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Podcast Host 1 (3:23)

Hello, everyone, and welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. We are back with Kat and we are here for part two. So without further ado, we're just going to get right into it because we have so much more to discuss.

Podcast Host 2 (3:36)

Kat, you know what the crazy thing is? I remember seeing like all the coverage of this at the time, and it seemed like you guys were like, so, such a happy couple.

Kat (Guest) (3:44)

Yeah, no, that's like the Internet for you.

Podcast Host 2 (3:46)

So was that him? That's like, I want to present this to the public. Even though you were not having a good time.

Kat (Guest) (3:51)

We had our biggest fight there.

Podcast Host 2 (3:53)

What was the fight?

Kat (Guest) (3:55)

What was the fight? Oh, I mean, yeah, I don't like, it's just like, it was just a lot. Like, I eventually, like, was like, okay. Like this is like, not okay. Like, I feel like you have been gone for like I was sitting at the chair, like while the before the fight was gonna start. And he left for an hour, I guess, to go get a drink, but like he was gone for an hour. And then I like, okay. Like, at this, like, I. I just felt so alone and like, he wasn't even like, trying to, like, take the time to make me feel comfortable in environments clearly not mine. And like, that's how I move. But then also when you start to see somebody from that perspective, like, everything is going to be heightened. So I was like a little aware of that. Like I could be like just seeing him from that perspective, cuz I already felt that way, but it was so not received very well. And so I was just not being spoken to very appropriately. Like, one of the things that was said was if you want someone that's going to be obsessed with you, that's not going to Be me. And he's, like, saying that to me. Like, I'm right here. He's right here, and I'm actually. You know what? I'm talking to Tay. Like, he's gonna hate that I'm telling so many details, but, like, I actually don't care. Like, yeah, he was just going on and on and on. Like, he did this when we were doing the reunion too. Like, I'm sure I contributed to it. Like, I think I triggered him in certain ways, but, like, it was never like, oh, she's feeling insecure. Like, let me help her. Like, if he was, like, feeling that way, like, I would see my partner from that perspective, at least that's what I would want. And I learned to say less because then they can't hurt you back. Like, use that against you. So, like, he would just keep going if I wouldn't say anything and eventually would stop. And, like, I just felt like. So that was. I just did not say any words throughout the entire fight. Like, I was just like, he needs to apologize. Like, whatever. Have your hard moment. And then I was like, actually, I do want someone that's obsessed with me. And, like, that's okay. Like, you could. Like, I. I do. Like, I want to be obsessed with my partner and vice versa. Like, why is it a bad thing? Right. And all I wanted to know was where you were. So, anyways, we leave the fight. Are we leaving? Yeah, the actual boxing fight. And then it was just, of course, so hard to get an Uber, even though he told me we were gonna have a car service the whole time.

Podcast Host 2 (6:02)

Of course, yes.

Kat (Guest) (6:03)

And didn't. Couldn't get out of there. Was walking in heels. I was just like, so did you.

Podcast Host 2 (6:07)

Guys break up during that?

Kat (Guest) (6:10)

So then. Then I eventually snapped because he, like, said something really disrespectful to me, and I was like, I'm going home. Like, I'm like, I'm literally done. Like, I'm dying.

Podcast Host 2 (6:18)

What do you say.

Kat (Guest) (6:21)

We got. I mean. Okay, so we got out of the taxi, like, we finally got to where it was supposed to be, and I said something about something, maybe the Uber or something, and it's okay if you don't remember. No, I remember. I'm just like, I'm gonna. Like, these are just so many details or whatever. I said something about the Uber. I said something, and he said something under his breath, and I go, do you just tell me to shut the up? And he goes, no, I told you to grow the up. Like, you're acting like a child. And then that's when I was done and that's when I finally like, lost it. So of course I'm like, we're like, I'm like trying to get home. He like, leaves. Whatever. We're in. We have this party bus driver, I guess, that we had on the way there. And we're in this party bus. Like, I was eventually like, crying and like upset and probably not communicating in my best.

Podcast Host 2 (7:06)

Crying on the party bus.

Kat (Guest) (7:07)

Crying on the party bus, Lily by myself.

Podcast Host 2 (7:09)

Disco lights are going off.

