asks where Allyshia stands with former friend Sean. Allyshia clarifies they’re not on bad terms but grew apart due to mismatched values and a broken foundation of trust.
• Real vs. Perceived Connections: Allyshia notes a disconnect between real relationships formed on the show and the social media/fame-focused connections that persist afterward, expressing a preference for genuine bonds over online image.
• Franchise Influence: She calls out how post-show dynamics often prioritize maintaining a public persona, influencing who stays friends.

Notable Quote

“There’s almost like a double layer of relationships in Bachelor Nation… Real people, real relationships, but after the show there’s like a social media relationship.”
— Allyshia Gupta (21:21)

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4. Would Allyshia Do More Reality TV? (22:41–24:49)

• Interest in More Shows: Allyshia expresses openness to returning to "Bachelor in Paradise," especially if it offers a more genuine environment for finding a relationship.
• Reflections on Her Experience: She explains that entering Paradise late put her at a disadvantage, joking that it felt more like a “game show” than an authentic dating experience, and she’d prefer the chance to start fresh and early.
• Learning from the Past: She suggests she’d approach a second shot with more self-awareness and a new mentality.

Notable Quote

“I would be open to doing Paradise again... I was really excited to have that opportunity and really thought I would meet a couple people that might turn into something serious. Unfortunately… I came in two weeks late.”
— Allyshia Gupta (23:28)

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5. HGTV Bachelor Mansion Makeover: Design Dreams Realized (24:50–43:02)

• Pivot to Career: Allyshia shares her enthusiasm for starring in the new HGTV makeover show, revealing her professional background in interior design and architecture.
• Design Philosophy: She stresses that good design isn’t about sticking to one style but about blending multiple influences and honoring the original architecture.
• Current Design Trends: Allyshia is inspired by maximalism, Bauhaus, and brutalism, highlighting each style's influence (27:30–28:17).
• Competitive Confidence: With both Bachelor franchise and design competition experience, Allyshia jokes, “There’s no reason why I won’t win this show.”
• Collaboration and Challenges: She explains the difficulty of collaborating with non-designers on TV, balancing creativity and professional execution.
• Favorite Collaborators: Allyshia names Joan as a particularly inspiring and enjoyable co-star on the show.

Notable Quotes

“Any good interior design is never one style. It’s a combination of multiple… and that’s what makes designers complex and meaningful.”
— Allyshia Gupta (26:14)

“Brutalism is a type of interior design style... design based off function. Things were never meant to be beautiful — they’re meant to be functional and built like a machine.”
— Allyshia Gupta (27:32)

“I came in, I’m like, why — there’s no reason why I won’t win this show. Like, I can do this. I feel so confident. I know I’m good at this.”
— Allyshia Gupta (29:43)

“You get really fresh, cool ideas when you are coming from a place of perhaps less analytical background and more of just a creative mind… but the execution is where a professional will excel.”
— Allyshia Gupta (38:09)

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6. Professional Life: Collaboration, Clients, and Reality TV (41:13–43:02)

• Business Structure: Allyshia owns her own firm and frequently collaborates with contractors, subcontractors, and specialists, emphasizing that professionals in her field know not to take feedback personally.
• Reality TV vs. Real Work: Working with “reality TV personalities” is different, as many lack professional detachment, which led to interesting dynamics and, ultimately, “better TV.”

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• On dating apps:
  “If I got banned from Hinge, I think that’s a sign that God’s saying your husband’s also not on there.” (12:14, Allyshia Gupta)

• On Bachelor Nation friendships:
  “There’s almost like a double layer of relationships in Bachelor Nation… after the show, there is like a social media or online relationship between people.” (21:21, Allyshia Gupta)

• On design collaboration:
  “It was important that my voice was heard. And that’s a really tricky line to kind of walk because people do get their feelings hurt...” (40:08, Allyshia Gupta)

