CK on His Breakup with Monica B. and Dating Today | Golden Hour

Summary

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Bachelor Happy Hour – July 16, 2026

Episode: CK on His Breakup with Monica B. and Dating Today | Golden Hour
Hosts: Susan and Kathy (with special guest C.K.)

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Overview

This episode of "Bachelor Happy Hour" dives deep into love, relationships, and second chances—especially as experienced by Bachelor Nation favorite C.K., a standout from the Golden Bachelor franchise. CK sits down with hosts Susan and Kathy to openly discuss his recent breakup with Monica B., what he’s learned from the relationship, how dating has changed for him well into his 60s, and what he is searching for in his next partner. The episode also features candid listener questions on trust, age gaps, and moving on, infused with CK’s insights and the hosts’ signature humor and camaraderie.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Life Update & Flirtation (02:49–04:39)

• CK joins the podcast with his trademark charm, chatting about life post-show: “I'm working and dating and trying to stay out of trouble and do the right thing and keeping busy and just okay, living my life.” (03:46, C.K.)
• Hosts gently tease CK about his active dating life, referring to his “stable” of dates, sparking laughter and self-aware conversation about having "options" complicating the search for something real.

2. Reflections Post-“Golden Bachelorette” (04:55–05:55)

• CK reflects on personal growth: “My experience from the Golden Bachelorette when Jones season told me so much about myself... I'm two years removed from that... I’m in a really good place.” (04:55, C.K.)
• Candidly admits: “I wasn’t quite as vulnerable as I needed to be. I kept people at arm’s length… I was still kind of holding on to that [divorce].” (05:29, C.K.)

3. The Monica B. Breakup: What Happened and What’s Next (06:39–09:06)

• Direct Update (07:11):
  Kathy presses for clarity: “You broke up. I hear this wind of you two chatting again. Did you break up? Are you chatting again? ... I want an update.”
• CK’s Open Response (07:11–08:15):
  • “Not only is it not a wedding in 2026 of the spring, but Monica B. and I have broken up as of, I think, January of 2026.” (07:31, C.K.)
  • On maintaining a supportive connection: "We don't talk very much. We did speak over the last week or so with respect to her grandson and my willingness to help in any way that I can because I still feel like. Because I chose her. I picked her and I chose her. So I still feel like in some way, in some part of me, I still feel responsible to help." (07:53, C.K.)
• Why the Relationship Ended:
  • CK admits, “I tried to align myself with where she was… But it just doesn't work for me because in as much as she wants what she wants, I feel like it's important for me to get what I want.” (08:54, C.K.)

4. Social Life, Openness, and What CK's Seeking (09:06–16:22)

• CK describes embracing new experiences, joining exclusive social clubs, and intentionally opening up to meeting new people (09:43–10:18).
• Deal Breakers & Essentials (10:59–14:28):
  • “First and foremost, I want a woman who is of age... I need a woman who's lived.” (10:59, C.K.)
  • On being open-minded: “I don't go on with a lot of rules and regulations.… I know it when I know it, I feel it when I feel it.” (11:25, C.K.)
  • Self-awareness: After Monica B., “My future is probably more important than my feelings... I got a lot of living to do. I got a lot I want to accomplish. But more importantly… I have a lot to lose. So I cannot afford to make wrong or bad decisions because it'll cost me everything.” (11:46, C.K.)
• Compatibility Versus Love:
  • CK admits to the “vain” part of his criteria: “I need her to fit in and to be part of that world and feel comfortable doing so.” (12:48, C.K.)
  • Also values deeper connection: “There's so much more than fitting in. There's the financial aspect of that… If she made no money, like, I would be totally okay with that… If I'm asking for loyalty, if I'm asking for devotion and love and understanding, Susan, I'm giving what I'm asking for.” (13:40–14:07, C.K.)

5. Race, Social Circles & Interracial Dating (15:39–16:22)

• CK addresses the realities of interracial dating in his life:
  “I'm a black man that is in a corporate office. And the idea of dating… for me is partly interracial dating. How do you feel about that? Are you comfortable with that?... most of the women that are part of my work environment are not black. So I have to really consider, how do you feel about interracial dating?” (15:39, C.K.)

