Bailey & Jeremy on Life After Paradise; Taylor Frankie Paul Bachelorette News

Summary

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Bachelor Happy Hour: “Bailey & Jeremy on Life After Paradise; Taylor Frankie Paul Bachelorette News”

Podcast: Bachelor Happy Hour
Hosts: Joe Amabile & Serena Pitt
Episode Date: September 16, 2025
Guests: Bailey & Jeremy
Key Topics: Taylor Frankie Paul’s Bachelorette Season, Bailey & Jeremy’s post-Paradise journey, reunion revelations, online scrutiny, future plans

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into two major topics for Bachelor Nation:

1. The announcement of Taylor Frankie Paul as the new Bachelorette—breaking from franchise tradition by casting a reality star outside the core Bachelor universe.
2. A candid check-in with beloved “Bachelor in Paradise” couple, Bailey and Jeremy, covering their experience after the finale, handling public scrutiny, relationships with castmates, plans for the future, and advice for others navigating reality-TV relationships.

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Main Discussion Highlights

1. Taylor Frankie Paul as the New Bachelorette (02:59–07:07)

• Breaking Tradition:
  • Joe and Serena react positively to casting Taylor Frankie Paul, a reality TV figure from “Secret Lives of Mormon Wives,” as the next Bachelorette.
  • Joe: “Smartest move the franchise has made, maybe ever, in my opinion.” (03:14)
  • Both hosts feel this will add more excitement, drama, and fresh energy, even if some fans are uncomfortable with the shift.
• Anticipation & Mixed Public Response:
  • Serena notes, “The discourse online has been a lot of excitement… and then also criticism, which I think is in some ways a good thing. I think it gets people talking.” (04:11)
  • They discuss how the move could bring in new audiences and shake up entrenched expectations, reflecting on how the show was originally built on casting recognizable, not necessarily franchise-only, leads.

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2. Post-Paradise with Bailey & Jeremy

Adjusting to Life After the Show (08:06–13:43)

• Relief and Closure:
  • Bailey shares, “I think we feel really good. We’re slightly happy that the show is done. I think just having a mental break will be really good.” (08:13)
  • Both describe the reunion as cathartic, feeling they handled unresolved issues and regained friendships.
• Public Reception and Online Scrutiny:
  • Jeremy admits the hate from the fanbase was tough, “It has been very rough, like, from a fan audience perspective…” (09:15)
  • Bailey: “People have questions and they want answers and I hope that part of the reunion answers those for them so well.” (10:05)
  • Joe offers perspective: “Jeremy made some mistakes in a relationship that was 11 days old… you better believe they’re saying some fucked up shit to their friends about that person.” (11:02)
  • Both characterize their relationship as real and imperfect—"No relationship is perfect. Nobody’s perfect. So, like, I don’t know. I think everyone deserves grace. Real world in paradise, it doesn’t matter.” (12:30)

The Reunion Experience (12:52–15:50)

• Intentions Going In:
  • Jeremy: “I wanted to take accountability… and also not try to be defensive. And it was a thin line I was trying to walk.” (13:07)
  • Bailey: “We did get to leave the reunion feeling really peaceful and calm… everyone deserves a chance to talk.” (14:54)
• Unresolved and Behind-the-Scenes Moments:
  • They wish more positive moments made it to air and note the limits of a reality edit: “There was not enough time to go through certain things.” (15:45)

Handling Friendships, Cast Dynamics, and the Aftermath (22:33–26:25)

• Resolving Tension:
  • Jeremy: “We were good friends on the show… it was just like, miscommunication.” (23:00)
  • Bailey explains that dealing with negativity can strain connections, but they managed to reconnect with their castmates and leave on good terms.
• Reunion After-party:
  • Bailey: “It just felt like we honestly just got to be like silly again and laugh… this season has been a little bit very intensely emotional.” (25:02)

Moving Forward as a Couple: Plans and Challenges (26:01–31:19)

• Moving In Together:
  • Jeremy confirms, “Yeah, definitely by the end of the year.” (26:16)
  • Bailey jokes about her huge wardrobe, “He has like four things up there. And so I'm gonna put…all my shit up there.” (26:23)
• Trips and Living Arrangements:
  • Bailey is heading to Abu Dhabi and China for work; she’ll move into Jeremy’s “giant loft” in New York after travel winds down.
• Meeting Friends and Families:
  • Jeremy “flew out to Portugal” to meet Bailey’s family, while she met Jeremy’s friends and some of his relatives in Chicago and Atlanta.
  • Both feel positive about the support: “We’re really lucky that everyone’s been, like, really supportive of this journey and really happy that it’s also, like, slightly over for us…” (31:19)

Clearing the Air: Cast Drama and Jury of Peers (31:41–44:17)

• Confronting Kathy and the Goldens:
  • Jeremy clarifies playful banter and misunderstandings, “I wasn’t a fan [at first] of them coming to the beach… but I happen to, like, love Keith and Kathy. Kathy’s…like my aunt.” (32:58)
  • Bailey and Serena share laughs over Kathy being famously grudge-holding: “Kathy, you 100% do hold [grudges].” (33:52)
• Jury of Peers / Finale Reveals:
  • Bailey and Jeremy recollect being shocked by revelations about Cat and the group’s twists. “We were very shocked. I know Sean and Alicia…wanted everyone to know, like, the truth.” (40:06)
  • Voting discrepancies: Bailey and Jeremy voted differently on who to advance in the “jury”—Jeremy chose not to advance couples who had voted him out: “Why would I not vote to send you home?” (42:14)
  • On the hypothetical money vs. love dilemma:
    • Jeremy: “I’ll take the money for us so we have money, and then we’ll just rekindle the next day.” (43:04)
    • Bailey: “Obviously, you know, I was going to pick love, because that’s me. And he was going to pick money so that we could survive and do everything we wanted.” (44:16)

Realism About Engagements on Paradise (44:17–46:20)

• Both were clear they weren’t ready for engagement, despite pressure from the show’s traditional format.
  • Jeremy: “I would never have done that if I wasn’t serious… I don’t think either of us would have been ready for a real engagement after a few weeks.” (44:29)
  • Bailey: “We really wanted to acclimate into normal life… we made the right decision for us, and, yeah, we’re really happy.” (45:39)

Handling Past Relationships and Online Backlash (46:41–51:15)

