Debbie: Fit, Flirty, and Fabulous! | Golden Hour

Summary

Bachelor Happy Hour: Debbie – Fit, Flirty, and Fabulous! | Golden Hour

Date: October 14, 2025
Hosts: Susan and Kathy
Guest: Debbie, contestant from the current season of "The Golden Bachelor"

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Episode Overview

This lively episode features Debbie, a dynamic contestant from the latest season of "The Golden Bachelor." Hosts Susan and Kathy, franchise alumni themselves, dive into Debbie’s fascinating backstory as a fitness industry pioneer, her experience joining "The Golden Bachelor" cast, forming bonds with other women, and her quest to find love later in life. The conversation highlights personal growth, female friendships, and the hope for new love at any age.

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Debbie’s Background: From Wisconsin to Fitness Icon

(Starts ~02:12)

• Debbie grew up in Little Shoot, Wisconsin, among seven siblings (including a twin), in a small house with just one bathroom.
  • “Put my little town on the map.” (Debbie, 02:12)
• Moved to Los Angeles at 21 and worked as a secretary before diving into the fitness industry.
• Co-created the first program for Beachbody in 1998 with Tony Horton.
• Created "Slim in Six," a successful infomercial program still available digitally today.
• Launched her own fitness company aimed at people 50+ or with limitations, called "Body Dynamics" (with an X).
  • “I cast it, I directed it, I created 18 workouts...Now I have my own digital platform.” (Debbie, 03:33)

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Why “The Golden Bachelor”?

(Starts ~04:33)

• Debbie applied after seeing how uplifting the first season was:
  • “My original thought was, who’s gonna wanna watch a bunch of old people making out in a hot tub? … It’s more about positivity, and women supporting women. Completely different vibe.” (Debbie, 04:34)
• After numerous dating disappointments (apps, matchmakers), decided to take a risk and join.
  • “Not on this level, you know, but, you know, what can I tell you, I’m adventurous.” (Debbie, 05:42)

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Relationships, Rebuilding, and Stigmas

(Starts ~06:07)

• Debbie discusses being the only woman in the group never married or with kids, and the societal stigma:
  • “My career took off at 40…when I was ready to find someone, I did have a relationship…unfortunately, he just couldn’t step up.” (Debbie, 06:07)
• Later relationships didn’t work out; she moved to Denver, did personal healing, and found dating at 50+ tough.
  • “Most men wanted a younger woman.” (Debbie, 07:11)
• Hosts commiserate with these struggles, bringing humor and camaraderie to the discussion.
  • “Oh, you and me both, baby. You and me both.” (Kathy, 08:03)

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First Impressions: Meeting Mel

(Starts ~08:17)

• Despite misgivings over pre-show comments, Debbie chose to form her own opinion upon meeting Mel:
  • “He was so much more handsome in person…I was going to give this man the benefit of the doubt.” (Debbie, 08:17)
• Immediate butterflies and sense of connection.
  • “As soon as we took each other’s hands and I looked into his eyes…I might be in trouble here.” (Debbie, 08:35)

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Building Female Friendships in the Mansion

(Starts ~09:20)

• Debbie was overwhelmed and immediately gravitated toward Roxanne and Cheryl as close friends.
  • “They are just girls, they’re so darn sweet…But honestly, I just thought all of the women were amazing.” (Debbie, 09:30)
• Shared a room with seven women; strong bonds with Cheryl, Roxanne, Mylene, Monica P. (“Barbie”), and especially Terry (“We shared the limo…”).
• Appreciates the adventurous and dynamic group: “Dynamic, risk takers, adventurous spirits, accomplished—and oh boy, were they ever.” (Debbie, 10:04)

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One-on-One Date with Mel

(Starts ~11:48)

• Debbie was thrilled—and shocked—to get the one-on-one date.
• Humorous take on date expectations vs. reality:
  • “We’re driving into deep North Hollywood…pull into this funky little strip mall…I thought, where’s the helicopter? Where’s the yacht?” (Debbie, 13:20)
• Date turned out to be a pizza-making class with Chef Ludo, which delighted Debbie (a Top Chef fan).
• Playful moments, chemistry (“I loved your hand slipping on his ass.” – Susan, 14:09).
• Intimate dinner conversation:
  • Mel tended to deflect personal questions, but they connected over travel and family stories.
  • “What I found…it was difficult to pull stuff out of him…when he did talk about his mom being a badass…his dad…they had a great relationship…” (Debbie, 15:07)
• The date ended well, with kisses and Debbie receiving the rose.
  • “He was so sweet when he gave me the rose…and I loved hearing after the fact…that I was his type.” (Debbie, 16:44)