• On professional vs. reality TV personalities:
  “The difference is I’m not used to a lot of reality TV personalities.” (42:14, Allyshia Gupta)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Holiday Traditions and Relocation: 03:54–08:39
• Paradise Recap, Dale & Kat Rumors: 08:45–10:44
• Dating Intentions & App Woes: 10:44–13:47
• Bachelor Friendship & “Online” Relationships: 19:52–22:41
• Would She Do More Reality TV?: 22:41–24:49
• HGTV Makeover Show and Design Philosophy: 24:50–43:02
• Collaboration, Professionalism, and TV Personalities: 41:13–43:02

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Episode Tone and Atmosphere

The conversation is candid, light-hearted, and often humorous, with hosts Joe and Serena keeping the tone warm and inclusive. Allyshia’s pragmatic yet optimistic approach to love, career, and reality TV keeps the episode engaging and inspiring. The discussion blends real Bachelor tea with practical life and career advice, serving both franchise fans and those interested in design and personal growth.

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Transcript

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Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Bach yout Happy Hour. I'm Joe.

[C]

And I'm Serena.

[B]

And we are here today with Alicia. Alicia, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour.

[A]

Hey, guys, thanks for coming back.

[B]

You were just saying you believe that dogs want gifts.

[A]

I do. I think animals are much presents. I should say presents. Yeah. Christmas or Hanukkah, whatever you celebrate. But yeah, he basically told me that dogs, they get the idea of, like, gift giving. So it's very important you put a Christmas tree, a present under the Christmas tree from them. So, like, on Christmas Day or whenever you're opening your gifts, they're part of the, like, ceremony. And yeah, my dog's getting a little bit too excited and starting to open some Christmas presents early.

[C]

It's so interesting, though, that they see wrapped boxes and they're like, I want to know what's inside.

[A]

I know. I mean, he was going for something that was like a scented candle, if I can tell. So maybe he's going off like the Smells, but I don't know.

[C]

Put a gift under the tree that's like, to Mommy. From Bagel.

[A]

Yeah, or from Bagel to, like, my sister or my mom or whoever. I'll get presents for other people from Bagel.

[C]

Bagel.

[B]

My mom does that for our dog, for Winston.

[A]

That's adorable.

[C]

Get Winston gifts more often.

[B]

I know, I know. I should bring. We should bring him a gift.

[C]

Yeah, he's a good boy.

[A]

Bagel confirms Winston would like more gifts.

[B]

Yeah, we're. I. I think I know this, but you're. You're in Florida, right?

[A]

I'm in LA right now, but my mom's in Florida, and I usually do spend the holidays back home in Florida, but this will be one of the first years that I'm spending it out in LA with my sister, and my mom's gonna fly out and do a little Christmas here together, just the three of us.

[B]

Are you living in la? Are you just there visiting your sister?

[A]

Yeah, I've been in LA for probably the last six months permanently. So I've been living and working out here. And in between, you know, shows, I can go to Florida to visit, but I've really primarily spent most of my time on the west coast since actually most of all of 2025 now. Can't believe it that I love it. You know, it's like kind of a homecoming for me because I always wanted to live in la. Never had visited. And then after college, I applied to some jobs out here and landed, like, my first job in la. Thought it was going to be my dream job. Had a week, moved out, had to live with some random roommates online, and I just fell in love. And I worked out here for a couple years up until the pandemic hit, and then my lease was up, and so naturally I was like, okay, I'll go quarantine in Florida with my family for a couple of months. And, you know, the story goes, it was a lot longer than that. So it took me some time to get back to the west coast, but I do feel like almost like I'm back home in a way.

[B]

Yeah. Do you think you could. Are you somebody? Could you ever live in cold weather?

[A]

No. I mean, I have. I did do New York for a couple of years, and that was brutal. And then being born in England, like, it's very, very chilly there most of the year, especially in the north. But I would prefer not to. If I have my choice. I would absolutely prefer, like, oh, I think a week of snow is great. Build the snowman, go skiing do all the like activities and then, yeah, I would love to come back to like a beach and be in a bikini on Christmas day. That's so fine with me.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. Joe always says, and I do agree, like, leaving Christmas day or the day after Christmas to go somewhere warm when you are living somewhere cold is a good feeling. It is.

