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Rachel
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Charity
Hello, everyone. Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Charity.
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Rachel
And I'm Rachel.
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Charity
And we are back with a lovely, lovely episode. This one. Put your headphones on and buckle up.
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Rachel
I am a little nervous because there is so much to say, and I'm wondering how much we can say legally.
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Charity
Well, at this point, we'll find out, right? Why? Why not? You know, let's. Let's try. Let's try and see. I think we should start with, you know, our family, Bachelor Nation. There's a lot going on, but there's also a lot happening in pop culture. But we'll get to that in a second. Let's start with some very, very specific Bachelor Nation news, which I'm not gonna lie, this one broke me. Like, this one truly broke me. For our listeners, if you don't or have not seen the news, Joe Amaboly, who was the former host of this podcast, revealed that he has an early stage brain tumor which is going to require him to undergo brain surgery in a couple of weeks, which I. It's so crazy how I found out about this, Rachel. I was literally texting Serena because I saw that they both did their prenuvo scans, and I was like, oh, can you give me the contact for who you, like, reached out to? And as I texted her that text, I opened Instagram and I saw Joe's post, and I was like, you're kidding. Like, I don't know. Like, I just couldn't believe it. And it's one of those things where I feel like. I hate to say it, but, like, we live in a society where healthcare is just always so tricky. But it's also one of those things where you don't feel like it could happen until it happens to you type situation. And I was like, this is so, like, it was just so sad. So sad, so odd, like, least expecting it from him. I mean, Joe is a very healthy guy, and I know that, you know, it could happen in any capacity or any form, but I just was not expecting it, like, at all.
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Rachel
No, like you said, this is something like, similarly to when we had the news about Katie Thurston's diagnosis when it happens in our bachelor family, but when it happens to people so young. Thank God that they were able to get this mri, this full body mri, too, because like you said, healthcare is so tricky, and this is something that a lot of people don't have access to, but thank God that they were able to catch it. And I believe he's getting a craniotomy. So hopefully that surgery goes very smoothly, and we hope for nothing but amazing outcomes and a healthy recovery for Joe. And we're thinking about Serena as well, because it is crazy.
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Charity
It's a lot to carry. So I'm like, I am. I am glad that they caught it earlier. That's, like, the saving grace and all of this. And obviously, we're keeping him in our thoughts and prayers. But, yeah, I mean, it is. It's just fascinating. And when you really think about, like, the fact that he caught this from a brand deal, which is crazy. I just wish this was, like, accessible to everybody, because even then I'm like, it is expensive. Like, it's very expensive. Me and Dalton are actually going to go get one just for the sake of it. We were like, okay, like, why not? But, like, when you tally the cost, like, your annual physical doesn't cover, like, MRIs to this degree where you're getting all these scans, that's, like, showing so much. And when you really think about it, that. That also, over time, health insurance doesn't cover all of that. So you're probably going to pay probably more if you were to go through, like, health insurance or your typical annual physical route versus, like, going in and getting this scan done or these scans done. So that, to me, is, like, my encouragement to just anyone who is listening. I understand, like, again, very expensive, but if it's going to hopefully detect something very early or give you just peace of mind about your health, I definitely think that it's worth it. That's why me and Daughton are gonna go do it and get it done. But, yeah, I mean, we are thinking of you, Joe. We love you, and hopefully all this will be over before you know it. Yeah.
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Rachel
It's so hard to, like.
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Charity
I'm like, how do you transition from that?
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Rachel
It is so crazy because you just genuinely never think that things like this could happen to you. I know. I am always, like, I feel so invincible. But moments like these, like, I know that Joe has, like, such an incredible, like, support system around him and Serena. So, yes, like, nothing but our thoughts with Joe.
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Charity
Yeah.
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Rachel
Moving on. I don't know. How do we move on from this?
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Charity
Moving on?
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Rachel
I know, like, genuinely.
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Charity
Am I on the end of episode? No. Yeah. No, truly, we do have other exciting news. This is a Little bit more on the happier side. Joey is making a debut. Come on now. I was like, wait a minute. I knew, but, like, I didn't know, like, to what capacity. I just knew he was filming something.
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Rachel
When did you know?
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Charity
I knew like, a while back. Like, I want to say maybe a few months back. Someone mentioned and I was like, oh, that's exciting. But they didn't tell me to. Again, what degree. But a new holiday rom com. I'm like, who's more perfect for that? I think it's Joey, right?
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Rachel
Literally, so perfect. I think Justin Glaze is going to be in a.
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Charity
He's also doing. Yeah.
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Rachel
With Whitney as well. I love the Bachelor Nation to Hallmark pipeline. I do have to say Kelsey Anderson is stronger than the US Troops. Having to really watch Joey kiss another woman. I know she's going to be so funny about it. I'm looking forward to her reactions already, but this will be good to watch. I'm really excited.
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Charity
No, it's going to be really good. I'm very curious to see his acting, obviously. I think we got, like, a sneak peek when he was. It was. He did a cameo for the 911 episode, like, during his season of the Bachelor. And I was like, okay, that was like 30 seconds. But it was, like, decent. So I'm curious to see how he does. Yeah.
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Rachel
In our next Bachelor Nation headline, Jason Tardick pops the question to girlfriend Katherine Hurley, saying they are right where they belong. Congratulations to Jason.
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Charity
Congratulations are in order. Truly, I am very excited for him. I am. I do not think. No, that's crazy.
