Charity & Rachel Takeover Happy Hour & All Things Grandparenting! | Golden Hour

Summary

Bachelor Happy Hour – Golden Hour: “Charity & Rachel Takeover Happy Hour & All Things Grandparenting!”

Release Date: January 16, 2026
Hosts on this episode: Kathy and Susan
Main Theme: Celebrating the new era of Bachelor Happy Hour under Charity and Rachel, and heartfelt, humorous insights on grandparenting.

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Overview

In this episode of Bachelor Happy Hour's Golden Hour, Kathy and Susan lead a warm, witty, and insightful conversation reflecting on recent changes in the podcast hosts—welcoming Charity Lawson and Rachel Recchia—and dive deep into stories and advice about being a grandparent. The episode is full of affectionate anecdotes, gentle debate, and listener Q&A focused on the joys and dilemmas of modern grandparenting.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bachelor Happy Hour Host Transition

[03:11–10:30]

• Major News: Joe and Serena are stepping down, replaced by Charity and Rachel.

  • “Joe and Serena have officially parted ways. They are no longer the hosts of Bachelor Happy Hour. And Charity and Rachel, two of my favorites, have taken over. It’s like a whole new beginning.” – Kathy [04:13]

• Nostalgia & Praise: Both Kathy and Susan reminisce about Joe and Serena’s journey, their chemistry, and speculate about their future endeavors.

• Charity and Rachel’s Potential: Excitement about what these two recent Bachelorette leads can bring.

  • “They're fresh and they're new and they're excited and they're gonna have great ideas and thoughts, but I think they're going to bring an incredible perspective... Because they were leads, and they are going to be able to talk in their minds about what’s going on.” – Kathy [08:18]
  • The hosts anticipate an authentic, behind-the-scenes perspective thanks to Charity and Rachel’s unique vantage point as former leads.

• Lighthearted Jealousy: Kathy jokes about wanting to be a Bachelor/Bachelorette lead for the “group date” fun.

  • “Listening to them talk about the lead being the leads in their season and, you know, the one-on-one dates... I'm like, I want that. I want that.” – Kathy [07:05]

• Memorable Moments: Laughter about Charity’s seven wedding outfit changes and her “golden birthday” 30th celebration in Vegas, with playful protest from Kathy about being left off the invite list.

  • “She literally said, I believe I have to go back and check my golden birthday. And I lit— I was out walking, I had my headset on, and I'm listening to her podcast and going, golden birthday. The hell you are.” – Kathy [07:40]

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2. The Joys and Secrets of Grandparenting

[10:34–24:20]

Kathy’s Grandmother Adventures

• Kathy shares a whirlwind story about hosting her seven-year-old granddaughter, Lindley, for a few days.

  • “We hunted for turtles. I’m teaching her how to crochet. We went to the bookstore... we baked brownies... it’s nonstop entertainment.” – Kathy [11:14]

• Meaningful moment when Lindley’s parents text to say that her “high” for the day was spending time with her grandma (“Kiki”).

  • “Her high for the day was spending a few days with Kiki... that I’m so funny and I’m so much fun and she had the best time. And of course, that just made my... yeah, it made it. I just, I just.” – Kathy [12:01]

• Guilt-free grandparenting: Kathy admits to letting her granddaughter have pizza (with ranch, no less) for dinner and lunch, something she never did as a parent.

  • “I let her have pizza for dinner with— and she dips it in ranch dressing.” – Kathy [12:18]

Grandparenting Philosophy

• Both Susan and Kathy reflect on balancing involvement with hands-off fun.

  • “Being a grandparent is so different from children... My problem is to love them. Hand down culture, tradition, and just have fun with it.” – Kathy [13:39]
  • Susan underscores the spectrum of grandparenting, from “the oldest is 18 next week” to “the youngest is in immersion preschool.”

• The challenges: Navigating differences in parenting values.

  • “My least favorite part is watching how they're raising the kids. Their discipline and their… what they do. Because I am totally different in my values and my views.” – Susan [16:18]

• The hosts agree that discipline is up to the parents, but love, tradition, and a little “spoiling” are the grandparent's domain.

  • “I think once our kids became parents, they're like, oh, this is what it's like to be a parent... parenting is hard work.” – Kathy [17:54]

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3. Listener Q&A: Navigating Grandparent Boundaries

[24:20–39:29]

“Should Grandparents Share Life Lessons?”

• Listener Marianne asks if it’s OK to share stories, life lessons, and wisdom with grandkids, or if she should stick to just “fun.”

  • “What happened to teaching our children to respect, admire and perhaps learn from the senior generation?” – Marianne (read by Kathy) [24:31]

• Hosts’ take:

  • Susan: “Why would your daughter try to silence you unless you were telling them something negative or scary that might haunt them?... I like being the fun.” [25:52]
  • Kathy: “I do tell my grandchildren stories... But I do think that it is not okay if our children tell us that they don't want us to discipline their children... My house, my rules...” [26:48]

• There’s agreement that boundaries are important—especially regarding values, discipline, or topics parents have chosen to limit—while affirming that sharing heritage and positive stories is both natural and valuable.

