Behind the Scenes of ‘The Bachelorette’ | Happy Hour

Summary

Bachelor Happy Hour: Behind the Scenes of ‘The Bachelorette’ | Happy Hour

Episode Date: January 20, 2026
Hosts: Charity Lawson & Rachel Recchia
Podcast: Bachelor Happy Hour (iHeartPodcasts/Warner Bros)

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Episode Overview

In this candid, laughter-filled episode, “The Bachelorette” alums Charity Lawson and Rachel Recchia dive deep into behind-the-scenes moments from their respective seasons and the world of Bachelor Nation. The duo answers fan questions, reminisces about production chaos, reflects on regrets (and lack thereof), and reveals the real emotional journey viewers rarely get to see. With a mix of fun banter, honest admissions, and franchise gossip, the hosts promise — and deliver — plenty of “juicy behind the scenes tea.”

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Opening: The Reality of Post-Bachelorette Life

• Charity and Rachel reflect on the overwhelming fan support and tease at how the podcast will only get more “unhinged.”
  • “They have no idea how unhinged this is about to become.” — Charity (01:55)
• Rachel shares her 2026 New Year’s motivation: a “full wellness journey” and the “80/20 rule” of balance. Charity jokes about not working out, except maybe joining Equinox for dating possibilities.
  • “So that’s my goal this year, is to meet someone in real life and not on a dating show.” — Charity (04:07)

Bachelor Nation Social Life & Pop Culture

• Rachel attends the "Tell Me Lies" premiere, gushes about meeting cast (and possibly planning dinners or new friendships), and the hosts relate the show’s portrayal of “every girl’s college boyfriend” to their own pasts.
  • “I don’t know how they capture every single girl's college boyfriend so well ... so hard to watch back.” — Charity (05:40)
• They discuss watching habits (“I literally started half of episode one and I fell asleep. ... That’s my homework for tonight!” — Rachel, 05:25-06:46).

Rapid Fire: “Never Did I Ever” Bachelor Edition

Charity and Rachel reveal their real thoughts and second guesses about handing out roses and sending contestants home:

Regrets About Giving a Rose

• Both admit to regretting some rose decisions:
  • Rachel: “Oh, I have. Absolutely.” (07:33)
  • Charity hints regret relates to someone in her final four, but not for reasons fans might guess — she wishes she could have protected them more.
    • “I regret giving a rose just because I wish I could have protected this person more and not put them through what they went through.” — Charity (08:09)
  • Rachel jokes about grand gestures and regrets not sending Brayden home sooner.
    • “Brayden should have snatched the rose back, I think. ... Grand gestures are huge in that environment.” — Rachel (08:48-09:08)

Regrets About Sending Someone Home

• Rachel: Regrets “good Samaritan”/angelic contestant Josh Young left early, feels he “just did not get enough screen time.” They campaign for his return to Paradise. (10:12-12:33)
• Charity: Her regret is sending Jordan B. home on the first one-on-one, wishing she'd given him more time. Admits it took away from his experience (“I really, man, like, I took that whole experience away from him.” — Charity, 13:19).

Changing Their Minds at the Last Minute

• Rachel: Last-minute second thoughts about Aaron B., admitting confusion in the moment (16:49-17:55).
• They spill tea on Aaron B. dating Medina from Joey's season — charity saw them being "very lovey dovey" at “Golden After the Final Rose.” They credit Instagram DMs as the real matchmaking space in Bachelor Nation (“No, they love the DM. ... That’s what we should have a show on.” — Charity & Rachel, 18:23-18:42).

Struggling to Stay Present / Being “Belligerent”

• Rachel admits her least attentive moment was during the Barbie group date, thanks to a champagne overload:
  • “I was about to throw up on [John B.’s] leg ... I literally had to play it off ... could not have a conversation, truly.” — Rachel (21:01)
• The hosts and Gabby are “same Bachelorette, different font” — each a bit chaotic (“I don’t know how they picked three of us all consecutively in a row.” — Rachel, 21:37).

Memorable Makeouts: “I’m in Trouble” Moments

• Charity: Initially unsure about Aven, but after their first kiss, she knew—“Oh, yeah. Like, absolutely.” (23:31-23:44).
• Rachel: A hot tub makeout with Dawton was “the most sensational kiss of my life,” joking about staying in the hot tub despite rain and “sacrificing” her hair for love:
  • “For me to sacrifice that, that’s when you knew I was in love.” — Rachel (26:04)

Producer Drama & “Trouble”

• Rachel: No, never in trouble with producers.
• Charity: Yes, often felt producers wanted chaos; recalls the stress and confusion when contestants switched affections, her and Gabby being put in tough situations, and the pressure of a two-lead season.
  • “No one had any idea what was going on... it was just so much chaos.” — Charity (26:37)
  • “They were saying what they didn’t like about us and why they wanted to date the other. ... Me and Gabby were genuinely like, what is happening?” — Charity (28:26-28:52)

Watching It Back: Biggest Regrets

• Charity: Regrets how she handled the Xavier Fantasy Suite situation; feels she was too gracious and in search of “definite clarity” which might have let him linger on.
  • “One thing about me ... I have to have, like, as much as I can, which I know you don’t always get, like, definite clarity. ... I need to hear from your mouth verbatim, what is it that you like? I’m not trying to decode shit. I can’t do it.” — Charity (33:14-34:02)
• Rachel: Agrees, watching their journey back is much harder than people realize — they’re “winging it with zero guidance.” (36:46)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “There’s nothing I love more than spinning the block.” — Charity (06:27)
• On regretful roses:
  • “I have one that keeps me up at night, and it’s not even the one that people think.” — Charity (07:36)
• On production shenanigans:
  • “I wish that’s how I … I’m like…” — Charity, reacting to Rachel saying she was never in trouble (26:28)
• On the hot tub moment:
  • “It was truly giving The Notebook, but, like, a little bit of Love & Basketball edition.” — Rachel (24:02)
• On the unique challenge of being the lead:
  • “You can talk to as many Bachelorettes as you want, but you can never get the answers. It’s so true.” — Charity (36:46)
  • “You’re just winging it.” — Charity (37:09)

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Fan Q&A Segment (38:12–42:55)

Rachel’s Hidden Singing Talent

• Dalton says Rachel is an amazing singer; asked about Broadway:
  • “That quite literally is the only thing I would possibly do. ... I just want to try it out and see if I like it.” — Rachel (38:52)
  • Rachel dreams of “Color Purple” and being mentored by Cynthia Erivo.

