April Kirkwood: ASKN is BACK! | Golden Hour

Summary

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Bachelor Happy Hour: Golden Hour

Episode: April Kirkwood: ASKN is BACK! | Golden Hour
Date: September 24, 2025
Hosts: Kathy, Susan
Guest: April Kirkwood (Golden Bachelor)

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of Bachelor Happy Hour: Golden Hour reunites Kathy and Susan with their fellow Golden Bachelor castmate April Kirkwood. With humor and honesty, the trio dive into dating after 60, friendship, personal reinvention, and advice for navigating romance and life’s new chapters—especially for "Golden" women. April brings her wisdom as a counselor, her signature candid storytelling, and plenty of laughs, while also reflecting on vulnerability, growth, and what really matters in love and friendship.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. One Word to Describe "Paradise"

• [05:47] Kathy: “April, one word. How would you describe your time in paradise?”
• [06:04] April: “Freeing. It was freeing for me. That’s the word.”
  • April explains her growth from her initial Bachelor experience (“I didn’t understand girls ... after being with Ralph for 21 years, I had forgotten what it was like to have girlfriends.”).

2. Adjusting to Life Post-Ralph and Newfound Friendship

• April candidly talks about relearning how to be with other women after so many years in a long-term relationship.
• [07:09] April: “So there I am with girls for the first time, like, in 21 years. I’m like, what the do I do with these?”

3. Relationships, Dating, and Navigating the Modern Scene

• April shares the challenges and surprises of dating at her age, including her experiments with TikTok and hilarious dating stories.

  • [10:11] April: “The craziest date I was on is when he decided he loved me and told me he loved me. The first date and I wasn’t even sure.”
  • When she tried to slow things down, her date bailed, using “I think I have a headache” as an excuse. “He gave me the best excuse not to go out with me. ... You’re taking my words!”

• The group reflects on shifting standards in dating, being attracted to authenticity, and retaining boundaries.

  • [12:43] April: “He was pretending to be spiritual. I really like that. He pretended.”
  • April describes the one man who used eyebrow pencil and curled his eyelashes and comments on the intersection of vanity and authenticity in potential partners.

4. Qualities Sought in a Partner

• [13:40] April: “I am looking for someone who is very powerful. Not money-wise. Powerful, that I feel safe with, that really sees me in all my flaws ... and will protect me.”

• The hosts and April joke about the fine line between protection and control, emphasizing the need for emotional safety and independence.

5. Starting Over in New York

• April describes her recent move to New York as “the hardest thing I’ve ever done besides Ralph dying.” She reflects on adapting to a new lifestyle, finding new routines, and missing her Florida support network (doctors, hair, plastic surgeon).

  • [20:29] April: “This was the hardest. Honestly, other than Ralph dying, this was the hardest thing I’ve ever done.”

• April enjoys being near her grandchildren and living by the water but is still adjusting and sometimes questions her decision.

6. Staying Connected with Bachelor Nation

• April keeps up with some cast members, including Parisa (“my favorite”), Leslie, and occasionally Nancy.

  • [23:05] April: “Parisa is my favorite. We talk a lot about mental health. She’s a counselor. I’m a counselor.”

• The hosts joke about memorable moments on Paradise (like the infamous body shot and “smelling the underwear” challenge).

  • [24:07] April: “People fall in love by scent, not from his underwear. ... More than any other place.”

7. The Dating App Experience & Age-Defying Romance

• April and the hosts reflect on dating younger men and laugh over changing standards of “young” (for April, 60 is now youthful).
• Susan shares she’s seeing someone younger (55 to her 68).
• The group explores initial attraction, chemistry, and how priorities (kindness, looks, fun) evolve with age.
  • [28:35] April: “I have to really want to rip your clothes off in the bathroom at the restaurant or ... I’m not gonna even date.”

8. Advice for Navigating Relationships and Emotional Conversations

• As a counselor, April discusses boundaries and not wanting to “therapize” potential partners.

  • [32:16] April: “I wait until we’re relaxed. ... This is not a first date usually thing, not a text. I hate texting. ... Do not text personal information. ... tell me about your family, tell me about your mom. For any of us, if we have issues with mom and dad, it’s a no-brainer.”

  • On keeping professional distance: “Do I want to be his shrink? Hell no.” ([33:40])

9. Female Friendships, Forgiveness, and Growth

• April opens up about rekindling her friendship with Kathy and Susan after a period of distance:
  • [41:00] April: “I had to make a decision way after a year ago ... I decided I was going to love you no matter what ... and that really hurt me because I really do love you.”
  • Kathy shares how the Bachelor experience brought her back her “happy” after feeling lost.

