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Bailey Brown: Public Misconceptions and Never-Before-Seen Moments from ‘Paradise’ | Happy Hour
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Bailey Brown
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Rachel Lindsay
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Rachel Lindsay
Hello, everyone, and welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Rachel.
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Charity Lawson
And I'm Charity. And today we have a very special guest guest from Grant season of the Bachelor and last season of Bachelor in Paradise. Everybody, welcome Bailey to our podcast. Hi.
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Bailey Brown
I miss you guys. You guys look so beautiful.
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Charity Lawson
I miss you. I'm like, I'm sad that you're not in New York, but we won't talk about it.
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Bailey Brown
I know it's sadness, but, like, I will. We will be back, you know, visiting.
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Charity Lawson
Yeah. In due time. In due time.
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Jacob Goldstein
In due time.
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Bailey Brown
And do time and do fine.
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Rachel Lindsay
Bailey, you look so beautiful. And we have so many questions, but let's get into, I mean, life. Post paradise. You.
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Charity Lawson
Yeah.
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Rachel Lindsay
Came into the Bachelor world. You were already a social media influencer. How has that changed since Paradise?
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Bailey Brown
It's very funny because I feel like actually since paradise, I have almost, like, barely posted.
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Rachel Lindsay
I feel that sometimes.
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Charity Lawson
Sometimes it happens that way.
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Bailey Brown
Honestly, I think, like, and maybe a lot of people can attest this that have like, gone on the show, but after, I, like, kind of needed just, like, a mental break and, like, a mental refresh, and I think it got so overwhelming. I think just having a lot of opinions, a lot of voices, a lot of things to kind of, like, keep up with. So I'm getting back into, like, posting again, which is really nice because it's always just, like, been a huge passion of mine and something I've, like, genuinely very much loved doing. So now I'm back getting back into pre Bachelor world of where I was, like, posting every single day. And it's been nice. Like, I feel like it's a big part of, like, finding yourself finding, like, a really good creative outlet that you enjoy so slowly but surely, you know? You know, we. No, we get it.
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Rachel Lindsay
It is crazy how they. It, of course, is amazing for the platform, and you do so many things with your platform, but it does stifle your creativity in a way, just because it could be so much all the time.
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Charity Lawson
Yeah. What do you feel like is like, probably the biggest misconception that you probably felt like you either had to defend or just, like, you wish people understood more about just, like, social media in general. Because I do remember specifically, like, on Grant season when you were like, oh, just kidding. Take the selfie of me. Like, it was so cute. I thought it was a cute bit. But, like, you know, in this day and age, everyone's so sensitive to certain things. Yo. I was like, oh, okay.
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Rachel Lindsay
I liked it. So, like, clearly there's some, like, take A picture.
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Charity Lawson
Right. But, like, clearly there's some, like, you know, misunderstanding or misconception about, you know, being an influence or whatever. So give us a little testament to that.
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Bailey Brown
Yeah, it's so funny that you asked that because I feel like that's literally what was on my mind. Like, after coming off of, like, grand season, everyone, I think, kind of interpreted especially episode one of me as like, being someone that's overly confident, very self absorbed. I don't think they really, like, got my sense of humor. I think they kind of, like, it maybe went over people's heads a little bit because I was like, oh, that's not what I was giving at all. Because every single person in my life that has known me, like, even people from, like, elementary school were like, no, this is like, very much Bailey. Like, I've always been very much been like, unapologetically myself. But I think sometimes when it feels like you have, like, a very hard exterior or like, you don't really have depth.
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Charity Lawson
Yeah.
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Bailey Brown
Then, like, then you're very quickly shown, like, crying. It's like a very unbalanced, you know, emotional state in that way. So I think going from Grant season, coming off people being like, oh, she's very conceited. She's, like, very self absorbed, or like, kind of even interpreting it as like, I was in it for, you know, the platform when, like, I. Everyone has a different reason of how the show finds them or like, if they apply for the show. I'm like, guys, I didn't apply. Like, I, they. They found me. And I, like, really thought long and hard about it. And I didn't even sign the contract until like, a night. Then literally the night before I agreed to go. So it was like, very last minute. There wasn't, like, all this thought put into it of, like, you know, oh, this is gonna do, you know, whatever it's gonna be. And then I think coming up in paradise, it was kind of. It like flipped a switch in that way of people interpreting it as like, I have low self esteem or I'm, like, very wishy washy or. And like, I think that's a very hard thing sometimes when both kind of feel very incorrect about who you are. And I think that's also kind of the beauty of where I'm like, finding my own voice on my, like, platforms now, of where I'm like, trying to show more of who I am. Because I feel like sometimes when people kind of like, put a label on you where you're like, wait, that's literally not me at all like, right. I've actually never. I'm like the complete opposite of low self esteem in that way. Like, my mom would like literally smack me if she thought I had low self esteem because she literally like, girl, you can't do anything if you're gonna let other people, like, decide who you are. And I mean, and that's a big thing, like, about the show. Like, you really don't want to come on this show. Obviously you, I think, do in a way get a little bit of low self esteem because you're not used to having all these people's opinions about you.
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Charity Lawson
Absolutely.