Did Being on The Bachelor Help on Perfect Match?

• Charity says her Bachelor experience helped her keep options open and not be “tunnel visioned.” She was the only one “who switched up” and “dated everyone.”
  • “I think a lot of people who haven’t done the Bachelor, they’re very, like, tunnel vision on, like, this is the only connection for me. They don’t give anyone a chance ... I was the only one who dated everyone, and I did date everyone.” — Charity (41:42)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:46] — Hosts introduce the show & tease upcoming behind-the-scenes “chaos”
• [02:20–05:38] — Weekend catch-up: self-care, gym resolutions, TV show “Tell Me Lies”
• [07:27] — "Never Did I Ever": Regretting giving a rose
• [10:07] — Regretting sending someone home
• [16:49] — Changing mind about someone last minute; Aaron B. & DM Dating
• [19:41] — Struggling to stay present; boozy Barbie date story
• [23:04] — “I’m in trouble after a makeout” moments
• [26:19] — Ever felt in trouble with producers? The challenge of double Bachelorettes
• [32:46] — Biggest regret after watching show back; Fantasy Suite drama
• [38:11] — Fan questions: Rachel’s singing; Charity’s Perfect Match lessons
• [43:49] — Next guest tease: Kelsey Anderson, and end of episode

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Tone & Atmosphere

• Warm, confessional, and a little chaotic—Charity and Rachel maintain a lively, self-deprecating, and honest energy.
• Banter and inside jokes abound, but the episode is remarkably open about the emotional highs and lows of being The Bachelorette, the difficulties of “winging it,” and the difference between reality TV and reality.
• Plenty of humor, especially around franchise traditions (Equinox as casting ground, DMs as paradise, hot tub makeouts, theme of “battery at 2%”), and moments of genuine vulnerability and self-realization.

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For Listeners

Anyone curious about what really goes on behind the scenes of The Bachelorette — from regrets and producer plots to makeout confessions and why group dates get wild — will find this episode candid, funny, and revealing. Charity and Rachel cut through the TV gloss, admit their missteps, and celebrate the friendships (and chaos) Bachelor Nation brings.

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Next Episode Teaser

Kelsey Anderson will join as their first guest, promising even “juicier” details—“we’re going to get all the info on her bbl.” Don’t miss it!

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Charity]

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[Charity]

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[Rachel]

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[Rachel]

Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour.

[Charity]

It is your host Charity and I'm.

[Rachel]

Rachel and we are so excited.

[Charity]

Charity. This has been crazy. The amount of support we have gotten is just so overwhelming. I'm so excited. But I also feel like they have no idea how unhinged this is about to become.

[Rachel]

No, literally, like, I mean I think you said it best. It's like actually chaos like it is. It's coming in. It's coming in hot.

[Charity]

It truly is. I am so excited for this episode, especially because.

[Rachel]

Tell me more.

[Charity]

We were giving some juicy behind the scenes tea about our seasons and we're going to continue it today. But before, what did you get up to this weekend?

[Rachel]

What have you been honest doing? Let me tell you something about this 2026, okay? I am on like a full wellness journey. I don't think anyone actually understands. I have. I have no other choice but to turn my wife around okay. Like, I ended last year in a great place, but I'm like, I need to, like, expand upon that. So, like, me and Dawton, we, like, the first thing we did when we got back, we, like, deep cleaned our.

[Charity]

So Vegas didn't count. It wasn't part of the wellness for, like, socializing.

[Rachel]

Correct. And, you know, there is a. There is a healthy balance. So I call it the 8020 rule. So that was a 20, even though that was, like, 100 capacity in Vegas. But here we are, we're back in New York City, and I have to keep going. I have to go back to the baseline.

[Charity]

What have you been doing?

[Rachel]

No, we just been, like, I don't know, just like. I mean, I'm working out every day. Like, you don't understand. 10k steps a day is the goal. Like, Rachel, your mouth is open.

[Charity]

Well, everyone knows I do not work out. No, I don't go to the gym.

[Rachel]

And it's crazy because I'm like, I only know that because of the. The whole thing with you and Clay and isn't that insane how I know that?

[Charity]

And you know what's even funnier this year? I was like, you know what? I should get an Equinox membership just so I can Ben at the Equinox. And my friends were like, rachel, you literally can't, like, after you doubled down so hard about the gym. You cannot go to the gym.

[Rachel]

No, you actually can, though, because you're like. You can do Pilates. They're like, no, that's actually genius. You actually should, like, I'm telling you, some of the best of the best person.

[Charity]

So that's my goal this year, is to meet someone in real life and not on a dating show.

[Rachel]

That's where they need to start casting for the show. Pull from Equinox, because those men at least. At least have that part of their life in order. Okay?

[Charity]

So they do a good shape, they look good, and that's all that matters to me. So beyond that, have you been watching Tell me Lies?

[Rachel]

Okay, I'm like, I'm ashamed because I literally just went to the premiere this past week, and I need to tell.

