Cindy: Somewhere Between the Sock Drawer and a Puppy | Happy Hour

Summary

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Bachelor Happy Hour – "Cindy: Somewhere Between the Sock Drawer and a Puppy"

Podcast: Bachelor Happy Hour
Hosts: Joe Amabile & Serena Pitt
Guest: Cindy
Air Date: November 21, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode welcomes Cindy, a standout from the Golden Bachelor franchise, for an open and insightful discussion about her journey on the show, her deeply personal decision to leave, and her renewed outlook on love and relationships as she moves forward. The conversation offers a heartfelt, sometimes humorous, look at what it means to seek lasting love in the “golden years.” Cindy reflects on her connection with Mel, the importance of discernment, the realities of dating later in life, plus memorable advice and behind-the-scenes sisterhood stories from Bachelor Mansion.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Reflections on Mel and the Show ([04:17]-[08:26])

• Cindy on Mel: Cindy is gracious and honest about her feelings for Mel, saying she "can’t say anything bad about him," citing his intelligence, kindness, and humor. However, she reports that her daughters and sons-in-law had their reservations about him during hometowns.

  • Quote: "They’re protective of me, right?... They really do want to see me fall in love and be in love and understand that being hurt sometimes can happen in relationships." (Cindy, [06:00])

• Family’s Perspective: Her daughters unanimously urged her to “use your discernment” regarding Mel. Cindy interprets “discernment” as "what is right for you," a distinction from simple judgment.

  • Quote: "Judgment is right and wrong. Discernment, there’s no value statement to it. It’s what is right for you." (Cindy, [06:30])

The Decision to Leave ([08:26]-[10:25])

• Cindy Describes Her Exit: Cindy recounts her inner conflict during the dockside dinner, feeling the weight of the cameras and the expectation to proceed to the Fantasy Suite—with a realization she couldn’t stay.
  • Quote: "Do I have the power to leave? Can I leave?... in this mode, you’re kind of just thinking, you know, you were told to come have this dinner at the table..." (Cindy, [08:38])
  • The fireworks going off after she made her exit added "insult to injury," making the moment even more chaotic and emotional for her ([09:36]).

On Regret, Commitment, and Knowing What You Want ([10:45]-[13:51])

• No Regrets: Cindy shares she has no regrets about not spending the night in the Fantasy Suite with Mel and wishes “nothing but the best for Mel and Peg,” highlighting how her feelings for him were genuine.

• Profound Relationship Insight: Cindy shares a poignant lesson:

  • Quote: "There are people in our lives who want to share time with us, and there are other people who will commit to us. And knowing the difference between those two can save you a lot of heartache and a lot of confusion. Years of it." (Cindy, [11:22])

• Personal Growth: At 60, Cindy believes she finally knows what she wants in a partner and how to determine if someone will truly commit.

  • Quote: "At 60 years old, I think you...should have a better understanding...I know what I want now." (Cindy, [13:51])

After the Final Rose – Facing Mel Again ([20:43]-[24:31])

• Seeing Mel at AFR: Cindy admits to feeling trepidation about sharing the same space with Mel months later, and describes the moment as one where she "kind of blacked out," unable to express all she wished.

• Communication Disparity: She felt Mel wasn’t receptive to her perspective, unwilling to answer if time spent together off-camera could have changed his intentions.

  • Quote: "Mel wasn't in a moment where he would have heard me...he came with his own idea of what happened." (Cindy, [22:04])
  • She stands by her intuition that more time wouldn’t have yielded the commitment she was looking for.

• Grateful for Avoiding a 'Promise Ring': Cindy jokes, "I’m grateful I didn’t end up with a promise ring. That, that does not work for me." ([24:09])

Defining Commitment and Relationship Plans ([24:31]-[28:07])

• Cindy details to Mel what commitment would have looked like for her—a willingness to move, taking it slow, spending time with both their families—contrasted with Mel’s lack of a clear plan or willingness to consider logistics.