• No Bad Blood with Susie:
  • Bailey shares a supportive message received from Susie (Jeremy’s ex), stressing that there’s mutual respect and wishes for the drama to die down.
  • “She sent me literally the sweetest message I’ve ever received… was very long, and I had to take some time to actually read it because I was overwhelmed in that moment.” (46:52)
• Advice for Future Couples:
  • Jeremy: “Stay off Reddit... Don’t look in the comments and like just laugh at it, maybe laugh at it like after the drama.” (49:29)
  • Bailey: “Restart your relationship when you come home… just living normal life together is really important.” (50:12)
  • “Coming back from paradise… keep planning trips and making as many advanced plans as we can.” (50:58)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Taylor Frankie Paul as Bachelorette:

  • “Smartest move the franchise has made, maybe ever, in my opinion.” – Joe (03:14)
  • “She’s single, she’s dynamic, she’s gorgeous… That’s the only requirement to be on the show.” – Serena (04:56)

• On Dealing with Public Criticism:

  • “I think everyone deserves grace. Real world in paradise, it doesn’t matter.” – Bailey (12:30)
  • “Stay off Reddit... Don’t look in the comments and like just laugh at it.” – Jeremy (49:29)

• On Handling Cast Fallout:

  • “We were good friends on the show… it was just like, miscommunication.” – Jeremy (23:00)
  • “I’d love to see the relationships of some of the people commenting and sending us DMs.” – Jeremy (12:23)
  • “No one sends hateful DMs to each other. Like, I’m like, oh, talk shit to your friends.” – Bailey (15:53)

• On the ‘Jury of Peers’:

  • “I voted for no one to move forward… besides the fact that they both sent me home.” – Jeremy (41:53)
  • “I also was just like, I know if Jess and Spencer do win, they’re gonna take us to Disney on an all expense paid vacation.” – Bailey (42:27)

• On the Pressure to Get Engaged:

  • “I don’t think either of us would have been ready for a real engagement after a few weeks… neither of us wanna just get engaged for the hell.” – Jeremy (44:29)
  • “Did I bring a dress? Of course. I’m prepared for everything. But I think as we got closer, we were just like, oh, wait, we can’t fathom doing this right now.” – Bailey (45:03)

• On Advice for New Couples:

  • “Just be able to restart and live normal life together is really important… that’s what really helped us.” – Bailey (50:12)
  • “We both previously been in long distance relationships and we both didn’t want that. So we were like, we need to put an effort there.” – Jeremy (50:58)

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Key Timestamps

• 02:59–07:07: Taylor Frankie Paul Bachelorette segment
• 08:06–13:43: Bailey & Jeremy on life after Paradise, reunion, and public reactions
• 22:33–26:25: Friendship with castmates, reunion after-party, transitioning to real life
• 26:01–31:19: Moving in together, travel plans, friends & family updates
• 31:41–34:09: Banter with Kathy, Goldens, reality show relationships
• 39:33–44:17: Finale/jury of peers, loyalty, voting motivations, and the money vs. love debate
• 44:17–46:20: Discussing engagement and timeline realism
• 46:41–49:03: Susie, closure with past relationships, online drama
• 49:29–51:15: Advice for future couples, staying grounded

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Conclusion

Bailey and Jeremy’s appearance was candid, humorous, and reflective. They left listeners with practical advice about balancing the fantasy of reality TV with real-life relationship challenges, championed openness in the Bachelor franchise, and gave fans an optimistic look at their future together. The episode set the stage for an exciting new era with Taylor Frankie Paul as Bachelorette, encouraging fans to embrace change and root for authenticity—on and off the screen.

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[Bailey]

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[Serena]

And I'm Serena.

[Joe]

And we are joined today with Bailey and Jeremy. But before we bring them in, we do have to talk about the news that's dropped the new Bachelorette. Taylor, Frankie Paul, what do you think?

[Serena]

I'm excited.

[Joe]

Me too.

[Serena]

I personally am.

[Joe]

Smartest move the franchise has made, maybe ever, in my opinion.

[Serena]

Really?

[Joe]

I think it's. I think it's great, in my opinion, you know, and I know people are going to disagree with that, but I think it's fantastic.

[Serena]

Why do you think that?

[Joe]

Because I just think it's, like, it's so captivating. Like, I. I really want to watch oppose if you. If you just took somebody from the franchise or an unknown. I don't know. Like, I don't know. I wouldn't be as. Like, I'm drawn in now. Like, I need to see how this plays out, and I think she's, like, the perfect girl for it.

[Serena]

I agree. I am a fan of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives on Hulu.

[Joe]

Well, I've. I've only seen the reunion with you. I watched the reunion. I was like, oh, this is. This is fucking addicting.

[Serena]

Yeah, it's so addicting. I'm on the edge of my seat for season three of November, which is gonna come out, and then I'm assuming the Bachelor out, the Bachelorette will come out soon after that. So Frankie Paul has a big couple months ahead of her. I mean, she's gonna film the Bachelorette. She's gonna have two shows come out, the Bachelorette and Mormon Wives. I mean, like, it's so exciting. I feel like the discourse online has been a lot of excitement around her and then also criticism, which I think is in some ways a good thing. I think gets people talking. It gets discourse around the topic, which I think will then drive viewership to the show, which is great. It's what we want. And I know that people are upset. Like, why are you changing it up? Not choosing someone from the franchise? I personally don't have an issue with it. I think that people have been calling for change within the franchise for a long time, but then sometimes when change comes, it feels uncomfortable and people reject it. I think this is a good change. I think that she's single, she's dynamic, she's gorgeous. I Think she's looking for love. That's the only requirement to be on the show. You have to be single and looking for love.

[Joe]

Like, the Bachelor started, I think, the first, like, three or four seasons, it was like ex Jesse Palmers. Like, it was like football players. Yeah. Yeah.

[Serena]

People that were in the public eye that had, you know, social media wasn't the thing, but they had an audience. They had a fan base.

[Joe]

I love that she's on another show, and I love the fact that there's two seasons of her on television that a bunch of guys will go on this show, and they're probably going to be too lazy to even watch, and they're going to have no idea who they're dating.

[Serena]

That's what I was most excited for, is for the guys that come on that have, like, gone and done the research and, like, watched all this stuff about her. And then on the flip, the guys that come on and are like, I. Oh, yeah, I heard she was on some other show.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

But, like, didn't watch. Like, don't know much about her. And it's like, oh, you're about to learn so much.

[Joe]

Yeah, I think you're about to be.

[Serena]

In for a ride, buddy.

[Joe]

But I can't wait to watch. I think just. Way to go, Bachelor. Very, very, very, very good move. I don't really say that often. Not that I have any issues. Not that I have any issues with what they do, but, like, when. Way to go.

[Serena]

Yeah. Compliments are hard to find from Joe, so when you get one, snatch it up. But I'm really excited for her.