[Charity]

Me how that was.

[Rachel]

It was insane. First of all, I'm like, they're all beautiful humans. Like, gorgeous. Oh, I was. I was shook. And she's actually, like, really tall. I mean, I'm short, but I was like, oh, my God, this is a queen. Like, queen.

[Charity]

I can't look at her on screen. And the girl who plays Bri, beyond stunning.

[Rachel]

They're all stunning. Like, they were also just very nice, too, which I feel like that's always, like, a hit or miss when you meet or have the opportunity to meet a cast, but. But, like, very social. Like.in like, got like, two of their numbers. I'm like, okay, are we about to, like, go to dinner with you guys? Like, what's next?

[Charity]

No way. Did they tell you any tea about this season?

[Rachel]

Not yet, but I'm like, hopefully that's in the work. So I will. Don't worry. That's why I got a microphone now. We'll be. We'll be talking about it.

[Charity]

I. Well, I have told me you were going to watch it last night.

[Rachel]

I know. I literally started half of episode one and I fell asleep. I'm so sorry. I will do it tonight, I promise.

[Charity]

Because we need to debrief because no way. I am so traumatized by this man.

[Rachel]

It is insane.

[Charity]

I don't know how they capture every single girl's college boyfriend so well in this show. And that's what makes it so hard to watch back.

[Rachel]

No, same. Literally same. I'm like, no, he is literally all I dated in college. This is it. Like, that was the type to a.

[Charity]

T. I don't know how we all did it, but I think if I saw that man in person, I would be afraid of him.

[Rachel]

Oh, you would. And there's a part of him that's like. It's like you're afraid. But obviously I'm like, with Lou, like, there's a reason why we. We keep going back, you know? Like, he. I don't even know. I really don't. Because I'm like, in my current lifetime, I would never see him again. Like, actually never. But in the past, oh, I would have. Listen, we would have been spinning the block like it was no tomorrow.

[Charity]

There's nothing I love more than spinning the block.

[Rachel]

So I know. I was like this. He's like, I'm sorry. Like, he's perfect.

[Charity]

Your type, to a T. No, genuinely, you guys have no idea. He is my college boyfriend.

[Rachel]

How quick did you watch the episodes? Because I. I want to know if I can get through them. Like, I know I will, but, like.

[Charity]

Yeah, I poured all tonight. I got through all three. The first time it came out, I couldn't stop. And now I have to wait, like, a week. And I hate when Hulu does that. Like, just drop.

[Rachel]

Like, I kind of want to just, like, put. I'm trying to, like, push it close so I don't have, like, such a long period in between. But okay, well, that's, like, my homework for tonight.

[Charity]

Don't worry.

[Rachel]

I'm. I'm sat and ready, and that's absolutely.

[Charity]

All I got into this weekend. So we can jump right into our questions.

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[Charity]

I feel like these are the juicy ones.

[Rachel]

Yeah, I know. I was like, I like it.

[Charity]

We were playing a little safe, and now we're getting into the good ones.

[Rachel]

So I'm gonna give y' all what y' all want to hear.

[Charity]

Never did I ever regret giving someone a rose.

[Rachel]

Oh, I have. Absolutely.

[Charity]

I have one that keeps me up at night, and it's not even the one that people think.

[Rachel]

Can I guess?

[Charity]

Yeah, you can guess.

[Rachel]

Okay. Wait, is it someone in your final four?

[Charity]

Yes.

[Rachel]

Okay. And you said it's not the one people think, so I feel like people think it's Zachary.

[Charity]

No, see, I think people would think it's Tino.

[Rachel]

Oh. So is it Zach?

[Charity]

I don't know. I can't say.

[Rachel]

Yes, you can. I need it. I need it.

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[Charity]

And you know what? It's not even the reason that people think. I think I regret giving a rose just because I wish I could have protected this person more and not put them through what they went through.

[Rachel]

Okay, okay. Okay.

[Charity]

And that's what I will say. So now, Charity.

[Rachel]

Okay, no, that makes. That makes sense. Shall we start from day one? Because I can take it from day one all the way to the last week if you want me to.

[Charity]

What's your juiciest rose you would recommend?

[Rachel]

I feel like the obvious one. Ooh. I don't really care, truly. I'm getting married this week. I don't. I mean, not this week. Oh, my God, Charity.

[Charity]

She's eloping. You heard it here first. Bachelor Happy Hour exclusive.

[Rachel]

I'm so sorry. I'm getting married this year, so it doesn't matter. Um, yeah. So the obvious, I think, again, we talked about it on the first episode. Brayden should have snatched the rose back, I think. Yeah, I think Aaron B. A little bit. I should have never, like. I think when I went back, that was, like, such a big, like, mistake. I don't want to say.

[Charity]

Grand gestures are huge in that environment.

[Rachel]

I. Let me tell you something about a grand gesture, because I was not prepared. That was not a grand gesture. That was, like, my favorite scene, shot.

[Charity]

Right in the background, laid out on the chair.

[Rachel]

It was pure. I wish everyone understood what was really going on. I had the most acid reflux I've ever had in my life. I could not stop burping.

[Charity]

Indigestion, helping Nothing.

[Rachel]

I was like, why is this man here? And then I'm like, wait, I'm excited. I think I'm like, I couldn't even tell you what I felt. So that in itself. Yes. I regret maybe keeping that for a few more hours.

[Charity]

And you know what? He's in a relationship. You're getting married.

[Rachel]

Let me tell you something. We are all moving on with our lives, peace and happiness, and I love that. I love it.

[Charity]

Absolutely.

[Rachel]

Okay, let's do the next one. Never did I ever regret sending someone home.

[Charity]

I have one.

[Rachel]

Oh. Oh, I do. Oh, my God. Wait, I love mine.

