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Snatching up family members and two wars that was supposed to be done in 24 hours. Not to mention Epstein, we had to reach out to the homie Jamel Hill, cuz she gonna keep it a century in America. What sells in politics are narratives and storylines. It's like we treat politics like we treat sports, which is part of the reason why we're in the situation we're in right now. Listen to the Hood Politics with Prop podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you, but if you have unmedicated adhd. Oh, my God, Perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness psychobabble. Yes. Yes. Then Emergency Intercom's the podcast for you. Open your free iHeartradio app, search emergency Intercom and listen now. Hey, everyone. Welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Wells Adams, and this is Bachelor in Paradise Unplugged. The beach is officially closed for the summer, and our cast has returned to hash out some unfinished business. I think we have to start with introductions of all these beautiful people that I had to serve drinks to for two fortnights. Let's start with Andrew. Hello. He's the only one that wanted it, man. Alex Dale. Yes, I am. Cat Spencer. Jess. Jeremy Bailey, Shawnee Boy, Alicia, Leia, Jonathan, Brian, Kathy. And the guy who I think should be the next golden bastard. All right, we gotta start with the most important thing, which is. Jeremy, why do you hate old people? I'm kidding. No, the most important thing is talking about the two couples who ended up winning not only money, but you found love. Give us the update, Andrew. Alex, what's going on? Everything's going really well. You know, we've been in hiding for a while. The disguises were out, so it was great. No, we. We still navigated through, you know, watching the show and also just kind of like, dating outside of the show, and I think that was very important to us. I was like, yeah, go ahead. Text all your hoes that you had before. I was like, no, I'm serious. I was just like, make sure. Just be, like, sure. You let everyone know, like, hey, you know, I'm gonna pursue something with this guy. And I was like, I think that was just the most important thing. Just, like, translate paradise into real life. Because paradise is, you know, it's a bubble. It's kind of tough. Like, I don't get to wake up and see her every day. She, like, lives in la. I live in Chicago. So. Yeah, what do you want to say, baby? I think you covered it. Yeah, it's been lovely. And in that short period of time that we've had, I feel like I've helped you grow and you've helped me grow so much, and I'm so thankful for that. Yeah. So it's been doing. Going really, really well. On a personal note, I mean, I get to see everyone's love story kind of unfold behind the bar. And I do think that you guys had the cutest story, and I think a lot of it, A lot of it wasn't told. We didn't pay him. We didn't pay him because it was such a funny, awkward, cute, like, burn. And I just got to say, like, I love you too. Don't worry, I'm going to get to you. But, like, watching your guys's love story unfold in front of me was, like, really, really cute. And I'm just. I just want you guys to know that I'm rooting for you. I apprec. Thank you so much. And the crazy thing was, is when we had our chat before I decided who I was going on a date with, I remember talking to you, and you were like, I'm sorry, I'm so awkward. I'm super nervous. And I was just like, oh, this is, like, this is perfect. Like, now I feel like I know who you are. You're not, like, putting up some, like, guard or trying to come off your best self, like, in a different way. Like, it was. That was not my best self because, oh, my gosh. But that was super nice. And then, like, when we. When I be lined to you and, like, morning and talked about it, I think I just knew right then and there, like, that's what, like, I wanted to pursue. And what I wanted to do is just kind of be around you and, like, be ourselves, and it just felt perfect. And you wanted a weird girl. Aww. I do like a weird girl. You guys are perfect. Thank you. Speaking of perfect couples, I mean, we gotta talk about the golden retriever that looks like Clark Kent and Spencer and Jess. You guys, congratulations. You won some money and you guys got engaged. How you guys doing? I'll let you take this, babe. Hey, can we see the ring? You go for it. Thanks for bringing up. You heard it here first. She's not wearing the ring, so it is getting resized right now. Don't worry, guys. We are still engaged. No, but we're doing so good. We have really, honestly enjoyed this time of, like, hiding and just getting to spend time with each other. It's obviously hard, you know, staying hidden. There's so many things we want to do and experience together, but we really just try to take this time for what it is. And we're so excited to get out there in the real world and go on some dates. We're actually getting on a red eye flight straight to Tennessee for him to see my hometown and meet the rest of my family and the rest of my friends, and it's gonna be so much fun. Also, spoiler alert. I am moving to Dallas, everyone. So at the beginning of year, I'm going to move to Dallas. We just feel like it's the best thing for our future right now, and we're super excited. Yeah. She has met my whole family. We went back to Utah. They have disowned me. They have disowned me. And she is now their daughter. So I'm. I'm without family. No. But I haven't. I haven't been able to meet her parents yet because Erwin is. It's a real small town. Real small town. We got a couple thousand people there, so if we would have gone there would have been hard to stay under wraps. So we're going there asap and. Yeah, no, it's just been the best time to be able to have time, just her and I. I cannot wait to actually live a normal life and be able to go on a date we haven't been on. We talk about literally going to the grocery store. Like, we just want to go to the grocery store and pick out groceries together. Grocery store, morning walks. Let's go on a date. Let's, like, actually be able to date normally. I think is the thing I'm looking most forward to. Did you guys ever think that you Would find your person on some weird, wacky. No reality. Wait, this is actually really funny. I had a trip planned with my boss and some of her girlfriends that I was literally, I had it plan. I was supposed to leave like May 22nd or something. I ran out of clothes. I had another trip planned. I didn't think that this would ever happen for me in a million years. And then I met Spencer and he changed my life. And I'm a romantic in my best case scenario. In my best case scenario, I was like, yeah, maybe I meet someone that I can like date outside of this and we see if we can make something work. But then there's always the logistics going on in your head of most likely we're not going to be in the same city. Paradise is a little bit of a bubble and dating outside of that is differently. And then I met her. So that all changed. Everything changed. Yeah, it all changed instantly there. So I knew after the first day I was either going to spend my whole time in paradise getting to know her, or I was getting on the flight back to Dallas. So I gotta say, okay, real quick, just for everyone out there watching and listening, I very rarely cry. I have black heart and no soul. But when you said I can make more money, but I can't make more Jessica Taylor, that really got me too. It was the line of the season, I have to say. Well done, dude. Well, let's go through all the other couples, see the other ones that were engaged. Kathy and Keith, how are you guys doing? What's going on with you guys? I got a ring. It's just on the wrong hand. Yeah, yeah. No ring. No ring. No, we're still great friends. I mean, we met each other back in February at an iHeart event there and we became really good friends there. And it just has even grown much more than it, you know, the experience. I know. You know, you read all the comments and everybody, they go, why are they still on it? You know, it's for love. And I'm a big Bachelor in Paradise fan and I really believe it's for. I'm going to cry now too. And I believe it's for love as well. And so I knew that we needed to go at some time. But I really enjoyed my time with you, Kathy. We had a great time and I just want to say that, yeah, there's. At our age, there's different kinds of love. And I love Keith. He has been such a good friend to me and we continue to be friends and we both are looking for romantic love. But we have each other as great friends, and that's really