Cindy Knows What She Wants | Happy Hour

Summary

Bachelor Happy Hour: “Cindy Knows What She Wants” | Happy Hour

Episode Date: November 20, 2025
Host(s): Joe Amabile & Serena Pitt
Guest: Cindy Colors (“Golden Bachelor” finalist)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Bachelor Happy Hour features a candid, engaging two-part interview with Cindy Colors, a standout finalist from the latest season of “The Golden Bachelor.” Hosted by newlyweds and franchise alums Joe Amabile and Serena Pitt, the discussion explores Cindy’s journey on the show, her mindset during the infamous Antigua dates, and what she’s learned about herself—and about finding love—through the unique Bachelor process. The conversation delivers exclusive behind-the-scenes insight, emotional reflections, and plenty of humor and wisdom for Bachelor Nation fans.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Cindy’s Life & Background

• Hometown & Current Life (04:47–06:39):

  • Cindy has lived in downtown Austin, Texas, for over 30 years, witnessing the city's transformation from a “ghost town” to a bustling destination.
  • “We had an ordinance that you couldn’t build buildings taller than the state capitol... When they removed that ordinance, boy, it started booming.” – Cindy (05:07)
  • Shares her affinity for local eats, with Rudy’s Barbecue (in a gas station) as her favorite spot.

• Move to Austin Story (07:36–08:00):

  • Moved from Dallas to Austin to marry her now ex-husband.
  • “I moved to Austin to marry a man back in the day.… Haven’t looked back. It’s been a fun place.” – Cindy (07:36)

• Career Journey & Family (21:03–22:11):

  • Career in biomedical engineering and diagnostic imaging equipment sales; later moved into facial aesthetics sales.
  • Took a 20-year hiatus to raise her three daughters and only returned to work post-divorce.

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Golden Bachelor Experience

Setting the Scene: Antigua & Final Two

• Initial Reactions to Final Destination (08:32–10:00):

  • Antigua described as “in the British West Indies… a special island… The sand is like walking on a Tempur-Pedic mattress.”
    • “If you haven’t been, put it on your short list. It was amazing.” – Cindy (08:32)
  • Welcomed by a customs officer who teased, “Maybe you’ll meet your husband on the island” (09:39), which Cindy saw as a sign.

• Mindset on Arrival (10:00–10:19):

  • Cindy entered the final two hopeful and focused on deepening her connection with Mel, the lead. She believed both were ready to explore the potential for a real relationship.

Navigating Competition and Advice from Friends

• Processing Multiple Relationships (10:46–12:54):
  • Cindy was able to “compartmentalize” late in the season, thanks to advice from her friends, Kathy and Susan:
    • "You just gotta pay attention to your own relationship with him... Suspend reality and play your game… Be in your own relationship." – Kathy’s advice via Cindy (10:56)
  • “[It’s] rare… that someone kind of switches that mentality and is able to compartmentalize the relationship. And I feel like you really did that.” – Joe (11:42)
  • Earlier in the season, she was more concerned about the other women, but shifted focus following the pivotal conversation.

Cindy’s “Type” and Perspective on Mel

• What Attracted Her to Mel (19:01–20:28):
  • Not “glamour and fame and money,” but his “dedication,” “curiosity,” and willingness to make “big, bold changes”—traits she values from her own life.

“Mel is my type for those reasons, but not for the reasons that you would automatically see.” – Cindy (19:01)

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The Stingray Date & Emotional Turning Point

Hopes for the Date

• Goals Going In (23:02–23:34):
  • Cindy wanted to see playfulness restored, but also wanted evidence that Mel was making future plans involving her.

On-Camera Playfulness

• Unseen Side of Mel (23:57–24:45):
  • Cindy describes Mel as more fun and playful off-camera, with banter and supportiveness—a side not fully captured on the show.

“He has a much bigger personality than the show, I think, let on.” – Serena (23:34)

• Stingray Hesitation (24:57–25:49):
  • While Cindy dived right in, Mel was hesitant and nervous, sticking close to the ladder.

“I was a little surprised by how timid he was… I had to go out a little bit further… and I had done it before, and it was new for Mel.” – Cindy (24:57)

Closeness and Confusion

• Emotional Moment (26:10–27:30):
  • During the stingray date, Cindy expressed genuine feelings, to which Mel responded that “this is just really fast for him.”
  • “I got back on the boat, and I thought, have I been misreading this?” – Cindy (26:10)
  • Cindy was left confused, feeling the relationship might be at different stages for each of them.