Kat (Guest) (7:10)

Literally someone on this calm. It was cinema. I'm crying and he's like, you know, like, you, you've had unhealthy relationships in the past. Like, maybe you're the problem. Like, blah, blah. I'm like, I shared that with you because, like, that is something that I've taken to grow from. Not because, like, you can use like my, like, low moments against me. And like, yeah, it's been hours and I'm finally snapping. Like, I'm tired of it. Like, I do deserve respect. But of course, when you do that and you yell and you lose your composure, they can be like, look at you. You're, like, not composed. And it's like, oh, but you got me here, you know? And like, I have been. And so I definitely didn't handle myself very well in that moment. I was just like, so upset. And then we went back home and we were supposed to spend that next weekend together, but it was then I was like, everything is work related and I'm done doing work related stuff. Like when we were at the Padres game, he literally did that to set up his and his stuff. I just got enough work and didn't even talk to me the whole time. I was asking questions about the baseball that I already knew answers to because I just want him to, like, have a conversation with me. So I'm like, so you felt like.

Podcast Host 1 (8:13)

At this point, like obviously after Vegas and then you're mentioning the Padres game, like, you probably were already checked out. If not, like, that was.

Kat (Guest) (8:22)

I was getting scared. I was getting scared. I was like, if this is, I.

Podcast Host 2 (8:25)

Don'T know, did you not want to leave him?

Kat (Guest) (8:26)

Like, why? Just I give people moments of like, let's talk about it, right? So like, let's. Okay, now I know if this is possibly work related, then I won't be participating. So that next weekend was that. And it was, I guess, partners that he does work with. And then I'm like, I don't want my person to bring me to this space that he did in Vegas. And we had a really. Like, we took a couple days, and then we really talked about it. And I felt like there was conflict resolution in those moments where we can, like, you. You use those, understand each other. But at the end of the day, I'm like, this is just still not feeling good. And I've always not felt, like, super good. Like, you saw how it was in paradise. Like, my intuition was kind of, like, there. And then it was his birthday in New York, and I went and saw him, and we had a good time, got to see Charity, and I tried to, you know, okay, let's talk about San Diego. Like, now. It's. It's time. Like, I would like to have an idea of what the next year is going to look like. Right. Lease ends in January. And I just felt, again, like we didn't get anywhere. And it was a bunch of. I actually couldn't tell you because I don't even know what happened in the conversation. And granted, I go to therapy every other week, if not weekly. So, like, I talk about. I understand unhealthy communication almost too well now, so I can clock it so quickly. And so when people talk in circles or there is no start and finish is usually from a place of either manipulation or they just don't even know. And then you're left confused, and they don't have to answer. Right. So that's what it started to feel like. And I'm like, all right, I need some space to see if this makes sense for me, because I don't want to do anything that doesn't have, like, an intentional end. Right. And I didn't feel like we've gone anywhere at this point where we're growing. And at this point, like, we don't even have an inside joke. Like, I. Like, we need to have inside jokes. Like. Yeah. So it's like, I just didn't feel like there was enough momentum and that I. There was. I was getting that reciprocal. And I think he felt that, too. I think he started to feel that, too. I'm sure he did, too. Like, I think that I also made like he was experiencing very similar feelings. Mm.

Podcast Host 1 (10:29)

No, I just. I'm like, I'm itching to get to the.

Kat (Guest) (10:32)

Yeah, I think this lead up matters so much.

Podcast Host 2 (10:35)

I feel like at this point, like, so many breakups should have happened, so what could have actually happened to, like, really push this over the edge?

Podcast Host 1 (10:42)

And, like, what was the. Yeah, well, how did that conversation go?

Kat (Guest) (10:46)

We spent a few weeks apart, and I just. I said, let me take some space and I need to see if this is what I really want. You take your space, and you're gonna be in San Diego that last week of October, and we'll see each other then. I guess maybe. I don't know. I actually didn't even know if we agreed on that yet. But, like, I knew he was coming for something else. And, like, we can see. We're at. So we were checking in, like, weekly. Ish. Like, I just didn't want him to feel alone. He was so understanding. He was like, take. I get it. Like, whatever.

Podcast Host 2 (11:11)

Still together. Like, we're still dating.

Kat (Guest) (11:13)

Yeah. I'm not hooking up with anyone or anything. Like, we are still, like, together in a way. Like, publicly, obviously, too. And. But we were so. I didn't feel completely, like, gone like I felt. But, like, again, I didn't even feel like I was dating him to begin with. So, like, what I wanted to feel is if I felt apart from him during that time. And I felt the same. So for me, that was really more.