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Bailey Brown
But I think it is also nice because you have friends that are also going through that. So it's a really good support system in that way too. But, like, you don't want to go on the show if you're kind of feeling insecure. And I think that sometimes people translate it. And I hate when people, like, say horrible things about contestants because I'm like, you just like, don't know anything and you're totally interpreting their. Even when I feel like people are shown correctly, it's very interesting to like, see how other people just completely interpreted that in a different way of like how you kind of saw it. And maybe that's because I'm like, reading into it more now that I've been on the show. I'm like, no, I see this and this. I see why this was highlighted. Like, I see why this goes along with their story and how it is very valuable. And I think I also, like, do see the jokes of it too. I think sometimes people are scared to like, be like, oh, no, that's like a silly joke. And, you know, take things very seriously. And I think sometimes, like, life is fun and like, the show is fun. You know what I mean? And so, yeah, I think that was like a very interesting misconception for me at least, because I was just like, oh, I didn't get that. Yeah, yeah. I was like, oh, am I missing? Am I watching something else? But yeah, that's what it is.
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Charity Lawson
We're always watching something else.
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Rachel Lindsay
We're always watching something else.
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Charity Lawson
We're in two separate worlds from these people.
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Bailey Brown
Oh, my God. Like, even when I watch my friend, they're like, you look amazing. And they'd be like, no. I'm like, what do you mean?
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Charity Lawson
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Rachel Lindsay
Coming off of paradise, you said that you saw a bunch of comments. You are going from watching yourself back straight into navigating a public relationship. What was that like, post paradise and seeing all the Comments?
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Bailey Brown
Yeah, I feel like. And I mean, I know just like, you guys probably have also dealt with this. I know everyone has, like, the comments really get to you accidentally, even if you are very strong. And I. I feel like I do have a very, like, tough exterior to, like, handle those kinds of things. Because, like, if you've posted before, even if you haven't, like, you've had, like, I don't know, you get online hate no matter what. Even if you literally have 100 followers, it doesn't matter what number of followers, there's always someone that's, like, hating on you. And so I feel like just navigating those comments and seeing things I think feel so different than what is, like, really happening in. In, like, real life. And I do, like, also slightly understand sometimes where people are coming from. I think, like, people feel really connected to you, and whether they, you know, have, however they personally, like, understood that or, like, took that information in, they're also then, you know, like, they. I get it because, like, their voice deserves to be heard. Like, you're, you know, you're interacting with me like, you're keeping up with my life. Like, you're, I guess, maybe concerned about things or, you know, wanting this for me or wanting that for me. But I think also, like, when you choose to like somebody, whether it's on a show or, you know, even on social media, it doesn't matter. It doesn't have to always be like the Bachelor, but I think you also have to trust, like, who they are and, like, why you like that person and just, like, feel comfortable, confident, and that they wouldn't purposely put themselves in, like, a bad situation. And I think also what maybe you think. I think obviously, even with social media, like, you're never really getting the full story. So whether you've, like, seen a clip and you're like, oh, this is, this is this and this, like, even going back from Grant and people interpreting multiple things a certain way, you don't really have the full story because there's not really enough time to have the full story. So I think that is a really important thing for people to really keep in mind with these things. And so, yeah, it's been hard. I think everyone that's taken a relationship off the show or even taken their relationship publicly just on social media, like, it is a lot to process, and it is a lot to take in. And I think the biggest thing is to really, like, listen to your partner and, like, listen to the people that are around you that you trust. And I'm like, okay, if I like him, if my mom likes him, if my best friends like him, like, that's really what matters. Not necessarily. I'm like, people will kind of take in information as you give it to them, and then they'll kind of just be like, oh, it actually wasn't that deep. Or, like, it didn't. Things this didn't matter. Or, like. And, you know, there's always cases where sometimes it does. And I can't speak to every single circumstance and relationship, but it is obviously hard. Like, it's hard navigating your own life outside of the show. It's also hard navigating kind of a more public relationship. It's like, yeah, been away from each other for two months, and because he's been traveling, I've been. You know, I'm dealing with myself. Like, I'm doing therapy. Like, I'm getting my life in order, and people are always like, what's going on? And I'm like, guys, it's really ridiculous.
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Charity Lawson
It really is. Like, it's so ridiculous.
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Bailey Brown
Like, guys, can I just, like, do a little therapy and, like, get.
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Charity Lawson
Let me be the first to tell you, it's ridiculous. Like, it's so crazy to me.
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Bailey Brown
This is my page. So, like, right.
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Charity Lawson
Hello? Did you forget? Wait. Okay, so I'm curious to know, because I'm, like, obviously with Rachel asking that, and, like, we all have gone through different moments of, like, where comments or just social media in general has, like, affected us, especially with being in a relationship and coming out of, like, the Bachelor in a relationship, it's, like, tenfold. I feel like it's insane. How do you feel like you and Jeremy support each other? Like, especially coming right off of Paradise? I'm sure it was, like, very intense. And then obviously, over time, people, like, they just. They get the picture. It's like, okay, like, we're doing what we need to do for ourselves. Yeah, this. This works, like.
