Christmas Eve Traditions and Holiday Reflections | Golden Hour

Summary

Bachelor Happy Hour – "Christmas Eve Traditions and Holiday Reflections | Golden Hour"

Release Date: December 24, 2025
Hosts: Joe Amabile and Serena Pitt (regular hosts, but this episode is co-hosted by Kathy and Susan)
Episode Theme: Heartfelt holiday reflections, family traditions, memorable Christmas moments, and a lighthearted Q&A revealing personal stories from the hosts’ lives.

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Main Theme & Purpose

This festive "Golden Hour" episode centers on cozy Christmas Eve nostalgia and the meaning behind holiday traditions, as co-hosts Kathy and Susan share personal stories—hilarious, touching, and honest—about past holidays. The episode is sprinkled with laughter, memories, and relatable truths about family, gift-giving, and the lessons gathered with age. The pair also answer a series of personal "get to know us" questions, offering listeners a candid look into their lives beyond Bachelor Nation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Treasured Christmas Eve Traditions

• Kathy reminisces about peaceful church services with her children:

  “When the kids were young, we used to go to like a five o’clock church service... Christmas Eve to me is just a, a really beautiful, peaceful time.” (03:38)

• Susan describes gifting her kids matching pajamas on Christmas Eve, a tradition she misses now that her children are grown.

  “I liked giving the kids all one present on Christmas Eve and it was all matching pajamas.” (04:12)

2. Holiday Surprises & Standout Memories

• Disney World Reveal:
  Kathy fondly recalls a classic “big gift” moment when the family surprised her children with a Disney World trip on Christmas morning, emphasizing the thrill and magic of the reveal:

  “They started crying and screaming... I could cry again thinking about it. I’d get goosebumps.” (06:44)

• Treasure Hunt Gifts:
  Susan shares her creative scavenger hunt tradition:

  “I would have them run all over the house... after about the fifth one, they go, ‘Mom, seriously?’” (07:42)

3. Food Traditions and Family Dynamics

• Discussing traditional meals, Susan talks about the “Seven Fishes” and a family tradition of hibachi dinners on Christmas Eve—even joining her ex-husband, children, and grandchildren.

  “They always wanted to go to the hibachi... For years, that is tradition. And Susan’s going this year.” (08:34)

4. Childhood Holiday Memories

• Both hosts reflect on the differences between the magic of being a child during the holidays, versus the magic of watching your own children.
• Kathy describes a snowstorm that allowed her to spend an unexpected Christmas Eve with her dad:

  “We couldn’t... We were walking back in the snow, trudging back to their house, and we were all so excited because we got to spend Christmas with my dad.” (09:58)

5. Mishaps, Missing Gifts, and “Santa” Slip-Ups

• Both share the chaos of assembling and sorting presents late at night, including the accidental mix-up of stocking gifts and even misplacing a major gift for a year.

  Susan: “I lost it. The gold chain, like a real gold chain.”
  Kathy: “You lost it?”
  Susan: “Gone... The following year, I was wrapping gifts... It was there. I found it the next year.” (14:48)

6. Candid Holiday Q&A

The latter half of the episode features a volley of deeply personal and fun questions:

If You Could Revisit One Holiday

• Kathy:

  “I would love to see my children’s faces again when they got those tickets to Disney World.” (22:34)

• Susan:

  “I love all of them... I just still do.” (23:04)

First Holiday with Children

• Susan:

  “Chaos. I remember... And they like the paper and the boxes. It didn’t even matter what was in it.” (24:24)

On Making Naughty or Nice Lists

• Kathy:

  “If a guy is kind to me and... whispers a sweet nothing in my ear, he’s automatically on the nice list.” (26:47)

First Big Purchase

• Susan:

  “My first real job, my whole paycheck—there was a pair of these teal colored wedgie shoes... They were a hundred dollars.” (27:52)

Odd Jobs

• Kathy:

  “I was a cashier at a grocery store... Back in those days... you had to push the...you had to count the change out.” (30:03)

Childhood Moments That Still Make Them Laugh

• Kathy:

  “I was so sensitive to... that loud noise [fireworks]... And now I love fireworks. Like, the louder, the better.” (30:59)

• Susan:

  “I would entertain my parents, my grandpa. When we went to Marnata’s, I would perform.” (31:59)

Most Proudest Moments

• Susan:

  “The second proudest that I felt was when I was able to speak at my father’s funeral.” (32:36)

• Kathy:

  “I finally graduated 13 years after I started, and I walked... I was so proud that I did it.” (33:29)

Lessons Learned with Age

• Kathy:

  “I may not be perfect, but... I’m a good person. I’m the best I can be and not everyone’s gonna love me and that’s okay.” (41:53)

• Susan:

  “I don’t have to be somebody I’m not to please another person. I’m good enough.” (42:28)

Value or Truth Held Throughout Life

• Kathy:

  “I value integrity. I value doing the right thing... You do the right thing for you. You don’t do it so other people see it.” (43:32)

• Susan:

