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Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Wells Adams, and this is part two of Bachelor in Paradise Unplugged. We're going to be jumping right back in where we left off. You can't talk about paradise without talking about the Parliament of Paradise. Sean, where the hell did this come from? Tell us the birth story of the Parliament of Paradise. Yeah, I still haven't gotten paid for the T shirts they're making on this idea, so I'll be collecting checks afterwards. But yeah, no, I actually was, like, really hoping it would turn into Survivor. Apparently, no one else ever heard of that game before. For me, it was like, at this point, like, what people have to understand is the Parliament Paradise. There was maybe four or five days left of filming when that happened. Like, we were all getting sent home at a rapid pace. I looked around the room and I was like, don't really have many friends from my season here. I came in last as the guys. I didn't have a roommate. I'm like, thinking about when we're voting off people. Like, we're fucked. Like, we're literally going home in two days. So if you can try to make something work before and you try to give security to people. It obviously flopped. No one really saw my vision, but I will say I fucking. I called everything. The jury coming back. I had it all mapped out. I was like Charlie Day, like the Pepe Silvia scene, like, connecting the dots. Yeah. So, yeah, it didn't work out, but hey, like, if I didn't do that, like, I would have been sent home two days later anyway. Like, you know, I just sat there and played the game like everyone else would have been. We would have gone, wait, can I just add one thing, please? When you sat down with Keith and me and you said, like, I was wondering what the hell had happened to you. Like, you just went off on this thing. What did I say specifically? And then you said to Keith and me, like, we are the strongest relationship here. Ooh, okay. And I was. Wait. And I said, go ahead, Go ahead. I said, no, you're not. And it was like you said, they were this. Oh. He said, you said to me, we are the strongest relationship. And I looked you straight in the eye and said, yeah, no, you're not. It's crazy whether or not we were the strongest relationship or not. I don't think you knew what the you were talking about. Excuse me. Like, here's the thing. Excuse me. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. No, here's the thing. And this is a big part of the entire season. Everyone's judging each other's relationships on the mention of Brian and Prisa, Alicia and myself. Everyone's relationships. You're not there in the moment. Everyone's having this idea of people's relationships. And I thought it was really ridiculous for people to put themselves in those conversations with them at night when we're sleeping together, when they're sharing their moments. So, like, when you're voting off the strongest relationship, we don't really know because we're not being. Wait, wait. Sean, I love you to pieces, but I think everybody here would acknowledge that Jess and Spencer, who, by the way, are engaged, in case you missed that detail, I'm seeing it the strongest relationship here. Now, I love Andrew and Alex and they're strong. And Bailey, they're strong. And Keith and I, by the way, are announcing our engagement here Tonight. Yeah. I wasn't listening. I wasn't listening. I still think you and Keith could be a strong relationship. What? Make out. Kiss. Kiss all. The friend couple should kiss right now. Spicy. I closed my eyes. I do, too. I do have a bone to pick a Kathy, though. I do have one. What's your bone to pick? You said it wasn't about the money, that it's about love, but you did go ahead and vote off Parisa and I. Parisa and me. Sorry. I was an English major. I think you're wrong on that one too. I am not. It is a direct object. It is not a subject. But we can discuss that later. I'm right. Trust me. Summa cum laude college graduate. I am right. Okay. I voted. Honestly, I voted you guys off for. And I will tell you not to stay on the show. I will tell you why I voted you off. We voted you off, Keith. I voted. I voted you. Thank you. I know you almost cried about it. We voted you off. That's why I respected you. Because we looked around and we looked to see who had the strongest relationships and. And Parisa particularly was very unhappy and. And so stressed about your relationship. And what I said to Parisa was, you two need to go home and figure out whether this is something that can work because this is causing you stress and you're not happy. And you know what Parisa said to me? You're right. Yes. We had this conversation. We had this conversation. So I stand by my decision. Yeah. You knew I was ready to go. Yeah, I did, actually. I don't know how many couples came up to me during voting is getting ready to happen. They go, we've got the strongest relationship here. You told me this. You told me this. I don't. I didn't talk to Jeremy. I give you a hard time, but, you know, we didn't bond until the very end. Very, very end. And I voted you off then, too, by the way. Wait, hold on. The golden skull. It was tough vote. You know, when you talk about I again, I like Bachelor in paradise and I think it's about love. And I. Even in the stabbing one, I put a dagger in my own back saying, you didn't deserve to be here and we didn't deserve to be here. But when it comes to voting, I had to vote off somebody and I wasn't. And I wasn't ready to go. I wanted to hopefully help the people that had strong relationships continue on. That was our goal. But you guys did vote for platonic couples to stay over. Romantic couples that were involved. And that's the bone I'm trying to pick. This is a fair question. This is a fair question. That's what bothers me. Be quiet. This is true. You guys weren't in a relationship. You were in a friendship, and you were still able. You can say that you really were wanting love to win, but then voting differently. And I think that's a fair question. That's a fair question. The one. It's what Alicia just said. I did vote people out in Kev, Jonathan and Lay instead. But probably, if I look back on it, I would do things differently, maybe. But 20 20's hindsight. Keith, you know I love you. I'm fine. I'm fine with how I did it. I did it in the moment. And when I listen to everybody here, even the arguments that we've had, I just want you guys to know you're 20 and 30 years old and you're learning life still. I mean, I'm still learning at 63 years old, I still learn things. Every single. I've learned stuff from all of you on this show, and you always grow and you will always learn about the individuals around you and your friendships and everything. And, and so I'm still learning about myself at times. Okay, okay, we get it. We want you to be the Golden Bachelor. Wait a minute, Wait a minute. I don't know. Priest wants to say something. Bachelorette. Sure. Okay. I really, just from reflecting on my conversations with Kathy, I really think with how she voted, with voting us off, I think it honest, honestly came from a really good place because I, I mean, I was very vocal about our relationship and I would go to her all the time and I just kept saying, like, I'm miserable being in this environment. And I, I love the challenges because I thought it really helped me get to know Brian more and it really helped shed a lot of layers. However, the environment, everything shifted when it became a game show. And it was, I was spiraling every day and I mean. And I didn't want you to suffer that pain anymore. I'm a mom and I, I. And she was so unhappy. And I wanted her to go home and for Brian and Paris's, see if they could make it work outside of this. Because it was hurting me to see her