[A]

But I guess it's also like the grass is always greener. Right. Because like then in return when you're in Florida, I have so many family members and friends that complain like, it's so weird that we don't have snow and like, we'd love to have a cold Christmas day. And it's like, you want what you can't have.

[C]

Yes, I do. Like a chilly holiday season. Like, I like snow.

[B]

I just want to leave. I just want to leave Christmas night. I want to leave Christmas night and then come back in April.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

End of April.

[A]

The new year doesn't need to be dark and rainy and cold for like the next couple months. I think the day after Christmas, like we should wrap up with all the cold.

[B]

Well, it is. I'm like, yeah. And like this is a nice time of year in New York. But like, still, it's like I was walking home yesterday and it was 4:15 and I'm like, it's. It's dark out. Like it's fudgeing dark out already. And I'm just like, oh yeah.

[A]

That's another thing is like seasonal depression is so real. And I think when I don't get as much sunset sunshine, maybe it's because I grew up like a lot in Florida where we had that. But something about not getting the sun is like, will put me in a funk.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I know. I agree. I need, I need more sun myself. I'm very pale right now.

[C]

Okay. Yeah.

[A]

Next to Serena, you're always going to be pale. I hate to break you. She's got that good tan.

[C]

You're never gonna catch up on this melanin. But last time we chatted with you, you had just enjoyed a lot of sun on Bachelor in Paradise and we caught up with you kind of mid season. You couldn't see, say everything, but we had an awesome chat.

[A]

That's right.

[C]

Let's just touch base quickly on like everything unfolded. You kind of had it out with Cat and we recently have seen posts that have confirmed Kat and Dale have likely broken up. Were you aware of this? What have you heard? Are you still interested in Dale? Where are we at with all of the this like love triangle esque situation?

[A]

That's that so funny. You know, I don't keep up with, like, what Kat and Dale have been doing post the show. So I. I don't know about their current relationship status. I'm not surprised if they have split up, but I think that's just, you know, I'm a. I'm a pretty big believer that in time the truth comes out, everything comes out. So. But, you know, I'm not one to, like, champion any breakup, so I wish them both the best if they did decide to go their separate ways. I don't have an interest in Dale anymore. You know, I think it was one thing on the beach in paradise, had we had the opportunity to. It was something I would have explored. But I think after the entire season and especially with him and the cat drama, I just don't think that the same guy who is going to date Kat is going to be interested in having a serious relationship with me. So for all intents and purposes, I date because I want a husband. I want to have kids, I want to start a family. And I'm really looking for somebody who is qualified and also wants that in return. So, yeah, I would say I don't look back moving forward, but that's not surprising to hear.

[B]

Are you dating anyone now? Are you currently dating, at least?

[A]

No, no. God, no. No. I wish I was. I'm just, like I said, like, I'm. I wouldn't say I'm picky. I'm just. I don't want to date just to date. Like, my time is valuable. I would rather spend my Friday nights on the sofa with my little sister or my friends or bagel then, you know, going on a first date if it's never going to go somewhere. And I think a lot of people date at this age just because it's fun. Like, I have a lot of friends who love to go out on the first date, and they like, they love to have that, like, you know, the first match.

[B]

I don't.

[A]

I don't like that. Like, I don't like getting to know. It takes.

[B]

Yeah, but, but, but how do you know if it's not going to go somewhere if you don't go on the date?

[A]

And that is the. That's the predicament I'm in. Because part of me, I'm like, my husband's not going to be at a sports bar at two in the morning on a Thursday. So, like, why would I go out? I don't care if I'm going to meet someone there. That's not my Future husband. But then my sister does argue with me. She's like, you got to put yourself out there to some degree if you want to meet someone. So, I don't know. I mean, I'm open to it. I just really haven't had any matches that have interested me whatsoever. And I think maybe I'm a little jaded from paradise experience, you know, getting to know someone and thinking that they're someone very different than who they ended up being. That was a little bit of a setback for me is in terms of dating. So I don't know if it's the walls or if it's timing or. I don't know. But no, I'm.

