Carol Freeman: Reinventing Yourself and Finding Love | Golden Hour

Summary

Bachelor Happy Hour Podcast

Episode: Carol Freeman: Reinventing Yourself and Finding Love | Golden Hour

Date: May 22, 2026
Hosts: Charity Lawson & Rachel Recchia (featuring Susan, Kathy, and special guest Carol Freeman)

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Overview

This episode of Bachelor Happy Hour features Carol Freeman, who joins Susan and Kathy (rotating hosts for the “Golden Hour” segment) to discuss timely and perennial questions about dating, relationships, reinvention, and personal boundaries, especially from a mature perspective. Injected with wit, honesty, and plenty of real-life anecdotes, the conversation veers from tackling listener dilemmas to swapping parenting stories and even playing a tongue-in-cheek dating game. The episode centers on reinventing yourself at any age, what genuine effort in relationships looks like, and embracing new romantic adventures — all with a signature blend of humor and candor.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Relationship Effort and Balance

• Listener Question: "I'm always the one driving an hour and a half for my new relationship. He says work is too busy. If he wanted to, would he?"
  • Carol’s Take (04:04):
    “I'm old fashioned, guys. I think a man, if he loves you, he'll move mountains...if it's consistently where she has to go that way — no.”
  • Hosts' Consensus:
    Effort should be mutual; if your partner isn’t showing up, communicate honestly and don’t accept one-sided compromises.
  • Memorable Riff:
    “Busy with work? What is he — the President of the United States?” – Carol (04:34)

2. The “Golden Hour” Dating Mindset

• On Dating Someone Who Hasn't Had a Serious Relationship by their Mid-30s
  • Carol (07:25):
    “I think that's a bonus...some people don’t want to have three marriages and then marry the wrong person.”
  • Susan (08:49):
    “He says he’s just never found the right person, but he’s seeing you, so maybe you’re the right person. Shut the f up. Enjoy the ride!”
  • Consensus:
    Later-in-life relationships or first-time serious romances aren’t red flags — in fact, they may indicate emotional readiness.

3. How Someone Talks About Their Exes

• Listener Dilemma: "A guy I dated made harsh comments about his ex. Is that a red flag?"
  • Carol (09:47):
    “Yes, I think it’s a big deal. Big deal. That’s a red flag.”
  • Susan (09:53):
    “Especially...only a few dates, and you’re bashing the ex. You’re the ass.”
  • Hosts’ Suggestion:
    Don't ignore clues about negativity or unresolved baggage; how someone treats (or talks about) their exes reflects their values.

4. Parenting and Raising Confident Daughters

• Carol’s Journey (11:13):
  Raised three Division 1 college tennis athletes as daughters; credits sports with teaching independence, teamwork, and confidence.
  • “That’s why I put them in sports...they didn’t date a lot in high school, even.” (10:46)
• Kathy (12:39):
  “All three of my kids played piano because I always wanted to play...you know, they all had full scholarships.”

5. Funny Family Anecdotes & Personal Boundaries

• Carol’s Dodger Stadium Story (19:47):
  • Lighthearted retelling of bending parking lot rules at the stadium, complete with misadventures involving Freddie Freeman and a helpful motorcycle cop.
  • Punchline: “I got in really big trouble. So now I do. I go all the way around...even though I could walk it!” (21:29)
• Perspective:
  Don’t be afraid to laugh at your own foibles — and learn from them.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On dating double standards:
  “Men don’t have to work as hard these days. And the Internet did not help.” – Carol (06:44)
• Advice for direct communication:
  "Sit them down and tell them exactly how you feel. If you want me like I want you, then you should be willing to do half of the doing." – Susan (06:18)
• On reinventing yourself after 60:
  “Home run.” – Carol (34:53)
  “That’s what I’m trying to do, right?” – Carol (34:56)
  “Would you ever think you’d be hosting a podcast in your 60s?” – Carol (35:00)
• On sliding into someone’s DMs after wine:
  “I’ve done that.” – Carol (36:01)
  “I think wine gives you courage. Just a couple glasses…” – Susan (36:03)
• On accidentally texting the wrong person post-date:
  “I texted Chelsea for his wife, and I said, ‘He’s not that great a kisser.’ And I sent it to him!” – Carol (37:20)
• On dating apps and “younger men” matches:
  “Do I even have to answer that one?” – Carol (38:45)

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Game Segment: "Home Run or Strikeout" (22:02–45:00)

A playful, rapid-fire dating game where Carol declares various scenarios a “home run” or a “strikeout.” Highlights include:

• He only texts good morning, never makes plans?
  • "Strike out." – Carol (22:25)
• Brings grocery store flowers on a first date?
  • “It’s nice…clueless, but I wouldn’t strike him out.” – Carol (23:08)
• Posts thirst traps on social media?
  • “For me, it’s a strikeout. That grosses me out.” – Carol (24:52)
• Won’t define the relationship after three months?
  • “Doesn’t bother me…not a home run.” – Carol (25:29)
• Adult child wants to move home indefinitely?
  • “Indefinitely, no. It’s a strikeout.” – Carol (26:56)
• Cancels last minute for the third time?
  • “That’s not respectful...I say strike out.” – Carol (27:49)