  • Quote: "I wanted to hear that he had thought about a plan...but I would be willing to make those steps, and he had nothing else for me." (Cindy, [26:41])

• Pragmatism in Love: Joe and Serena praise Cindy’s practical, thoughtful approach, emphasizing how critical “the plan” and post-show logistics are for Bachelor relationships to survive.

Life After the Show: Singles, Dating & The Golden Bachelorette? ([35:39]-[39:23])

• Current Status: Cindy is open to what comes next, enjoying time with friends and family, skeptical of returning to dating apps, and focusing on being true to herself. "I just really was hoping that I could have come out of this with a partner." (Cindy, [36:58])

• Daughters’ Dream Guy: Her daughters hope she’ll find someone more communicative, who shares her love for sports and family, and can easily integrate into their lives ([37:08]).

• Potential Golden Bachelorette?: Cindy is flattered but frames the bigger value of the show as helping highlight real issues and joys of dating as a "Golden"—with her signature wit:

  • Quote: "They could find 30 hot guys for me?" ([38:16])
  • She stresses the importance of featuring relatable stories and showing real choices made at this life stage.

"Sock Drawer, Puppy, and Moving On" – Cindy’s Breakup Advice ([39:23]-[40:53])

• Cindy’s Three Steps for Heartbreak Recovery:
  1. Cry—let yourself really feel the feelings
  2. Organize your sock drawer—take care of personal loose ends
  3. Buy a puppy (not literally; rediscover your personal joy)
     • Quote: "Somewhere between organizing my sock drawer and buying a puppy..." (Cindy, [40:33])

Bachelor Mansion Stories & Sisterhood ([43:26]-[45:32])

• Cindy’s favorite memories revolve around the camaraderie among the women—late-night talks, bathroom mirror mishaps, and strong, supportive friendships.

  • Quote: "Not because of Mel, but that was because it's getting real because I had to focus on Mel because it could no longer be just about those friendships." (Cindy, [44:35])
  • She dishes on Nicole’s underwhelming lemon bars and her own beloved bolognese, delivering playful shade and warmth ([41:39]–[43:11]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Discernment vs. Judgment:
  "Judgment is right and wrong. Discernment, there’s no value statement to it. It’s what is right for you."
  – Cindy ([06:30])

• On Commitment:
  "At some point, if you want to stick around, you gotta commit..."
  – Cindy ([11:28])

• Breakup Wisdom:
  "Somewhere between organizing my sock drawer and buying a puppy..."
  – Cindy ([40:33])

• Golden Bachelorette Humor:
  "They could find 30 hot guys for me?"
  – Cindy ([38:16])

• Bachelor Wisdom from Joe:
  "You do need to have a plan, because...within three, four months of being separated, it just doesn't work."
  – Joe ([28:07])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Mel & Hometowns: [04:17]–[07:41]
• Cindy’s Exit Decision: [08:26]–[10:25]
• No Regrets / Realizations on Commitment: [10:45]–[13:51]
• After The Final Rose Recap: [20:43]–[24:31]
• Defining Commitment/Plans: [24:31]–[28:07]
• Life & Dating After the Show: [35:39]–[39:23]
• Breakup Advice (Sock Drawer & Puppy): [39:23]–[40:53]
• Mansion Sisterhood & Favorite Memories: [43:26]–[45:32]

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Tone & Concluding Thoughts

Throughout the episode, Cindy exudes warmth, humor, and remarkable self-awareness, making her both relatable and aspirational. Joe and Serena ask direct but empathetic questions, bringing out deeply personal insights and lighthearted moments alike.

Closing sentiment:

"It’s the single most important thing you could do: pick your partner."
– Cindy ([46:11])

Cindy leaves listeners with the sense that, though her Bachelor journey didn’t end in partnership, her sense of self, family, and friendship offer a richer, fuller form of happily ever after—with plenty of room for new adventures.

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Transcript

[Cindy]

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[Joe]

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[Cindy]

I'm Joe.

[Serena]

And I'm Serena.

[Joe]

And we are back for part two with Sarah. Cindy. Let's get into it.