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Listener Questions: Golden Hotline Advice (21:46–27:53)

1. How to Trust Again After Betrayal (22:07–24:29)

• Tiffany from Atlanta: Discovered she was “the other woman.” How to trust again?
• CK’s compassionate advice: “I have a daughter… I would tell her you have to be very, very careful… and do a very, very strong vetting process. More importantly, trust the men that are in your circle, because men know scammers and liars when they see them.” (22:37, C.K.)
• Hosts emphasize reclaiming power and opening the heart to new possibilities.
  • Memorable: “If you give that guy the power… then you’re giving up all your power to someone who doesn’t deserve it. Move on… Don’t think all men are liars and cheaters, because they’re not.” (23:47, Kathy)

2. Age Gaps in Dating (24:29–27:53)

• Gloria from Chicago: 71, dating a 58-year-old—do age differences matter?
• CK is supportive: “I think at 71 or 58 or 65, age almost becomes irrelevant somewhat. I think it’s how a person takes care of themselves, how a person thinks, how a person vibes. And let’s be honest, you know, if the connection is strong and good, then… It’s all relevant.” (25:14, C.K.)
• Discussion about logistics (children, work) being more crucial than numbers, and to “enjoy the moments.”
  • “There’s no such thing as setting yourself up for heartbreak... Stop worrying about what could happen and enjoy the moments.” (27:34, Susan)

3. Checking Your Partner’s Phone: Trust vs. Privacy (33:20–36:36)

• Kathy from Raleigh: Caught partner chatting with women—was phone-checking justified?
• CK’s nuanced take: “I think if it all resorts to checking someone's phone or going through someone's text messages and emails, I think that it’s problematic in within itself.” (33:55, C.K.)
• Susan: “It’s trust. Not that I want that to happen, but what I don’t know don’t hurt me... But it's not like I'm a cheater because I like attention.” (34:07, Susan)

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Lighthearted Segment: “Final Rose, Fantasy Suite, or Send Home Night One” (36:03–40:27)

• Hosts play a Bachelor-style game with CK, offering famous women and show alums. CK gives his picks—sometimes cheeky, sometimes diplomatic.

  • Famous Picks:

    • Jennifer Lopez — Final Rose
    • Cameron Diaz — Sent Home Night One
    • Halle Berry — Fantasy Suite

    (37:02–37:21, C.K.)

  • Bachelor Alum Round (Monica B., Nancy, April):

    • “Unfortunately, April, Night one. I’m sorry… Nancy with the conversation Room, and then Monica B. with the final rose.” (37:55–38:52, C.K.)

  • **Fun banter about being “sent home,” fantasy suites, and who gets to choose.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On moving on and future outlook:
  “My future is probably more important than my feelings… I have a lot to lose.” (11:46, C.K.)

• On being authentic:
  “I know it when I know it, I feel it when I feel it.” (11:25, C.K.)

• Hosts’ banter:
  “You put me in a [tough spot]… The guy who said they're finally broken up is now given her the final rose... which means he's going to give Monica B. the final rose and then three months later they're broken up.” (39:01, Kathy)

• On dating and social life:
  “I have a social life of abundance. I get invited to a lot of things… Now, I said, ‘I’m going to open myself up.’” (09:43, C.K.)

• On love and compatibility:
  “She has to meet that criteria... it’s so vain and mundane, but that is the absolute truth… I need her to fit in.” (12:48, C.K.)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• CK Joins & Life Update: 02:49–04:39
• Learnings from “Golden Bachelorette”: 04:55–05:55
• Monica B. Breakup: 06:39–09:06
• Dating Criteria & Future Hopes: 10:59–14:28
• Race, Identity & Interracial Dating: 15:39–16:22
• Listener Questions Segment Begins: 21:46
  • Trust after Betrayal: 22:07
  • Age Gap Dating: 24:29
  • Partner’s Phone Dilemma: 33:20
• Bachelor Game: Final Rose, Fantasy Suite, Send Home: 36:03–40:27
• Closing & Upcoming Events: 40:55–41:29

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Final Thoughts

This episode stands out for CK’s vulnerability, honest insights, and the way he and the hosts blend real talk with humor and heart. Whether discussing heartbreak, what truly matters in later-in-life dating, or fielding advice on love and trust, the episode is equal parts entertaining and comforting for anyone navigating romance—at any age.

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It's Susan and I'm Kathy and we are just so excited about our guest today. I mean, we could talk about what we've been doing, but everyone knows Susan and I were together. Yes, we've had a great summer so far. It's hotter than hell and it's about to get a lot hotter on this podcast because guess who we have today. From Bachelor, golden nation and Joan Season, we have ck. Welcome, CK thank you all.

[C.K.]

Thank you, Susan. Thank you, Kathy.