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Rachel
How long have they been. Well, I've just. How long have they been together?
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Charity
Has it been a year? It's definitely not. I don't think it has been a year. I think it. That's why I said I am shocked that it happened this quick. Like, I'm happy. I knew, like, their relationship was, you know, going on the right track. Um, I just did not expect it to happen this fast. But, hey, when you know, you know, and it seemed like there was some rumblings in the news that this potentially could happen. But, yeah, I mean, it's very interesting because I know, like, Jason gets a lot of heat for dating very specific influencers. He 100% has a.
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Rachel
Has a type.
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Charity
Hello, brown hair, he loves brunette, and he loves a capital K. So I find that very interesting. But again, I'm not here to rain on anyone's parade. Um, I'm excited. I'm excited for them. It's going to be, obviously, I feel like another Anticipated. Would you consider this a Bachelor Nation wedding? I guess. Because Jason, maybe not.
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Rachel
But, hey, all I know is that there'll definitely be a lot of content around the wedding, and I cannot wait to watch. Um, yeah. Yeah. No. Congratulations. I am, like, anytime anyone gets engaged, I love it. Very excited for their future. Speaking of Bachelor Nation weddings, Kelsey Weir ties the knot with her basketball fiance, period. Adding another wag to the Bachelor Nation alumni list. Present was Kelly Flanagan, Victoria Fuller, and more. Amazing. Anytime someone gets married, I'm like, there's hope for me.
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Charity
I loved the pictures.
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Charity
There is hope.
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Rachel
Everyone looks.
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Charity
Hope is alive. No. Do you think she had champagne at her wedding?
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Rachel
That is such a good question. She better have had champagne.
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Charity
Imagine that. She was so, like, traumatized from that that she was like, no champagne.
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Rachel
No champagne. Chase Rice performed at the reception. The reception.
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Charity
La Van is Jace Rice. No, I. She looked gorgeous. I think the first photo that I saw of her wedding was through Victoria. So I do want to pose a question. What are your thoughts on people posting photos before the bride and groom?
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Rachel
I say no. I say no live posting for the
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Charity
wedding unless there's, like, you know, there's verbal confirmation that you can do, so. But y' all will not be posting before I had the opportunity to. I don't. I don't know. I think that's very interesting. I'm just like. I don't especially. I'm like, you know, it's. I want the professional photos to be out there. It needs to be done in an orderly fashion. So when like a friend or a guest post before the bride and groom, I'm always like, a little side eye,
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Rachel
but like I said, gorgeous at your wedding.
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Charity
Oh, I will.
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Rachel
Is it going to be no phones during ceremony or no phones till we're dancing, like, in the reception?
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Charity
No phones during the ceremony. Unplugged. And I also, like. I. Yeah. Optic wise, like, you will not be leaning out from your aisle taking photos. It's crazy. So none of that. You will be able to have, like, obviously your phone to document your personal memories.
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Rachel
Charity takes the phone away at entrance. Hello.
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Charity
No, after. After you see my pose, then you are free to go. You can post yourself. Post your fit in a mirror selfie. Do that. But I won't be in the picture.
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Rachel
I love that. I agree 100%. I cannot wait to see more pictures, though, because she was just such a stunning bride.
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Charity
She was. Okay. Should we shift into the pop culture? Because there's some heavy, heavy topics.
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Rachel
Charity, all I could think about was talking about this topic and how are going to talk about it without getting a cease and desist?
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Charity
You know what? I think we just go. You know, I think we just give, like, real life experiences. One thing that you can't silence me on is a real life experience. I experienced it. I lived it, you know, and whether you agree with it or not, that's okay. Everyone has theirs. Two sides to every story. So here we go. Let's get into. Did take me by surprise. Like, I was surprised to genuinely see the headline because I was like, this isn't just like rumblings. This isn't just like he said, she said. This is on the front face of tmz. And not only is it on their front face, it's a very intimate photo. Like, it's very intimate. I'm so sorry.
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Rachel
So what we're talking about, for those who are not as online as I am, TMZ released pictures of Jax Taylor and his publicist, Lori Krebs, who is also Brittany Cartwright's publicist, now former. And Charity and I's former publicist. So Charity and I, we have a lot to say about this, I guess. Let's start with the pictures.
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Charity
Yeah, let's start there.
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Rachel
What I think is interesting is that Lori is a publicist. Lori sees and knows what is going to hit a headline before it's out. She knows people at these publications. She knows tmz. She knows Page Six. She knows people. Interesting that these pictures came out and that they were as, I don't know, posed, well done, as they were. Some of them were pretty interesting. It seemed as if the camera was up against the glass and they knew it was being taken from the photo. Allegedly.
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Charity
Correct. I'm trying to understand who took the photo, who sent the photo. I want to know all of the details because I am just not understanding, especially in, like, I think this resort is known.
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Rachel
So what I know of this hotel is that when people with a following go to this hotel, there is a large chance they will be photographed. Lori, who is a publicist, and Jax, who is an influencer, a reality TV star, they knew this. They had to have known this going
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Charity
into this resort, which makes it all the more interesting. So the photo that hits TMZ is Lori and Jax. And they're in the pool, I'm assuming, waiting. It's like the. What is it called? The waterfall pool.
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Rachel
Like the infinity pool.