so unhappy. And I was vocal about saying, like, but you know what might make her happy? $250,000. No, but you would think I was vocal about that. Yeah. I told her I signed up for the old paradise of, you know, having all that time on the beach. She Split it with me. So I sent her home. I will say, though, like, we want to put this, like, strongest couple, you know, title on everybody, but I always saw us all be, like, very individual couples, even the platonic ones. It's hard to, like, put a voting criteria based on what you determine as strong, whether it's time, compatibility, or whatever. You think it's all subjective. Right. So I always said that the love that was grown between the couples were all just, like, individualized love. And I think, really, that it's strong in its own way. I don't think it's fair to say that one couple is stronger than another, and relationships develop at different stages and different levels. I. I really learned that through Andrew and Alex. Right. Like, they came in later, and it was new love, but it was real love, and it was, like, really beautiful to see. But you're so locked in and you're so focused on it. But, you know, some people committed early. Some other people had to feel it out, like, where our worlds are so, so different and our needs are so, so different. So, you know, it's like. I think a lot of times it's like, did you want to. I think also, too, like, some of us might have been envious of what other people had. Not, like, in a way of, like, we're obsessing about it, but maybe a little bit. We all want those things, right? Yeah. So if there's a hierarchy, it could have been placed by that. But I. I think, like, everyone has relationships that develop at different stages, and no one can say what's stronger. What. Because it's not about, like, how you start, it's how you finish. And at the end of the day, if you're happy and you find your person, nothing else matters. Yeah, well, listen, it's all relative. And also, no one in Bachelor Nation has done a show like this. So the rules of, like, well, who's in the strongest relationship? No one. There's no precedent for that. So I think that for all the viewers out there, there needs to be a little bit of grace. But I'd like to go back to the Parliament of Paradise, because I think this was the dumbest name. You can't give, like, your own. You can't give yourself your own nickname, and you can't go, you know, call me Tebow and I'm the Parliament of Paradise. Well, the funny thing was, like, we were spitballing that idea and probably cut, like, in the interview. I'm like, what should we call it? I'm like, man, I don't know. Like, jury appears. I don't know. Parliament of Paradise. And it stuck. And here we are. Now there's T shirts. I have a fan question for Alicia. How did it feel to walk in and your friends were talking about sending you and Sean home? It was like that. A knife in my gut. That's truly the closest comparison I'd imagine. It felt like I was caught off guard at first. And I would say my first thoughts were, I must be misinterpreting this. And then, Alex, you were really forthcoming with, like, you know, let's address the elephant in the room. We were having this conversation, and I feel like we squash it between the women. We were mature enough to be able to come together as not only just friends, but as individuals and grown women and look at each other in the eyes and say, you know how we're feeling. And to this day, I. I believe Bailey and I believe Alex that they did have my back, and they were good friends. And I think it's a very, very difficult position to be in. So I think everybody does deserve a little bit of grace. However, I think, you know, going back to the strongest couples, Sean, obviously, we were not the strongest couple. I think we can all agree on that. However, we were a real couple, and there was a real romance there. So I do feel jaded for anybody who did decide to vote us off before platonic couples, and that I'll stand by. One thing that I think a lot of the viewers were wondering is how aligned were you guys with the plan that Sean had laid out for the Parliament of Paradise? Because it seems like you maybe weren't so much on board. I think so. For me, the plan that was always discussed was, you keep the couples that were there for love. We're here for love. That's what we all entered into this endeavor on. And so for me, that was the way we were going to proceed until it got to the inevitable point that we were voting for our friends. And then at that point, honestly, for me, I think it was across that bridge. When you get there, Sean and I multiply multiple times, voted very differently. There was times that he voted for Brian and Parisa to go, and that's my girlfriend and her guy, so I'm not gonna do that. And I think that's really what a strong couple is, is you can respect each other's differences and stand by them. I'd never felt pressured to vote the way that he did, and I don't think I placed that same kind of pressure on him. And I think yeah, we were both on the same page of keeping everybody who's there in a relationship up until the point that you are gonna have to send people home. You guys had a pretty crazy slash iconic exit of paradise. Anything that you would have changed or done differently? No. But also, like, you know, that's why I love Sean. He's got. He speaks his mind, he speaks his truth, and I think that we both. That resonates with one another. So at the same time, hindsight, yeah, 2020, we'd all probably do something a little bit differently, but I don't regret it. I think I've seen personalities come out from the show. I've learned everything I need to know about these people, and I think I'm moving on with some friendships that will continue and some that are probably going to fizzle out. And that's just the reality of life. Not everyone's gonna, you know, be each other's best friends, and that's okay. I think we've got to stop projecting hate on one another for just having differences, because I think we've all received that, and there's truly no one who's a bad person on this cast who has mal intentions. I think it's just differences of opinions. That's a perfect opportunity to get to my next question, which is a fan question. Who specifically were you talking about during your dramatic exit speech from paradise? Bailey and Alex specifically. I. At that point, I thought that they both voted me off because I thought they both voted the same way as their partners, which, at that point, you know, everyone was kind of saying, we're voting off Sean, but we weren't. We're voting on the women. So that did mean that you were putting my. Holding up my name and putting me, you know, to be going home. So at that point, I felt like, wow, I can't trust anyone. The guy who I'm here with is going behind my back and, like, propaganda, having these campaigns that he's telling me he's not gonna do. And at the same time, the two girls who I felt closest to were also. I walked into a room, and for the first time, I heard that I was going home that night. So specifically that night, I was talking about Bailey and Alex, and I wanted to see how the rest of the season played out and see how everybody voted. And we've spoken since. Yeah. And I think it's like what you said. You mentioned, like, I think in a relationship, it's. You can accept each other's differences. And many times I would have ever, ever. And a lot of it was like, I can't vote my girlfriends off. So he would be like, you know, we're gonna go, I'm gonna go with this. And I just couldn't do it. So. And we've talked. Yeah, obviously. But so, yeah, of course it was like a shock to me because I thought we had. You know, you could have trusted me. But I also understand that if you walk in a room and you hear us talk about it, it was optics. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Bachelor Nation, I got a date card for you. You're invited on the ultimate group date. Join me and our newly engaged couple here, Jess and Spencer, Jesse Hannah and so, Bachelor Nation, Vacation at sea. You won't want to miss the onboard cocktail parties that I'll be hosting, hot tubs, panels, screenings and events. It's all at sea, too. Sign up to be among the first to book your cabin @Bachelor Nation vacationatsea.com We'll see you there. 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I just thought that it was, like, kind of hypocritical for you to speak on, like speaking negatively or projection or anything when, like, you took it upon yourself to speak so publicly about someone else's situation without having a conversation with me at all. We did have conversations, Kat. I don't think any question there. Actually, no, I know for a fact there was no questions. There was no direct outreach Nothing. So I will say our first interaction, I wasn't pleased. I was not done. There was no outreach post filming. During filming, I guess when things were found or discussed. Right. But even post filming, it just felt like I was extremely hurt. So I'm sorry if I'm coming out. Like I'm having side conversations. It's just like taking me aback by like things like that being said when you felt so comfortable speaking about a situation. Not only a situation, but my character, someone else's situation. Without having a conversation with me first with or at least like for me, feeling like you got took the time to get to know me. And so I was just really disappointed. And it really took me by surprise to see the things that were said in the interview to say any of that and you're allowed to feel the way you feel. I just wish that a conversation was had between me prior. I hear you and I think your feelings are so valid. I will say my first interaction with you, Kat night wand coming in. You asked me, I don't know if you remember this, to take a picture of the group of women. And you turned to me and you passed me the camera and you asked me to take a picture of everyone. That's not a girl's girl. That's not a nice thing to do. You then proceeded to set up the rose ceremony. Jess, you were also involved in this. And you're sitting there going, my man wouldn't touch you with a ten foot pole. This is my first night in. Like, that's just. Wait, what? When were we talking about you right behind me. We were not talking about you. Okay. You don't think that that would make somebody who's just come into picking paradise though, like 10 days the last person in a little bit. You think we asked me? Hey, I overheard you. You guys were never. Because you guys were never warm. You never came into Paris or me and Paris's room. We were never included in any of the girls things. I know there's footage. I came and got ready with you guys. Like, I. I'm sorry, should we talk about that? Please do. Wait, wait. I'm sorry that that was your experience. Like, I never meant to like make you feel excluded at all. And if I did, I do that by accident a lot. Like I'm in my own world. And so that was never my intention was to ever make you feel excluded. So I can see why I made you feel that way. But also I was trying to be your friend. Like the night of the parlor, like him crashing out, like you Were emotional, and I came up to you to check on you. Yeah. And I think that's where, like, the biggest problem for me, like, that was the first time you've reached out to me. It was the night that I'm going. It just felt very artificial. And to be completely honest, like, I had 10 days of getting to know Sean. And, like, everybody's echoed. We have really placed the emphasis on spending time with our person and getting to know them. I went to bed every single night in Sean's bed, hearing how good of a person you are, how nice and sincere you are, that you were misunderstood, that I have it wrong, that you. You don't mean to exclude me, that you are really mean. Well. And that I have to just give you another shot. That is the conversations that we're having every, like, truly a lot of nights. Oh, yeah. You walked in and already hated me, so why would I already. I didn't. You had it before I walked in, Baby girl, I didn't know who you were. Exactly. And you still don't. But you still feel very comfortable speaking about me and who I am in my past without having any conversation. Enough. You haven't seen anything. You haven't even tried to see anything. So how would you feel? Let me ask you this. If a polygraph test was to be administered, how would you feel about it? Take it, girl. Tomorrow morning, 10am Because I have an appointment with a best FBI agent in the state of California. You're a weirdo. Why does it bother you so much? It doesn't bother me. It clearly does. Like, I have affected you to a level that I've never experienced, and I've done nothing. I was gonna come at you, hon, but when you're telling me that I'm lying, I'm allowed to stand up for myself. You're not a nice person. Multiple people know that. The way you spoke to the cast, the way you spoke to production, the way you spoke to the maids and the bartenders. Does anybody. So since the cast. You want to speak for the cast now, too? I will say, since you want to speak for everybody else, let them speak for themselves for once. I'm sorry that that is the experience that you had. I. I'm like. I'm not going to discredit your opinion. You can feel however you feel about me. I will say I don't feel that about myself to the level that you have expressed. And I can actually say for a fact that people that are close to me and know who I am would not even say those Things. So if you think that I'm rude and whatever, like, I actually don't care. But for you to take it to the level that you did and put such an emphasis on my character. I have a profession. I'm not done. I have a profession. I have a career. I have a family. You didn't put any of that into any telling the truth. No, that's opinion. Everyone's allowed to have an opinion. You're allowed to have an opinion, but you are also so wrong about so many things, and it's crazy to have an opinion about something without having conversation with that person or at least fact checking yourself. And I'm not going to sit here and defend myself at all. All I had to say was that it hurt my feelings. You be who you want to be. You do what you want to do. Sign up as many polygraphs as you need to do for anyone to make yourself feel better. But I'm done with this. Good. It's dead for good. It seems like you want to speak to this so. Well. No, I see what Alicia is saying, though. It's like, yes, this has come up many times where us girls will talk about something. Like, I would go to Alicia, I would go to Bailey or Alex, and I would say something I'm personally experiencing and I'm upset. And that's the first thing that these girls would say to me. Why don't you confront this person? Why don't you talk about it? Have this conversation? And I don't know, I can't speak on your behalf, but for me, it's more of like, a conversation isn't welcomed. It's at the end of the day, like the environment that we are in and how we are made to feel. It's like there's no light at the end of the tunnel. Like, if I were to go and talk about this, how I'm feeling, I would be putting a larger bullseye on my back. At the end of the day, it's still a competition, and I would be turned into an aggressor now. And I don't want that. I'm feeling a certain way. Like, I'm able. For me, I'm just gonna sweep how I'm feeling under the rug and move on. It's like, whatever. But then I think about it and like, when we would talk about how we felt, it's like, why are we shrinking ourselves? To keep the peace. And if we are feeling a certain way, like, why