Cindy’s Truth About Mel & Peg | Golden Hour

Summary

Bachelor Happy Hour: Cindy’s Truth About Mel & Peg | Golden Hour

Date: February 11, 2026
Hosts: Susan, Kathy (guest hosts for Charity & Rachel)
Guest: Cindy (Golden Bachelor Season 2 cast)

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Overview

In this deeply engaging episode, Susan and Kathy welcome Cindy from Mel’s season of Golden Bachelor to discuss her journey post-show, the real story behind her breakup with Mel, her complicated feelings toward Peg, and the dynamics among the Golden Bachelor cast. Cindy opens up about heartbreak, standing in her truth, the support she’s found, and her hopes for moving forward, offering honest reflections on what “Golden” life and love look like.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Life After the Finale

[06:47 – 07:41]

• Cindy shares that she felt she lost touch with her real life during the show and only began to reconnect with herself months after filming ended.
• She highlights a period of intensive podcast appearances and the difficulty of reliving the show, followed by a restorative break with her family.

“I left my life behind and I just didn't catch up to it again until November... I’ve just in this last month started to put my real life back.”
— Cindy [07:11]

2. Impact on Family and Support System

[07:48 – 10:10]

• Cindy explains her bond with her children and how the show shifted their family dynamic; her children now often give her advice.
• She recounts the moment her kids met Mel, sharing their immediate negative impression. She says they even recorded a video expressing their hope that Cindy wouldn’t end up with him.

“Afterwards...they just were like, dear Lord, please don't let my mom be in a relationship with him.”
— Cindy [09:37]

3. Processing Heartbreak and Moving On

[10:26 – 11:13]

• Cindy admits that despite making the decision to end it with Mel, it was still a heartbreak given her emotional investment.

“It really was a heartbreak for me... Even though that was my decision to walk away, I was really invested. I really hoped that that was going to be him.”
— Cindy [11:05]

4. Decision Not to Go to the Fantasy Suite

[11:15 – 12:01]

• Cindy stands by her decision to not spend the night in the Fantasy Suite, stating she had already learned what she needed about her compatibility with Mel.

“I learned what I needed to know before going to the Fantasy suite... I knew enough at that time that we are not aligned.”
— Cindy [11:42]

5. Setting the Record Straight: Mel, Peg, and Surprising Podcast Claims

[12:01 – 13:30]

• Cindy refutes Mel’s public claim that all she wanted was marriage, explaining she was seeking a true partner, not just a ring.
• She reveals both she and Peg have blocked her, and notes Bachelor Nation still keeps her updated on rumors.

“They want exactly nothing the same. They want no responsibility... I’ve spent a lot of time and energy focusing on knowing what I want... I have been blocked by Peg and Mel a long time. It's been a blessing for me.”
— Cindy [12:40, 12:54]

6. Cindy & Peg: House Dynamics & “Mean Girl” Behavior

[14:07 – 14:58]

• Cindy describes intentionally keeping her distance from Peg and alludes to negative behavior in the house, aligning herself with Nicole (who was, she says, unfairly portrayed).
• She and Kathy discuss the issue of bullying within the “Golden” crowd.

“She is the only one in the house that I stayed away from... I have great friends up and down. She certainly was, kind of had some ill intent... and I didn't trust her.”
— Cindy [14:20, 14:43]

7. On Bullying and Choosing Better

[21:14 – 22:42]

• Cindy addresses ongoing claims that Peg bullied another cast member, emphasizing that mean girl behavior persists even among mature women.

“For all of you young girls out there who believe that this doesn't happen, that bullying and mean girl behavior doesn't happen when you're golden, you're wrong... as a golden, as somebody who knows better, I choose better.”
— Cindy [21:33]

8. Responding to Continued Shade from Mel & Peg

[22:46 – 24:23]

• Kathy asks why, if Mel and Peg are so happy, they continue to mention Cindy on other podcasts. Cindy questions the need, reiterating that both things (moving on vs. still feeling slighted) cannot be true.