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Charity
Infinity pool. Jesus. Okay. And it seems as if they're embracing. I can't physically see, like, hands, but, like, it's giving. Lori's probably holding him. His arm doesn't look quite around her. Nonetheless, there's not enough space for Jesus. So I. It's just interesting because I'm like, as we all have understood, their relationship to be was just from a client publicist standpoint, and now this is without a doubt, signaling something more.
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Rachel
And I think we would be remiss to not speak about the fact that this is the second time this has been a public rumor. I guess now, could you call it a rumor? There's physical evidence, but there was headlines that came out about. What was it, three years ago?
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Charity
Yeah, maybe like two years. Two. Two years ago. Yeah, something like that.
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Rachel
I think it was right when Jax and Britney had separated, and it was that they were hooking up in a public bathroom when this came out.
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Charity
Mercy.
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Rachel
I was still under the Lori Kay management, and I believe Charity, you were as well.
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Charity
Mm.
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Rachel
And when I saw this news, I knew immediately that as someone who I would call Brittany a friend, I can't be managed by someone who would do this. On top of the fact that your job is to manage me, to make sure that I am presenting okay. To the public and you are putting yourself even in a situation where that could be assumed.
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Charity
It's just. It's just not professional. I'm sorry.
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Rachel
It's not professional. And it is the highest level of betrayal to Britney because Lori and Brittany are friends and they work very closely with each other every single day. Lori watched Britney go through this separation. She watched her struggle to, I guess, be a single mom to Cruise. She knows what Britney went through. And this is the second time that she's even allowed this to. To be a public topic of conversation, regardless if it's true or not. How could you do this to Brittany? Is the main question.
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Charity
No. And there's not going to be an answer that will justify that. I'm just curious. And, like, I also have to think of, like, the alternative or the possible alternative of, like, is there a world like, there. There cannot be a world where Britney's, like, in on this, you know, like, where she's aware that there's no way. Like, there's no way, like, this is all a Jackson Lori thing or all completely Lori thing on her own. Like, there's no way that she's like, okay, I'm gonna put this story out ahead of time just to, like, get, like, is there. Do you get what I'm saying? Like, is the theory that, like, oh, maybe this is, like, to get, you know, a storyline for the upcoming season or let's get Jax back on this show. Like, where do we think? Because I'm like, to me, that's what I'm saying. It doesn't make sense. Like, I mean, my man, like, that
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Rachel
there is a world in which this is a publicity stunt because she just ruined her career. In my opinion of that, you will never have a client's trust again.
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Charity
Yeah.
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Rachel
Britney was her closest, biggest client, and that betrayal is beyond. I don't care if they're both single.
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Charity
Yeah.
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Rachel
If this was a way to get Jax back on the Valley. At what cost? Other than she also wants to be on the Valley because she no longer, in my opinion, can represent clients after this came out.
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Charity
Exactly. But then I'm like, it also, like, why do you want to enter your potential if that is the case where she's going on the. Like, you're. You're coming in as a villain. You're coming in, like, very disliked. You. Your name is now holds the same weight as Jax, and that ain't good.
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Rachel
You don't think that's what it is, do you? Like, I. That's the only thing.
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Charity
Like, it actually can't be. But I'm like, I am thinking of the possibility because I'm like, it's so hard for me to believe that this is like, just. Oh, I'm just doing this because, like, you know, like, she. Whether or not she's in love with him or whatever relationship has blossomed, I still can't believe that she would do such a thing to Britney. But I'm like, that's the only way that I'm like, it makes sense of like, oh, okay. You're doing this because you want to possibly get on the show or get Jax back on the show. But I'm like, at what cost? Like, at what cost?
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Charity
Oh, that's easy. A girls trip. No hesitation.
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Charity
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Rachel
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Rachel
And I wanted to ask you to what you think. So, we heard, allegedly, that Britney dropped Lori after this was dropped to the public. Do we think that this was done by Lori? Do you think she did this to lay claim to Jackson? Be like, we're in a relationship, or do you think it really was an accident?
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Charity
I don't know. Like, I really don't know because I'm like, there's a part of me that's like, yes. But then there's a part of me that's like, why would she like you? Why would she sacrifice her entire career for that? Like, why? That part is a big, giant question mark and a mystery to me. So there's a world where literally
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Rachel
it
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Charity
could, like, it could be. But I think that's, you know, like, I really want to, like, hear from Britney. And that's why we need to have her on this podcast, like, immediately to just get her, like, side and take of things. But I don't know. It just. It. I can't wrap my head around it because I'm like, I could never and I would never. But I forget, like, everyone's not me, and everyone doesn't think the way that I think, and everyone doesn't handle problems the way that I would handle them. So I just think things definitely just got maybe too blurred. Like, the lines definitely got Too blurred. And again, with what we, like, allegedly know about that specific resort, it's hard for me to think that, like, she wouldn't go in thinking to be more careful. It's like you're at an infinity pool. Unless there's an umbrella and a covering, somebody going to see it. Hello. So I don't know, like, be safe or don't do it at all. Like, I don't know. Yeah, it's a very careless mistake.
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Rachel
No, genuinely. And I just don't see someone who is aware of things like that, whose job is to be aware of paparazzi and publicity, to make those kind of mistakes twice.
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Charity
Yeah, yeah. It's. That's. That's the part that I'm like, okay. That's why I feel like I'm leaning more towards maybe she just did know and just was like, whatever. Because I'm like, this isn't the first time that we heard potentially of something. Obviously, nothing has been specifically verified by either party. So I don't know.