important, too. Well, it was very fun to watch you guys on tv. I love these couples here. I love you guys, so I'm gonna cry. I love you guys so much. I mean, I talk to Alex, like, a lot. I think out of everybody. I love you so much. Who's this Keith, man? One of her hoes. Hey. And I want to apologize for the statement I made about you drinking all my booze. No, so. But it was true. My daughter texted me. She watched that show. And my daughter texted me. She's like, dad, at least you were authentic on the show. Parisa, Brian, what's going on with you guys? Want to start? It was a good run, you know, it was a good run. It was a good run. Yeah. And it was a great experience. Yeah. That I wouldn't take back. I think life just kind of got in the way for me running my restaurant. Distance is tough, but we're still, you know, good, close friends and. Yeah, okay. We'll get back to you. Yeah, I know more's coming. So, Jonathan, Leia, what's going on over there? You guys still friend zoned each other making Tiktoks or what's happening? Pretty much. I mean, we were friends before, and I think it kind of just brought us closer. Yeah, we got to go through. Like I told her after we got off, I'm like, if I was in that position with anybody else, I don't think I would have had half as much fun. I mean, I think anybody could tell. If you guys know me outside of it, you could tell I just wasn't loving my time about halfway through. So when she. I'm getting there. And then when Leah got there after, we kind of fixed our friendship, like, everything just started to get better. And, yeah, we had a lot of fun. And then we left the show on the best terms possible and spent a lot of time together, watch episodes, chat about everything. And she's kind of just helped me get through everything, and I think vice versa. Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't have had it any other way, honestly. I know I talk all the time about we should feel in love. I think that everything, like, really was meant to happen the way that it did. And I'm so grateful for Jonathan. And, yeah, we're just the best of friends. We support each other. I help him wingman his ladies. He helps me out, you know? So, like, we have a good dynamic going on here. Well, listen, I gotta say, one thing that America was robbed of was your Interviews. You were the weirdest person. Well, if we do in our paradise, I hope you come back because you deserve to find someone there. If I'm still single by a year from now, please. Sean, Alicia, are you guys still hot and heavy? What's going on with you guys? Yeah. Well, we saw you for the fourth of July. Yes. So that was fun. I hosted you at my country club. Thank you. We definitely left paradise with a great relationship and continued it on the outside. We've kind of been faced with a little bit of distance, I would say. I've had some opportunities come up in LA and I've pursued them, and that's something that we've discussed. I'm not willing to compromise my career goals for a heterosexual man, and Sean supports that. So. We love each other. I think we're best of friends and more than anything else, just the best of teammates, and we respect and care for one another. Yeah, it was a good run. Yeah. But no, I. Everything she said was correct. I think, you know, distance is really tough, obviously, and, you know, when you put it in the grand scheme of things, of, like, paradise, we've known each other for, like, 26 days prior to leaving together. And, you know, there's certain things within your career and your life that you got to take advantage of. I mean, opportunities don't happen that often. So, you know, at the end of the day, like, I have my career, she has her career, and, like, it makes it tough with the distance, but we did walk away with the best of friends, so. Very happy to leave paradise with that. Nice. Well, I want to say congratulations on winning the Masters this year. Thank you. If you're not first, you're last. So, Jeremy Bailey, what's going on with you guys? Yeah, I feel like, similar to, like, Alex and Andrew, we definitely restarted our relationship. I think we were really happy with the foundation and the things that we really got to know about each other in paradise. And I feel like we've honestly spent so much time with each other this summer, just traveling back and forth. We went to Portugal. He met my mom and my sister over there, and we traveled around a little bit. And I've been in New York for majority of the summer. I think a lot of people that posted spoilers can attest to that, so I feel like that's been fun. We have been trying to do the disguise thing, but, you know, you can only wear a wig so much before your wig gives out, so. So I feel like we just really loved being with each other every day. And, yeah, we Definitely have some exciting plans for later this year. And she's moving in with me. Yeah. New York, baby. So, yeah, I feel like we're in a really good place and really happy with each other and meeting families, and I feel like that's all you can really ask for. And friends. And he's met all my best friends. I'm meeting his best friends. So, yeah, we're really happy. Well, congratulations, you guys. Last but definitely not least, we have Dale and Kat. How are you guys doing? We're in a great place. I can say kind of the same thing y' all both said. Restarted a little bit after paradise because the biggest thing is understanding, like, lifestyles. I travel a lot, and it's not always the easiest, but, you know, my intent was early on to make sure that I was spending as much time in San Diego as I could so that we could just get a sense of the relationship. Fast forward. She hasn't met my family or anything yet. South Dakota is. Yeah, it's South Dakota. So no one's stepping off that plane or in that airport. But, you know, I had the chance to spend time with her family, which was amazing. And, you know, our goal is just to build this relationship as strong and as tight as possible. We've talked about all the things, whether it's San Diego, I mean, even recently. Like, you know, we're just open. We want to be together. We want to do this the right way. And I think, like, throughout paradise, we. We had a very real natural arc of how relationships go. We had the worries early on. We had the triggers that popped up. We had the moments where we had to manage meltdowns. We had to, you know, stand up for our partner and never me. Oh, we both had meltdowns. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's true. But, you know, deaded and the bugs. And the bugs. Good crossroads here and there. But I think that, like is a. Is a beautiful thing. I think a lot of times on some of these shows, like, people are so afraid to just be. The thing I love about Kat so much is that she's messy, she's imperfect, but she's beautiful in every sense. And, like, that's not something that I can't do that right now, like, scares me, you know, And I'm also the same way. It's like Dale and then Dale comes out. I was drinking too much Rose. But I think anyone that, you know, has been on the show kind of understands, like, how I'll ride for somebody, and I know that, like, Kat will ride for me. So Everything else, like, we'll figure out we didn't win the prize. But, you know, I think on the challenge side, we still, you know, we're 10 toes down and held it down, you know. Wow. He said it all. Georgie approves. My little kitty approves, too. So that's what really matters. Yeah. Yeah. No, he's hooking away. He's. It's been wonderful. Family's met him. Everything's been really good. Nice. Yeah. Well, Kat, you're not a rookie to paradise. This is your second venture to the beach. I gotta get your thoughts. One, why did you come back? And two, what did you think about the new digs? Well, I will say I was very hesitant coming back to this because of just, you know, it's. It's hard to put yourself back in a situation where it didn't work out well the first time. So, like, I was very hesitant to come back and make myself vulnerable and all the things, but the opportunity presented itself, and I said, why not? I was in a really good place in my life. I feel a little bit more secure in myself. And they did promise there was going to be air conditioning, so I. That was, like, my very first question, and I just kind of. I also didn't know anything about anyone. I came in without any background of anybody having watched, and that's very different than the time before. So I thought this would be kind of an opportunity to see where that can go and just come in, like, fresh. And if it didn't work out, I could always leave. So I had the autonomy to do that and just wanted to see what was going to happen. And as far as the setup, it's so much better. I actually, at one point said I felt like I was on vacation, which is crazy because it was still in the tropics, and I don't vacation in the tropics. And so it was just overall and I think the cast in general, everyone was just very, like, honestly, probably the most authentic I've been around, and that makes it such a more real experience, and that's when you can form, like, real relationships. So it was great. Nice. Hey, bachelor nation, I got a date card for you. You're invited on the ultimate group date. 