  “For me, it’s being real to people and not telling a lie because you think that’s what they want to hear.” (44:08)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Joy of Christmas Morning:

  “It was always their big gift... and to see their faces was amazing.” – Kathy (05:25)

• On Family Chaos:

  “We’d be up till wee hours of the morning trying to put the things together.” – Susan (11:29)

• On Holiday Mishaps:

  “People have opened gifts, I go, ‘Oh, that’s not for you.’” – Susan (11:51)

• On Honoring Loved Ones:

  “My Nana... I was the first grandchild as a girl... I was very special to her.” – Susan (44:32)

• On Self-Acceptance with Age:

  “I think I spent too much time earlier in my life trying to please other people... Not everyone’s my cup of tea.” – Kathy (41:53)

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Important Timestamps

• Opening Holiday Reflections: 03:26
• Big Christmas Morning Reveal (Disney World): 05:25 – 07:03
• Family Traditions – Hibachi & Seven Fishes: 08:34
• Snowstorm Memory – Bonus Christmas with Dad: 09:07 – 10:22
• Mishaps & Missing Gifts Stories: 13:37 – 15:21
• Holiday Q&A Begins: 22:22
• Candid Reflections on Aging, Love, and Values: 41:41 – 44:22
• Final Thoughts & Holiday Wishes: 48:25 – 49:08

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Tone & Style

The conversation is full of warmth, humor, and seasoned wisdom. Both Susan and Kathy freely poke fun at themselves and each other, and their old friends banter is both lighthearted and honest. Sensitive subjects, such as grief or childhood difficulties, are handled with a gentle, reflective attitude. Throughout, there’s a palpable sense of gratitude for family, friends, and a lifetime of holiday experiences.

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For Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In

This holiday episode serves as both a testament to the enduring magic of Christmas Eve and a candid look at the complexity of growing older, loving deeply, and finding joy even in chaos. The hosts’ stories, ranging from laugh-out-loud mishaps to moments of profound gratitude, evoke nostalgia and invite listeners to reflect on their own traditions and memories. The Q&A segment provides additional depth, drawing out values and lessons that resonate far beyond the holiday season.

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Final Words from the Hosts

• Kathy:

  “That is our Christmas holiday gift to you all, getting to know a little bit more about us.” (48:25)

• Susan:

  “We wish those of you who celebrate Christmas a very, very happy Christmas. And to the rest of the world, happy, happy New Year.” (49:08)

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Transcript

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[Kathy]

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Hi, everyone. Kathy and Susan here. Before we get in today's episode, just a quick psa. If there are any young kids around, maybe grab some headphones. We're going to be talking about some adult things regarding the holidays. All right, let's get into the episode.

[Susan]

Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hours Golden Hour. Thanks so much for joining us today. We are so excited to be back and so excited about the holiday. Kathy, are you ready?

[Kathy]

I mean, if I'm not, I got about eight hours left till, till Santa's coming down the chimney. So, you know, it's really, at this point, I truly am done. And I actually love Christmas Eve. I think I like Christmas Eve better than Christmas Day because when the kids were young, we used to go to like a five o' clock church service with the kids because my kids played piano for the service and they would turn the lights off and light candles and sing. I don't know, Christmas Eve to me is just a, a really beautiful, peaceful time. What about you?

[Susan]

I liked giving the kids all one present on Christmas Eve and it was all matching pajamas. They got one every year. This morning would be fun.

[Kathy]

So did you give them to them this year? Did you give them to this year?

[Susan]

No, because I don't have children living here.

[Kathy]

Oh, so you don't do it for the kids and the grandkids, the whole family thing?

[Susan]

No.

[Kathy]

You're saying for the kids to come down Christmas morning? Yes, we, you know what? We never did Christmas gifts the night before. It was, that was, that was a, you know, you might as well have just unwrapped them under the tree and let you know. But you know, we did do, every year, we, we couldn't wait. So I don't obviously don't have any young kids at home tonight, but I miss that tradition too because when the kids would go to bed, Daryl and I would, we each bought the kids a gift from Santa Claus and that went by. We'd fill their stockings. Oh, God, I hope no young kids are listening to this psa. Turn it off. We'd fill the kids stockings and we would get out the gift.

[Susan]

Each just one gift from Santa.

[Kathy]

It was always their big gift. Like it was a bicycle or, you know, whatever it was that they really wanted, it always came from Santa. And to see that their faces was, was amaz. But I got to tell you the favorite. And then I'm going to ask you your favorite. My favorite memory. Do you know the commercials they do for Disney World? We're. They give it to the kid on Christmas. Have you ever seen it on tv? And the kids. Well, let me tell you what we did. We did it first. I want the credit. We did it before it was on. On Disney World. Whatever. We. One year, I think my oldest son was nine, so it'd been nine, six and four. We bought tickets to take the kids to Disney World. Airline tickets, the whole bit. We wrapped it up and we didn't give it from Santa Claus. That was Christmas morning. And I'll never forget Douglas, my oldest son, was really the only one that was. Could figure out. He's like, their plane tickets. And we went, yes, we're going on an airplane. Where are we going? What does it say? And we went through the whole thing and then we brought out the tickets and the Mickey Mouse thing.