Podcast Host 1 (11:34)

Like a break versus, like, okay, we are officially done. Like, I don't want to talk to you.

Kat (Guest) (11:38)

Oh, yeah, let's wait. It gets better. So then he cuts. Then he comes to San Diego. Like, I tried to talk to him. I think that, like, Monday or something. We talked for four hours about nothing and didn't get anywhere. And then he's like, well, I'm coming. Like, let's see each other, whatever. So he's in San Diego. We spend the whole weekend together. He's like, I love you. I want to be with you. I want to make this work. Like, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, okay, let's see. So then we start talking daily, and nothing really changes. And I think that goes on for about two weeks and. But I wasn't, like, itching to get back. I was like, I don't really like hair at this point. Like, I'm. I'm done. Done. Like, at this point, if you're not gonna make me, like, feel loved, I don't feel like. That's not how I feel good in relationship. So then a weekend went by where we literally, like, barely talked, and I felt like I couldn't move on with my life with someone else or experience, like, new experiences because I was tied to this, like, relationship that was, like, in limbo.

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Kat (Guest) (17:46)

I called him my half boyfriend.

Podcast Host 2 (17:47)

I was gonna say at this point, are you dating?

Kat (Guest) (17:49)

Like we're like, I mean, did you ever set boundaries? We never set boundaries as far as like hooking up with other people, but like we were, I mean, talking every single day but like, we weren't, like, really, Like, I just assumed, like, obviously we're. If we did experience or explore someone else, like, that would be communicated and, you know, discussed in a way. But, like, we did go from talking every single day still, like, FaceTiming and doing all this stuff, but just about general stuff. Like, nothing crazy, like, still not anything different than before to all of a sudden, I didn't hear from him, like, at all that weekend. And so then that Sunday, I was like, all right, I'm done. Like, I don't. I don't care to be this doing anymore. Like, I. I need to move on with my life. Called him. We had to talk. We're like.

Podcast Host 1 (18:32)

And you told him that you were, like, done?

Kat (Guest) (18:33)

Yeah, I was like, this is clearly not working. Like, we want different things in a relationship. Like, you want to still be living in, like, New York. I want this in a relationship. I want to be close to my partner. I don't really know if I can adjust to the lifestyle that you have. And, like, that is so okay. Like, we've tried to, like, see if that's a life that we can do together. And I think we just both want different things and need different things in a relationship. And, like, you go do that, like, and I will go do this. And, like, let's move on. It helps, I guess, that we weren't like, super, like, I didn't feel super connected to him to begin with. So he's like, yeah, I agree. Like, everything's good.

Podcast Host 2 (19:09)

No pushback at all?

Kat (Guest) (19:10)

Never. He's never had pushback.

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Kat (Guest) (19:12)

He does. He's never been like. Even when I brought up before.

Podcast Host 1 (19:16)

Okay, so minimal reaction from him and then.

Kat (Guest) (19:19)

But we were like, on your terms. We're like, bye. Bye. He's like, I'll be in Florida for the holidays. Like, I'd love to see your family. Like, weird like that. I'm like, okay.

Podcast Host 1 (19:25)

Okay. Yeah. So where's. Where's the meat? I want the meat.

Kat (Guest) (19:30)

Okay. So the second we get off the phone, I get a hagerly text. Like. Like, literally the moment I press that button, I'm literally just got chills. I get a hagerly text from one of my friends who got a hagerly text from someone else and have it. It's in my DMs. And this is giving.

Podcast Host 1 (19:48)

I'm coming to you from woman to woman.

Podcast Host 2 (19:51)

Sure, we're gonna read it.

Kat (Guest) (19:53)

Let me. Sorry. Get my phone.

Podcast Host 2 (19:54)

Yeah.

Podcast Host 1 (19:54)

I'm coming to you to. As women to one.

Kat (Guest) (19:56)

No. So this was. This wasn't even from the girl yet. Oh, here. Here it is.

Podcast Host 2 (20:05)

I'm like getting. This is so crazy.

Kat (Guest) (20:08)

This girl, I guess, knew of the girl, right?

Podcast Host 2 (20:11)

So it's her friend?