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Rachel
There has been a lot of Bachelor talent that has been repped by Lori. What was your experience like in your Lori era?
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Charity
Yeah, I mean, my Lori era was very brief, but, like, it was long enough, I should say. And I want to say it was brief just because I worked with her immediately coming off of Bachelorette. I was with her during my time on Dancing with the Stars, and then shortly thereafter, once I moved to New York. And so that, obviously it was long, but everything in my brain, like, kind of, like, happened very quickly. And, you know, starting off Lori was, like, very great. Like, it was a great overall experience. But then shortly after Dancing with the Stars, or even while I was there during Dancing with the Stars, I started to, like, just sense just how, like, the network of public relations goes and working with, like, other Bachelor people. And, like, again, this is my specific experience. But I do think that there's this thing where it's very easy when you get into this space in this industry to, like, compare yourself amongst other. Whether it's within Bachelor Nation or other reality TV stars or other influencers. Like, it's very easy to, like, kind of get into that train of thought or thinking. And that definitely happened for me because I was like, oh, well, I'm doing this, and I'm coming off, like, I'm, you know, at the peak of, you know, Bachelorette post, Dancing with the Stars, like, this is a great, like, time for me. Why isn't xyz, like, happening? And I think that was, like, very hard for me to digest. But personally, what hurt me, I think the most was, like, I started to pick up on playing favorites and, like, favoritism, and I don't, like. I just don't do that. Like, I certainly don't do that. So that was, like, my first, like, thing where I was like, okay, like, where. Where do I fall in all of this? And if your person who's on your side and your team isn't on the same page as you, like, you're on your own. And that's kind of what I started to sense and feel. So, yeah, I think that was, like, my overall experience. Obviously Dalton also, and I don't want to speak for him, but, like, he was also signed with her. Like, collectively, we were signed as a unit, and so it just was a very interesting experience. And. And I think that continued to unfold and show its head a lot more. And then when I first heard about the rumblings of potentially there being some murky waters with Jax, I was like, I don't. No way. This can't be true. I was like, this doesn't seem like this would be something Lori would do. I would hope not, at least. So that was really when I was like, yeah, I don't like what I'm sensing. I don't like what I'm seeing.
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Charity
And I also just didn't like how things were just being done. So for me, it was just, like, the best thing from my career. But, like, at the end of the day, like, I left in good graces as always. Like, I always want to think highly of people and, like, thank them for their time and, you know, their support in getting certain things off the ground for me. So, like, to that I can thank Lori for. But, yeah, over time, I just think so certain things, like professionalism, certain things like really understanding your clients and knowing who they are individually, not as, like, a giant roster, was very important to me, and those things just were not getting met. So, yeah, that's my experience, which I know we all have very different ones. So. Rachel, tap in.
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Rachel
I will say for me as well. I started working with Lori after my Bachelorette season, and I didn't really look around for management or publicist or anything like that, because for me, the Bachelorette was the end kind of of this reality career for me. I was kind of done. I was going through a lot in my finale, and Lori really helped me, I would say, navigate publicity in a way. Post my finale, I got cheated on. I was going through a rough time, and Lori introduced me to a Lot of people that I to this day consider my friend. She introduced me to Michelle and Brittany, and I really loved that she brought us all together. That being said, I will agree with you where it was very obvious to me and I think to all of her clients who the favorites were and fair, you know, we all have different experiences, different times on the show. All that to say you do kind of start to get in your head a little. And I think for me, it started to feel like it was constantly like, okay, what's the next thing? Who's the next person who? And I was like, oh, my gosh. Okay. I didn't realize how quickly this turned over. And for me, before the scandal happened, which the scandal really was the reason I left and Brittany saw it, there was a level of stress working with her that I haven't experienced with other management. And I've talked to other women, other girls from this franchise that have experienced something similar, but I would get so worked up and stressed out over small things with her. I remember being on an island in Malaysia and I wasn't able to connect my Facebook to something, and it was like, the end of the world, which I have not experienced since. A level of stress that I'm very happy that I don't have anymore. However, like you said, it really did start kind of my trajectory. She introduced me to Blake, who is my friend to this day, to a lot of people I would consider friends. So it is difficult because like you said, there are positives.
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Charity
Yeah.
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Rachel
But there are negatives. And I think at the end of the day, you just can't be hooking up in public bathrooms. You cannot be allegedly hooking up in public bathrooms.
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Charity
Yeah, I'm like, at the end of the day, I don't even know if that's true or not, but the fact that I have to potentially hear about it and it's like, just as much as, like, how I conduct myself reflects on whoever is repping me, it's vice versa. It's a two way street. So I'm like, whatever. However you're managing and living your life, that indirectly affects me. It's like, I'm associated with you. I'm on your roster. So people be like, oh, like charity really stands for that? Or charity wants to be like, no, I don't. So it's just.
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Charity
I don't think that at the end of the day, it was creating. Right. No, that's such an environment for.
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Rachel
Yeah, it really. Who represents you says a lot.
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Charity
Yeah.
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Rachel
And immediately, as soon as this second scandal Broke. I was seeing TikToks where me and you were being, like, being mentioned. You are a part of this. All of a sudden, I sent this to her, and I was like, why? Are we included in this?
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Charity
No. And, like, I literally had to go in there, and I was just. You know me, I have no time to make relationships.