  • “If you are not a current supporter of our president and your child is, you don’t get to tell your grandchildren what you think.” – Kathy [30:31]
  • “It’s always about conversation. Talk with your child.” – Kathy [34:31]

“Do I Need to Move to Be a Good Grandparent?”

• Listener Chris is worried about being a long-distance grandparent, as her daughter is having a baby across the country.

  • "Isn’t it ultimately about family? It shouldn’t matter where you live…” – Chris (read by Susan) [39:29]

• Hosts’ advice:

  • Susan encourages frequent visits early on and embracing FaceTime and video calls, but acknowledges it takes time for kids to feel equally close if they’re far away.
  • Kathy insists: “Of course it’s okay. Forgive yourself... FaceTime has changed a lot.” [42:15]
  • The necessity of balancing grandparent dreams with jobs, personal needs, and the reality of distance.
    • “You don't know that they'll always stay… It's hard. Susan’s right. You're go to have to adapt to the new idea that you're not going to see them every day.” – Kathy [44:47]

• Both hosts get real about the limits of “sacrifice” and suggest creative ways to stay connected—recording books, video chatting, and prioritizing visits when possible.

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4. Lighthearted Grandparenting Tactics & Closing Thoughts

[47:19–51:43]

• Kathy and Susan share playful tech and car game stories, highlighting how grandkids teach them about phones and how classic games like “I Spy” or alphabet trivia can be bonding moments.

  • “My almost three-year-old granddaughter... she can— it's crazy what she can do. When she gets my daughter's phone, she knows how to scroll. She's also frozen it where you have to wait 20 minutes to unlock it.” – Kathy [49:38]
  • “When I'm driving, you start with the letter A and you name an animal and you have to repeat each letter… by the time you're getting through the Alphabet, it gets a little crazy.” – Susan [50:55]

• Gentle closing reminders: Enjoy the moments, soak up time with grandkids before they're teens, keep family communication open, and always send in questions for future episodes.

  • “Thank you all so much for listening and enjoying things with us… Please write in. We love hearing from you.” – Kathy [51:43]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Show’s Transition:

  • “They couldn't have chosen a better twosome to take over Bachelor Happy Hour.” – Kathy [09:35]

• On Grandchildren’s “Highs and Lows”:

  • “Lindley’s high for the day was spending a few days with Kiki... and she had the best time.” – Kathy [12:01]

• On Generational Wisdom:

  • “We do have lots of great stories and heritage to pass along... folklore that we lose right after a few generations.” – Kathy [34:31]

• On Parenting vs. Grandparenting:

  • “I'm not here to be your friend. I am here to raise you to be the best adult you can be... so I'm really sorry that you can't go toilet paper the neighbor’s house, but we're not doing that.” – Kathy [18:30]

• On Modern Connections:

  • “FaceTime has changed a lot... There’s lots of things you can do.” – Susan [46:15]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• New Host News & Reaction: 03:11–10:30
• Grandparent Stories & Philosophy: 10:34–24:20
• Listener Q&A on Grandparent Boundaries: 24:20–39:29
• Q&A on Long-Distance Grandparenting: 39:29–47:19
• Car Games, Modern Grandchild Connections: 47:19–51:43

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Final Thoughts

The episode strikes a perfect blend of Bachelor Nation insider banter and heartfelt, real-life advice. Kathy and Susan share the ups and downs of evolving family roles, offer encouragement to listeners facing generational tensions, and cement the notion that both “fun” and “wisdom” have a place in grandparenthood—alongside the essential skills of talking, listening, and compromising with adult children.

For anyone juggling family, distance, and the joys and worries of being a grandparent—or simply missing past and present Bachelor personalities—this episode delivers both laughter and real-life guidance.

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[Kathy]

Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hours Golden Hour. Thanks so much for joining us today. We're so excited to be back. How are you doing, my dear friend Susan?

[Susan]

I'm doing great. I'm back into the cold weather. Actually, it's been like 50 is not bad, but tonight it's dropping 20 degrees. We might get some flurries, some rain.

[Kathy]

Oh, God. Well, can I just tell you, I found a way to feel like I was in the hot sun. I used some medication on my face that burned my face. Now I'm peeling. It's not quite like being at the beach, but, you know, the results the same.

[Susan]

Kathy, between your hair and your face, I mean, it's 2026. This is a new season.

[Kathy]

I know. I got things to say about it, too. Let me just say, 2026, I got things.

[Susan]

But I am excited for this new year. I really am.

[Kathy]

Me too.

[Susan]

I love being in it. Let's see what happens. So today we will be answering more of our fan questions. But first, there is some very big news that came out this week, and we just have to talk about it.

[Kathy]

Oh. Oh, my gosh. Okay. So Joe and Serena have officially parted ways. They are no longer the hosts of Bachelor Happy Hour. And Charity and Rachel, two of my favorites, have taken over. It's like a whole new beginning. What do you think about it?

[Susan]

First of all, Joe and Serena, like, how many podcasts did we do with them? I love them. They're like family.

[Kathy]

They are. So do you remember the first time And Serena, I've never let her forget it. Every time we see each other, we now joke about it. Do you remember the first time we were on their podcast and Serena had said something about me from Golden? You know, I don't really.