[Cindy]

I can't say anything bad about that man. I'll be honest. Even, you know, after experiencing what I did with him, I thought he was a little short with me on the hot seat, to be honest. That I didn't deserve. But in general. Okay, thanks. No, I. I think he's. He's a high quality guy. He's smart, he's kind, he's family oriented, he's caring, he's funny, he's like, I mean, curious. There's. I can't say anything bad about him.

[Joe]

What did your.

[Serena]

We're going to ask the same question.

[Joe]

No, I Want. I wonder if we are going to ask the same question. I was going to ask, what did your daughters think of? What did they tell you after they met him? What did they think of him?

[Serena]

That's what I was going to ask.

[Cindy]

Question.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Cindy]

I'm curious why you want to know that question right now.

[Joe]

Because you, because, because you speak very highly of Mel and I'm just curious if, if your daughters felt the same way about him.

[Cindy]

They did not. They did not. And interestingly enough, now we're getting somewhere. Wow. I would have to finish it up after this. So my daughters and my son in laws, because it's not just the gals, it's. Those guys are protective of me too. They're protective of me, right? And we've been through several relationships, so they're no longer shocked to see me with a man. They're no longer so overprotective, you know, just because they don't want to see me hurt. They really do want to see me fall in love and be in love and understand that being hurt sometimes can happen in relationships. And it was a very short time period. So they got to all meet Mel and chat with him on the show. You saw, you know, Sarah and I having a conversation and she felt like maybe Mel wasn't quite there yet. But what's interesting, she's the only one I talked to after they spoke with Mel. The others, when they hugged me on the way out, the girls were hugging me, mom, you know we believe in you, but use your discernment and the word discernment. All three of them said the same word to me. And I thought, that's just crazy. Where's that word coming from in our family? Judgment is right and wrong. Discernment. There's no value statement to it. It's what is right for you. And I didn't, I couldn't understand maybe what they heard or what they saw with Mel. And I even asked him several times, like, how did I go with my kids? And I'm thinking what really happened? Because I could get a disturbance in the force, so to speak, that there was something up. And then when I came out of the show and I had a chance to get my phone back and obviously call my kids, they were like, you know, they were relieved because they were worried for me. They didn't think that he was the right fit for me. It was, it was unanimous. And they're like, we would have, you know, given him more time and we could tell that he wasn't as forthcoming as they would have Liked to have seen at that stage. But back to your point, you know, maybe if he had been on the show and known how important that time was, he would have experienced hometowns differently, and my kids would have experienced a different male. Because I. I know. I know that they would. They would love them, given more time. The male that I've known, my kids would be thrilled with, but they just. They didn't see it in that. That period of time.

[Serena]

Yeah. And it is such a high pressure situation. Hometowns. You're getting so little time to kind of meet the most important people in your life. So I would imagine there's a lot of pressure.

[Cindy]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Okay, so you want to go?

[Cindy]

Same question again, I wonder.

[Joe]

No, probably. Actually, maybe. Maybe. So ultimately, you. You send yourself home in that moment. Like, you get into, like, you. You leave. You get into the Suburban, whatever car that is. The suburban, whatever the Tahoe. I don't know what. I don't know what they're using. Are you all right? Do you. In your. In your gut, do you feel like you made the right decision?

[Cindy]

Okay, let me go back to that moment. So I'm on the dock having dinner, knowing that I have to leave, and I'm, you know, I try to not be aware of any of the cameramen and any of the sound people and the producers. Right. You just have to. From the entire show, you have to just pretend like it's your real life. Because it is. We're dealing with my real life on camera. But I just became aware of, I can't stay here any longer. But how do I get off? You know, the way. The next step is for him to give, to read the fantasy card and for us to walk off and go to the fantasy suite together. And that's not going to happen. Do I have the power to leave? Can I leave? Like, what can I do? I mean, there's nothing strapping me down, but, you know, in this mode, you're kind of just thinking, you know, you. You were told to come have this dinner at the table, and you're having this conversation, and I just knew I couldn't stay. And then the fireworks went off, adding insult to injury. That was really, you know.