“If you're in love with Peg, it's always been Peg. Why do you give a flip if I walked out on you?”
— Cindy [23:28]

9. Moving Forward: Blocked by Mel & Peg, But Finding Community

[25:17 – 28:13]

• Cindy explains she doesn’t know why she and Kathy are blocked by Mel and Peg, but sees it as a blessing, allowing her to move on.
• She discusses the importance of the friendships formed with other women from the show, describing trips and her deep appreciation for the supportive cast community.

“The love story for me of the whole season for sure is getting to know these women.”
— Cindy [28:16]

10. Last Words on the Drama

[34:23 – 36:58]

• Before closing the discussion, Kathy invites Cindy to make a final statement to settle the drama for good.

“I am meant for something else. I'm not meant for the relationship that I was seeing with Mel... I just wish that they would just have their happiness and leave me out of it. I've not brought them into it. I've not talked shade about them... It's just time to move on.”
— Cindy [36:13]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On accepting heartbreak and new perspectives:
  “I think I have a newfound perspective of how strong I am... I'm still saying yes to the opportunities in front of me and the life is still delivering a lot of fun.”
  — Cindy [07:48]

• On friends and support among women:
  “Everyone is so different... but they are so present in their lives. It's just been a treat to get to know these women and I truly cherish it.”
  — Cindy [28:16]

• On being okay with being single:
  “I have more confidence than ever just being okay being single... if I find someone, great. If I never find someone, you're okay. It's a pretty good option.”
  — Cindy [38:45]

• On worth and expectations in love:
  “You guys should cheer super loud if I ever connect my life to someone else because it means that he was extra special to supersede my relationships with all of you guys or at least come into parity.”
  — Cindy [40:42]

• On the difficulty of walking away:
  “It was one of the harder things I found myself doing... I'm not going to let him pull that fantasy card out and ask me... I’m not staying.”
  — Cindy [43:10]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Life after the show & reconnecting: 06:47 – 07:41
• Family’s reaction to Mel: 08:24 – 10:10
• Fantasy Suite decision: 11:13 – 12:01
• Addressing podcast rumors, blocking: 12:01 – 13:30
• Relationship with Peg & house drama: 14:07 – 14:58
• Reflections on bullying: 21:14 – 22:42
• Final word on moving on: 34:23 – 36:58
• Dating & what’s next: 37:05 – 38:45
• Being happy alone: 38:45 – 40:42

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Tone & Takeaway

This episode is candid, warm, and laced with humor and wisdom. Cindy is open about her vulnerabilities but clear-eyed about the lessons she’s learned, the value of self-respect, and the strength of community among women. The hosts, Susan and Kathy, foster an atmosphere of support and real talk, making this episode a must-hear for anyone curious about the real stories behind reality TV.

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For New Listeners

If you’ve ever wondered what happens to Bachelor contestants after the dramatic rose ceremonies, or how relationships and reputations are navigated in the spotlight, this episode offers rare honesty, heart, and hope — with plenty of Bachelor-level tea and an empowering golden perspective.

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[Susan]

Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hours golden hour. Thanks so much for joining us today. We're gonna have fun today, aren't we, Kat?

[Kathy]

We are gonna have so much fun. First of all, we've. I'm still. I'm frozen. I have a sweatshirt on because I'm so cold. Is it cold where you are, Susan?

[Susan]

Kathy? It has to be 60 or 70 where you are. She gets cold in the 60s. Here we just hit 30. Congratulation.

[Kathy]

There's. That's, that's just, that's reverse hell is what that is. We've been in the teens. All right, well, today we have a very special guest. She is actually my neighbor in Austin, Texas. Please welcome from Mel, season of the Golden Bachelor, Cindy. Hi, Cindy, Welcome.

[Susan]

Welcome.

[Cindy]

Thank you so much for asking. On.