[Susan]

You called her own.

[Kathy]

Oh, I did. She goes, I never said it. And I said, oh, yeah, you did. And. And I said, but. She goes, but I. And she was stuttering. She goes, I really like you. I really like you. They are wonderful people. But, you know, listening to their last podcast, it was, you know, they were talking when they started, they weren't married, and then they were married. They Weren't they. They were legally married. I guess they had a justice to the peace wedding. But they were talking about how much their life had changed in the. Whatever it was, two and a half years they had done the podc, how many things had changed.

[Susan]

And I've been part of Bachelor forever.

[Kathy]

Forever. And I love that they talked about, you know, how they met and how. The best part for me, though, you know, when people ask us, susan, what is your favorite interview? And we go, they did the same thing. They like, how do you choose one? And I love that they. That they, you know, mentioned that, you know, what's your favorite? I don't know.

[Susan]

I wonder what they're going to be doing. I'm sure we will see them again.

[Kathy]

Oh, yeah. I mean, I think. I think. Who knows? I think that they're not done with podcasting. I think they're not done working together. They commented on how well they work together, so I think that's really exciting.

[Susan]

And remember them saying, it's an adjustment, like living together, working together, all in the same place.

[Kathy]

I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know. But let's talk Charity. Charity and Rachel. So I know Charity better than I know Rachel, but I love them both. I think they're going to be great. Here's. Here's what struck me. And then. Then I'm curious what you think when they started talking, they were both leads, and so they were talking about what happened on their show, and I'm like.

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[Susan]

Well, you kind of get lost for a few minutes because we weren't there. But they were so giddy and excited. I'm so excited for them. That was like two girls, just.

[Kathy]

But I mean, I gotta admit, listening to them talk about the lead being the leads in their season and, you know, the one on one dates and the group dates that went too long, I'm like, I want that. I want that. So I am very excited. I loved their first podcast.

[Susan]

Yes.

[Kathy]

First of all, we got some tea on. On Charity's wedding and the seven outfits.

[Susan]

That she's gonna have, you know, and.

[Kathy]

She'S gonna look fabulous in every one of them.

[Susan]

And her 30th birthday celebration in Las Vegas. That was. And why weren't we invited? Mike, I'm calling her.

[Kathy]

Wait, can I just say she's. When she's talking about, you know, the big. And of course, I know how old she is, right? But she's saying, you know, this is the big one. And it's like, it's it's my. She literally said, I believe I have to go back and check my golden birthday. And I lit. I was out walking, I had my headset on, and I'm listening to her podcast and going, golden birthday. The hell you are.

[Susan]

Wait, do you remember turning 30, though? I mean, seriously, that was a big day.

[Kathy]

I don't. I remember turning 40. I don't remember turning 30.

[Susan]

I remember 30. And I know what she's saying. And she talked a lot about Frankie Taylor. They're so excited about all this.

[Kathy]

So I will say, you know, one of the things I'm most excited about for their podcast, first of all, they're fresh and they're new and they're excited and they're gonna have great ideas and thoughts, but I think they're going to bring an incredible perspective to the podcast. Why? Because they were leads, and they are going to be able to talk in. In their minds about what's going on with Taylor and how she's doing with the situation she finds herself in. And I think that's going to be fascinating listening.

[Susan]

And the way they were talking, they were talking as if there's going to be some roller coaster rides. I mean, yeah, Taylor just steps out and does her thing. She is who she is. She owns it. Yeah. I don't know.

[Kathy]

I think.

[Susan]

Very excited. We're excited about it.

[Kathy]

I'm excited. I think that it is an incredible opportunity for them to start on such a high note with Taylor. And by the way, can I just say, most people say Taylor Frankie. Paul. I'm. I'm going to just start calling her Taylor instead of Taylor.

[Susan]

I call her Frankie Taylor half the time.

[Kathy]

So we're gonna. We're gonna simplify this. From now on, we are referring to Taylor.

[Susan]

Or you could call it Taylor. I'll call her Frankie.

[Kathy]

Oh, that'll confuse people. But I really do think that, that Rachel and I think they couldn't have chosen a better twosome to take over Bachelor Happy Hour. I think they're going to do a great job. I'm so excited that they're joining the podcast family. And of course, we are now. So much success. They don't need. They don't need wishes. They're going to be great. They're gonna. They're gonna nail this. But I really do think that the fact that they were both leads is really going to bring a whole new perspective to it. Because you know what?

[Susan]

Know what? What's happening. They knew how it worked.

[Kathy]

So you know what's going to happen? You and I are going to be leads so we can change our perspective.

[Susan]

I'll tell you what, but do you.

[Kathy]

Ever feel like we're selling a lot of soap?

[Susan]

That. No. But I'm so excited for the girls. Congratulations. If you're listening, we cannot wait to talk to you about it.

[Kathy]

Congrats. Yeah, really. You did a great job.

[Susan]

All right, Kath, should we get into today's episode?