[B]

What about Hinge?

[A]

I am blocked off. Hinge. I got banned off Hinge. Couldn't tell you why. I don't know. I think just because I didn't go out on dates with some of the people I matched with, somebody must have reported me. And I emailed Hinge, and I was like, who reported me? And they're like, we can't. We can't say that. So I don't know. I think it was just, like, somebody with hurt feelings. And then I was like, I'm not going to beg to be back on Hinge. If I got banned from Hinge, I think that's a sign that, like, God saying, your husband's also not on there. So I'm on Raya. And, yeah, I mean, I go out occasionally, but it's tough. All the good ones are, like, either married at this age or, I don't know, not serious enough.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. I mean. I mean, it is. The dating. Dating world is the wild, wild West, But. But if you don't put yourself out there, then it's going to be hard. It's going to be hard.

[A]

I know. I do put myself out there. I'm one who, like, slides in the dms. I will, like, ask the guy out first if I'm interested. And honestly, I've seen some of the guys who I think might be on Taylor, Frankie, Paul, season, and if I'm right about any of those guys, then maybe that will open a whole different world of possibilities.

[C]

It looks like it could be a very good cast. It does.

[A]

And, like, they're older. Older. They are okay with having kids, obviously. And I feel like she's going for, like, a real man, like a cowboy man, and I like that. I haven't had. I haven't dated one of those before, so maybe that's. Maybe that's in my future.

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Okay, so question. Are you one of those people that starts your holiday shopping in like July?

[B]

July? I mean, no, never. Like I like to shop. Actually, I like to shop on Christmas Eve because I find it to be a little more festive.

[C]

But you like to start decorating right after Halloween?

[B]

No, after Thanksgiving. Okay, that's different. That's different. Halloween? No, not Halloween.

[C]

You know, I consider myself to be a pretty good gift giver. I've got my list and I've checked.

[B]

It twice, probably three times. She takes the holidays very seriously.

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Would you stand today with Sean?

[A]

I don't speak to Sean.

[C]

Oh, okay. We're not on speaking terms anymore.

[A]

No, not because of anything like happened that we're not on speaking terms. We just don't have a relationship relationship. I thought that Sean and I had created a relationship off of what was a friendship first and foundation, and that was kind of broken. And he did a lot of things behind my back that was unbeknownst to me. That really shocked me. And to be honest, moving forward, like, if I don't want a boyfriend like that, I don't want any friends like that either. So there's no like bad blood between us. I think we are just very different people looking for different things in friendships and in relationships. So, no, we don't have much like crossover or things to talk about. He wished me a happy birthday and every now and then, you know, he'll respond to a story here and there. But I'm not that interested in keeping that relationship open or moving forward.

[B]

I mean, that's honestly pretty, pretty common from the show. Just like people, like, they get close in paradise and then like, it's just like life happens, right? Like you live in different places, you realize you. You don't connect as well as you did in the scenario you were put in. And it's just like, okay, yeah, like no bad blood, but we're just not.

[C]

People that we're just not think.

[B]

Yeah, we're just not close.

[A]

I think there's also. It feels like there's almost like a double layer of relationships in Bachelor Nation as well. Which I really felt like after Bachelor in Paradise, because you get to know these real people and these people who are, you know, your, your castmates, whatever, on your co stars on the Bachelor or the other girls who are dating the same guy as you. Like, you get to know them. They're real people, they're real relationships. And then almost after the show, there is Like a social media or online relationships between people. And I felt like. I don't know.

[C]

I think.

[A]

I think there's a lot of people who go on the show who come off the show and are kind of still living in this, like, online reality or, like, care about the stuff that's being said online. And it's like, you know me, I would prefer to be, like, have a real relationship with someone, I guess is the best way of saying. I don't know how to articulate that in a better way. But, yeah, I think there's a lot of people who go on the Bachelor who are really concerned with their image. Image post airing, regardless of what their actual personal relationships are. And to me, that I don't really love that. So I think Sean kind of fell into that category a little bit.

[C]

If you could go on any of the other dating reality shows, is there anything you would be interested in doing?