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On Reinvention & Taking Chances (34:45+)

• Completely reinventing your career at 60+:
  “Home run...never too late. You can do it.” – (35:25–35:39)

• Moving for love:
  “Yeah. It depends where he lives. But I’m not moving to Indiana.” – Carol (46:00)

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Additional Highlights

• Parenting as a Single Woman:
  Carol and Kathy swap stories about raising strong, independent kids with an intentional focus on sports or music for confidence and life skills.
• Dating App Reflections:
  Shared laughs about only matching with younger men and being okay with broader age ranges.
• Personal Boundaries and Comfort:
  Kathy shares a story about refusing to host a barely-known potential suitor in her home, driving home the importance of personal safety and comfort.

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Closing Sentiment

Carol’s candid, encouraging tone embodies the spirit of reinvention and self-worth at any age — whether it’s taking on new romantic risks, setting healthy boundaries, or simply sharing a laugh over past dating blunders.

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:15 – Listener questions begin
• 04:04 – Relationship effort discussion
• 06:44 – Modern dating double standards
• 09:47 – How someone talks about their exes
• 11:13 – Parenting and raising athletes
• 19:47 – Carol's Dodger Stadium story
• 22:02 – "Home Run or Strikeout" game starts
• 34:45 – Career reinvention after 60
• 38:45 – On dating younger men via apps
• 46:00 – Would you move for love?

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Final Thoughts

Hosts to Listeners:
"Submit your burning questions at bachelornation.com — we love your stories and comments!"

Carol to Listeners:
“It’s never too late. You can do it. No regrets.” (35:25)

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For listeners:

This episode is a must for women and men navigating love, life changes, and dating at any age. The candid advice, personal stories, and supportive camaraderie offer both laughter and wisdom in equal measure.

Transcript

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[Susan]

Hey, everyone. We're back with part two with Carol. Let's get into it.

[Kathy]

Okay, here's the next one. This one is from Chelsea in Atlanta. Maybe it's Freddie's wife.

[Carol]

Interesting.

[Kathy]

Could it be okay here? But we hope not, given the question. Okay. I met someone says Chelsea through mutual friends and we hit it off immediately. The only issue is he lives about an hour and a half away. We've been making it work, but I've noticed I'm always the one willing to drive or adjust my schedule. He says he's busy with work, but part of me feels like if he really wanted to, he would. How do you navigate effort in a situation like this? Go ahead, Carol.

[Carol]

Well, I'm old fashioned, guys. I think a man, if he loves you, he'll move mountains. I think if a guy really, he'll make it happen. I. I do. And of course you have to. Sometimes they can't. Right? You have to go. There's. There's situations for sure. But if it's consistently where she has to go that way. No.

[Kathy]

Yeah. And where he's saying he's busy with work, you know, he's not busy with Chelsea. You.

[Carol]

Exactly. Busy with work. What is he. What? Come on. Is he the President of the United States?

[Susan]

No, it's always me. Okay, so maybe she does have more time on her hands and her hours are more flexible. As long as he makes like. Makes a plan that on certain days or certain weekends, he'll come to her.

[Kathy]

He's never come to her.

[Susan]

He'll still work.

[Kathy]

He's never come to her. She makes all the effort ever. She said we've been making it work, but I noticed I'm always the one willing to drive or adjust my schedule. That is not. You know, we talk about Carol red being compromised and blue being sacrifice and purple is compromise. She is blue sacrificing goodbye.

[Susan]

Right.

[Carol]

Yeah.

[Susan]

So you tell her to do. What's your suggestion?

[Kathy]

I'll tell you what I would tell her. The curb is going to Be very fill with men who are being kicked to it.

[Susan]

And. And what is your advice to her besides kicking them to the curb?

[Kathy]

I would say, what, Carol, what would you tell her to do? I mean, I got my own thoughts. What would you say, Carol?

[Carol]

I would say, next time, say, you have to come to me. And then see what he says. I would say just, okay, I'm going to give you. I like you, but it seems like you're not making. You know, I'm doing.

[Kathy]

I'm doing all the work. Communicate and say. Exactly.

[Susan]

That's the word I was looking for.

[Kathy]

But Chelsea. No, no, no. Because what Chelsea needs to do is tell him what she's telling us. Chelsea, you need to tell your guy that you're making all that. And I'm guessing you're not, you're just resenting him.

[Susan]

Yes. Which is a bad thing, because once that happens, bye. Bye.

[Carol]

Yeah.

[Susan]

So sit them. Sit them down and tell them exactly how you feel. And just say, it's just not working for me. I feel like I'm the one doing all the doing, and if you want me like I want you, then you should be willing to do half of the doing.

[Kathy]

Okay. Carol, do you think he wants her or not?

[Carol]

No. I'm sorry. No, I'm with you. I'm kind of harsh.

[Susan]

Men are spoiled, and it's our fault. Yeah, because we spoiled them for so long.

[Kathy]

No, it's their Mother's Day.