[Kathy]

Is that hair a wig?

[Cindy]

I swear it's all you, but I'm getting it done. We're looking at the final days of it.

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[Cindy]

She's going to get a little shorter change. Anyway, we're doing.

[Susan]

It's beautiful.

[Kathy]

You look gorgeous.

[Susan]

How are you?

[Kathy]

We. How are you? How's life? Because we're about to get into some big stuff here. We're going to get to town.

[Cindy]

I'm do. I'm doing great. Listen, my life has moved on and I'm, I'm as, as you guys know, I'm. I'm living my life and I'm grateful that you invited me on. The timing is ironic. I don't think either any of us would have predicted this, but it might be perfect time.

[Kathy]

It might. Okay, I just have a conversation. I just want to say for anyone who doesn't know Cindy. I've gone out with Cindy a few times in Austin. We've gone to dinner. We've. Cindy is amazing. First of all, she knows everyone in Austin. She can get you a dinner reservation at any restaurant you want in Austin. But I have to tell the story, Cindy, before we get into it, Cindy and I went out with a couple of her girlfriends, I don't know, a few weeks ago.

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And Cindy, we went to dinner, we went to a show, and then we went to this hotspot bar, which I won't mention by name. And. Yep. And Cindy says, girls, and she looked, you know, hot, as she always does. And Cindy goes, we're all going to have a drink and there's going to be guys in there that'll want to buy us all drinks. And I'm like, no way.

[Cindy]

No. That was you. That was you. I'm going to stop the story right now. You said, cindy, go to the bar. Those two guys are checking us out. You need to go to the bar now. You can pick the rest of the story up.

[Kathy]

Okay, Okay. I said that. Checking you out, Cindy. I did not say anything about me. I was dressed in a kilt and loafers.

[Susan]

Oh, stop.

[Kathy]

So Cindy goes over to the bar, this very good looking guy starts chatting her up. And the rest of us are sitting there going, yep, just watch Cindy do her magic work. And what happens, literally two minutes later, drinks are delivered to our table from the guy. So do not mess with Cindy because what she says is going to happen is going to happen.

[Cindy]

Now have you got to learn how to manifest? Got to learn how to manifest in this?

[Kathy]

All right, so now with that, did.

[Susan]

You have a board ever.

[Kathy]

As that is in the tr. We are going to get into it today. All right, Cindy, I don't even know where to begin, but I can't believe.

[Susan]

It'S a few months ago that I.

[Kathy]

Know the finale was just a few months ago. How has life been for you? Start, just start at the beginning.

[Cindy]

Since the finale. I mean, I tell you, going through, you guys know, like once you're on the show, you tape it, you film it, you get off the show whenever you get off and you can't say anything about it until really you're off the episodes. And for me that was till the very drop dead end. And I spent, you know, I feel like I've. I've dedicated a good portion of last 2025 to the show because I left my life behind and I just didn't catch up to it again until November. So I had November and part of December, just I did a ton of podcasts in that time and relived it all. And then from December, I kind of asked to take a pause when my family was here and you guys invited me to come on here today. So I've just in this last month started to put my real life back.

[Susan]

Real life. Right, right. What has changed for you since coming off the show?

[Cindy]

I think I have a newfound perspective of how strong I am, how much I really do know what I want and that I'm still saying yes to the opportunities in front of me and the life is still delivering a lot of fun. My kids have been amazing. I've learned, you know, I've learned to really listen to my kids too. Like they've been leaning on me for advice for all these years and, and now I really feel like I can lean on them for advice. So that's.

[Kathy]

What did your kids say? What have your kids said since you've come off the show? What are their thoughts on what's been going on?

[Cindy]

Okay, so I've mentioned this before, maybe one or two podcasts, but you know, they did not like him.

[Kathy]

Wait, could we just. Who is him? Just so you know, in case.

[Cindy]

Mr. Mel Owens.

[Kathy]

Okay.