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Rachel
Just comment.
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Charity
I need to go. Because I'm like, of all. And that's what I mean. Of all the people that she has rep repped in Bachelor Nation, they chose the photo of me and Dot. And I'm like, we were there for, like, seven months. Why not the picture with Hannah G? I don't know. I'm just like, crazy photo selection, but go off. I'm here. You. Right? She did rep me. So what else. What else is going on? Like, I had to leave it. Leave it at that. But I was like, this is insane. So it's like, now my photo and my face is circulating like, you really dug that photo because that was a photo where you were at the dinner. I think you were. I was there. We went to Craig's in la. And I'm like, that photo was so long ago. And I'm like, you guys dug this one up out the archives.
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Rachel
I'm like, where was that? I don't have that photo.
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Charity
I like. That's what I'm saying. I'm like, it's not on this one. Hello. So I'm like, where did that photo come from? But anyway, it's just too much.
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Rachel
It's too much. And at the end of the day, I am looking forward to Brittany telling her side. Looking forward to hopefully getting Brittany on the podcast. We have had so many experiences with her. I. Yeah, I'm just thinking about her and Cruz, and her statement has just been that she's focusing on her family at the moment, which I. I agree with. And at the end of the day, this is just betrayal beyond what anyone has experienced with her. And it's, like, really hard to wrap my mind around, especially because we feel like we're a little bit involved. But, yeah, we will let you guys know as things unfold.
- [37:32]
Charity
Stay tuned. Happy hour. Just a tad bit. And I do. I want to. I want to give the disclaimer as if we have not already given it enough. We had great experiences, but there was just reasons and things that I think me and Rachel both saw and probably. I can't speak for the other people in Bachelor Nation who was repped by her, but eventually probably just came to the realization that at some point in Everybody's career. You have to move on and do what's best for you. So that's exactly what I did personally. That's exactly what Rachel did. So in all parties involved in all of this, I do wish everybody the best. Like I really do, especially Britney. So there's that. Okay, wish you well.
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Rachel
Woo hoo. Moving on to other controversial topics. Speaking of controversial, breaking pop culture news announced last week. Nickelandria have split charity thoughts.
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Charity
Crazy.
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Rachel
Yeah, I'm scared to touch this a little bit.
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Charity
A little bit. But like it is, it's very interesting. Like I am sad in the sense that I'm like they were such a dynamic pop culture couple. Like we both saw their journeys together and for the most part individually from Love island. Therefore after. And like I'm the biggest oleandria fan. Like truly, she is like a blueprint. She has truly done such a remarkable thing for herself and what she's created and what she's been able to do. So like honestly it's, I haven't seen it in my time of being in the reality TV space. Anyone really having that trajectory after a show. So with that being said, obviously very happy for her successes. But with that comes obviously her relationship. She is associated with the relationship that she left Love island with, which was Nick and Yeah, I mean I think it's interesting because from what I have seen on the Internet about you know, people's take on it is that it's kind of 50, 50. Like I don't think people are taking sides quite yet. And I, you know, I also just hate when people take sides until we hear from like Nick and Alandria, like whether that's separately together, whatever. It's like it's not up for us to like kind of take sides I don't think. But it's just, I don't know, it's, it's interesting because I feel like they were protecting what was their relationship and they were very private. So I think the fact that a lot of people commented that they were not surprised that they broke up or there was a lot of comments about, oh, their contract exposure inspired or you know, it's a lot of that talk going on, which to me I'm like what is true? What's not true? But I personally, I personally am like if it's for the better, it's for the better. Like, you know what I mean? I'm rooting for both of their successes. Alandra is the baddest of the baddies. So I think, think she's going to be Fine. I think she's going to be just fine.
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Rachel
You know, I have to say, I will never forget where I was when Nick pulled up in the minivan on Love island and said, alandra, get in. I was so team.
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Charity
No, Alandria said, get in. Knit was Alandria. Alandria pulled up with the van.
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Rachel
In the van when that moment happened. Oh. I don't think I've ever been so excited. Like, reality TV has never been the same since that moment. However, I want to ask you, because you're in a public relationship and you guys met publicly, do you think it's fair for people who go on a dating show to leave in a couple and then completely close off the relationship after and be completely private?
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Charity
You know, at the end of the day, to each their own. You can do whatever the hell you want to do, truly. But with me, I do think that it is. You have to find this perfect balance. There is no perfect balance. It's very. It's very hard. And that's why I do think that fans should give reality TV personality stars, whatever, grace in that, because it can become so parasocial that you want to know the. The ins and outs. Like, when did you wake up? What toothpaste flavor did you bring? Like, that's insane. You know what I mean? It's like, relax. So that part of it. It can become overwhelming. And it's like, I don't owe y' all anything. But in a way, it's like, well, the only reason why these people are asking in the first place is because they got invested on a show that they. They watch, and now they want to see what continues of our relationship, and how does that blossom? So I do think that, yes, like, at the end of the day, no one is owed anything, truly, but it makes sense why people would want to know. So I do think that there is this thin line that you have to find, like, a good balance of, okay, I'm gonna give you guys just this, or I'm gonna give you guys enough of this. But not completely. Like, seal the door. But at the end of the day, you can do whatever you want to. It's your life, truly.
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Charity
That's my take.