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The Group Date—People Magazine Beach Shoot

(Starts ~17:47)

• Surprised and delighted to have professional hair and makeup done for the shoot (unlike previous seasons!).
• Chose the “beach patrol” outfit, but friends insisted she try the beach bride look (never worn a wedding dress before).
• During the shoot, Mel and Debbie role-played vows, creating a natural, playful atmosphere:
  • “I’m walking up in the wedding dress…he says, ‘Oh my gosh, I missed you. Let’s just do our vows right now.’” (Debbie, 20:13)
• Debbie felt growing feelings for Mel: “At this point in time…yes, I was [having feelings].” (Debbie, 19:35)
• Notable moment of jealousy:
  • Watching Mel and Cindy’s steamy beach scene: “So we all had to go back up…and watch them rolling around in the sand…Replicating ‘From Here to Eternity’…I was going like this, ‘No, boo!’” (Debbie, 21:32)

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Addressing Drama: Nicole in the House

(Starts ~22:02)

• Debbie had no issues with Nicole, even praising her:
  • “She did my makeup for my one on one date…She is funny, smart, charming, she cooked for us…” (Debbie, 22:15)
• Acknowledged that Nicole’s assertiveness with Mel made her stand out; Debbie admits to being less forward and admires Nicole’s boldness.
• Hosts recall Nicole’s comments about being an influencer and her offhand remarks about other women.
• Kathy: “Everyone has different ways of relating to men…that part I have no problem [with]. Ultimately he’s either gonna decide he likes that or he doesn’t.” (Kathy, 23:40)

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Reflections on the Rose Ceremony & Hope

(Starts ~24:32)

• After her date, Debbie felt more confident at the rose ceremony, but appreciated the extraordinary women around her.
  • “Everybody brings so much to the table…it was just an interesting, wild ride. It’s so surreal, right?” (Debbie, 24:41)
• Emphasis on hope and new beginnings:
  • “It just gives so many women hope…Life is full of possibilities. It is not over at 60.” (Susan, 25:21)
• Debbie:
  • “I had given up. I really did…haven’t been in a relationship in 15 years.” (Debbie, 25:33)

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On Maintaining Friendships After the Show

(Starts ~27:23)

• Debbie asks hosts if friendships from the show last. Susan and Kathy confirm tight bonds with fellow contestants, maintaining group texts, visits, and a special camaraderie.
  • “You aren’t all going to get Gary... or Mel. But we can have each other.” (Kathy, 28:43)

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Fun Segment: Desert Island Picks

(Starts ~29:27)

• Debbie chooses:
  1. Roxanne (for her spirituality and depth, also a great dancer).
  2. Amy (funny and resourceful in the kitchen).
  3. Terry (brings comic relief with her puppet).
• “Amy could figure out, you know, what to cook on this deserted island because she would cook for us all the time.” (Debbie, 30:11)

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Key Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Put my little town on the map." (Debbie, 02:12)
• “[The show] is more about positivity, wisdom, and women supporting women." (Debbie, 04:35)
• “Most men wanted a younger woman." (Debbie, 07:11)
• “As soon as we took each other’s hands…I might be in trouble here.” (Debbie, 08:35)
• “We’re driving into deep North Hollywood…I thought, where’s the helicopter?” (Debbie, 13:20)
• “Let’s just do our vows right now.” (Mel to Debbie on the photo shoot, 20:32)
• “I was going like this—no, boo!” (reacting to Mel and Cindy's beach chemistry, 21:32)
• “I did a lot of healing work on myself…when I was ready to put myself out there, I just found that most men wanted a younger woman.” (Debbie, 07:11)
• “You can find love, you can find happiness, you can find fitness…if you’re willing to put in the work and find it.” (Kathy, 25:43)

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Themes and Takeaways

• Resilience & Reinvention: Debbie’s story showcases perseverance through career pivots, heartbreak, and personal reinvention.
• Supportive Sisterhood: The season’s real legacy may be the friendships forged among women, supporting each other’s journeys.
• Love & Hope at Any Age: The importance of keeping hope alive for meaningful connections, no matter life stage.
• Authenticity & Vulnerability: Debbie speaks candidly about stigmas, vulnerability, and embracing each phase of life openly.

