Foolish Mistakes | Golden Hour

Summary

Bachelor Happy Hour | Golden Hour

Episode: Foolish Mistakes | September 2, 2025
Hosts: Susan & Kathy

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Overview

This “Golden Hour” episode of Bachelor Happy Hour is all about navigating awkward, emotional, and sometimes downright foolish mistakes—especially in friendships, relationships, and the transition to retirement. Hosts Susan and Kathy respond to fan questions with candor and humor, drawing on their own “golden years” wisdom and lived experiences. Topics range from jealousy-induced blunders at a work party, to poking fun at friends’ dating woes, to the realities of finding new rhythms in retirement and dating later in life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Friendship & Relationship Mistakes

(04:49–09:11)

• Discussion on Ruined Friendships:
  The episode opens with Kathy and Susan riffing on the theme: Have you ever witnessed someone ruin a friendship with their words or actions? Both agree careless words can do real damage, but experience teaches you to think before you speak.

  “Sometimes people have to remember that what you say, what comes out of your mouth, is what people hear.” — Kathy (07:16)

  • Susan shares having to intervene when witnessing friends mistreat each other, illustrating how uncomfortable and tricky those moments can be.
  • They reflect on the importance of delivery, not just content, when communicating difficult truths.

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2. Game-Playing & Availability in Dating

(08:24–09:37)

• Are you too available?
  The conversation shifts to Susan’s personal revelation, drawn from watching Bachelor in Paradise:
  • Men often enjoy "the chase," and being too available can be off-putting.
  • Susan confesses, “I’m not good at playing hard to get...” (09:20)
  • Kathy and Susan joke about never really being the ‘type’ who played those sorts of games, emphasizing the value of authenticity.

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3. Fan Question: Jealousy at the Company Party

(10:25–17:19)

• Scenario:
  A listener details how seeing her boyfriend flirt with a co-worker at his company party triggered jealousy, leading her to flirt, in turn, with his boss—a move that backfired when word got around.

• Hosts’ Advice:

  “You were really wrong. You don't ever flirt with the boss. I don't care if it's your boss, your boyfriend's boss, your sister's boss, your grandmother's boss. You do not.” — Kathy (12:00)

  • Both hosts declare flirting with the boss "never" okay, regardless of circumstance.
  • Susan empathizes with feeling left out but encourages honesty:

    “The only way out of it…is tell the truth. Just say I was a little jealous. I saw you…looked like you were flirting...so I decided to do the same thing.” (13:55)

  • Kathy points out that underlying trust issues are the real problem:

    “You need to get at the heart of why you don't trust your boyfriend. That's what I would say.” (13:36)

  • Susan and Kathy agree: find your own conversation, mingle—just don’t retaliate with pettiness.

• Notable Moment:
  Kathy's delivery is deliberately harsh, driving home the point:

  “It is an axiom of life. Never flirt with the boss.” — Kathy (15:51)
  This prompts laughter and agreement from Susan.

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4. Fan Question: Group Chat Gone Wrong

(23:29–30:11)

• Scenario:
  A listener wonders if she’s in the wrong for joking in a group chat that maybe “it’s you” when a friend repeatedly complains about bad first dates. The joke prompts the friend to leave the group chat and go radio silent.

• Hosts’ Debate:

  • Susan sees the joke as harmless, especially given the context.
  • Kathy, empathetic to varying sensitivities (especially with dating/failure insecurities), advocates for a personal apology:

    “If it were me, I would be thinking, what's wrong with me? So for someone to voice that, I could see where she would feel bad.” (29:24)

  • Both ultimately agree:
    • Reach out again, make amends, and express the value of the friendship.

    “Make sure she understands how she's valued...try to make amends.” — Kathy (29:35)

    • If she remains withdrawn, it’s her prerogative.

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5. Golden Spotlight: Dating, Retirement, and Adjusting to a New Pace of Life

(30:11–46:48)

• Dating & Retired Life:

  • Kathy prefers dating men who are retired, so travel and schedules align:

    “I am retired. I don't want to date a guy who's not retired because then he can't travel.” (31:03)

  • Susan currently dates someone who isn’t retired, but thinks logistics would be tough if their schedules didn’t match.

• Retirement Realities:

  • Transitioning from career routines to open schedules is a big adjustment.
  • Issues surfaced include:
    • How to split household duties when only one partner retires first.
    • Navigating different visions for an active retirement.