Kat (Guest) (20:12)

Yeah, in a way, yeah. She goes, as long as it's because I messaged her. She was like, hey, I'm. This girl messaged one of my friends and was like, I need you to know that, like, Dale, I don't know if here him and K together, but he slept with another girl last night. And so I need. I figured this would get to you sooner. So I go, I would love to know the details.

Podcast Host 1 (20:32)

I'm sick.

Kat (Guest) (20:33)

But I call him back immediately, like, I hadn't even messaged her yet. And I'm like, hey, what's this? Did you sleep over with someone last night? Like, did you hook up with someone last night? And he's like, no. Like, someone was trying, but, like, I didn't hook up with her. And like, I slept in my own bed. And I'm like, somebody. I've heard this conversation so many times. I heard it on tv, actually. Wait, like you saw it on tv? So I said, okay. And then I messaged the girl. She goes, as long as I say, completely honest, this will bite me in the ass. But wait, let me read this. Girl, number one. Girls, girl. And number two, I just literally love you from afar. So I was like, need to share. The girl is okay. She was telling me how she's like, knows the girl. The girl's best friends are my best friend, so I don't know who exactly she told aside from her and don't know what's coming back from to me, but it happened last night in Florida. The girl's name is blank. She's blank. He slept at her place. She had a pic of him in her bed. I personally saw them with my own eyes and can confirm it was indeed him. So I call him back and I go, listen, I will not care if you hooked up with somebody, but I will care if you lie to me. And this is now what's been shared. And there's a photo. So what is it? And he said, we didn't hook up, but, like, I did, like, sleep with her in the bed or something like that. And. Or yeah, it was something about like. I go, what? Wait, no. He's like, okay, yes, like we slept together in the same bed or something like that, or we kissed or something. I go, wait, but then why didn't you tell me that you guys hooked up? And he's like, well, when you said Hooked up. I thought you meant sex.

Podcast Host 1 (22:08)

So, So a lie and a lie.

Kat (Guest) (22:12)

And so he's like. I was like, you're, you're an adult. Like you have a brain. And like, you do know when I say hook up, you meant. I meant everything. Like, and I didn't just mean sex. So like you're, so he lied to me originally and he's basically like trying to cover that up. And then I'm like, what? And then he's like, I'll call you back. Whatever. We go back and forth on the phone. This is like now about like an hour into it. And I keep getting more information. Like I saw that and everything. And then he's like, okay. I was like, I need to know every single detail because at the end of the day, regardless of what happened, it should have come from you. It should not have been someone else. I understand we're not dating, but like, this is hurtful because we never set these boundaries and I need to understand like what actually is about to come out. So I, this is your opportunity now to tell me everything because this is embarrassing for me. In my opinion.

Podcast Host 2 (22:59)

Not only that, but like, you need to be like safe and know if you're sleeping with other people, like to protect yourself.

Kat (Guest) (23:04)

Correct. Because like we, I was just with him, right? So. And he's like, well, we're not even like together or whatever and like try to like make it the same. I was like, well, I mean, sure, but like we are kind of. But regardless, like, that's still not okay. So like I, I don't, I should not be getting hey girly text. So then I reach out to the girl personally and because as we were talking before that, it came out that basically like they, you know, he told me how, I was like, how did you get to the bedroom? I was like, well, we were talking and like, you know, she followed me in my room and then like she left. Like we never slept together. And then we did everything besides sex and all this stuff. Like all these things. Like he's, it just kept growing, right? Cuz that's what happens. And I'm like, oh, I've seen this movie before. You think I haven't dated a guy that at first said no and then all of a sudden find everything else out as you keep pulling back layers. Like it just felt so familiar. And I'm like, he started. I was like, okay, I, I, I, I need, I gotta go. Like I need to talk to the girl or whatever. And like, I think he knew I was calling her. So I called a girl, and she's so sweet, and she's like, I'm so sorry. Like, I thought you guys weren't together. Told me, guys, we broke up. Like, and, like, all this stuff. And I'm like, that's weird. Like, just with me two weeks ago, like, we talk every day, but at.

Podcast Host 1 (24:16)

No point in October did you guys ever have a conversation about, like, being on a break or anything?

Kat (Guest) (24:20)

Yeah. Yeah, that's when. But we also. You guys weren't broke. Like, he said, Halloween weekend. Like, we, like, broke up, basically. And I'm like, okay. That's when we spent.