[A]

Oh, God, I don't know. I think anything that would have a real shot at, like, leading to a relationship I would really be open to. I would really be open to another round at Bachelor in Paradise if we get another one.

[B]

I was gonna say I was gonna ask that because if, like, I need a redemption art, if there's some of Taylor, Frankie, Paul's guys that you are interested in, that would be. That would be the perfect match.

[C]

And I feel like they threw you down kind of as like a Potter wild card. Like, mid season. Like, you came in so late. You're the last person. It would be fun to see you down there first.

[A]

Yeah. Like, I was so excited for paradise because I was really excited to, like, date people and get to know people like what we just said. I don't go out a lot, so, like, for me, it's very rare to be in an environment where you're just solely focusing on that, and I'm being very intentional about that. So I was really excited to have that opportunity and really thought, like, I would meet a couple people that might. Might be a match that, you know, might turn into something serious. And unfortunately, like, just the timing of it, I don't feel like I went to Paradise. I came in two weeks late, and then as soon as the first rose ceremony, we got told it's now a game show and you're competing with the couple who you couple up with. So I don't think I got the dating.

[C]

We're on a competition show.

[B]

You definitely didn't do Our paradise that we did like it. No, it was very different.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And I think, you know, I think that you have better odds almost with a reality show like paradise, where there are multiple people all getting to know each other in what's more of a relaxed environment than like, the one on one Bachelor type shows. And even just, you know, statistically, like, you're more likely to find a match there. So I would be open to doing paradise again. That was a lot of fun. And I think I've learned a lot about myself and how other people can be on shows like that. So I think I would go into it with, um, probably, like, a very different mentality than previously.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Nice. Okay, well, speaking of reality shows, moving away from dating, we know that you were just on. Well, you're going to be on. You've just recently filmed this HGTV Bachelor mansion makeover show. What can you tell us about that?

[A]

Yeah, that. Way more exciting than dating shows because one hgtv. Like, that's so exciting. I grew up watching it. Love it. I'm an interior designer by profession. So.

[B]

Yeah, I was gonna ask. That is your. So that is your job.

[A]

Yes. Yes.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So, you know, going into it, I was, like, so excited because when it comes to my love life and dating. Yeah. I don't really have a clue how I'm gonna meet my Mr. Perfect or I'm very off track in that department. But when it comes to design and all things home, interior design and renovation, like, that is my sweet spot. So I was really excited to be tapped for that and asked to come on the show. I had no idea what was in store for us or what it was really going to entail, but I know the Bachelor Mansion desperately needed a makeover and a little bit of a facelift. So I knew we would be doing something to the really iconic Bachelor Mansion. And I think that's all I can say for now.

[B]

What is your interior design, like, style? Do you have a certain style that you can explain?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I hate that question in a way, because my personal opinion, any good interior design is never one style. It's a combination of multiple. And I think that's what makes design and interior designers really complex and meaningful and thoughtful. So I wouldn't just say one specific design. Style would be my taste. And I also say it really just depends on the project and the building. So for the Bachelor Mansion, for example, beautiful Spanish revival home and style, that would be. It doesn't matter if I love modern, clean everything. That would be crazy to come in and put that inside a home with those types of bones. So oftentimes. And why Jill was so useful for the show as well. You do look at the architecture of the building and the facade itself to kind of direct you and indicate what style is going to be mirrored on the inside. And then from there, I like to pull a lot of different things. I'm really loving maximalism right now. Um, I'm really loving Bauhaus, and I'm really loving brutalism. I would say Those are like 3 for 20, 26 that I'm exploring more and trends that are on the forefront of interior design.

[B]

What is brutalism?

[A]

Brutalism is a type of interior design style that is kind of revival now, but it's essentially design based off function. So things were never meant to be beautiful. They're meant to be functional and built like a machine. And so it was a very scientific approach to interior design, and now people are praising. It's kind of like a Kim Kardashian style house, where it's very minimal, A lot of stones, a lot of cold concrete textures, clean lines, and very natural material. So you see a lot of stones, a lot of woods, a lot of marbles.