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All right, West West Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop podcast. You already know our get down. If you grew up in our urban areas, a comfort of struggle, you understand politics much more than you giving credit for feds taking over American cities. Government. Hop out, boys hopping out the van, snatching up yo Theo and them two wars that were supposed to be solved in 24 hours. Jerry just out here mandering all over the place, the turfs and of course, the Epstein of it all. Well, this week we decided to shoot our shot and boy, did we pull up from the logo to see if we could get somebody to come tap in with us. And the one and only Jamil Hill pulled up from the Spolitics podcast to keep it a whole century. The American public is used to being entertained. We're a consumption society. So what Trump figured out is entertain them and they'll never question you. Listen to the Hood Politics with Prop podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. 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Go and figure it out for yourself. Okay, that's us. What the heck? That's us. My name is Curly and I'm Maya. In each episode, we'll talk about love, friendship, heartbreaks, men, and of course, our favorite secrets. Listen to the Super Secret Bestie Club as a part of the Microtura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Well, obviously things were a lot different this paradise all of a sudden involved in their. These challenges as well. Jess, I was wondering what your thoughts of. Of the challenges were in the relationship tests. Yeah, honestly, it's funny because I see the comments online and people are like, oh, these challenges suck. Blah, blah, blah. I enjoyed them. I thought they were really good for our relationship. There's only so many things that you can talk about and scenarios you can kind of make up in your head. Whereas we were kind of actually put to the test. We got to learn things about each other that maybe we wouldn't learn until way later down the road. We got to see how each of us, you handle conflict, handle losing, which was tough. Yeah, at times it was tough losing. We're totally okay with it. Yeah, no, I love the challenges. I thought that it brought us closer together and it gave us an opportunity to just like work as a team. Yeah, yeah. I'll second everything. The beautiful woman to my left side. You guys are already married. This is. My father in law at our wedding said the only two words you need to remember are yes and dear. I will say I can't imagine our relationship being where it is right now. If we would have just been sitting on a beach for a month, you know, the fact that we had these challenges that did bring up, you know, potential conflict scenarios of where you might see yourself in the future, what you're looking for in a relationship that would last outside of paradise. And yeah, I think the, the competitions were overall a huge plus. Dale, what did you think? Do you like the competitions? I. I like the competition. I mean, taking an L was. Was definitely hard. Taught me a lot. Yeah, he took the L's. Yeah, yeah. I mean, but I think the competitions were. Were great, honestly, because at that stage, I think everyone had formed, you know, for the most part, just because some people were kind of forced into a situation where they might not have had the romantic connection, but they still had to find common ground and really, like, dig deeper into their partner. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Whatever. Grow up. Giggity, giggity. Yeah, yeah. Wait, I missed Jeremy. You're a child. For those who, like, had that that connection, it really, really forced you to get uncomfortable and put yourself aside and, like, give everything that you had. Like, I know that for me personally, the money was an incentive, but I was like, at the end of the day, I didn't give a fuck about the money. I cared about coming through for Kat. And, like, from a financial standpoint, like, yeah, it's an incentive for the relationship, but I feel like most people, the focus, you know, was their partner. And I don't know, like, that's. That's just my. My take. But, yeah, I think it was. It was fun. Yeah, it was fun. To be honest with you, I wasn't sure if it was going to be a successful endeavor, but now watching it back and experiencing it and then seeing all the. The successful couples that came out of this season, I actually do think it was actually really helpful. So I hope that, like, it's something that we continue doing because you want to see what your partner does in times of stress or. Or how they take a loss and all that kind of stuff. It's important, and I think it was really cool. What. You know, the last thing that was kind of big and different about this season was the advent of the Golden's coming in. Bailey. And it seems like so, I mean, I think that the Golden's had an impact on everyone, but it seemed like, Bailey, for you, you really were kind of impacted by the Golden's being there. I wanted to get your take on them being there. I absolutely adored having the Golden's there. It honestly just, like, felt like my parents were there. So I feel like I just got to kind of like. I don't know. It's, like, hard when you're prosthetic processing all these things, and then, like, there's cockroaches crawling up your legs and you're like, how am I supposed to send people home? I don't know. There's a lot. You know, there's a lot to process. And I feel like I really enjoyed having all the Goldens there because it just felt like my mom and my dad were there, and I just was able to, like, be with them and get advice from them and laugh and not feel stressful. And I, like, would love when Kathy would, like, do these random quizzes with us and just, like, take all of our minds off of everything. She'd be like, would you rather have a shark bite your toe? Or, like, I don't know. So I feel like having the Goldens there really positively impacted my experience, and I probably would have gone home earlier Just from, like, mental stress. And I loved the challenges. I think it was really important for all of our relationships, but I think the environment is a really stressful environment, and you're processing a lot and you're not always in the best head space. And so I feel like, for me at least, having the Goldens there was really nice, necessary, and I kind of feel like they should get their own paradise or be there. Thank you. I don't disagree with that. Team Golden's there. Listen, like, the challenges, I wasn't really sure how this was all going to work and what it was going to look like, but as someone who was there the day that you guys all showed up, the. You guys were such a vibe change, like, and it's so weird that, like, you think that the Youngs would be the ones bringing all the energy in. And it was all the Goldens who really, like, injected the beats with so much energy. And I'm just so thankful that you guys showed up. You mean body shots? Yeah. Could I say something about the body shots? That's what they came in and did. I would also like to say that whenever Keith or Kathy or any of the Goldens gave us their perspective on things happening, whether it be within our relationship paradise as a whole, especially with both Keith and Kathy forming this beautiful friendship, I know for all the romantic couples, she was my focus whenever she was around, which is no secret to anyone here. And it was like that for a lot of. For all the romantic couples. Right. You're trying to build this relationship here. And both Keith and Kathy got to see everything from the outside, and they got to see it with an eye that has experienced so much more life than any of us. So whenever Keith or Kathy said anything, and whenever they say anything, I hold it with a lot more gravity, and I love them very much. And I'm so beyond grateful. You made her cry, dude. Your makeup's too beautiful. I can't do that. And it's. I just. When you get to be our age, you realize how important relationships