What Mel Wanted from the Show

• Cindy acknowledged Mel seemed to use the show “to date, to look at a lot of different type of women, to kind of try on a bunch of shoes… But he was using this process to do something that I had already done in real life.” – Cindy (28:11)

• Serena’s Take:

  • “If you commit to the show, you are kind of committing to taking that risk… I don’t think he was able to do that.” – Serena (27:30)

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Reflecting on the Format and Mel’s Approach

• Would Mel Have Been Different as a Contestant First? (36:03–36:52):
  • Serena posits Mel would have been more open or vulnerable if he had done the show as a contestant first, learning the process from the other side.
  • Cindy agrees: “That’s a really good point. He may have emotionally been more open to it…”
• Lead’s “Finish the Game” Mentality (37:12–37:37):
  • Joe and Serena note that, as the lead, Mel had a “you finish the game” approach, making it hard to walk away or emotionally recalibrate mid-season.
• Cindy’s Analysis (37:37–39:32):
  • “If he is going to require people to be in it to the end, he better keep his eye on the ball. I think he took his eye off the relationships, and I can’t really put my finger on what happened. I think it kind of got too real for him, and I felt him pulling away.” – Cindy (37:37)
  • She shares a moving anecdote: Mel made her a cosmo at her own condo during hometowns—a moment she says embodied what she truly wants from a partner: “This is what I want to be doing on Tuesday, you know, on the everyday.” (38:48)

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Fantasy Suite Decisions & Knowing Her Worth

• Why She Wouldn’t Go to the Fantasy Suite (40:15–41:52):

  • For Cindy, accepting a fantasy suite card meant a commitment to a potential fiancé, not “just a boyfriend.”
    • “I’m not here for a boyfriend. I’m just not. I simply am not. And I don’t want to continue to put my life on pause for the hope of a boyfriend. It just wasn’t enough for me.” – Cindy (41:15)

• What She Needed from Mel (42:24–43:15):

  • Cindy didn’t expect a final commitment but sought genuine signs Mel had thought about a real integration of their lives.
    • If he wasn’t “on that level… we’re so far away from an engagement if he’s not there.”

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Did Mel Already Decide?

• Cindy’s Perspective (43:26–44:01):
  • She does not believe Mel had already chosen Peg during their time together:
    • “If it was Peg all along, he wouldn’t have behaved with me the way he did… I think a man or a woman, if you already made your mind up, you behave differently.”
  • Both hosts agree Mel wouldn’t have led Cindy on if he’d made his decision.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Mindset Shift:
  • “Having Kathy and Susan come for the pajama party was very helpful. Kathy said... pay attention to your own relationship… Suspend reality and play your game.” (10:56)
• On Mel’s Character:
  • “Mel is my type… for his dedication… his curiosity… his ability to make big, bold changes.” (19:01)
• On Her Intentions:
  • “I’m not here for a boyfriend. I’m just not. I simply am not. And I don’t want to continue to put my life on pause for the hope of a boyfriend.” (41:15)
• On Letting Go:
  • “I needed answers... I honestly didn’t want to embarrass him if he gave me the card and then I said no.” (41:52)
• On Everyday Love:
  • “I’m just watching this amazing man in my place, and I thought, wow, this is what I want to be doing on Tuesday, you know, on the everyday.” (38:48)

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Important Timestamps

• Austin Origin & Favorite BBQ: 04:47–06:39
• Antigua Arrival & Custom’s Moment: 08:32–10:00
• Advice from Kathy – Focus on Your Relationship: 10:56–12:54
• What Cindy Asked from the Stingray Date: 23:02–27:30
• Reflections on Mel, Process, and the Fantasy Suite: 40:15–43:15
• Emotional Cosmo Anecdote: 38:44–39:32

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Tone & Language

The conversation blends Bachelor-style humor, heartfelt honesty, and sharp reflection. Cindy speaks with both warmth and strong boundaries, demonstrating her life experience and clarity about what she wants. Joe and Serena create a welcoming, insightful space—probing but always supportive. The overall vibe is warm, candid, and powerfully relatable for fans and anyone curious about later-in-life love stories.

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Conclusion

This episode delivers one of the most nuanced, empowering Bachelor Nation interviews, spotlighting Cindy’s self-respect, humor, and depth. Listeners come away with a deeper understanding of both the unique pressures of the Bachelor process and what it really means to know—and advocate for—what you want in a relationship. Cindy’s perspective is refreshingly honest and sets a high bar for future contestants and leads alike.