[Cindy]

Bachelor season two. So he had a chance to meet. He meaning Mel Owens. That's a chance to meet my three kids and my two son in laws. And after the taping and you know, we saw what we saw on tv, but there's a lot that goes on behind there. And I didn't get to see them after they left. I really, they just like we had our own thing here actually up here in my condo. And so my kids went and debriefed. That was a lot for them. Right? They're not in, they're not on a TV show. This was all new to them. It happened fast. They're all mic. They're meeting this person who's dating their mom and they know it must be final three or so they know it's getting serious. I mean, this is their mom. And so they go to eat at this great Mexican place, Kathy, you would know it. And afterwards, it was after one margarita for sure. Maybe two margaritas, you're dead.

[Kathy]

I know exactly what you're talking about. After two you're dead. But keep on.

[Cindy]

Yeah, after two you're dead. They were out on the patio drinking margaritas and they had the, they had the vision to make a video and they just started the video and said, okay, Sarah, what do you think about Mel? Emily, what do you think about Mel? Caroline asked all five of them. So it is a, it is a documented. Right after they met. What do they think about him? And they just were like, dear Lord, please don't let my mom be in a relationship with him.

[Kathy]

Wow.

[Cindy]

So they are clicking their heels right about now, so grateful that he's not a part of our lives.

[Susan]

Wow. Wow. I know when you came home, you were just, I'm sure, in a certain way, not even feeling like yourself. What everything that you just witnessed and decided to do. What did the girls say to you at that point?

[Cindy]

Thank God you didn't. Yes, that's exactly what.

[Susan]

And did you feel that way then?

[Cindy]

Susan, I'm so glad you're actually talking about this, because this has been one of those mind shifts that I've had to deal with. I can tell none of my friends know what happened. My kids know what happened, and they hated him. So there was really nobody in my life that was able to talk about and help me process. I mean, they did, but in a different way that it really was a heartbreak for me. Like, I had hoped that this man that I had met and I watched the Bachelor shore up and create these dates and this, you know, who I thought he was. And now I decided to leave. It's still a heartbreak. Even though that was my decision to walk away, I was really invested. I really hoped that that was going to be him.

[Susan]

You were up to the last. Yeah.

[Kathy]

Okay, so I, I, I know you've answered this on other shows, but just once and for all, because our podcast is the definitive answer to all things. Cindy and Mel. Do you regret. And you know, I asked you this privately, but let's do it on the podcast. Do you regret not going to the Fantasy Suite with him? Do you think things would have been different had you gone?

[Cindy]

I learned what I needed to know before going to the Fantasy suite. And could he have filled in some of the details, some of the intricacies? Of course. Like we have, like I said before, we have a lifetime of learning ahead of us. I knew enough at that time that he was not my. We are not aligned.

[Kathy]

Okay. So I'm just going to say now for everyone listening that I don't really know what's going on in the world of Mel and Peg because they've blocked me. And I don't know why. I'm just putting it out there. But I have a question about when I heard Mel on Ben and Ashley's podcast.

[Susan]

Podcast.

[Kathy]

He said that all you wanted was marriage. I didn't hear that. So I want you to clarify that, too. Did. Is that what you said? You just wanted marriage?

[Cindy]

No. No, that's not. I know it's not what I wanted. And I didn't even necessarily need an engagement by the end of the week. But this man hadn't thought about his life with anybody in it. He was committed, admittedly, to kind of figure out what he wants. I don't. Okay. He and Peg have found each other. And water. Water finds its own level. And so I think that they are. Well, they are well matched. They. They want exactly nothing the same. They. They want no responsibility. No. And they may move forward. They may change their minds. More power to them. I've spent a lot of time and a lot of energy focusing on knowing what I want. And I already learned that's. That's. That's not what I wanted. And so I, too, have been blocked by Peg and Mouth a long time. It's been a blessing for me. I do hear what's going on because Bachelor Nation is a real thing.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Cindy]

And I have people who are watching my back from afar, people who don't know me, who will kind of, you know, message me and say, hey, what they're saying and this is a rumor that they're spreading and just let me know. And I appreciate that, but I'm really grateful not to have to witnesses firsthand because if they were so happy, they just need to move on and leave me out of it. I. I've given my perspective. I've been asked to give my perspective. I've told the truth. And you may have a different perspective, and you're allowed to have a different perspective, but you can't argue with truth.