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Bailey Brown
Yeah, that's a good question, too. I feel like the way that we really support each other, I mean, especially I think during when the show was airing and after, I really did take things a little more personally than, like, I expected to. And I think I was also just, like, processing all of it. Like, it was just a lot to process in that time. And I think that's when I was really super thankful for him because he really wasn't, like, really worried about his comments. He was more worried about, like, how I was processing my comments. And, like, I mean, I think, you know, you got to give your partner what they need in that moment. I think a lot of the times, like, I was like, all right, let me, like, take myself out of this and like, yeah, try to support him. I think he really focused in that moment, just making sure that, like, I felt supported and that, like, I wasn't feeling like, you know, alone and like, that. I just, you know, we obviously, we had a lot of really honest, open conversations after, like, leaving paradise, which I think is really important as to why. And I think. I don't know if every bachelor couple necessarily does this, but, like, you know, when you go off the show, I think it's sometimes really important to restart your relationship in real life, not from show life. Because, like, as much as we would love for it to be like the relationship you formed in the show, it's like, you don't have a phone, you're with each other 24 7. You don't really have real issues and real problems. And so I think, like, being able to come into the real world and be able to process that, have those conversations, watch the show, handle the comments. And I think that also was a really tough time for where I feel like now we're like, in this really easy, smooth sailing because, like, even if something big does happen, or like, there's times where, like, I miss my dad so much or like, whatever it is, you know, I feel like he really understands how I, like, operate emotionally, like, how to calm me down or how to help me feel more level headed. I feel like that is also really important. And he does a really good. I mean, we are both Tauruses, so I feel like we kind of understand how each other works. And he's very big on communication where sometimes, like, I'm an April Taurus, he's a Mateaurus. And there's like a difference because I'm like, no. And I don't have an eldest daughter, so I feel, yeah, there's a difference. Like, I think sometimes, like, depending on the hierarchy of your family or whatever, like, I think these women want to, like, keep things in and we want to process them. And he's just like, he doesn't operate that way. He's a middle child and he's like, no, like, we need to talk about it. Like, we need to, like, process this now. Because he doesn't, like, want me holding on to, like, animosity or things. Like, even if it's something small, Like, I think, yeah, it has been good for me because it forces me to be a better communicator. Whereas, like, there's times where I Think in past relationships, I've been like, no, I need to keep this in. I need to process it, and then we can speak about it where it's, like, kind of handling it in the moment, because, like, I am. And that's the thing about a Taurus. Like, we will literally hold on to things. Like, I hold on to grudges. Like, I still have grudges from middle school. School that I have. Literally.
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Rachel Lindsay
Taurus are stubborn. Yes. Yes.
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Bailey Brown
And I think I'm like, I gotta let that go. It's the truth. Like, I'm like, oh, Sometimes there's things where I'm like, yeah. And he's like, let that go. And I'm like, all right, fine, whatever you say. But he has done a really good job, I feel like, of supporting me and giving me what I need in that moment. And, you know, I really hope that I'm also, like, giving him that when he needs it as well. But it's been a lot of, like, good support. And I honestly can't imagine, like, even coming off of getting, I guess, maybe hate or comments or whatever.
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Charity Lawson
Yeah.
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Bailey Brown
Grant season, I was really grateful to have, like, my friends from Grant season. I feel like it's even more support, like, being able to have your partner. And I honestly, like, probably wouldn't have survived both without, like, the girls that I met and also, like, without him. I feel like it does just, like, get on you a lot. You know what I mean? And also, like, I think a lot of other, like, cast members, like, they reach out to you, they check on you. And I feel like that was also, like, so important for me too, of just, like, you know, knowing that I was supported. And, yeah, it was really nice. So I feel like I got a lot of good love and support, and he did a really good job of making sure, you know.
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Rachel Lindsay
Yeah.
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Rachel Lindsay
I was thinking about this the other day. What's something that you'll always say yes to?
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Charity Lawson
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Rachel Lindsay
Same. And somehow every one of these memories comes with something to plan.
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Charity Lawson
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Bailey Brown
Yeah, it's so funny because I was like. Like, I can't. I think when you're there, sometimes you're like, I don't know what this is going to look like outside of this. And I.
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Rachel Lindsay
And I'm sure you had no idea what was happening.
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Bailey Brown
Oh, I had no idea. I mean, like, I really went into paradise, and I was like, like, I'll be there for two weeks. Like, I wasn't expecting to be there for the entire time. So I think that was, like, a process in my head. But really, like, getting to know him in the real world has made me, like, love him so much more than the person that, like, you know, I was really, like, really liking when we were there. But getting to know him in the real world has just made it so much better and so much more real. And he really is just. I know sometimes, like, I think the way he is shown or the way he looks even on social media, like, it's more of like, a, like, you know, very serious, a harder exterior, and he is, like, very much a teddy bear and.
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Charity Lawson
No, I was gonna say Jer bear.
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Bailey Brown
He's literally actually Jer Bear. And, like, I try not to, like, give him Jin's nickname, but he really is, you know, he is Jerbear. And I'm like, you're actually, like, very sweet and very endearing, and I knew he was a good listener, but he's very thoughtful, and he puts a lot of thought into, like, the things that he does for me and the things that we talk about and the things that we prioritize or, like, if I mention something, like, he remembers it, and I have the worst memory ever. So, like, when he mentioned something, I'm like, all right, I'm going to write that down for. I don't know what I need.
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Charity Lawson
No, literally, I'm like, I have to start doing that, too. I'm like, my man, it's so bad.
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Rachel Lindsay
I'm like, save this for later.
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Bailey Brown
Remember that? Or, like, anything I tell him, he holds on to that information. And I feel like that goes into a lot of, like, I don't maybe had never really experienced thoughtfulness in that way of someone, like, worrying about you and just getting to know him. I Feel like he's actually genuinely made me a better person. I mean, physically, because I've actually been drinking water every single day and, like, eating protein.
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Charity Lawson
I know that's huge. Good for you.