[Carol]

They don't have to work. They don't. Men don't have to work as hard these days. And the Internet did not help.

[Susan]

No, it did not. I agree wholeheartedly. All right, this one's from McKenna and she's from Denver. I've been seeing someone who is really sweet and consistent, but I recently found out he's never been in a serious relationship before and he's in his mid-30s. He says he just never found the right person. But it makes me nervous that he might not know how to be in a relationship. Is that something to be concerned about? Whoa, McKenna, you're overthinking it. He took his time, I think. Let him be. Let him. Oh, my God.

[Kathy]

What do you think?

[Carol]

I agree with Susan. I. I think that's a. I think that's a bonus.

[Kathy]

Guys, we have a home run here. Because I agree with both of you.

[Susan]

Oh, my gosh.

[Kathy]

All three of it. What would you say, Carol, though, if he were 39 or 40, would you have a different idea?

[Carol]

You know what? It depends what did. Maybe he was just so career focused, and if you don't find the right person. I don't think there's an age. I think there's an age limit. I think you look at people like, oh, they've. Like if they've never been married or this. I don't find that that way. You know, some people don't want to have three marriages and then married the wrong person. Yeah, that's how they are. I, like, I don't mind that.

[Susan]

And people, they say that was a red flag. We've talked about this before, Kathy. Like, people that have never had children and want to get into a relationship and you have children, it's difficult because they don't know how to share themselves. They don't know how to give of themselves. And they get upset with you because, you know, you. That's your duty. You're a mother, you know.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Susan]

I mean, you do draw the line, but same thing.

[Kathy]

I think someone in their mid-30s, he's still young. I think people are getting married later, dating later. I don't see anything wrong with a guy in his mid-30s. And I would say to McKenna, if he is sweet and really sweet. You said, and consistent. Enjoy the ride.

[Susan]

Yeah, mid-30s. He says he's just never found the right person, but he's seeing you, so maybe you're the right person. Shut the f up. Enjoy the ride.

[Kathy]

All right, I agree. We want to know. Inquiring minds want to know. So let us know how this goes. And by the way, if you decide to get married, Susan is a wedding officiant.

[Susan]

Yes, I. I will do that for you.

[Kathy]

You're welcome, Susan. You're welcome.

[Susan]

Thank you, Kathy.

[Kathy]

All right, our last question is from Stephanie, who is from Hollywood. I went on a few dates, says Stephanie, with a guy who was super charming and fun. But I noticed that he made a few comments about his ex that felt kind of harsh and bitter. He said she wasted his time and wasn't on his level. It made me pause a bit. But I don't know if I'm reading too much into it. Is how someone talks about their ex a big deal? What do you think, Carol?

[Carol]

Yes, I think it's a big deal. Big deal. That's a red flag.

[Susan]

Especially because she's saying, I went on a few dates, only a few dates, and you're bashing the ex. You're the ass. Okay. Somebody needs to tell them, though. That's the problem. People will walk the other way, but somebody needs to tell him. You don't do this, Kathy. Didn't I tell you before? We need to open a business and tell men how to write, how to make a profile, how to treat a woman on the first date, what not to talk about.

[Kathy]

Carol, you want to go in on a business with us, you can do it.

[Carol]

I'm all in. Yeah, we can do a whole baseball theme. Right? There we go.

[Susan]

Right?

[Carol]

Yeah.

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[Kathy]

What? Hey, buddy, you want to get to first base with this girl? Here's what exactly. And you're not doing that base if you don't get to first base.

[Carol]

Yeah, you're striking out, speaking like that, so don't be stupid.

[Susan]

What did you tell your girls when they were growing up and starting to date?

[Carol]

Oh, my gosh.

[Susan]

That was your advice? Yeah.

[Carol]

Well, you know what? I did. That's why I put them in sports. Because we're too busy. Because tennis, you're on the court for hours and hours and hours. So they didn't date. They didn't date a lot in high school, even.

[Kathy]

So, I will say my daughter played soccer in all the way through school and then played in college and now works in professional soccer. And you're absolutely right, Carol. Sports teaches. It's not only. It not only keeps them out of trouble, it teaches them independence and. And. And being and feeling confident, all those things. I think sports are great for girls and teamwork, too.

[Susan]

Being part of a team is very important. Very.

[Kathy]

We had baseball, and there's no I in team.

[Susan]

And, you know, they still managed to date my kids.

[Carol]

Yes, they did. Yeah. And thank goodness my youngest daughter met her now husband at 19, so that was easy. And I liked him a lot. He's blessed. Yes. My other two, they're still, you know, they've. They've dated guys that I don't like.

[Kathy]

Wait, how many kids do you have, Carol? How many children?

[Carol]

I have three girls.

[Kathy]

What are their ages?

[Carol]

28, 25.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Carol]

28 and 30. 30. Yeah.

[Kathy]

And they're all married or not?

[Carol]

No, only one married.

[Kathy]

The youngest one.

[Carol]

No, the oldest.

[Kathy]

Oh, okay.

[Carol]

The oldest is married. Yeah.