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Notable Segments & Timestamps

• Debbie’s fitness background – 02:12–04:13
• Applying to "The Golden Bachelor" – 04:33–05:53
• Career vs. relationships discussion – 06:07–07:11
• Meeting Mel and first impressions – 08:17–09:04
• Bonding with fellow cast members – 09:20–11:07
• One-on-one date details – 11:48–16:44
• People Magazine beach photo shoot – 17:47–20:51
• Nicole and house drama discussion – 22:02–24:09
• Rose ceremony reflections & hope – 24:32–25:43
• Friendship after the show – 27:23–28:43
• Desert island picks – 29:27–30:26

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Recap Tone

Upbeat, candid, and empowering—just like Debbie and her fellow cast members. The conversation is filled with laughter, empathy, and honesty. This episode would encourage anyone—especially women in midlife and beyond—to keep seeking joy, new adventures, and connection.

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Transcript

[Susan]

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[Susan]

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[Debbie]

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[Kathy]

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[Kathy]

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[Debbie]

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[CBS Announcer]

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[Debbie]

Plus.

[Susan]

Welcome back, everybody, to Bachelor happy hours golden hour. Thank you once again for joining us. Kathy. Are we excited to be back or what?

[Kathy]

We are always excited to be back and especially today because we have a very special guest. Please welcome from this season of the Golden Bachelor, Debbie. Hi, Debbie, how are you?

[Debbie]

Hi, you guys. It's so good to see you ladies. Oh, my gosh, I love you.

[Kathy]

We love you. You look absolutely gorgeous.

[Susan]

You do, you do. And did I hear you say you're like the 14th floor or something? With a view that won't quit in Denver?

[Debbie]

I. I live in Colorado and all the color is changing, so it's funny because when I go to sleep, it's all green. And then when I wake up, it's just all golden. And because I'm facing south, I can actually see Pike's Peak on a clear day. Oh, just looking out at all the glorious fall color.

[Susan]

I love it. Gosh, Debbie, there's so much we want to talk about today.

[Debbie]

I am sure.

[Susan]

I don't even know where to start. I mean, first of all, we didn't get to spend time with you because you were on your one on one date. Although we caught a glimpse of you coming back. We were like, we want to talk to her.

[Kathy]

Well, hold on. Before we get into that, Debbie, when I want to know, I want to know about you. Like, tell me where you're from. What do you do? Give us a little history of you.

[Debbie]

Okay. Well, I am originally from Little Shoot, Wisconsin. Put my little town on the map. And I grew up in a giant family, so I have seven siblings. I have a fraternal twin sister, Donna, and we grew up in a tiny house with one bathroom. And I moved to L. A. When I was 21 and I was a secretary for, like, eight years. And then I kind of fumbled my way into fitness. And before I knew it, I was creating the first program for Beachbody in 1998.

[Susan]

And you do know I've spent a ton on Beachbody. I've had them all.

[Debbie]

Yes, well, Tony Horton And I are the OGs. You know, we created the first program in 1998, and then I had the amazing opportunity to create my own program, Slim and Six, that sold through my infomercials for 17 years, and it's still available on their digital platform.

[Kathy]

So are you. Are you. I know you're still into fitness. Tell. Tell us about that.

[Debbie]

Yeah, well, when I moved to Denver, I was 53, and Beachbody really didn't want to do the startup workout that I really wanted to do, like the beginning, beginning workout, because I was getting older and I had so many requests for. For, you know, slimming. Six is still too hard for many people.

[Kathy]

Right.

[Debbie]

So, you know, he couldn't really pull the trigger. So when I moved to Denver, I started my own company. I found the studio, I funded it all myself. I cast it, I directed it, I created 18 workouts, and I just did everything. And now I have my own digital platform, and it's called Body Dynamics, spelled with an X instead of a C S. And it really is for the 50 plus, but also for people who have limitations or beginners. And it has everything. So I'm really proud of it because there's balance, there's mobility drills, there's seated workouts.

[Kathy]

You clearly are a woman about. You look at, and you talk the talk. So you're all about fitness. Given that you've done all of this, how did you get on the Golden Bachelor?