[Kathy]

Wait, I have to tell you, today's episode, I'm so excited about it because we're going to be talking about grandchildren grandparenting and I have to tell you, it's perfect timing because I just had Lindley, my seven year old granddaughter. I had her because school hasn't gone back to session yet for a couple reasons and parents have to work, you know, that whole thing. And so I had my granddaughter spending the night with me and was here like two and a half days and I have to tell you, I have forgotten what it's like. We did. I mean, we hunted for turtles. I taught her. I'm teaching how to crochet. I'm. We went to the bookstore and I got. I'm trying to get her to read because everyone who knows me knows I love books. So we sat there reading, we baked brownies, we. I mean, it's like non stop entertainment. I love it so much. But I have to tell you, she went home last night and my son texted me, Kyle, who you know, and his wife Candy texted me. And they always do highs and lows. Every night at the dinner table. The high for the day. Each person says they're high for the day and they're low for the day. And they both text me and said Lindley's high for the day was spending. Getting to spend a few days with Kiki, which is my grandmother name, spending a few days with Kiki that I'm so funny and I'm so much fun and she had the best time. And of course, that just made my. Yeah, it made it. I just, I just.

[Susan]

I loved her little card trick. I think you put it out. I know you put it out on Instagram.

[Kathy]

She wouldn't teach it to me either.

[Susan]

She said, this is the card.

[Kathy]

It was hysterical. I couldn't believe it. She wants to be a magician. That's today. You know, next week she wants to be a gymnast. She's just. It is so fun. Grandparent is so different from children. And I'm just going to tell you one thing I did that I would never let my children do. I'm embarrassed to admit it. I let her have pizza for dinner with and she dips it in ranch dressing.

[Susan]

Oh, God. A lot of the younger generation.

[Kathy]

I know. And then, and then the brownies we made, she had those for dessert. And then guess what she had for lunch the next day?

[Susan]

What?

[Kathy]

More pizza dipped in ranch.

[Susan]

So what's wrong with that? You never let your kids have pizza.

[Kathy]

For dinner Friday night and the next day for lunch? No, no.

[Susan]

Why?

[Kathy]

Because fruits, vegetables balance meals. You know, For God's sake, Kathy, I'm just.

[Susan]

Baseball season and your kids are athletes. You get hot dogs.

[Kathy]

No, no, no. We did that, too. We'd have hot dogs at the dugout. No, we did that, too.

[Susan]

Anyway, all right, so today.

[Kathy]

We are.

[Susan]

Back and we're going to answer more of our fan questions. And we are excited to check in with you guys and dish out some advice. First, I'm going to start us off with a question of the day. Kath, what are your favorite and least favorite parts of being a grandparent?

[Kathy]

Okay, the favorite part is like, I was just talking about spending time with. With them. I also have a two and a half year old granddaughter and then three grandsons. You know, it's watching them going to the sporting events, going to their dance recitals, baking with them, cooking with them, spoiling them. Because you know what? It's not my problem when they go home. Oh, wait, that is. That is my. I don't want to see my favorite part. But I love least favorite. Honestly, the least favorite is I have to change my schedule when they come to stay with me. I can't. For example, I couldn't go out and leave Lindley and go walk my five miles. So I couldn't do it. That, you know, two days I missed, which was hard for me. That's me being selfish. But I love the fact that my kids get a chance to spend a little time, you know, without having to make dinner and get kids up in the morning. But I also love that, you know, they're not my problem to discipline. My problem is to love them. Hand down culture, tradition, and just have fun with it. My little two and a half year old granddaughter, I just love watching her grow and watching her learn. And she speaks Spanish and English. She's in an immersion program. I love watching her, be her, you know, I didn't have time as a parent. What about you?

[Susan]

I have them in all stages. So Julian is the oldest one and I cannot believe he's 15 and a half in May.

[Kathy]

I got one. He's 18 in January.

[Susan]

Drive.

[Kathy]

I know.

[Susan]

Oh, my God. Then I have Mason, who is the athlete, and we go to his games. You know Bella, the teenage granddaughter.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Susan]

Going through hormones, just got a period. Her mother's not real pleased with her. She's moody. Being a grandparent, I hear my daughter complain. But when you. You're looking at it, you know, it's like, well, Brit, this is. What do you think you did? But my favorite part of the 24 year olds. Okay. Once my sons. Once my daughter. I took my son's Stella with me to Virginia to see my daughter and Toby. On the way home. Stella's sharp. On the way home, she says, mimi, how come Tovi only drink diet soda and eat Oreos?

[Kathy]

I was like, oh, oh, I'm sorry. Your granddaughter drinks diet soda.

[Susan]

Brittany is a diet soda. Well, I was on. I came undone. The thing I don't like, my least favorite part is watching how they're raising the kids. Their discipline and their. Their what they do. Because I am totally different in my values and my views, as some of your kids do theirs. Like, that is the struggle.

[Kathy]

I will say I. You are. I hadn't thought of that. You are absolutely right. When.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

Kyle got divorced. So as all of you may remember, Susan officiated Kyle's second marriage, and they are very happily married. And I inherited three wonderful grandsons in addition to my two granddaughters. So now I have five. But I was worried. It's so interesting that you say that. I was worried that my son, you know, the guilt, all that of getting divorced and. And kids switching homes and all that, that he would be a permissive father that anything Lily wanted, she'd get. And I really was worried. Oh, my heavens. Lindley is the most well behaved. She's creative beyond belief. She's polite. She carries her dishes to the sink. She doesn't interrupt. She's seven. And she is a graceful young lady. And that is due to Candy and Kyle making her toe the rope. And you're exactly right. Like, it doesn't happen. I think. I think once our kids became parents, they're like, oh, this is what it's like to be a parent.