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[Serena]

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[Cindy]

Yeah. So it was chaos. It was absolute chaos. And even though I knew I had created chaos for these amazing people who are putting the show together. I was sorry, but I wasn't going back. And I had, I really had turned the corner and made my decision and just decided that I want a long term relationship. If I'm going to put this much in at this stage and he still doesn't know, then he's probably not my guy. Very, very the heart. One of the hardest things I remember ever doing.

[Serena]

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[Cindy]

I have, I have no regrets about going to the Fantasy Suite. I wish, I wish nothing but the best for Mel, Mel and Peg. And that's how I know what I feel for him is very genuine. Like that true love. The true love where, you know, much as I want it to be me, I just want him to be happy. And I, here's something I learned a long ago and I think men and women have the potential to grow from this, but it's kind of a lot. Are you ready for it?

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[Serena]

Ready.

[Cindy]

There's, there's some. There are people in our lives who want to share time with us. Why wouldn't they? We live great lives. We're fun to be around. We add, you know, color to, to every situation. So there are people who want to share lives with us and there are other people who will commit to us. And knowing the difference between those two can save you a lot of heartache and a lot of confusion, years of it. And I carry that with me because I've been in relationships where they want to share time with me. And that's great. But at some point if you want to stick around, you got to commit. And I just, you know, I see there's two different phases in people, not two different people. I think you could still have somebody who wants to share time with you eventually want to commit, but I just didn't. I wasn't getting that feeling from Mel.

[Serena]

Yeah. So should we jump to afr?

[Cindy]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Well, before we jump to afr, so I like what you just said there. And like, I guess moving forward in your dating life, how, how are you gonna figure that out when you meet someone? Like, like, what's, how do, how do you know? Like, how do you know the difference? And like.

[Cindy]

Yeah, I think, I think it was my roommate Monica. Monica B. Said to me, girl, do you know the only men who are going to date you want to be in a relationship? Like anybody who's seen the show is going to be scared to date me unless they're going to be serious. And, you know, I'll go. There are buckets in my life. I still have dating buckets. I have people that I'll date to have fun. And we'll go and do galas together or football games or fun things together. And I don't necessarily have to be serious with them. But when I find someone who aligns the way I felt like Mel was aligning, you know, I wanted, I wanted more. And, you know, if the, if the sun, moon and stars ever align again, I'm going to want more from that relationship. And it will beg the question again at that moment, you know, if both of us are on the same page, we'll move forward. But what if not? Will I still walk away? That. I think that will be the biggest test. Like if faced with the same situation again, will I still walk away?

[Serena]

I feel like you will because you clearly are someone that knows what they want and what they're looking for.

[Cindy]

I would hope so. I mean, at 60 years old, I think you, you, you should have a better understanding and, and not that things can't change, right? Things will change. And every season of our lives, like next month could be different. But I know what I want now. And I believe that I have judgment enough, discernment enough, so to speak, to be able to predict what will be successful as a relationship for me and my family moving forward. Right. It's, it's, you know, as a golden. You carry the responsibility of trying not to mess up your kids and their lives and your friends even. You know, how, how do these people. How would a new relationship, a new partner integrate with the friend group? You know?

[Serena]

Yeah, definitely.

[Joe]

I think you'll know. But what do I know? Maybe you'll make a mistake. Who knows?

[Cindy]

Stay tuned.

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[Cindy]

Months. Months. Yeah. You know, I I knew I had to come back for that taping. And it wasn't until the tell all that I realized, wow, I'M gonna have to share a couch with him.

[Serena]

Yeah, yeah.

[Cindy]

And, yeah, there was a lot of trepidation. I didn't know how I would feel. I didn't. You know, I didn't. I didn't know what that would be like for me. And it's hard to say that I was looking forward to it because he's with another woman. Right. That sounds a little creepy. So I didn't want to, you know, be excited about sitting next to him because he belongs to someone else and I've got strong boundaries there. Yeah, it was, I tell you, when I walked out on stage, grateful for the audience response and especially those women, you know, and my kids, that was great. And then from. From that moment on, I kind of blacked out. You know, Everything that I wanted to say, I didn't say.

[Serena]

And what do you think?