10. Empowering “Golden” Women in Dating and Life

• April offers heartfelt advice to “Goldens” (older women) about courage and resiliency in dating and beyond:
  • [42:37] April: “I want you to think about, ladies, your worst heartbreak ... how you got up and you rose to the occasion ... you are stronger than you know, more powerful than you know. And if your heart beckons you to take a chance, do it. But if you don’t want to, also, you have the power at any time to say no.”
  • On pacing and caring for oneself: “I only do one date a week, and I see that date through. ... I ease into it gracefully. ... Do one thing a day for yourself.” ([44:02])

11. The Influence of Bachelor Nation

• The hosts and April reflect on the impact their visibility has had, providing positive role models for older women.
  • [48:45] Kathy: “We, as a group of golden women, have ... given them the belief that all they have to do is get up to change their lives ... Life is not over. … There’s many chapters to life, lots of possibilities, and this is ... your best chapter.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• April on authentic attraction:
  "I have to really want to rip your clothes off in the bathroom at the restaurant or ... I’m not gonna even date."
  — April (28:35)

• April on heartbreak and resilience:
  "I want you to think about ... your worst heartbreak ... and how you got up and you rose to the occasion ... You are stronger than you know. You are more powerful than you know."
  — April (42:37)

• April on boundaries in relationships:
  "Do I want to be his shrink? Hell no."
  — April (33:40)

• April on female friendship:
  "I decided I was going to love you no matter what ... that really hurt me because I really do love you."
  — April (41:00)

• Kathy on the show's impact:
  "I am so grateful to the Bachelor franchise ... they gave me back my happy ... all those things. ... For me, it’s extremely gratifying.”
  — Kathy (47:42–49:32)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• First Impressions and Paradise Feelings: 05:47–08:09
• Navigating Single Life After Loss: 06:18–07:09
• April’s Dating Antics and ‘The Headache Excuse’: 10:11
• Qualities April Is Seeking: 13:40–14:18
• Life After Florida/Move to NY: 20:29–22:12
• Bachelor Nation Friendships: 23:05–24:52
• Dating App Experiences: 24:23–25:47
• Discussion on Age and Attraction: 28:35–29:53
• Relationship/Emotional Advice for Men: 32:16–34:56
• Advice for Women Afraid of Dating: 42:37–44:33
• Gratitude for Bachelor Nation: 47:42–49:32

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Episode Tone

The episode maintains a warm, playful, and candid tone with honest sharing, witty banter, and moments of vulnerability. It’s a celebration of mature women’s capacity for renewal, joy, humor, and self-discovery—with plenty of laughs and wisdom.

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For fans of Bachelor Nation and anyone navigating love and life in their later years, this episode is a testament to resilience, friendship, and the courage to start new chapters—no matter your age.

Transcript

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[April]

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[Susan]

Welcome back everybody to Bachelor Happy Hours Golden Hour. Thanks so much for joining us again. We're so excited to be back and boy do we have a good day coming.

[Kathy]

Oh my Gosh. But before that, check out our latest episode. We've been having so much fun answering your questions, chatting with your Bachelor Nation faze. Always fun.

[Susan]

Absolutely. Today we have a very, very special guest. And to Kathy and I, it means a whole lot to welcome from our season of Golden Bachelor. April's here. Hi, April.

[April]

Hi, April. I can't believe I'm in the room with both of you. Now, I've had my time with Kathy in paradise, but I haven't had my gig with. With you yet, so.

[Susan]

And wait, we're neighbors now, are we not?

[April]

You're in New York.

[Susan]

We gotta set something up.

[Kathy]

All right, well, hold on.

[April]

My first car accident. I have no idea where I'm going. I'm dating. It's crazy.

[Kathy]

Okay, wait, April, April, we cannot. We got. We gotta start one thing at a time here. First of all, we're gonna back it up.

[April]

We're gonna.

[Kathy]

We're so excited to see it. We're gonna get into it all, but we gotta start with first things first. One word. April, you know me, the English major in one word. How would you describe your time in paradise? Your experience? Just one word. Come on.

[April]

That's a good question. Exhilarating. Freeing. It was freeing for me. That's the word. Freeing.

[Kathy]

Freeing. Love it. I love that. Tell me why.