[Susan]

It doesn't just.

[Kathy]

It doesn't just happen. Please and thank you and making your bed and cleaning your room. Gotta teach and what you have to do. And guess what? Our children are now realizing what you and I learned, which is parenting is hard work. And there.

[Susan]

And the other thing, with a book of instructions and.

[Kathy]

And I will say, I've said this many times to my kids. You. You are not your children's Friends like my kids were. Don't you remember when your kids were young? I had this all the time. My kids would come home and go, mom, I can't believe you won't let us do that. Because Joey's mother and I looked at them and would always say, I said that. First of all. Yeah, exactly. First of all, I would say, I don't care what Joey's mother does. And secondly, I'm not here to be your friend. I am here to raise you to be the best adult you can be. So I'm really sorry that you can't go toilet paper the neighbor's house, but we're not doing that.

[Susan]

Mine was a big thing on curfew. Everybody was allowed out later than I was.

[Kathy]

Oh, yeah, mom, why?

[Susan]

Why? My father said, nothing good happens after 11 at night.

[Kathy]

Oh, I. I must have known your. Your father because I said, nothing good happens after nine.

[Susan]

Well, I had to be home at nine, but that when I was younger, as I got older, even they still had rules.

[Kathy]

Well, I. You know, I think it's going to be interesting. You know, we're going to get into some questions here, but I think it's really going to be interesting to see how our children. Well, your. Your daughter. I'm gonna have to talk to Brittany. Brittany, my PSA for you today is get that kid off diet soda. Not good for children, not good for anyone, but definite.

[Susan]

And as you said, we are coming back here and answering some of the questions, and we're really excited that you guys are here with us, and we're here to dish out some more advice.

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[Susan]

Kathy after being the favorite and not so favorite part of grandparenting, let's hear what our listeners have to say. Would you like to go first or would you like me to go first?

[Kathy]

All right, here we go. I'll take first one Marianne writes hi Kathy and Susan. I'm a big fan and look forward to your episodes each week week. I know you are both grandparents and would love your thoughts on what the role of a grandparent means to you. I recently had a discussion with my daughter about my role as a grandparent. I am 66 years old. I have two teenage grandchildren and two under the age of eight. My daughter told me that grandparents should not share opinions, experiences or life lessons with the grandchildren. She believes that is the parents role and that grandparents should just quote spend time and have fun unquote with their grandchildren. I was hurt by this and don't agree but will respect her wishes. But I also don't want to be silenced. I love to share my life experiences when relevant with my grandchildren. We have lots of fun and I feel like I have so much more to offer them. Grandparents have knowledge, wisdom, life experiences and can be great mentors as well. I want to be more than just a quote unquote fun grandparent. What happened to teaching our children to respect, admire and perhaps learn from the senior generation? What are your thoughts? Also keep living your best lives. Ladies. You rock. Well thank you. We we are rocking. What do you say to her?

[Susan]

Susan Mary I agree whole 150,000% even though because the generations are so different by the time we have grandchildren they love our stories. I mean they're not as crazy as their par would be. But why would your daughter try to silence you unless you were Telling them something negative or scary that might haunt them. But of course you wouldn't do that. I like being the fun.

[Kathy]

Right. I have a couple of thoughts on it. I like you, Miriam. I do tell my grandchildren stories about me as a child and stories about their, their parents, you know, their parents when they were children. Here's what I would encourage you. My thought is, I agree with Susan. The world's coming to an end, you hear, to feel the building.

[Susan]

You've been doing that a lot lately.

[Kathy]

We're agreeing. Here's. I do agree that we have lots of wisdom. I agree with you as well. We have a lot of life experiences and, and we want to be the fun grandparent, but we also want to share our life experiences. I do think that it is not okay if our children tell us that they don't want us to discipline their children. I think that's okay. But even that I must say, Susan, I draw the line. I kind of say, my house, my rules. Now, by that I'm not going to discipline my granddaughter and say, I just said to you, she had ranch and pizza. I'm ranch dressing. I would never have let my kids do that. And they would have had. And if I did, because it's not healthy. But I would have, I would have let them have. If I would have let them do it occasionally if they had vegetables, fruits and vegetables on a side serving with a pizza. But of course that defeats the point of having pizza night. So we did pizza nights at our house. That kind of thing I will do. I am not going to discipline my children's, my grandchildren on the way they speak unless they're rude to me. I'm not going to give them life lessons.

[Susan]

Well, like I remind them if they didn't say thank you. So what do you say? Oh, thank you.

[Kathy]

Yes, I do that as well. But for example, you do you think maybe, maybe her kids are divorced? I mean, my. I don't talk about my son's ex wife with, with my granddaughter. And when my granddaughter brings her up, I say things like, oh, that's nice.

[Susan]

Nice. Yeah.