are, and. And the little things don't matter. And you have to get to be our age to know how important people are. And that's why on the show, when Keith and I said we didn't care about the money, we didn't. Because at our age, it's the connection with you guys. It's the connection with people that matter. And senior happiness, it. It made my year. I also want to say one thing, too. Love you guys. Please. We love y'. All. No, it's. I Just want to thank all of you for welcoming us as well. I mean, you know, Jeremy didn't like us in the beginning. I'm joking. I'm totally joking. I'm not joking. Oh, Kathy and Jeremy are fighting. Jerry. Sorry. Go. Of course the tears are over now. I'm coming after you. Yes. So I gave you a chance last night, Jeremy, to tell me how much you love me. No. What does Jeremy say? I didn't want the golden to go home. I just hated the golden. Jeremy. Wait. Kathy, he didn't say that. No. Yes. Don't take my words out of context. I said I didn't like them at first. Yes. But then I ended up loving you, too. Yes. How much do you love me, Jeremy? Put it publicly. You sent me home. So, yeah, I think it's important to know that me, Kathy, and me, Kathy, and Jeremy are all Tauruses. So we are incredibly stubborn. And honestly, he's not backing down on this hill, and neither is Kathy. But here's the thing. I will back down because I have age and wisdom. I am so happy to see you guys in love. We have some gold. We have some youngins transferring over. Yeah. I'm happy for you guys. That's what matters. No, I just want to finish. I just want to thank you for accepting us in here because you didn't have to do that at all. And, you know, you allowed us to be us. And I keep in touch with a lot of you people in here, and I have new friends, and I actually. Yeah, but Kat. I saw Kat at stagecoach before even the show, but she gave me cred. I walk in, and I don't know who came up, like, oh, you're the dude that saw. You're the dude that was at t pain. I was like, oh, my God. Cat said she met you at t pain. And you were like, front row. I was like, you seem like my kind of guy immediately. Let's go grab a drink. You earn 20 for the day. 21. All right. Yeah. Real quick, Dale, can you explain to me what dead it is and what it means? Take it away. Ended. Ceased to exist. No longer in existence. Finished in my vocabulary. I've been, like, hearing that for, like, 10 plus years. New York people all over know the thing. Locker rooms. People knew. Knew it also, you know, the rose probably brought a little vocabulary out. Oh, you're blaming me now? No, you and Hannah both. But, yeah, that was just a moment where I was feeling probably a little too good. But, dude, I was, like, pulling up the chair thinking, like, we're going to have this, like, deep romance. I was like, whoa, where'd this come from? But the reality is, like, you know, in this environment, in these stages, you're like, you go into these situations thinking you know how you're going to handle everything. But the reality is, especially when feelings are involved, certain triggers and certain things can affect you, and the other person may have done nothing wrong or had no context or anything. And I. I've said this to Kat before. You know, in that moment, I thought it was a really great thing for us because it was a realization for me that, like, the reality is I cared for all my friends and everything on the beach, but no one could affect me in the way that Kat could have. And she didn't even have to. Like, she didn't even try. It was just, like, because I cared so much about us being good, and whatever trigger came up and wherever that came from, that was an indication to me that, like, okay, a. I was wrong with how I handled the situation. A difference in communications versus, like, timing and emotions. But after the fact, we moved through it very, very quickly, and it was a big moment for me. And. And honestly, I stand by whatever I'll say dead in it. Does he. Hey, how many of y' all say deaded now? I accidentally use it in my vocabulary, like, way too often. I think I said it on the phone the other day. My girlfriend was like, what did you just say? Why are you saying that? I was like, I don't even know. It's like. It's like a thing now in New York, that's a thing. But I will say, like, if anyone understands, like, being triggered or defensive in that environment, it's definitely me. So I definitely feel like I understood where some things happen. It always comes back to, like, how you move through it afterwards. And I think, yeah, it shows you about people. Yeah, if you do it the right way. Bailey and Jeremy, obviously, timelines are important, but hard to kind of, like, adequately represent on a TV show that's. A lot of stuff's happening in very short windows of broadcast time. I wanted to get your guys's thoughts on kind of, like, when did the connection start? How are you guys feeling in the beginning of your relationship? Yeah, I think the connection started on the first day. You know, we kind of just sat next to each other on the couch like this and started chatting, and we hit things off, and things were still new, and it really just developed for, you know, a long time. Obviously, we both went on other dates, and some things happen in between. And then by the time it was like the competition, like, we were, we were pretty locked in on each other. And like Jess was saying the challenges and stuff really helped and really just helped develop our relationship. And we were at a really strong point to the point where, like, you know, I asked her to be my girlfriend before he left, which I would not have done unless I meant it. And it just gave us like a fresh opportunity. Just like really like talk things over and start fresh after paradise and see where things headed. And to you know, my surprise, they were even better when. When you left a beautiful beach. Yeah. I feel like in the beginning we were also trying to just like suss out, you know, you're. You're just processing so many things and you're also just like you, you don't want to lock in, like on the first, you know, first night because you're just like, what, what's about to happen? Who's coming in? But I feel like we, we both did a really good job of constantly, like choosing each other. Wait, that was not. I'm sorry. No, it's not bad. But I feel like for us, like, I didn't want to leave paradise with any regrets. And I wanted to make sure that like, the whole point of paradise is that you experience so many things that you wouldn't normally do in the outside world. And I feel like normally we're both very much people that just like you're clocked in on one person and that's just how we both normally date. And I feel like at least for us and for me at least, I really wanted to make sure that like, as long as I kept wanting to choose Jeremy after, I think that was the most important thing of like, figuring that out. And then obviously after like three or four weeks paradise time, which is like, I don't know, seven days. After three or four weeks, then you're like, okay, you know, like I did a normal week time of all of this. And I feel like I still know how my feelings are and I still feel. I still know where I'm feeling drawn to. And I think that's kind of at least what those. That's what I was going for. Like, I wanted to go to whoever I was drawn to the most. And every single time that was Jeremy for me. And so I feel like that's what helped further our connection. And then I think going on our one on one date, I think everyone can say when you finally get to go on a one on one date, you're like, oh, this just like when you go on that date with your person, you're like, I feel like our relationship really got to go over all those hills that we were kind of battling. So I feel like that was, I think, the night that we both really felt like we really locked in at that moment and obviously winning the competition. The first challenge was really important too. It just showed how much stupid knowledge we knew about each other. And then from there we were able to just really get deep on our date. 