Stay tuned for Part Two, promising more exclusive insights from Cindy’s journey beyond the show.

Transcript

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[Cindy Colors]

I'm Joe.

[Serena]

And I'm Serena and we are here today with Cindy.

[Joe]

Good job. That was good.

[Serena]

Thank you. From Golden Bachelor. Cindy, how are you?

[Cindy Colors]

I'm doing great. Better than I deserve probably, but I'm doing great.

[Joe]

Thanks for watching. Oh, no such thing. No such thing.

[Serena]

I mean, I'm good. I'm good. How are you?

[Joe]

I'm great. I'm happy to meet you. You've been on this podcast before, but sadly you were on the one of the very few weeks a year that Joe and I were not on it. Yeah, there's only like one or two times that ever happens. So we were sad to miss you, but we're excited to chat with you today. We have a nice two part interview coming out.

[Cindy Colors]

Well, I'm happy to meet with you too and I'm glad you had a great trip. You deserve it. You need to take that time for yourselves.

[Joe]

Thank you. Yes, it was much needed.

[Cindy Colors]

It was great.

[Serena]

You live I wanted, you know, I know some of our audience knows some of this stuff already, but you live in Austin, Texas, right?

[Cindy Colors]

I live in Austin, Texas. I've been there for about 30 years, but today I'm in Los Angeles. So. But yes, I've been in Austin for a long time.

[Serena]

Yeah, that city's really changed, huh?

[Cindy Colors]

Oh, my gosh. I live in downtown. And downtown, when I moved, there was a ghost town. Nobody lived down there. There was not even. There wasn't any apartment complex or high rise at all downtown, really. That was it. We had an ordinance that you couldn't build buildings taller than the state capitol. Right.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Cindy Colors]

So everything was really short. And when they removed that ordinance, boy, it started booming. And now it. It's just an amazing downtown area. The whole city is popping. You should come. I'd love to have you.

[Serena]

Yeah, we. We went to. I had my brother's bachelor party there. We went to a hotel lobby that was actually great. I think it was the proper hotel.

[Cindy Colors]

Yeah, it's two blocks from me. It's amazing.

[Serena]

Yeah. You. So you live right there.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Cindy Colors]

Yeah.

[Joe]

We actually looked at that hotel as a potential wedding venue when we first started. Oh, look, we didn't go see it, but just when we were doing some research, we thought it was really pretty.

[Cindy Colors]

Yeah. Austin is super fun. We get a lot of people for bachelorette and bachelor parties and weekends. And I was on a plane yesterday with a group of guys who just got back. They just went down and ate barbecue. That was their. Their weekend was just finding all these great barbecue places. Yeah.

[Serena]

Do you have a favorite barbecue place in Austin?

[Cindy Colors]

They actually mentioned a couple of them that I haven't been. But my favorite is actually in a gas station. It's called Rudy's Barbecue. Off of 360. They have several across the state of Texas. But that one in particular, there's something extra special going on in their smokehouse. I don't know what it is, but it suits me nice.

[Serena]

I went to. I think it's called LA Barbecue or la.

[Cindy Colors]

Sure.

[Serena]

That was a good spot. Katie and. Do you know Katie and Zach? They live in Austin.

[Cindy Colors]

I have not met them yet. I look forward to it.

[Serena]

Okay.

[Joe]

I'm sure you and Kathy.

[Serena]

Oh, yeah. If you met Kathy.

[Cindy Colors]

Remember, I'm just. I'm just out. Yeah, I haven't been. I've been kind of sequestered from the world until this last week. So give me a minute.

[Joe]

All right.

[Cindy Colors]

Give me a minute. I'll track them down quickly.

[Serena]

That's fair. That's fair. Yeah. You should hang out with Kathy. She's. She's a good time.

[Joe]

Yeah. You have a good crew down in Austin. I have to make my way down there at some point. I've never been. I've Always wanted to check it out. So we'll treat you.

[Cindy Colors]

We'll treat you a great. Great hospitality.

[Joe]

What brought you to Austin? Because you've only been there for 30 years. So where did you come from?

[Serena]

Lisa, only.

[Joe]

No, 30 is a long time. I just mean, like, you didn't. You did. You weren't born and raised.

[Serena]

30 is longer than you've been alive.