[Joe]

I don't know. I compliment a lot of people.

[Serena]

Okay.

[Joe]

I complimented you today on that outfit.

[Serena]

You did, you did.

[Joe]

Thank you.

[Serena]

But I'm your wife, so it's a little bit different. But I'm. I can't wait to watch. I think that fans that are, you know, looking to get more excited about the season or just learn more, I think you should go back and watch the show. Like, go watch Mormon wives, like, get to know her, develop your opinion, and maybe it'll even change. When you watch her as the Bachelorette, I think you're gonna learn even more about her. I mean, we've seen her relationship play out in the last two seasons, but now we're watching our girl date, and that's a whole different ball game.

[Joe]

And I think you're gonna bring a new audience in, which is. Which is also a pro. I'm here for it. Okay. I think we have Jeremy and Bailey. They are waiting. Should we bring them in.

[Serena]

Yeah. Let's do it. Stay tuned for the new season, the Bachelorette. And let's talk to Jeremy and Bailey about their time in paradise.

[Joe]

Welcome back, guys. Welcome back. It's a couple.

[Bailey]

Hi, guys. We're excited to be here.

[Joe]

Honestly. Honestly, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not kidding. I. You know, Jeremy, you were on gen season. You went decently far. You didn't get a lot of airtime.

[Bailey]

But.

[Joe]

But you have been on this podcast more than anyone. I swear.

[Jeremy]

I was thinking about that 10 years ago. Like, I've probably been on this podcast 10 times already.

[Serena]

You've been on a lot.

[Bailey]

You've got, like.

[Joe]

You've been on this podcast with, like, 10 people.

[Jeremy]

You've been on it with five views with charity. Yes. It's silly.

[Serena]

Yeah. We've done, like, you alone, you in a panel, you after tell all, and now you with your beautiful girlfriend. So this is the perfect way to. To kind of summarize your journey on Bachelor happy hour.

[Jeremy]

Done with Bachelor, Bachelor shows.

[Joe]

Yeah. How are you guys? So how are you guys feeling post finale, post reunion right now?

[Bailey]

Yeah, I feel like. I think we feel really good. We're slightly happy that the show is done. I think just having a mental break will be really good. And, you know, also being in public just normally, even though we've kind of been walking around like normal, but I think it just all feels like we're now able to, like, go into normal life. And post reunion, I feel like we handled a lot of things that we needed to handle with with certain people, and I feel like we're really happy with the outcome, and I feel like that's all we could ask for. I think we all left being friends again and being in everyone's good graces, and I feel like, you know, I think that's really all we wanted from the reunion and to, like, see our friends again. I feel like that happened.

[Joe]

You two have had a pretty rough journey when it comes to, you know, the Bachelor nation itself and how they feel about you guys. And I'm sure you guys have gotten a good amount of hate, for sure. What is the temperature check now with everyone? Have they received you as a couple? Are they.

[Jeremy]

I mean, like, listen, it's tough because, like, it has been very rough, like, from a fan audience perspective. But, like, while we filmed, it wasn't, like, that rough for us or, like, a few tough days and, like, you know, so it does kind of suck with some of the reaction we've gotten. But at the end of the day. Like it's a TV show and you know, we try, we try for it to like, not get to us too much. It has gotten better though, I think now that people see we're together and like, how much effort we've put in for each other, that it's been received better. And we hope, we hope it continues to get better. At the end of the day, like we, you know, we can only explain so much. And I think the audience, they have.

[Bailey]

Questions, they have a lot of questions.

[Jeremy]

But they're also like only willing to hear so much and half of it just goes through the ear anyway.

[Bailey]

So it's also, I think the reunion's a lot to digest also. So I don't know, maybe people, people will need to listen to it a few times to really hear what we're saying. But I feel like it's been received pretty well. Like, I think now we are less stressed and we're able to just like, be our silly selves. I think it was like really hard during filming to just like, want to laugh about everything. And I think now we can really enjoy it and just be able to like, be fully authentically ourself. Well, like really, we've just been like very taking a step back this whole season and not like posting so many silly things. I think just because we've been really overwhelmed and it's been a harsh place. And so I think, I think people getting to know us more will be really important and. But so far everyone's been really sweet and you know, I get. People have questions and they want answers and I hope that part of the reunion answers those for them so well.

[Joe]

Even if you like, you know, I think some people have to kind of. It's hard because it's a show that they love and watch. But I think, like, if you take a step back and realize, like, Jeremy made some mistakes in a relationship that was 11 days old, like, how many people are starting a relationship on Hinge in the first 11 days? You better believe they're saying some fucked up shit to their friends about that person. You know, that's kind of like, yeah.

[Bailey]

Literally that we had this on the reunion, actually. We were like, okay, yes, like, some people's relationships here, like, those are unicorns. Like, I feel like our relationship was pretty similar to like very how, like similar to how real world works. It's like when you're beginning to date someone, number one, you don't have to watch it back and see what they're thinking of and what they're Going through. And number two, you also don't have to hear, like, how they're feeling. And I think there's doubts and there's stress in the beginning of relationships when you're starting and when you're just like, talking to someone. And literally it was like an 11 day relationship. I think it was like. It was like nine days at that moment.

[Joe]

Nine days. And it wasn't even really a relationship.

[Bailey]

Calm down.

[Joe]

No.

[Bailey]

Yeah, I know that's a year in bachelor time, but it's not realistic to normal days. Like, we still are going through normal days as it seems, but.

[Jeremy]

And I'd love to see the relationships of some of the people commenting and sending us dms. I'd love to see how perfect I'm.

[Bailey]

Like, I also feel like no relationship is perfect. Nobody's perfect. So, like, I don't know. I think everyone deserves grace. Real world in paradise, it doesn't matter.

[Jeremy]

Yeah. And ours is pretty damn good. But now there were a few days that like. And yeah, I can own up to it. And, like, tried to take accountability a million times. You know, there were a few tough days, but I think. But we're in a really, really great place now.

[Joe]

Good.

[Serena]

Going into the reunion, did you guys have any sort of, like, overarching hope or goal? Like something you really wanted to get across to the listeners or just like something you wanted people to take away from what you were saying?

[Jeremy]

For me personally, it was tough because I. I wanted to take accountability. I feel like I did on, you know, when I did the podcast by myself with you guys. I feel like I've tried to, you know, in my own ways, but I. It's really tough to do it in a way also, and also not try to be defensive. And it was a thin line I was trying to walk. I didn't want to be, like, argumentative. Like, I wanted to be there to support Bailey as well. And we weren't trying to, like, we were trying to, like, throw hate on anyone. We were just trying to, like, be there and like. And, like, see people and, like, show everyone how far our relationship has gone.