[Susan]

I have a question for you on the show. Did you and Peg have a relationship? Was she one of the ones that you were closer to or had fun with or shared stories with or. No.

[Cindy]

She is the only one in the house that I stayed away from.

[Susan]

Fair.

[Cindy]

And I don't know how much I want to go into it, but it was interesting to see the edits come out this season about Nicole, because in my opinion, Nicole was not the problem of the house. And. But I have great friends up and down. It's not like I was isolated. I've got some very good friends, and I wish Peg nothing but the best. She didn't do anything to me, but she certainly was. Was. Was, you know, kind of had some ill intent and try to lay evil in the lives of some other women that I didn't appreciate and I didn't trust her.

[Kathy]

Now, you know you can't say that without. I mean, you've got to explain what that means. Because if I peg listen to this, I would say, whoa, whoa.

[Susan]

So you get defensive. Yeah, yeah.

[Kathy]

I mean, I listen. I don't know why she blocked me. All I've ever done is wish them both well. I think I'm guilty by association with you, Cindy. So you know it's your fault.

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[Kathy]

But seriously, what, what is the thing that. Can you, can you expand on that a little bit?

[Susan]

And, or did any of the other women feel the same way?

[Cindy]

Well, yes, and I think one other woman in particular has already spoken out on social media that Peg bullied her in the house. And so I'll let her speak to her her moment. But, you know, here. Okay, this is what I want to say for all of you young girls out there who believe that this doesn't happen, that bullying and mean girl behavior doesn't happen. When you're golden, you're wrong. The only thing that changes is we have enough wisdom and we have enough history to maybe respond differently to it. So I don't want to get into it. I think that Peg has some very amazing redeeming qualities to her, and we all do. And we all have those sides of us that, you know, we, we may need to still work on. And as a golden, as somebody who knows better, I choose better. And some people are still stuck in their patterns of bullying and, and try to manipulate and honestly, that's how I feel that she's behaving with me. She's trying to, to play this with me, too. And I've told my kids, you know, you can let a bully bully you for so long, but at some point, how long do you allow it to continue and podcast today to say this is. I'm putting a stop to it today. She's going to have to put a stop to it. She's going to have to stop talking about it. I have done nothing but be flattering and positive about Mel and Peg. And you miss them.

[Susan]

Well, yes. Yes.

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[Kathy]

So here's my question, Cindy.

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Why?

[Kathy]

Because it's actually is my question. Why do you think when I've listened to Mel, particularly Mel on other podcasts, he really does. Just to show I'm keep up with younger people. He casts a lot of shade on you and I'm trying to figure out why. What's your take on that? Why do you think he does that? Because theoretically he's very happy with Peg. Why would.

[Susan]

So why bother, right?

[Kathy]

Why bother? Like, that's me. If I met the guy of my dreams and I'm still hoping he's around the corner, I wouldn't be wasting time talking about the runner up of anything. I would just be moved on. So what's your take on that?

[Cindy]

Well, I mean, let me, let me go one step further. If you're in love with Peg, it's always been Peg. Why do you give a flip if I walked out on you?

[Kathy]

Yeah, that's my question. What it is, that's my question. Why do you think that?

[Cindy]

I think both cannot be true. And he's going to have to figure out, you know, which one it is. But you can't make both of them true. And I think that there's enough in it. Let's just go back and watch the show. Watch the show, listen to the podcast. I think that it's pretty evident that, you know, he now has a very strong relationship with Peg. More power to him. But it was not always that way. It was not from the get go. It was, it was not from the cheer, it was not from the. Just whatever he wants to try to say. Like the, it, it just wasn't. So I, I don't know, it's. Sometimes you just can't. I don't know. You could talk to me about your perspective, but this, the truth is still the truth.