[Susan]

No children. The oldest is the tennis pro, right?

[Carol]

No, the youngest is a tennis pro, but they all play tennis. And D1. They're all D1. I raised three D1 athletes. You guys?

[Kathy]

Yeah. Wow. Good on you. Were you an athlete, Carol?

[Carol]

I was a wannabe athlete. A wannabe? Yeah. I mean, I played tennis, but not at their level. You know how they say, don't live through your children? I did.

[Kathy]

So did I. But you know what I did?

[Carol]

I wanted to be Tracy Austin.

[Kathy]

Okay.

[Carol]

I wanted to be professional.

[Kathy]

I made all three of my kids play piano because I always wanted to play piano and my mother wouldn't let me take lessons. Can I tell you, two of my three kids had full ride offers at UT and for the music department. I mean, I was like you. Like, I wanted piano. So now you're playing. Yeah.

[Carol]

You know, they all had. They all had full scholarship, so. Full scholarship. It was fantastic. Yeah.

[Susan]

And what. What made you pick tennis or did they like.

[Carol]

Because I love tennis.

[Kathy]

Because she was a wannabe tennis player.

[Susan]

So that's what you introduced them to, not golf or. Or baseball?

[Carol]

Well, because I knew. I knew a little bit about tennis myself, so I thought, I want tennis. And you know what else swayed me? Because I thought, where do I want to be watching their sport? On a really thought about that. I want to be watching at a country club where there's nice bathrooms.

[Kathy]

And what she didn't do, I can tell you, was ice hockey. She wasn't going to freeze in a rink, I can tell you that.

[Susan]

Well, Carol, I have good news for you. My boys were very talented. It comes from their father, of course. He was a major league baseball player, and they took a walk on the wild side and ruined that career for them. But they were being scouted, the whole bit. But I have one of my grandsons with that natural born talent, so Freddie will be retired by then. He's only turning 15. We can still get to go to the baseball games in the World Series when he's playing.

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[Susan]

He just got a full scholarship for high school. For a private Catholic high school.

[Kathy]

Oh, congrats to him.

[Susan]

Yes.

[Kathy]

Wow.

[Susan]

Yeah. Mason.

[Kathy]

All right. Well, that is. That is. Okay. Well, if you liked these questions, we want to encourage all of our listeners to submit their burning question to us by going to bachelornation.com come back each week and see if we answer yours. We love the comments. We love the questions. You know, tell us if you agree with us or not. We want to hear it all.

[Susan]

And you know what else? You can be anonymous. Some people are embarrassed to give their names and the kind of question they're asking. Don't even just say anonymous. We don't care. We'll give you our opinion. Right?

[Kathy]

And Carol, you did a great job, so we love having you. For this question.

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[Carol]

I have to tell you another story if we have time.

[Susan]

No, we have plenty of time because we're about to play a game, so.

[Kathy]

We're about to play a game.

[Susan]

Okay.

[Kathy]

Yeah, we're about to move to second base here.

[Carol]

Okay, let's go to second. Let's go to second.

[Kathy]

Go ahead, tell us your story.

[Susan]

Okay, do tell.

[Carol]

So, okay, this is kind of funny Story. So when we first came to the Dodger Stadium, you drive in, okay? And the players lot is here, but you can't make a right. So you have to drive all the way around the stadium to get into the player's lot, Right?

[Susan]

Annoying.

[Carol]

I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that. So those cars are coming this way. So I would just drive and, like, make my way through there, and people would be, like, flipping me off and stop and go. I'm like, no. Why would I go all the way to the stadium when it's just literally right there, 200ft, right? So I did this the first two weeks he was there. You think I'd want to my. My P's and Q's because he was a new player there, right? No, I'm not doing that. So I go in. I. You know, I. So I didn't get caught. All a sudden, Freddy comes home and goes, aunt Carol. I'm like, what? He goes, the. The owners came to me and said, you can't be going that way. He. You can't do that. He goes, kershaw doesn't do that. I said, well, maybe he should. So then. So then this is what I did next time, because I thought, I better not go to the curvy. So I see this motorcycle cop, and I'm like. I rolled down the window and I said, hey, do you want to get some trouble today? He goes, sure. I'm like, okay. I said, can you. I said, I'm so late for the game. I was late, of course. I said, I'm so late, and I'm Freddie Freeman's aunt. Could you just kind of lead me into that lot right there instead of me going all the way around? So he did. So he put on the lights and everything.

[Kathy]

Oh, no.

[Carol]

Then I got in really big trouble. I was going to say.

[Kathy]

I was going to say, carol, what part of that did you. What part of that lesson did you not learn?

[Carol]

So then I got in really big trouble. So now I do. I go all the way around. Even though I'm see it, I could walk it. I had to go all the way around the stamp. So that was. That was one of this. That was. That was the first.

[Susan]

When you take the Uber, get dropped off there and just walk through the gates.

[Carol]

I know I should do that.

[Kathy]

So to all of us, I like

[Carol]

how my own car.

[Kathy]

To all our listeners, Carol breaks rules, gives really good advice, and now we're going to see how good you are at playing games. Are you ready?