  “You have to think about it as it comes... prepare for that.” — Susan (32:19)

• Finances & Retirement Planning:

  • Kathy criticizes people who spend freely in early retirement without considering longevity:

    “I've met a lot of Goldens who don't give any thought... they're like, yeah, I'll worry about that later.” (39:40)

  • Susan laments not saving earlier and urges young people to start now.
  • Both discuss how retirement goals, budgeting, family priorities, and health all impact quality of life in later years.

  “I think Golden should spend more time concerned about their health so that they can live active years.” — Kathy (42:16)

• Notable Quotes & Closing Advice:

  • “My kids just worry about me spending their inheritance.” — Susan (44:04)
  • “Retirement looks very different in 2025 than it did for our parents…” — Kathy (43:29)
  • “Those of you that haven't looked into retirement savings, get busy!” — Susan (46:36)

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Notable Moments & Quotes

• “Sometimes I will say something, and it's like, well, I didn't mean it that way.” — Kathy (07:33)
• “If your boyfriend is talking with someone else, be it male or female…strike up a conversation with the guy or gal next to you.” — Kathy (15:08)
• “But not everybody has a gab like you though.” — Susan (15:37)
• “Go to one of the boutiques and go buy yourself something.” — Kathy (23:22, advice for handling awkward social moments)
• “If you think you did [something wrong], you probably did.” — Kathy (23:29)
• “Sometimes people make jokes when they're really hurting inside.” — Kathy (29:24)
• “Do you think we should be saving to give money to our kids or should we be spending every time in our retirement?” — Kathy (44:10)
• “I'm not going to go without because I want to leave more. I worked all my life, you know.” — Susan (44:22)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [04:49] — Question of the Day: Ruining Friendships
• [08:24] — The Chase in Relationships: Are You Too Available?
• [10:25] — Fan Question #1: Jealousy & Flirting with the Boss
• [23:29] — Fan Question #2: Group Chat Insensitivity
• [30:11] — Golden Spotlight: Retirement & Dating at Different Life Stages
• [38:01] — Retirement Finances & Living Well Later in Life
• [42:16] — Health, Longevity & Enjoying an Active Retirement
• [44:10] — Family, Inheritance & Blending Retirement with Parenting/Grandparenting

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Final Thoughts & Tone

Throughout, Susan and Kathy maintain a playful, direct, and occasionally sassy tone, blending light-hearted storytelling with honest, practical guidance. Listeners are encouraged to be honest with themselves and others, value friendships, and plan ahead for fulfilling golden years. The episode ends by teasing the next show’s theme—possibly “dating 20-year-olds”—and a call for listener questions.

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To connect or submit your own dilemmas:

• Submit at BachelorNation.com
• DM on Instagram @BachelorHappyHour

“Be sure to follow us… new episodes every week!” — Kathy (46:51)

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Perfect for fans seeking warmth, wisdom, and a bit of real talk about love, friendship, and aging—Bachelor Nation style!

Transcript

[Susan]

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[Susan]

Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour's Golden Hour. Thanks so much for joining us again. We're so excited to be back. How are you Kathy?

[Kathy]

I am fabulous. I am sitting, cooling my heels on vacation, loving the cool weather. But today we are going to be answering more of your fan questions. Make sure you're submitting them. We love reading them. Just go to bachelournation.com and submit away.

[Susan]

Send us everything. Your questions, your updates and your opinions. We want all of it and you can also DM us on Instagram BachelorHappyHour.

[Kathy]

Okay, so before we get into the episode, we're gonna start with a question of the day. But can I just say to you my favorite part? But I just wanna say, you know, I'm on vacation. I'm in Canada. Do you just love the cool weather even in summer?

[Susan]

Yes, it's like September. It gets real cool at night and then the mornings are chilly and then it's really nice all Day.

[Kathy]

I mean, this is such a treat for me because I'm wearing sweaters and long pants in Texas. Like, I won't get wet like this till, like, November.

[Susan]

But you're lucky, because when I was in Canada last year, it was 105.

[Kathy]

Well, that's.

[Susan]

You know what, Susan?

[Kathy]

Stay away from Canada. You're ruining this country. All right. And by the way, I'll bring you some maple syrup because I know you like to cook. All right, here we go. Question of the day. Have you ever seen someone ruin a friendship or relationship just by how they handled something? What do you think?

[Susan]

It's hard for me to remember, but, yes, people do stupid things.