[April]

Because I was ready. I knew enough about the Bachelor by that point. I knew enough about what was going on. I had gone through a lot since I had been on the show that I was able to really let it out and just for once be myself. The first show, I think I was not ready. I was not over Ralph. I didn't understand the show. I didn't understand girls. I didn't understand that after being with Ralph For 21 years, I had forgotten what it was like to have girlfriends.

[Susan]

Because you shared that.

[April]

And we just hung out together. When you're just a couple, you go to dinner together. You go this together. I. So there I am with girls for the first time, like, in 21 years. I'm like, what the do I do with these?

[Susan]

What do I do with this?

[April]

So now I know what to do with this. And then when I went back to paradise and they put me with Katie in the room, I was like, well, how was that?

[Kathy]

How was it?

[Susan]

How was your relationship with her?

[April]

I love her. She and I have the same trauma. I was like, her mom. And in fact, she hooked me up with her mom, and she said, I want you to talk to my mom. And I said, that's the nicest honor. You could ever give me. And.

[Kathy]

April, you got to say, do you remember they said that you are what Kat's gonna be like? Kat's a younger version of you. And I think that's very true.

[April]

I hope she'll be better than me, but. Yeah, like, I'm there for her, but she is a lot like me. And she's impulsive, and sometimes she's blunt, and sometimes she doesn't think. And all those things that I'm still growing.

[Kathy]

We're not talking about me, April. We're talking about Kat.

[April]

You have made history out of not thinking.

[Susan]

Good.

[April]

That has become your claim to fame.

[Susan]

Okay, wait, April, I have to know. Were you hoping or expecting some new men of the Goldens to be there? What was your thought when you got there of who was there there was to choose from?

[April]

Honestly, what the hell am I going to do with this?

[Susan]

Exactly.

[April]

I was like, how do I make this work? I wanted to stay on. Of course. That's the point of the game. But also the point is to find love. And it took me about this long to figure out wasn't happening here, was not happening. She took Keith as a buddy, which was fine. You know, that's the way of life.

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[Kathy]

Keith was not interested in any of us where he one day be all of our friends.

[April]

But I think he told me right away, you live too far away. That will never happen.

[Kathy]

But can I just tell you in support of Keith, who I love, by the way, Keith said the same thing to Nancy when they had their conversation. And he said he learned from that experience that distance should not be a thing. So, you know, the moral of this story is you and Nancy may be getting phone calls from Keith, I think.

[April]

But I loved Keith. He was the one who helped me pick Jonathan. So no one was watching, and he was like, make history. Make history. And I thought.

[Susan]

I never expected less. I. Although I thought maybe you would have an interest in one of the younger guys, but what you did, it was.

[April]

Like, I'm just gonna go out with a young guy this weekend. I think I really need a young guy. I think that.

[Susan]

Yes, tell me. I see you on TikTok with the dating experience.

[April]

Well, I have a new story to tell. It's going to be on TikTok soon. And it gets even better. It gets even better.

[Susan]

And tell me the craziest date you were on. Except for the hiking one, which I already know.

[April]

The hiking one. The craziest date I was on is when he decided he loved me and told me he loved me. The first date and I wasn't even sure. And then.

[Kathy]

Is this a new guy? Is this a new guy?

[April]

New guy. And I'm just going to tell it. Screw it. So then when he told me he loved me, and then as soon as I told him, I'm going to back up a little bit. It's going too quick. I really just want to have fun. He was out of the game and he gave me the best excuse not to go out with me. This is something I would say. I think I have a headache.

[Susan]

Nuh. No, he did not.

[April]

Yeah. I was like, you have a. That's. You're taking my words. You know, I wouldn't even say that. It's like I have.

[Kathy]

I'm lost. April. Wait. I'm lost. You've. This guy you had one date with, he tells you he's in love with you, Right.

[April]

And. And. And well.

[Kathy]

And then now he doesn't want to go out with you because you said you don't want to rush.

[April]

I swear to God. And he was beautiful. He looked very nice. He fit all my boxes. I was like excited. People would walk up to us, I swear to God, not once, but three times. 2. Three different couples walked up and said, you look like the most beautiful husband and wife.

[Susan]

And we looked at each other. Good looking couple. Yes.

[April]

And then, then it happens again at the ice cream store and walk by a bench by the water and it says it again. And I think we did look good together. I just. One thing I noticed, girls remember this. Guys are reading everything we're reading. They know how to play the game. He was saying everything, right? Until slips came. Slip of tongue. Like in other words, I like dogs. He goes, oh, I love dogs. And then later on at a week or so, I said, you know, I'm interviewing. It's really important to me. I'm interviewing for dog sitters so I can stay out late. He goes, well, they're just dogs.