[Cindy]

I had to. What I wish I had said that night. I mean, I think it turned. Yeah.

[Joe]

Go fuck yourself. That's. Go fuck yourself. I'm over you.

[Serena]

This is not what you would say, Joe. This is what Cindy would say.

[Joe]

I actually didn't go to the fancy suite because I didn't even like you.

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[Cindy]

Yeah, I. I wish I. Mel wasn't in a moment where he would have heard me either. And I'm a big believer that I, you know, I'm not gonna hug you and slap you at the same time. And, you know, if. If there's something hard to say, I'll try to figure out a way to wrap it in feathers to say it to you and make it kind. And Mel just was in a mode that day where I feel like he. He wasn't going to. Definitely wasn't going to learn anything from me, let's just put it that way. And he came with his own idea of what happened, and I wasn't gonna. I wasn't gonna change it.

[Serena]

Mel seems to really believe that going to the fantasy suite and being able to talk off camera could have potentially answered your questions and eased your concerns. Do you. You don't seem to be aligned on that. Like, it seems like you feel very confident that there was no benefit to you going to the fantasy suite. Yeah, I guess. Just how do you feel about that? Like, you guys didn't really seem to come to a common ground on that topic.

[Cindy]

I feel that Mel wouldn't answer the question. Like, would the fantasy suite have changed your mind about making a commitment? Nobody's asked him that. And if you do ask him that, he'll deflect and say, but, you know, you Gotta play it till the end. And. But if the fantasy suite. If I felt the fantasy suite would have changed his mind to make a commitment, then maybe. But he was so adamant with me at the dinner. Are there questions, Are there things like what happened in my divorce? What happened in his divorce? Tell me the details of what you know, some of the trauma that you've gone through. These are details that are very, very important. But at this stage, I knew enough about him that I was crazy about him. And that would just be texture in the relationship. It wouldn't change the direction of my relationship with him. If that makes sense.

[Serena]

Yeah, it does make sense.

[Cindy]

Yes. So I was interested in knowing the texture. But again, back to the comment of I'm not going to spend time with him, I want to commit to him and he just wanted to stay on the other side of the road spending time with me. And I'm grateful I didn't end up with a promise ring. That, that does not work for me.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Cindy]

Can I tell you a little story? And I'm not sure if I have permission from my son in law to do this. So, you know, forgive me. Great.

[Joe]

Even better.

[Cindy]

I think it's good. Very close to my kids and to their husbands and I'm so grateful for their relationship. And my son in law shared with me how important it was for him to be engaged to my daughter and to move from that this is my girlfriend conversation to this is my fiance. And then he doubled down when he got to say, this is my wife. And there is such a pride for a man in some men, maybe in the man that I want to be able to make a claim of you. So to have this is my person and whatever that vocabulary that's special to you. I love, I love the way that that feels to a man and feels to a woman. It feels, or forget the genders feels in a relationship to, to want to claim them as part of your life. And so that's the commit instead of the share your life for me, like whatever that looks like. It doesn't have to be the, the wedding dress. It can look a lot differently. But Mel was, was clearly in the share your life stage.

[Serena]

Yeah. We see on AFR that you express what commitment looked like for you and the actions that you planned to take to show that you were committing, which maybe to some people's surprise wasn't necessarily, you know, an engagement in a wedding. You said, I will move to you. We don't have to move in together. Kind of aligning with that slower pace that he maybe is comfortable with, we can develop our relationship in the same city. We can spend time with our kids. And it was nice, actually, as a viewer, to hear you kind of list out those things of like, this is what commitment looks like to me. This is what I'm interested in doing for you and for us. And he responded with, I think he said, that doesn't interest me, or I'm not interested in that.

[Cindy]

Yeah, that's what he said at the afr. Yeah.

[Serena]

Did that surprise you?