[Kathy]

I mean, I haven't personally done this, but I have seen people let their mouth run away with them, and they'll say something that really offends the other person. And I'm watching this going, really? Did you just say that?

[Susan]

Right. And they regret it after? Well, some regret it afterwards, but yeah.

[Kathy]

I mean, I think it's unfortunate, though. I mean, I think sometimes, you know, your mouth gets away with you.

[Susan]

Were you ever in a situation where two of your friends and one of them was being a dick to the other one and you're trying not to pass judgment? I open my big mouth. It's none of my business, but I was in the same car, and I'm like, yo, don't talk to him like that.

[Kathy]

Wait. And then did their friendship deteriorate?

[Susan]

No. I was ever married, but no, I've had.

[Kathy]

I mean, look at. Look at Theresa Knee. I told her to zip it. And how long did it take for us today?

[Susan]

Yes.

[Kathy]

I mean, but how long did it take? Right. It's. I think people sometimes don't think. And again, we're older, so we think first.

[Susan]

And that's something I learned in my golden years. Think before.

[Kathy]

Think first before we speak. And so some. I will say I've been guilty. This I have been guilty of. I don't think it's ever ruined a relationship, but I have been guilty of saying something. My sister will often say to me, kathy, you are an English major. You're a wordsmith. Be correct, everybody, with, no, no, no, no. Not grammar. Be precise with your words so that you mean what you say and you say what you mean. Sometimes I will say something, and it's like, well, I didn't mean it that way. So I think sometimes people have to remember that what you say, what comes out of your mouth, is what people hear.

[Susan]

That goes hand in hand with the delivery.

[Kathy]

That's Right.

[Susan]

You soften things up, even though you're saying something that's not a positive thing. But the way you say it, people can accept it a little easier sometimes. But if you say it, like, harshly, it's an immediate defense.

[Kathy]

You and I just talked about this. I met a woman recently in. In Bachelor World who reminded me of me and her delivery. I was like, wow. It was like holding the mirror up. And because you. I liked her a lot. I liked her a lot. But I could see where what she was saying was right. There was a but, you know, so. So. But I've never lost a friendship over it that I'm aware of. I've never lost a relationship.

[Susan]

Today, when I said earlier about the recap on Bachelor in Paradise, how I related to Parisa, and I'm so glad that I saw it, because I used to be a lot like that. Like, pull back, Susan. Don't give it all, because it could be a turnoff. It's smothering.

[Kathy]

Well, we don't. We don't have time to get back into that today. But I thought you were saying earlier that you thought it was great that Parisa complimented him.

[Susan]

I did, because I used to do the same things. Smother them with. Good, good, good, good, good. So basically, what that means is it's all about the chase with men. And if you're too available.

[Kathy]

Oh, so now, whoa. We just changed the question of the day.

[Susan]

We did we.

[Kathy]

I'm like this. You're telling me if you're too available, the relationship isn't going to work out.

[Susan]

A lot of times, like, they enjoy the chase when you're. And I'm not good at it when you're playing a little hard to get, if you will. You know, you read the books. It says, be busy when they call. What do you mean, I'm not busy? I want to go out with them. Why would I do that?

[Kathy]

Susan's like, wait a minute. I need 10 minutes to put on my eyeliner. I'll be right there. I've never.

[Susan]

Did you ever do that? Did you ever say you were busy in the morning?

[Kathy]

Do you think I played games?

[Susan]

No, I forgot. She didn't date. She got married and went to Berlin. No, not Berlin.

[Kathy]

Scotland.

[Susan]

Scotland.

[Kathy]

Okay. With Susan. We're gonna just have a little test here. Berlin is in what country?

[Susan]

Berlin is Teresa. Scotland is Kathy. And we just had a tiny little bit of a technical difficulty that I had to take a picture of your face that was frozen, Kathy. It was adorable. And with that being said, we're gonna move along. All right, we'll get into our fan questions for today. I'm gonna start us off with the first one. You ready?

[Kathy]

Ready. Let's.