[Susan]

Yeah. Let the truth be told. Yes, yes.

[April]

So if you wait long enough.

[Kathy]

Oh yeah. The truth always finds its way to the surface.

[Susan]

You just mentioned that it checked everything off your list. What are the main qualities that you look for in a man?

[April]

He was. He pretended to be spiritual. I really like that. He pretended.

[Kathy]

Wait, can I just say this is so. April. He pretended. He pretending. No, I. No, I love it. It's so you go ahead.

[Susan]

He was trying to please you.

[April]

Yeah, Spiritual. He was very good. Oh, wait a minute. You're gonna love this. He's the only man I ever went out with that Put eyebrow pencil on and curled his eyelashes. He's the only guy I've ever went out that knows more new beauty treatments and. And plastic surgery. I kept looking. I was like, wondering if we really kiss, like, would our makeup smear on each other?

[Kathy]

Wait, wait. Inquiry minds want to know. Did you make out with them and did your makeup smush?

[April]

I didn't. I. Because I just. I could. I wanted to, but the eyebrows, that got in my way.

[Kathy]

All right, enough of the rejects. April.

[April]

What?

[Kathy]

Tell us about the good one. I want to know the good ones. Who are the good ones you're dating?

[April]

I don't know yet.

[Susan]

Tell me the qualities. What are you looking for? In a minute.

[April]

I am looking for someone who is very powerful. Not money wise, powerful, that I feel safe with, that really sees me in all my flaws. I do not always curl my hair like this. I did this for you, Susan. You're well.

[Susan]

Thank you, darling.

[Kathy]

What'd you do for me, April?

[April]

I showed up because I love you. Okay, So I. But really sees me and will protect me. And I know in the dark moments when I screw up, which I do, they're going to say, okay, let's fix this, but not control me.

[Susan]

Fine line.

[April]

Fine line from being someone who is there for you and is that big, beautiful, strong bear and will attack when asked, or someone who will let me kind of go through my waters and then I come home crying and they go, I'm here to talk about it. What? What? What could we do?

[Kathy]

Yeah.

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[Kathy]

So so I want to know when when you were on the show with us before you lived in Florida. I know you recently moved to New York. You're loving New York. Tell us a little bit. Clearly the men are better in New York. Tell us about the move. Tell us all about it.

[April]

The move was. This was the hardest. Honestly, other than Ralph dying, this was the hardest thing I've ever done. They don't take my health insurance here. They I have to find new doctors. I have to find new plastic surgeons. My lips messed up here. That's not cool. I have to. The dogs are not used to this. We're used to having our own backyard. I bought a beautiful condo. It's gorgeous. It looks like I'm in Pleasantville. The people are nice, but it's a little further out than I would want it to be.

[Susan]

Where are you exactly?

[April]

I am outside of Nyack. I'm on the Hudson Bay.

[Susan]

I walk.

[April]

I live near water. Every day it's on. I have a.

[Kathy]

A. That wind is gonna blow in the winter.

[Susan]

Are you ready for winter?

[April]

No.

[Susan]

No. But you're close to your grandchildren, right?

[April]

I love them. In fact, Piper is going to be auditioning for a dance or a play, and her mother sent me a video of the dance, and I'm like, think she was help teacher.

[Susan]

And I'm like, yes, yes.

[Kathy]

So you're gonna stay put. I mean, you. You don't. Sounds like. I can't decide. Do you love where you are or not?

[April]

I don't know. I'm.

[Susan]

She's only been there a minute. Right?

[April]

Right. I've also been here a minute. I still don't have anything. Like, I have a garage for New York, you know? You have a garage? I have a guest space. I have all my laundry. I have everything. It's two bedrooms, two bathrooms. It's as. Maybe as. Almost as big as yours, Susan, without the attached garage. My garage is underneath the building. But I don't. I mean, it's also. At my age, I really don't want to do yard.

[Susan]

Less is more.

[Kathy]

Oh, Susan, you say that, but you do your pool. You're out in the yard. You like doing it. Don't say less.

[Susan]

Keeps me busy.

[Kathy]

I keep saying to Susan, get rid of that house. Yeah, but you. You don't want to go back to it.

[April]

Don't let you have a house now.

[Susan]

Well, it's the house that I originally had. I came back from leaving the city, redid the whole thing and put a new pool in, new deck, everything.

[April]

The one that I knew before with you?

[Susan]

No, that was my condo in Philadelphia.

[April]

Oh.

[Susan]

And now with a corner property. And I mow the lawn and.