[Carol]

Okay, let's do it.

[Susan]

Okay, this one's called Home Run or Strikeout.

[Carol]

Ooh, I like it.

[Susan]

We're gonna play a game where we could give Carol a scenario, and she's gonna tell us whether it's a home run or a strikeout. Are you ready?

[Kathy]

This is good. All right. Ready?

[Susan]

All right.

[Kathy]

Okay.

[Susan]

He texts you good morning every day, but never makes actual plans.

[Carol]

Strike out. Strike out.

[Kathy]

Amen. Amen. That's. That is a swing and a miss three times.

[Carol]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

All right, how about this one, Carol? Are you impressed? I know my baseball lingo. Here. Pardon? Are you impressed? I know my baseball lingo.

[Carol]

You know what, Kathy? I am. I like it. I could talk baseball all day.

[Kathy]

We could.

[Carol]

All right.

[Susan]

It could be a fail. That could have been a fail.

[Carol]

I'm gonna really be able to see you guys. Okay, here we go.

[Susan]

All right.

[Kathy]

Brings grocery store flowers on a first date.

[Susan]

I would say it's not. Not a home run, but that's nice.

[Carol]

It's nice, but it's like, oh, that's all right. It was clueless, but I wouldn't strike him out. I. I gave him a chance.

[Susan]

Give it. He got a foul or he only made first base.

[Carol]

Yeah.

[Susan]

A single.

[Carol]

He got hit by a pitch.

[Kathy]

Wait a minute, guys.

[Susan]

It's not a double player.

[Kathy]

I think I've gotten some nice flowers from men I've dated that they got beautiful. They. They step. They bought the expensive arrangements at the grocery store.

[Susan]

Instead of $10, they spent 19. I appreciate flowers. I don't care where you get them.

[Kathy]

Okay? I like flowers.

[Susan]

I think that's good.

[Kathy]

Listen, I'm just trying to get a date. If I get flowers on the date, I'm good. All right.

[Carol]

You need to come to la.

[Kathy]

You know what? Find me a job. I'm there.

[Susan]

La?

[Kathy]

Really? No. Wait a second. The next one. Susan is posting thirst traps. And Susan doesn't know what that is?

[Susan]

No, I. I went right over it

[Kathy]

because I use it

[Susan]

on national.

[Jacob Goldstein]

What's that?

[Carol]

I didn't hear that.

[Susan]

This is her girlfriend. Okay. Okay.

[Kathy]

This is post thirst traps. Do you know what those are?

[Susan]

I. I don't.

[Carol]

I'm not sure.

[Kathy]

It's when you're. I believe. I'm not 100% sure. I think it's when you post, like, sexy pictures that other people will look at. Yeah. It's like, makes you thirsty.

[Carol]

A man doing it. A man doing it to you. A man doing it to you?

[Kathy]

Yes. What do you mean?

[Carol]

How old is this guy?

[Kathy]

Oh, geez, Carol.

[Susan]

Are they good?

[Carol]

Is it Brad Pitt.

[Kathy]

Okay, back to the basics. Is it a strikeout for me? Is it a home?

[Susan]

I gotta Google thirst traps

[Carol]

for. For me, it's a strikeout. That grosses me out. I, I don't even like to see the gym pictures. Like, the guy in the gym, like, posting his body. I'm like, ew, no.

[Susan]

Oh, posting for me personally.

[Carol]

I'm sure some women like it, but that's it for me for sure.

[Susan]

Okay, Yeah, I don't want to see strike out.

[Kathy]

That's the first trap. I don't like him Strike out.

[Carol]

No, that's not okay.

[Susan]

You've been dating three months and he still won't define the relationship. Why does there have to be a title?

[Carol]

I, I, I, I'm not, I'm okay with that. Three months. I'm okay. That doesn't bother me.

[Susan]

I wouldn't call it a home run.

[Carol]

No, not a home run.

[Susan]

Maybe he got the second.

[Carol]

Second.

[Susan]

Yeah, I think. What do you think, Kathy?

[Kathy]

Well, I'm more concerned because, you know, I'm the grammarian who reads every word in these things. He still won't define the relationship. Relationship suggests to me that this woman is pushing him to define the relationship. So I think she is striking out.

[Carol]

I agree. I agree.

[Susan]

Why does it always have to have a title?

[Kathy]

I'm saying she's pushing him to put a name on the relationship. And I think that's a mistake at three months. I think at six months it can be a mistake. I think the factor that she's pushing him makes her strike out. I'm not worried about him. All right, let's move on to the next one. Your adult child asks to move back home indefinitely. What do you think, Carol? Home run or strikeout?

[Carol]

Your own child.

[Kathy]

Your own child. Your adult child asks you to move back home, but it's an indefinite. It's not like, hey, mom, can I stay a week? It's, mom, can I move back indefinitely? What do you think, Carol?

[Carol]

If that happened, I would have failed. No, it's a strikeout indefinitely. No, no, no. I, I love my children. I love my children. But indefinitely,

[Susan]

no strike out. We all agree?

[Kathy]

Yep.