[Charity]

Actually, wait, I want to hear yours first.

[Rachel]

Okay. Mine is. Which. I feel like he. He just did not get enough screen time. But when I say this man is literally the definition of a Good Samaritan. Like, truly, like a disciple. A disciple. It is. It's literally Josh. I don't know if you guys remember him. He went home, like, I think week two. He is literally an angel. And he look like. I'm like, I can't even think of his last name. I, like. I don't even know my last name. He is like. He's mixed. Yeah.

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[Rachel]

Someone. Hell. What is his last name?

[Charity]

I'm looking.

[Rachel]

It's Josh.

[Charity]

Should I follow him right now?

[Rachel]

I feel like I know who we're talking about, but I'm not 100.

[Charity]

Was he on your date?

[Rachel]

Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Josh Young, the one that Gabby and Rachel hosted? Yes. No, no. I'm telling you. Who's an angel?

[Charity]

He was there.

[Rachel]

He had to watch.

[Charity]

Okay, I don't remember him. All I remember is John Henry's tongue ring and Joey.

[Rachel]

That's enough.

[Charity]

That's all I remember from that date.

[Rachel]

Stop the madness.

[Charity]

I also think me and Gabby had, like, seven glasses of champagne before.

[Rachel]

No, y'.

[Charity]

All.

[Dr. Jake Goodman]

One.

[Rachel]

I was trying to match that. I was trying to match the energy. And I was like, I can't keep up. These are two icons I haven't gotten there yet.

[Dr. Jake Goodman]

Literally.

[Charity]

That was crazy that that was allowed.

[Rachel]

Okay, wait. Chiming in.

[Charity]

Justice for Josh.

[Rachel]

He was.

[Charity]

I don't.

[Rachel]

I have to talk about this on. I. This is.

[Charity]

Okay, let's talk about Harvard grad students. No, Harvard graduates.

[Rachel]

We won't talk about it, but we'll talk about it here. No, I know, Rachel, when I say one thing I am grateful for is, like, out of all people, like, obviously, Dalton is, like, close to a lot of the guys from the cast. They have such all great, healthy relationships, but he is the one person that I'm like, this man. Keep him in your corner forever. And he's, like, also just, like, good friends with my. My brother. Like, he is an angel. This man does no wrong. The things he advocates for. He, like, worked for, like, public, like, housing, like, trying to help, like. No, I'm telling you, a Harvard grad.

[Charity]

Perfect Bachelor contestant, and should have went to paradise. Should we push for him?

[Rachel]

Yeah, I don't know. I'm like, he's too good for paradise. I mean that in the most respectful way. I'm like, Rachel, you should. You should. You should do that. He's an.

[Charity]

Okay, wait, Josh, we love that.

[Rachel]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Charity]

Okay.

[Rachel]

Okay, let's hear yours.

[Charity]

Mine. I've already, like, I feel like, been on record was my first one on one with Jordan B. And I sent him home, and we obviously had, like, our re. Like, reuniting in paradise moment. And I said this, but I just feel like at the time, like, that first one on one, it was so different from my one on one on the Bachelor, and it just felt like it wasn't, like, flowing the same. So I was like, okay, well, obviously there's. There's nothing there, but I think, yeah, just nervous. I didn't know what to do. And then looking back, I'm like. I feel bad. I didn't, like, let him have, like.

[Rachel]

See it through to the end or, like, you know, a little bit more time.

[Charity]

No, I. I really, man, like, I took that whole experience away from him.

[Rachel]

And I think that, like, I mean, obviously, like, we don't know, rewriting history a little bit, but, like, if you did keep him, do you think that he would have, like, had potential, like.

[Charity]

Knowing what you may literally never know? Like, I know because he literally probably hates me. I feel like I ruined. I ruined Bachelorette and Paradise for this poor man.

[Rachel]

He's an angel.

[Charity]

He's an angel. He's an angel. Angel.

[Rachel]

Just maybe, yeah, maybe we'll put him and Josh, like, we'll.

[Charity]

We'll put their.

[Rachel]

Put their names in there in the hat, but I also think that they're just both too good. Yes.

[Charity]

I think they both should go. I'm going to root for them.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

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[Rachel]

Never did I ever change my mind about someone at the last minute. Yes, no minus. I mean I kind of already answered it like Aaron B. That was like oh my God he's here. Like like what am I going to do now? Say no like in the moment I could have, but it Just, I think I was just. I was confusion, so I didn't know. So maybe that. But yeah, I don't think. I think I was pretty confident towards the end, like, about the guys, like, who I wanted to keep. Yeah. Since we have answered Aaron B. Or said his name twice at this point, I think we should pause a little bit and talk about how he's dating Medina from Joey season I, which is coming and they in paradise. No. I was like, when did this happen? I'm over here asking. I'm like, spill the tea right now. What's going on? Has this been blown up in the boys group chat? Like, what's happening?

[Charity]

Right. And I actually saw them at the golden after the final rose sitting what was very lovey dovey. I actually, I never met her and I love her. Like, she was so sweet. They were like, nice, kept to themselves the whole time.

[Rachel]

He is very, like, reserved, so I can kind of see that. But I don't really know her that, like, I haven't hung out with her, so I don't really.

[Charity]

Yeah. That was the first time I met her. And it's funny because I was in paradise with Aaron and I still don't remember him. Like, I don't feel like he just is reserved.

[Rachel]

Like. No, it's. Yes. Yes. Okay, Well, I love that. Like, I.

[Podcast Advertiser]

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[Rachel]

I'm like, maybe we should have them on.

[Charity]

Yeah. Was it the DMS or like, how I always am so interested how these things happen?