[Cindy]

Yeah, it definitely did. I had also gotten a comment from him like, you've lived there 30 years. You would leave your life. This goes less to the commitment side as for me, and more to. More to the side of wanting him. You asked me before what I wanted to hear from him. I wanted to hear that he had thought about a plan. So this was kind of more about the plans that we could do. This wasn't like, this is what we have to do. Step one, step two. But I told him I was definitely willing to live in California. I'd still have roots in Austin. I'd still have my friends in Austin. I'd still go back to Austin. It's, you know, I could still figure out what life would look like that way, but I would be willing to make those steps. And he had nothing else for me. He had no idea of, you know, other than, I've got to get two years down the road to get my boys, you know, out of, you know, situated. And by the way, I've been through that process with the kids, and I, you know, I might be able to help you with a thing or two. I think my kids turned out pretty spectacular, not without bumps, but you might want to align yourself with somebody who could help you with that and not intrude with it, but integrate into it. And I just don't think he had thought about it.

[Joe]

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, it seems that way. It really, like, you're. The way you're thinking about this entire situation. If you were my mother, that would have been the advice I would have given you going on the show. Because it's like, the show's great and it works and it's. Yeah, yeah, it's. Love this, that. But, like, when you get off the show, like, you do need to have a plan, because, like, if you don't, it's not going to work. Like, we see it all the time where people like, oh, shit, like, we live in different cities and we, you know, and then, like, you know, within. Within three, four months of being separated it just doesn't work.

[Cindy]

So like, yeah, you have to keep.

[Serena]

The momentum from the show going. And once the show's done, it's not on the date producers or the, you know, the director, anyone, it's on you to figure it out, how to do it.

[Joe]

Yeah. And I think you, I think you really went about this whole process the right way. You know, you didn't end up getting the happy ending that you want it. But like, you shouldn't have any regrets because I do think you did it the right way.

[Serena]

Yeah, I agree. I also think the happy, and it's.

[Joe]

Coming from a guy who's been very successful on the show.

[Cindy]

I really, I really. That means the world to me. Thank you for saying that. Especially from a male's perspective too. I thank you for saying that.

[Joe]

Of course.

[Serena]

I think that the happy ending you're looking for potentially wasn't on the table in this situation. I don't think, and I don't think it was the guy that was meant for you either. But I feel like you're definitely gonna, you're gonna find it for sure. You're gonna, you're gonna get everything that you're looking for because you're not asking for too much. You're not asking for a miracle. It's, it's very practical.

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[Serena]

Are you one of those people that starts your holiday shopping in like, July?

[Cindy]

July?

[Joe]

I mean, no, never. Like, I, I, I like to shop, actually, I like to shop on Christmas Eve because I find it to be a little more festive.

[Serena]

But you, like, start decorating right after Halloween?

[Joe]

No, after Thanksgiving. Okay, that's different. That's different. Halloween? No, not Halloween.

[Serena]

You know, I consider myself to be a pretty good gift giver. I've got my list and I've checked.

[Joe]

It twice, probably three times. She takes the holidays very seriously.

[Serena]

I can't help it. You know, I love finding the perfect gifts for everyone. And Walmart has all the top brands. Nespresso, Sonos, Nintendo.

[Joe]

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[Joe]

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[Joe]

Okay, so what, what is, what is next for you? What's dating life look like?

[Cindy]

I'm just free for a week and I got my first day out. I got that drink, so there's hope. You know, I'm not sure. And there might be a period of time where I just go and have fun with my friends and see what happens. I think dating apps develop some bad habits and I don't see myself back on a dating app necessarily to find men. So I don't know how I'm going to bump into them. I'm waiting for the universe to help me out a little bit with that. I don't, I don't know, I'm just gonna continue to be me. And I've gone through phases of my life where, and this might be another one, it's okay just to be Cindy Poo. I'm telling you, my life is pretty spectacular and if a man snuggles up to me and we can make it work, that's great. But other than that, I'm not gonna wait or change my life. I mean, I've got. I've already been to several football games and concerts and dinners and, you know, two trips, three trips to la. I see my kids all the time. My life won't change that way. I just really was hoping that I could have come out of this with a partner.

[Serena]

What would your daughters love? What kind of guy would your daughters love to see you with? If they could build their dream man for you, what would he be like?