[Susan]

So good to see you in those shiny, pearly white teeth.

[Kathy]

Yeah, I feel like I need to go to the dentist here. How have you been, ck?

[C.K.]

I've been doing very, very well. Now that I see you and Susan, it just makes my day so.

[Susan]

He's such a flirt, this one. One.

[C.K.]

I try, I try.

[Susan]

But you know what? In a good way. We love compliments. So. So tell us what's going on in your life real quick.

[C.K.]

Well, I'm working and dating and trying to stay out of trouble and do the right thing and keeping busy and just okay, living my life.

[Kathy]

We don't care about the work. We don't care about keeping busy.

[Susan]

We want to hear about what you said. I'm dating.

[Kathy]

Did you hear what I just said?

[Susan]

Date. Like, what is wrong with this picture?

[Kathy]

Yeah, how many? How many date? So I tease CK a lot because CK does date a lot. And I tell me as a stable, so let me, you know, give a winnie here. How many, how many? How many you got in the stable this week and tell us about them.

[C.K.]

Well, I'm not sure if I have a stable, but I, I do very well. And I think that's part of, part of the problem. Been trying to find the right one is when you have too many options, it just clouds your judgment and more often than not, you're going to get it wrong. So, you know, that's part of my problem.

[Susan]

So what are we.

[C.K.]

I'm working on.

[Susan]

What are we doing wrong? We have no options over here. No. I do have a question for you though. As a man over 60, do you have any fears about committing to a woman? C.K.

[C.K.]

oh, listen, I have no problem. I. I have no problem committing to A woman up to and including marriage. So, you know, it's not a fear of mine. I will say this, Susan. My experience from the Golden Bachelorette when Jones season told me so much about myself, you really get time to reflect on where you, where you think you are versus where you are and what you want and how you go about that. So. And I'm two years removed from that. I'm in a really good place.

[Kathy]

Okay, as a follow up. As a follow up, ck, what did you learn about yourself? What, how are you different now?

[C.K.]

Well, I found out that on the heels of coming off the show that I wasn't quite as vulnerable as I needed to be. I kept people at arm's length and I was coming off of a divorce. I was probably 12 years divorced and I was still kind of holding on to that. And so, you know, knowing and understanding that has helped me cycle through that. And so for the last six months or so, I've just been in a really, really good place.

[Susan]

Okay, Susan, can I ask something though? Were you always. I think you're very flirtatious. You're easy to talk to. No, I love that I'm the same way. Have you always been like that or is that only been since the show that you found yourself and who you are?

[C.K.]

Oh, no, Susan, that's a super, super great question. Like my mother, I would go out there, lunch with my mother, and I would just try to, I would be nice to like the waitress people, the attendant. And my mother would say to me, when you get into a relationship, you kind of have to stop. So, yeah, like being flirtation, not for shape, but being overly nice to the attendants, to the waitress. So nice to scale.

[Susan]

That and flirting are lot on the same.

[Kathy]

Okay. Okay, you two. I am just going to rip the band aid off because I have so many questions I want to ask you, but they're all predicated on the answer to the question I'm about to ask you. CK oh, you know it. I love you dearly. We had you and Monica B. On the show. You broke up. I hear this wind of you two chatting again. Did you break up? Are you chatting again? Are you going to go out? Because you had told me that you could see yourself marrying this girl. So I want an update. Ck, what is going on?

[C.K.]

Yeah, so thank you for that. Like I said, I'm an open book. So, Kathy, you probably know more than anyone else with respect to where my mindset was about 10 months ago because I told you that if four criterias were met with respect to Monica B. That there would probably be a golden wedding in the spring of 2026.

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[C.K.]

And you tried to talk me off that ledge, and I was defiant like, it's going to happen. It's going to be a golden wedding in 2026. And unfortunately, not only is it not a wedding in 2026 of the spring, but Monica B. And I have broken up as of, I think, January of 2026. So that's where that is. We don't talk very much. We did speak over the last week or so with respect to her grandson and my willingness to help in any way that I can because I still feel like. Because I chose her. I picked her and I chose her. So I still feel like in some way, in some part of me, I still feel responsible to help.

[Susan]

Did you feel like you got just too excited about it, about the idea of it? And she's a beautiful woman, as we all know. Is that part of it? And then you just calmed yourself down and pace. You have to pace yourself?

[C.K.]