[Susan]

Hey, ladies. I think I messed up, and I need some help. I was at my boyfriend's company party this past Friday. It was fun at first until I looked over and saw my boyfriend chatting with one of his co workers. Let's call her Mia. To me, their conversation seemed super flirty, and it was really pissing me off. He has a tendency to be a social butterfly and bounce around the room while I'm feeling awkward. I don't usually clam up in social situations, but being around your partner's co workers that you don't know is really intimidating. When I went over to grab him, he said, one sec. I'm telling Mia about X, Y, and Z. I was really annoyed and in the moment, felt like he was picking her over me. And my jealousy got the best of me, so I started passively flirting with his boss. Nothing inappropriate, just being a little flirty and friendly. Well, apparently, one of my boyfriend's work friends noticed and asked him if I was cool with that. He politely asked if we could head home because he was tired. I thought nothing of it, so I said sure, and we said our goodbyes. The car ride home was completely silent. He told me he needed some space and was really hurt and embarrassed. How do I fix this? Was I really in the wrong for what I did? I'm really confused right now. Thanks, ladies.

[Kathy]

Can I go first?

[Susan]

Hell, yeah.

[Kathy]

You were really wrong. You don't ever flirt with the boss. I don't care if it's your boss, your boyfriend's boss, your sister's boss, your grandmother's boss. You do not.

[Susan]

That's what jealousy will do.

[Kathy]

Oh, come on.

[Susan]

First of all, why couldn't she. Kathy. Why couldn't she? When he said, wait just one sec. I'm telling her about X, Y, and Z, chime right in and be a part of it. Oh, my gosh, yes. Wait till you hear this part, like, and be a part of that conversation instead of feeling insecure.

[Kathy]

Well, so let me just tell you. You and I, shocker, are both. Are both outgoing. We can walk in. It's one of my strongest suits, and I know it's one of yours. We can walk into a cocktail party with no one we know and leave with 100 best friends, because you and I can enter. We have that capability. My husband was the guy who would stand around while I was talking and then get Angry with me that I didn't stand by his side because he was not outgoing.

[Susan]

But did you ever feel like he left you to talk to somebody? I would tell no, but he felt.

[Kathy]

That I left him to talk to people and he would get very angry. Now I wasn't flirting. I was just having conversations. Here's where you went wrong, Anonymous. Your boyfriend. Susan's right. Your jealousy got in the way. Your boyfriend is your boyfriend. If you don't have the faith and the trust in your relationship and you see a red flag because he's chit chatting with a workmate who happens to be.

[Susan]

It sounds like that's his personality. Like she said.

[Kathy]

I'm saying if that is your worry that you cannot trust your boyfriend because he's chatting with a workmate, you have bigger issues in your relationship. That's what I think. You need to get at the heart of why you don't trust your boyfriend. That's what I would say. What do you think?

[Susan]

And the only way out of it, and it's not even out of it is tell the truth. Just say I was a little jealous. I saw you. To me it looked like you were flirting with Mia and I felt uncomfortable. So I decided to do the same thing.

[Kathy]

So I decided to flirt with your boss. I gotta tell you, Susan, if the role's reversed, I'd have to rethink that relationship. I hate to sound harsh, but if I were dating a guy and he started flirting with my boss. I don't want that. Would you? I mean, I wouldn't want to deal with the aftermath.

[Susan]

I understood where she was coming from. About he leaves her at his work party. But of course you're going to his people. So he's going to be. That's right.

[Kathy]

Go chit chat. Go find someone to chat with. Don't hit on his boss. You got a room full of people friend. Go.

[Susan]

What she did though, she said I.

[Kathy]

Don'T care what she did. I don't care. The point here is you better. She thought it was flirting.

[Susan]

Beg for forgiveness. But no, she can't let go of the fact that how it was making her feel that he didn't have the decency to include her in a conversation with Mia. Do you know what I mean? She's standing there by herself. She don't know these people.

[Kathy]

We talk. No, I'm sorry. You and I, shocker. Are going to disagree yet again. Okay, we are not talking about a 10 year old. We are talking about adults who are in adult relationships. If your boyfriend is talking with someone else, be it male or female. You know what you do? Strike up a conversation with the guy or gal next to you. Find something to talk about. The cumulus clouds overhead. Find something to talk about.

[Susan]

Not everybody has a gab like you though.

[Kathy]

Well, she had the gift to gap with his boss.

[Susan]

I think she should have stayed in the conversation with the X, Y and Z. With Mia. That's what my butt would be. If I thought he was flirting with her. I'd be right center, right in the corner.

[Kathy]

So great answer. Hang out with Mia and your boyfriend in chit chat or talk to the male or female next to you about what color socks the waiter has on or anything. Don't flirt with the boss. Do not ever. It is a axiom of life. Never flirt with the boss. So I'm sorry that your boyfriend needs space. I don't blame him. Do I sound harsh? Is my delivery harsh?