[Susan]

Were you leaving the next day?

[Kathy]

I think it was like two days later. If you. I mean, I. I could cry again thinking about it. I'd get goosebumps. They started crying and screaming. Really? Really. We're going to do it. Really? Really. It was. It was one of probably the best Christmas memories. What about you? Do you have a best favorite Christmas?

[Susan]

Absolutely. But my plan was whenever I was taking them, I would never do it more than three days before or surprise because they would torture me.

[Kathy]

What?

[Susan]

How many more days? How many more? This. How many more? This?

[Kathy]

Oh, you're. No, but I'm saying what is that your. Did you do it for Christmas as well?

[Susan]

Not on Christmas Day, no.

[Kathy]

What is your favorite?

[Susan]

I've done other trips and given it Christmas Day that we were leaving in a day or two. Yes. But it wasn't Disney for that one. But whenever we went, we went 17 times gathering. Oh, God. I mean, I could do Disney.

[Kathy]

What is one of your favorite holiday memories with your family?

[Susan]

When I would dump the kids with some of their gifts, I would put clues and I would have them run all over the house. Opened the dryer and I could hear the boys going, is she serious? In the dryer. And it wasn't there. There was another clue. And after about the fifth one, they go, mom, seriously?

[Kathy]

Oh, that's cute.

[Susan]

We would laugh watching them run everywhere.

[Kathy]

We would. I would wrap gifts in. In huge, big boxes.

[Susan]

Oh, yes, I've done this as well.

[Kathy]

Or one box. And then wrap a smaller box and wrap each box. It was the same thing. Come on, Mom. Come on, Dad. I know, it's so fun, but I don't know. Christmas. What do you cook? Like, this year, I. You know, I. I'm eating whatever's in the refrigerator. But what did you do? Do you do special meals on Christmas Eve?

[Susan]

Well, I used to do the Seven Fishes, like I said.

[Kathy]

Oh, that's right. That's right.

[Susan]

I don't. When Dickie and I were apart, Dickie would take the children out every Christmas Eve, and they still do it. We go to dinner, and they always wanted to go to the hibachi. Okay. Oh, how fun. For years, that is tradition. And now my s. They go to the hibachi. And Susan's going this year. I used to join them. Oh, yeah. I'll go. You know, and then I go to my girlfriend Lottie's for the Seven Fishes.

[Kathy]

Wow. Well, I don't know. I. I. The. I remember growing up, some of the Christmas Eves, so my parents were divorced, and we got to spend lots of Christmases with my dad. And I'll never forget. I couldn't have been more than seven, maybe eight. And we. This particular year, we got to spend Christmas Eve with my dad and my stepmom. And then he had to bring us back to my mother's house for, you know, that evening for Christmas Day, and it was a good old nor' Easter snowstorm. Oh, my gosh. I loved it, because you know what happened? He tried to get us there because under the penalty of death by my mother, he tried to get us home, but it was drifting. We couldn't. And we had to.

[Susan]

We couldn't.

[Kathy]

We couldn't. We got out of the car, and we were literally. They were. We were walking back in the snow, trudging back to their house, and we were all so excited because we got to spend Christmas with my dad because it was way more fun. And I'll never forget that memory. I don't know that the memories of childhood and the memories of having children are so different from me. The Christmas memories?

[Susan]

Yeah. Well, I'm sorry.

[Kathy]

No, there wasn't.

[Susan]

No, I mean, they're both good ones, right? From your childhood?

[Kathy]

No, Christmas memories were always good. My. My. My grandmother was Catholic, and I really wanted.

[Susan]

Do you ever go to the midnight mass?

[Kathy]

I had. I did go to midnight mass. Not anymore. Tonight I will not be at midnight mass. I'll be snug. What is it? I'll be dreaming of sugar plums in my head or whatever that one is.

[Susan]

But I'm happy tonight. I'm sorry.

[Kathy]

No, go ahead. I was gonna Say she. I wanted this winter coat. And my grandmother said if you. If you do the stations of the Cross with me. I had no idea what that was. It's like there's 12 or 13 crosses in a Catholic church. I don't know. You can school me on that too. And. And I went, what's in Lent? Oh, it's Lent.

[Susan]

Are you sure? Ashwin.

[Kathy]

Then it was.

[Susan]

Starts.

[Kathy]

Okay. Well, it was something else we did. And we had to walk around the. It was a Christmas time. And I got that coat for Christmas from my grand. You know, I just remember standing in the church going, okay, you know, maybe it was lighting 12 candles. I don't know. I just.

[Susan]

You know what I get excited about now? Of course, I wish I could wake up to the babies. You know, that's the whole thing. When the kids stopped believing, it was different. But tonight I don't have to put anything together. We'd be up till wee hours of the morning trying to put the things together.