[Carol]

Yeah.

[Susan]

God forbid.

[Kathy]

Oh, I want to see this one, Carol. Go ahead, Susan.

[Susan]

A friend cancels last minute for the third time in a row.

[Carol]

A friend or a dating guy?

[Susan]

No, just says a friend.

[Carol]

A friend.

[Susan]

It could be a girlfriend. I have friends that do it all the time.

[Carol]

Three times. I don't know.

[Susan]

A friend cancels last minute. That's the part.

[Carol]

Oh, last minute.

[Susan]

To hear.

[Carol]

Yes, I, I Don't like that. That's not very respectful of the other person.

[Kathy]

Yeah, exactly.

[Susan]

I say strike out. Not that I don't want to be your friend, but I'm not going to ask you anymore.

[Kathy]

No, I have to tell you. Can I just jump in here with a little story? I have a friend who lives in Austin who invited me for dinner. And I was coming. I was recuperating from pneumonia, which I'm fine now, but this was, you know, three or four weeks ago, and I was recuperating, and she asked me if I wanted to go to dinner. And she's pretty bougie. And I said, you know, I'd be happy to go, but it's got to be early and it's got to be simple because I can't do the makeup and the clothes. And she was flying back into town and she said, I'll I get in at like, quarter four. I said, great, we'll go for an early dinner. Never heard from her. So I thought she'd gotten way late at the airport, missed her flight, whatever. And the next day she called, and we were talking, and she said that some friends had called her when she landed and she went to dinner with them. So I called her out. I said, you bested me. And it was even worse because the restaurant was five minutes from my house. So she didn't even say. And I know one of the women she was with. It's her friend, but I know her as well. And I gotta tell you, it did not sit well with me.

[Susan]

No, that's rude.

[Kathy]

You don't do that to friends.

[Carol]

No, it hurt me.

[Kathy]

So never mind. Three times you best me, you might not get another chance. I'm pretty harsh about that stuff.

[Susan]

That's just rude.

[Kathy]

It's rude. And, you know, she could have called

[Susan]

and said, hey, come join us.

[Kathy]

And what's worse is I was ready to go. I put on a little bit of makeup. I'd gotten dressed.

[Susan]

Did you try to reach out to her?

[Kathy]

No, because she said, I will call you as soon as I land, and we'll pick a casual place. So when she didn't call, I just stupidly assumed she hadn't landed and was stuck in an airport, because that happens a lot these days. Anyway, just thought I would throw that in that.

[Susan]

To me, that was definitely a strikeout.

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[Susan]

Okay, you decide to completely reinvent your career at 3:62.

[Kathy]

Home run.

[Susan]

Home run.

[Carol]

Love, Love. That's what I'm trying to do.

[Kathy]

Yes.

[Carol]

That's what I'm trying to do. Right?

[Susan]

Yeah. We love. Look at us.

[Carol]

Look at us. Ladies, Would you ever think that you'd be hosting a podcast in your 60s?

[Susan]

No, not at all.

[Carol]

Years ago. Is this so fantastic?

[Susan]

It's Fantastic. Because people get to hear us, too, and our damn opinions.

[Carol]

Well, well. And you know. And you're good at it. You're good at it. So that's even better.

[Kathy]

I love it.

[Carol]

I enjoy your show. I really do. Just to let you know. Little side.

[Susan]

Thank you.

[Kathy]

I think. I think this is a, you know, a PSA for all people out there, men and women over the age of 60. It's never too late. You can do it.

[Carol]

Never too late.

[Kathy]

You know what? You'll have no regrets. Give it your all. All right, here's the next one. Sliding into someone's DMs after a few glasses of wine. And this is a tricky one, Carol, because is. Are you the. Are you. If you're doing it, are you striking out or are you hitting a home run?

[Carol]

I've done that. I've done that.

[Kathy]

I have, too.

[Susan]

I think wine gives you courage. It's just a couple glasses. Doesn't mean you're trash.

[Carol]

I've done that.

[Susan]

Nothing wrong with it.

[Carol]

I know, I know.

[Susan]

I'm just.

[Carol]

I don't know it go. But it was kind of fun at the time, but I was like, what did I do? I think that's good at that point, right?

[Kathy]

I mean, in my case, it might be a bottle or two of wine that would get me to do it, but I think, you know what they're leaving out here. I think it could be a home run. Because if it's someone that you want, like this guy that you may or may not, you know, if you show some interest, that might have given you the courage to do it, Carol, to reach out to him, it could be a home run. But if you're reaching out to someone who, you know, broke up with you or whatever, and you're feeling, then that might be a big time strikeout.

[Susan]

Yeah. Well, how about this one? Did you ever. And it's been around for 100 years. It's since we had cell phones. And they're breaking up with you. You're sad, right? And you send a text that wasn't meant for them.

[Carol]

But I've done that, too. I did the worst ever.

[Kathy]

Tell us, Carol.

[Carol]

The worst thing ever.

[Kathy]

What?

[Carol]

It was. It was one of my first dates, right? And no. And I text Chelsea for his wife, and I said, he's not that great a kisser.