don't we, you know, speak up and talk about. I mean, this was after the fact, reflecting. But it's like you're in an environment where, like, it's. You create a problem when you go to someone and talk about how you feel. When you are looking for resolution at the end of the conversation, it's like, this is. I don't want to. I'm not trying to attack anybody. I want to, like, work through something. But it was just unfortunate. Like, that's just how the environment was where we didn't feel comfortable to talk about it. Yeah. I mean, I will say there was one point on paradise that I was assigned roommates to be with Kat, and you kind of threw an entire fit that you're not having a roommate. You're the only person Teresa was assigned because you didn't want a roommate with me. Wait, what? No. I walked up to my room, and all of a sudden. Do you not remember? That's, like, an actual lie. Theresa was roommate with. With me because. Wow, that is. You should be the one to take the polygraph, because that is crazy, girl. I walked up, I said, oh, I have a roommate. There's a reason that she never moved in because she was with you. I'm just saying that was a chance for us to be able to connect. I tried, and I'm sorry if it didn't connect in the way you wanted to. And I'm sorry if I ever made you feel like a bully. Like, I realized that you sent that dm. I thought we were friends. Like, when you came to me about Brian, I thought I really saw myself in. You asked Dale. I saw as many times, even after the show. I am a very passionate person. I care really deeply, and I know that sometimes that can be taken out of context. And I've really tried to be a little bit more outside of myself and see that. How everybody has different sensitivity levels, because, honestly, a lot of things don't bother me, and I expect everybody else to feel the same, but I've realized that's not the case. So if I ever made you feel like it wasn't a safe environment, you too. I'm sorry. That's never my intention, ever. It's coming from a place of love. So when I hear these things that are being said, I did not know where that was coming from. I would have loved to have had a conversation. If I made it unsafe for you, again, that was. I'm sorry. I just care really hard, and sometimes I don't know how to express it. Thank you for apologizing. And I'll say I apologize as well. If anything Came across from my end. That felt combative or like it was an attack to you? Because it really was. And I felt like I was speaking my truth and I was kind of getting catching strays for doing so. And that was just my experience. But I definitely believe in turning the cheek and like giving everybody a second chance. So I'd love to squash this and move forward with you, Kat. I really would. And I'll just say also we can sweet. Like, did I hurt Yalls feelings too? Did I hurt your guys feelings too or did I make any say? And I've told you this before, Kat, and I've said it throughout the season. You, I'm very sensitive and you, I've told you this. You're so funny. It's like you have such good intention but you're delivery. You're so sassy and like the way you say things sometimes if someone doesn't know your heart, I think they can misinterpret it. But once you get to know you, you are a very passionate person. And I will say, like, I don't like I wouldn't have gone through all the season with all the hate that I got through, you know, because of you. So I want to say thank you so much for that. And I can't speak on Alicia, you know, different dynamics. I get it. But I think sometimes it's just a delivery and if you just need to get and you know that we've talked about it, but you do have a good home life. So I just wanted. I just. Yeah, it was just a lot of things were said that did affect my personal life and yeah, I just wish that more time was spent to understand who I was before things were said with so much intent. Like fact. Listen, we can't talk about season 10 of Bachelor in Paradise without talking about the biggest thing, the biggest shake up that happened this season, which was the jury of peers, everyone returning. Brian, I wanted to ask you what was your thought at the and how were you feeling when you heard that you were coming back to the beach? I was happy to be back and I mean just the way things went on again with I would interpret as the Bailey situation like really put a target on myself. I don't really think it was the dynamic between Parisa and I and I was happy to come back and make a decision on who I thought should leave with the money and who I thought was the strongest couple. Not really with like a revenge or spiteful standpoint, but I thought it was a good touch. Fan question for Alicia. You and Sean came back, dropped a cat bomb. You mentioned having no regrets. Do you still feel that way? Absolutely. I will never regret being honest. I'll never regret being myself. And that's exactly what I did. And I went back. I would do it again. Now we've had this conversation, Cat. I would say I would have probably potentially had it with you. I'll be completely honest. Our biggest concern was, like, we thought that because you had lied about certain things, like the way that it was gonna be misconstrued. What did I lie about? I don't think it helps, like, go back. No. I would love to know what you think I lied about. Okay. You were in a relationship. I was in a relationship. Is that what you're saying? Yes. Based on what? Based on your ex boyfriend who confirmed it. Where? So Kat's ex was actually my friend before I ever met Kat. And listen, exes can be complicated. I'm sure everyone here has talked to an ex after you've broken up. Were they in a relationship? Absolutely not. I had no loyalty to this girl. I actually thought she didn't like me, to be honest. So did Jonathan. Literally. I thought she didn't even like me when I first met her, which I only met her once before we met on paradise, and I had known her ex for almost a year at that point. And they were not in a relationship. They were not in a relationship. And I know that he also said that. No, no, no, I never said that you guys were in a relationship. So that's misconstrued. It was more. So the plan to get back together after paradise, that was. That was the way I said it. And that's the way that. And that's what this ex said to you? Yes. Confirmed. I mean, I'm sure everyone was like, I was still going on dates leading up to the show, so I don't think that anyone was, like, in a relationship thing going on. I think once you. It's just dating in this world. I feel like when you go to paradise, it doesn't mean you stop dating. You're still dating multiple people here. Like, you go on dates, you take people on dates. That's what I'm saying. I'm. Listen, I'm. I. I'm not the right to reasons police. All right. Like, everyone has their own things going on. I think where I actually, like, draw the line, because there has to be a line drawn is like, the plan, allegedly the plan to go on paradise and then get back together afterwards on top of, like, that type of stuff. So did say we were in a relationship or. Did he say that? No, he's. That was the plan. Oh, right. So what she said actually was. Either way, it was an ex. But you're still in contact. So many word about the plant, like, go through. She found someone on Paradise. That's what happened. That's. Well, that's what I mean. Like, if you're planning to do that with your ex, then you find someone better. Doesn't mean I'm going to be the president. No, I'm saying that's a little. It's just like, listen, regardless, like, at the end of the day, I. I think that's where you draw a line. Like sneaking something in and texting them while we're about to start filming. That's a little outside of it. Let's address that. Okay, so when did I sneak something in? And