[Kathy]

Okay. Did you ever. Did you ever put the wrong stuff in the wrong stocking? We were so tired.

[Susan]

Like I said that people have opened gifts. I go, oh, that's not for you.

[Kathy]

No, but my kids would come down to get. Because our rule always was on Christmas morning, they could open their stocking and have their gift from Santa, which wasn't wrapped, but they couldn't open. We couldn't open any presents. Remember, my husband was the naval officer. Rules, regulations. There were no more presents till after everyone had had breakfast.

[Susan]

They.

[Kathy]

You made them wait to open. Excuse me. Until they ate. I just told you, the officer. Sir. Yes, sir. Permission to come ashore, sir? My husband said that was. That was his tradition. Not only that, Susan, Each person. And we did it. My family, too. With seven kids, you went around and each person opened a gift, so you had to watch and you had a. My hands were itching on the paper. Like, open the door.

[Susan]

My kids got. As my kids got older, we did that. Because you don't even know what they're getting like, right? Like crazy chaos. It was chaos for years, and then it was, okay, you open yours. Now you open yours. But it was the. When you have twins, usually I'd let those two open together because they pretty much got the same.

[Kathy]

Yeah. Oh, that's funny. We. But you never did. I remember putting. My kids would come down and they'd, you know, literally, like in Caitlin's. Because I only had the one girl in her. In her. In the boys, there would be like two. What do you call them? Lip gloss you know, when she was little, like play lip gloss. And the boys would look like, what the hell is this? And Kayla go, that. Why did Santa not give me one? I was like, you know, Santa was very tired. Boys. I think that was meant for Caitlyn. I mean, you know, all that stuff, all the mistakes.

[Susan]

Yes. Single year, did you ever lose anything that you bought a Christmas present for somebody?

[Kathy]

No, because I do the same thing every year. I put them in a. All my gifts are always in a closet. When I. I can buy something in April and tonight if I'm wrapping it like Christmas Eve, which rarely happens, but I have been known to do that, I get them all out and I have a. That's where they are. Do you keep them all in the same place?

[Susan]

Well, everything's in my attic. I have a walk in attic and they're in piles by families. But my dad, one year I bought him a gold chain, a gold neck chain. And he's opening his presents. And I would always save something for the next day because his birthday was the day after Christmas. But I was constantly too excited that it's right here. It's right here. You sure you don't want to open it today? You sure? He said, susan, tomorrow is my birthday. I will open it. Open it tomorrow. Well, long story short, he opened all his gifts and I had his birthday gift that was something different. And I was like, wait a minute, where's dad? Did you open something without me looking? I lost it. I lost it. The gold chain, like a real gold chain.

[Kathy]

You lost it?

[Susan]

Gone. It was not there. We ripped through everything. I looked everywhere. I was so upset. He goes, susan, don't worry about it. Don't worry. No, dad. The following year, I went out and bought him another chain and gave it to him. That was Christmas week or whatever. You didn't have to do that. On and on and on. Long story short, the following year, I was wrapping gifts and I have a big gift wrap bag thing that you keep all your stuff in. It was there. I found it the next year.

[Kathy]

What'd you do with it?

[Susan]

I gave it to him. He said, what am I going to do with this? I said, I don't know. I mean, you got two now. What can I tell you? Here it is. Because I don't believe you went out and bought another one. It was a year later, so you couldn't exchange it, but, oh, wow.

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Are you one of those people that starts your holiday shopping in like, July?

[Kathy]

July? I mean, no, never. Like, I, I, I like to shop, Actually, I like to shop on Christmas Eve because I find it to be a little more festive.

[Gift Shopper]

But you, like, start decorating right after Halloween?

[Kathy]

No, after Thanksgiving. Okay, that's different.

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[Kathy]

Halloween? No, not Halloween.

[Gift Shopper]

You know, I consider myself to be a pretty good gift. Got my list. And I've checked it twice, probably three times.

[Kathy]

She takes the holidays very seriously.

[Gift Shopper]

I can't help it. You know, I love finding the perfect gifts for everyone. And Walmart has all the top brands. Nespresso, Sonos, Nintendo.

[Kathy]

Nintendo at Walmart. Who knew?

[Gift Shopper]

I know. And more. All of your shopping in one place.

[Kathy]

How much more shopping? Oh, boy.

[Gift Shopper]

Just saying. Get all the brands everyone loves at Walmart. Head to Walmart.com or download the Walmart app to get all your gifts this season.

[Podcast Host]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod.

[Kathy]

Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Podcast Host]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion.

[Susan]

1.

[Podcast Host]

20 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

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[Susan]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

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[Kathy]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

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[Dan Morgan]

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We're going to keep things light that we could go on and talk about memories forever.

[Susan]

Wish everybody a merry Christmas.