[Susan]

And you sent it to him?

[Carol]

I sent it to him.

[Kathy]

I said, what did you do? What did you say?

[Carol]

And then I looked at him like, oh.

[Kathy]

Oh, my gosh.

[Susan]

And now he can get it back fast.

[Carol]

And I was like, now? Yeah, but at the time. No, no, it was the worst. I was like, oh, my gosh, what did I do? So I said, oh, just kidding. I just. I'm just trying to give you a hard time, you know? Like, I'm just trying to ruffle your feathers a little.

[Kathy]

Did you have another date, Carol? Did you have another date, Carol?

[Susan]

It was.

[Carol]

I'm like, I shouldn't. I shouldn't be allowed to have a phone. No, no, not after a date. No. Never again. I. Can you believe that? I said.

[Susan]

Mortified. Mortified.

[Kathy]

Did you ever have another date with him?

[Carol]

Yeah, he asked me out on another date.

[Kathy]

Did he kiss any better?

[Carol]

Kisser?

[Susan]

He was.

[Carol]

I don't know why I even said that. I think I was just trying to be funny since Chelsea. I don't know. I was like. It was. It was so embarrassing. I couldn't believe it. I. Like, this is why dates.

[Susan]

And then it was done.

[Carol]

I shouldn't date. I'm disaster.

[Susan]

How about this one? Joining a dating app and only matching with younger men. Home runs.

[Carol]

Do. Do I. Do I even have to answer that one?

[Susan]

No, I think it goes all the way around. Listen. Yeah. We're all in it. Big hearts.

[Kathy]

Do you think there's anything wrong with it?

[Carol]

I. I don't think there's anything wrong with it, but I. I would say older and younger. It doesn't matter.

[Susan]

It doesn't matter.

[Carol]

It doesn't matter. But I'm wondering why only younger? Like, why wouldn't you attract older as well? I don't know.

[Kathy]

No, no, no. You're only matching. You only swipe with younger men.

[Carol]

Oh, like I'm only swiping to the younger.

[Susan]

Yeah, like you joined a dating app and you're only matching with younger men. So you could be swiping. Right. And the. The ones that match come up a match are the younger ones, which is perfectly fine. That's a home run.

[Carol]

Yeah, I think that's a home run.

[Susan]

I mean, they're not saying how much younger.

[Carol]

Yeah, it could be, like, you know, a couple years. Right. That's not a big deal.

[Kathy]

If I could just match Kathy.

[Carol]

I don't believe you.

[Kathy]

Oh, believe me.

[Susan]

Wait, Kathy does have a little story. Didn't you make a boyfriend out there?

[Kathy]

Yes, but I was gonna save it for another podcast, but I'll tell. I'll tell it. But, you know. No, I. I don't have a boyfriend out here. It was like a little joke that I said to Susan that I met my. Got my guy in A foreign land. She goes, you're kidding.

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[Kathy]

She said, what's his name? I said, ben. His name is Big Ben. I'm so enthralled with him. He's of tall stature and he tells, but, you know, he knows what time it is. You never have to. The only problem is he doesn't. He's very stable, but he can't move. You know, he's kind of stuck. He's stuck in one place, and I don't like that.

[Susan]

Flexible.

[Carol]

Yeah. I like Big Ben. I'm in for Big Ben. I like Big Ben.

[Kathy]

Let me tell you. While we're on this subject, Susan, I have. So my sister is here with me, Carol. And we've been walking around and keep

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[Kathy]

And I love a man with an accent, but I'm telling you, we were in the financial district today. I saw so many handsome men. The problem was they were my son's age. I mean, they were dressed to the t. The really British, beautiful suits, and the great core family, just really nicely dressed. But I looked at my sister and I said, here's the problem. They want to date our daughters.

[Susan]

True, true, true. Kathy, have you had tea? High tea?

[Kathy]

Not high tea, but I've had a lot of tea since I've been here. Because my sister. We walk, Susan. Walk.

[Susan]

Okay. You can walk. The high tea.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Carol]

You gotta go to the Langham. You gotta go to the Langham Hotel for tea on Sunday, too.

[Kathy]

Well, we're leaving tomorrow night for Portugal, so probably not happening. But, you know, it's okay. I'm not a. I'm not a big touristy girl. I've. This is not my first trip to London.

[Susan]

Touristy has nothing to do with having high tea.

[Kathy]

Yeah, you know what? I've eaten. Trust you. Believe me. I just don't care. Oh, you get to live.

[Carol]

Oh, I love. I love going to skinny one.

[Kathy]

Well. And you know what? When I. When I find. I. Wait, before we. Before we end this.

[Susan]

Since I'm telling you, we're not.

[Kathy]

Right.

[Susan]

We're not.

[Kathy]

I'm gonna tell you this, Susan and Carol. How do you tell me this is a. Tell me. I'm doing my own home runner strikeout, and this is true. And you're going to tell me what you think.

[Carol]

Okay.