[Kathy]

Yeah, that's why I said. When she said less is more. Don't believe her. She's out there raking. She loves it. Okay, wait. I want to ask. Before we get back to dating and all this, I want to know who. Who do you talk to? Customers from Paradise.

[Narrator]

Do you.

[Kathy]

Who do you keep in touch with from Paradise?

[April]

Parisa is my favorite. Right. We talk a lot about mental health. She's a counselor. I'm a counselor. Leslie. I talked to. Who else? I try to catch up with Nancy, but every time we try to get together, she's with her kids or I'm with my kids. And honestly, I haven't done too much because I've been trying to get together.

[Kathy]

So what about Jonathan?

[April]

No, I think Jonathan's afraid of me.

[Kathy]

What about Sean? You did a body shot, for God's sakes.

[April]

I didn't know that was going to happen at all.

[Susan]

I was adorable. But wait, I have to tell you, smelling the underwear was over the top.

[April]

When she pulled it out, I go.

[Susan]

Oh, my God, she did not.

[April]

Because this is a fact from your counselor friend here. People fall in love by scent, not from his underwear. Well, I mean, more than any other place.

[Kathy]

Okay, moving right along. God, I love it. So you're. She's a smell person. Well, you're beautiful. You look fabulous. So what are you doing to occupy your time other than fending off men and decorating your.

[Susan]

Are you on a dating site? Is it a. Yeah, I'm on Bumblebee. Oh, yeah, they're always in New York.

[April]

Okay. Yeah, they're always in New York. I find the men nicer quality than in Florida, which is weird because most of those men go down to Florida.

[Susan]

I know, I know. They change on the way. Is that it?

[April]

I don't know what they do. Yeah, they're.

[Susan]

What do you miss about Florida?

[April]

Everything. I miss the. What do I miss? My plastic surgeon, all my people, my hair people.

[Kathy]

What else do you. Wait, you know, I'm going down this road. What the hell else do you want to do? You've got a perfect face now. You got.

[April]

I'd like to know they're there. I like to. You know, I was in love with all of them. I had a crush on my plastic surgeon.

[Kathy]

Well, you can go back to Florida if you want to get more stuff done.

[April]

I will. I'm going to go back and make an excuse.

[Susan]

There are great surgeons in New York City. You know this.

[April]

Yeah. Oh. You know what bothers me the most? And maybe you guys can help me. How do I learn to get to New York City? I'm afraid.

[Kathy]

I mean, I just. You take. You take the ferry across and you take the train from the. You just Google where is the closest commuter train into nyc?

[April]

Ferry right outside my house. So. Yeah.

[Kathy]

So you'll take that across. And if. And in the winter, if they stop the. And then you'll just take it to the closest town that has the commuter train in.

[April]

You know why three hot guys are down there that want me to meet them, and I really want to meet them. I mean, they're.

[Kathy]

We see April's Focus. One in New York City?

[April]

Yeah, one's from Paris. One.

[Susan]

Oh, he's so.

[April]

Oh, he's got long curly hair. He's just. I kind of like my guys a little rough. Not rough with me, but I mean, a little rugged. I don't want.

[Susan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kathy]

So who's the young when you have a date with April?

[Susan]

And how young is young?

[April]

How young? 60.

[Susan]

That's not young. What are you, 69?

[Kathy]

How old are you, April? 68? 69.

[April]

7.

[Kathy]

67. That's not young.

[Susan]

Mine's 55 and I'm going to. I'm 68.

[April]

No, tell me about that.

[Susan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[April]

So you go to this house and his house.

[Susan]

Yeah, he's here now.

[April]

Oh, he's here. Is he learning English? I heard that he doesn't speak much.

[Susan]

He speaks way better English than I do French.

[Kathy]

Susan, are you studying the French anymore?

[Susan]

A little bit. I can't get it. I could read it a little bit, but to speak it, no.

[April]

Bonjour. Au revoir, je suis. That's all I know.

[Kathy]

You gotta learn one, April. You can learn that one.

[April]

Oh, I know. Obviously she knows that.

[Kathy]

Hey, I studied French for five years. I could. I could.

[Susan]

I could speak to him in French, in Spanish and in English all at the same time. He gets one language right.

[April]

That should triple her men that are available.

[Susan]

I know, right?

[Kathy]

Let's talk this. This podcast, blessedly, is not about me and my dating life.

[April]

What is your dating life like?

[Susan]

Like that.

[Kathy]

Crickets. I mean, I just, you know, it's just I've had some dates, but. Yeah, I don't have.