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You know, a thing that I always talk to fans about is I think that everyone needs to give everyone that comes on these shows a little bit of grace because you're really exposing yourselves to millions of people and their judgments and probably the most for you two from this last season. And I imagine that navigating your relationship post show was tough with the, you know, online chatter and fans being upset with things that happened. And I wanted to get your guys's take on how you were able to navigate kind of post show up until now. Yeah, it was tough. I mean, yeah, listen, like, I, I made some stupid mistakes that me and her have obviously talked about a million times during the show before it aired, while it aired that, you know, I wish I could take some of them back. And unfortunately, like, that's how you're judged. And at the end of the day, like, you know, we're, we're pretty thick skin and we know what we have, we know what we had on the show, we know what we've had since everyone who knows us here knows what we have. And we just try not to let people get to us. And like, obviously, you know, I wish that I'm not judged off of, you know, a Few minutes where I acted like a child in front of tens of millions of people. But, but I need to live with that. And you know, it's something that we've talked about and I'm just happy that I have her and that we're in a good place. Let's go back to that kind of infamous phone call situation. Listen, I think that everyone out there needs to have a little bit of empathy because a lot of things were happening at that moment and I know that like in that interview you were upset because of Bailey going on a date with Andrew. So put us in time and place and like what was going through your mind and through your heart? Yeah, obviously, like looking back and watching the show back, I shouldn't have been upset because I did go on a day, like a day before. I think the reason why I was initially like really annoyed was that, you know, she kind of said that she was here for me and in my mind it wasn't like, oh, I'm here for you until someone else comes in. But like looking back on it, I'm like, if I should go on a date, like she should be allowed to go on a date too. And I'd gone, I'd known Bailey for only a few days at that point. I went on a good date with the other girl and, and, and I did have a good time. So it was just like a tough decision. And then like when you hear stuff like that and then I feel, I felt like in the moment, obviously we've talked about it, in the moment I felt betrayed. And then that kind of just like sticks in the back of your head. So then even like when, when she came back and chose me, it was still like in my mind for like a few days after that. And Bailey, for you watching it back, it's gotta be tough. I remember being in your guys shoes, having to watch back hard moments for you. What was going through your mind when you're having to watch a show back. Yeah, I feel like, and I've said this a few times, like it was really hard to watch this entire season back. Honestly, I feel like in the moment of paradise, I gave so much grace because I totally understand. I think it's a really difficult space to be in and it's still difficult to watch it back. But I also understand where everyone's minds are. I think it's really easy to feel insecure. I think it's really easy to doubt things. I think it's really easy to feel stressed. I think there's just so many emotions that you're processing. And unfortunately, you don't have a phone, like, to desensitize you or to, you know, distract you from anything. Like, you really have to go head on with all of your emotions and everything that you're feeling. And the comments are hard to watch because I think most people that are starting their relationship don't have to watch it back from the beginning and see their partner having those moments of doubt or, you know, still juggling different people. And that's kind of how normal relationships work. Like, when you start talking to somebody, you don't know that they're not talking to other people. And I think it's really easy to just want paradise, to feel like these amazing, beautiful love stories that are like unicorns, but like, that. Like they're unicorns. You know what I'm saying? Like, it is. And so I feel like for us, coming out of it, it did just feel like kind of we got through a lot of the challenges that normal relationships would face in the beginning. And I think that's kind of how we processed a lot of those moments. And obviously, I wasn't caught off guard by much. We. We had a lot. We've had so many deep conversations about anything, about everything that was said and just everything that we went through. And so it's still hard to watch those things because, you know, like, where we are now and how in love we are. It's like you have those moments where you're just, like, sad that that happened. But I also feel like that was just such a small part of our story, and it's not like, what sticks in the back of my head every day, if that makes sense. Yeah. And I will say that, like, one thing that I definitely wish I would have changed is, like, when I was, like, just, like, talking out my ass, which I do a lot, I wasn't. Yeah, I wasn't doing it in the headspace, like, oh, you know, if Bailey and I are together, like, I should be way more thoughtful of, like, what she thinks. Watching this back. Yeah, it was kind of selfish. I was just, like, living in the moment, and it was still in the beginning, so I had no idea that we would actually be together. And unfortunately, like, that is what our story was. And I couldn't be happier for, you know, Justin, Spencer and Alex and Andrew. But to our credit as well, we had a great love story. And because of, like, a few days of things that happened, it really. It like, overtook everything. And I think that was the hardest part for us, which was really, you know, Tough for both of us, but especially Bailey, is that we had this amazing love story that, like, I never thought I'd find someone on the beach. She never thought she would, and. And no one really got to see that. Yeah, I agree with that because I was Jeremy's roommate. And, you know, regardless of what was going on, even watching it back, you know, there's so many conversations that happened in the night, but even just the way how affectionate he was with her and, you know, there was no doubt that, you know, they loved and cared for each other and, you know, so even just as friend and someone else going through the experience and watching it back, it was very, very hard for me. And I think, you know, there's a lot of situations within, you know, the show that you didn't get to see some of those moments, but they were down for each other, you know, with. Without question. I gotta ask, like, what do you think would have happened if Susie had come back? I probably would have been like, oh, fuck yeah. What did I do? By show of hands, because this is a question that gets asked, asked a lot online, is who knew about this whole thing before Bailey did? Well, there is levels. Raise your hand. Okay, let me. Can I raise your hand? I'll go. Here's what I will say while we're on the beach. There are rumors that travel around about anything and everything. Yeah. All day, every day. There's rumors of new people coming. There's rumors of this person, kissed that person. There's rumors of this person said this to that person. If all of us spent all of our time taking upon ourselves to go and let everyone know about all the rumors about them, A, it would cause you're wrong. 90 plus. 90 plus percent of the time, first off, second off, you're focused on your person and your connection. And so when you hear a rumor about something happening, I was hearing 12 plus rumors a day, as was everyone here about everyone. So this whole misnomer online of it being everyone else's responsibility to go and do something is just like. It's a bit little frustrating to have that responsibility thrust upon you when A, it's a rumor when you're hearing all these rumors already, and B, I'm spending all my time getting to know her respectfully. To everyone here and I love. I hope everyone here has an awesome life. I think it takes so much bravery to come on a television show. I think it takes so much bravery to put yourself in front of millions of people at the end of the day, just here alone, there's 16 people for 24. Seven we were filmed. They have to capture that in, what, like, 14 hours. Sorry, 24 hours of television, all of our stories, everything that happened. So it just seems a little unfair to thrust that upon anyone. Well, I will say I knew about. I guess, a conver. I knew that something happened. An interview room. Right. Watching it back. Jeremy, unfortunately, if I knew all of the things that I saw, then I would have probably given you, like, maybe 24 hours before I told Bailey. The thing is, is that I think a lot of us are learning things in real time that we were unaware of to the extent. And so it did fall on Brian to be the one to tell you based on the fact that that was said to him. And I. I don't want to speak for