Podcast Host 1 (24:29)

You guys just had the conversation?

Kat (Guest) (24:31)

Yeah, we spent time together, so it doesn't even matter. Honestly, like, I. Again, I did not really care at this point. I was already checked out. Like, you could hook up. I don't consider it cheating. Like, whatever. It was just, like, we're clearly in a public relationship. You're acting so careless with my name. I won't even hold a man's hand if he looks at me. Because I. We're still in a public relationship. And also, I don't know where we stand fully. Like, we have not had that full I'm done conversation. So let's just have respect for each other. And it comes out, of course, that they did actually fully hook up, and she was actually the one that kicked him out of the room. And it's like, all these, like, crazy details that completely conflict everything that he said. And I at that point was like, okay, no, done. Like, you actually will never be able to speak to me again. Because now, at this point, every single thing that you have said to me has been a lie. All my intuition, everything that I felt about the relationship felt so, like, validating of, like, I knew it. And I think this was like, whatever I believe in spiritually. Like, God, like, showing me, like, this is why you guys aren't together, because it happened so right after we got off the phone.

Podcast Host 2 (25:32)

Which means. Well, also, like, the fact that it happened so quickly after is like, it was happening for a while, or at least the thought of it was happening for.

Kat (Guest) (25:39)

I mean, he. I think he's was probably not honest with me about other things in the relationship. I mean, I saw so many signs of it. So just what hurt me so much was the level that he went to be dishonest. And I felt so, like, how can someone be so capable of that? And then I eventually did answer one of his phone calls, and I told him that, like, I know he did everything besides what he said he did and he said, I told you we did. I go, oh no sir, it doesn't work. I go, you just give you the.

Podcast Host 2 (26:08)

Definition of hooking up. And now he's saying that?

Kat (Guest) (26:10)

Yeah, he said, I eventually told you that last conversation. Like I'm gonna forget our conversation.

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Kat (Guest) (26:15)

And I'm like, I literally, like, I know this freaking movie. Like you're not and so you're not gonna gaslight me. And I was like, okay, yeah, you don't get this. Be on this phone anymore starts calling me. I just sent him links to Better Help Therapy. At this point I like would not answer his phone calls and I just kept sending him list. So I'm like, so I feel bad for the girl. She's freaking out, she feels so bad. Whatever.

Podcast Host 2 (26:35)

So sweet. And it's when you.

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Kat (Guest) (31:52)

Then he starts calling me. I won't answer his phone. He goes, I need to see what was sent to you. Still won't answer. He goes, I'm being serious. So I sent him this beautiful gif of a dumpster fire and I said the only person you should be calling this morning is your therapist. That was our last.

Podcast Host 1 (32:06)

I'm just confused because in my head.

Kat (Guest) (32:08)

I'm like he cared so much and so I'm only reading it that way because I don't want it to come as if like I'm just, I'm not going to just give my subjective opinion feelings.

Podcast Host 2 (32:17)

Like he turned this immediately and he.

Kat (Guest) (32:18)

Was more complaint about that. Yeah.

Podcast Host 2 (32:20)

And to me it sounds like, I mean from what we talked about going back to the happy couple and the show airing, it's like what does the audience think?

Kat (Guest) (32:27)

Yeah. And so I, I don't. The reason I want to go like so detailed into that is that there should be nothing that gets left unsaid in sense of like this is actually the interaction. You can take your opinion for what it is just. And I can say yes. It comes as if like you just want to know the information and it doesn't seem like you're actually concerned about the situation and for what it is. Like. And he's more like of that. And I just don't want there to be anything that gets like misunderstood about how that is. But it is. It felt like again validating all the things I thought and so at this point I'm just like so grossed out. Like I'm just like, you're so fake. Like I can't, I couldn't even.

Podcast Host 2 (33:09)

It's probably just thinking about like what is Kat about to do publicly? And like how do I get. Get my PR team?

Kat (Guest) (33:14)

Yeah.

Podcast Host 1 (33:16)

Just like I gotta. I Need everything that I can. All information that was shared so I can be ahead of this. And like, that to me is like, you know, again, respect is like, I think the bottom line here with like, what Cat is trying to get across of like, okay, I don't care if this happened, but don't lie to me. So, like, that's a respect thing. And like, in that moment, none. I mean, well, it's always about what Dale makes you of the relationship. It's non existent. Like, that doesn't exist.