[Rachel]

Let me tell you, it definitely was. Do you think, like, respectfully, like, any boy in this space has the capacity to be like, they're not doing anything in the wild.

[Charity]

No, they love the DM.

[Rachel]

It's the DMs for sure.

[Charity]

So that's where the real, like, is. That's what we should have a show on.

[Rachel]

I'm like, unleash everybody. No. Imagine a documentary, right?

[Charity]

Charity, please. I can't even talk on it.

[Rachel]

Please. I'm screaming no.

[Charity]

And we're so happy for that. Let's get them on. Please. Come on our podcast. Slide into our DMs.

[Rachel]

Yeah. Let us know when you want to come. We're here. We're available, guys. Okay. Love that for them. Cute qq. Okay, I did your turn. Oh.

[Charity]

Oh. I feel like it's the same thing. Change my mind. Like, probably Jordan. But even at the time, it's like, what was I gonna do? Like, that was.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Charity]

My season had so much happening every single day. That was, like, traumatizing that. I feel like I just had it like, one more day. One more day. So, like.

[Rachel]

Yeah, yeah, for you. I'm like, it was hard to. You had to stay afloat, which is a different. We all did. But, like, yours was a different level. Like, truly. Yeah.

[Charity]

Yeah.

[Rachel]

Oh, okay. Never did I ever struggle to stay fully present on a day, actually. I'm like, do you have, like. Am I allowed to answer this? Am I allowed to be as, like, trans.

[Charity]

Yeah.

[Rachel]

No. I don't know.

[Charity]

Answer it.

[Rachel]

Okay. So when it says fully present, it wasn't that I was, like, distracted. I just was having some. Let's just say health issues. Let me not even say that. That's actually crazy. I literally was so, like, not present in my mind of, like, having too much, like, champagne and, you know, fluids that I literally.

[Charity]

No.

[Rachel]

Could not finish a conversation. It was specifically with John B. I was like, dude, no, no, switch up.

[Charity]

Doesn't he not even drink?

[Rachel]

No, exactly. I was like. He was like, do you want any? He was being. Obviously.

[Charity]

Is John B. Still single? No.

[Rachel]

Yeah, no, he is. We'll get to that in just a second.

[Charity]

Okay.

[Rachel]

Right now, on the Barbie group date, I had a conversation with him, and in mid sentence, he was just going on. He was spilling his heart about something, and I was like, dude, I was about to throw up on his leg. I was like, okay, wait a minute. I was like, somebody has to, like, tap in. And I'm over here flashing, like, I'm in the background.

[Charity]

You're doing your signal. You're like.

[Rachel]

And he's like, no, literally. And he's like, do you need anything? And I was like, actually, yes. Can you go get a ginger ale? And he was like, ginger ale? He was like, interesting choice. I was like, yeah, no, I'm just. I need something fizzy right now. I literally had to play it off because I was like, what am I going to tell the boys? Yeah. I'm, like, belligerent from this group date, but it was, like, the most fun group day, obviously, of my season, but I could not have a conversation, truly. And, yeah. So that's my answer.

[Charity]

The way I feel like we, me, you, and Gabby are the same exact Bachelorette. Different bonds.

[Rachel]

No, different font.

[Charity]

I don't know how they picked three of us all consecutively in a row.

[Rachel]

They knew something about me. I have this weird thing, and I don't want to say weird, but this is also how, like, the girls on my season describe me. Like, Kat describes me this way. It's like, I'm, like, sweet, but I'm like a sour patch. It's like, people only see, like, the sweet thing up front, but then it's like, now this girl is a little. Little. Little crazy firecracker inside. So then obviously I'm like, that didn't come. That didn't come out until the cameras were truly in. In. In deep season.

[Charity]

And they're gonna see it now.

[Rachel]

Well, there you go.

[Charity]

I am literally dead. That was my favorite group date to watch. I.

[Rachel]

It was so much fun.

[Charity]

Vividly. Remember Dalton's wig?

[Rachel]

No. The fact that he's. No, this man keeps it. Like, he's still.

[Charity]

He wears it in the bedroom.

[Podcast Advertiser]

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[Rachel]

He is a little space nerd. So he, you know, he'll pull it out every now.

[Charity]

When he takes you to space.

[Rachel]

Truly. And that's a ride. I'll get on. Hello. We're done. We're literally done.

[Charity]

All right.

[Rachel]

This podcast is canceled, so good chatting with you guys. We'll see you guys next week.

[Charity]

So anyways. Okay. I'm trying to think. Did I ever have.

[Rachel]

I want to know the answer to this one. There's one I want to know for you.

[Charity]

Ask me. Yeah. Because I can't even. I don't remember. Okay.

[Rachel]

Never did I ever think, oh, no, I'm in trouble after a makeout.

[Charity]

I don't know. I don't know if I thought that. I will. That makes me.

[Rachel]

That makes me sad for you personally.

[Charity]

Like, you had. Or it was.

[Rachel]

No. Like, it's like, oh, my God. Like, I'm in trouble. As in, like, I gotta, like, keep my eyes on him. Like, he's gonna get me in. Like, I want everyone to experience that feeling. And you should.

[Charity]

I think the. What I will say is there was someone that I was, like, not sure about, and then I kissed him, and I was like, oh, yeah. Like, absolutely. And that was avenue. Not that I was unsure about Aven, but he's so quiet.

[Rachel]

It's okay. It's okay to be unsure.

[Charity]

Truly. Yeah. He was so, like, reserved, and I had, like, no idea how he was feeling. And then I remember there was, like, a moment, and it took so long for it to happen, and I was like, oh, yeah. Yes.

[Rachel]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Charity]

So I don't know. What about you? Was it done?