anybody, but I'll say for myself, like, I only knew about the phone call if that, like, and still, it was, like, word of mouth. Word of mouth. Still didn't know. And I was also told that you were aware of it, so that it was your responsibility to handle it. Right. So if I. But again, I would never. I never wanted Bailey to feel embarrassed. And unfortunately, I think some of the things that were said did embarrass her. I understand that you guys want to handle your relationship. You didn't want her to feel embarrassed. Yes, I. The last thing I wanted was to. For her to, like, watch it back and feel embarrassed based on, like, what was said, but I just didn't know that things were set to the way they were. And I'm not coming at you. I'm just. I want to give, like, because I'm also getting a lot of hate online because of it, and I don't want to be that. I. I will own it. Like, if I knew what I saw after, like, I would have probably said something to her or at least said something to you directly and said, this is your responsibility to handle. And I. I just didn't know the extent. I don't think there was mal. Intent. I also think you're probably just whispering around, like, oh, my God, Bailey knows this, that, and the other, and we're gonna keep it for. This is something for me to talk about. Maybe. I don't know. I don't know what you think, but here's the thing. I will say this a thousand times. The first person that should have told me should have been Jeremy, always. He should have told me every day of the week. I don't, like, denounce that or anything. I think the hard part is, like, I know the kind of person that I am. And so even when, like, when Ryan sent me the secret rendezvous note, I obviously had every single intention that I was going to tell Parisa after I had time to process it. Because when you're in paradise, the only person that you can really trust is your. I mean, like. I mean, like, I trusted my. Like, my who I'm sharing a room with, who is Alex and Jeremy. Do you know what I'm saying? So, like, that's who I'm trusting the most. And I feel like that's where. I don't know. That's how I process it. I got the note and my first thought was, like, oh, let me talk to Jeremy about this. Because, like, I didn't know what the intention was. I thought it was sneaky, and it came in a sneaky way. And I've told Brian that. I apologize for that, because if I had known what was happening, I would have definitely. I don't. I still wouldn't have done the secret rendezvous because you don't know how things are going to be spun. And I wouldn't have felt comfortable with that. But I still would have. You know, I wouldn't have talked to Jeremy about it if I would have known it wasn't a sneaky way. I think this is hard. I don't blame everyone, and I gave everyone so much grace while I was there because I understand it is such a tough situation to want to go outside of your relationship and have to tell someone something. I also know the kind of person I am, so I would have done that no matter what, for any of my friends, at any moment. I'm. That doesn't matter. It's okay that other people wouldn't. And I just. I can only speak to how I am as a person and what I would do. There's obviously moments where you just have lapse of judgment and it's okay. I think the hard part, for me, at least outside of this, has just been certain people's actions after that fact, because there I gave grace to everyone. I was not mad at the girls. I told you guys, I'm not angry with you. And the only reason I blamed on the girls is because I did not want Brian to get under fire for it because Jeremy had no idea it came from Brian. So. But hold on. So then what upset you about it now? No, I think it's hard. You watch it back and you're like, I wish my boyfriend told me. I mean, Alex, I love you so much, but I wish that my roommate and my best friend would have told me because, like, I left paradise as Alex is my best friend, and we're sharing a room every single night together. And I know you don't like to be involved in drama, and it wouldn't have. I don't think it would have had to be a whole dramatic thing. And, you know, I get it, so I'm not mad at you about it. Obviously, like, Andrew, the tweets were. The tweet was what really, honestly, like, really hurt my feelings because I just gave everyone grace, and I know it's a difficult situation. So even outside of it, I even knew the hate was gonna pass. Like, I processed it that night of, like, watching everything back, and I have received so much hate this season. It's been really, really horrible. And those of my friends that have been there for me know that I have really just been, like, very. Just keeping to myself because it has been really hard to process it all. I didn't want to bring anyone else more hate because I have known what that's like. Because also, like, I receive hate on Grant season two. So, like, obviously, I wasn't gonna call Brian any mean names. He's already getting. At that point, he was already getting a ton of hate, and I didn't want him or Priest getting more hate. Like, I think that kind of how I tried to move with every podcast you do and the things that you say. Like, all of our words unfortunately hold weight, whether we like it or not. So I think that that's a really. It's just. It's hard. Yeah, it's really hard. And I'm not mad at everyone. I think, for me, like, I wanted us to all have each other's backs, and that's how I was trying to act, and that's why I didn't speak ill about anyone in any moment. Even when it's, like, silly to make jokes about other people. You know what I mean? Like, that wasn't my intention, and. Yeah. And I'm. And I wasn't mad at the girls in that moment, and I still gave everyone grace, and I still give everyone grace now because it obviously should have been Jeremy that told me first. And that's really. All I can. All I can say is, yeah, well, some of that something that's. Hold on. Someone's getting a lot of heat online. Is Alex right? Like, so a lot of this is. Is directed towards you. Looking back, would you have done anything differently or how do you feel about it now as you look back? So I've already owned up to it from the start even before it aired to Bailey. And I apologize multiple times. And I should have told you from, you know, the phone call. One thing that, you know, I'll say didn't hurt my feelings. You know, I considered you a really good friend, Jeremy, before going in. And when you told me about the phone call, you know, you kind of said, we've talked about it. It's good. And kind of like letting me know to like stay out of it type of thing. Because you guys never told you that I talked about it. You did. We were in front of the island. You had just talked to Bailey and you said, you know, I've talked to. I said, you should tell her. And you said, I've. I mean, I wish we could have the tape. No, I might have said, like, I'll take care of it, but I never said that I told. I talked to her about it. Not about the phone call, but you said you talk and we're good. That's what I'm saying. So basically kind of like telling. Anyways, it doesn't matter. I should have told you. Yeah, maybe, like, we're good. Like, I'm going to talk to her about it. I don't understand, like, why she told you and you didn't do anything with the information. So if everyone told you, why is it. Why is everyone taking flack for something? No, I don't think that. I don't think that everyone should be. Hold on. I just feel like. And here's the thing with the tweet, it wasn't directed to bringing hate to you. My thing was, I'm sitting here with my partner. She's destroyed. I'm not gonna sit here while you had any ample time to get on Twitter to be like, hey, direct hate at me or my responsibility. Twitter, Instagram, whatever the case. My thing is you never took accountability. You never once apologized to. To Alex for everything going on. Nobody wanted to be in this situation. Happy hour. I do not go listen to. I took account ability, bro. You never talked to her. What time did you ever text her? One time. Dude, I've been getting tens of thousands of comments. I reached out to you. You reached out when you knew you were about to get. We FaceTimed you every week. Wait, wait, here's the thing I'm talking about. You came to visit in Chicago. We had the most fun trip to Chicago. So I think that's why I was so caught off guard, because we and Alex. I'm say this, I didn't know that Jeremy was the first person to Tell you about the call. And so I think that's why it threw me off when I watched it back. But in regards to us having, like, apologies and everything, I don't want you to catch the