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Rachel
I agree. I think Alandria, like you said, has just been on a trajectory we have not seen ever. Like, I'm trying to think of something similar. I think there are nothing but green pastures ahead for Alandria sister. I don't know Nick from Alandria. I'm curious what happens with Nick post breakup.
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Charity
I mean, I'M I. I will say. And again, because their fan base is very invested, it's going to be very crucial how. Probably more so Nick than Alandria, how they maneuver and move after this breakup. So. And men, I'm like, baby boy needs to stay at the clubs for a few months. He don't need to be doing nothing. Like, he just needs to do a little Ricky Rick and let it. Let it be that, like, nothing more.
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Rachel
Yeah, Nick better walk into the club, head down, walk out head down. Speak to no one.
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Charity
No, literally, because eyes will be on. Eyes will be on him. And hey, like, what can you. What can you do with that? The fans are going to want to see what's next, what's going on. And, yeah, they both established two separate brands as individuals now, so it's, like, very different. I don't know if, like, I'm sure at some point they would cross spaces and be, like, seen together in similar events or whatever, but, like, grand scheme of it, like, next thing now, I think is like, music and DJing. And then Alandra is doing it all. Literally, she's doing it all. So. Yeah, I don't know. I think I'm gonna say a prayer for Nick.
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Rachel
She'll be popping out with Michael B. Jordan.
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Charity
No, I'm like, sister will be fine. Like I said, she will be so good. It's okay. I'm, like, not concerned.
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Rachel
Not at all. But sad to see a reality couple go.
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Charity
I'm like, is that. I think that's everybody from their season. Right. Who is still together. That's actually crazy because she's the only. No, Shelly's not with Ace. Oh, Huda wasn't with anybody.
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Rachel
Yeah.
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Charity
Mercy. I think it's just. Wait, Taylor and Clark, are they still together?
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Rachel
I think they are.
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Charity
Okay, then they really did pick Clark. Are they the last one?
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Rachel
Oh, Iris and tj. I don't know.
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Charity
Yeah. I don't really respect. I mean, like, love. Love everybody. I love love, but I don't really keep up with them that much. Our producer just chimed in and let us know that Taylor. There's a rumor that he allegedly cheated on Clark, which I did not know. That's news to me on this hour. I don't have words because I'm like, am I shocked? Am I surprised? Yes. We don't know if this is true or not. I hope it's not, because, I mean, really, I was really rooting for Taylor, one of the. One of the good guys.
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Rachel
I don't root for any men. Just that on record, I'M rooting for Clark and I'm rooting for Landria. Therehere we go.
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Charity
Season seven. I think that's enough.
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Rachel
Yeah, let's in peace please let us be.
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Charity
Let's hang it up.
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Charity
Okay, pop culture did a number. I'm like, like literally releasing sighs. No, literally, I'm like, scared. No, it's. It's a lot. It's a lot to digest, a lot to like, sort through. But we will stay tuned with it all and see where this all goes. But speaking of staying tuned and seeing where everything goes, I'm tired of Social media, are you? I don't know. I think I am. I'm tired of social media, specifically Instagram and all their new updates. There is a new update. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Rachel
Go ahead, Rachel, if you want to know your thoughts.
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Charity
I'm just. It's one thing after the other and all I want them to do is fix the. Sorry, here I am, I'm cursing. I want them to fix the algorithm, I want them to fix the things that like, needs to be fixed, not add all these new subscriptions. And I do think that it's going to affect, affect negatively. Like, I don't know how that's going to be like, great. I don't, I don't think it's like a great addition. And I don't know how like, it's useful. I can see it being very useful for very high end creators, you know, but I mean, and in this economy, another paid subscription, like, be so for real, like, I'm not paying for anything. I don't care enough.
- [52:12]
Rachel
Yeah. I will say I don't understand why they can't just go back to everything being chronological as well as the people you follow. Because I genuinely will see posts and I like them. And it is from the beginning of this month that I've never seen.
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Charity
It's actually really sad because I'm like, I have to go and look at people from like, my hometown or people with like, way less followings. I have to search people's names to find what they've been up to. And I hate that because I'm like, that was never the case before. It really wasn't. And I see. And there's nothing wrong with seeing the same people. Like, I understand how it works that way, but it's just not fleshing out new content for me or flushing out my inner circle anymore. It's like, it doesn't make sense. And it makes me so sad because I'm like, this isn't. This is not fun to get on and log on. I'm like, okay. And then I see a post like you said a month ago, and I'm like, oh, I missed this. Whoopsies. Yeah. Hey, congratulations on the engagement. Didn't see it. Like, what actually?
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Rachel
And I know people on TikTok all the time are saying how sick they are of Instagram, but I personally love Instagram. I love taking a fun photo and posting a video and seeing what my friends are doing. Because TikTok is mostly strangers, which I love. Yeah, the variety on TikTok. But Instagram stays my Only social media app with people. And I think the only feature I saw that I actually love is in the new feature. You can search people's names for who watched your story.
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Charity
Oh, well, that's good for us. I do. Because I'm like, you know, you can't. Yeah, yeah. Well, I do like that, but I'm like, I don't really look. I'm like, more so for you. For a hot little crush.
- [53:59]
Rachel
I was going to say for single women. You guys need to understand, I've been telling my friends this. I can't see who likes because it goes so fast. And then I can't see who liked my. Like, this would be a game changer not only to see if my crush liked my Instagram story, if he threw a. Like. Like, how am I supposed to know these things if not this feature? Should I get it and test it out and let you guys know?