[Kathy]

Well, let me just say happy holiday. Can I just say Hanukkah's been over now for a few days. So those of you who do not celebrate Christmas, just pretend. You can pretend. And it's fun. It's fun. Celebrate. You know, we don't have to get into the whole idea of Jesus being born. Just, you know, wrap something up and. Or actually. Okay, little test here before we get into our little questions that we're gonna do. Do you know what I grew up. I told you, I grew up in a mostly Jewish neighborhood. Do you know what the Jewish people in my neighborhood, and I think this might be across the board, do on Christmas Day?

[Susan]

Go to the movies.

[Kathy]

They get Chinese food and go to the Chinese and go to the movies. Which, you know, what if tomorrow doesn't work out? Well, I might be getting dim sum. Yum. And going to a garden.

[Susan]

And we eat really early, like right. By 3 o', clock, I'm like, by 8 o', clock, I am scrubbing the floors, cleaning the house like it's all done. I go out, like, go visit or go to the movies or go to the casino.

[Kathy]

On Christmas day, on Christmas night, you go to the casino. They're not. I mean, they're not clothes on Christmas.

[Susan]

The casino.

[Kathy]

All right, we're not going down the casino row here. We're going to keep things light and we're going to answer some questions so you guys can get to know us better. Because who doesn't want to know Susan and Kathy just a little bit don't.

[Susan]

You know about us?

[Kathy]

Really? All right, Susan, you want to start us off with the first one?

[Susan]

Okay, I sure will. If you could go back and revisit one holiday from your past, what would it be and why?

[Kathy]

Oh, well, it's Christmas Eve. It would absolutely be. I would love to see my children's faces again when they got those tickets to Disney World. I would love. I would. I could. I replay it in my head all the time. What about you?

[Susan]

I wasn't thinking that of my children. I thought they meant from my past as a child.

[Kathy]

Well, that is. It's still from my past. My kids are grown.

[Susan]

Yes, I guess you're right. So I have to rethink the question. I don't know. I love all of them.

[Kathy]

You're struggling to think of. Well, that's.

[Susan]

I don't know which one would be my favorite.

[Kathy]

Well, you know what? You know what's nice about that, Susan, is you love them all that said, you know. Yeah.

[Susan]

I just still do.

[Kathy]

I. I'll tell you one from when I was a child. My father, as you know, my stepmother, I considered my mother. My father gave my stepmom for Christmas one year a emerald cut diamond ring because they got married. They weren't engaged. They. I mean, it was the second marriage for both of them. And she had a beautiful gold wedding band, but she never had a diamond. And I will never forget the look on her face when she opened that box and saw that diamond ring. I'll never forget her seeing how.

[Susan]

I love that. What ones I like to go back and visit. Wouldn't even be Christmas. It's surprising my kids with something, you know, on their birthday, when I bought Brittany a car. You know, things like that. All right, what's the next one?

[Kathy]

What was your first holiday season like with children?

[Susan]

Oh, chaos. I remember.

[Kathy]

No, no, no. A baby.

[Susan]

Yes. And they like the paper and the boxes. It didn't even matter what was in it. Oh, I love that.

[Kathy]

They just. I remember my kid, my, my, my infants. I mean, they slept. It could have been, you know, it could have been.

[Susan]

They didn't care.

[Kathy]

You know, New Year's, it could have been Fourth of July. But when they started crawling. Oh, my God.

Yeah.

Getting into the tree. What? You know what? I did my trees for the couple of years there. I put nothing on the bottom so that they couldn't, you know, they couldn't get them. But then I would take them over and hold them in, let them, and touch them. I have to tell you one other thing that I cannot believe because I'm looking at it right now. My, my. You know, it's. It's. It's dark. My tree is lit. I have a Christmas decoration. My grandmother, the one that I did the Catholic thing with, she bought all of us green glass balls. Just, you know, your standard big 4 inch, 5 inch, you know, those big glass balls. And she had all of our names, names glittered on them. I still have mine. I'm the only one who has it left. And I always put it up on the tree. That's what made me think of it when I had young kids like, I love you, children, but you break that ornament, I'll have to kill you. It's always tucked into the tree.

[Susan]

You just gave me an. I thought that when we said, could you go back and revisit one holiday? I love this. You know when you give your children. They get to shop at school and you give them $10 or whatever the amount was.

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[Susan]

I opened presents on Christmas and my son, one son bought me a diamond ring. And then my other son Bought the NEC necklace and they were like, you know, from the five and dime store.

[Kathy]

How sweet.

[Susan]

Oh, my God, I'll never forget it. Like how special they did it. And they wrapped it by themselves. And it was such a thing. Brittany used to get me things every year from this Christmas bazaar at school.

[Kathy]

We never had that. That I made a face because we didn't have Christmas shopping for the kids.

[Susan]

All right, Kathy, if you had a naughty and nice list for men your age, what gets someone put on each one? Well, why would you put somebody on a naughty list or a nice list?

[Kathy]

I mean, listen, I'm easy. If. If a guy is kind to me and, you know, tells me, whispers a sweet nothing in my ear, he's automatically on the nice list. I think the only thing that would put him on the naughty list are things that would put him on the kick him out the door list. Like, you know, cheating on me. Or, you know, I have to say, if for. For men. Not boyfriend, for. For just men in general. Treat your special someone. Your mother, your sister, your partner. Give her a card, give her a gift, make her feel special. That's what's going to get you on everyone's nice list.