[Bailey]

Yeah, I think just giving updates on, like, where we are now. I think that's also why people tune into the reunion, to see where the couples are or if couples stay together. I think that was really a big part of us, like, also just taking accountability. I think also slightly addressing some of the hate because I feel like a lot of the cast this season, not just us, has received, like, overwhelming amounts of hate too. And it's. It's a dark place to be in at times. And so I think that was really our thing. I don't think that we came in, like, obviously there's moments where we've had, like, little tiffs with people on our cast, and we didn't come in with the goals of, like, addressing those. It's kind of like one of those things. Like, you know, if it comes up, we will address it then. I think we were also happy to address it in private, even if it didn't handle. Even if it didn't get handled at the reunion. But I feel like we did get to leave the reunion feeling really peaceful and calm. Obviously, I think people will still have questions about, like, things that happen this season, but there's not enough time to address everything always. And I feel like everyone deserves a chance to talk. And really, we did not want it to be like Bailey and Jeremy show. It's like, you know, I think everyone has so many things to get off their chest, and they did that in the reunion. So I think we got a good amount of things covered, and I feel like that's all we can ask for.

[Joe]

Is there anything that you feel has gone unaddressed that you would like to address now?

[Jeremy]

I think it was just, like, more stuff. Like, we didn't really talk about, like, so many of, like, the good moments from our show, and we. We've talked about this in. In your podcast before, but there were just, like, so many good things that we wish were shown or so many things that might have been. Like, people think something happened that didn't exactly happen the way, like, the first.

[Bailey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

The first thing that comes to mind is like. Like, when she came in to talk about, like, the phone call. Like, I get if you're just like, a normal audience viewer, I get why you might not like me for certain things or might not support this, but, like, you just need to remember it's. It's a TV show.

[Bailey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

Like, if you don't want to be happy for us where we're at right now, fine. Just don't leave nasty comments. Like, keep it to yourself.

[Bailey]

Yeah. And I think that's a good thing for everyone. Like, maybe just keep those comments to yourself. I don't know.

[Serena]

Yeah. Or, like, text your mom, send it to your girlfriends.

[Bailey]

Like. Like, no one sends hateful DMs to each other. Like, I'm like, oh, talk shit to your friends.

[Jeremy]

Maybe see a therapist.

[Bailey]

But, yeah, I think that was, like, it. I wish we just. There was not enough time to go through certain things. I think everyone has little moments of things that they wanted to cover and, yeah, like, him not walking after me, like, getting up to walk after me. I was like, I wish we had time to cover that and explain, like, that. I also wish, I think, for everyone that we could have, like, a timeline of, like, where days were and when things actually happened and how things got dragged out. And I think also we got to mention a little bit just, like, about where our mental space was for everybody. But, like, I think when the competition started, for sure, I think that everyone was really locked in on their couples, and I think that that kind of played to. I think people were really upset that some people didn't tell me about things. And I also think that I understand where people are coming from of being like, you're locked in on your couple and you're locked in on the competition, and sometimes you're not really thinking about everything else that's going on. It's like, you're just so focused because, like, when we were there, we're. You're going to bed, like, remembering that you have a competition tomorrow and you want to, like, be mentally ready for that competition. Obviously, we have no idea what's going to be thrown at us every day in paradise. So I feel like everyone's mental. We were just all focused on so many things at once. It was really hard to be like, okay, well, you know, point fingers about a lot of different things while we were there. So I do feel like we got. We got to cover a good amount of things. So, yeah.

[Joe]

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[Serena]

Pride and Prejudice, so I had to share that the Audible original Pride and Prejudice is an intimate performance that will have you falling in love with the Jane Austen classic all over again. Pride and Prejudice stars a full cast of voices you'll love to listen to, including Marisa Abella, known from industry and black bag as Elizabeth Bennett, and Harris Dickinson, known from Baby Girl and Where the Crawdads sing as the dreamy Mr. Darcy, plus Marianne Jean Baptiste, Will Poulter, Bill Nye and Glenn Close as Lady Catherine de Bourgh. Marisa Abella brings you inside the stun stubborn and complicated mind of Elizabeth Bennet as she navigates family expectations, societal pressures and her own misconceptions when she meets the enigmatic Mr. Darcy. This new adaptation is vibrant and modern with an original new score by a Grammy nominated composer really drawing you into the story. Whether you're fresh to Pride and Prejudice like I am or want to revisit a cherished favorite, you're in for a new and delightful listening experience. Before enemies to lovers existed, there was Elizabeth Bennet and Mr. Darcy. A classic fan favorite, Pride and Prejudice is globally recognized one of the greatest romance novels ever written for good reason, so be sure to listen the new Pride and prejudice on audible.com janeaustin introducing.

[Joe]

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[Serena]

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[Joe]

I know you two, Andrew and Alex were friends. Where do you guys stand now? Because you guys do hash it out a little bit during the reunion.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, I think we're good now. So we like, we were good friends on the show and we actually, we visited. Oh, we saw you, Joe. We visited them. Chicago.

[Joe]

Yeah, I was like, I, I mean I saw you guys together before the show aired and you all seemed like, yeah, you were really good friends.

[Bailey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

Yeah. And we were, we visited them in Chicago before the show aired and I think it was just like, like miscommunication, I think.

[Bailey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

I think it was, like, miscommunication. Like, we were getting hate for a lot of the season and they were getting hate for a little bit. And I feel like both parties felt like each other.

[Bailey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

Reaching out.

[Bailey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

And it was also a tough place where, like, both, like. Like, we wanted to also, like, protect our partners and we don't want to, like, misstep. But so, though, obviously there was, like, I haven't re. Listened to the reunion, but I know there was, like, a bit of a back and forth, but, like, during, like, we did, you know, make up with them and, like, we're hanging out.

[Bailey]

Yeah. After.

[Jeremy]

And we're in a good place.

[Bailey]

Yeah. I would say we're in a really good place. And I think for Alex and I, I think it's just overwhelming. Like, it's not. It's hard. Even if you're just receiving hate for a week or two weeks, like, it's still a lot on you and I. Sometimes when you are receiving hate, it feels like it's hard to also reach out to other people. And I think that was a conversation that Alex and I both had. And I also understand, like, defensiveness coming from, like, Jeremy and Andrew because it's like, they want to protect us and, like, we're, you know, our mental's in the ground. So I think it's also, like, it's just a lot of stress, and I'm really happy that, like, we got to clear that up because, like, I didn't want to feel like, leaving paradise and leaving this reunion. Like, I didn't have friends that I made there. And, you know, like, those were. Those are all of our people. And, like, I feel like we really got to leave on a good page with, honestly, everybody there. And I think that's, like, all we could have really asked for.