- [54:26]
Charity
I think so. Test it out for. For me, because I won't be doing it.
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Rachel
That's huge for the single girls included a long time ago.
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Charity
It's huge for the single girls and it's probably gonna be huge for girls who aren't single either. See, let's see what. Let's see what's really going on behind the scenes. You know what I mean? It's like Snapchat or, like, shows, like, who your number one, like, Snapchat or user friend was. Oh, the misery that came with that.
- [54:57]
Rachel
Is there any high, like, for the new update? Is there anything about, like, who you view the most or anything like that?
- [55:06]
Charity
No, I don't think so. But. Okay, I'm like. I'm essentially just imagining. I'm like, this is like. It's giving that trajectory of, like, if. If things go well, it's headed that way. Which I'm like, honestly, those were the OG days. Nobody, charity, nobody would say.
- [55:23]
Rachel
Do you remember the Instagram days where you could click that little button and it would show you who is liking whose photo and who followed who? That insane.
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Charity
That actually wasn't that long ago. That actually. That was like, literally three years ago.
- [55:40]
Rachel
Why did they ever take that away?
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Charity
I don't know.
- [55:46]
Rachel
The tea I would discover on that kind of crazy page.
- [55:51]
Charity
Yeah, but I'm like, this is. See, OG social media, which I'm like, the Gen Z, Gen Alpha, whatever. They aren't. They don't understand. But this is what prepared really millennials and us like, to really be like, the head of the CIA. Like, I could sit down for an interview and I'm gonna tell you I'm gonna find out something very quick. Like, it's like, it's really a superpower, and I don't just reserve it for myself. It's a woman thing. It's like, if you've been through something in your life and you was on social media in the golden days, the OG days, you learned a thing or two, and if you didn't, shame on you. But, like, I learned everything I need to know to be in charge of the CIA. If I ever need to be.
- [56:38]
Rachel
Genuinely, I could scroll through a guy's following and I could tell the girl that he was cheating with. Like, it would just almost start glowing. I've lost that ability.
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Charity
Is it not? God, the universe? Like, come on.
- [56:54]
Rachel
I really think Instagram+ could bring me back the ability. I. I actually might try it, you guys. I think I can discover things that I've been searching for for a long time.
- [57:07]
Charity
And, Rachel, please keep us updated, because I'm gonna live through you.
- [57:12]
Rachel
I will do it for all the single girls out there. Yes. Yes.
- [57:17]
Charity
Okay, we're gonna do one more topic before we transition to our little game. Is the Hugo Spritz, the new Aperol Spritz? Yes.
- [57:27]
Rachel
Really?
- [57:28]
Charity
I prefer Hugo Spritz over Napa Roll.
- [57:31]
Rachel
What is the New York drink right now?
- [57:34]
Charity
The New York drink, I'm like, everyone's drinking, like, tea.
- [57:39]
Rachel
Everyone's drinking.
- [57:40]
Charity
It's always something with tequila. Tequila. It's like, basic. I'm. I don't drink that. So, like, when I go out, I either get something very, like, refreshing, like a Hugo Spritz, or I'm on the Margarita wave. Like, it's very one or the other, like, you know, But I do. I have seen both of these out a lot. Aperol and Hugo Spritz. But I. Ever since going to Europe, I have made it a thing that I'm like, they just don't taste the same here. I don't know. Am I. Am I making that up?
- [58:11]
Rachel
An Aperol Spritz in another country transcends my spirit in a way I can't explain. I will say, though, I feel like in la, we're still very much on the dirty martini and the espresso martini.
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Charity
Okay.
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Rachel
I have something very controversial to say.
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Charity
Is that a daytime drink? Y' all are doing those in the daytime? Oh, mercy.
- [58:36]
Rachel
I'm kind of ready for the espresso. I'm kind of ready for a new espresso martini.
- [58:40]
Charity
Yeah, I, I, I don't do those that often anymore.
- [58:44]
Rachel
I know that there are a lot of people who ride for the espresso martini. But I'm personally sick of it, and I think we need something. I'm trying to put Justin Glaze out of a job right now, but I really feel like we could move on to a new martini. I'm ready for the new creation.
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Charity
I agree. Yeah. But I am a Hugo Spritz girl. It just again, an Aperol Spritz doesn't taste the same to me in America as it does in Europe. Like, if you put me on a patio in Paris, I'm ordering like 17 Aperol spritz.
- [59:13]
Rachel
But.
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Charity
But here, I don't know. They don't. They don't hit the same. So it's neither here nor there. But I do prefer Hugo Spritz. And perhaps it is a new one for America. I can say that we're just following
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Rachel
the trends, honestly, at this point. Okay, let's transition after these heavy topics into a game. We are going to play a game where we have three options and we have to decide which one we are going to get rid of forever. So let's start.
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Charity
Okay.
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Rachel
Pizza, burgers, or tacos? Which one are you killing forever?
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Charity
Oh, my God.
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Rachel
It's a hard one.
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Charity
Oh, my God. This is crazy. Tacos.
- [59:56]
Rachel
Really? But there's so many varieties.
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Charity
I know, but I'm like, I cannot get rid of pizza. I really can't. I'm only saying burger because I'm like, I had the best burger. What I feel like is the best burger in New York City. And I'm like, just imagining if that was gone out of my life. I don't know if I could live.