[April]

True. For you. It is for me. I can pretty much tell in 15 minutes whether I'm attracted.

[Kathy]

No, five. Five minutes.

[April]

Can really tell.

[Kathy]

But I will tell you. I will tell you and I. Actually, April, I was going to ask you this. Looks. When. I mean, looks are important, but I'm at an age now where I. I want the guy who is kind, who's gonna spoil me rotten. He doesn't have to be the best looking man on the planet. Are you still has to be the best looking man on the planet, April?

[Susan]

No, not the best looking man, but attractive to me.

[April]

I still have to be attractive.

[Susan]

I have to be attractive.

[Kathy]

Well, no, of course you have to be attractive. But I'm saying, I used to just look at men and say, you know, if I didn't see my version of Adonis, he was out. I'm not like that anymore.

[April]

I am. I have to really want to rip your clothes off in the Bathroom at the restaurant? Or.

[Kathy]

Or you're not gonna even date.

[Susan]

I really want to kiss you. Like, I want to know. I want to kiss you, right?

[April]

I want to know that I want to breathe on you. I want to smell you.

[Kathy]

She knows. Susan. Susan, let me make this simple.

[Susan]

I get April.

[Kathy]

April has to know that. That she can rip off his underpants and sniff them and be attracted to him and then stuff his underpants in her bra. That's where we are.

[April]

When he did that, I was like, he's a good kisser. He was a good kisser. Or I haven't been kissed so long. Anything.

[Susan]

Anything is good, right?

[April]

No.

[Susan]

Tell me your favorite time on Paradise. Like, did you have a moment that you can't stop thinking about, or would.

[April]

You have done something different actually with Shawn's kiss? I have to admit, I keep going back because I keep thinking, if that kind of kiss can happen to me, it can happen again.

[Susan]

Nice.

[Kathy]

Would you date a guy that young? April, Seriously, would you? Yeah. You know how old is if I.

[April]

Wanted him and he was serious and he didn't mind my age?

[Kathy]

Yeah, he's like 31, 32.

[April]

No, I. I don't know.

[Kathy]

I mean, he's in his early 30s.

[April]

Fantasy. But if I had met, I wouldn't love anybody that I'm attracted to. I mean, I don't care if they're 85. I don't care if they're 25. I don't care if they were 35. If it was real, I would definitely get on somebody.

[Susan]

That excites you when you get excited to see them. I get it.

[April]

I'm not going to have any more children. I mean, I'm not going to marry somebody, but I would like to have a long term romance with somebody that.

[Kathy]

Would you get married?

[April]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

Oh, by the way, just to be clear, Sean is 28. You're still interested?

[April]

I don't think he really is, but I mean. And I realized too, why I like Jonathan. He looked. His body looked just like Ralph's. And he dressed just like Ralph. That night when I gave him that, he had khaki pants, a little black shirt. Black, of course, beautiful shoes. And I kept looking at him like there's something about him that I. You know, he's adorable. To me, he's real. And I. Not in a way, but I just. I was. I felt bad for him. He's gorgeous. I'm thinking to myself, I think he's gorgeous.

[Kathy]

Well, Susan, Susan, we're barking up the. Go ahead. I was gonna Say we're barking up the wrong tree or Susan, we need to start a dating service just for April. You and I are just gonna find him for April.

[Susan]

You did come on every week. You watched the rest of the show and Jonathan didn't feel connected to anyone. For me, that tells me that's a problem within.

[April]

Right. He has issues. And maybe that's why I was attracted to him too. Because guys who have issues and I want the therapist.

[Kathy]

The therapist comes out. All right, well, speaking of that, Speaking of that, Ms. Counselor, we're going to move into our advice portion of the episode and we're going to kick things off with our question of the day. April, of course we want your thoughts on it. So here we go. Ready? It's no secret, April, that men are more closed off when it comes to talking about their feelings. How do you go about addressing your male partner when it comes to their mental health or emotional touchy subjects?

[April]

I wait until we're relaxed. I wait until they're open. This is not a first date usually thing, not a text. I hate texting. I think everything gets misinterpreted. We've been through that ourselves as girls together even not good thing. Do not text personal information. Do not ask for it. I would say tell me about your family, tell me about your mom. Because for any of us, if we have issues with mom and dad, it's a no brainer. We know it's a no brainer that's there.

[Kathy]

Or you know, wait a minute, wait a minute. If he's, if they have issues with their mom and then is he a no go for you?