[Jeremy]

Yeah. And it really was, like, a great cast there and a family there, and only those people know exactly what we went through. So I'm glad we're able to, like, stay friends with everyone.

[Bailey]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Nice.

[Serena]

How was the vibe at the after party? I heard after the reunion, you guys all went out.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, I mean, we just went. I don't know if it was so much of an after party, but there was a little dinner.

[Bailey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

Situation. But no, it was fun. Everyone was in good spirits.

[Bailey]

Yeah. I feel like we were all, like, we're all just hanging out. Even after we filmed the podcast, we honestly, like, we're all. Because, you know, after you film the podcast, like, certain people are going to do, like, mini podcasts or mini talks. And we're all just filming content and just sitting there and talking with each other. And it just felt like we honestly just got to be like silly again and laugh. I think this season has been a little bit very intensely emotional. And I feel like we all haven't really gotten that much time to laugh about things and laugh about each other and laugh about what happened there. And I feel like that was really good. We got to do that after the reunion. I feel like that's literally like we were all. Everyone, like Alicia, Kat, like Priest, like we were all Alex and I. Like we're all together and I feel like, like that's really like what you want.

[Jeremy]

I think we all kind of realize too that this is probably the last time we're all going to be in the same place.

[Bailey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

And like, everything is like. We try to like, you know, move past and just like have fun.

[Bailey]

Yeah.

[Serena]

Yeah. It's like therapeutic.

[Bailey]

Yeah, it was really therapeutic.

[Joe]

It is too. It's like, you know, after. After the show airs and stuff, you kind of like look back and like in even a few months from now, you're gonna look back and be like, that was such a good time. Like, we actually did have a good time down there. Okay, so you guys announced some news. You are moving in together?

[Jeremy]

Yeah, yeah, we don't have a definite date.

[Bailey]

Yeah, we don't date yet, but like.

[Jeremy]

Definitely by the end of the year.

[Bailey]

Yeah, by the end of the year for sure. I have a lot of clothes, so I think just it's gonna be a really good luck. Thankfully he has like a giant loft and it's. There's nothing up there. He has like four things up there. And so I'm gonna put. Throw all my shit up there. Everything. But yeah, I think going through all my clothes is going to be hard. And deciding what I'm going to like pick and choose to bring to New York will be really cool and also very stressful. So I think that's. We have a lot of traveling coming up. So kind of after we slow down on the traveling, when it's like freezing cold in New York, that's when we'll start doing.

[Joe]

Perfect time.

[Bailey]

Perfect.

[Joe]

What is the traveling look like? Where are you guys going?

[Bailey]

I'm going to Abu Dhabi. Into China.

[Joe]

Oh, wow.

[Bailey]

On the 24th of September, I leave to go to Abu Dhabi and then I'm going to be in China. So that'll be really cool. I've always like, wanted to go to China and that's gonna be like, awesome. And some fun things. He's working on that. I don't think he's allowed to share yet, but, you know, stay tuned. I think that will be really cool. And then. Yeah, well, we're gonna just take it day by day and. Yeah, keep planning our future. So it's been really good.

[Serena]

Nice. And then you'll move into Jeremy's current apartment?

[Bailey]

Yeah, he resigned his lease, so.

[Serena]

Okay, nice. You have some time.

[Bailey]

Process of reset.

[Serena]

I don't want to knock on wood.

[Joe]

Is it Jeremy, you have a one bedroom or two bedroom?

[Jeremy]

It's a one bedroom, but it's. It's kind of like a weird, like, setup where it's like a one bathroom, but I have two full bathrooms. And it's, like, amazing. I got very lucky with it, so I don't want to lose it.

[Joe]

Nice.

[Serena]

Yeah, no, that's nice. Oh, my gosh, Bailey, you have your own bathroom.

[Bailey]

I know. It's so nice. I'm like, get away from me.

[Serena]

How has the.

[Bailey]

Yeah, we'll have. We all have. We'll have a poop bathroom and then a normal bathroom, and there you go. It's his personal bathroom.

[Serena]

How is the meeting the family and friends been going?

[Jeremy]

It's been great. So I flew out to Portugal and met her mom and sister, which was great. I mean, I'd never been to Portugal, so I had so much fun. And then I also was in Atlanta and met her brother, and I met a bunch of her friends, and she had met. She actually met some of my family in Chicago. I have, like, cousins and aunts and uncles out there. And she has met my dad and his wife and my older sister, but she hasn't met my mom or younger sister.

[Bailey]

Yeah. So we're figuring out. Yeah, we've been traveling a lot, so I feel like, you know, we've got to figure out time to, like, go to Connecticut and really get to see everyone. But, yeah, we've been doing a lot of friends. It turns out we have a lot of friends, so that will be really. I'm like, okay, more friends are keeping a list of everyone. But, yeah, I feel like we've been doing a good job of, like, FaceTiming our friends and doing introductions that way. And he's met a lot of my best friends as well. So I feel like, you know, we're working towards meeting everyone that really matters, and I feel like it's been really good.

[Joe]

Has everyone in your life been supportive of your relationship or have you had some criticism?

[Bailey]

I think that. I think for the. Honestly, what really helped is he got to meet a lot of my friends before the show aired. So I feel like they got to really get to know him as a person. And I think that's what really helped, being able to separate these small moments of drama of, like, where you would think your friends should be questioning things. And I think my friends realized that this is still a TV show and, like, they have gotten to really know him, like, inside and out. And so I feel like we've been honestly, really well received by like, all of our friends and family. Honestly, my mom, like, didn't watch. She was like, it's too much tv. She's like, respectfully, love you guys. But she's like, I do not have time for that. So her friends, like, send her recaps and it's really funny and she'll watch. She watches TikTok, so she'll watch, like, recaps on that.

[Joe]

I love that. I love that your mom and I don't have time.

[Bailey]

She was like, it was top three episodes for Grant season. She's like, you're on all 10.

[Serena]

She's like, like, Bailey, I was hoping you were going to make it that far.

[Bailey]

I thought you were going to be there for two weeks. Like, she's like, why? Why are you in every episode there? Three hours long. I was like, I know, girl. Like, I'm sorry.

[Serena]

She's like, like, sit down and watch me. She's like, I can't.

[Bailey]

Portugal too. So it's like, you know, it's five hours ahead. So she's like, so I have to stay up till 2am and watch this? She's like, no, I'm good.