[Susan]

Susan, if I felt. Yes. But she was wrong for doing that with the boss. I get it. Because he didn't even notice. Somebody had to tell him. That's the best part. Maybe he isn't the one for you.

[Kathy]

Well, she's. But do you share with him?

[Susan]

Do you share with him that you felt uncomfortable that he was flirting? Seemed like he was flirting. That didn't give you the right to do what you did. You admit fault. However, if you feel that way, then go be a part of it and you still feel uncomfortable, then freaking leave.

[Kathy]

Yeah, I'm just saying, in the future, do anything. Anonymous. Anything. Go hang up in the ladies room. Do anything. Pick. Dust off the carpet. You know, ask if there's a vacuum cleaner because you want to vacuum the drapes. Do anything. But do not flirt with your boyfriend's boss.

[Susan]

Ever. That was dumb. That was dumb.

[Kathy]

Ever.

[Susan]

That was dumb.

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[Kathy]

All right, we're moving on now that I've tortured her and I'm really sorry and I hope, I hope you guys get back together. Anonymous But I really would encourage you to look in the mirror and evaluate why you don't trust your boyfriend because that's really what is at the heart of this. It's really hard.

[Susan]

You know, it's funny, Kathy. It brings to mind Frederic is very friendly and we're all French people. Nobody's speaking my language, and he knows everybody and everybody loves them. And I felt a little weird a couple times. Not that I thought he was flirting, but just like, hey, I'm over here. And I did. I tried to strike up a conversation and can't speak the language. So what do you do then? Da, da, da, da, da.

[Kathy]

I mean, listen, when in doubt, go to the bar and get a drink.

[Susan]

I ate.

[Kathy]

Or in your case, when in doubt, go to one of the boutiques and go buy yourself something. All right, let's.

[Susan]

Moving right along.

[Kathy]

Moving along, the next one. Hi, Kathy and Susan. I need to know if I'm the bad guy here. The other day. Wait, can I just say, before we get to this question, when people write in and say, I need to know if I'm in the wrong, I need to know if I'm the bad guy. I need to know if I made a mistake. They know the rule of thumb is if you think you did, you did it. You probably did. Let's just, you know, let's just cut it there, okay? I need to know if I'm the bad guy here. The other day, I poked fun. There you go. At my friend Lila in our group chat. She's always sending us updates about her really shitty first dates, Usually live texting and all in good fun. So yesterday, when she said, ugh, another one bites the dust, I replied, sis, I'm starting to think it's you crying emoji. Everyone in the group chat laughed, reacted to it, and we all quickly followed up with questions and jokes as usual. Well, she didn't respond after I sent that and left the group chat at the end of the night. When I texted her after she left the chat to see if she was upset with me, she didn't answer. It's been almost two days and I still haven't heard from her. What should I do? My friends are all staying out of it, but reassured me that it wasn't a big deal and to just give her time to cool off. I'm honestly really annoyed with her. Am I justified in feeling that way? Thanks, ladies.

[Susan]

Yes, you are justified. Because if she does this repeatedly and you're joking and say, maybe it's you, babe, there's nothing wrong with that. That was funny. Kathy's face is telling me Different?

[Kathy]

Yeah. I'm like, kind of stunned that you said that. I think, what if it had been me? You know, I don't like texting because there's no emotion in texting. You can't read the emojis. Right. You don't. That's the problem with texting. But had I done that and said something like, maybe it's you, maybe she feels like there is something wrong with her. So what I would have done later is I would have text Lila and said, hey, girlfriend. Or him, you know, hey, friend. I was kidding. I didn't mean it. I hope you didn't take offense at it. No, no, no. He said she left the group chat and yells.

[Susan]

And her text. She texted her and she left the chat to see if she was upset. She didn't answer. It's been two days.

[Kathy]

Oh, you mean she left the chat to see.

[Susan]

She texted in the group. I see.

[Kathy]

I wouldn't. I wouldn't have texted receive. She was upset. I would have said, hey, I'm really sorry. I don't think it's you. I don't. You know, I didn't mean to offend you, babe.

[Susan]

I was just teasing.

[Kathy]

I was teasing and I'm sorry. I understand. You probably didn't find it funny, you know, call out the.

[Susan]

It was funny. I was just busting them a little bit. Please don't be.