Yeah. Well, no, Susan, I think quite the opposite. Like, for men, we know like, we know ostensibly, we know like, then you got to get into, like, the internal of a person. And I think that's where our goals and values want to line one major. Yeah. So I understand it was that. And I tried, Susan, in all fairness, like, I tried to align myself with where she was, and I can second that.

[Kathy]

He did. He did.

[C.K.]

Yeah. That just doesn't. I tried because. And. But it just doesn't work for me because in as much as she wants what she wants, I feel like it's important for me to get what I want. And that's important.

[Susan]

It is or it won't last. I mean, you're doing a favor for both of you, and you can remain friends. So do you feel like you find somebody that will align exactly with you? I mean, there's always going to be some. I mean, you and I, we blow the world up. We'll have a ball.

[Kathy]

Wait a minute, Susan. Susan, he's about to. He's about to announce that I've always been the woman he wanted. So give the guy a minute.

[Susan]

Why is it that you are the only one saying that?

[Kathy]

Well, I got a number of reasons. No, go ahead, answer that one.

[C.K.]

Well, I have a social life of abundance. I get invited to a lot of things, whether I'm here in Maryland or I'm back in Los Angeles. I just get invited to so many different things. And before I would say, no, I don't want to do this, I Don't want to go here. I don't want to do that. And I think in January, I said, you know what? I'm going to open myself up. I'm going to go to All White. Rooftop party. Bel Air or Hollywood.

[Susan]

That's how you meet people. Yeah, yeah.

[C.K.]

And I got invited to join social clubs in Los Angeles, some very exclusive social clubs. And they put me in a certain area or arena with certain people. And so I'm very happy there.

[Susan]

You can take friends to these things. You know, I clean up real nice.

[Kathy]

Susan, again. Get in line. CK's got a little event.

[Susan]

You can go mingle and I'll do the same. I mean, that's right. We're there for support for each other.

[C.K.]

That's right.

[Kathy]

You'll be my wingman.

[Susan]

I'll be your wing.

[C.K.]

Yeah, exactly. That's right.

[Kathy]

You go. Okay, so see, G, I'm very curious, and I may or may not know the answer to this. What is it that you really want, secretly or not so secretly? What is it that you want in a woman that is a deal breaker? If she doesn't have it, whatever it is, she's out. Like, what is it you have to have?

[C.K.]

Well, the first thing, I think, first and foremost. That's a great question, Kathy. But first and foremost, I want a woman who is of age. Right. Like, I need a woman who's lived.

[Kathy]

Great. Susan, you hear that? He wants a woman over 18, a

[Susan]

woman of age he's not like most men at 16.

[C.K.]

I mean, of age. Like, I'm going to be 64 in December. I want a woman of my. Of my own age. And that way, you know, there's. We have some similarities. We understand certain things, right?

[Susan]

Yeah.

[C.K.]

So, you know, being underage is a deal breaker for me, but, you know, I don't go on with a lot of rules and regulations, you know, Susan, I know it when I know it, I feel it when I feel it. You know, frequently.

[Susan]

Like, I fall in love easily, but then I don't do all the homework. I guess after a year, it's like,

[C.K.]

yeah, yeah, yeah, I get that. And you know, Susan, I think the last six months, in all honesty, coming on the heels of my breakup with Monica B. The last six months has taught me that, you know, my. My future is probably more important than my feelings. Like, I can feel one way, but my future is really important. Now you might say, ck, what the hell, dude, you're going to be 64 in December. But I feel like my future is bright. I got a lot of living to do. I got a lot I want to accomplish. But more importantly, Susan, I have a lot to lose. So I cannot afford to make wrong or bad decisions because it'll cost me everything, and I can't recover everything again.

[Kathy]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait. Ck, are you saying that. Susan, I were just talking about this earlier on another podcast about compatibility versus love. Are you telling me. I'm asking, do you have a checklist that, you know, she has to be presentable at the club, she has to look and act and you don't have to love her. She has to meet that criteria. Is that what I'm hearing?

[C.K.]

Yeah. You know what, Kathy? I hate to say that there's a part of me that 100% agrees with that, and I hate that part of me because it's so vain and mundane, but that is the absolute truth. I need her to fit in and to be part of that world and

[Susan]

feel comfortable doing so. Like, she has to be comfortable in that life.

[Kathy]

But I'm sorry, darling, what can't you. I hear what you're saying, but I'm not hearing the word. And you're divorced, ck, you have five kids, you've been married, you've been down the road to go to enter into that kind of contract, if you will, to enter into that relationship again, that's committed, permanent relationship. And you better hope that. I would hope that you would want more than quote, unquote, fitting in at the club.