[Susan]

I happen to agree with it. But I know you get the next one. But I got to ask you, okay, what was the first big purchase you made with your own money and how did that make you feel? I remember mine. Oh, my God.

[Kathy]

I actually don't remember. Okay, so tell me, what was yours?

[Susan]

This is something. I forget so many things.

[Kathy]

What, like a Maserati? What'd you buy?

[Susan]

No, not this one. I'll never forget my first real job, my whole paycheck. There was a pair of these teal colored wedgie shoes. I say I could not wait to get them. And I actually didn't have money for the week for gas. And I went to ask my parents could they spot me till next paycheck? And my mother said to me, well, you just got paid. You got your first paycheck. What did you do? I bought shoes. My mother. You did? Carmen. Carmen, will you talk to her? You can't do that, Susan. Your first paycheck and you bought a pair of shoes that you can't afford. They were a hundred dollars.

[Kathy]

Her life has not changed much since then. I'm just gonna say to all you out there, susan gets a paycheck. She's out shopping. I honestly don't remember Susan. I really don't. Because I worked. I worked from the time I was 13. We had across the neighbor Street. The neighbor across the street was a quadriplegic. And so I went over every day after school, and she paid me and I helped her. She would tell me what to do to dinner for the kids because her husband, her charming husband, left her after she became quadriplegic. So I went over. So I got paid from that. And I don't remember. I know I tried to save money. I got a savings account. I like seeing my savings account.

[Susan]

She was a saver. She always. That's why she has it now and I don't. But I had everything I wanted.

[Kathy]

Okay. All right. What is a job you had, Earl? Oh, I've got a good answer for this. What is a job you had early in life that people would never expect?

[Susan]

Oh, gosh. I worked at Orange Julius in the mall. And I worked at the record bar in the mall. We sold albums.

[Kathy]

I know.

[Susan]

Record bars. Always as a high school kid. And then I worked for Dr. Saltz when I was allowed to do the work program and leave school at once for a dentist. So I had three jobs.

[Kathy]

Okay.

[Susan]

That's why I thought I could go buy shoes. I mean.

[Kathy]

Oh, that's funny. Well, I already said I worked for the neighbor cross street. But do you know what job I had all the way through high school?

[Susan]

What?

[Kathy]

I was a cashier at a grocery store. And I worked my way up so I could work in the courtesy booth cashing checks. And that, you know, that was high cotton. But back in those days, you couldn't look at the register. They were the old Fashioned. You had to push the.

[Susan]

You had to count the change out.

[Kathy]

Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, I could do math. I had to count the champ. But literally, we couldn't look at the keys. And so it was like learning how to do an adding machine. And when I got tired of working and wanted a break, I was so fast at it, I could jam the machine. And I would do it regularly. I know I was bad, but I remember getting those paychecks and getting overtime. I thought I was. I thought it was big Cotton.

[Susan]

The cat's meow there, kiddo. All right, what's a story from your childhood or your teenage years that still makes you laugh out loud? Oh, gosh.

[Kathy]

You know. Well, I can tell you one. I laugh out loud now because I love. It's not about Christmas, but it's July 4th. When I was little, I hated the fireworks that I was so sensitive to that large. To that loud noise. And every year, my mother would make me go and. And I would scream so loudly. Because I was so really, desperately afraid of it. And she made you go? She would make me go, yes. Like I said, my stepmother was my. My real mom anyway. But I was just hysterical. The. The sound scared me so much. And now I love fireworks. Like, the louder the better, but. So I laugh out loud now, thinking how afraid I was of fireworks back then.

[Susan]

For me, it's the silly things. I used to stand on my table and chairs and have something in my hand, like a microphone, and I would entertain my parents, my grandpa. When we went to Marnata's, I would perform.

[Kathy]

Oh, well, you haven't. You're still doing it.

[Susan]

I haven't changed a bit. Okay.

[Kathy]

All right. What's the moment in your life where you felt the most proud of yourself?

[Susan]

I have a couple moments. First, having a child, I was so proud that. And I went natural foolish. Not that I planned on it. She just came really fast. The second proudest that I felt when I was able to speak at my father's funeral.

[Kathy]

Oh, wow.

[Susan]

I was very proud of myself.

[Kathy]

Good for you.

[Susan]

I did it for my mom. I did it for my brothers, both brothers, something. It was hard, but helped me get through it, and I was very proud of that.

[Kathy]

Oh, good for you. That I don't think I could do it. So. You know, I got married very young, and education was always. My kids would tell you today, if you ask them what's most important to mom, they would say, I mean, aside from my children, my grandchildren, education, it's huge for me. Well, I got married when I was 20, and I left college and I got married, but I was determined to finish my degree, and I. We moved around a lot, and I. I finally graduated 13 years after I started, and I walked. I remember walking up to get that diploma, and I was so proud that I did it.