if. And if. And if we think that this show. Who took, I don't know, weeks on end to show one thing over and over again, that they wouldn't take that time to show me playing on an iPad or laptop. Sorry, sorry. Not to throw you. I'm saying in general, like, you know, they weren't trying to hide anything. So it's like, where was that? That's not a fair assumption to make. That I was out here texting this man consistently. And I know for a fact that that is not what he said. And I know for a fact that that is. He did not say that we were in a relationship. I know. I don't know what else was said as far as, like, getting back together. I know he confirmed that we were possibly seeing each other before. Because, yes, I was dating before Paradise. I'm allowed to do that. I'm going on a dating show. Right. But I. To say that I had a relationship or that I was consistently talking to somebody is not true, period. I would disagree. I mean, it depends on how you contact it. I'm just gonna. Yeah, you got some of the facts mixed up. It's gonna be like a big thing. Like, that's what happens at the end of the day. It's not. I know he wouldn't give them to you this morning. Okay, hold on. Can I just dead something? Because we had this whole moment at the end, like, before Paradise. I didn't know anyone coming into this. Also, like, I'm pretty. I feel like I can read people pretty well. What we went through in paradise was real and it happened. So, like, all this other stuff that people are talking about happened before a. I don't know. Whoever you Know exes or past relationships, ships from jump. I didn't care, like, because I'm focused on what we went through, the time that we had. And also, at the end of the day, if that is the biggest thing and the biggest hurdle that you have to overcome in a relationship, damn, I am envious of you. Because life is hard. There's real that people have to go through. And, like, this is such a minor thing in the grand scheme of things, so. But when there's $500,000 on the line and we're about to. We weren't thinking about that. I know, but we were like. I know you were. That's the only reason that we really wanted to come back, because we didn't want people who had bad intentions to win. Yeah. But, like, I'm not worried about $500,000. Like, but I think it's great. I do think it's in the past. I think. I didn't realize you were the moral police. I was. I was concerned about protecting my partner. But also, at the end of the day, whatever you all said in that moment, it wasn't going to shake what we had or what we built at that moment. Right. And I. I. Let me. Let me be very, very clear at the same time, too. I don't have hate for either of y'. All. Like, whatever the situation, I know Sean was hurt. I know that there's things that, you know, we like. But at the end of the day, my number one priority was cat. And it, you know, while we went through our stuff throughout the season, it was. That was the priority, and we ended that way, so nothing was going to shake that. And I. I commend you on the way you guys have stuck together. I think it's actually. And this is, like, it's so minor in the grand scheme of things. And I know y' all are getting a lot of smoke and stuff right now, like, okay, everyone makes their decisions, but at the end of the day, like, our relationship, we learned through paradise, and we built it far beyond. And it hasn't even been a sticking point. 100. But I think it, with this in the same vein, we are allowed to speak our truth, and we are kind of being crucified for doing so. 100. And like, you. You like, in. In that, like, you do, you did nothing wrong for making the decisions and communicating the things in the way that you have. And, like, you know, there might be some frustrations at times, but you don't have hate from us on our end. Likewise, at the end of the day. Like, we have to live our lives and this is a short glimpse in the grand scheme of things. So we'll talk about it right here and now. But like, our lives are moving forward, like all of us. So. And I'm glad that we have the opportunity to do so because it really was throughout our experience. Was Sean really backing you up, Kat, and speaking accolades about you and vice versa. I never had anything bad to say about Dale from the experience that we had. So just about me, I do. From our experiences. There's hurt, there's pain, there's experiences. Right. And we all have them and they might not align with what we think and what we want, but that's the human experience and we understand that. And like, oh, like, all right. Thank you for coming to our TED Talk. Okay, so I, I think that the purpose of this whole thing is for clarity. Right? And I. So this is a fan question. And I'm. This is just a cat. Okay. Fan question. Okay, cat, please clarify. 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Make sure to listen to Spolitics on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Andrew. What's that? Jonathan, you're. I got enough hanging out on the corner, bro. I gotta know, do you still stand by your statement that Sean is the greatest villain in Bachelor nation history? I want to clarify this. I don't think it was a negative thing that I said. I love good. I just want to make. I want to make sure you know that villains are some of my favorite things in movies. Like Thanos. I love. I love the Joker. I'm just saying I was impressed by the execution. You go through Bachelor and you. You see, like, I had, like, villains on my season, but what I saw, I was like, oh, this is what people talk about villains are. And I was just like. That was. That was what I saw. I was. It was just like the attention. You. You. You had everyone lined up. I was. I will say, your build up to where you were, it was just like, this is very villainous, and I want to. And you didn't. You didn't stop. I will say also, like, in relation to our friendship. Right. I know that perception is everything, and I'm sorry if you ever felt like there was, like, loyalty that was there that maybe, like, I wasn't expressing or it wasn't reciprocated. Reciprocated. There we go. There wasn't as much like, I'm sorry, guys, once again, anyways. So that is, like, where I was always coming from. I never said we weren't friends. I did say, like, when I was asked, are we good friends? Like, aren't you guys good friends? I was like, well, I wouldn't say good friends because. Because in that moment, we really hadn't, like, talked every day. We did talk leading up to paradise, but the way that things were moving during the day, I was really confused by your actions. Cause that wasn't the Shawn that I aligned with or knew. So that's where I was coming from. I knew that emotions are really heightened at the moment, which is exactly why I called you later, like, a couple weeks ago. And we talked through a lot of our, I guess, perception of the situation. But when you did what you did and how it was done, it. The emotions did not just come from what was said. It was literally. It brought me back to two years ago in paradise when things were just coming at me every day, and I felt so overwhelmed and attacked and all I cared about was his emotions and helping him I have somebody that I don't know. Like, obviously things were said to my ex that I don't know what was said, and I had no way to reach him. So it's like, I felt like my power was completely taken from me. So that is where a lot of my emotions came from. I don't think that you are, like, this horrible person. I think you felt really hurt, and so I don't have any hatred or negative emotions towards you. I do wish things were done differently because I think we deserve that. But I hope you know, like, I wasn't. Like, I'm not friends with Sean. I just didn't agree with your behavior. And as a friend, I'll always tell someone