[Rachel]

Yeah, it was. Literally. And I'm telling you, it's like, there's a reason why they bring those hot tubs out for every single season. It was a hot tub. I. Let me tell you something, and I'm gonna keep it so 100 with everybody on this podcast right now, me being a African American Woman and having my hair exposed. It was raining when we were in the hot tub. I said, don't give me a hat. Don't pull me out of this hot tub. I said, let me stay here. It was truly given the Notebook. But, like, I don't know. A little bit of love and Basketball Edition. Like, let's combine the two. I was not getting out.

[Charity]

We need it in the corner.

[Rachel]

No. I was like, I'm not getting out of this. It was, like, the most sensational kiss of my life. And that's when I knew. I was like.

[Charity]

I was gonna say that. When you knew?

[Rachel]

I was like, Christ. I literally was like, can you. I literally asked. I said, can you spe night. I was about to do a Caitlin Bristow.

[Charity]

I was gonna say Caitlin Bristow. Hello.

[Rachel]

I was trying. Can I say no?

[Charity]

Did you ask?

[Rachel]

I asked because my room specifically, this was when we were in Skamania. My room had a little, like, no, bye, bye. We won't talk. I had a little, like, j bed in my room, and I was like, oh, it's so, like. It was just very, like. Granted, he probably wasn't gonna fit on it, but it was just so romantic and vibey. I was like, no. I was like, he needs to come. Like, can we just, like, take it back just for, like, a few more minutes? Like 30 more minutes. Let's just keep, like, kissing and. Yeah, obviously did have they said no?

[Charity]

I'm shocked.

[Rachel]

I am, too.

[Charity]

They will keep the mics on.

[Rachel]

No, that's. I said, listen, the cameras can come for all I care. I don't care.

[Charity]

Making a movie?

[Rachel]

Yeah. No, I was obsessed. I was like, no, he's amazing. So that was mine.

[Charity]

I need to go back and watch this. I'm going to be watching that later. But that's so crazy because I'm like.

[Rachel]

The hot tub scene was, like, literally not even 30 seconds. I was like, like, they needed to see more because we were making out for so long. Like, so long. Like, I. My hair. It was literally a puffball. The next morning, I was like, well, I don't know when I'm on straighten it, but I don't care. I care.

[Charity]

As a matter of fact, why don't we just end it here?

[Rachel]

Truly. So for me to sacrifice that, that's when you knew I was in love. My mic just fell.

[Charity]

Okay, next question. Oh, my God. Did you ever think that you were in trouble with the producers?

[Rachel]

Did I ever think I was in trouble? No, I don't think. No, I don't think so, not that I can think of. I'm like, oh, you making a face.

[Charity]

I'm like, no, that.

[Podcast Advertiser]

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[Charity]

I wish. I wish that's how I. I'm like.

[Rachel]

You'Re making a face. Did you.

[Podcast Advertiser]

I.

[Charity]

Well, yeah. I always. I will own this. I. I feel like my season, and especially me, what was I doing? Like, I feel like they were thinking that, too. Like, it was just so much chaos. Like, no one had any idea what was going on. No one had. Like. And this is no one's fault. Like, the two of us, it was just so hard.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Charity]

And I remember there was, like, this one part, and it was like, this isn't even, like, producers. But it was when I was about to go on a group date, and Logan came to my room and knocked on my door, and he was like, oh, just so you know, I'm going to go by. And I was like, oh, my God. I was like, there. I think they want me to quit. Like, I'm like, is this the part where I, like, I'm supposed to quit?

[Rachel]

Like, what was that? Was your green light to have full crash out? Like, that was it. That was it.

[Charity]

I was literally like, oh, my God, I did something wrong, and they're trying.

[Rachel]

To get me to leave.

[Charity]

I'm like, because this is such good tv.

[Rachel]

This is so sad.

[Charity]

And. And that was a moment. I literally was like, you're like, everything. I was like, oh, wait, I know. I was like, oh. And then it was just, like, such a. Oh, my God. That day was the hardest. Like, one of the hardest days.

[Rachel]

I actually think people don't give you enough of, like, credit and flower your flower. No, I'm giving you a boot camp. Sending one to your house. No, no, no, no. The fact that all of this stuff happened to you. I'm telling you, Rachel, if someone came to my door and was like, I'm not. I'd have been like, all right, green light. Bet. Don't worry about it. Like, I would have had every single valid crash out that could have happened in a span of three hours.

[Charity]

And it was insane because they did this to Gabby as well. We had the Sofi, like, after group date, like, after party, and the men were going up to Gabby, and they were like, I want to date Rachel because I don't like this, this, and this about you. Like, who?

[Podcast Advertiser]

Sorry.

[Rachel]

Listening out.

[Charity]

They were saying what they didn't like about us and why they wanted to date the other. And it was like, me and Gabby, like, we were genuinely like, what is happening here?

[Rachel]

No, they Want you guys to, like, turn on each other and turn, like. No, that's what they wanted. They didn't want to crash out. You're right.

[Charity]

And me and Gabby, every time we would interview, I'm like, I will leave before I say, like, I love her. She could do no wrong. I will believe. And it was just like, yeah, thank.

[Rachel]

God you guys had each other. Because I'm just imagining if there was any other pair of girl, please.

[Charity]

I. I can.

[Rachel]

Please.

[Charity]

I cannot imagine we'll never do that again. Just because. No, that was just, like, unmanageable.

[Rachel]

No, that's just. It's also. It's just, like, not fair to you guys. But anyway, that's neither here nor there.

[Charity]

Are gonna get the real behind the scenes of me. Gabby.

[Rachel]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna send you flowers because, you know, you deserve them. No, I am. This is, like, insane. I would my mind. I'm not kidding.

[Charity]

Oh, my God.

[Rachel]

And then.