[Serena]

She's like, you just tell me.

[Bailey]

No, literally, she's like, you just tell me. And everyone just texts her updates. But I feel like, I feel like your mom didn't really fully watch. She watched.

[Jeremy]

No, my mom watched. I mean, the thing. My friend, my friends and family, like, they know I could be an idiot. And they also know, like, they also know how I am as a person. So, like, they don't really.

[Bailey]

Yeah, they were laughing. They were like, oh, you're being like, that's a joke. And other people didn't know it was a joke.

[Jeremy]

And then in terms of, like, even before they met, like, my friends and family trust me, so they know if I love someone, they'll love them as well.

[Bailey]

Yeah, same. I feel like they, both of our friends and family really trust, like, our decision making skills. So I feel like that's also really peaceful. So we're really lucky that everyone's Been, like, really supportive of this journey and really happy that it's also, like, slightly over for us, that we have, like, calm moments finally. And so, yeah, yeah, we're excited.

[Joe]

During. During the reunion, Jeremy, we hear you say to Kathy, like, don't take my words out of context. Yeah. Why do you think she did that?

[Jeremy]

Well, I think it was two. I think two parts. But that original part she was talking about, I think was literally from the night before when I saw her in the hotel. And I don't even remember what she said.

[Bailey]

Oh, I know, I know. So basically, she said something. Kathy came to our hotel room before the reunion was filmed. She was, like, on the same floor as us, and. And Parisa did, too. We were all there. We were, like, looking at seals outside of our balcony, and we were, like, making jokes, because I think, like, me, Kathy, and Jeremy were all Tauruses, and we all have, like, really dark sense of humors. I think Kathy especially. And so she'll always make jokes and be like, you know, I love you. And then Jeremy calls her a traitor for sending us home, which, like, she is the reason we went home. And, like, we stand by that. I'm like, kathy, I love you. I adore you. But, like, you still sent me home. You know, like, there's still little beats. No, there's not real beef.

[Serena]

But we just, like, you cost me.

[Bailey]

Half a mil, $500,000, Kathy. So I don't know, like, pay up. I'll take monthly installments at this point. But, yeah, so we always just have this, like, little banter back and forth. And she just asked Jeremy. She's like, do you still hate the Goldens? And he was like, I don't.

[Jeremy]

And then also, like, referencing the thing I said in the day. I'm like, no. Like, I first I. And I explained myself in the reunion. I wasn't a fan of them coming to the beach at first. I ended up, you know, loving Keith and Kathy. When I made that comment, I was like, yeah. Like, I didn't want to stand around and listen to these long monologues forever when I was, like, trying to talk to Bailey. But I, like. I don't hate. I happen to, like, love Keith and Kathy. Kathy's. We give each other shit. I tell her. I'm like, she's like my aunt. Where, like, we'll just go and, like, around and, like, talk shit about each other.

[Bailey]

Yeah, Kathy, like, loves to talk shit, which I love.

[Joe]

She's still mad at Serena for, like. For, like, two years.

[Serena]

No, I think we actually Finally. No, Kathy does hold grudges.

[Bailey]

That's.

[Joe]

You're gonna say that right now?

[Serena]

Yes. And, Kathy, if you're listening, I stand by this comment. You hold grudges. Okay?

[Bailey]

Literally, she looked us in the eye and she was like, I don't hold grudges.

[Jeremy]

I'm like, you guys do.

[Bailey]

I'm like, you're a Taurus. You do hold grudges. And I know because I hold. Like, I have had grudges for, like, 20 years. Like, I'm full in the paint. Like, I stand ten toes down on some things. And I'm like, Kathy, you 100% do hold.

[Serena]

I love you, but I think so, too. I think.

[Joe]

Kathy, Kathy, I just want to let you know, if you are listening to this, I'm staying out of it. So just. Just let you know.

[Bailey]

Joe is not math.

[Jeremy]

Me and Kathy are cool. She's invited us down to Austin.

[Bailey]

We love her.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, she's good.

[Bailey]

She's amazing.

[Joe]

This episode of Bachelor Happy Hour is brought to you by Malibu. When the clock hits 5:01, it's not just the end of your day, it's the beginning of your time to kick back, turn off the work brain, and turn up the good vibes. Malibu is here to turn your after hours into island hours, where the only thing on your to do list is fun. I personally love hanging out with friends in the backyard, unwinding, telling stories, having some great drinks. It is my favorite. You deserve to unplug, unwind, and feel like you're on vacation, even if you're just in your backyard. And a great way to do that is with a delicious Malibu pina colada. Whether it's on the patio with friends at a front porch hang or just catching that sunset with someone special. Make the moment matter. Clock off with Malibu because life's too short not to do whatever tastes good. Sip easy. Enjoy Malibu responsibly. Copyright 2025, imported by Pernod Ricard USA New York, NY.

[Serena]

We've all heard of Pride and Prejudice, so I had to share that the audible original Pride and Prejudice is an intimate performance that will have you falling in love with the Jane Austen classic all over again. Pride and Prejudice stars a full cast of voices you'll love to listen to, including Marisa Abela, known from industry and black bag as Elizabeth Bennett, and Harris Dickinson, known from Baby Girl and where the crawdads sing as the dreamy Mr. Darcy. Plus Marianne, Jean Baptiste, Will Poulter, Bill Nye, and Glenn Close as Lady Catherine de Bourgh. Marisa Abella brings you inside stubborn and complicated mind of Elizabeth Bennet as she navigates family expectations, societal pressures and her own misconceptions. When she meets the enigmatic Mr. Darcy, this new adaptation is vibrant and modern with an original new score by a Grammy nominated composer really drawing you into the story. Whether you're fresh to Pride and Prejudice like I am or want to revisit a cherished favorite, you're in for a new and delightful listening experience. Before enemies to lovers existed, there was Elizabeth Bennet and Mr. Darcy Queen. Classic fan favorite Pride and Prejudice is globally recognized as one of the greatest romance novels ever written for good reason. So be sure to listen the new Pride and prejudice on audible.com janeaustin introducing.