[Cindy Colors]

It's a fair question. It's a fair question.

[Serena]

You've only been there for 30 years.

[Cindy Colors]

I. I moved to Austin to marry a man back in the day. Yeah, I met him. I was living in Dallas. Living a great life in Dallas. You talk about a fun city for a single person, and especially back in the day. But I met a man who was living in Austin, and we decided to get engaged and had to pick where we moved. And Austin was it. Haven't looked back. It's been a fun place.

[Serena]

Did you watch the Dallas Cowboys documentary by any chance?

[Cindy Colors]

I haven't. I haven't. And SMU has a new documentary that I need to see as well about the death penalty, which I lived through when I was cheering there. Yeah, listen, I've got to catch up on a lot of things.

[Joe]

Yeah, you have to watch the Dallas Cowboy cheerleader series, too. America's favorite. I love that.

[Serena]

And the Secret Life of Mormon.

[Joe]

Okay, we watch a lot of TV over here.

[Serena]

Let's get into this. So before we get into AFR and everything, let's go back to Antigua. Where is Antigua, by the way?

[Cindy Colors]

Antigua is in the British West Indies. I don't know this because I had my phone with me because, you know, they take our phones, but it's in the British. British West Indies. And I've been to islands that are about a hundred miles away, but it's a special island. If you haven't been put on your short list. It was amazing.

[Joe]

A girlfriend I just saw this morning for coffee, she actually. Bree Springs, who was also on the Bachelor. She was just there on a trip, and she said it was exquisite. Like, so beautiful. Something that somewhere I've never thought about going, but I really want to check out.

[Cindy Colors]

So the sand is like walking on a tempur Pedic mattress.

[Joe]

Oh, my gosh.

[Serena]

Okay, so you get to Antigua.

[Joe]

Antigua.

[Serena]

Antigua. You get to Antigua. It should be called Antigua, by the way.

[Joe]

Pitch it. Tell them to use their name.

[Cindy Colors]

Sydney.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

It's beautiful. You know, you're. You're one of two women left. What is going through your mind when you first get there?

[Cindy Colors]

I was. What was going through my mind? I Got to go back to that moment. You get off the plane, you're in this beautiful city. I walk through. I'll tell you what happened. I walked through customs, and they handed my passport, and he's like, you're single? I go, yeah. He goes, well, maybe you'll meet your husband on the island.

[Joe]

No way. Did you feel like that was a sign?

[Cindy Colors]

I did, yeah. I really did, because that's what I was thinking, right. I. Here I am. We're going to discover some more things about each other, move this relationship down the road, and, wow, this is incredible. I actually found a guy, as crazy as it sounds on national tv, and we're going to make this work. That's what I was thinking.

[Serena]

Were you at all hesitant going into Antigua because you were worried Mel maybe wasn't there yet?

[Cindy Colors]

No.

[Serena]

Okay.

[Cindy Colors]

I know after we know the ending of the show, it's hard to remember, so I've got to put myself back into that timeline. But at that moment, I believed that he was putting one foot in front of the other two.

[Joe]

Was any part of you at that point thinking about his connection with Peg or the fact that there was someone else there?

[Cindy Colors]

Honestly, I wasn't. It's kind of remarkable to think based upon how I responded after the pool party. But having Kathy and Susan come for the pajama party that night was very helpful. Kathy said to me, you just gotta pay attention to your own relationship with him. This is an unusual situation. Can you imagine in my real life going to an island with a man who was there with two women? That's just not gonna happen. Not gonna happen. So suspend reality and play your game. Just like, be in your own mind. Be in your own relationship with Mel and don't let what else is happening when his relationship with other people interfere. And that was such great advice at the perfect time and carried it with me the rest of the episodes.

[Joe]

Yeah, it is so interesting because we have seen the way you were responding and feeling in the beginning of the season, every season. Right. And it's just such a normal way to feel, but rare is it that someone kind of switches that mentality and is able to compartmentalize the relationship. And I feel like you really did that around that time where you stopped worrying about the other women, or at least that's what it looked like as a viewer. You really kind of locked in on just you and Mel's relationship.

[Cindy Colors]

Yeah, for sure. For sure.

[Podcast Host 1]

Now, let me.