[Susan]

But wait, Kath, you might have to order one of those for me for Christmas.

[Kathy]

Susan struggles with working out. But seriously, how did you get on the Golden Bachelor?

[Debbie]

Well, you know what? I applied because when I saw the first season, I thought, my gosh, this is so sweet and endearing. I mean, my original thought when I saw this was happening was, who's gonna wanna watch a bunch of old people making out in a hot tub, right? But then as I watched it and Gary was so sweet, and you women were so incre. And I realized it's more about, you know, positivity and, you know, wisdom and women supporting women. And it was a. Just a completely different vibe. And listen, I've tried everything. I've been on the apps, I've worked with matchmaking agencies. I just. I mean, honestly just always ended up in disappointment, frustration. And when I saw the ad for the second Golden Bachelor, I thought, you know what? I could do that. Because I've been on camera before. I've taken a lot of risks. I. I really put myself out there. Not on this level, you know, but, you know, what can I Tell you, I'm adventurous. I. I thought, why not?

[Susan]

We get it.

[Debbie]

Matchmaking platform on the planet, and I'm sure I'm going to meet some amazing width.

[Susan]

I do have a personal question for you. With your fabulous career, do you think that's what kept you from being in a serious relationship because you were too focused on your dream at the time? Is that. Do you mind if I ask?

[Debbie]

No, I don't mind. Because this was brought up so many times, and I knew going in I was going to be the only one never married, never having kids, and it really, you know, I had pause. Really, I was nervous about that because I feel like there's a stigma. But really, my career took off at 40, and I really was ready to find someone at that point. And I did have a relationship for five years. Unfortunately, he just couldn't step up to the plate. He had four children, and I really love that guy, but, you know, I ultimately had to walk away. And then before I knew it, I was 50 and, you know, the relationship I had ended tragically. And so I moved to Denver to start my life over again. And I did a lot of healing work on myself. And. And then when I was ready to put myself out there, I just found that most men wanted a younger woman.

[Kathy]

Oh, wait a second. You got to be kidding. I've never heard that before. Wait, wait, say that again. Men want younger women. Wow, what a shocker.

[Susan]

What did you think of Mel's comment when. Before he apologized and you actually met him. Like, did that deter your thoughts or. Or.

[Debbie]

Susan, that was really tough because, you know, I was already invested in coming on the show and went through all the things. And when that came out, it was very disheartening because the first one was just so endearing and positive and warm and fuzzy and. And he, you know, it was so unfortunate because the, you know, the first glimpse into his character is that, yes, my biggest trigger, Right?

[Kathy]

Oh, you and me both, baby. You and me both. But. But here's the thing. Knowing what you knew or what he had said. Fast forward to night one. Getting out of the limo, seeing him. Tell me what's going through your mind. Tell me what it feels like when you meet him.

[Debbie]

Well, first of all, he was so much more handsome in person. And I knew that I was going to give this man the benefit of the doubt. I was going to form my own opinion. I know people say a lot of stupid things, and they can be blown out of proportion. And as soon as we just took each other's hands And I looked into his eyes, you know, I thought, okay, I might be in trouble here.

[Susan]

You got the butterfly feeling.

[Debbie]

I did because he's, you know, he checks so many boxes for me. And, you know, I've been alone for so long and it's just frustrating because every guy that I had remote interest in was either emotionally unavailable, not ready for whatever reason.

[Kathy]

Debbie, you know what? I just have to jump in and say, you and I must be dating the same guys because we have the. We think pretty similarly on most topics. So either you and I are dating the same guys or they're all the same.

[Susan]

How was it meeting all the women? Like, when you're finally in the house now, did you gravitate towards anybody in particular that you felt more comfortable? Who? Tell us.

[Debbie]

Yeah, when I walked into the mansion and I saw these incredible women, it was overwhelming, right? And I mean, I gravitated right away to Roxanne and Cheryl. I. They are just girls, they're so darn sweet and, you know, just are great listeners and I could just feel their sincerity and. But honestly, I just thought all of the women were amazing. And, you know, I knew this was going to. How it was going to be. I knew it. I thought if these women went through what I went through to get on this show.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Debbie]

Then they are dynamic, risk takers, adventurous, spirits, accomplished, and oh boy, were they ever.

[Kathy]

Who are your best friends in the house? Who, you know, when you met them, your roommates, who are your best bud?