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Bailey Brown
I mean, he's great. Like, he literally works out. I'm like, you know, he has to move his body every single day. He has to eat his protein and he has to do all these things. But I think in a way, I was kind of missing that structure that he has and the way how disciplined he is. And I feel like that has, like, really been good for me because I feel like, you know, your partner really should, like, make you a better person or, like, inspire you to want to be a better person. I don't know if make you a better person's right word, but inspire you to want to be better. And they should really, like, add value and add, I think, goodness to your life. And I feel like in so many ways, he has not just, like, emotionally, but, you know, in all aspects of just, like, the way I view things. And he also is really a person. Like, I'm going to say, like, I'm definitely a materialistic person. I've always have been. I'm a Taurus again. It's like a thing. Like, I just, like, I love that. And it's really nice having somebody that is, like, it doesn't really matter. You know what I mean? Like, he would be like, he's literally in Thailand. He went and slept in a cave, like, two weeks ago. Was like, I love that. And I'm like, oh, my God. That I couldn't even imagine sleeping in a cave without my phone for three days, no service. I can't watch TikTok. But it has been really good because I'm like, that's kind of the. Like, that's the balance that I needed in my. That I need in my life. Like, I don't want to have somebody like, where we're both, you know, and we have our moments. Like, we watch, like, shows all day and we'll, like, do that, and that's how we'll unplug sometimes. And then he also kind of inspires me to, like, get out of my comfort zone. And so there's so many ways where he's, like, adding to my life, and I'm just like, really, you know, I wouldn't have expected. Expected this relationship to, like, come to fruition from paradise. And so I'm like, I feel like that's a really a meaningful and meaningful, like, way. And I think even, like, a testament sometimes. To, like, bachelor and to paradise. Because I feel like it does bring people into your life that maybe you wouldn't have necessarily, like, run into or seen the connection and the way that, like, your relationship could flourish and sound like how we. Like, we wouldn't have met, you know, maybe we would have, like. I don't know.
- [27:22]
Charity Lawson
Yeah.
- [27:23]
Bailey Brown
But I think it did really, like, open my eyes and make me think differently about the kind of partner that I want, like, in my life and the person I want by my side and things like that. So, yeah, it's been really amazing. Like, I think being able to really be in the real world and not be, like, in paradise world as well. There's. There's beauty that is in paradise. Like, no phone, like, so attentive. But, you know, I'm finding balance with it. It's all about balance.
- [27:48]
Charity Lawson
No, for sure. I will say it's also probably a testament it too, because I'm like, you got him to move out of New York. Which I'm like. And I don't want to say you got him, but, like, obviously he did it for, like, the greater good. But I'm like, I wish you guys were still here, but can you guys give us an update on, like, where you guys are planning to, like, you know, lay your roots? You don't know yet? Still figuring it out. Like, how has that process and journey been?
- [28:13]
Bailey Brown
Yeah. Okay. So honestly, the process and journey has been, like, all over the place. I feel like we don't know where we want to. To live, which is good and bad, because I think the good part of, like, where he kind of brings us out because I am sometimes very, like, anal about things, and I'm like, I need a plan. I need this. I need this. And I think he's kind of inspiring me to get out of my comfort zone of being like. And I think that's kind of what our. Our goal is, like, when he comes back from Asia travels, of being like, okay, let's, like, actually go here. Let's spend a month there. And like, yeah, this is actually where we want to live before we just, like, you know, jet off somewhere and we're like, yeah, this is it. I think I love New York. And I, like, I loved being near you guys. I loved being there, all my friends and. And so much to do. But I think it was also very overwhelming for me in a way that I didn't expect it to be. And I know Journey, we've discussed this at Jeremy's.
- [29:08]
Charity Lawson
I'm. I'm on my way out too, don't you?
- [29:09]
Rachel Lindsay
Yeah.
- [29:10]
Bailey Brown
I'm like, I would love for us to all live in the same place.
- [29:12]
Charity Lawson
I'm leaving soon too.
- [29:15]
Bailey Brown
I don't know. We could come to la. Okay. You know what? LA so far.
- [29:18]
Rachel Lindsay
Come be with me in the Valley.
- [29:20]
Bailey Brown
We come together.
- [29:23]
Rachel Lindsay
It's amazing. Strip malls and parking lots, you guys, you can. You can have it all here all the time.
- [29:28]
Bailey Brown
And I literally love the heat. That's what I love about the Valley. It is hot as. You have, like, no idea. And I love the heat. We both love the heat.
- [29:36]
Rachel Lindsay
Yes.
- [29:36]
Bailey Brown
And so I'm like, that's a really thing. A good thing to, like, keep in mind as we're, like, doing this. I think right now we kind of want to be a little bit on the east coast for maybe the next year because we want to be near family. We've got family stuff going on. And I'm like, that's, I think, the focus. But I do. I've always had LA in my future. Like, I was supposed to go after college, like, and then my dad got diagnosed, so I just end up staying on the side. But I do love the Valley and I do love la. I love oc. Like, I feel like that would definitely be, you know, a vibe, hopefully in the next, like, 2ish years. But yeah, we've really got to do some, like, training, traveling together and see what we think. I, like, do love South Carolina, too, but I heard they have flying roaches and I just need to think about that.
- [30:16]
Rachel Lindsay
Processes palmettos. Yeah, that's.
- [30:19]
Bailey Brown
I can't do the roaches in Georgia, they are literally horrible.
- [30:24]
Rachel Lindsay
Yes.
- [30:24]
Bailey Brown
In Florida, they're so bad.
- [30:25]
Charity Lawson
It's no.
- [30:27]
Bailey Brown
So bad.