[Cindy]

Somebody who uses a few more words. Sports are a big part of my life. So somebody who enjoys watching sports, going to sports, concerts, who's active, likes to travel, but is family focused, like can sit around and do a puzzle, who could have deep conversations. I'd love somebody who plays golf because my son in laws like to play golf. That'd be fun. Give more time for the girls. Just somebody who could just more easily integrate into our life and is willing to share their life with us. And I think that they've seen me go through several relationships where there's a partition between, you know, especially when it comes to kids and time with kids. Like, well, maybe you go see your kids this weekend and I'll go see my kids the same weekend. And I think, you know, I want something, we could do it all together and it's fair. Yeah, I'm not sure that's a great question. I. I might have to figure that out. Stay tuned. Ask me in a couple months how it's going.

[Serena]

Would you ever consider being the Golden Bachelorette? If they asked you, do you think.

[Cindy]

They could find 30 hot guys for me?

[Serena]

I hope so. At least.

[Joe]

I mean, they could. At least. At least seven. You only need to pick one.

[Cindy]

Yes. You'd have to be able to commit. That's the whole question. I think there's a lot of women who deserve to find love out there in our golden years. And I think the bigger question is, you know, what is it that the show can yield and what can it show either goldens or youngers or the whole world about this process, this stage of our life? Right. And so I think we need to think about the next golden bachelor or Bachelorette from that frame and then find somebody that you could build, you know, stories around. And of course, it'd be great to show great dresses and great, great trips and great people. But, you know, what do we really want to. To highlight in those, you know, in showing this dating life and in these decisions that we go through from Goldens. And what's interesting, like, I have some breakup advice, for example. Can I give you some breakup advice?

[Joe]

You could, yeah.

[Cindy]

Because I literally. My kids reminded me of this the other day when they were in middle school. One of their friends broke up with the first boyfriend, and she was just sad. We were sitting on. They were sitting on the couch, and I was, like, trying to pep them up. And I came down and, you know, this is the first boyfriend they've ever had. And I said, you know, there's. There's three steps to getting over a broken heart. They were like, oh, tell me more, you know, wise woman. And I said, three steps. Three steps. I was making it up on the fly. But it's true. Step one, you gotta cry. You gotta feel those feelings and get through it. Right? I've been doing that in my life. Step two, you gotta organize your sock drawer. And I mean this because there's a lot of stuff that while you're in a relationship, you don't do. You maybe neglect some friends. Maybe you aren't paying attention because you're, you know, you're spending time in their relationship. So get back to organizing your sock drawer and taking care of those things that you may. May have neglected. And then the third is buy a puppy. And I don't mean buy a puppy. I mean, go find your happiness again. Go find your joy.

[Serena]

That's great. I love that.

[Cindy]

Somewhere between organizing my sock drawer and buying a puppy. Well, that.

[Joe]

You made that up on the spot. I mean, that's.

[Serena]

Yeah, that's very impressive.

[Joe]

Is very wise.

[Cindy]

It's stuck. It's. People think that I was so staged and so, you know, performative on the show. I'm like, oh, really? That's kind of how I. That's kind of how I talk.

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[Serena]

I didn't find that. That's so.

[Cindy]

Okay, good, good.

[Joe]

Let's real quick. I want to just, like, circle back. Did you watch the women tell all I did. Was there anything that came out during the women tell all that shocked you that you didn't. That you didn't know about?

[Cindy]

Oh, gosh. Give me some options of what. I might have been shocked, I guess.

[Joe]

Well, like, what was the big. I guess the big Part of Women Tell all was the beginning with Nicole. All the Nicole drama or any, you know, like, regarding. Yeah, Nicole. Debbie.

[Cindy]

Listen, let me just. First of all, Nicole is a good friend of mine, and we were early friends, and we're good friends, and I taste.

[Joe]

She's great, by the way. We had her on the podcast, and she's great.

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[Cindy]

I tasted the lemon bars. She could take full credit for them. They were not anything to write to them about. There's a hot take for you.

[Serena]

Oh, my God, that's so funny.

[Joe]

I love that. Nicole, if you're listening, you better work on those lemon bars.