[Debbie]

Yeah, I mean, I was, you know, I roomed with seven women at first and shared the bathroom.

[Susan]

She had our room. Kathy.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Debbie]

So a lot of those women, of course, you know, Cheryl was in my room, Roxanne was in my room. I loved Mylene. And then Monica P. We called her Barbie. Just the sweetest. But I have to say, Terry and I bonded right away because she was the very first woman I met. We shared the limo and so she was doing her puppet stuff in the limo and having us just cracking up. Alex with her sassy self. I mean, she was incredible. And then Lily, who was. She was holding her lilies. Yes. But. Okay, I'm gonna be okay. I'm okay.

[Kathy]

It sounds, it says, sounds so similar to ours that all those feelings of excitement, apprehension, then you walk out, you see this good looking guy. So. Okay, we gotta fast forward now. So sadly, you know, you were not around for our slumber party that we brought, wore, you know, pajamas for, and we saw you come in from your date, but we just didn't get it. You Were coming as we were leaving. But you look. You. You look absolutely beautiful. But I want to know how was your connection with Mel, you know, going into the date? Because, Debbie, this is where your path and my path diverges. I never had a one on one date. So tell me how it feels.

[Susan]

She cook.

[Kathy]

Thanks, Susan. Thank you. Just want to put anything else out there. But seriously, what it felt like going into the date and then about the date and then coming home, how did you feel with the connection?

[Debbie]

Well, going into the date, I was super excited and nervous, and I'm sure you saw the clip of me getting the one on one, and I was so ridiculous the way my emotion was over. But honestly, you guys, it was a combination of the buildup of emotion, right? And then really the complete shock, because I was convinced Roxanne was going to get that, and all of us actually were. So it was shock. It was almost. Oh, my goodness, I couldn't believe it. And then excitement and the emotion. I. What can I say? I'm a sensitive gal. I wear my heart. But I really only had a very little, very brief time with him at the cheerleading competition and then at the pool party. I did have a moment, and I felt we really connected in that moment. But did I think that was enough? I. You know, I really didn't, so I was just so pleased. And then going into the date, oh, my gosh. Well, he shows up and he's just gorgeous, and I'm not. I'm just more excited than nervous. And I don't know where we're going. And I'm thinking, you know, Cheryl had this fairy tale one on one, right?

[Susan]

Yes.

[Debbie]

And, you know, we're driving and driving into deep North Hollywood, and we pull into this funky little strip mall, and, you know, my heart kind of drops, and. And I thought, where's the helicopter?

[Susan]

You know? Yeah, right, right.

[Debbie]

What's happening?

[Kathy]

Where's the yacht? I was gonna say, where's the yacht?

[Debbie]

And then I see, like, this pizza sign, and he says, we're gonna go have pizza. And I said, oh, I love pizza. And I'm thinking, what? I mean, I'm in a dress. But when we walked in there, you guys, I recognized Chef Ludo right away because I watched Top Chef, and I thought, oh, my goodness, how fun if we had a cooking lesson from Chef Ludo. Very.

[Kathy]

Okay, so let me just say in.

[Susan]

Your skin and on that date, like, you just felt the moment and went with it. I loved your hand slipping on his ass.

[Kathy]

I mean, yeah, we saw it, but here's the thing I gotta ask you, Debbie. I don't cook. Susan's right. I could give a flip. I don't care who the chef is. I'm sure he's great. I want to know, what did you guys talk to? Like, did you get any deep moments of. Of this could be my guy? Like, what was the conversation like again? I never had this choice, you know, this option I want to hear.

[Debbie]

Yeah, well, the date was fun and playful, and we did feel very natural with each other. It was. I felt like I knew this guy forever. And when we finished, you know, our little cooking lesson, we got to go around the corner to this intimate, romantic, exclusive little French bistro and having our intimate conversation in front of all the cameras. Cameras, yeah.

[Kathy]

Get to the details. I want to know what was the intimate conversation?