[Kathy]

You know, I'm sure she's busy, you know, whatever. I try to get very on the up and up, but I think maybe your daughter Miriam is afraid that you are teaching her some value. In other words, they don't, maybe they don't go to church and you want to take her to church. You, you can't do that if the parents don't want her reading the Bible. That's example to me. If you're if you're. If her parents. The kids. Parents don't want the kids reading the Bible. Or then you can't take them. Or you can't take them to temple. You can't take them to church. You can't do those things for them. You can't take your children. Grandchildren to a. A rally, a political rally. Those are choices that the parent gets to make.

[Susan]

And when her daughter says life lessons. You learn from life lessons. When somebody's Else. Somebody else's life lesson, why wouldn't your daughter want her to share? Like, I know my grandkids could teach me things.

[Kathy]

Okay, but, Susan, what if you're. What if your granddaughter. Your. Your grand. Let's say your teenage granddaughter, you were over there babysitting, and she brought home. I'm making this up. A failing math test. You're. You're babysitting. They're out of town. She brought home a male. A failing math test. Are you gonna sit down and make her correct the an.

[Susan]

I'm gonna. I'm not sure why she failed it. What's going on?

[Kathy]

No, see, that's not your business. Not your thing. That's it to me. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying.

[Susan]

Right.

[Kathy]

I think that's what Miriam is getting at here. Marianne's daughter. So I think, Mary, my advice to you is. I agree with you. We do have lots of life lessons and some of the fun stories and all those things I think are. Are passing along heritage traditions are fabulous. But I think the two things she says, too. Yeah. Your opinion on.

[Susan]

Because our opinion and our kids opinion might be, too.

[Kathy]

Yeah. You don't exactly. You don't get to. If. If you are not a current supporter of our president and your child is. You don't get to tell your grandchildren what you think. It's those kinds of things that might be against her. Her daughters. So I would have the conversation.

[Susan]

As she says, I love to share my life experience when relevant.

[Kathy]

What is wrong with that?

[Susan]

Oh, guys, you. You think this is nuts, but when I was a little girl and my daddy came home and got me this or whatever, what you felt like. There's nothing wrong with that. I don't think.

[Kathy]

Okay, how about this one? That's lovely. That's very Norman Rockwellish. Let me give you another. Let me give you another one. This did not happen to me, but I'm. It's a great story. You know, Lindley, when I was 16, I got caught stealing a car, and I had to go, oh, my God. It Didn't. That's a life lesson.

[Susan]

Why would you tell someone.

[Kathy]

I don't know. But I'm saying you're. We are assuming that all life lessons are nice stories. And yes, I went to the store and I gave the woman behind me $10 for her groceries. No know, maybe she had an issue with drugs. Maybe she stole cars. Maybe. I'm saying you, you have to.

[Susan]

You don't know who the person is.

[Kathy]

And so my advice, Miriam, is ask your daughter what experiences you can share with her, with your grandchildren. That's what I would do. It's a lot. You wouldn't, Susan.

[Susan]

No, I don't think I would.

[Kathy]

And that's why your granddaughter's drinking Diet Coke.

[Susan]

Joke. She's four and I don't live with her, but she would not do that in my house. Let me tell you. But you know what I learned from my grandkids? They helped me with the cell phone things I didn't even know existed on my phone. They're like, mimi, you have a 17. How do I do it, guys? And they do it for you. And I go, no, no, no, teach me. Slow down. You just do this, this, this.

[Kathy]

Can I tell you, my two and a half year old granddaughter. So I don't again my thing. Oh, that's another example, by the way. If, if, if. That is another great example. If you think that screen time is fine, not a problem. And you let your. And. But your daughter.

[Susan]

There's a certain time of day they're allowed.

[Kathy]

No, no, no. That's her rule, right? That's your daughter's rule. If, if, if my son or my daughter has a rule that the kids don't have screen time. Kyle's daughter is not allowed. Lynn and I support it, by the way. Is not allowed. When she's staying with them. She is not allowed any time on the iPad. Any of it. I wholly support that. Kids get enough of it at school. Now, let's say Lily was at school. A lot of kids, yes, they learn on iPads. A lot of.

[Susan]

They're learning something, but it's not like a movie or.

[Kathy]

Oh, no, no, no, no. It's. I say they doing lessons and things. They have enough screen time at school. But let's just say, Susan, that Lindley was at my house and you know, I'd really like to be reading a book or needle pointing. And so I say, Lindley, just pick up your iPad and here's my iPad. That is wrong. That is me putting my. My value system. That's a great example putting my values ahead of what my son's values are. So that's I think what she's getting at. So again Miriam, I would encourage you to find out exactly what it is she doesn't want you to share. Because you're absolutely right. We do have lots of great stories and and heritage just pass along in traditions to our kids that folklore that we lose right after a few generations. So I love that have that con. It's always about conversation. Talk with your child.