[Susan]

Good for you.

[Kathy]

Okay, what is. All right, go ahead, you do this one. Go ahead.

[Susan]

What is an experience you had in your 20s that shaped who you became at 60?

[Kathy]

Getting married.

[Susan]

True to that. I don't think I have an answer for that one.

[Kathy]

All right, let's move on. If your life had eras, like, you know, Taylor Swift, what would the name of your current era be? I got it.

[Susan]

Well, go ahead.

[Kathy]

Save the best for last.

[Susan]

I'll drink to that.

[Kathy]

I think we can both drink to that one. Yeah.

[Susan]

Okay. What's the wildest or most spontaneous thing you've ever done in the name of love?

[Kathy]

Oh, God, Susan, you got to take this one.

[Susan]

I got lots.

[Kathy]

Yeah. You know what? You could do mine for Me, I'm not even going to hit this one up. Go. Go for two. What are your two top.

[Susan]

Actually, I've done it more than once when I surprise someone for. With a gift, of course. With a trip. Like, I took somebody to Greece and I surprised.

[Kathy]

That was spontaneous.

[Susan]

Hawaii. That was spontaneous.

[Kathy]

You're telling me.

[Susan]

You just said, look, boom, I decided I went out and did it. And boom, here you go.

[Kathy]

And this is why Susan is still working. Oh, God. All right, go ahead. All right.

[Susan]

What is something you wish viewers knew about what living in the mansion was really like?

[Kathy]

I think you guys know everything. Yeah, we told it all. I think. I think the bathroom situation was a little more chaotic. Like you had to plan when you were going to use the toilet. If you got my dress.

[Susan]

Yeah, especially with the ones in the other smaller rooms will come to use our big ones.

[Kathy]

Yeah. I mean, the bathroom situation was not ideal. And the other thing about living in the mansion is there were always like, Susan cooked a lot. There were always damn dirty dishes in the sink, and it was always me. We're not mentioning names here, but you and I both know there were some people who cooked. There were some people who ate, and there were some people who never washed a dish.

[Susan]

Excuse me, did you just put that in there? You need to wash it because the dishwasher was broken. We had to wash the dish.

[Kathy]

Okay. All right.

[Susan]

Alrighty. If you could redo one moment from the show. Funny or serious, what would it be?

[Kathy]

Oh, for me?

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

I would yell at Teresa even louder. What the hell is wrong with you? Zip it now. Yep, I would.

[Susan]

Oh, my God. You know what? I like to jump it out of the cake. I really had fun jumping out of the King.

[Kathy]

That was fun. That was fun. It was such a fun time on that show. I wish everyone could have that.

[Susan]

They need to do another show with us. Okay.

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[Kathy]

July? I mean, no, never. Like, I like to shop, actually, I like to shop on Christmas Eve because I find it to be a little more festive.

[Gift Shopper]

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[Kathy]

No, after Thanksgiving. Okay, that's different.

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[Kathy]

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[Gift Shopper]

You know, I consider myself to be a pretty good gift giver. I've got my list and I've checked.

[Kathy]

It twice, probably three times. She takes the holidays very seriously.

[Gift Shopper]

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[Kathy]

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[Kathy]

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[Podcast Host]

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[Dan Morgan]

Hey. How's it going today?

[Podcast Host]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

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[Podcast Host]

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[Dan Morgan]

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[Podcast Host]

Are insurance companies, like, actually afraid of you guys?

[Dan Morgan]

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[Susan]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

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[Kathy]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

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[Susan]

What is something you learned about yourself in your 60s or 70s that you wish you knew earlier? Oh, that you learned about yourself.

[Kathy]

Oh, that's so easy for me.

[Susan]

Okay, go ahead.

[Kathy]

That I may not be perfect, but I wish I knew that and believed it. That I'm the best I can be. I'm not perfect, but I'm a good person. I'm the best I can be and not everyone's gonna love me and that's okay. I. In other words, I think I spent too much time earlier in my life trying to please other people, trying so hard. And now and. And didn't realize that, you know, not. I'm not everyone's cup of tea. And guess what? Not everyone's my cup of tea. And I learned that, like, really, it's.

[Susan]

Quite similar, that I don't have to be somebody I'm not to please another person. I'm good enough.

[Kathy]

You're better than good enough.

[Susan]

Thank you, Kathy. Alrighty. What's a love lesson you learned the hard way? Oh, God, don't ask me that, because I still don't learn.

[Kathy]

Well, I can answer this and, and I will tell you it makes me cry, but I'll get through it. What I learned the hard way is when my husband was alive, you know the. The old expression, do you want to be right or happy? I sure wanted to be right all the time. And I learned that the hard way. Because now I can't, you know, I can't tell him now. I don't care about being right. I just want to be happy.

[Susan]

There you go. What's a belief, a value or truth you've kept with you your entire life?

[Kathy]

What? Oh, I got one.

[Susan]

Okay.