[Debbie]

The details were basically. I mean, what I found it was difficult to pull stuff out of him. Like, he would kind of deflect and. And it would turn back on me. And I was kind of trying to get more information. When he did talk about his mom being a badass and got him into reading and his dad, you know, how much he loved his father. And I, you know, I could feel that his dad passed, you know, recently, and they just had a great relationship and, you know, but mainly it felt like he wanted to know about me and he wanted to know about my past relationships, you know, why I've never been married, and. And all those things, and. But yet I do feel like we had some moments that were great because we talked about travel, and he was quite impressed that I traveled for the very first time to Europe by myself when I was 30. And he's traveled extensively, and he can make friends anywhere. And one of the friends he made on one of his trips when he was quite young, he's still friends with. And so we had a real fun conversation surrounding that. And, you know, we had some kisses and. And you got the rose, and I got the rose. And he was so sweet when he gave me the rose. And I loved hearing after the fact, you know, when I'm listening to the. To the promo pieces and that, you know, I was his type. And. And I felt that, you know, I felt like we were each other's type for sure.

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[Kathy]

Can we summarize the date by coming home. You came home. I mean, you looked so happy. I'm guessing it was everything you wanted and more.

[Debbie]

It was.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Debbie]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

I'm so happy for you. I'm so glad that. That you've had that.

[Susan]

Yeah, we were all pleased. We were all fans. Trust me.

[Kathy]

All right, well, so getting into this week's episode. Oh, boy. Tell us, because Susan has a few things to say. How was the group date for you?

[Debbie]

Well, I will say this. The People magazine shoot was over the top. Like, honestly, we didn't know where we were going, but, you know, beforehand we had our makeup and hair done. So we were grateful for that because God knows we were doing our own hair and makeup.

[Kathy]

Hold on, hold on. You got your hair and makeup done for that shoot?

[Debbie]

Yes.

[Susan]

Listen, we had to do our own. I had to do everybody's.

[Kathy]

Anyway, carry on. Just a little added note there.

[Debbie]

That was. But, you know, we had to pick from a rack of different themes for the beach shoot. And I actually grabbed the beach patrol because it was this red bathing suit, but it had a really nice long red sarong, which I wanted to cover my legs. And the girls are so cute because they know I've never worn a wedding dress. I've never even tried one on. So the girls are like, no, Debbie, this is you beach bride. And I said, oh, my gosh, how sweet. So I wore the gorgeous.

[Susan]

Oh, you look beautiful.

[Kathy]

You looked beautiful, Debbie. I will say it was somewhat of a disaster on our season when we had the photo shoot. There were, like, three or four brides because apparently Gary didn't want to be monogamous. But it didn't go as well because women got upset because they hadn't worn a bathing suit. But I will tell you, the beach dress that you had on, wedding gown, it was like a white slip. You looked beautiful. And I said to Susan, it was. It was beautiful because I could imagine you getting married on the beach in that dress.

[Susan]

I have a question for you, Debbie. At this point in time, did you realize that you already have feelings after your date? Like, were you in it now?

[Debbie]

Okay, yes, I was. And then wearing this beautiful dress. And I had a veil, too. But when I was doing the photo shoot with Mel, blew off.

[Kathy]

I saw.

[Debbie]

Fell off. Right?

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Debbie]

But first of all, we get to the beach, and we don't know what's happening. We walk up and the production is giant, and Mel's standing there with this gorgeous woman. And he introduces her and we all look at each other thinking, oh, my goodness, this is going to be so epic. And, you know, it was so cool because it had drone shots and.

[Susan]

Yeah, it was great. Great.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Debbie]

But here I am trying to get ready really fast because I'm first up on the beach to have my one on one photo shoot with him. And I'm walking up in the. In the wedding dress and he looks incredible. And he says, oh, my gosh, I missed you. And then he said, let's just do our vows right now.

[Susan]

I heard that.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Debbie]

Okay. Yeah, I'm ready.

[Kathy]

Be careful what you wish for. Be careful what you promise.

[Debbie]

It was so much fun. We just, again, we just are so natural and comfortable together and. And then, of course, watch everybody else's one on one.

[Susan]

Well, I saw your face.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Susan]

And I felt you. I have a lot of empathy. And watching you watch the other, it was hard.

[Kathy]

Didn't you say when you. Didn't you. I can't remember. There was something you said when Cindy and Mel were in the surf making out. You said something. I can't remember.

[Debbie]

Yeah. Well, first of all, you know, the photographer picked who he thought had the best chemistry with Mel. And I thought for sure it was going to be me. Right. But it was Cindy. And so we all had to go back up onto the deck and watch them rolling around in the sand like they were replicating From Here to Eternity. You know that movie?

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Debbie]

And I was going like this. No, boo.