[Susan]

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[Susan]

Next is Chris hi Kathy and Susan. First let me say how much I enjoy listening to your podcast. I have a question regarding grandchildren. Our daughter is pregnant with our first granddaughter. She's due in March and we are beyond excited. The problem is we live in Las Vegas and they're in Tulsa, Oklahoma. None of my grandparents lived locally to me growing up and neither were my daughter's grandparents and we all felt like we missed out out. My husband and I have always wanted to be those grandparents who live close so the grandkids could come over anytime within reason and we could be involved in their lives. We are 61 and 56 and have jobs. We also love living in Vegas. Tulsa, from what we've seen, isn't exactly where we see ourselves enjoying living and we don't know anyone other than our daughter and son in law and his family. But it isn't. But isn't it ultimately about family? It shouldn't matter where you live as long as you're close to them, right? Or is it okay to be long distance facetime grandparents? I know we'll be sad and feel like we're missing out, but we also have have to have a life outside of just the grandkids. There's no chance of them leaving Tulsa and I don't blame them. It's a great place to raise a family. I respect you both in the wisdom you bring to the show and would love any advice or experiences you could share. Happy 2026 and we wish you the same. Chris. Happy 2026 and whoa. I get it it. I totally get this. There's a way to still be in their lives. Yes, you will have to result to FaceTime, but you got to be around in the beginning and visit enough so that they're comfortable and knowing who you are. Because kids get that strange thing when you're not really around. Christopher was his pet peeve about Stella, knowing her Mimi and and we're very close Because I babysat the first year of her life.

[Kathy]

Yes, but that's because you live locally. You're proving her point.

[Susan]

Tovi it took me time. I would go down to Virginia a couple times a year. She comes up a couple Times a year, and it took a lot of time. Dicky is down there a lot. My ex, he was very close to Toby. But she has come around. She knows her Mimi. And it does work.

[Kathy]

I think so. So I also. I also. Chris lived near one set of grandparents, and the other set I did not live close to. However, there was not FaceTime and the. And the resources we have now to keep in contact. Having said that, I was much closer to my mother's parents than I was to my dad's because they live. My mother's lived locally. Having said that, you guys are working, and there's not much you can do about. Is it okay? Of course it's okay. Forgive yourself. The. Give yourself the. The latitude. The. To say, look, this isn't what we thought it would be. But we're working. We have friends in. In Las Vegas. We have a life in Las Vegas. I think Susan's right. Spend. I don't blame you for not wanting to leave. I think, you know, my kids, every time they talk conceptually, my. My. My daughter and her husband, my son, occasionally they conceptually talk about living somewhere else. I don't think it's ever going to happen, but they talk about it. And I say to them, you know, like, if they move back to the Northeast, I don't want to go back to the cold. I don't, you know, she doesn't want to go to Tulsa. I don't want to go back to the Northeast. I don't like the snow. And so these are choices we make as parents and grandparents. However, I. I am retired, and if any of my kids moved, I. And, you know, this Susan, I've said, well, it costs a lot of money to travel, but I would try to spend at least a week, a month with, you know, whoever moves or if I moved, whatever. I mean, I could move away. I do think it's very important. But I do think FaceTime has changed a lot.

[Susan]

And also they got to prepare themselves because his family is going to be local. And when you go to visit, there's going to be some jealousy because they're going to be very attached to his parents, and that's what they're familiar with. But it's not forever. Like I said, it takes a few years, and they'll. They'll know you because, you know, obviously, we'll love them to death and you'll. FaceTime.

[Kathy]

You know, I mean, I think it's. It. It. Listen, it's not a question of whether it's okay or not okay, because, you Guys are working. It's you. You know, some of these things are out of your control.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

So Chris, you can't. Unless you can relocate and you're willing to, it doesn't matter whether it's okay or not because you both are gainfully employed in Las Vegas, Nevada. I get it. And the other thing is you don't know that they'll always stay. Likely they will stay there. His family's there. But it's hard. Susan's right. You're go to have to adapt to the new idea that you're not going to see them every day. You're not going to be babysitting.

[Susan]

And holidays, you know, you're going to go on the holidays and decide will they come to you on any holidays. It's not easy.

[Kathy]

Yeah, it is. Is it ultimately about family? It is ultimately about family. And guess what? You and your husband are a family too. And you have a wife. So I, I, the question you could have asked, asked is, but isn't it ultimately about sacrifice because you and your husband are a family. And the answer is no, it's not ultimately about sacrifice for me. And I love my grandchildren.

[Susan]

A trip and you could have the baby come out and stay with you.

[Kathy]

Or not if they're working. Not if they're working.

[Susan]

Yeah, yeah. It's tough.

[Kathy]

That's what I'm saying. It's not, it's that they've got, they have a number of years. They're, they're damned if they do. Damn if they don't.

[Susan]

But congratulations on the new baby coming on the grid.

[Kathy]

Yeah, coming. Yeah.

[Susan]

And that baby will know you love them.

[Kathy]

Yeah. You just, you, you can send gifts. But talking to them, there's lots of.

[Susan]

Things you can do.

[Kathy]

Recording books face. You can report record books with your voice. It's not ideal. You might be spending a lot of your vacation time in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

[Susan]

Listen, could bring the baby to her too.

[Kathy]

I would stay in Vegas. The weather's better.

[Susan]

Really?

[Kathy]

And, and I think you don't pay taxes in Nevada, do you? And you certainly do in Oklahoma. I'm always looking at the financial piece.