[April]

No, I just want to know. He's not going to say he has issues with his mom. He's going to tell me a story.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[April]

And from the story I'm going to extract information that maybe I want to keep and maybe I don't. I never want to make anybody feel as a therapist or the girlfriend or with you. I really don't want to make anyone feel uncomfortable.

[Susan]

And it takes time to get to the point where, where he is at is anything touchy, you know, emotional wise, you get, you got to feel it like and get to know him before you.

[April]

Also I gotta feel if I'm attracted to them.

[Kathy]

But April, wait.

[April]

Do I want to be his shrink? Hell no.

[Kathy]

But that's exactly where I was. That is exactly where I was going. So you, you are a counselor, but you also want to have a relationship with a guy. So how does that work? How do you in your dating separate, you know, Wanting to therapize them. I just made up that word.

[April]

I try to not do it because men don't like it. Nobody. I try not to even say, I'm a therapist. I mean, you know, if you want to scare people, just go, I'm a mental health. The guys are like, I'm just a beautiful blonde. Yeah. I'm just here to have fun, love you and have what way you like to do it? I'll tell you mine. If you. You know, that's another thing. I mean, we're all, at our age, both male and female, playing the game. We know what to say and what not to say. I like to just go and find the real person. So really tell me. You know, maybe ask a question. What really do you love? Or. But I wouldn't ask them too quickly. Like, I didn't ask anyone on paradise. Like, what's really broken your heart? No, I mean, this isn't.

[Kathy]

Well, you weren't interested really in anyone in Paradise. But. But, I mean, were you or were you?

[April]

I want. No. Oh, God.

[Susan]

How could she be?

[Kathy]

Well, let me just say I. She made out with Jack in the pool and then. And then sent him home like a slingshot.

[April]

I know, I know. I did that.

[Kathy]

I know not. Hey, no judgment.

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[Kathy]

I was so glad that we rekindled our friendship on Paradise.

[April]

I really love you guys.

[Kathy]

We still love you. You and I really hadn't talked. Well, you hadn't talked to Susan either, but I just want to put that out there that I loved. I love spending time with you on.

[April]

Paradise but also with Kathy and you and Nancy. I had to made a decision way after a year ago which we weren't even talking. I decided I was going to love you no matter what as I'm in the whole time. Right? Right. Yeah you did. I want to send you an air kiss because I was leaving somewhere and you said to me you didn't kiss me goodbye and that hurt me and I never went back so I don't forget anything you say and that really, that really hurt me because I really do love you and I thought, you know why wouldn't I do that? And I was just hurt and confused.

[Susan]

It's all learning experience.

[April]

Well, and I'm still confused how Bachelor.

[Susan]

Functions and off the show and sharing with me how you reunited and everything's good. It warmed me. It really did.

[Kathy]

Yeah, I was so. I tell you, that was a highlight for me, April.

[April]

I love being on that show. I love everything about it.

[Kathy]

Me too.

[April]

I love. I think all three of us will say we love Bachelor.

[Kathy]

Yes.

[Susan]

Okay, April, now we'd love to know what advice you have for Goldens that struggle to put themselves out there when it comes to dating. We get so many write ins from Goldens that aren't comfortable with dating apps or feel nervous about dating in their small towns. What advice would you have for them?

[April]

I want you to think about, ladies, your worst heartbreak, and I want you to picture it in your mind. And I want you to think about how you got up and you rose to the occasion with tears, heartache, stumbling, falling. You got through it, and now you're a stronger woman. You are stronger than you know. You are more powerful than you know. And if your heart beckons you to take a chance, do it. But if you don't want to, also, you have the power at any time to say no. I mean, we all keep telling all of us, say yes, say yes, say yes. And some of us have been saying yes our whole life. Yes, I'll do this for you. Yes, I'll put up with this. Yes, I'll forgive you. Yes, I'll do this. Yes, I'll do this. And I'm like, the first time I said no to Ralph, I was like, you felt powerful. Yeah. He didn't say anything. He did it. I should have been saying no a lot longer. So take your power and follow your intuition. Your intuition is never wrong. Even if it looks like a failure. It's not. It's a lesson.

[Susan]

But if they're not comfortable with dating apps, how would you. Would you encourage them?

[April]

I only do one date a week, and I see that date through. It might last three weeks. It might last. It might be talking on the phone. Also, I do a date online on Zoom or on FaceTime. If I'm not comfortable, I ease into it gracefully. I am easing into living in New York like a baby dipping into water. I'm not going all over the place right now. I'm not. I'm just doing one thing a day for yourself.

[Kathy]

I love that.