that. Again, like, we don't necessarily get full contacts in. In this situation. So, like, you hear things, like, from other people, so then you make, I guess, assumptions what's going on. So, like, to give context, people, like, this was, like, me and Cat, no church for two years. And, like, based on paradise last time and, like, our relationship in Tampa, like, Sheridan gets brought up a lot. And I've always been there to, like, defend constantly on camera, off camera. So, like, the way that I, I guess, took it was, like, as soon as the cards came against me, she didn't have my back in that situation. Why I felt so betrayed because, like, you guys don't see. Obviously, when we're not on camera, you don't see it, but that was, like, two years constantly, like, always coming to her defense. So that's why I kind of reacted the way I did. She. She spoke highly of you, though. When Jill came in and all those things, like, she. She truly did sp. Like, I feel like you and I, you know, developed a quick bond right away because, like, she vouched for you and spoke very, very highly of you. So, like, the moment that happened on film or on camera. Yeah. You know, I wasn't there, but I can say that she. She did. She. She really, really did. No, totally. I think, like, if we had, like, maybe had another conversation before that went down, we could be like, no, dude, I'm, like, trying to protect you. Like, I'm not coming after you. I don't think the girls are coming after you. What I was saying was that in two days, it's gonna be all couples. We're gonna have to vote for each other, and there's gonna be. Everyone's made at odds. We should just wait till the next day when it was a rose ceremony. Yeah, I mean, you did say something that, like, on camera, that was pretty poignant that you said you had received receipts. Yeah. Like, so are there receipts? Like, do you have the love letter? The truth is there's receipts. I think it's somewhere in between us. I. Was she texting her ex when we got to Azura? No. Do I think you were texting when we were at the staging hotel in Costa Rica? Yes. So I think there's somewhere in the middle. Do I have their seats? The guy will mention his name. He doesn't want to be involved in, like, any of this, which obviously I get. So I wasn't really hounding him at all that much. I asked for him today, just not in, like, his text messages. Like love letters. More so just like timestamps. Like, hey, I'm not lying about the iPad thing, whether or not there was a plan or love letters. But regardless, when we came back in, it was like, you have that. You have all the time in paradise leading up to that point. You have Cat and Dale, Justin, Spencer. One of them gets a chance to win money. I was like, well, I want, like, I felt more confident in them, those two love stories than the other one. So. But I had a conversation with this person when we left. When we got eliminated, I was given my phone for, like, call my family, call my friends, and then called the other guy. Couldn't get a camera on him for that. Yeah, yeah. Come on now, Jeremy, I have a fan question for you. You said there were people with you at the final rose ceremony who said they would never vote for you. Who do you think betrayed you in the end? I mean, they're my friends, but, I mean, Spencer and Dale both said that. So listen, I didn't vote for you for the, you know, I'll say, like, yeah, like, Dale, I, I, I get because, like, we were roommates. We were talking about. We wanted to be us two in the end. That's the only person I was really aligning with. But I do get it from, from his point of view where when it came, you know, when push, whatever the phrases push comes to shove, like, we realized it was going to be one of us two going home. So I, I did get that. Spencer, I love you, man. I wish I, I, what Spencer said to me is that, like, he didn't want to vote separately from Jess. And I was like, me and, me and Bailey had made the decisions to vote together some sometimes, and we'd also made decisions to vote separately. So let's. I, I love both of you. I really do. If you want to send me a check for like, a few thousand dollars at that point. Like, me. Me and Bailey had something so strong that, like, we were like, we weren't trying to sway, like, anyone like Keith and Kathy. We were like, we were ready to go home if it was our time, but that we weren't trying to sway you. But then when it came time, like with the. With the. With the jury of peers. Yeah, you could respond to that after. When it came to the jury of peers, it wasn't a personal thing. It's like they both voted me. I already knew Spencer and Jess were going to move forward, but I wasn't going to vote for them to move forward. Well, we were all strong couples, and I also had no idea they were planning on getting engaged until after that. What I will say is we've talked a lot about strength of relationships, strong relationships, not strong relationships. I think we were all put unknowingly in a impossible situation of judging other people's relationships with little to no context. As we've seen now. Watching the show back, 90% of the things said, I had no idea that anything was said. And when it came down to voting for either Jeremy or Dale to leave, Jess can attest to how torn up I was about that because when I pulled back, both Jess and I, we had voted separately beforehand. We had agreed from here on out, we're going to vote together. Why? And we agreed that we needed to come to a consensus together because from here on out, we were voting on couples. I was all strong couples at that point. Strength of couples, right? It's all your friends. All strong couples. For me, the big turning point for myself because I was originally expecting Dale to go after us. We had a conversation, and Dale told me that, hey, it's based on strength of relationship. Obviously, both Dale and Jeremy were roommates. I was expecting him to vote with his roommate. And when he said, you know, we see how strong you guys are. We want you to be able to stay together, it made me actually pull back and look at everything and say, okay, if I'm truly assessing everything is strength of relationship, where am I going with it? And at that point, it's like cutting hairs and it's so little context given into different relationships. Both Jess and Kat were closer, so I heard more from Jess about their relationship than I did about both Bailey and Jeremy. So it wasn't any slide on Jeremy. And I apologize because I did say that I would never vote for him. And. And I apologize for that completely. And I. And that's why I also have absolutely no Issue. No issue with Jeremy voting the way that he voted. I love Bailey. Love Jeremy. I'm so happy they're together, and I'm excited to go Disney World. Yeah. Kathy, it seemed like you wanted to. You wanted to pipe up a little bit when it came to Jeremy and Bailey. I think that I know what Kathy's talking about. So basically, when the night that we figured out we were going home, we really didn't spend time trying to sway our friends. Besides, like, obviously you guys had conversations. We had a conversation. We were aligned. And I think what was frustrating, I think, was that Kathy had decided that she wanted to pick who she thought needed, deserved most money. And I think that was really hurtful for us because just because I have a ton of nice things has. That has nothing to do with. Have you ever thought of, like, just not. Yes. Well, Kathy, you said that the way that you were voting that night was because based on your. Who you believed deserved money the most, which I understand why, obviously, Alexandria won the challenge. You know what I mean? So, like, I understand if they were on the chopping block, but, like, I think the reason why we had a conversation with the both of you