[Charity]

Then Logan's like, we're standing at the rose, but he's just there.

[Rachel]

And I'm like, aloud, honestly, Logan, you can go home. No, actually. Actually, I'm sending you home. You're not dating Abby. You're going home.

[Charity]

Like, this is crazy. I'm like, oh, my God. Anyways, next question.

[Rachel]

Literally, let's get into the next one. Okay.

[Charity]

I'm trying to find a good one.

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[Rachel]

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[Charity]

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[Rachel]

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[Rachel]

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[Charity]

Oh, I like this one. Is there anything you regret watching back?

[Rachel]

Oh yeah. Oh my God. Honestly, yes. But like I had to remind myself and that was so like I that's the one thing I'm like, I can pat myself on the back for. It's like I was just so gracious with myself like throughout the entirety of like the experience and the journey. It's like obviously stepping into like the role itself. It's very daunting. You don't know what's going on. You don't have a blueprint. Even though it's like, yeah, like you ask every other other Bachelorette, like how did this work? Or what did you do? But like every single experience is so different and like I remember like taking all that in but like also knowing like I probably won't even realize this or like remember half this stuff in the moment and that was the case. So like for me, something that was really, really hard. I guess watching back was like towards the end like the Xavier situation with like the Fantasy Suite Dates I and I think also I'm like a little bit to blame is like I was definitely trying to, like, hear him out, and I think that was just, like, way too much. Like, I think I was, like, giving him an opportunity, but, like, one thing about me and, like, if you know me, you know I am someone that I have to have, like, as much as I can, which I know you don't always get, like, definite clarity. I need to, like. I need to hear from your mouth verbatim, what is it that you like? I'm not. I'm not trying to decode shit. Like, I can't do it. So it's like, in that moment, I'm over here trying to give him the opportunity to explain, like, really, like, express.

[Charity]

How he could explain that.

[Rachel]

Exactly. And I was like, okay. But then it got to the point where I'm like, oh, I see where this is going. But, like, now I have to, like, kind of, unfortunately for me, pull back, like, how much grace I'm giving you. And that was, like, really hard to watch. And it was definitely, like, hard to watch with, like, Dawn. I think he was like, oh, truly. Like, you just, like, you know, you're just a nice person. And I'm like, no, I am. And, like, I had a. Like. Like, I think I had just, like, sympathy in my heart. But also at the same time, I'm like, no, this is, like, crazy, because I've been asking you all these details all season, and, like, at no point did you think to be transparent and upfront. You saved it for right now. This is really, like, frustrating for me. But also, it's like, what in this moment is making you, like, want to say all these things? And, like, how do you feel right now? Like, you know, tonight is fantasy suites.

[Podcast Advertiser]

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[Rachel]

Tell me what I need to know.

[Charity]

I'm fit for the fantasy suite. I. I'm shocked he didn't say.

[Rachel]

That's.

[Podcast Advertiser]

That's.

[Rachel]

Honestly thinking back, I'm like, why didn't he do that? But, like, also, that would have been. That would have probably been way worse because I would have been like, open up the doors. Where are the camp? Like, I would have been calling for.

[Charity]

You'Re better than me crew would have.

[Rachel]

Been there in a heartbeat because I would have been like, turn the cameras.

[Charity]

Walkie talkie.

[Dr. Jake Goodman]

Yeah.

[Rachel]

I'm like, Tim 4. Copy that. Yep. No, I'm. I'm glad it played out, but also, like, it was a little hard for me because I was like, no, I'm being too, like, like, sympathetic with him. Am I giving him too much? And, like, I don't think he really in that moment, I think he had said already really what he wanted to say. And, like, for me, it was, like, just trying to, like, I think probably even get a different answer or just make sure, like, that's what he really meant. I think it's also that because I was, like, just. I was so. I was so shook, I just couldn't believe it. So that's probably why I was like, wait, let me make sure I'm hearing this correctly. That was the hard part.

[Charity]

The rug was getting pulled out from under. You had already met his family. Like, by the time you're in that going into fantasy suite, it's like, engagement is the next day.

[Rachel]

Thank you. And, like, for me, it's. Understand doubts. I definitely had doubts like, that. There's no news to that. But I was like, okay, like, I'm ready to see if, like, this week he can really just, like, you know, we're at crunch time. This is the time where you're even. You're either gonna show, like, you want this or you don't. And, like, obviously, the opportunity presented for him to say, no, I don't want this. And I'm like, great. Me. They're bad.

[Charity]

Like, actually, it was done weeks ago in that hot tub.

[Podcast Advertiser]

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[Rachel]

Little do y' all know, y' all see it back in seven weeks.

[Charity]

So.

[Rachel]

Yeah, that was hard.

[Charity]

That was really, really, really hard.

[Rachel]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Charity]

I love what you said in the beginning, though, about you can talk to as many bachelorettes as you want, but you can never get the answers. And it's so true. And I think people, like, they love to turn on a lead or a bachelorette. And it's like, we are doing this for the first time with zero guidance.

[Podcast Advertiser]

Zero.

[Charity]

Truly. You're. You're just winging it.

[Rachel]

Literally.

[Charity]

It is so much harder.

[Rachel]

It's hard. And I'm like, honestly, it's.

[Dr. Jake Goodman]

It.

[Rachel]

I just. Anyone who has, like, thoughts of, like, yeah, like, I could do this or I would have, like, obviously, that's everything is hindsight. Like, you're watching it back in that moment. You don't have a clue on what the hell is truly going on. So, like, you were using your best judgment with what you have, which is not a whole lot.

[Charity]

So literally, and with a zero brain cell that I had.

[Rachel]

No, actually, I'm like, battery.

[Charity]

I wasn't sober.