[Susan]

And what makes me happy is you've moved on. That is finished. That chapter is closed. And now it's about you.

[Kathy]

It's about.

[Cindy]

It is. But I mean, come on, it's just a little hard. I, it's not like I haven't lost sleep over. You know, Peg posted something on she's all batch that she wanted to go on the podcast. She asked to go on the podcast, which by the way, you know, as a ring winner you should be invited. I wonder why she wasn't invited to start with. But you know, she was, she posted that I was lying and that the truth will come out and Then there was a.

[Kathy]

What were you lying about?

[Susan]

What were you lying about?

[Kathy]

Susan, you and I swear to God, we say the same thing. What were you lying about?

[Cindy]

I encourage you to go watch she's all batch again and, and my episode with them and her episode and there's nothing that she can point to.

[Kathy]

She didn't say what you were lying about?

[Cindy]

I didn't. I know I have no clarity about it. And I listened with intent. Do you guys know? You guys have. You guys have listened. What do you think?

[Kathy]

Listen, I'm trying to still figure out why I got blocked by that both.

[Susan]

Of you are blocked.

[Kathy]

I find trouble all by myself. I don't need. You know, I have no idea why I'm blocked.

[Susan]

This is what I don't understand. Because you wish them well. I've seen you, I've heard you. It's been printed.

[Kathy]

Yes.

[Susan]

You wish them no ill whatsoever. They found each other. Good for them. And we're all genuinely happy for them.

[Kathy]

Yes.

[Susan]

Why you people were blocked. You've never made any kind of ill statement or. I don't understand.

[Cindy]

I think it's for the best. And I'm glad she's not looking at my stuff.

[Kathy]

I mean, the last.

[Cindy]

Listen, the last stuff either. So it's, it's a win. Win in my opinion.

[Kathy]

Yeah. I mean, I don't think it serves any purpose for you. I don't know. Last. When I met Mel and, and Peg, we had great conversations. My son went to Michigan. He went to Michigan.

[Susan]

He was asking you something about your son's dorm.

[Kathy]

Yeah, like a 10, 10 minute conversation about what dorm My son was in a mission. I was like, hell, I don't remember. But, but anyway, I, I, you know.

[Cindy]

The sad part is also that it, I don't want it to cause a division in the cast. You guys know, coming off the show, there's people just trying to get back to their lives. This is surreal. You know, I've had some great conversations with the women in the house, you know, because I was separated from them until my last episode. I couldn't tell them really what was going on. And I'm enjoying the reconnection. And I would hate for any of them to feel that they can't be friends with Peg if they're friends with me and can't.

[Kathy]

Are you good friends with a lot of the women from your season?

[Cindy]

I would say so.

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Who do you talk to? Like regularly or.

[Cindy]

Yeah, it's a long list. I just got back from an extended trip. I went to see Carol, Amy, Jerry and Robin.

[Susan]

Oh, I wish I was on that trip.

[Kathy]

I know. Me too. Me too.

[Cindy]

It was so much fun. We just laughed and giggled and, and it was truly just a gift to be in their presence. Then I went to, back to LA to see my daughter and see some other friends. And then I went to Vegas and saw Carla and Mylene and we had a heck of a time. And of course Kathy, because of the, the weather, her flight got changed and she ended up flying through Vegas and we ironically were on the same flight coming home.

[Susan]

Right.

[Kathy]

And I got blocked right after that. So again, Cindy, it's your fault.

[Susan]

That's why.

[Cindy]

And then, you know, I'm friends with, with Diane. We FaceTime with Diane while we were there. I see. Of course Roxanne lives in town. I'm going to Denver and I'll see Debbie and Cheryl. I'm planning on going to Miami and see Nicole and, and Alexandra. I talked to both Monicas very frequently. So I mean, who else have I.