[C]

Sounds almost contrasting to maximalism a little bit.

[A]

It is, it is. And that's why it's so hard to pick, like, one interior design style, because I think the best designs, they are a combination of so many.

[B]

Do you. Are you, like. Are you anti. Any colors? Like, if you were to design your own place is. Are you like, absolutely not. Like, there's no orange in my fucking house.

[C]

No way.

[A]

I'm all for, like, every single color. Time and place there's a right. I mean, part of my education and experience in design, I went to get my master's for interior design and architecture. And so in that you learned the importance of color theory and more than that, the psychology behind color and how important each color kind of plays a role in the house and in the space. And I think that's a big part of my approach to design, is thinking about how it's going to make a person feel when they're in that room. And color massively plays into that. So there's not one color that's off for me. But I would say purple is not my favorite. I, like, rarely work with purple.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

How do you feel like your experience with interior design helped you in this competition?

[A]

I mean, I was ready for this competition for sure. If anything, I wish.

[B]

You're one of the few people that are on this show that have competition experience, too.

[C]

What do you mean, like, having done the Paradise?

[B]

I mean, having done, like. And you really did. Paradise, the second half of Paradise.

[C]

So you, a lot of people on the show have only ever been on reality dating show.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I felt like, I said like, so much more comfortable. It's like, okay, I'm kind of in control of my own destiny here because I'm good at this. And you know, I didn't know what the outcome of going on the Bachelor or Bachelor in paradise was going to be. You hope that it's an end goal that you get to. But with this, I was like, I came in, I'm like, why? There's no reason why I won't win this show. Like, I can do this. I feel so confident. I know I'm good at this. I was also just excited to like share my ideas with such an iconic project like the Bachelor mansion. That's huge. You know, it's like, I'm pretty sure it's the most filmed home on television. On reality TV or something.

[C]

Surprising. They've really stuck to it.

[A]

Yeah. So, I mean, it definitely prepared me. It prepared me. But there's also things that you just cannot be ever prepared for when it comes to anything related to, you know, Bachelor and of course the HGTV show. There's some like twists and turns in the plot so you'll have to watch to see how it all unfolds. And so, yeah, I was prepared. As prepared as I could be going into it.

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[B]

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[B]

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Was there anyone that you were happy to see or enjoyed, like, meeting for the first time? Along with who?

[A]

Joan?

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I have like a girl crush on Joan. I love her.

[C]

She does have great style. Like she does. She always puts together like really great outfits. I feel like any clips they showed of her like in her home on her season, it always looked like really well designed.

[A]

Exactly. She was just such a joy to be around and like really made my HGTV Bachelor renovation experience so much better. Like I couldn't imagine doing it without her.

[B]

As someone who has their masters in interior design and you do it professionally, are you, are the. Are there ever like here? Like, for like, I believe that I am. Like, I could Be a good. Like I could.

[C]

Joe has a secret passion for interior design.

[B]

I do.

[C]

I do.

[B]

No, no.

[C]

Yes, I have. Yes, I have.

[B]

That's a lot.

[C]

That's not true.

[B]

I designed my. I designed my old condo that I no longer have, but I designed it myself.

[C]

And you know what? That photo has been passed around to, like, your cousin. Million other people. That pasta photo, everyone wants their hands on it.

[B]

I know. Oh, true, true. But, like, so someone like me who has, like, little to no experience. Right. Are you ever, like, impressed or surprised or by, like, seeing someone that doesn't know what they're doing, design an apartment or a home? Or are you always like, okay, this is amateur. This is amateur work?

[A]

Most of the time, I would say it does fall into, like, the amateur category. Just because there is. There's a science behind design and, like, there's principles that make a design a good design. Balance, harmony, rhythm, repetition. So there are certain elements that you can categorize and objectively look at and say, is this. You know, does this fall into, like, a good design? But I will say also, you know, some people are naturally born with an eye. And I think you're probably falling into that category, Joe, where, like, you've got an eye for design. That doesn't mean that you can see our.