[Rachel]

It's on 2% low power. 2% low power. Always. No, actual.

[Charity]

Oh, my God. Okay, well, t. This is.

[Rachel]

No, we did good. I feel like that was a really good.

[Charity]

That was like a therapy Session. Like, it was never said a lot of this out loud, which is so crazy. You, like, get bottled up for so long.

[Rachel]

So I love that. I love that. For us.

[Charity]

For us, episode two, and we're already. Our deepest dark.

[Rachel]

Already deep diving. Here we go.

[Charity]

Literally next episode, I say everything that happened to my family, it's like, that's the point we're at. So clearly, Charity and I are just an open book. So we thought it would be fun if every week we do some fan questions. We're going to throw up a question box. You guys can DM us as you know, the DMs are where everything happens. And we're gonna answer, I think, just one each today. So I'll start to. Charity.

[Rachel]

Yes.

[Charity]

Dalton has shared with us that you are an amazing singer. And I want to know, would you ever want to take your singing to a professional level? Because I could see you on Broadway.

[Rachel]

Honestly, that quite literally is the only, like, thing I would possibly do. I actually have been entertaining the idea. I'm like, Even if just start off, I'm like. And obviously shooting for the stars is like, Roxy, I'm not trying to do that, but like. Like an ensemble. Like, I. Just a little jazz number in the background. Like, I. You know, I just want to try it out and see if I like it. Like, I did theater a little bit in the high school kid. No, no, no. Like, my brother was. My brother was literally that. Like, his Instagram handle is the singing Dennis. He literally is the theater kid. So the fact that, like, I want to try it now says a whole lot. But, like, I actually would do, like, something like, Broadway.

[Charity]

You live in New York.

[Rachel]

I know. That's what I'm saying.

[Charity]

Calls. Why not?

[Rachel]

Should I? Okay, maybe that's on. Maybe that's everyone.

[Charity]

DM Charity and tell her that she should definitely go to open calls. And by the way, I want to say back to the Roxie Hart thing. Lisa Rinna did Roxie Hart.

[Rachel]

Okay.

[Charity]

Yes. You absolutely could do so.

[Rachel]

Honestly.

[Charity]

Yes, yes. And I will be pushing for that after. After Whitney Levitt's residency, we're getting a chance.

[Rachel]

You know what I really need to manifest is, like, whenever or if they ever bring Color Purple back, I need, like, I need to be like, the. I need Cynthia to be my mentor because she played Celie on Broadway. And if I'm like that, that's my dream come true. I'm like, train me to be the best next Celie. But I'm like, I.

[Podcast Advertiser]

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[Rachel]

I actually would need to go to, like, voice lessons and everything to be on Cynthia's level. Hello. But. But it's there. We have a good foundation.

[Charity]

So I think you should. I think you should pursue it. Why not?

[Rachel]

Okay.

[Charity]

And I think we should get Cynthia on the pod. Cynthia. Remo.

[Rachel]

We absolutely should. And let's just go ahead and say we need Ariana as well.

[Charity]

At this point.

[Rachel]

Two for one, Two for one. Okay. I am going to ask you a question, which I actually love this one. Okay. Do you think that your time on the Bachelor helped you on Perfect Match? Might think good about this one.

[Charity]

Okay. So I will say in the beginning, obviously not. I completely crashed out on my very first day there. Like, no one had met me, and I was crashing.

[Rachel]

You get one pass.

[Charity]

That was difficult, I think, just because from my time on the Bachelor with Clayton being on Perfect Match and having a camera in my face and him next to me, it just felt like I was back on the Bachelor. So I will say that. But going forward, I think it was a lot easier for me to keep my options open and really get to know people and be around. And I was the only one who switched up.

[Rachel]

Come on, now.

[Charity]

I think I just. We know that it's possible to have more than one connection, and I think a lot of people who haven't done the Bachelor, they're very, like, tunnel vision on. Like, this is the only connection for me. They don't give anyone a chance. And I think I was like, you guys. Like, you can, like, multiple people. You can switch up. And yeah, I feel like I was the only one who dated everyone, and I did date everyone, but, yeah.

[Rachel]

Yeah, that's a really good answer.

[Charity]

I think.

[Rachel]

I think that's a good answer. Yeah, I love that for you. Our queen saying, I'm gonna try them all out.

[Charity]

Yeah, I did it. Every single one.

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[Rachel]

Did you know who I really wanted you to end up with?

[Charity]

Who?

[Rachel]

It's the guy from Love is Blind. Freddie. Yeah. I mean, truly, I think.

[Charity]

I mean, me and Freddie are still really good friends. It was just hard because weren't there on day one, like, those couples paired up and, like, they were not separating. Besides the Bachelor, people, like Clayton switched up and I switched up, and that was it. So, yeah, it would have been interesting to see what would happen if I was there day one. But we'll literally never know.

[Rachel]

We'll never know. We may. Who knows? Okay. Well, you guys, I mean, I think that is going to do it for today. I would like to say this is, like a really good episode. I feel like we had a lot of fun. Like, we talked about a lot.

[Charity]

I feel like we spilled actually so much tea. Like, tea I've never shared before. It's just so easy with you, Charity. Like, I know. It feels like it's just us talking.

[Rachel]

Exactly.

[Charity]

What's gonna hear it, though? So super excited for that. On Thursday, we're gonna have our very first guest, Ms. Kelsey Anderson. I cannot wait. I can't wait to ask her all the juicy details. We're gonna get all the info on her bbl. Going to tell you guys everything, so make sure you tune in. We are so excited. And we'll see you guys next week or we'll see you guys on Thursday.

[Rachel]

Yeah. Bye. Bye.

[Charity]

We're so bad at this outro. This is an I heart podcast.

[Rachel]

Guaranteed human.