[Kathy]

Well, you know what? I like a woman who knows what she wants in her man. I mean, you know, who could say anything wrong with that? But I. Okay, so we loved how you looked. You look gorgeous in the dress. Clearly you and Mel have a connection. There's no denying that. You can see it getting stronger each week. Now let's get to one of the prettier parts of this episode, which would be, how you feeling about that old drama with Nicole at this point?

[Debbie]

As far as Nicole's drama, I. I didn't have any problem with her at all. I mean, I shared a bedroom in a bathroom with her. She did my makeup for my one on one date.

[Kathy]

Wow.

[Debbie]

And by the way, she is a fabulous makeup artist and I found her.

[Kathy]

That'll come in handy for her. Influencing, I'm telling you.

[Debbie]

But she is funny, she is smart, she's charming, she cooked for us. She. But, you know, women had an issue with it. But honestly, I was. I even in my interview, I said, you know, you do you. I am not A flirt like that, I kind of wish I was. I mean, I have a hard time with flirting. I had to really put myself in, you know, out of my comfort zone. I always hung back. You know, I wasn't the first to pounce on him. So there was a part of me that was kind of almost envious that she so brave and, you know, she was very unapologetic about it. She would do it again and. And I just, you know, honestly, I didn't care.

[Susan]

I don't mind that part at all. I admire that she's up front and center. It was the part that she was there for, becoming a great influencer and then talking to all the ladies about it and then saying the most negative comment about our show, that we weren't very attractive.

[Debbie]

I didn't hear that.

[Susan]

Oh, yeah. Deb.

[Kathy]

Yeah. Said that we were not as good looking as your crowd. So now looking at you, Debbie, I might have to agree with her. But yeah.

[Susan]

So it's okay.

[Kathy]

It's okay. You know, we're all good. It's women supporting women. And, and I love your attitude about. About Nicole. Because while we all love women supporting women, the other side is, you know, this is your shot. Take your shot. Shoot it, whatever that expression is. Everyone has different ways of relating to men. And that's her way. And that part I have no problem. Ultimately, he's either gonna decide he likes that or he's gonna decide he doesn't.

[Debbie]

Exactly. Exactly. And that's what I thought. And you know, the only thing I guess maybe I was a little bummed about is it took so much time from, you know, because he was in the pool for such a long time. And I even said, you know, shoot. It just took me two and a half hours to get ready. I ain't jumping in the pool.

[Kathy]

You know, we've got our party straight. Debbie.

[Susan]

Debbie, did you feel a bit more confident when you went into the rose ceremony? Yes. Because you have that connection.

[Debbie]

I've had the rose. But after, you know, after the group date, yes, I did. I definitely felt confident. I. I didn't know, you know, how far I would make it or anything like that. Because I just find all these women to be so spectacular and, you know, everybody brings so much to the table and, you know, and it was just an interesting, wild ride. It's so surreal, right?

[Kathy]

Yeah. Yes, it is.

[Debbie]

The whole time I kept pinching myself, thinking it was almost like an out of body experience, really. Yeah. Yeah, right?

[Susan]

I know it is. I know it was real. It was.

[Debbie]

Yeah.

[Susan]

And it just gives all so many women hope that, you know, life is full of possibilities. It is not over at 60.

[Debbie]

Yes.

[Susan]

And not everybody's going to end up on a TV show, but.

[Debbie]

Right. But that's the biggest message, Susan, you know, because I had given up. I really did. I had given up. I haven't been in a relationship in 15 years.

[Kathy]

Right. Well, that's what, you know, people ask us when we came off the show. And Susan, I have said repeatedly, it's, this is your last chapter. Let's make it the best, the longest. You can find love, you can find happiness, you can find fitness, you can find whatever you want if you're willing to put in the work and find it. And that is the great message, I think the best message of the golden Bachelor. We all want to find love, but not all of us are going to on that show. Right, Right. Unless you're a polygamist, and that's a whole nother TV show. So. So wait, Debbie, do you have any questions for us? We've been running our mouths. Do you have any questions for us?

[Debbie]

I do. I wonder if you ladies have found love.

[Susan]

Yes.

[Debbie]

You have?

[Susan]

Yes. Oh, it was just this year, Kathy and I were on vacation in St. Martin and we went out that night for dinner, had an espresso martini, couldn't sleep, and I'm laying it. We washed our face, did our girl talk. She goes up to bed, and I'm playing games on my iPad, Wide awake. And I said, I want to download Tinder. First person, stupid.