[Cindy Colors]

Let me go back a little bit further, just give you a little tidbit of insight. The whole first episode when I said I'm falling in love. What ended up on the editing floor is, but there's a lot of types of love. This feels like puppy love. You know, those little puppies, you just want to be around them all the time. They're so cute. And you know, Mel can walk in and wag his tail and I'm right there. But early on I did have strong feelings for him and was wondering how he was doing with the other women. And after that conversation with Kathy, it was, it was pretty clear that if I was going to survive in my head and not eat myself up, that I had to change a mindset. Great advice.

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[Joe]

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[Serena]

July? I mean, no, never. Like, I, I, I like to shop, actually, I like to shop on Christmas Eve because I find it to be a little more festive.

[Joe]

But you, like, start decorating right after Halloween?

[Serena]

No, after Thanksgiving. Okay, that's different. That's different. Halloween? No, not Halloween.

[Joe]

You know, I consider myself to be a pretty good gift giver. I've got my list and I've checked.

[Serena]

It twice, probably three times. She takes the holidays very seriously.

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[Serena]

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[Serena]

Was, is Mel your typical type of man?

[Cindy Colors]

There were a lot of things about Mel that I've been looking for, so I don't think I have a typical. And my daughter's kind of alluded this to this at the hometowns. I've dated a lot of great men. I've dated a lot of handsome men, a lot of smart men, a lot of wealthy men, a lot of athletic men. What I like about Mel is different than what people might have seen on his initial resume, so to speak. You know, he's a professional athlete, a professional football player. So to the rest of the world, that might mean glamour and fame and money to me, I'm a Division 1 athlete myself, and I know the dedication it takes to graduate from a school like Michigan to playing football at the level that he did and then go on to play for the pros for a single team and then to turn and become an attorney. So the characteristics that I was reading from his resume, if you look at Mel, were things that were a little different. I looked at his dedication. I looked at how curious he must see life to make a change. I look at how one of the things that I projected onto him that may or may not be true is how he was able to make big, bold changes in his life. Going from the NFL to being. Becoming an attorney. And I love in my life those moments at which I've just said, forget what the world thinks. What do you want to do? And shake it up. So Mel is my type for those reasons, but not for the reasons that you would automatically see. Got it.

[Serena]

What sport did you play?

[Joe]

That was my question.

[Cindy Colors]

I was on the Palm team, and then I cheered. So both were letters. And so, sadly, all those athletes are really, you know, the football players and basketball players who probably put in more hours. I have better statistical credentials at the school because I got two letters and they only got one.

[Serena]

Oh, nice.

[Cindy Colors]

But nonetheless, I mean, we practice. We practice a lot. We traveled with the team, we had our own competitions, and it was. It was a lot of work. And I loved every minute. Best seats in the house, if you ask me.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Serena]

What do you do now?

[Cindy Colors]

I'm retired.

[Serena]

Retired last October, prior to being retired.

[Cindy Colors]

So I'll give you a whole history. So I graduated with a degree in biomedical engineering and I started selling semiconductors, moved to la, lived in LA for a very brief period of time, missed, then moved back to Texas. That I missed the medical part of what I was doing. And I sold diagnostic imaging equipment, think MRIs, CT scanners, et cetera. And then I got married and we started to have a family. So I got promoted with Sarah, Emily and Caroline. And I was blessed to stay home for 20 years with those babies and had a great time. That's the best job I've ever had that I came back to work when I found out I was not going to remain married. And so there are a lot of things that I had to put back into place in my life. And I accidentally got a job selling in the facial aesthetics market, which is highly coveted. Every woman thinks that's the most glamorous. I like it because it's where all the science is. And so I've been. I've been doing that for a while and decided to retire. We'll see what happens.

[Joe]

Amazing.

[Serena]

You have a favorite daughter, Joe?

[Cindy Colors]

I do. It's Sarah, Emily and Caroline. And it's funny because I'll tell people this. Like, tonight I'll be with Caroline. I'll say, this is my favorite daughter. They'll all roll their eyes. It's just kind of a family joke that probably every family has.

[Joe]

That's so funny.

[Cindy Colors]

But we say, what's your favorite colors? Because colors is my last name.

[Serena]

Oh, I didn't know that that's your last name.

[Joe]

Cindy Colors. Oh, great name.

[Cindy Colors]

If you asked Mel during the show what his favorite colors, he would say Cindy. Now I'm not so sure. I think he's gonna have to say Peg Fair. As he should. As he should. As you should. Yes.

[Joe]

That's very funny.

[Serena]

So going into the stingray date, overall, just going into the date in general, what do you. What is the goal? What do you want to get out of Mel?