- [30:29]
Rachel Lindsay
Well, yeah, we've loved, obviously, seeing your relationship flourish. I want to go back to your time in paradise and say some of the women that you met, who are you still close with and who has been able to support you during the times where Jeremy's not there through social media? I want to know all the tea.
- [30:47]
Bailey Brown
Oh, my God. Yeah, I feel like I'm really lucky. I think you guys are also obviously very lucky where you, like, really got good friendships from the show and from Paradise. Like, I mean, Leia is like, literally my girl. Like, I'm. She's I and I. And that's someone that really, when you, like, look about, look at their time on, at least like, on Joey season and think about just, like, how it was totally misconstrued of, like, who she is.
- [31:13]
Charity Lawson
Yeah.
- [31:14]
Bailey Brown
And, like, she is such a light of, like, love and, like, we have a group message of, like, us pretending to be a throttle. Obviously, she's in a relationship, but, like, we. We just, like, we love to joke around.
- [31:24]
Rachel Lindsay
Wait, you need to tell me what's in this group message pretending to be a thruffle.
- [31:28]
Bailey Brown
Like, it's us with each other. Other. It's so funny. And Jeremy and I both have a very similar sense of humor where it's, like, very crude and harsh. And so I think we both. And like, Leia very much appreciates that I am really good friends with Lexi. She's, like, also such a joy full time in New York now. We just did a podcast in Atlanta together that was, like, so meaningful where she got to, like, talk more about her endometriosis and just, like, where she is in her health. And that was so amazing. I mean, Zoe's always my girl. She is, like, like, so unapologetically herself. I feel like Jerry and I really do keep up with Justin Spencer, like, very frequently, which is so nice. I'm like, wait, am I, like, really leaving anyone out? But I do feel like paradise was very meaningful in the sense of, like, I really did still get to leave with an amazing relationship and also really great people in my life where I'm like, oh, these people will, you know, always be in my life. Even the Goldens, like, I keep up with my golden people all the time. And it was so special being able to meet them and then also getting to know the other Goldens in that. And like, even, like, Kathy and I, like, sometimes we message because I've started needle points and. And she is, like, the needle.
- [32:38]
Rachel Lindsay
She's giving you tips years.
- [32:40]
Charity Lawson
She knows everything.
- [32:41]
Bailey Brown
So talented. And it's just. It's really nice, like, keeping up with everyone. Like, Keith checks in us. Checks in on us all the time.
- [32:49]
Charity Lawson
Oh, I love that, sweetheart.
- [32:51]
Bailey Brown
And, like, I just feel like I got really lucky of, like, really getting to know people and how amazing they are and also getting to carry on these relationships with people that, like, deeply, you know, understand me.
- [33:04]
Charity Lawson
Yeah.
- [33:04]
Bailey Brown
And so I feel like that's really nice. And we had a really good group of just, like, people on paradise and, you know, and on Grant season, like, I feel like, got really lucky of, like, minimal drama and things like that too. So, yeah, it's been really nice.
- [33:17]
Charity Lawson
Like, you guys really did, like, I always say, like, lucked out with having the Goldens there too, because I'm like, it's obviously they're newer, but having a Paradise with them. It's like you guys almost get, like, second set of parents, which is like so nice. And it's like it just they have experience, they have wisdom, and having them there, I'm like, yeah, you guys are very unique in that experience together. So love that for you guys.
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- [38:08]
Charity Lawson
but speaking of Paradise Bailey, we're gonna play a little game. It's called behind the Scenes Deep Dive. So basically we're gonna show you some fun photos and you're gonna have to explain what's happening in this photo. Please tell me. I hope you remember what was going on. So yes, our producer Katie will pull them up and then we will talk about them.
- [38:31]
Rachel Lindsay
And for our audio listeners, you can head to Bachelor Happy Hours Instagram. We will have the photo dump there and you can follow along, but we will do our best to describe it here as well. I'm so excited to see these also, because your hair in paradise. Oh, my gosh. You were like a mermaid. That came straight out of.
- [38:48]
Bailey Brown
I missed the braids. Oh, my gosh.
- [38:49]
Rachel Lindsay
I was obsessed.
- [38:51]
Charity Lawson
A queen. I'm like, don't head to paradise without the braids. And Bailey did. Bailey.
- [38:56]
Bailey Brown
Bailey had every day. I was like, oh, my God.
- [38:59]
Rachel Lindsay
Oh, my gosh. I was in love.
- [39:01]
Charity Lawson
There's truly not a chance.
- [39:04]
Bailey Brown
Oh, my God. I love you guys.
- [39:05]
Charity Lawson
No, this one's too good. I'm screaming. This is too good.
- [39:10]
Bailey Brown
Okay, so the backstory of this photo. It's me in a bob wig, and it's Spencer in a bob wig. And I actually brought this wig with me because flashback to grand season. My first. In the first 10 seconds of meeting him, I gave him a wig in our, like, one on one time on night one. And I asked him to, like, wear the wig.
- [39:33]
Jacob Goldstein
And.
- [39:34]
Bailey Brown
And I was like, wait, I'm not gonna have the bob. Like, that's crazy, because, like, that was my thing. So I was like, I need to bring a bob with me. So I brought a bob wig with me. And I think it was thunderstorming at that time. And so we were all, like, in our collective rooms. And so actually, the reason Spencer is wearing the wig is because we went and pretended like there was a new girl on Paradise. And, like, she was. And it was actually me.