[Kathy]

And I'm sorry and I won't do it again. But the fact, Kathy, for a girl.

[Susan]

Not to join back in the text for two days over that.

[Kathy]

Well, maybe something else going on.

[Susan]

That's why the dates are bad.

[Kathy]

I'm saying maybe she feels badly. Maybe she feels like there is something wrong with her and that's why it.

[Susan]

Could be hurt her feelings.

[Kathy]

It could have hurt another one bites the nest. Maybe she's feeling, but it sounds to.

[Susan]

Me like she can put it out there. Another one bites and does. Oh, but she can't take it. You know what I mean?

[Kathy]

Maybe that's the case, Susan.

[Susan]

Yeah, well, maybe she can't like that.

[Kathy]

Oh, look at you. Really? I can't take it. I'm crying in the corner. What are you gonna do?

[Susan]

What happened?

[Kathy]

I said now. I can't take it. I'm crying in a corner. You're gonna say, see you later.

[Susan]

I'm pulling you by your hair and say, snap the frick out of it, Kathy. Let's go. I'll get you a tequila and I'll.

[Kathy]

Have a pizza and I will drink the tequila and Susan will have two slices of pizza. I don't know. I don't think this person has the. Whoever it is, I. Sensitive. I don't think this person has the right to be annoyed.

[Susan]

So look what she's asking us. Am I in the wrong? Is that how she started this one?

[Kathy]

Yeah. I think you're in the wrong. Not for what you did. I think you're in the wrong for not reaching back out and again and saying, hey, girlfriend, let's talk about it. Let's talk about your friendship is value to me. I care about you. I love you. Let's not let this come between us. Come on, let's talk.

[Susan]

I know. Then anonymous, go buy a life.

[Kathy]

I would say if you make an honest effort to talk with her, get it out in the open what's really bothering her and she still doesn't talk to you, then that's her problem, not yours. But right now, I think you owe it. Do you agree?

[Susan]

Yeah. I wouldn't want to hurt anybody's feelings. And I don't think she was intending to hurt her feelings because this happens every time and she just. Everybody laughs.

[Kathy]

But some people are sensitive, Susan, especially if she's always getting broken up.

[Susan]

She's not sensitive when she goes, another one bites the dust. That's not being real sensitive.

[Kathy]

No, that she said about herself.

[Susan]

I know, I know.

[Kathy]

But maybe she's sensitive that guys break up with her. Who knows?

[Susan]

No, she's saying the date sucks. She said she constantly always sends updates about her really shitty first dates, usually live texting and all in good fun. So yesterday she says, oh, another one bites the dust.

[Kathy]

Yes.

[Susan]

But she says, wait a second. You crying emoji? That's funny.

[Kathy]

It is funny. Here's the thing. If, you know, you and I make jokes all the time, but sometimes people make jokes when they're really hurting inside. And maybe she's hurting.

[Susan]

That's true.

[Kathy]

So I'm just saying maybe she's hurting. That none of these dates ever go well. And if it were me, I would be thinking, what's wrong with me? So for someone to voice that, I could see where she would feel bad. So I would try it again. Long and short of this is before we move on, I would try again to reach out to her, apologize, make sure she understands how she's valued. Valuable to you. You value your friendship with her and try to make amends. And like Susan said, if she still. Then that's her problem and you gotta move on and let her cool off. All right, Are you ready? We are gonna do a golden spotlight.

[Susan]

Susan.

[Kathy]

Where we talk about something that impacts the golden community.

[Susan]

Okay.

[Kathy]

Today we're talking about my favorite topic, retirement. Okay. So I want I the things I wanna talk about. I'm interested in other people's opinion. You know, I am retired. You're not really retired yet. But I don't want to date a guy who's not retired because then he can't travel. He's limited to two or three weeks a year. Look at what Joan and Chuck are going through. She's retired. I mean, she's doing stuff the bachelor, but she doesn't have a full time job. Chop does not by choice, though. I don't care if it's by choice. He's not retired. She it's. I am retired. I don't want to date a guy who's not retired. How do you feel about that? That is a big issue.

[Susan]

I am dating a guy that's not retired and I have more free time than he. I mean, than.

[Kathy]

Yeah, but you're not really retired either. So you guys balance the balance.

[Susan]

Yes. Though, I guess so. No, that would suck because you have to wait for him to be able to.