[Kathy]

When I was here three years ago was the last time I was here with my sister. A friend of mine who lives in the States knows this guy. She and her husband. Sorry. Her husband and this guy played on the same rugby team. She said, you should go and have drinks. Fast forward. We had drinks three years ago, had dinner. He texted me, whatsapped me, was very interested. And then he said he wanted to come and stay with me. And also, you do. Well, you don't know the end of it. I said I was not comfortable with that. I did not want him staying in my house. I thought that was asking a lot to come and stay in my home. Do you agree or not?

[Carol]

Me?

[Kathy]

Yes. Carol.

[Carol]

How long did you know him?

[Kathy]

I met him for dinner in London one night. And we had dinner with him, my sister, my niece and I. And he, we all had dinner and then we went for a drink somewhere. And then, you know, he gave me a little peck on the cheek. I thought. Honestly, I didn't think he was interested. But then he started texting me and whatsapping me and, you know, called me a few times.

[Carol]

That's what they do, though, Europeans.

[Kathy]

But then he asked me, they go to people's homes.

[Carol]

Like, they used to call them billets in the old days, right? They go to people's homes.

[Kathy]

Yeah. Billets. Yeah. But here's the thing. I didn't know him well. And he wanted to come to Austin. He was coming to Houston for a rugby reunion, and then he wanted to come and stay in my house. I was not comfortable with that. And I told him that, and he was pissed off because he said, I'm flying across the pond. Well, no, he was flying across the pond to go to the rugby reunion in Houston and then was going to drive over to see me. Long story short, didn't happen. So when I was coming back this year, I texted him and I said, hey, I'm going to be coming back this spring to London, because I was. I actually was attracted to the guy.

[Carol]

Did you have to stay at his house?

[Kathy]

No, But I said, he goes, let me know the dates. So I did. Oh, and I said. I said, I'm going to be. And told him the dates and said, if you'd like to get together, staying, my niece lives in London. If you'd like to come in, have a drink, would love to see you. Well, you know, he's a guy, so he's not smart enough to turn off his red messages. So he read it and he never responded.

[Carol]

Good thing you never had him at your house, right?

[Susan]

Well, had she had him at her house, maybe he would have responded. But I was thinking that he could have his own room. He wasn't insinuating in your bed, right?

[Kathy]

Nope. No, he's not.

[Susan]

You weren't comfortable enough to his own room.

[Kathy]

You want to come visit me? Get a hotel room. I'm old fashioned, Susan. Get a hotel room. He's got plenty of money. Take me out for dinner. Yeah. So, Carol, when I tell you my dating life sucks. When I tell you, Believe me.

[Carol]

Do you know I've set up so many people, by the way? Yeah.

[Kathy]

Okay.

[Carol]

My brother. My brother Freddie's dad. I set him up. So.

[Kathy]

With Chelsea. No, no, no.

[Carol]

Freddie's dad. After he lost his wife. Yeah. He didn't date for a while, but then I. I'd set them up on a few dates.

[Susan]

On that note, keep all your girlfriends in your mind there, Carol.

[Kathy]

I'm available and I'll move to la. Unlike all these other Goldens who get to be the lead and trust the other one.

[Susan]

Shut your mouth.

[Kathy]

They trust them, but they don't move. They're not willing to move.

[Carol]

Yeah. Why don't they move? I don't understand that.

[Susan]

They need a reason to.

[Carol]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

They got the guy. They got the guy or they got the girl?

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

Figure it out, people.

[Carol]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

Are you with me? Would you move, Carol, Would you move for a guy?

[Carol]

Yeah. It depends where he lives. But I'm not moving to Indiana.

[Susan]

True to that.

[Kathy]

How do you feel about Wichita?

[Susan]

It's got to be a coast. East or west? I'm not going to Wichita.

[Carol]

I don't know.

[Susan]

Major city, right? Chicago.

[Carol]

Yeah.

[Susan]

I mean New York.

[Carol]

Find Texas. Because I. I picture myself with a nice ranch like, you know, that would

[Susan]

be a. Texas has beautiful.

[Carol]

You know, I guess it depends on the place. But if you really love somebody.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

Carol, I think you're my sister. I am right there with you. If I could meet the guy and men will say that to me, like, of course I would move. You know, of course I would move. If I. And I have two of my children and all my grandchildren are in Austin. But you know what? That's what airplanes are for.

[Carol]

Yeah. Nowadays you can just travel whenever you want. You just go back and forth. It's not a big deal.

[Susan]

Or I don't have to work. I mean, that's the only thing keeping you.

[Carol]

Exactly. If you're not working and you have time to travel back and forth, that. That's easy. As long as Europe is a little hard. But anywhere in the United States, pretty easy.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Carol]

Absolutely.

[Kathy]

All right. Well, Carol, you have been fabulous. You, we loved having you. You are an amazing, beautiful, talented woman. And we can't leave before we say, have a date with that guy. And if you don't like him, send him my way.

[Carol]

Okay, will do.

[Susan]

And make sure you rate, review and subscribe wherever you listen to your podcast

[Kathy]

and you can follow us on social media, Bachelor Happy Hour and Bachelor Nation.

[Susan]

And we'll see you next time.

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[Carol]

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[Susan]

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