flack for it. Obviously, you called me when you, you know, you and Andrew called me while I was in Portugal when you realized that, like, you were receiving some hate for it. But I know. I'm not saying that it's bad and what do you mean? It had an air deal. It hadn't aired. We message every day. Like, every. Every episode. We talked about it. We all had a group message and we talked about things. Yeah, but. So I'm just gonna say one thing. What? One thing that. And I obviously want to. I don't want to rehash it because I obviously love you. What I was gonna say is what hurt my feelings is, you know, we had talked it out and we. You guys came to visit us in Chicago, and I thought we were good. And it did, really was surprising to me and caught me off guard that I learned publicly that it was brought up again. And it felt like the blame was put on me on a podcast and that you didn't care about the phone call, but it was more me not telling you. And you're so allowed to feel that way. But it just felt like there was no accountability towards Jeremy. And that really hurt me because I wish that could have been put. Been said privately because we had talked. No, I understand that. Accountability, both public and private. Wait one second, Brian. All I'm gonna say is I said on the podcast that Jeremy should have been the first person to tell me. I also said on the podcast they asked me what I would do in that situation. They didn't ask me who I would answer that question, though. Everyone gets to say how they're feeling. I also get to say how I'm feeling. The reason that it hurt is because I'm every single night looking across from you. We're sharing so many secrets about our life. We're sharing everything. And I just thought that you actually had my back the entire time, so. And that's why it hurt, because I'm watching it back. Like, yeah, this is my boyfriend, but, like, at that point, I knew him for, like, 10, 12 days. So, yeah, I'm sorry if that. That's why. And even after I left, I did. I wasn't even mad about it. I swear to God, like, even when I did the happy hour pass, like, I said I wouldn't do that, but I understand that people are in Difficult situations. People don't want to be built. Yeah. Won't want to be dragged into drama. And I totally get that and understand it. I am so sorry that everyone had to receive hate. Anyone that knows me knows that I'd forgotten In paradise was not an amazing experience for me. And every single day, I was not in a good mental health headspace, especially after I had to send Leslie and Gary home. I was just going through it. So I understand in the moment, people not acting to things, not wanting to act on rumors. And I have never blamed anyone for that. Unfortunately, what did hurt is the tweet, because I was like, I have been wanting to protect all of my friends. These people that I've been with, these. Like, I don't want them receiving any more hate. I. I know how it feels. And so I am so sorry publicly, like, because I just felt I wasn't trying. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm not upset with you at all. Or I'm not. I'm not. Like, the tweet wasn't at you. My thing was. Is still literally at you. Like, when we were on the paradise, everybody was going after Brian when this all happened happen. Now everyone's after Journey. Make it make sense, because you guys watch your back. Brian and I have a conversation, and you know what the energy was? That was not the energy towards you saying. I said, if you would have told. You told man to man, you hang out with him, you work out with him, you go eat with him. You're always in his room. As a guy that feels like that's a friend of mine, I would. Would have loved you to come to me and be like, hey, if you don't tell her, I'll go tell. That was the conversation I had with you, and I said, you should treat barista better. That's all I said to you. In what context? Treat her better, though? Like, in what context you were. You were angry with. And you. The way you verbalized and talked to her. I just didn't like it. That's all I was saying. You never even witnessed it, though. You can't talk about this situation without talking about Brian. And I want to hear your thoughts about this whole situation. Yeah, I just think there's a crazy energy shift right now in the room. I know that rose ceremony. I was the only one targeted. So was my relationship with Parisa specifically what Andrew just said. Like, the way I treated her and, like, things that were completely taken out of context with even, like, Spencer had spoke to me towards the end of the season. Like, listen, he's like, I think a lot of things were taken out of context that I might not have actually seen, that I just heard through rumors, 12 rumors a day. And, like, truthfully, that that was the case between us, like, I wasn't mistreating her in any other way. Like, you know, we've had our ups and downs and things like that, but that became, like, a primary focus, and I became a primary target when it's being completely taken off of everybody who hasn't actually said something to the person. Can I just say one more thing? So the reason I didn't tell you, Bailey, is because we, me and Jeremy had a friendship outside of this. And you had even told me you were very interested in Bailey before coming in. So I knew that. And when the whole date with Andrew happened, he was very upset, obviously. And you came to me and you did say, you know, you know me the best, like, who should I pick? And I said, I don't know, Bailey. You know, outside of this that much, we weren't really close. But I said, I've grown to love her really well, and I think you guys would pair really well. And I know you were angry the next day when she went on a date with him. And I understood that as, like, you know, maybe your ego was bruised and I gave you kind of grace, knowing that you really, really liked her and you had told me that. So I. When you. When the whole phone call thing, I did tell you to tell her, but the reason I didn't tell you is because I didn't want to jeopardize something that I thought would be really, really well, and that's the only reason I didn't tell you. If I felt there was any vindictive thing or mal. Intent, I would have told you. I never. Yeah, and I never thought that you were keeping it from me because all these random conspiracies about whatever, about, you know, about. About you and it, like, it's not about that. I. And. And that's why, honestly, I just wanted everyone to leave this. All of us being friends. And that's what I thought we did leave with. You know what I'm saying? And so I. I'm not mad at you for it. I'm so sorry that you receive hate, and I'm sorry that we didn't reach out, but I think it's just because we've been receiving so much hate. It's really just been way too overwhelming for me. Like, I haven't been able to do, like. Yeah, I Haven't been able to do normal things. I will say, speaking of the hate, thank you to Dale and to Spencer and Sean and Leia and Jonathan for reaching out. And. And that's what's crazy because she called you and texted you and I texted Alex. I did see that. And so I think I was just very thrown off, obviously, by the tweet. And I was just like, oh. I was thinking that, like, we were good, and. But it had nothing. I didn't think. And I know wasn't even with me. And then you're like. And I told you I texted you that morning because I was so grateful that you reached out to me. And I was so thrown off after getting sent it. I was like, oh, like, maybe. I was like, you know, placing so much hold on these friendships, and they weren't actually, like, translating. And so I'm sorry, I just wasn't in the place to be able to talk to either of you because it really did throw me off because I was just like, it does just feel like your world is crashing down. And I'm really sorry that people receive hate because, like, I. I think we can all attest to it. It's horrible. And sometimes people take things way too far. And I wanted us to be able to. I came here and I didn't really have any bad intent. I honestly wasn't even going to talk about it if it wasn't going to be brought up because, like, I just don't think it's necessary. And I don't want you guys receiving any. I don't want any of anybody receiving hate. And it's. It's just. It's really shitty. I want to use on the word we're allowed to use, but it's a podcast. You can say shitty. I want to get some opinion about some opinions from other people, like Alicia. It seems like you want to say something about the situation. Well, you and Sean always got something good to say. No, I stand by Bailey. I think I can vouch for Bailey's character. She's a very genuine person. I've been friends with her before this season, and I know who I'm looking at when I see her. So that's all that I see. And I see Jeremy, the guy that I've met who truly loves her. And I think, like every relationship, it comes to a point where you're going to be tested one way or another. And this was a very bizarre way for them to be put to the test. But I think it's clear at the end of the day they both tremendously care for each other and they have each other's back. And as a friend of Bailey, I support her no matter what. And I hope that they're both happy. And you guys look like you're killing it, so you have my full support. And I feel like I want us all to be able to move on from this and not have it like, looming over our heads. And I'm not mad. 