Kat (Guest) (33:41)

Dale lives in with Dale. And that's it. Like, it's like it felt like again, I was never there. So then I get annoyed and I start being petty on social media because I cannot see people be fake. Like, I was like, you're so fake, and post some annoying. So I posted something and I. And then he. I posted a comment on it. But he went to press first and told them how I. We broke up because it was a mutual agreement.

Podcast Host 2 (34:03)

And that's rich coming from you. Comment.

Kat (Guest) (34:06)

Yeah. So he went to press first to clear his image.

Podcast Host 2 (34:09)

And that's all you said it could not be me. I blow that up immediately.

Kat (Guest) (34:13)

Wait, guys, this is the end. And then they know. Yes, yes. But listen, this is where I'm gonna end with. Because this is what's so crazy. And if there's one thing about me is that if you try to silence me, I'm gonna scream louder. I actually wasn't gonna make anything public about our breakup. He decided to do that when they reached.

Podcast Host 1 (34:33)

Which is. Which is a great thing coming. That's growth coming from.

Kat (Guest) (34:36)

I don't care. I literally was just like, I just want to move on with my life.

Podcast Host 1 (34:38)

No, I know, but I think that's.

Kat (Guest) (34:40)

But I'm not. What you won't do is you're not gonna lie about anything about me involved. So when he went to press and said that we broke up because we're better off as friends, which would require us to be friends first.

Podcast Host 2 (34:50)

An inside joke, maybe.

Kat (Guest) (34:52)

He literally. They reached out to me. They said, this is what was happened. Give me a comment. I go, oh, that's actually the story.

Podcast Host 2 (34:58)

Did you tell the full story?

Kat (Guest) (34:59)

I did to an extent, obviously. Like, I was just like, this is actually the case. And then I received the day before Thanksgiving a cease and desist, a three page multiple paragraph harassment, cease and assess.

Podcast Host 1 (35:12)

Talk about a harvest.

Kat (Guest) (35:14)

It was insane. It was the most insane thing I've ever read in my life. And I was like, yeah, it was all. It's like, you don't Agree with what my ver. What my experience is. So you're trying to make me not say it and like sent threatening messages about how you're going to sue me for millions of dollars if I do when guess what? Defamation works. If I was lying also season.

Podcast Host 2 (35:39)

You've said nothing.

Kat (Guest) (35:40)

I've said nothing. Oh yeah. He didn't want me to be talking about, I guess our relationship. We went on TV together. Like you signed up for a public relationship. I'm allowed to speak. My experience in the relationship. Just cuz you don't agree does not mean that you could just send me legal threats. And the fact that he did is exactly why I'm sitting here today. Because I will not be okay with somebody trying to quiet me through their own falsified experience. Because I actually have proof. And it's not about that doesn't need to be messy. But what I. You're not gonna like, try to make me smaller? And that's how it ended. We have not spoken. I was like sitting with it for so long until this point because it was during the holiday season, first of all. And I was like, there's no way, like there's absolutely no way that I just got this in the mail. And it was so mean. Like it was such a not nice message. And I was like. So I. I was like, what is this? So. Yeah. And I. You can send me, send me another one. Sue me. What do I care? Like I. This I'm allowed to say let's go to court. So yeah, that's where we're at. And he can take that cease and assist and shove it. Oh my Right. But I don't hold any bad blood. I think he really did try his best.

Podcast Host 2 (36:47)

You have been handling this well too, Kat. And you spoke very highly of him.

Kat (Guest) (36:50)

For what it's worth, I don't want this to come as if like I'm just on his life. I think he's doing the best with what he has. Unfortunately, what he has is absolutely not what I need. And I should not be teaching somebody at 37 how to use I feel statements.

Podcast Host 1 (37:02)

Hello. What do we say? Best?

Kat (Guest) (37:04)

This is not.

Podcast Host 1 (37:04)

We are not building any men around.

Kat (Guest) (37:06)

Here, so we're not. I. I hope he can be. He will be a good partner for somebody who needs something completely different than what I do.

Podcast Host 2 (37:16)

Speaking of partners, Cat, give us a little update before we go on your life now.