was to be clear that I think that we can't. None of us can attest to anyone's financial goals in the future financial decisions. And I think we wanted to make it clear we were really, honestly, we didn't spend time swaying anyone because at that point, like, everyone's minds are made up. It's kind of. It was up to you guys about what was gonna happen. So, first of all, I love all of you guys, and I think each and every one of you know that Keith and I had spoken and we had talked about, for us, we were never coming after the money because we are in our last chapter of our great lives, and we were never going to take money from young UN's, as I refer to you, never. That was never going to happen. So we talked about it, and we talked to you guys about, you know, what you wanted to use the money for. And for me, you know, when you are your age, what I think about is starting a family, paying off school loans, buying a first home. All those things I've done. I've lived that life. So for me, it was. I've said it. How many times? Those of you who are in love are going to leave with each other. What a gift. How many times did I say I would love to have left with the love of my life? Having said that, once money comes into it, the money is separate. From the love. And so those couples who I believed, rightly or wrongly, could use the money to start to pay off loans, to buy a home, to pay off school debt, whatever it was. That's how I voted. And when I interviewed everyone, Andrew and Alex talked about paying off loans and starting a life, and Jess and Spencer talked about buying a home and building their life together. And honestly, I love you guys, and you know that. You guys talked about traveling together and seeing the world, and that's what you talked about. Buying a place together. So that's. There's nothing wrong. Wait, wait. There's nothing wrong. Wait, wait, wait. By the way, a lot of people have student loans. I know. Believe me, I paid 10 years of school. And I think not everyone feels comfortable talking about money. I get it. And I never. And I just said that I did the best I could. Keith and I did the best we could. We are so grateful to have all of you in our lives, and we did the best we could in the moment. But I also just want to say I never tried us because we were already safe. I just want to make it clear that I was never trying to get votes for my student loans. Like, it was just something I was like, wait, I have a question for the group. Group. I have a question for the group. Would anyone choose the money over love here? Bailey and I talked about this because we thought we were gonna, you know, make it a further night. And we were like, what if the final challenge is, like, choosing money or love? And I said, listen. You guys thought about that? Yeah. I was like, I will choose the money and take the hate. And I know we could just see each other the next day. That's so smart. Yeah. And then we can just date secretly, have more money and not go grocery shopping. Hold on. Would you like. Would you. And now I can buy whatever I want. Were you like, I'll take the money, but then I'll split it with you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wouldn't do that in writing. And. And, yeah, I. I don't think. I feel like I. We trust each other enough. Like, that was kind of our plan, I think, you know? Hey, you looking for the perfect gift for the Bachelor fan in your life? Check out the new Bachelor Nation Shop. Visit shop.bachelornation.com Chapter 10. Ronan's eyes widened as the moon enveloped their secret sanctuary. Go, he warned. I'm losing control. Luna defiantly stepped forward, tracing the scar across his jaw. Then lose it, she whispered. She was ready. She has Nexplanon, etinogestrel implant 68mg radiopaque to prevent pregnancy. A non daily prescription birth control for women that goes in your arm and not in your uterus. Don't use nexplanon if you're pregnant or may be pregnant, have or had blood clots or certain cancers, have liver disease, liver tumor or unexplained vaginal bleeding. Once the implant is placed, you and your doctor should feel for it. 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Donald Trump is gone in three and a half years, but their legacy or their failure to stand up to the extremism and the unprecedented assault on America as we know it will be with them forever. Make sure to listen to sponsors Politics on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I asked if she wanted the full thing when we. As soon as we got off the show and she declined. She was like, no, that's not what we're doing. Like, I have my part, you have your part, and obviously she's gonna be moving to Chicago soon, so it'll be for us. It's not like, you know, I just. I'll put in a. A shared account. You're going to invest. Do you want to pay off the rest of my school debt? Leia and Jonathan, we haven't really gotten to hear a lot from you. Brittany's locked in on camera. Start yapping just to get a few words. I mean, like, is there. Leia, is there any possibility of a romance between you? No, sorry. Can I tell you, I thought it was coming. I was like, really? I thought it was about to flip because you guys were getting so close. You were laughing so much. I was like, oh, this shit's about to happen. Like, you guys are about to flip and you guys about to be in love. And I'm like, I can't get along so well. Look at the compatibility fest. That would have broke the seat. I feel like that that would have been. No, I love him. And I. I truly. I don't think I would ever want to jeopardize, like, the friendship that we have. I don't know. We just have, like, such a nice friendship going on and, like, yeah, date already. Jonathan? Yes. You talked about kind of not being in the right headspace, coming into paradise. Can you expand upon that? Yeah, I. I think getting asked so far in advance put me in a really tough position. You know, there's a lot of positivity behind me, and it's an amazing, incredible thing. I don't think anybody would deny getting all the love, especially after watching back and you see all the hate that comes. You're like, I would kill for that. Yeah, I think anybody would. But with that comes a pressure to perform the way people expect. You know, I think the first time was, like, very, like, good guy. So in people's minds, I'm this perfect person, not just a good guy who can make mistakes. So I'm going into this scenario, and I'm like, I got to do the do right by everybody. I want to do this right. And I've been waiting so damn long. I'm so excited. And then I get there and, you know, I try with Alex, and, you know, it's just not right for us. Her and I, again, are great friends. You know, Kat and I, we talked, like, a day, and it was way overstretched. I think we all know that you weren't in love with me. Don't come on now. And we were. We ended up being good. And then, yeah, I think people just came to the beach that I just didn't have a romantic spark with. And it was hard. You know, I cried to stay multiple or to. To go multiple times. And, you know, it was just hard. You know, I'm watching some of my best friends that I've made from the show fall for their person. Leia can attest to this, like, every day. It's hard to watch your friends fall in love, especially when you can feel how real it is and then you're there and you like, like, I want this to work, too, and it was tough. Tell me what your type is because, oh, my gosh, I love to know exactly what we do. We've been exactly what you need beautiful women your way, and I need to know exactly what we need to bring to paradise. Yeah. Somebody actually commented this, and I had to take a long, hard, like, thought on it to sum it up into one thing, and it's, I'm not chasing a look. I'm not chasing specific attributes. I'm chasing a