[Susan]

I don't think I'd want to move to Oklahoma no matter what. I'll visit.

[Kathy]

Well, from Texas, let me just say living in Texas, Oklahoma, I mean, it's like the arch rivals, the two schools. Oh, you know, they have a lot of, they have a lot of bad weather in Oklahoma. They get. During the spring they get, you know, lots of cyclone, bad windstorms and rainstorms coming through there. Tornadoes that's what I was looking for. Tornadoes, lots of them.

[Susan]

Just, just swallow it. Love that baby to death. Be a part of its life. You're not going to FaceTime when the baby's two months old, obviously.

[Kathy]

Yeah, I will.

[Susan]

Sure you'll go visit and be there.

[Kathy]

I will say, just having the best you can. Just having had my granddaughter with me and I love when the little one comes, I will tell you. Do you agree the time goes by very quickly. My three grandsons, I mean, they never spend the night here. They're. They're in sports and band and jazz band and 4H club. I mean they have so many activities. So I, which, which you're not gonna like hearing. Chris. I'm trying to soak up as much time as I can while they're really young because my other are two and a half. Well, she'll be three. I can'. I believe she'll be three in April, but, you know, almost three year old and a seven year old. I'm trying to soak up and have them come over and spend time with them as much as I can because they get to that point where they want to be with their friends and they have activities. It's hard. I mean, you just don't. Then do you. Let me ask you, Susan, do you talk to your, your teenage grandchildren? Do you, do you call them? Do they call you on the phone.

[Susan]

Phone once in a while. We text. They only call if they need something.

[Kathy]

I was gonna. Is that true? Okay.

[Susan]

My son will text out of nowhere. I love you, mom. Thanks for being my mom. I appreciate.

[Kathy]

Which son is this?

[Susan]

Christopher.

[Kathy]

Christopher will text you. But I'm talking about your grandchildren that are old enough to use the phone. You know, they don't just call you up to say hi. No, see, I want my grandkids to do that. That I'm, I want them.

[Susan]

I reach out to them and text is way easier. Half the time they're punished. They don't have a phone.

[Kathy]

But that's because I had too many diet sodas that the sugar went to the.

[Susan]

And I'll text. Hey, it's Mimi. What's up?

[Kathy]

Yeah, what's up?

[Susan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kathy]

But you don't FaceTime with the older ones, do you? FaceTime with.

[Susan]

I see them. No. Yeah, well, babies, I do. Even Stella, like, if I call Britney, she'll be like, FaceTime, Amy, FaceTime, Mimi, FaceTime.

[Kathy]

But that's because they love. That's because they love the screen. You know, they want to.

[Susan]

Because they love Mimi. They want to see me and she wants to show me what she's doing. Is that four year old going on five. That, that was Toby, definitely.

[Kathy]

So it's very funny because my, my almost three year old granddaughter, she can. It's crazy what she can do. When she gets my daughter's phone, she knows how to scroll. She knows. She's also frozen it where you have to wait 20 minutes to unlock it.

[Susan]

It's also when you're in the car and they're cranky here, put music on, give them the phone.

[Kathy]

So you know what I do that.

[Susan]

Nursery rhyme, song, songs.

[Kathy]

Okay.

[Susan]

Stella will ask for it.

[Kathy]

Well, we do that. But you know what? I. Because, you know, I was an education person.

[Susan]

We all sing.

[Kathy]

I do, we do that. We play music. I play, I play classical music for them. Sometimes I play pop music. We'll do Taylor swift because my 7 year old loves that. But you know what, you know what I do with my. The young ones? I did it with Lindley and now I'm doing with Reese. The almost three year old will sit in the car and I'll say, I see something green and.

[Susan]

Oh, yes.

[Kathy]

And then I'll do. I'll say, look at that stop sign. You're gonna. I can already hear you laughing. How many sides does it have? And try to teach them the letters S. What sound does S make? Like snakes. It's like, it's like we have preschool in my car when I have them. But yeah, they seem to have fun with it.

[Susan]

And I preschool with the adults when I'm driving. You start. Remember I might have played this with you. I don't know. You start with the letter A and you name an animal and you have to repeat each letter. By the time you're getting through the Alphabet, it gets a little crazy. And people look at me like, susan, you're really playing that game. I'm bored, people. We got three more hours. Let's go.

[Kathy]

Susan, you've forgotten we did that the first time we went to St. Martin with Nancy when we got lost on that dark road at night.

[Susan]

Let's play the Alphabet game.

[Kathy]

I was like, are you serious? We are lost. We know not where we are. And Suze wants to play Alphabet. That great, perfect.

[Susan]

It takes your mind off of things. But you know what? We could just chat all day long and this was a lot of fun. Thank you all so much for listening and enjoying things with us.

[Kathy]

Yeah, and please write in. We. We love hearing from you. All you have to do is go to bachelor nation.com Golden Hour. Send us your questions, your comments. We love, love hearing from you. And be sure to follow Bachelor Happier Hour as we have new episodes coming out every week that you don't want to miss.

[Susan]

Ms. Definitely listen to Bachelor Happy Hours golden hour on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you listen to your podcast. Until next time, have a great week.

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