- [60:15]
Rachel
So you're killing. You're killing the tacos. I'm going to kill the burger because I feel like with pizza and tacos, it doesn't matter what your dietary restrictions are. Everyone can be happy. And I just. I love a taco.
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Charity
Look at you thinking of everyone.
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Rachel
I'm a caring person. Think about everybody. Okay. I love that. Country music, pop music or hip hop?
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Charity
Bye bye. Country music.
- [60:43]
Rachel
Yeah. I would have to say country. Country as well. Sorry. I do love a good country concert.
- [60:50]
Charity
I agree. I agree.
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Rachel
Okay.
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Charity
Reality tv, Rom coms or true crime?
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Charity
Rom com.
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Rachel
I would say rom com too. I can't give up reality tv. And I love.
- [61:03]
Charity
I certainly can't give up true crime. That's like how I like relax, which is crazy.
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Rachel
Do you have a hyper fixation true crime case?
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Charity
I mean, the one that's. What's the. The kids that were the. The college students that Were murdered.
- [61:19]
Rachel
Oh that.
- [61:19]
Charity
I don't understand them.
- [61:21]
Rachel
What is it five?
- [61:23]
Charity
Yeah.
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Rachel
Yeah.
- [61:24]
Charity
His name. Is it. Is it Brian?
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Rachel
Brian.
- [61:27]
Charity
Yeah. I don't even want to say his name. I just don't. It's still like a mystery to me. I don't really get it.
- [61:33]
Rachel
Have you heard of the case that's coming out out of Ohio with. It was grandparents and parents and they had 18 children in a 12 by 12 room.
- [61:48]
Charity
That one is going to be. Yes.
- [61:50]
Rachel
Just. I mean, thank gosh. It's actually not true crime but in that realm horrific condition.
- [61:57]
Charity
I think there's. Yeah. I'm not like want to make excuses but I think there's a lot that we're going to learn about specifically the mom because they got married very young and I do think that she was. It was giving that it's giving hands made too. Like she was just.
- [62:13]
Rachel
Yeah, my college was really mean to do that. My college was near that town in Appalachia. And it is so sad to see just the conditions. I mean and it's just. It's insane. So I've been following that one.
- [62:32]
Charity
Okay. Happy hour brunch or girl dinner?
- [62:39]
Rachel
Brunch.
- [62:40]
Charity
Yeah, I'm like by brunch I can jump and it's only because. Yeah, I only. Cause I'm like, I know brunch is like breakfast and lunch, but I'm like a happy hour is so crucial to my life and a girl dinner is beyond. So I love a brunch. But it's okay.
- [62:55]
Rachel
Like I also feel like a brunch always leads into a very crazy night, which I always wish I didn't do.
- [63:03]
Charity
I have so many regrets. After every single brunch I've attended, I'm like, why did I not just stop or go home?
- [63:09]
Rachel
I have never regretted going to girl dinner. Are happier one time.
- [63:13]
Charity
Exactly.
- [63:14]
Rachel
Okay, let's do last one. March Madness. World cup or Super Bowl.
- [63:24]
Charity
Oh, I will March Madness probably. I know that sounds insane or maybe the. The super bowl is honestly starting to get on my nerves.
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Dietz and Watson Sponsor Voice
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- [63:40]
Charity
Just because I'm like. I don't know, it just like it's not hitting as it like it used to. I feel like in the past. But again, March Madness. I'm not like a huge college basketball girl. So like maybe that's why when I was in college obviously it mattered. But like I don't keep up with it as much. But there was something so beautiful about the World cup that I'm like, that stays forever. There was something so unifying about it and just keeping up. Like, I'd never even watched soccer before, but by the end of it, I was like, oh my God, go Spain. Like, you know, it's like, who am I turning into? But I, I think it's just a testament to the sport itself. So World cup is staying Super Bowl. I live for like the halftime performances. So I'm like, perhaps, like, yeah, maybe March Madness is mine.
- [64:24]
Rachel
I agree. I didn't even know the World cup was gonna be here. And it was, it was beautiful to see.
- [64:31]
Charity
That drags me too.
- [64:34]
Rachel
I did it.
- [64:34]
Charity
I had no idea it was even coming to my city. And it's playing at one of the stadiums.
- [64:40]
Rachel
Did you know it was gonna be hosted in America?
- [64:44]
Charity
I did. I did know that. But again, I'm like, I just didn't know a lot about. I don't watch soccer a lot. So that's where I was like, I don't really know the rules and regulations here, but we'll figure it out.
- [64:54]
Rachel
We figured it out.
- [64:55]
Charity
It was a great World Cup. Okay. That was a great episode for us. A lot of chit chat and a lot of chatter, but a lot. We got through some very heavy topics.
- [65:08]
Rachel
Yeah.
- [65:08]
Charity
And not so fun, genuinely.
- [65:11]
Rachel
I love coming on here and talking to you and getting your point of view of everything. We will continue to update you guys with anything new that we find out. But yeah, this, you know, was a heavy episode, was a fun episode. But
- [65:29]
Charity
listen, we got through it. We got through it and that's all that matters.
- [65:34]
Rachel
So, yes, if you're still here, thank you for joining us on Bachelor Happy Hour. You can follow us on Bachelor Happy Hour and Bachelor Nation. Make sure you rate, review, subscribe wherever you listen to your podcast and we will see you next time. Bye, guys.
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Oh, that's easy. A girls trip. No hesitation.
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Charity
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