[C.K.]

Well, yeah, there's so much more than fitting in. There's the financial aspect of that. Like, where is she financially? Where am I financially? And I've worked my soft to be in a position where, you know.

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Yeah.

[C.K.]

If she made no money, like, I would be totally okay with that. Like a hundred percent. I'm not looking for someone if she doesn't have a home and she doesn't have a retirement, like, I'm okay with that. Are you as long as.

[Susan]

Are you?

[C.K.]

Yes. Oh, 100. Thank you, Susan. That's right. If I'm asking for loyalty, if I'm asking for devotion and love and understanding, Susan, I'm giving what I'm asking for. So, yeah, we're there.

[Kathy]

Susan, if you get off this podcast right now and buy a ticket, I think you can be out in CK's neck of the woods. Oh, in about. Where have you been?

[Susan]

How about older women? You said of age?

[C.K.]

So 100 I, I do I, I, I 100 a woman of age.

[Susan]

That is, I mean, Kathy, I get

[C.K.]

what he's saying, but for example, Susan and Kathy, like my executive staff, the men on the executive staff, most of them are married and I've seen their wives and girlfri and the first thing comes to mind when I meet them is I see what he sees in her. Like, I could see it. I can see why he chose her. And I want the woman that I choose. Now you may say ck that's not required, but it's somewhat. Is like I want my partners and my executive staff to meet Kathy or Susan and say CK I see what you see in her. Not only is she lovely, but boy, she's very charming.

[Susan]

Like, she's fun.

[Az Fudd]

Okay.

[Susan]

Smile worth a thousand lights up her room.

[Kathy]

Okay, so ck are you dating? Have you met anyone? Are you currently dating anyone that you're thinking will fit into that role? Or are we back to feeding oats in the stable?

[C.K.]

No, no, no, no. There's no stable. There's no stable. But I will say this cabbie, this is a subject I think that's somewhat taboo. But for me, like I'm, I'm a black man that is in a corporate office. And the idea of dating has to, in my, in my mind is partly interracial dating. How do you feel about that? Are you comfortable with that? And that's a huge, huge element for me because most of the women that in my community are not black. Most of the women that's part of this, the country club is not black. Most of the women that are part of my work environment is not black. So I have to really consider, how do you feel about interracial dating?

[Susan]

Yeah. Yeah, that's a lot to think about.

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[Az Fudd]

What's up everyone? It's me, Az Fudd from FUD around and find out. Thanks everyone for all the positivity coming out of the draft. I am so blessed to have so many people that believe in and support me. My listeners, my friends and family, and the whole GEICO team who put my family in a commercial with me that was so cool to see. The Gecko even showed up wearing my jersey. Well, a smaller version of it. And my grandfather is a huge fan of the Gecko. During my injury rehab, I was a little nervous about the future, but I've had so much support and so many people believing in me, and we came through it together. I know I'm leaving the bubble of college, headed to a new city, joining a new team. It's a lot of change all at once, but I don't feel like I'm alone. The way I feel about basketball is the way I feel about life. You help your team and your team helps you. So thank you again, everyone, whether you're on the Geico team or just the fan wearing my team's jersey. Thank you all so much for all the support.

[Kathy]

What's next, Susan, on this?

[Susan]

Okay, this is our golden hotline, baby. So every week we answer questions from our listeners and we give them. I don't know how expert it is, but we give them our personal advice. And today we want you to help us do that. Is that okay with you?

[C.K.]

Sure. Absolutely.

[Susan]

All right, These are good.

[Kathy]

All right, here comes the first question. This Is from Tiffany in Atlanta. Okay. Tiffany says I was the other woman. Without realizing it. I dated a man for six months before finding out he had a girlfriend the entire time. I ended things immediately. But now I have major trust issues. How do you date again after realizing someone lied to your face so convincingly for so long? What says you, C.K.

[C.K.]

well, look, I have a daughter. And so if my daughter were asking that question, I would tell her you have to be very, very careful in terms of who you connect with, in terms of, you know, your emotions or intimacy, and do a very, very strong vetting process. More importantly, trust the men that are in your circle, because men know scammers and liars when they see them.

[Susan]

Good answer. My, my. What came to mind for me is if you. If I dated someone for six months, I know his whereabouts. I want to know where you are this time. If you have a full time girlfriend, that would make less time for us.

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[Susan]

So I want to know where you are. I would probably investigate Susan.