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I wanted to be successful on my own, not just because of who my mom is. Like, I felt like I needed to be better or work twice as hard as she did. Join me for conversations about healing and growth. Life is freaking hard, and growth doesn't happen in comfort. It happens in motion, even when you're hurting. All from one of my favorite spaces, the kitchen. Honestly, these are going to come out so freaking amazing. Be a part of my new chapter and listen to the new season of the Overcome for podcast as part of the Michael Tura Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Well, it's going to get harder because I have fan questions now. All right. Are these fans or the terrible people that sit behind a freaking screen? Donnaadamsol.com I know. That is crazy. That's my mom. Fan question. Brian, did you ever have any other intentions going into the Secret Rendezvous? If you could do it all over again, would you still tell Bailey the truth? There were no other intentions going into the Secret Rendezvous, and now I stand by what I did and then follow up. Why did you take so long to be vocal to others about your conversation with Bailey? Because I knew the repercussions, unfortunately. I knew how the crowd around me would react. Obviously, clearly, after the viewership's response, their reactions are different, but I knew how they would react in the time we were on the island, so I was hesitant. But at the same time, again, I own what I did. This is a fan question kind of for everyone. Why was everyone so nervous about Brian doing the same thing to them that he did to Jeremy? Were there more secrets that people didn't want revealed? I don't think that that was a big thing. Like, Brian was my homie, and I'm close with Brian right now. Like, my thing was because I feel like a lot of times I was like, hey, let me know what the deal is so we can work it out. But it was never about Brian did nothing wrong. I was just like, bro, just let me know what the deal is so, you know, I can support you. Obviously, Jeremy was my. My roommate, and we had talked about the situation and everything, so I didn't think about, like, something that, like, it would be done to me, per se. I just. It was more probably like, are you, like, if, you know, I'm in your corner, like, you know, just let me know what the deal is. But I can understand from his situation, too, because it's a hostile environment. You don't want to be sent home, and then you're. You're trying to build this relationship. But I don't think it was more about, like, a malicious thing. I was just like, keep it 100 with me, you know, if I'm your boy. Yeah. Well, I feel like we could probably do three podcasts just on this one thing, but I think. I think it's probably time to move on. Brian, Bachelor Nation is dying to know, what is your favorite color and why was it so hard for you to let Parisa know? Yeah, Brian, you know, Leia helped me out with this today. My favorite color is fuchsia. He has a favorite color. I don't even know what fuchsia looks like, but that's my favorite color. He was confused. He was confused. Yeah. All right, wonderful. Now, you know. Theresa, let's talk about your relationship with Brian. How did. Did you guys first connect and tell us about the beginning days of that relationship? When I stepped on that beach, Brian really stood out, and he was very outgoing, very tall. That caught my attention. And thanks for the compliment. Yeah. And, yeah, like, I just. From there, I just wanted to get to know him. And I also, at that time, I liked that I didn't know him. I didn't know a lot of people here, so I liked that, like, going in blind where then I can kind of just, like, fill in the blanks to get to know him. Instead of having, like, this bias mindset now, you guys left together, but what's the relationship status now? Well, we tried, and it just came down to really. I feel like having different schedules. I think also, too, I wanted something different in a relationship compared to what Brian wanted. Nothing wrong with that. I feel like a lot of this comes down to compatibility. That's okay. And, yeah, I mean, we tried, and it just got to a point of, like, okay, I think we just need to, like, wave our white flag and kind of just move on. All right, so you guys gave it the old college try. Didn't work out. But are you guys both single? Like, what's going on in your lives, relationship wise? Well, I. I'm seeing someone now. And. And, yeah, I mean, it was. I mean, it's. It was. I don't know. It was. The whole process. Everything was just so hard. It was hard and confusing and I guess. Yeah. I mean, I reached a point where, I mean, like, anybody, when you just keep trying and trying, like, you just. You hit that wall and you're like, okay, well, I mean, I can keep trying, keep wasting time and. Or I just. Just move on. And. I mean, I'm not getting any younger, and neither is he. Neither am I. Jeez, Brian, watching it back, is there anything that you wish you would have done differently when it came to your relationship with Parisa? I think at the BIP VIP suite, maybe I could have answered what my favorite color was. I just made one up. Yeah. Could have done that. It was a long day in feathers, man. In that outfit that we were in, which I totally understand. But I will say, just at the end of the day, like, it was a long day for all of us. We were all hot, all hungry, all in feathers for hours. And, Yeah. I mean, that was just a moment. That was. It was tough because, like, that was a huge thing, especially to win. Yeah. When the vip. VIP suite is huge. And. Yeah. I did it for you guys. I had a moment and I did it. Yeah. I will say. I will say this, though. I read exactly what went down. As they've been on camera all day. They were told they get to go to a VIP suite. They're still filming us. And then you got salty. That's how I read it. Yeah. Just because I know how the sausage is made. We were in there for, like, four or five hours. Yeah. Like, we thought we were actually gonna enjoy the entire thing together. Yeah. I was just. I was hoping that we could just. We could have adapted to the situation and know, like, if we could just put a smile on for the last, you know, 10 minutes. Then it's like, okay, then we. We get what we worked hard for and what we want and now we can enjoy. Was just a moment of, like, where adapting would have been really nice. But it's. But I will say, like, we are all living for the first time. It's okay. This was a new experience for all of us. And I want to say, like, I don't. It was a mistake, whatever, but I don't want that to ever be held against someone and then they are labeled as that forever. And it's. All that matters is that we look back we recognize things and then we use that to grow. And, you know, next time, like, if any situation like this ever happens, it's like, okay, like you're gonna exhale, adapt to it, and just move on and just tell them your favorite color. Yeah, yeah. That would have been the easiest. All right, Bachelor Nation, that's gonna do it for part one of Bachelor in Paradise Unplugged. Make sure to stay tuned. Part two of our paradise reunion will be airing Friday, September 5th, and streaming everywhere. You get your podcasts. We'll see you soon. All right, West West Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcast. You know, I get down. You come from the urban areas. You understand politics more than you giving credit for. Between Jerry out here, Mandarin all over the place, hopping our boys, snatching up family members, and two wars that was supposed to be done in 24 hours. Not to mention Epstein, we had to reach out to the homie Jamil Hill, cuz she gonna keep it a century in America. What sells in politics are narratives and storylines. 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