[Joe]

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[Serena]

Bring the boom XBoom let's talk about sex. Actually, let's talk about pregnancy prevention. There are a lot of birth control options out there. You might have even tried a bunch. Have you heard of Nexplanon etnogestrel implant? 68 milligram radiopaque? It's a prescription birth control for the prevention of pregnancy in women. When thinking about the right birth control for you, learn about your options. You may not want to take one daily or have One that goes in your uterus. Nexplanon is the birth control implant that goes in your arm. Don't use nexplanon if you're pregnant or may be pregnant, have or had blood clots or certain cancers, have liver disease, liver tumor, or unexplained vaginal bleeding. Once the implant is placed, you and your doctor should feel for it. If at any time you can't feel the implant, contact your doctor right away and use a non hormonal birth control method such as condoms. Removal of the implant may be difficult or impossible if it isn't where it should be. While uncommon ectopic pregnancy, pregnancy that occurs outside the womb can occur, which can cause serious internal bleeding, infertility, and even death. You are likely to experience changes to your period. Ovarian cysts may occur and usually disappear. Nexplanon may raise the chance of serious blood clots, which can cause heart attack, stroke, or death, especially if you smoke or have other risk factors. Nexplanon doesn't protect against HIV or STDs. Talk to your doctor. Visit nexplanon.com or call 1-877-467-5266 for more information. There are so many options out there, so it's important to talk to your doctor and find the right birth control for you. Ask for yourself. Ask for nexplanon.

[Joe]

So when you guys. When you guys go back to the finale for. What is it called? The Jury of Something.

[Serena]

The jury of peers.

[Joe]

The jury of peers. Yeah.

[Bailey]

Parliament. Paradise. Theory of Parliament.

[Serena]

Of Paradise.

[Joe]

Were you. Were you guys completely shocked over the whole. Sean, Cat. Cat's got a boyfriend who she's texting.

[Bailey]

Yeah.

[Serena]

There's a good shot of you, Jeremy, right?

[Bailey]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You just did. What you just did was what you did.

[Jeremy]

Like, how could you not be shocked? I didn't know really about any of that. So I was kind of. I was kind of surprised.

[Bailey]

Yeah, we were just like fresh off getting eliminated also. So, like, I think we got eliminated and they were like, surprise, you're not going home. We were like, like, what?

[Jeremy]

You'll be back in the script back.

[Bailey]

And like, obviously at that moment, we, like, had a little bit of revenge in our mind. I think that's why we wore black. And we were like, you know, we're gonna be. Do all that. But then we were also just like, we love these people. Like, they're our friends. So then when we got there, we were just like, ah, you know, whatever, whatever, revenge. But yeah, I think that was really crazy. Like, we were very shocked. I know Sean and Alicia did. You weren't with me, but they just let me know that they were gonna, like, like, talk about things they wanted everyone to know, like, the truth or, you know, whatever. They. They wanted to get things off their chest. And I was like. And it's hard because I think in that moment, you don't want to be seen, like going around and having small conversations. So it's like you're faced with two evils. It's like, do you address the whole group or do you go around to everyone and have all these side conversations?

[Serena]

And so, yeah, and you do see her say that in the finale where she's like, did we make the wrong decision? But like, like the alternative is pulling everyone one by one. And then that's also sneaky. I mean, I feel like they were committed to saying their piece. It was more just a matter of like how they were.

[Bailey]

Yeah. I think that's why they stayed because they were like, we have this information and we want it to be shared. So. Yeah. Yeah. It was shocking. I feel like every day in paradise was shocking. I never had a dull moment. We were at war every day.

[Serena]

Who did you guys vote for?

[Bailey]

For the jury of peers?

[Serena]

Did you vote for?

[Bailey]

We voted. We voted differently. I voted for Jess and Spencer to share the prize money with Alex and Andrew. Jeremy holds grudges. So.

[Jeremy]

In the, in the reunion, I. Yeah, I voted for no one to move forward and as nothing besides Alexander, besides for Alex and Andrew, they were already like in the finals at that point and nothing to do. By the way, Spencer and Dale are both good friends of mine. Like, I love them both, but nothing to do besides the fact that they both sent me home. They both voted to send me home. Like, why would I not vote to send you home?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

You have half a million. I'm not gonna give you half a million.

[Jeremy]

Yeah. And like me and Spencer talked. We talked about it that night. We've talked about it multiple times. We talked about it yesterday.

[Bailey]

Yeah. We were still friends when that happened. We were still friends after. And honestly, I also was just like, I know if Justin Spencer do win, they're gon take us to Disney on an all expense paid vacation. So I mean it.

[Jeremy]

And not for nothing, I also knew that I was probably one of the only people voting like that. Like, I knew no matter what that Justin Spencer were moving forward.

[Bailey]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Bailey]

Gotcha. Yeah.

[Serena]

I don't think it was a surprise as a viewer that that's kind of how. How the vote swung. If you guys had been the only couple at the end and it was between each other or half a mile, have you thought about what you would have done?

[Jeremy]

We talked about this once because while we were still there, we were like, what if the final challenge is choosing money or love? I was like, yeah, like, I'll. I'll take the money for us so we have money, and then we'll just rekindle the next day and all of.

[Bailey]

Whenever the contract goes out.

[Joe]

I was like, I mean, yeah, that's. That's just, like. So that, like.

[Bailey]

Like, why wouldn't you do $500,000? I'll tell you why.

[Jeremy]

It's because people are, like, too scared to look like a. Like a douchebag on tv. But, like, I will gladly do that for a quarter million that we get a split.

[Bailey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

Or half a million, however much it was gonna.

[Bailey]

A bit.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

Yeah. Bailey's just standing there, like, Jeremy's down with a bag of money. She's like, hey, see you tomorrow.

[Bailey]

One thing about me to New York.

[Joe]

And, like, I'd already, like.

[Jeremy]

Obviously, we could just, like, BM each other the next day or something, but I'd already, like, memorized her phone number. So, like, it was like.

[Bailey]

He was like, I know who I'm texting. We thought we were going to be, like, separated. All sudden. We got eliminated, and we actually just got to leave together, which was really nice. Like. Like fully together. So he was, like, memorizing my phone number so that he could text me as soon as we got our phones. But, yeah, we did talk about it, and obviously, you know, I was going to pick love, because that's me. And he was going to pick money so that we could survive and do everything we wanted. So.

[Joe]

The way the shit. The way the show used to work and it kind of still does is it was an engagement at the end. You guys were close to the end. Did you have a conversation about a potential engagement?

[Jeremy]

Yeah. I mean, the conversation for us was like, that we're not ready for that yet. I'm very happy for Justin Spencer. Love them both. Like, we were. Even though we're in the show, we're also trying to take it like normal life, which. Which is hard to do. I asked her to be my girlfriend at the end. I thought that was a big step. I would never have done that if, you know, I wasn't serious about it. But I don't think either of us would have been ready for a real engagement after, you know, a few weeks, no matter how well, you get to know someone after a few weeks, and neither of us, like, want to just get engaged for the hell.