[Susan]

Isn't it nice that you made friends at this stage in life?

[Cindy]

I mean, and, and you know what's so cool, Susan? Everyone is so different, so different, but they are so present in their lives. It's just been a treat to get to know these women and I truly, I truly cherish it. Is the love story for me of the, of the whole season for sure is getting to know these women.

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[Kathy]

Before we move on from all this, Cindy, I want to give you one more chance because we know that Peg was on Ben's and Ashley's podcast and then Mel they both asked to come on and it didn't play really well. Peg sort of said that, you know, they hadn't lived long enough to really know life and and that didn't sit well and it wouldn't have sat well with me either.

[Susan]

Wait, they haven't lived long enough to.

[Kathy]

Peg sort of insinuated that Ashley and Ben, particularly Ben, you know, they then been through divorce and been through enough life to really have which in my mind is just ridiculous because we've all had suffered loss and it may look different. We've had these conversations and there's no particular age that you reach. Right. But Cindy, just before we move on, is there, is there anything else that, that you want to say that you feel like will put this to rest once and for all? Because they have been very vocal on a lot of podcasts and very critical of you, and I personally know you very well and think you're a fantastic human being. But I want to know if there's anything else.

[Susan]

Kathy, how could anybody be critical of her because of her decision? I mean, she has nothing to do with their relationship. I don't understand. I don't either where that comes from.

[Kathy]

I don't either. But that goes back to what I said. Susan, if they're so happy, why are they throwing shade on Cindy? Why? I don't understand. And, you know, maybe I'll get an answer if I ever get unblocked. But in the meantime, Cindy, is there something that, you know, you feel like you want to say that could maybe put this to rest and walk off into the sunset?

[Cindy]

Well, I. I made my choice to leave. I learned enough. I wanted something different. I am glad that I left Mel in her capable hands and that they found their happiness.

[Susan]

And.

[Cindy]

And I'm. I'm glad I left. I'm glad I left. Before Fantasy Suites, I meant something. I'm meant for something else. I'm not meant for the relationship that I was seeing with Mel and he has found happiness. And I just wish that they would just have their happiness and leave me out of it. I've not brought them into it. I've not talked shade about them. I do wish Mel the very best. I. I said it from the get go. I still say it. And it's just time to. It's just time to move on.

[Susan]

Move on, move on. Now that all that is done, tell me about your dating today, darling.

[Kathy]

She needs a black book, and trust me, it's filled in.

[Cindy]

You know, life is complicated, and I am. I feel that I will find my partner one day. And do I feel he's close? I'm. I'm not sure. I'm not confident about that. So I'm just kind of going through the different stages that you go through as you try people. And I'm, you know. So you're dating? I'm dating. I'm dating. I'm dating some local people and some people from out of town, some people that I met from the show, and some people I'VE met through friends and. Yeah, I'm dating.

[Susan]

Nice. Nice. So you never had to go on a dating site? They're just reaching out to you? Of course.

[Cindy]

Actually, Amy and I had a joke. She's. She dates a lot, too, and she's been. I hope she's okay sharing it, me sharing this, but she and I were talking about going on Hinge and letting Jared Freed kind of screen our profiles.

[Kathy]

Let him do one for you.

[Susan]

Yeah.

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[Cindy]

So we could, like, take a look at our.

[Kathy]

Actually a great idea.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Cindy]

Yeah, I think it'd be funny.

[Kathy]

And.

[Cindy]

And so I'm not opposed to the dating apps. I think the dating apps can be some bad behaviors sometimes, so I have to be extra careful of how I screen the guys. But I found some of my favorite people on the dating apps and so. And some of my favorite people, my friends are on the dating app, so I can't. I can't bash them. I don't know that that's for me, but who knows?

[Susan]

I think people get on and get off.