[Kathy]

I value integrity. I value doing the right thing. I'm not saying I've never. That I haven't at times done the wrong thing. We all do. But I put great emphasis and great belief that you do the right thing for you. You don't do it so other people see it. You do the right thing to set, hopefully to set an example for your children, for your friends, and so that people will look at me and say they'll realize I have integrity because that's really important to me. What about you?

[Susan]

And for me, it's being real to people and not telling a lie because you think that's what they want to hear. That's a good one. Just being straightforward and unapologetically, authentically us.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Susan]

Okay.

[Kathy]

When did you feel the most loved ever?

[Susan]

The most by my Nana. Yeah, my. My nana, really. I mean, I felt loved by my family, my friends, you know, my boyfriends that I've been in love with, my husband. But my Nana, I was very special to her because as I think I mentioned before on one of our podcasts, she had three brothers. And then she got married and had three sons, and my dad was the oldest, and she came from Italy and I was the first grandchild as a girl.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Susan]

Needless to say.

[Kathy]

Yeah, no wonder. Okay, now I understand the deal with Nana. Okay.

[Susan]

Yes.

[Kathy]

For me, it's absolutely a no brainer. My husband, he. He always made me feel so loved, so sweet.

[Susan]

Okay, what's a moment in your life you think your younger self would be really proud of? I think my younger self will be proud of me, period. It's not a moment. I'm very proud of who I become.

[Kathy]

Her younger self would be most proud that Susan on Christmas Eve gets out those teal shoes and says, I might have spent 150 bucks on you, but.

[Susan]

I still have how many years I held on to this? They were dry riding in the island. I would never throw them out. I'm telling you.

[Kathy]

I think. I think my younger self would be proud because I didn't have great role models. I think my younger self would be proud of the mom I was to my kids. Again, made a lot of mistakes, but that I was, you know.

[Susan]

Wait, I know it's your turn, but I gotta ask you this, okay. Is there a part of your personality people misunderstand and what's the truth behind it?

[Kathy]

You know what?

[Susan]

I can answer that.

[Kathy]

Go ahead, you answer it for me.

[Susan]

Go ahead, Kathy. I work on it constantly with her. It's her delivery. She's got a heart of gold. She really does. But the way she puts it out there, sometimes it's a little rough.

[Kathy]

Well. And I'm gonna tell you it's because the truth is, you're right and I am misunderstood. People think I'm hard. I'm not really hard at all, but I was one of seven kids, and I was for a while before the, you know, the second marriages. I was the youngest of five. And let me tell you, you learn to scrap and fight because you're gonna. In my house, you starved. If literally, if you. You know. So I learned to be direct and hard and move fast because, you know, he who hesitates is lost. In my family and things.

[Susan]

We develop who we are from our childhood.

[Kathy]

Yes. Oh, childhood trauma we can do. We could do weeks on that subject.

[Susan]

It's crazy different for us.

[Kathy]

What about you?

[Susan]

I think people know exactly who I am.

[Kathy]

Oh. See, I. I think you are kind.

[Susan]

I'm a crier. I'm sensitive. Maybe they don't realize how sensitive I am.

[Kathy]

I think. No, I think people see all that in you. I think people. I don't think they misunderstand it about you, but I think people think that you are always sweet, always just a love button, which you are a lot of time. But there is also a side of you that can be tough. You don't see it too often.

[Susan]

Hurt somebody I love or you're. You're pissing me off.

[Kathy]

That's the side I know, but I.

[Susan]

Think a lot of people, and this came from in my career in hair business would, the young ones would say, I want to be like you when I grow up. You don't let anything bother you. That is so far from the truth. It really is. People think I am stronger than ever and I can handle anything and I can. I manage. But it hurts like things do. Bow.

[Kathy]

You know what, Susan?

[Susan]

I fake it till you make it.

[Kathy]

I think a lot of people who come across as really strong have. Have weaker, not weaker, have sensitive sides where they just learn how to cope better. Or disguise it. Pick a word, coping skills. Or disguise it. Because they don't want to have that conversation. They don't want to show it. But here it is. Christmas fun, right? We get learning, we learn more about us. That is our Christmas holiday gift to you all, getting to know a little bit more about us. I speak for Susan and me when we wish those of you who celebrate Christmas a very, very happy Christmas. And to the rest of the world, happy, happy New Year. That's right around the corner as well.

[Susan]

Yeah, we'll have an episode to talk about that next. Yes.

[Kathy]

And unfortunately, that's going to do it for this episode of Bachelor Happy Hours Golden Hour.

[Susan]

Thank you so much for joining us. As you know, we have new episodes coming out every week and we're going to stay current and talk about everything that's happening out there you don't want to miss.

[Kathy]

Make sure to submit all your questions to us. You can go to bachelornation.com golden hour or hit us up on socials at Bachelor Happy Hour and listen to the.

[Susan]

Bachelor Happy Hours golden hour on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you listen to your podcast. Ho ho ho.

[Kathy]

Happy holidays.

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[Kathy]

Checked it twice, probably three times. She takes the holidays very seriously.

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