- [40:00]
Rachel Lindsay
It was Bobby.
- [40:02]
Bailey Brown
It was Bobby Otto was. She was the hot new bombshell entering commodity. And I just, like. Spencer just, like, took it. I think I actually went to, like, knock on it to, like, show Jeremy that they were roommate. Were they roommates? They were all in the room together. And it was just so funny. And, you know, Spencer is such a good sport. He's like, always.
- [40:22]
Charity Lawson
No, really? Because I was like, why is he rocking and looking?
- [40:24]
Bailey Brown
The bob looks good. If he ever wants.
- [40:25]
Charity Lawson
I said, why do I like it?
- [40:27]
Rachel Lindsay
Is that the same wig? Because his looks like it's AI Photoshopped onto his head kind of.
- [40:34]
Charity Lawson
I think this is probably, like, it's just positioned differently.
- [40:36]
Bailey Brown
But, like, me up. Like, he looks amazing for him and Jess's wedding. Like, Bob making hello.
- [40:43]
Charity Lawson
No, literally, he needs to bring it out for the reception. Yep.
- [40:48]
Rachel Lindsay
Oh, gosh.
- [40:50]
Charity Lawson
Okay. Period.
- [40:53]
Bailey Brown
This is a great photo.
- [40:55]
Rachel Lindsay
Who is that in the background?
- [40:59]
Bailey Brown
That is Alicia and Sean making out.
- [41:01]
Charity Lawson
Oh, my God. For a second. No, I. I knew Sean. I couldn't identify the blonde. And I was like, is there some scenes that was Cut out because I thought it was Cat. I was like, this is.
- [41:09]
Bailey Brown
No, no.
- [41:11]
Charity Lawson
No one told me about that. No, literally, I'm like, both of y' all are liars.
- [41:15]
Bailey Brown
If Sean and Cat had kissed, it would have been an eruption. That would have.
- [41:19]
Charity Lawson
You're telling me that's why I'm having this reaction.
- [41:22]
Bailey Brown
I'm like, that would have never. When they were beefing, too, so this would have never happened. You know, we're all on good terms now, but.
- [41:28]
Charity Lawson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [41:29]
Bailey Brown
But fedora is actually, because one of the workers that works at the resort, he wore, like, a Pura Vita fedora every day, and we were just, like, all obsessed with it. We thought it was, like, the coolest, best thing ever. And then for Jeremy's birthday, like, this is the night of Jeremy's birthday. We did, like, this whole. We had, like, a little birthday moment, and then we all celebrated, and we went in the pool and really had a great time. We all got dressed up, and so they brought out, like, almost, like, 15 of the fedoras, and it was just so fun. And so we all wore them. I think some of us actually took them home. And I have mine in, like, a little, like, shadow box thing just to commemorate paradise. But, like, who doesn't love a fedora on a vacation?
- [42:12]
Charity Lawson
Hello.
- [42:13]
Bailey Brown
It was perfect. And, like, I'm, like, kind of very stylish. I need to bring that back.
- [42:17]
Rachel Lindsay
No, I love these. This is gonna be the picture. If you guys ever have kids that they're gonna show their friends. These are my parents.
- [42:24]
Bailey Brown
Yeah. These are my,
- [42:27]
Charity Lawson
like, eighth date.
- [42:30]
Bailey Brown
No, literally, like, day number two, actually. They're gonna be, like.
- [42:36]
Charity Lawson
No, very cute. Very cute. No, I'm like. All these pictures are making me, like, emotional.
- [42:44]
Bailey Brown
No, not even there. Okay, so this is a photo of him and I hugging. I think we were, like, hanging out at the pool that day. I really don't remember what was going on. I just remember, like, obsessed with him, obsessed with all the Goldens. They are just really such great people, and I feel like they made my time on paradise just so much more meaningful. But him really did touch my heart because we really did share a lot of, like, conversations in that way. And, like, before he actually left number one, he, like, organized a whole journal to write down everyone's information because he was scared he wasn't gonna be able to connect with everyone after.
- [43:21]
Rachel Lindsay
Please don't tell me that.
- [43:22]
Bailey Brown
No, he's actually. I mean, like, all of the Goldens have just such a good heart. Like, I don't know where they find them. And, like, I don't have grandparents. I haven't had grandparents in such a long time. And you're actually gonna start crying because I'm gonna start crying because, Kim, we had, like, this really deep conversation. Obviously, like, I had to. This is also kind of, I think around the time of when I had to send Leslie home and, you know, Big G. And, like, that was so heartbreaking for me. And the Goldens were, like, such a good support system for me in that way. But Kim and I really shared a deep moment where we. He was like, listen, I know that you don't have a dad. He was like, your dad isn't going to be there to walk you down the aisle. If you ever need someone to walk you down the aisle, I would gladly come and do it. And I just.
- [44:13]
Rachel Lindsay
I believe he would.
- [44:14]
Bailey Brown
No, he would, like, in a heartbeat. Like, after Paradise. He sent me, like, the most beautiful email, just, like, catching up with me. And he really is just like, all the Goldens are such amazing, great people. I'm silly bringing me to tears, but I feel like, you know, him and I really did connect. Like, I'm pretty sure he lost his wife, and so he could just, like, attest to that, like, grief aspect of life of losing that person, you know, that you would think that, like, would be going to weddings with you. And, like, you know, he was just like, I know you and your mom are, like, very close. He's like, but if you ever want someone to walk you down the aisle, like, I will 100 do it. And I was just like, this amazing person. I was like. And I just really did feel like I got to share moments, deep moments like that with all the Goldens. And so, yeah, this is such a cute, like, behind the scenes moment because he's very sweet. My king, Captain Kim. Like, he's amazing.