[Cindy]

Yeah, well, you know, to be fair, she had none of her recipes with her, so. Yeah, she was. She's doing it on the fly.

[Serena]

Maybe that's why Mel sent her home. He was like, ah, these didn't live up to the hype. It's time to cut her.

[Cindy]

Now. My Bolognese. You could ask the crew about my bolognese. It was a pretty big hit.

[Joe]

Really? How do you. How do you. Can you give me a quick. How do you make it?

[Serena]

Joe's Italian.

[Cindy]

Oh, you too. Okay. So we were dealing with mansion food. Okay. So I only had ground beef. I would normally do several different types of ground lamb, pork, maybe bison, something like that, depending on how much. And then you got to cut your. Your carrots and your celery. Very small dice, like almost.

[Joe]

And onion. You don't do onion as well?

[Cindy]

I do less onion than you think.

[Serena]

Okay, that's good for you. You don't really like onion.

[Joe]

Yeah, but in my sofrito, I use onion.

[Cindy]

Yes. And I set up really big. I mean, really small. And you just cook it down. Just cook it down more than you think. And, you know, tomato paste and just really whatever the mansion had, we had to throw in there and just kind of play with it. So we got lucky. But it was pretty tasty for no recipe and no strong ingredients. Turned out okay. Parmesan. I put a lot of Parmesan on top and it was perfect.

[Joe]

That's the key.

[Serena]

Yeah. That is the key to end this podcast on a positive note. Can you tell us kind of one of your favorite memories from being on the show and what you'll take away from it?

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[Cindy]

Yeah. Wow. Okay. One of my favorite memories was being in my room, and my roommates are Alessandra, Alex, Lever, Diane. Hello. Funniest woman, Monica B. And Terry. I mean, Monica B. This woman, she would keep me up all night with. Just loved our soft conversations. Great room. But the bathroom that we had. I'm really hopeful for this makeover, this mansion makeover. I can't wait to see it. My bathroom had a mirror about this big. It was tiny and it was mounted so high so my beautiful, tall Monica B. Could see herself just perfectly. I saw literally this much of my face and it was so I never knew how I looked. And so I always relied on my women to make sure everything was tucked in, to make sure things were right. And that's why it was really devastating to me when they in my room, when everyone from my room was at home. And the big tear. It's getting real. This one. It's getting real was because. Not because of Mel, but that was because it's getting real because I had to focus on Mel because it could no longer be just about those friendships.

[Serena]

Yeah. That mansion needs a makeover. It's long overdue and I'm so excited to see it. And I hope that they included some big ass mirrors because the girls deserve that.

[Cindy]

We need them.

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[Cindy]

Yeah. And we also my. My next door. So I was usually the first one up at the last one to go to bed. Last one to go to bed means I just would go listen to room and see who's still awake. And the party room was always Robin, Jerry, Carol, and Amy. Oh, my gosh. I think that's why I'm so incredibly close to them. I'd knock on the door, you can't walk across the floor. Jerry's like, come over here. Come lay in my bed with me. I'm like, I'll be impaled by a high heel. So Robin was closest. I'm like, scoot over, Robin. And yeah, it's just some of our favorite memories were late into the night just talking and getting to know each other and. And we all live by ourselves. We're grown ass women and we got to go back and live with some other women with like minded and it was a privilege.

[Serena]

Oh, that's so fun.

[Joe]

Well, Cindy, this was really great. It was lovely getting to meet you and talk to you and I think you're going to be just fine. You're probably going to find a guy like tonight.

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[Cindy]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Thank you for taking the time and coming on our podcast.

[Cindy]

Thank you. You guys do such a lovely job and you really bring out some interesting aspects to the whole story behind what is the bachelor story. And I thank you for that because it's really compelling and it's really important. It's the single most important thing you could do. Is pick your partner.

[Joe]

Thank you so much and thank you to our listeners. Thank you guys for tuning in to Bet yout Happy Hour. Make sure you download and subscribe to the podcast.

[Serena]

We have new and exclusive interviews for you every single. Thanks for listening.

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