[Kathy]

I'm telling you, she's got a baseball bat and a crew of God knows who, the mafia that would find out for her.

[Susan]

But how do you feel, Kathy?

[Kathy]

I have a. Yeah, thanks. I have a whole different take on it. I think you. Whatever that famous expression is, you know, to never loved, you have to let your heart go to know love.

[Susan]

Better to have been loved than never loved before.

[Kathy]

Yeah, one of those things. But here's my answer for you, Tiffany. Whatever happened, happened. But if you give that guy the power, and that's what you're giving away, your power to love because he cheated and lied to you, then you're giving up all your power to someone who doesn't deserve it. Move on, find the next guy. And don't think all men are liars and cheaters, because they're not.

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[Susan]

That's just it. She's having a hard time.

[Kathy]

Open your heart. Yeah, I'm saying trust. You have to open your heart and trust again. Because the alternative means you'll never find love and a good relationship again. You have to trust it's part of a good relationship.

[Susan]

It is. It is. All right, the next one's from Gloria, and she's from Chicago. I'm 71 and dating a man who is 58. I love you, Gloria. We have an amazing connection. But my friends keep teasing me about being the older woman. I thought we'd all outgrown these kinds of judgments by now. Does age really matter once you're both adults, or am I setting myself up for Heartbreak.

[Kathy]

Susan, wait before you answer, CK Susan, I met a guy in California. Did you write this question and change the name?

[Susan]

No, but I'm 69 and Fred's 56. Same thing.

[Kathy]

Okay, what do you think? C.K.

[C.K.]

well, I. I think at 71 or 58 or 65, age almost becomes irrelevant somewhat. Right? I think it's how a person takes care of themselves, how a person thinks, how a person vibes. And let's be honest, you know, if the connection is strong and good, then. And to me it's all relevant on the other side to that. I mean, her friends may have a little hate going on there.

[Susan]

I mean, jealousy maybe.

[C.K.]

Yeah, a little jealousy.

[Susan]

I mean, but also, I don't like the date. Like you were saying earlier, it has to be within the age because you can't even share the same music likes or the same errors that you were talking about when you were young. Like you're in different fate. When it's that big of a gap, then I see some struggles with that.

[Kathy]

See, I think music is the least of anybody's worries with an age gap like that. And Susan, you know, I've met two guys now who were much younger than I and the issue for me is it's not that they're still working. That's not a problem for me. It's that they don't have flexibility because of their jobs. They have children at home. That is an issue because then I can't live the life I want to live with him. Because we're at different places in our lives. I don't think the age matters per se. I mean, your whole situation is different. Susan, because he's long distance. That's a whole nother conversation. I just think if it's going well for you, Gloria, then don't worry about what other people say. If those other things, if jobs and responsibilities and taking care of parents or young kids, if those things aren't an issue. You go girl.

[C.K.]

And Susan. Kathy, I just went out on a date with a woman who was 71 years old and if I showed you the picture, you would not believe.

[Susan]

No, exactly, exactly.

[C.K.]

Like, I just don't like the age thing. Like the number. That's right.

[Susan]

And, and 58 year old man and a 58 year old woman night and day. Some men look older than 58 at 58 and some women do too, just to be fair.

[C.K.]

But he could be a used to God. I mean, you never know.

[Kathy]

You sound like I love you, C.K.

[Susan]

you listen, Gloria, thanks so much for sharing that with us and you know what? There's no such thing as setting yourself up for heartbreak.

[Kathy]

That's right.

[Susan]

You're enjoying this ride here, this moment. You may last forever and you may not stop worrying about what could happen and enjoy the moments.

[Kathy]

Gosh, Susan, that's some of the best advice you've ever given. Listen to her, Gloria. Okay, moving on. We have one more here.

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[Az Fudd]

What's up everyone? It's me, Az Fudd from Futuround and find out. Thanks everyone for all the positivity coming out of the draft. I am so blessed to have so many people that believe in and support me My listeners, my friends and family, and the whole GEICO team who put my family in a commercial with me that was so cool to see. The gecko even showed up wearing my jersey. Well, a smaller version of it. And my grandfather is a huge fan of the gecko. During my injury rehab, I was a little nervous about the future, but I've had so much support and so many people believing in me, and we came through it together. I know I'm leaving the bubble of college, headed to a new city, joining a new team. It's a lot of change all at once, but I don't feel like I'm alone. The way I feel about basketball is the way I feel about life. You help your team and your team helps you. So thank you again, everyone, whether you're on the GEICO team or just a fan wearing my team's jersey. Thank you all so much for all the support.