- [45:07]
Rachel Lindsay
What a beautiful photo.
- [45:08]
Charity Lawson
No, honestly, probably. No, I can't.
- [45:15]
Rachel Lindsay
Who did this to.
- [45:19]
Bailey Brown
Okay, I'm gonna set the scene. I'm gonna set you 16. Okay. So they come and tell us. They're like, you guys have been going through so much. We're gonna do a really nice dinner for you guys. Everyone get, like, super dressed up and then, like, you know, have a little to go bag of, like, something athletic or something. I'm like, okay, okay, whatever. I'm not really, like, thinking it through. I'm like, oh, good dinner. All the girls are getting dressed up. We're all getting ready together. We go to the dinner. It's like, steak, lobster, the whole shebang. And it Was almost like an omen was coming that something bad was coming, because at the dinner, we were, like, so swarmed with flies. Like, I'm sure Cat. Cat was, like, freaking out. Like, I was freaking out, but I feel like the flies were, like, really going. I don't think I. I don't remember what I had that night. I think I had a lot. I think they saw the steak, and the flies are like. And, oh, my God. It was literally an omen coming of, like, you guys are about to have your world rocked. And then that's when Jesse comes to the table, and he's like, you guys are actually going to be spending the night in the Costa Rica weekend jungle, and you're gonna have to, like, survive through the night. And I've never been to summer camp. I've never been to. I've never been to any camp. I don't even know if I've been to a Girl Scout camp one time. And it was, yeah, I'm not built for camp.
- [46:38]
Rachel Lindsay
No, none of us are.
- [46:40]
Bailey Brown
Life. So this photo is literally me in a workout set with my heels on.
- [46:46]
Rachel Lindsay
The heels under the socks.
- [46:48]
Bailey Brown
The heels. I was walking around in my heels because I didn't want. I will say this is a really good time of when I felt Jeremy and I's relationship tested. And I was like, if we can get through this, if he can handle this with me, I'm sure that he can handle almost anything, because I was so traumatized. I was screaming, I was crying. I was breaking down.
- [47:08]
Rachel Lindsay
I was.
- [47:09]
Bailey Brown
I was so mean to him. I was like, I can't do this. Like, I was trying to be supportive, but, like, he literally had to, like, build everything for us. And, like, all I could do was drink wine. And the reason I'm, like, walking around in my heels the whole night is because I didn't want to get my shoes inside. Also, like, back to the dog. Just, like, cockroaches flying in. There's, like, poop next to us. Everyone had a beautiful pile of poop near their campsite. You know, it was just. It was actually so traumatizing, I'm surprised I even made it. That's why I have the fly swatter to kill. Yeah, Anything that might come my way. I'm surprised that I survived that night. Also, our chair was, like, literally. So turns out the point of the challenge was there was something wrong with every single piece of equipment that we were given, basically. So it was a test to your relationship to kind of see how you would, you know, overcome these obstacles, which like, okay, in hindsight, what I want to be like, you know, without proper utensils and things like that in the woods. But it was still really nice because I felt like, you know, we learned how to problem solve together. We learned how to like support each other and really get through this intense time. And I was literally like, if he can handle. I wish that my mom would have seen it. She would have been like actually cackling and just think it was the funniest thing. But I was cockroaches 247 and it was in fact very traumatizing. I'm glad. I see.
- [48:33]
Charity Lawson
No, there's just not a chance I would have been able to. Wouldn't. I found out that you guys had to like deal with cockroaches. It's not, it's like I'm. I have a true. Like, I think I'm probably number one
- [48:44]
Rachel Lindsay
person and I know hopefully there was one.
- [48:46]
Charity Lawson
I like to crown myself as number one because it's that like, yes, it's crazy.
- [48:51]
Bailey Brown
I, I mean, we're not going to get into this here, but I think I was first engaged from cockroaches. Anytime someone's like, there's never been a cockroach here, I show up cockroach. So it was a blessing that I didn't feel a cockroach until my last like week of paradise in that sense. But the cockroaches, when I saw they flew and they were flying at us.
- [49:10]
Charity Lawson
No, it's like, I need exposure therapy.
- [49:11]
Bailey Brown
It's that bad, you guys. I was talking to my therapist about this like two weeks ago and I was like, girl, like, it's actually a really bad issue. Like there's one of cockroach my bed. I didn't sleep in my bed as an adult. I slept in my parents bed. They literally had to switch out for me for like two months because I was like, I'm not sleeping, I'm not doing this. And like, it's really bad. That's why in the, in the cup, in the mug, there was a thousand percent wine. I was like, if I don't have wine, like, I come on, I have nothing. I was like, I don't have anything and I don't, I don't even like drink red wine sometimes that late at night. And I was like, red wine me up. I was like, I do not care
- [49:52]
Rachel Lindsay
to sleep on the ground.
- [49:54]
Bailey Brown
Yeah, I didn't sleep. That was the thing. I was like, I just need to stay awake. So that's. And I told him. I was like, don't you dare even think about blinking an eye. Of falling asleep at this time. We're going to be staying awake until. Until we get a little sunrise action and we're not in the dark. Also, I'm afraid of the dark. So that's also. It was like, bugs and the dark slash dirt. I would say. I'm pretty.