[Bailey]

Yeah. Like, I definitely didn't want to. I think also just, like, where we were emotionally, I can't fathom us getting engaged, and then, like, if it didn't work in the real world, I would be, like, very distraught. So I feel like, obviously, you come to the show thinking you might get engaged. Like, did I bring a dress? Of course. I'm prepared for everything. But I was. I think as we kind of got closer, we were just like, oh, wait, we need to. Just can't fathom doing this right now. For us, at least. Like, I think we really wanted to, like, acclimate into normal life, and we knew that we had distance and a lot of things in the way, and just we wanted to make sure that that would work outside of paradise, too, so.

[Jeremy]

And it does.

[Bailey]

Yeah. And it does. So I feel like, you know, everyone's on their own timeline, and everyone else. Everyone has different goals in mind, and I feel like we made the right decision for us, and, yeah, we're really happy.

[Joe]

Yeah. Like, regardless of what anyone says, like, we're. We're a couple that got engaged and it worked. But, like, there's a big part of doing that. There's, like, luck involved. Like, we got luck.

[Serena]

It's a risk.

[Joe]

It's a big risk because you really do only know each other for 18 days.

[Serena]

Yeah. Like, we were like, well, see how this goes?

[Joe]

Like, if that was. If it was. If it was the regular. If we were in the real world and I met Serena and then 18 days later I asked her to marry me, she would have been. She would be like, this guy's.

[Serena]

I'd be like, I'm getting a restraining r. Yeah.

[Bailey]

You're like, oh, he's insane. Yeah.

[Jeremy]

I mean, on the flip side, I. I do slightly get it in the sense that, like, time moves different. So, like, 18 or however long on.

[Bailey]

Paris, three years in the real world. So that's three years bachelor, obviously. So.

[Serena]

It'S. You know, Bachelor nation is small in terms of the contestants that have been on the show. Is it gonna be awkward if you guys run into Susie? Have you run into Susie?

[Bailey]

No, I don't, actually. So I feel like I have so much love for Susie. I think she's literally the greatest person ever. She's so sweet. She's so amazing. She's so nice. And actually, after. I don't know what episode it was, but after, basically, the phone call came to light. She sent me literally the sweetest message I've ever received. It was. Was very long, and I had to take some time to actually read it because I was overwhelmed in that moment. But the message was really encouraging. And I. And, you know, she just let me in on, like, a little bit of details about their date and how Jeremy spoke about me on the date. And she was like, I know he had moments of doubt, but she was like, on the date, I knew that he wasn't going to pick me. I knew he was going to pick you based on how he spoke about you. And I think that was a really, you know, calming thread. And she's always sending me nice messages, and I sent her a really grateful message for that. And, you know, I'm always going to support her and cheer her on, and hopefully when I'm in LA again, we'll find some time to, like, hang out and do something, because I actually met her at, like, Grant afr, so. And she was so sweet then. So, yeah, I think we'll definitely continue friendship. And I feel like there's no. There's no bad blood. There's no beef. Obviously, we wish that her name, like, wouldn't have been dragged on for so long. I think that that's really hard for her to have to, like, deal with. It's like, dang, she's still getting brought up, you know?

[Joe]

Yeah, this girl got an hour.

[Bailey]

It's hard for both of us, but I do really feel for her. I feel like. Of just being like, okay, you left. And then, like, you know, that next episode happened where her name was brought up again, but. And then later, it's like, four episodes later, it's like, it's still brought up. So, yeah, that was intense. I also feel like the comment on the finale of Susie, who was a little bit intense and very unnecessary, necessary. I don't even think he didn't even notice it, but I did. And I was like, oh, my God, that's really intense, because that's really not how we view it. There's no, like, you know, bad blood. Obviously he's, like, keeping distance, because that would be crazy. But, you know, I have. I really. I really do, like, think she's an amazing person. So. Yeah.

[Serena]

Yeah. Wow. That's so nice that she reached out to you and, like, kind of supported both of you in that way, like, in, like, your relationship journey.

[Bailey]

He's such a good person. I feel like she's really, honestly, just, like, making jokes and laughs about it, and I think that's all that you can do like, is just be silly about it because there's no bad blood any.

[Joe]

For a couple you guys have, you went through a lot, a lot of backlash and you guys have made it through. You made it through the storm. Any advice you would give to a couple that kind of goes through it, you know, next season. A paradise.

[Bailey]

Nice.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, I'll give the advice that I give to her, which is like, stay off Reddit. Like, who cares what these 50 people are saying? Like, don't look in the. Like, I could tell for her the difference. Like if we wake up one morning and she looks at like comments on like Instagrams or doesn't like, I could tell the difference in how she's acting.

[Serena]

Yeah, it's.

[Jeremy]

I mean, it's much easier. Like I, I have pretty thick skin and if you get tens of thousands of comments, like, they could start to get to you and it's, it gets to a point where it's hard not to look. But also after being through it, all of it, like, try to stay out of the comments and like just laugh at it, like maybe laugh at it like after the drama.

[Bailey]

Yeah. And I think also, just like, I think also Alex and Andrew mentioned this at the reunion, but just being able to like restart your relationship when you come home, obviously you take the foundation that you built in paradise, but I think also just restarting and living normal life together is really important. And I think that's what really like helped us and made us realize that we really do like love each other. This like, love that we started with and felt while we were there actually did translate for us. And I think that was really important too. And yeah, spending a lot of time together, I feel like coming. You go from paradise where you're with each other all day every day, you barely spend time alone. And so I think it was really important for us to always keep planning trips and like making, you know, as many advanced plans as we can of just look forward to.

[Jeremy]

That was super important because we both previously been in like long distance relationships and we both didn't want that. So we were like, we need to put an effort there. And it's honestly been super easy. And we've spent like the majority of the time really next to each other since. Since the show ended filming.

[Serena]

That's amazing.

[Joe]

I think that's, I think that's the correct advice. Well, I do, I do. I actually. But that's kind of what I've always, always said. Thank you guys so much for coming on. I, I truly think you guys are going to make it like all the way. That's, that's my, that's my prediction.

[Serena]

We believe in you guys. We're really happy for you guys.

[Joe]

I. I do believe in you guys. So, yeah, congrats on everything.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

Thank you.

[Serena]

Thank you.

[Jeremy]

See you guys in New York.

[Bailey]

Yeah, definitely.

[Joe]

And to our listeners, thank you guys so much for listening to Better Happy Hour. Make sure you download and subscribe to the podcast.

[Serena]

We will have new and exclusive interviews for you every single week. Thanks for listening. Bye.

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