[Cindy Colors]

Oh, I think I said it on the show that, you know, I wanted. I wanted to see if he had started making plans in his mind for me and for us. I also wanted to have a little fun. It had been several days since I'd seen him. You know, I just wanted to go back to some of the playful part of our relationship that, you know, just. I don't want to get that heavy all the time. So I wanted to see us play and I wanted to find out if he had begun to think about what life might look like with me.

[Serena]

Was that playfulness between you two there most of the season? Because we don't, you know, we only. We only get to see so much. And I don't really think as viewers, for the most part, we didn't really see, like, the fawn Mel, which I believe he is because we've had him on this podcast and he is a lot more. He has a much bigger personality than the show, I think, let on.

[Cindy Colors]

I would agree with that for sure. Yes. It was like just horseback riding, for example. Just even him getting on the horse. And he's self deprecating, and he's also very supportive. And he was so fun to watch him literally coach his horse up that mountain, up that trail and kind of be in a moment. And the couches that we sat on outside the observatory were so low that he looked at the producer and said, tell me what you need to get from us, because once I go down, I'm not getting back up again, you know, because it was. It's just a lower couch for him. Tall guy. Yeah, he's very playful and, yeah, I thought it was interesting that he wanted to see me outside of my comfort zone and we go swim with Stingrays. He's definitely not interested in doing that.

[Joe]

Yeah, tell us about that activity. We see you kind of dive in. He's more hesitant, and it feels like you kind of coaxed him to come and try it.

[Cindy Colors]

I was a little surprised by how timid he was, because on the boat, he's like, wow, those are. Those are big. Like, they're prehistoric monsters. I thought they would be smaller, but that's an observation. I didn't realize that he just did not want to interact with them. So we got into the pool, and he wouldn't leave the ladder area, and I couldn't stay in the ladder area because I'm underwater. Literally, I would be, like, up to my eyeballs on my tippy toes. So.

[Serena]

So you had to.

[Cindy Colors]

I had to go in. I had to go out a little bit further to where the handlers had the stingrays, and they were all starting to. These stingrays just, you know, it's feeding time. They all know to come out and to swim around. So. And I had done it before, and it was new for Mel. So. Yeah, I look back, and I was. He's not following me. Check in. Like, what are we doing here? Are you coming? Should I come back?

[Joe]

So you go to the night portion of your date.

[Serena]

Well, wait, wait. Before we go to the night portion, how does the stingray date end? Like, where. Where are you guys? Before we even get to the night portion, at the end of that stingray day.

[Cindy Colors]

Like, emotionally.

[Serena]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

How are you feeling?

[Cindy Colors]

Okay. So there was a moment at the end of the date where we are. He's having to hold me, and it's just easier, so I don't have to tread water, and you can't kick the stingray. So if I had to go to him. So he's holding me, we're kissing, and we're snuggling, and we have a moment, and I said, I just want you to know this is real for me. Like, I have real feelings for you. This is not for show. This is truly how I'm feeling. And I think you're a great guy. And I could see a life together, and I don't need it tomorrow, but I could start seeing it, and I'm kind of surprised myself. And he, at that moment, says, this is just really fast for him. And I got back on the boat, and I thought, have I been misreading this? You know, I kind of thought this is the direction we were going. And, you know, he had talked early on about, you know, wanting to go to Austin to see my kids, and he met my kids, and I don't. I just. I was just a little confused getting back on the boat, but also wanting to still continue to have a good time. But listen, I. I can have a good time and not put myself out there, as the way I did on this show, to come home with a boyfriend, you know, could stay in Austin and go have a boyfriend.

[Serena]

Well, I also get how that. That would be kind of jarring to where it's like, you have this nice little moment, and then it's like, that. That's tough. And, like, I understand. Like, you know, I've. I get where Mel's coming from with, like, I do, too, with a lot of it. But, you know, in the same breath, this is kind of what you signed up for. Like, it is like, the show produces engagement. So, like, there has to be a part of you that needs to be willing to take that leap of faith, even though if you're not that person, if you commit to the show, you are kind of committing to taking that risk. And I feel like he. I don't think he was able to.

[Cindy Colors]

Do that once he said, but he's allowed to. He's allowed to have, you know, his own views and to be hesitant at that moment, too. I recognize that Mel, I'd been dating, you know, I've had lots of experiences, and Mel told me on our. At the limo night that he was using this experience to kind of. To date, to look at a different. A lot of different type of women, to kind of try on a bunch of shoes, to use a Cinderella analogy, I guess. But he was using this process to do something that I had already done in real life. So it's fair for him to get to this point and to say, wow, I. I hadn't even thought about finding a girlfriend. It's a little much for me to think about finding a fiance. Right? So I get it. I get it.