feeling. You know, I want to, like, talk to somebody. I want to feel butterflies. I want to feel that, like, excitement to, like, not leave your side. So obviously, you and I got very close in paradise, and I think what being in this experience, coming back from people and all these things, like, we met each other at a bar, like, a couple months prior, you wouldn't even talk to me. I think you were so in your head about, like, I want to make sure that it's perfect. Right. And when we set these expectations of how things are going to go, it at least it is a disservice because it doesn't allow you to fully let go. Yeah. And that happened to me the first time in a way, but a little different. But in these environments, it is really difficult to even find that feeling because there's so much, like, outside noise even in your own head. And I think that's kind of like what was happening. And I kind of clocked that, and I was like, nope, already been there, done that, not doing it. But I don't think it's a negative thing. It's just a growing moment, and this is what this experiences allows. We get to watch ourselves back and be like, okay, I'm gonna take this into my life now. 100. Yeah. Bring them back. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, because I. I. We talked about it multiple times. You were literally me. Like, that literally was me. My first time on paradise, and I was miserable, and, like, women just kept coming in, and I'm just, like, going on. I'm like, I don't want to be here. Like, I have nothing left. Once I, like the girl that I wanted to talk to, like, that was debted. I was just, like. I was just, like, doing that. I was just like, what am I doing here? And, you know, Wells, a ton of times had to pick me up and tell me to keep going, and I think that made me become a little bit more mature, more everything. Best shape of my life right after that. Paradise. Yeah. And then, like, obviously, I got another shot, and third time's a charm. So I'm telling you to get back on. Yeah. And do this also. Those conversations were so helpful, too, because I was like, am I, like, alone in this? And I'm stirring, and I'm like, I wanted this to work for the last 10 months. At the end of the day, you just have to just be yourself. And, yeah, whatever happens, happens. Like, I was okay with going home. If, like, I could have pulled, I would be okay with being a Susie. Like, I came in there and not, like, found anyone. Yeah. I would have been so good with just going home. Yeah. Like, that was so. That was totally fine with me, but I feel like that's the same mentality. You got to go. You know what I mean? Like, I feel. Feel like you try to create this perfect love story. Like, man, I was thinking I was gonna get proposed. I was like, can I get a helicopter? Take me somewhere else. I'm not proposing on this. Everyone doesn't propose, and I want to go. So, like, that's, like, my whole thought, like, going through everything. I was, like, so ready for. And I was just, like, creating this false narrative, and I was just, like, a shell of myself when I was there. Yeah. Everyone's like, what's wrong with him? Why is he not, like, who I see on social media? That's the biggest thing that people keep saying. I'm like, if you. You know me, you can see how miserable I am. I'm sitting there in the corner trying not to say anything to mess up. Like, yeah. The reason I made it so far, too, is, like, I want to make a joke about it every time, but I'm like, I'm a man who learned how to shut the up and just let her do all the talking. I was like, so I just zipped it. Damn, I wish I learned that. That's a great life lesson. Question for everyone. Did you have a good time on Bachelor? Parrot. Yeah. Yeah. So much fun. Some people had better times than others. I had a really good time. I mean, we had a lot of fun. Are you really compared. It was so much Golden Bachelor, I think the most fun. I mean, I don't know about you guys, but the night where I was Jeremy's birthday, and we just all felt connected. Wait a minute's birthday. What do we do for your birthday? But it just felt like everything was, oh, my gosh, my English is, like, light. And we had put everything behind, and we were just, like, together as a group. It was the voting. The voting threw us all off. I love the challenges. I thought it was great. But then the voting, it. Well, it put us in a position where, like, yeah, we don't want it. We didn't want to do that. Yeah. Yeah. But I will say, not having people come in allowed us to really, like, for me, it took me. It took the anxiety away of, like, oh, well, my man's just gonna leave me tomorrow and, like, make me anxious and insecure. So, like, to know that, like, our focus is each other and I don't have to worry about what's gonna happen the next day did help. Yeah. Better connections at the end. Like, we have such strong couples that came out of this, so I think it was a plus. Playing in the pool. Yeah. Playing Alicia. You're like, well, I wish somebody would have came in. And I. And I also want to preface this. Like, I've seen online, like, this is just the worst cast of people. I genuinely never felt like anyone was rude to anyone in front of me. Besides, obviously, the last part was kind of crazy, but you're the villain of the year. But other than that, such a good mix of people that I didn't know. I didn't have any friends that I knew coming in. Like, I hung out with Sean and Dale once, and then I knew of Jeremy, but I didn't, like, know him. So I felt like this cast was like, I had to. I had to create new friends, but I also had to create new relationship with, like, the people you're with. So I think it was a really well done thing, like, bringing everyone together. And like I said, the drama was kind of not existent for me. I didn't really feel like there was a lot of drama, like, in your face. Like, I feel like every day everyone was very Kumbaya, Very, very good, very having a good time. So I don't want to, like, have the show be tarnished because of, like, what they might have saw compared to what we felt on the beach. Well, listen, I closing words here. Listen. I've done eight seasons of this show, and I know how hard it is to let yourselves be so vulnerable and open up to so many people. And I thought you guys did it the best of any cast I've ever experienced. You all gave everything to the show and to the people out there that are showing hate to a lot of these people, these people that I love a lot. You have to just remember that you guys are real people. You have real feelings, and words really do hurt. But I applaud you guys all. I'm glad that it worked for some of you. I'm glad you guys had fun. I enjoyed making drinks for you all summer long. Show me. Hey, Wells. They didn't. There was. I was the first and only person ever. Can you make the drink stronger next time? All right, that concludes our paradise reunion. Thank you to everyone for tuning in to Bachelor happy hours. Bachelor in paradise unplugged. It's been an amazing evening. I want to thank the entire cast and the crew for an amazing season 10 of Bachelor in Paradise. And to all our listeners out there, make sure you subscribe because we're not done yet with the paradise content. We have more interviews coming your way that you do not want to miss. Thank you and good night. All right, West West Prop here from Hood Politics with prop podcast. You know, I get down. You come from the urban areas. You understand politics more than you giving credit for. Between Jerry out here mandering off over the place, Hop out boys, snatching up family members, and two wars that was supposed to be done in 24 hours. Not to mention Epstein, we had to reach out to the homie Jamel Hill because she gonna keep it a century. 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