[C]

He didn't do any of the. No.

[B]

Well, I didn't do this. I didn't do this. I didn't do this.

[A]

So I love that you're, like, very offended by, like, you can't. Your name's not on the design right now. Like, he's not attaching his name to this backdrop. But no, I would say there are people that do surprise me every now and then. And I think you get really fresh, cool ideas when you are coming from a place of perhaps less analytical background and more of just a creative mind that comes up with cool concepts. So it's a little bit of both, but it's also very. It's very difficult to. I think what's very difficult and was difficult with the show is when you're working with other people who don't have that background and experience. It's. You don't want to. I never want people to feel like their ideas aren't heard because creatively, I think ideas, everybody's ideas are equally as important. The execution of it is where I think an interior designer with a professional background and education in it will perhaps excel in, like, the execution, you know, right between, like, the idea and execution. Oh, for sure.

[C]

I mean, if we're on the show. If we're on the show together, you and I, like, I might be like, oh, I think this looks really pretty.

[B]

But also, what do you think?

[C]

I'm not an interior designer. Like, why would we go with my opinion over yours?

[A]

Situation like that. Yeah, but, you know, that's also, like, that's part of the show. And heads, definitely, but. And that was, I thought, the most challenging part, because obviously, coming from a background or I'm like, listen, I get paid to do this. This is like, when the show's done, I'm going back to doing this. No offense, for other people, but, like, I. It was important that my voice was heard. And that's a really tricky line to, like, kind of walk, because people do get their feelings hurt, and they do take it personally that, well, why didn't you like that color chair that I picked out? And it's not a personal, you know, opinion. It's just, this is professionally something my name's now going to be attached to. In the same way Joe doesn't want, you know, to take responsibility for the gnome and the. The leopard cheetah in the background. It's like, I don't want. I don't want my name to be. Especially as a professional interior designer. I don't want it to be attached to things that are really, really poorly executed.

[C]

Yeah. Or just even not your work.

[A]

Or not my work. Exactly. So it's hard when there's a lot of different cooks in the kitchen. You got. You got some crazy outcomes.

[B]

Would you ever work like that in the outside world? Like, do you have your own company or are you. Do you work for a company? Like, how does that.

[A]

I do. I have my own company. But you seldom work on your own. In any interior design project or architecture project, from the contractors to subcontractors, multiple designers, you have specialists depending on, you know, the stones. You're using kitchen bath tile. So I'm used to working with a lot of different people. I think the biggest thing is a lot of them who come from that industry, they don't take it personally. Like, we understand. If somebody told me, like, I picked a flooring, they're like, absolutely not. I wouldn't. It wouldn't like that. I wouldn't think about that ever again. Because it's just. You just can't be like that in this industry. And I think for a lot of people who haven't had. Had that. That experiences that I have, like, it was a little bit of a shock to them to hear, like, no, or we shouldn't be doing this or, you know, their idea is not necessarily, like, celebrated. So I'm used to working with a lot of different personalities. The difference is I'm not used to a lot of reality TV personalities.

[B]

I mean, that checks out and it's. It kind of goes in line with just like every other reality competition show. Like you always have. You have certain people or players on there that play the game, you know, as it. As it's a game. There's other people that go in there and they take everything you say personally. And that's essentially what makes a good reality TV show.

[A]

Exactly. And we have, I will say, like, the cast for this HGTV show coming up is really such an array of Bachelor Nation alums from decades and like, old, young, new, you know, professionals, novice. There's a really. It's a good hodgepodge of people, and I think that also makes for really interesting design and even better tv.

[B]

Yeah, we're looking forward to it. So, yeah, we're excited to watch. And, yeah, I think. I think that's it. Alicia, thank you so much for taking the time. It was a pleasure talking to you.

[A]

Of course. Thank you guys so much for having me back.

[B]

Of course. And to all our listeners, thank you guys for tuning in the Bachelor happy Hour. Make sure you download and subscribe to the podcast.

[C]

We will have new and exclusive interviews for you every single week. Thanks for listening. Bye.

[B]

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