Kat (Guest) (37:20)

Sure. Yeah. I have been seeing someone and it's new and it's really cute and like really scary because I actually like him. And he actually likes me, too, which is crazy. Usually my type is men that don't like me.

Podcast Host 1 (37:34)

So I'm like, you know what this is? We're onward and upwards.

Kat (Guest) (37:37)

Because I'm like, no, it happened. I was literally, like, I was so excited to just, like, not have to worry about, like, anything. I was excited about my new job. And then he came into my life, and it's just has happened so, like, authentically, like, very emotionally available, like, perfect age. And he's also a normal.

Podcast Host 1 (37:53)

He's like, not in this space.

Kat (Guest) (37:56)

So he's a doctor.

Podcast Host 1 (37:58)

Am I allowed. Am I allowed to say that he's not in this space?

Kat (Guest) (38:00)

Yeah, like, he's. Yeah, I want to respect his privacy. But, like, at the same time, like, we share so much in our own, like, world where I can, like. I've never been able to date someone that, like, actually understands my world. And I get theirs, and we get. We've grown together from that. But I feel like how I've been treated is like, I. I just, like. I feel like I'm gonna be, like, healed through him in a way. Like, he's, like, teaching me, like, how to love myself if it keeps going the way that it is. And. But it's still early, and I'm just, like, excited, but also because it feels so good, it's, like, scary. And I. Yeah, I don't know. We'll see. I. I just. It's something that we're still exploring, but overall, it's been really nice. And I'm just happy to be done with this chapter. Like, we're gonna, like, Dale is dead. Reality TV is dead. It, like, we're just going to move.

Podcast Host 2 (38:49)

Never to reality tv.

Kat (Guest) (38:50)

Reality tv. Dating girl. Okay.

Podcast Host 2 (38:52)

Okay.

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Kat (Guest) (38:52)

I'm. Yeah, I'll go back on tv. I unfortunately, am too. Too entertaining. But I will not be dating again on tv because it's just not my. It's never. It's never been worked out. And I don't really think if I keep trying, it's going to. But overall, I just want to, like, move on and live life the way we all deserve.

Podcast Host 2 (39:10)

Well, Cat, first of all, I just want to say I'm so happy for you. Thanks that you found someone that's making you feel that way. I'm so glad that you have, like, done the work on yourself, because I think it truly really does show.

Kat (Guest) (39:23)

I need to give you guys all the tips and things. I have everything. So much. Oh, my God, it's so fun.

Podcast Host 2 (39:29)

I'm glad you Got to say your piece here, and I hope you can feel good about this conversation and having people know, because I think you deserve to set your side and all the happiness in the world.

Kat (Guest) (39:38)

Yeah, it was very detailed, but we have to. When you get season assist, so there's nothing like it's left. But I appreciate you.

Podcast Host 1 (39:43)

We do.

Kat (Guest) (39:43)

I absolutely do have to get detailed.

Podcast Host 1 (39:45)

Yeah.

Kat (Guest) (39:46)

I appreciate you guys giving me this space and, like, validating, like, my experience. Of course. It's good to hear. And we're all just like, girl, he's just doing our freaking best. Like, let us.

Podcast Host 1 (39:54)

We're trying.

Kat (Guest) (39:55)

We're trying.

Podcast Host 1 (39:55)

And I love this for you guys. Well, for Cat and Rachel's up, that's gonna teach me.

Podcast Host 2 (39:59)

I'm the next one that's gonna grow emotionally.

Kat (Guest) (40:02)

It's so fun. I mean, I'm still a basket case. Don't worry. Like, I still cry. Like, but we all. We all are.

Podcast Host 1 (40:08)

Like, honestly. And that's. That's the beauty of life. It's like we're always evolving, and it's just like the first step is like, obviously accountability and being aware with where we are. And, like, you go, you grow from that. Like, you don't stay in the same spot, not staying stagnant. And like, I think obviously we all have witnessed, like, Cat's journey the past, like, year and a half, two years, which is, in my opinion, I think, like a huge testament. And yeah, it's fun and crazy, but.

Kat (Guest) (40:33)

There'S a lot of beauty in that. There is.

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Kat (Guest) (40:35)

You just have to lean it.

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And we're excited for your next journey.

Kat (Guest) (40:38)

We really are. I'm excited for your guys next journey. I love that you guys are the new host. Yeah.

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