[Joe]

That's a great point. I didn't even think about that. Like, if you're in your shoes, thinking, like, well, I've tried on all these different men, and I've figured out kind of exactly what I'm looking for. So, like, when I find that person, I know, like, hey, I'm ready to commit. Whereas Mel, he did say on the podcast, I think as well, like, he hasn't been dating. Like, this is his time to date. So then to jump from, like, I just started dating to I fail, my wife has got to feel like a. A huge leap for him. I agree about that.

[Cindy Colors]

I agree.

[Serena]

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[Joe]

Okay, so question. Are you one of those people that starts your holiday shopping in like, July?

[Cindy Colors]

July?

[Serena]

I mean. No, never. Like, I. I like to shop. Actually, I like to shop on Christmas Eve because I find it to be a little more festive.

[Joe]

But you like to start decorating right after Halloween?

[Serena]

No, after Thanksgiving. Okay, that's different. That's different. Halloween? No, not Halloween.

[Joe]

You know, I consider myself to be a pretty good gift giver. I've got my list and I've checked.

[Serena]

It twice, probably three times. She takes the holidays very seriously.

[Joe]

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[Serena]

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[Joe]

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[Serena]

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[Serena]

Do you think, Cindy, it would be different if Mel had done the experience the way you guys did, where if he was a contestant vying for the Bachelorette and then became the lead because he technically never did the show?

[Cindy Colors]

I just got goosebumps everywhere. That's such a good question. That's a really good question.

[Serena]

I got a lot of them, you know.

[Cindy Colors]

Yeah, that's a really good way because, you know, I thought about like, production wise, you know, would he have been a little less reticent in front of the camera if he had gone through it as a contestant? But I think you're right. I think that's a really good point. That he may have emotionally been more open to it and more. More vulnerable to it, having gone through as a contestant that. Very good question. And yeah, I agree.

[Joe]

Yeah, we were wondering as well about. He seems to have this strong feeling of like, you, you're in the game, you finish the game. If you're in the game, you finish the game. And I think that is such a lead focused mentality because their game goes from night one all the way to the very end.

[Serena]

They have to finish.

[Joe]

They have to finish. They don't have a choice. Like their game is. They walk into night one knowing that they have a job to do till the very end. Whereas the contestants, you're kind of like, I don't know when my game's gonna end. Like, my game is up to you. Or like I say, I think I have everything I need to know. I'm leaving. There's no certainty of, like, start to finish.

[Cindy Colors]

Also. Very good point. But if he is going to require people to be in it to the end, he better keep his eye on the ball. I think he took his eye off of the relationships, and I can't really put my finger on what really happened. I think it just kind of got too real for him, and I felt him pulling away. And maybe it was that it was peg all along, but, I mean, I could tell you it was. If it was Peg, he would have been kissing me like he did in the water. So I just think that maybe he just lost track of the ball and was looking at the timeline. To your point, Serena, that he's looking at completing all those steps, but he forgot to carry the ball with him in those steps. And he wasn't really progressing in a relationship with me or, you know, trying to figure out, like, what life would look like with me. What. How, you know, what is. And I really. What struck me. And I haven't really brought this out anywhere yet, but we were in my. In my condo for hometowns, and he's shaking a cosmo for me. I may cry this.

[Joe]

It's okay. It's really emotional. Like, you're doing a lot of reflection.

[Cindy Colors]

Yeah. Thank you. So on our one. On one date, he said that he had a special cosmo that he liked, and cosmos are, like, one of my top drinks. And so he had the ingredients set to my condo, and he's shaking me. This condo. It's literally the. The shakers spilling everywhere. And I don't care. I'm just watching this amazing man in my place, and I thought, wow, I could. This is what I want to be doing on Tuesday, you know, on the everyday.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Kiskali Ad Speaker 2]

And.

[Cindy Colors]

I think Mel was just going through the process part of it and maybe took his eye off the ball and stopped thinking about what Tuesdays might be.

[Joe]

Yeah. And that's so hard to have that visual of knowing what you could have in front of your face and then having it taken away from you.

[Cindy Colors]

Yeah.