[Kathy]

This is from Kathy from Raleigh. So not this Kathy. Kathy from Raleigh, North Carolina. I checked my husband's phone for the first time in 10 years of marriage and found messages that absolutely crushed me. Nothing physical, but enough to know he was seeking attention from other women. He says the bigger betrayal is that I invaded his privacy. Is checking someone's phone ever justified? If your gut tells you something is wrong, what do you think, ck?

[C.K.]

Yeah.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[C.K.]

I think. I think if it all. If it resorts to checking someone's phone or going through someone's text messages and emails, I. I think that it's problematic in within itself.

[Susan]

It's trust.

[C.K.]

Right.

[Susan]

Trust issue.

[Kathy]

Although she had a reason. They were so. That's exactly it, Susan. They were married for 10 years, and all of a sudden she's going through the phone. Yeah. I'm thinking she was sniffing something.

[Podcast Host 1]

Right?

[C.K.]

Yeah.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

What would you say, ck? What if your girlfriend went through your phone?

[C.K.]

That would be a problem. Well,

[Susan]

if you went. Would you go through her phone if you had.

[C.K.]

I would never go through her phone. Because you know what? You know what, Kathy? Susan. I'm gonna find something that's going to be questionable, and then it gets into my head and they can't get it out. Yes, that's right.

[Susan]

And I'm a firm believer. Not that I want that to happen, but what? I don't know. Don't hurt me. It said he liked attention from other women. A lot of people. I love attention. You know, me. But it's not like I'm a cheater because I like attention.

[C.K.]

Yeah.

[Susan]

And I'm flirtatious. It doesn't mean I act on it people judge you because you're friendly, right?

[Kathy]

I think there's a difference. I personally think there's a difference. CK, you and I talk all the time. And if some woman went through your phone, she might say, who is this Kathy girl?

[C.K.]

Who is this Kathy girl? What the hell?

[Kathy]

And you know what?

[Susan]

I talked to her like three times this week.

[Kathy]

Yeah,

[Susan]

but really, I was talking to Susan.

[Kathy]

Really?

[Susan]

Speaker, we can't count that one.

[Kathy]

That's right.

[C.K.]

I called Kathy and Susan took over the conversation.

[Kathy]

Yeah, pretty much.

[Susan]

You know what, though? Thank you, everyone, for submitting these questions. Like, I love talking about this stuff because a lot of people are afraid to say something and they're going through the same exact thing. So please feel comfortable. You don't even have to put your name down. You could put anonymous. And to do that, you go to bachelor nation.com golden hour, and you can keep checking in to see if we're talking about your question.

[Kathy]

Yeah, that's a really good point, Susan. The question that you have is probably a hundred other people are wondering the same thing, so please write in. We love hearing from you. All right, today we are gonna play. You're gonna love this one, CK we're gonna play three rounds of final rose fantasy suites or send home night one. So with a woman's name, you'd either give her the final rose, you take her to the fantasy suite, and we all know what happens in the fantasy suites, or send her home night one, and we all know what that looks like. Okay, Susan, go ahead with the first one here.

[Susan]

No, that's okay, baby.

[Kathy]

Oh, sorry. Okay. I put my own in there. Yes, Susan did. I'm. I'm keeping it real here. All right, CK Cameron Diaz, Halle Berry, Jennifer Lopez. Put them in order. Final rose fantasy sweets or send them night one.

[C.K.]

Jennifer Lopez gets the final rose.

[Kathy]

Okay. Okay, Keep going.

[C.K.]

Cameron Diaz. Night one. Sorry.

[Susan]

Really?

[Kathy]

Okay, sorry. Well, we know where Halle Berry.

[Susan]

Yes, Halle.

[Kathy]

So wait, you're taking her to the fantasy suite?

[C.K.]

I am, yes.

[Susan]

All right.

[Kathy]

He's got. The guy likes a one night stand. Susan.

[Susan]

Okay, forgive me, everybody, but I have my own personal, personal names that I'm going to throw out there. All right, we have Nancy and April from our season of golden bachelor and Monica B. Oh, God.

[Kathy]

We may have stayed up late night picking this one up.

[C.K.]

I'm going through a tunnel. I can't hear you.

[Susan]

Wait, if you refuse to answer it, I can move on. But I thought that would be.

[Kathy]

Yeah, we thought it would be fun.

[C.K.]

I'll give you this one Unfortunately, April, Night one. I'm sorry.