[Kathy]

And for me, when I retired, I did have a bit of an adjustment. I didn't have the rigid structure of the schedule anymore. I could kind of do what I want, when I want. And so when guys have asked me out, I've had some guys in their 50s and early 60s ask me out. I don't really want to do it. Remember that guy we met in California at the hotel? The guy was 58 and he was really interested in me. And I said, yeah, but you work full time. He goes, we can make it work. He bi coastal and he works full time. I mean, what do you think about that?

[Susan]

But even just adjusting to retirement, like, I over the years had many, many clients. That one was retiring, but the other one wasn't. And that adjustment, you know, that he's home all the time and she's like, oh my gosh, you know, he needs a hobby or whatever it is an adjustment. And if you don't plan on what activities or what you want to do.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Susan]

You just gotta think about it as it comes. Yeah, I do think, prepare for that.

[Kathy]

You know, you have to. It's like dating again almost. It's like rekindling our friendship, a relationship.

[Susan]

I definitely would give him more chores since he was the one at home and I'm still.

[Kathy]

Susan had him down with a mop and sponge on the kitchen floor, clean the bathroom.

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[Kathy]

Okay, so there's, there are those things, the adjustment of. Of time. Like everyone has more time when you're retired, dating, you know, I just said I want to date someone who's retired. What about I hit the elephant in the room Finances. When you're retired and you didn't prepare well, some people don't prepare well. But again, it's. You have the time and you want to balance the resources. Like, do you think Goldens, I don't know. Do you think Goldens spend enough time thinking about what retirement's going to be like? Can to finance what they want to do?

[Susan]

Well, Goldens are in that you think younger people. I think younger people should focus more on what it's going to be to retire and start saving. Now. I did it backwards and I regret it because I always thought, oh, he's making a ton of money. I don't have to worry. I thought we were going to get a divorce. You know what I mean?

[Kathy]

Right.

[Susan]

But really should focus.

[Kathy]

But I mean, I'm not saying my question right. Let's try this again. When Goldens. When we're retired, now we're golden. Whether you're 60, whatever it is, we're retired. I think that Goldens. I've dated some guys who are like, hey, I'm retired. I can do anything I want. Come to find out they can't because we're living longer. And I don't think Goldens think enough about once they're retired.

[Susan]

Do you mean financially? Like they didn't?

[Kathy]

I think that's one of the things that I have noticed.

[Susan]

Golden keep somebody from traveling like crazy and spending money. They have to be on a budget because they know what's left and how they have to live.

[Kathy]

But I'm saying I have met a lot of Goldens who don't give any thought. It's not, I'm not talking about. I agree with what you're saying. Young people need to think back, you know, think, hey, I'm going to be retired someday. I'm talking about the people I've met who are retired. Who are spending like it's Christmas every day and they're like, yeah, I'll worry about that later. I'm like, I don't think they've figured out that we're living longer, we're healthier. I find that amazing. You haven't, you haven't come across that.

[Susan]

One of the things that I've always said to people, everybody back, back when like this is our parents and our grandparents, and they would not, they would do without. They wouldn't go on trips because they were saving it to their go. I totally disagree with that. I think go while you're healthy and young and you work for it and you go and take your holiday and then you pay for it and you save up for the next time when it's finally retirement. A lot of times. Kathy, who needs a knee replacement? I know my dad, bless him, he retired. A week later he got a knee replacement and six weeks later he passed. So he never got to enjoy his retirement. So it just depends.

[Kathy]

But that's what I'm saying. Retirement looks so different today. People who are retired still want to. Some people who are retired want to volunteer full time because they want things to do, they would like to keep things. I will be honest with you. Most of my friends, in fact, I would say 95% of my friends are not retired. They're between age 40 and 60.

[Susan]

And that's frustrating for women, for us, because we want to go do things and they can't because they're still working or their budget doesn't work.

[Kathy]

And so I find that I find having as much energy as I have, as much time as I have and the desire to do things. I think sometimes people think retirement is going to be this opportunity to do everything you want to do. But you know what I find? I have to find people to do it with me. And it's like a whole new set of friends sometimes because you, you gotta find people who can do those things with you. And I think retirement is not. I mean, in my parents generation, our parents didn't live length that we're living our grandparents.

[Susan]

Right, right, right. And everybody's different. Like, like they're not healthy enough to go enjoy things. Like they can't do it because their health has been altered somehow.

[Kathy]

Yeah. That's why I say, I think my advice to Golden's. Not that anyone's asking me today, but hey, what the hell? I think golden should spend more time concerned about their health so that they can live active years, you know, and.