[Kathy]

Yeah. You know, it's always the same people back on again. It's frightening. Cindy, what's next for you? What. What do you have planned for this year? What's going on?

[Cindy]

Can I say real quick, back to dating. I feel that I have spent a lot of my life chasing relationships, and I have more confidence than ever just being okay being single. And if I find somebody short term, if I find somebody long term, both would be great options. And if I never find someone, you're okay. It's a pretty good option. I was around. I had an experience at church where I. There's this guy who was pretty annoying. Then I was around a friend with her husband. And I'm going just every day. You have to deal with that every day.

[Susan]

Be careful what we wish for. Yeah.

[Cindy]

So I'm going to walk into it with my eyes wide open and. And I'll be honest with you, I look at my season with Mel and realize how close I got to partnering myself with a man who. Now there's.

[Susan]

Was it.

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[Cindy]

He is not meant for me. So it gives me extra pause and it's going to take me maybe a little extra time to have a look and wait.

[Kathy]

Are you saying that you don't. I'm. I'm a little confused. Are you saying that.

[Cindy]

I think that I. Part of me is evaluating whether I still trust my instincts. Right. I trust. I. That's why I left with Mel. I trusted my instincts with Mel. But I may have a couple Margaritas with my kids and ask them how they feel before I make it to another fantasy week.

[Susan]

But coming off the show, I think all of us, you fall in love with who you really are, you are proud of who you are, and we are good on our own. Of course you want somebody to share your good times in life with, but if you don't, you're good just who you are and.

[Cindy]

And we should recognize that we still have people to share our lives with. You know, I have friends, children, I have family now, my son in laws, I have friends. I have my family. I have.

[Kathy]

Wait, you have me? Cindy.

[Cindy]

I was gonna say I have my extended bachelor family. And I don't discount that anymore. I'm not thinking that what would be better is to have a partner. All of this is sufficient. And the sufficiency of my relationships currently will. You guys should cheer super loud if I ever connect my life to someone else because it means that he was extra special to supersede my relationships with all of you guys or to at least come into parody.

[Kathy]

Well, I don't and I don't think it has to be. I don't think it has to be an either or, Cindy. I think the relationships, again, unless you've walk this journey of bachelor, you don't really understand the friendships and the relationships that we all have. But I also think at least I'm speaking for myself. There's room in my life, there's room in Susan's life, and I think there's room in your life too, Cindy, for that special person. It's just. It has to meet. He has to meet expectations 100%.

[Cindy]

Absolutely. That is so concisely and well said.

[Susan]

And what I admire about you, Cindy, is you knew what you wanted, you know what you need, and it wasn't there. And you made that decision.

[Kathy]

I'm gonna ask you, Susan, would you have walked off? I don't think I admire you, Cindy. I don't think I could have done it. I thought about that. I don't think I could have done it, Cindy. And that tells me that. That you did do it. How clearly you knew he wasn't for you. I'm not sure I would have had the curse.

[Susan]

How clearly we all saw. Because her questions, he couldn't. He couldn't commit, he couldn't. The one word answers. It was just.

[Cindy]

Yeah. Thank you for saying that. You know, it's. It was one of the harder things I've found myself doing. And as you guys know, taping the show, like there's no they don't give you a script. No, you're really. This is really my relationship that is playing out and somebody else is watching me because there's some, there's a cameraman and a lighting crew and mic person who, an audio crew who were recording it. But it was every bit my life. And I remember sitting on the dock having this conversation going, what can I do? I've got to get. I'm not staying. Like I'm not. And I'm not going to let him pull that fantasy card out and ask me. You call a fantasy suite with him.

[Susan]

Okay, turn him down then.

[Kathy]

And then turn him down. I can't either.

[Susan]

Yeah. We have so much more to get into with Cindy. Make sure you stay tuned for part two and keep listening to Bachelor Happy Hour golden hour and make sure to subscribe as you'll never miss another episode.

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