- [50:14]
Charity Lawson
No. Yeah. I commend applause to you. Yeah.
- [50:17]
Bailey Brown
I'm glad that you guys weren't there because your sanity is still.
- [50:20]
Charity Lawson
I'm glad to. I'm glad. There's no way I would have survived Fruity.
- [50:28]
Bailey Brown
I'm still in therapy for it, so. Yeah, it's baby step.
- [50:32]
Charity Lawson
Okay, we have one more. There's one. Oh, this one's cute.
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Bailey Brown
Oh, yeah, I remember this photo. This is, like, so cute. I feel like this is the first time we really, like, shared a kind of, like, solo moment in that way. This is like after we did the kissing booth challenge, which was like, that was fine. It was whatever. But, yeah, I feel like it was really nice because, you know, obviously we chose each other in the kissing booth and we just had a really good time together. And yeah, this is like, one of our cute little first little photos. We'd already, like, had a first kiss at that moment. But, you know, I feel like the first, like, few days of paradise, you're still kind of, like, trying to do stuff in, like, groups.
- [51:09]
Rachel Lindsay
Yeah.
- [51:10]
Bailey Brown
Trying to engage how things are. And also, I, like, left my outfit on this day. I feel like I ate that set down. So. So I was like, oh, my God,
- [51:17]
Charity Lawson
you ate the entire Paradise.
- [51:19]
Bailey Brown
I know you did. I put so much thought into those outfits. Like, I had been planning, like, as soon as I thought maybe I was like, oh, thank God. I have been saving five years worth of because guess who needs them? And then people are like, can I have a link? I'm like, oh, babes. This is like. This is old. This is like, you can never find this again. It's five years old. It's vintage. This is like. I'm like, y', all, they don't make this anymore. But I wish they would because.
- [51:46]
Rachel Lindsay
No, this is stunning. Is this a two piece or is it a dress?
- [51:49]
Bailey Brown
It's actually from Revolve. I did, like, you know how Revolve works? Like, you have to pre order stuff. Yeah. But so I did, like, just in case. Even though I didn't really decide to go to paradise until again, like, the week before, I was like, just in case. I do not want to be out there. And I think everyone really came like, even the boys, Like, I'm like, oh, my God, not you guys all doing a group order on Abercrombie and Finn. Okay? Literally, they did. They're all like, wait, I have that top. They would all, like, literally have to
- [52:15]
Rachel Lindsay
their linens and buttons.
- [52:17]
Bailey Brown
The linens, the knits. They'd be like, no, no, dude. Like, I'm wearing the blue tank on this one today. Yeah, they have to check before rose ceremonies to make sure.
- [52:27]
Charity Lawson
They were so funny.
- [52:28]
Bailey Brown
The same shirt. But, you know, they all looked like. Everyone really did. Like, all the girls, they really. Like, no one came to play. Everyone looked amazing. I think that's also why we were, like, all just switching clothes around because everyone worked. And I was like, I packed three suitcases. I was like, the limit's two. I have three, so.
- [52:44]
Charity Lawson
Hello? Hello?
- [52:47]
Bailey Brown
I can't. But, yeah. This is so cute.
- [52:50]
Rachel Lindsay
I love that picture.
- [52:51]
Bailey Brown
One of my backgrounds on my phone that I like.
- [52:54]
Charity Lawson
I know. I was like, you need to frame that one. No, we will.
- [52:56]
Bailey Brown
We will definitely frame. I, like, got him for one year. This a book of all of our paradise moments. And it was like. Because we also, like, love the paradise show, so it's like, you know, it's like, oh, they're very different shows, obviously, but it was. It was really sweet. Like, I was like, oh, I loved reliving those moments. And I also, like, obviously added a few funny ones. But, yeah, it was just really sweet, like, being able to remember all these times and these moments. I'm like, oh, that's so cute. It feels like it was like yesterday, but it also feels. Feels 10 years ago, you know, bachelor. It, like, speeds things up, so.
- [53:32]
Charity Lawson
It does.
- [53:33]
Bailey Brown
What do you mean? We haven't been dating for 10 years.
- [53:34]
Charity Lawson
Forever.
- [53:35]
Bailey Brown
Yeah, I know. I've known you since middle school, girl. Like, yeah, that's really how it is.
- [53:43]
Rachel Lindsay
Okay, well, Bailey, first of all, I loved looking at these photos. You guys are just so beautiful together. Thank you so much for coming on and being so open and honest. And please come back, because we love you. I love you guys.
- [53:57]
Bailey Brown
Okay. We'll meet up in LA and then maybe go to New York, but.
- [54:02]
Charity Lawson
And we're overdue. We have to do a couple's trip. There's just. There's a lot on the itinerary. Like, there's a lot coming up, so no need to worry.
- [54:08]
Bailey Brown
Oh, we got a lot going on this.
- [54:09]
Charity Lawson
We sure do. Listen, I most definitely do. I'm like, I'm ready for 2026 to be over with, but anyway, we're gonna Enjoy it as you can. Exactly. Before we leave, where can our listeners listeners keep up with you at?
- [54:25]
Bailey Brown
Oh my God. Yeah. You can follow me on all my platforms at Bailey Taylor Brown and I had so much fun with you guys. I love you guys.
- [54:34]
Charity Lawson
Yay. Thank you Bailey. And to our listeners, you can follow us at Bachelor Happy Hour and at Bachelor Nation. Make sure you rate, review, subscribe wherever you get your podcast and we will see you guys very, very soon. Bye Bye.
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