[April]

Know your value. If you've had a breakdown, if you've had a heartbreak, I Always tell my clients, do one thing, write it down and it might be minuscule to some people. It's a big lead.

[Kathy]

You know what I just have to say and I love that people our age, April that you say think about the worst thing and you get up and you're strong. Because I feel that way. I've lived other than losing a child. I personally, I think I've suffered the worst loss.

[April]

I think you have.

[Kathy]

And I think when you said that it warmed my heart. So thank you for saying that.

[April]

And you know and I know you intimately and not that intimately.

[Narrator]

Everybody.

[April]

I know that you have your triggers and that's okay. I have triggers. I and think it'll be a good learning lesson.

[Kathy]

Okay, April. What we're going to have to wrap it soon, but I want to know.

[Susan]

Do you have any questions?

[April]

And girls, we talk all but we've.

[Susan]

Got to ask you so many questions. We're going to floor.

[April]

First of all, I want to be invited to your next whatever.

[Susan]

That was a one time thing we did with Gary's daughters.

[April]

Christina, I want to be invited.

[Susan]

Okay, I'm going to see you soon because I'm right outside of New York. Okay.

[April]

And I want to say this, girls, I love you. I praise you, I appreciate you. You are God's child. Great things happen to you. Nothing can stop it. It. And so it is. I wish you the best.

[Kathy]

Wait, we're not done yet. We're not hanging up here, girlfriend. Let your curls settle on your shoulder. Okay, take a breath here. I want to. We want to know if you have questions for us though. Like, I mean don't. You must have something you want to know that you've been dying to ask us one. The other that now is going to be on national podcast. I don't remember. April.

[April]

I can't even about.

[Susan]

Do you have any questions?

[April]

The two girls that most people envy.

[Kathy]

April, I. I would. I would. My answer is. I agree with you. Susan and I have had a lot of opportunities for me and I didn't realize this until. As time has gone on, it's become more and more clear to me. Number one, I am so grateful to the Bachelor franchise. I didn't realize how lost I was and unhappy I was. And they gave me back. I would say they gave me back my happy. I am grateful for every experience. The friendships, not just the women and the guys from the shows, but the producers, the directors. I don't think they really know all of them. How much they've changed my life and brought me back to Feeling like a total human being. So while, yes, I understand people may be envious or whatever, I hope they also realize that I was in a really lost place. And this was a gift for me.

[April]

And it was meant to be. And you're right where you're supposed to be.

[Susan]

For me. It was how I. How the fans saw me, my unapologetically, authentically Susan. And it worked. And a lot of real people out there admired who I was.

[April]

Well, you are both. You two girls are large, in essence, big mouths.

[Susan]

We know.

[April]

But I mean, well, you're tall, too, which looks great on tv, but your essence, your power, your energy is.

[Susan]

It's the energy.

[April]

Yeah, it's the energy that's magnifying you when you walk in and you laugh or say something cute. You are big.

[Kathy]

You are big. But, April, let me say one of the things. You're on the right track also. But there people don't realize that. And you're in this too, girlfriend. We, as a. As a group of golden women have. I think we've given a gift.

[April]

I.

[Kathy]

Yes, I've had a huge gift from Bachelor, but I think we've given a gift back to men and women of a certain age because we've given them the belief that all they have to do is get up to change their lives and make their lives better, that it's in their court. You know, life is not over all those things. You know, there's many chapters to life, lots of possibilities, and this is. Make this your best chapter. It sounds like, you know, something out.

[April]

Of Rod McKeown, but I just think that you guys are a powerhouse, and I'm glad to be part of it, and I'm glad that golden Bachelor is alive and well, but.

[Kathy]

No, you're part of it too, April.

[Susan]

Yes, ma'.

[April]

Am.

[Kathy]

People look at you and think the same thing. We all. That's what I'm trying to say. As a group, we have changed people's lives. And that, for me, is extremely gratifying.

[Susan]

And I hate to do this, ladies, but that does it for this episode of Bachelor Happy Hour's Golden Hour.

[Kathy]

We love it. Thank you all for joining us.

[Susan]

Thank you.

[Kathy]

Be sure to follow Bachelor Happy Hour. We have new episodes coming out every week you don't wanna miss. If you enjoyed April, you got more coming.

[Susan]

Make sure to keep submitting your questions to us. You can go to bachelornation.com golden hour or DM us on Instagram @ Bachelor Happy Hour.

[Kathy]

Listen to Bachelor Happy Hour's golden hour on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Until next week. Take care.

[Susan]

See you then.

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