[Serena]

Well, now you could go out and have cosmos on Tuesday. You know, I bet. I bet somebody's got a happy hour in Austin. You can go have a good time and have a. Have a cosmo at the bar at the Proper. That's where you should go.

[Cindy Colors]

I go. I go out all the time. Don't you worry. Don't you worry.

[Serena]

Okay, so let's, let's go. So now we enter the night portion of the date and now it's all making sense into, like, kind of why you went in there somewhat hesitant and questioning him more and kind of just like walk us through that moment.

[Cindy Colors]

I needed answers, you know, going to the fantasy suite for me. And I love the idea of going off camera, no mics, and having that time. And Mel and I had already had some conversations that we were both like, okay, those are. We're going to talk about this when there are no cameras around because we don't want to share this with the world. But going to the fantasy suite, also from my perspective, maybe I'm old fashioned, but even if nothing happens in the fantasy suite, you're gonna have to answer questions to that the rest of your life. Speaking of bars, I came home from LA and I go to the bar, meeting a friend there, and a man comes up to me, a very hot man comes up to me and says, I saw you on the show, I recognize you, I loved watching you and I'm gonna buy you a drink because you didn't go to the fantasy suite. Oh, it's like from a guy's perspective. That's awesome. And so I knew that if he was not going to commit, in the end, I'm not here for a boyfriend. I'm just not. I'm simply not. And I don't want to continue to put my life on pause for the hope of a boyfriend. It just wasn't enough for me. And I knew that Mel was worthy of more. He definitely had my attention and my interest, and if I didn't have it for him, that's fine. But I just, you know, I didn't need to go to the fantasy suite. So I needed some answers in order to accept the card. And I honestly didn't want to embarrass him if he gave me the card. And then I said no. So, yeah, that's where I was.

[Serena]

Anything as honest as I could be in la. Did you go to his fantasy suite?

[Cindy Colors]

This was in Austin. And my answer is no to that.

[Joe]

Okay, do you go to his fantasy?

[Serena]

Sweet.

[Joe]

I'm dead. So when you're going into that conversation, obviously you did not get the answers that you were hoping for or looking for in order to continue the process with Mel. What could have Mel said or done in that conversation that would have made you feel comfortable to continue forward?

[Cindy Colors]

I did not expect him to make a commitment to me or to pick me over Peg or even to say it's going to be you in the end. But I feel like a man in this position. If you're going to spend this amount of time, you're down to two women. And if you haven't started to think about how your life is going to integrate, and Peg and I are completely different women, too. So if you're thinking about. If I'm Mel and I'm thinking about my life and I haven't thought about my life with Cindy and how that might be, how that might work for him, how that might be different for him, what the challenges might be, what questions he might have for me about those challenges if he's not on that level and he's not really in the same place that I am, and, you know, clearly we're so far away from an engagement if he's not there.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Did any part of you wonder if he, in that moment, had already made his decision and was feeling like, you know, I already know it's Peg.

[Cindy Colors]

No.

[Serena]

Interesting.

[Cindy Colors]

No, I mean, if it was Peg all along, he wouldn't have behaved with me the way he did.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Cindy Colors]

You know, trolls me on the dock and, you know, if you. If you know you're going to be with someone else, you refrain from those things. I mean, you have niceties and you're gracious, but I think a man or a woman, if you already made your mind up, you behave differently. You're not continuing to kiss and hold and hug and. And have those. Those intimate moments if you've already made your decision up.

[Joe]

Yeah. And I feel like the word that's been used a lot with Mel is he has a lot of integrity. It would surprise me if he would keep you if he had known it was someone else. Like, if he was like, I'm 100 sure it's Peg, I assume that he would likely be upfront with that, with you.

[Cindy Colors]

And I knew that if I asked him questions like, you know, if I'd gone to the fantasy suite and asked him what happened with Peg, he would be honest with me. He was. He really was very upfront with me. And. And I felt I could. I felt I could trust him for sure.

[Serena]

Yeah. He. He strikes me as an honest, like, blunt person. Like, he. He wouldn't. I don't think he's the type of guy that would just, like, lead you on.

[Cindy Colors]

No.

[Joe]

Or like, sugarcat. Something to make you feel better.

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[Serena]

I think this is a good place to take a break with Cindy and we will be back for Part two.

[Joe]

Thanks so much for listening. We will have new and exclusive interviews every single week. Stay tuned for Part two with Cindy. Bye.

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[Cindy Colors]

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