[Susan]

Can I say something else? Kathy, something that I didn't realize, okay. Some people live on Medicare and they take out.

[Kathy]

No, no, no. You mean Social Security.

[Susan]

Social Security and they take out for Medicare and they take out for this and then they own a home. They have to pay tax at their. Nothing left for them. And, and I don't think people think about that. You don't realize.

[Kathy]

No, that's what I'm saying. I think, I think, I think you and I are doing a free advertisement for AARP today.

[Susan]

I swear. Sign it up.

[Kathy]

But I do think that retirement, I do think that retirement looks very different today and that, and I think that's a good thing. But I will say I have had some challenges, but finding people active enough to date, finding girlfriends who can afford to travel or even want to travel. Retirement looks very different in 2025 than.

[Susan]

It did for our parents and our grandkids that are learning. You know, I can't tell them enough. Put them away, put away for a rainy day. I'm telling you. I'm not telling you to stop living.

[Kathy]

But do you tell your kids? Because I know we have to young grandchildren. I tell my kids all the time. First of all, you know, you and I travel a lot. We're doing different things and our kids are like, wait a minute, we need you to babysit. Yeah, sorry I won't be home. But I always say to my kids how energetic we are. Do you think our kids appreciate how much energy we have in our retirement?

[Susan]

Yeah, I do. My kids just worry about me spending their inheritance.

[Kathy]

Well, that. You know what, that is actually another question for retirement. Do you, do you think we should be saving for. To give money to our kids or should we be spending every time in our retirement?

[Susan]

Well, nobody spends every dime. But yes, you're hoping something's left for them. But I'm not going to go without because I want to leave more. You're not selfish. I worked all my life, you know, so I want to be able to go with them though. I like to go with them on vacation. Like I just came back from the Outer Banks with my son Christopher's family and a bunch of other people.

[Kathy]

So yeah, I brought my whole family to Canada. Yes, yes, I that it. But in retirement, again, it's very different. My retirement is very different from my parents when they retired. But, but that is another thing I want. When you talk about dating in retirement, I to want. I know you have Frederic, but I still talk about in retirement. I want someone who wants. Where family's important. I love spending time with my family in retirement, I think to me it's almost a red flag if I go out on a date with a guy and he's like, oh, my kids, that's their problem. I'm here to have fun. That's a red flag for me because retirement is about having.

[Susan]

I would say they wish I was around even more because I'm.

[Kathy]

Yeah, I don't know. I just think that, you know, people talk about being invisible once they retire, once they hurt 60, being invisible. I just think retirement today looks very different. We're as active, we, we travel, we do things. And I love that. And I, I hope all the people out there who are listening today who are retired pay attention to it, realize that, that misconceptions that, you know, you're retired, you, you curl up on a sofa and read a book and go to sleep. I hope people realize that that is not what retirement is anymore.

[Susan]

Still, still being alive and enjoying your life and your families, you know, getting out, enjoying life.

[Kathy]

I mean, I, I want retirement for me. Well, first of all, I plan on living another account and tell my kids.

[Susan]

That 30 more years, oh, God, I'll be long gone. Kath, I'll save you a spot. And that was fun.

[Kathy]

You're leaving me, Susan, though.

[Susan]

Yes, darling, I'm going for you. But everybody, let us know what you thought about this conversation and where you're at in life.

[Kathy]

You know, my listeners, some of you.

[Susan]

Are retired, some not. Those of you that haven't looked into retirement savings, get busy.

[Kathy]

That is Susan's PSA for today.

[Susan]

Thank you so much for joining us today.

[Kathy]

Yeah, it's really great. I think, I think these topics are all interesting. We hope that, you know, we gave you something to chew on, something to think about today. But in the meantime, be sure to follow us on Bachelor Happy Hour because we have new episodes coming out every week. You don't want to miss it. This week of retirement. Next week we're having a whole episode about dating 20 year olds or sex.

[Susan]

I don't know. You never know what people are talking.

[Kathy]

About, taking their interest. Sex with 20 year olds. Listen in.

[Susan]

Make sure to submit your questions to us. And you know how to do that. Just go to bethlehem, bachelor nation.com goldenhour or DM us on Instagram at Bachelor Happy Hour.

[Kathy]

Listen to Bachelor Happy Hours golden hour on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Until next time, have a great week.

[Susan]

Ciao.

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