[Susan]

Okay.

[C.K.]

Sorry, April.

[Susan]

No, it's just about chemistry. It's what you like. Doesn't mean you don't like her, because we know you do.

[Kathy]

Okay.

[Susan]

You always ask about her.

[Kathy]

I want to get to the other two.

[Susan]

Okay. Nancy and.

[Kathy]

You got Nancy and Monica B.

[C.K.]

Well, okay, so Nancy and I have this thing about. I'm going to say this. Nancy with the conversation Room, and then Monica be with the firearm.

[Kathy]

Wait a second. Nancy's not a conversation room. Nancy would be the fantasy suite.

[C.K.]

Do you know what? No.

[Susan]

Some people, Kathy, don't go all the way in the fantasy.

[Kathy]

So they say. I'm not buying that, but okay, so let me.

[C.K.]

Nancy and I had a long conversation about the Conversation Room. So if she hears this, she'll know. She'll understand.

[Kathy]

Okay, so you and Nancy are going to have a very long overnight conversation. Monica B. Is getting the final rose. Is that what you said?

[Susan]

Yeah.

[C.K.]

You guys. You put me in a.

[Susan]

Why are you dwelling on it, Kathy? You already said it. You're going to reiterate. I just want to make sure all over again.

[Kathy]

I just want to make sure. The guy who said they're finally broken up is now given to the final rose, which means, Susan, that he's going to give Monica B. The final rose on the final episode. And then three months later, they're broken up. Okay, I got it. We're moving on here.

[Az Fudd]

Next.

[Susan]

Names are fun, too. I'm curious about the next three.

[Kathy]

Okay, we've got Jennifer Aniston, Kim Kardashian, and Sofia Vergara.

[Susan]

Very well said.

[Az Fudd]

Kath.

[Susan]

I couldn't say.

[C.K.]

Unfortunately, Kim Kardashian, I gotta say. Night one.

[Susan]

Okay, fair enough.

[C.K.]

All right,

[Kathy]

Jennifer Aniston and Sofia Vergara.

[C.K.]

Sofia gets the final rose and Jennifer gets the fantasy.

[Susan]

Oh, I thought it would be Sophia in the fantasy suite. I'm just saying, who am I, you know?

[Kathy]

Which is. We got to be careful. Someday they're going to make us do this.

[Susan]

I might have two in the fantasy suite. I'm just saying. And I'm taking two home, too. I got two roses.

[C.K.]

Susan, I like how you think.

[Susan]

I'm telling you, I have not stopped smiling since I looked at your face. You are such a pleasure to have.

[Kathy]

Wait. I want to know where I'm gonna be. If you get two roses, two fantasy sweets, what do I get?

[Susan]

You get to send home. You can send them all home one night.

[Kathy]

You know what?

[Susan]

You could do that part.

[Kathy]

Exactly. I get nothing.

[Susan]

Okay, thank you so much for Joining us. We love having you. I. I just love talking to you. I like being in your presence, and I can dress up very, very nicely.

[Kathy]

Oh, stop trying to bribe him, Susan.

[Susan]

I'm putting the straight app.

[Kathy]

I've tried. It doesn't work.

[C.K.]

Look, I tell. I tell Kathy all the time that every time I see you all on a red carpet, wherever you guys are, you are dressed to the nine. I mean, just.

[Susan]

We love it.

[Kathy]

Well, ck, I'm gonna see you soon because I'm coming out with a bunch of other Goldens and some of the young ones from Bachelor. We're coming out. We're gonna walk at UCLA for the suicide prevention walk, which is near and dear to my heart. And Leslie and some other people. So. And you have, as. As you are the consummate host, are putting together a dinner for all of us Goldens and. And Bachelor people. So we're. I'm really excited to see you. It's gonna be great.

[C.K.]

Well, it's not just a dinner, Kathy. It's not just a dinner. We're gonna actually turn up in Beverly Hills, so look forward to that.

[Susan]

Can't they change the date so I could come?

[Kathy]

Yes, we'll get on that right now to have UCLA change the date for you.

[Susan]

I'm preferring a wedding, so I can't be there.

[Kathy]

All right, well, if you can't be at the walk, we hope you all will be. You can ask for more information. We'd be happy to send it to you, but in the meantime, make sure to rate, review, and subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.

[Susan]

And you can follow us on social media at Bachelor Happy Hour and at Bachelor Nation. So we'll see you next time.

[Kathy]

Take care. See you next week.

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