[Kathy]

No.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

He lives in St. Martin. He's French. He speaks mostly French, but they spend a lot of time together. And my answer is very quickly, no, but you know what? It's the fact that we just keep at it and we keep looking and not giving up. It's the positive.

[Susan]

And keeping yourself out there in a positive way. Kathy. Exactly right.

[Debbie]

Yeah. Any other questions? Yes, I wondered because I know that we're all talking about we're gonna be friends forever and we want to see each other. And I'm wondering how many of you actually are still in touch and, you know, still see each other.

[Susan]

As far as seeing each other, mostly that U.S. east coast and Kathy in Texas, like, it's from Teresa to myself. And then Joan and Nancy live close together, and Kathy and I are always together.

[Kathy]

Right. I will say. I will say we're friends with everybody. Obviously, the women that you on the show with longer, obviously you have a tighter relationship with them. But Nancy and Joan and Susan are coming to my House. At the end of the month, we're gonna leave some scars in Austin. We're gonna change the city. But. But we have other friends. I mean, I talked to Leslie, but you're not, you know, you're. You can't be as good friends with everybody. But what a gift these friendships have been. I mean, you will see that as time goes on. It's such a gift. We aren't all going to get Gary. We're not all. Thank God. We're not all going to get Mel. But we can have each other.

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[Susan]

Kathy, remember the other question we used to ask on our podcast? If you had to pick three people to be on a deserted island with, who would they be and why?

[Debbie]

Oh, interesting. Okay. I would pick. Oh, my God, that's so hard. I would pick. I would pick Roxanne. I just adore her and I love how spiritual she is. She's very deep like I am. She's just got a lot of layers. She's a really good listener. She's a great dancer. We would have a lot of fun, for sure. Okay, who else? Probably Amy, because she's just.

[Susan]

She's a ball of fire.

[Kathy]

Oh, my God.

[Susan]

Somebody to make you laugh. Good.

[Debbie]

And she could figure out, you know, what to cook on this deserted island because she would cook for us all the time.

[Susan]

Right.

[Debbie]

And then probably Terry because she'd bring. She'd have her puppet and you know.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

Wow.

[Susan]

I love it. As the seasons are building now, this is the third. You know, first it was ours and then Joan and then Mel. And as our family gets bigger and bigger, how things evolve and change. Like just on the show alone.

[Kathy]

Yeah, right.

[Debbie]

I know, it's exciting.

[Kathy]

I'm looking forward to us being friends, all of us, the two groups of women.

[Debbie]

That's. And you know what? I'm telling you, this is the one, one of the things I was most hopeful for, that even if I don't find love, I'm gonna make amazing new friendships. I'm gonna blow up my life. I'm gonna expand my life because since moving to Denver. My life has gotten a little small. And I just realized, Debbie, you need to light a fire under your butt. You need to shake things up again. And I knew that this would.

[Susan]

And so Kathy and I will come to Denver. We will come to Denver. We will.

[Kathy]

We'll come.

[Debbie]

Cheryl lives here, too.

[Susan]

We told Robin we're going to go to the winery now. We're going to Denver.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Debbie]

And you take us on her motocross dirt bikes, too.

[Kathy]

Oh, God. Okay, on that happy note, before I break a leg, that we. We've got to wrap this up. But it was so much fun, Debbie, actually chatting with you and not watch you go up the stairs and not being able to talk to you. So this has been grand, and we really love getting to know you. You are a lovely human being inside and out, truly.

[Debbie]

Absolutely. Thank you so much. I've enjoyed every single second of it. I was so looking forward to it. And I'll make sure that I, you know, post and, you know, I want everybody to check it out.

[Susan]

Yeah, we'll follow each other and we'll get together. We'll definitely get together. And thank you to all our listeners. I'm sure you love Debbie as much as we do. And make sure to follow Bachelor Happy Hour as we have new people, new episodes, and new conversations coming out every week, and you don't want to miss it.

[Kathy]

And make sure to submit your questions to us. You can go to bachelor nation.com golden hour or DM us on Instagram at.

[Susan]

Bachelor Happy Hour and listen to Bachelor Happy Hour's golden hour on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you listen to your podcast. Until next time, take care. This is an I heart podcast.