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Kathy
Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hours Golden Hour. Thanks for joining us today. We are so excited to be back.
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Susan
Indeed we are. And today we're getting into the premiere of the Golden Bachelor. Kathy, where do we even begin? Oh my gosh. I have so much going on in my head.
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Kathy
Honestly, Susan, first of all, we have to say women. Women. Let's talk about the word. Let's start with that. Or we can start with Mel, where do you want to start?
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Susan
Oh, gosh, I don't know. Listen, the women. Okay, to me, it feels so different than our women. I don't know if it was. They all have long hair or they look younger or act younger. I don't know. I can't pinpoint.
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Kathy
Okay, so my thought is, first of all, some hairdresser is making millions off of them because they all have hair extensions. I'm sorry, not all of them, Kathy. They all had lots of luscious, long, curly hair. Here's my thing about the women, and we're not giving anything away here because they showed it in the. In the preview for next week. You and I have met some of these women, and they're lovely. Having said that, to me, they don't seem or act golden. Many of them are younger than the. Than our crowd was, but a couple.
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Susan
Of years shouldn't make that much.
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Kathy
Well, but here's the thing. Many of these women, this. You know, I've given this some thought. Many of these women have careers. They own businesses.
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Susan
Oh, yeah.
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Kathy
So I think many of them are looking to. For Mel. Some of them aren't looking for Mel, but they're looking for exposure. They're looking to, you know, up their game in the social media world. I'm not bl. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I'm saying we all came as innocents looking for love.
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Susan
Love. Love. That's the moral of this whole. That is the story that is Bachelor about finding love in the most unorthodox.
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Kathy
Way, if you will.
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Susan
I mean, being on a show, all these women, meeting one man. It's about love.
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Kathy
But I see. I don't. I disagree. I. I think.
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Susan
Oh, you're right. With. Not everybody's intentions are that.
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Kathy
Yeah, not everybody's certified love. Some people are there. I mean, some of those people have, you know, hundreds of thousands of followers already. I mean, these. These are not newbies to the world. So having said that, I mean, watching women in the previews, jumping into the pool with their gowns on, do anything like that. Well, you know, I mean, I'm not sure I would do it even now, but I want. There's so many things I want to talk about. Let's.
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Susan
Let's start with him. Can we start with him?
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Kathy
Let's. Okay, go for it.
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Susan
So coming out, watching his story and seeing him with his children and knowing still in the back of my mind, his statement that was made on that podcast, I didn't forget it. I had a little judgy thing going on. If you. Yeah, but he, his, his life, the apology, he was sincere. He was so nervous about his stupid comment and I almost felt bad for him in a way. I did feel for him. I liked how he seemed so humble. I liked how he chatted with his boys and he seemed ready.
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Kathy
See, I, I agree with some of what you're saying. Again, I give a lot of grace to anyone who's the lead because we, as the women, you know, we hang out in the bedroom, we could talk, we could talk about our feelings. This guy is, you know, Mel has no one. He's. And men aren't as typically as. Unless we're talking about Gary crying. Men aren't typically as emotional and they don't let their feelings out. So I think, you know, personally, he started behind the eight ball. Yes, he gave a great apology. You know, I'm reading things on the Internet that, you know, he was primed. He was coached to say it. I don't know that that's true. I think he said in the moment on a podcast, you know, he didn't realize the world was listening. A and B, he hadn't gotten into the show yet. And if you. And I think they're beautiful, fabulous looking women. I think he was shocked.
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Susan
Well, he knows now. You hear him now? Like.
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Kathy
Yeah. And so I think when he says. I believe him when he said he is gonna have to earn it back. And he, and he's, and he thinks the women are lovely. I, I'm, I'm going with. I think he means it. You know, I gotta say though, Susan, I wish you would wear shoes instead of sneakers. Like really, you got sore feet? You know, Come on, we have to wear bras with metal straps on them. For God's sakes. Come on now and put on a real pair of shoes, covers and everything else.
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Susan
Remember when they're, they're trying to put the mics on you, it's like, oh.
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Kathy
Well, okay, so, so I'm, I'm giving him grace. I'm going to cut him some slack. I think he's a good looking man. I think he's going to be surprised at this journey. So, so that's what I have to say about him. I think he's doing his best to dig himself out of a hole and I'm going to give him some grace. Okay. The next thing.
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Susan
Kathy, how about his energy? He's there. He's in the moment. He still feels a little, I don't think death.
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Kathy
I was just going to say energy. I think, well, listen, this is you and me who, you know, we're falling all over each other with so much energy. I mean, he wouldn't know what to do with us, but I think he just, he's got it. It's going to take some time for him to warm up into what he's doing, but I think he will.
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Susan
He's ever done this, too.
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Kathy
Yeah.
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Susan
You know.
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Kathy
Okay, we have to jump in. The women are lovely. I've, I've said it, I've said it on my social media. You know, my money is on girls. My money's on my Austin girls. But, but wait. I love Cindy. Her eyes, gorgeous. But I want to talk about as a mom and as a woman of a certain age, because for all those of you listening, you know, my daughter was not really excited initially about me doing the show. Nicole in the pool with Mel, making out with him. I'm sorry. I think I want to bring. I want to bring respect to women of our age. I want the Bachelor nation to say, you can be of a certain age and still command respect and love. Nicole's lovely, but I'm saying I think it's over the top and not a good look.
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Susan
And you heard her line, like, you know, I'm going for it. I feel there's something between us. But I love when Terry said I don't act like that.
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Kathy
Look at her.
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Susan
She's jumping on.
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Kathy
What did she say?
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Susan
She's. She's climbing them like a tree.
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Kathy
That was Cindy. Cindy said he's cliche. Cindy said that girl's climbing. I'm like a tree. Which, you know. Thank you, Cindy. Love that. But I, I, he did say something.
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Susan
To Nicole like, you know, let's slow this on. Let's, you know.
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Kathy
Yeah, but, you know, did he though.
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Susan
I mean, are making out with them with all. And I've. We saw Gary kiss somebody else in front of.
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Kathy
I know, but you could like that. But did you feel the tension? I mean, I saw Cindy. Cindy was talking with. I think, I think you see a little tear. I just want to go back to one thing that Mel said. Well, he said love is something you don't compete for. It's Alexandra. Sorry, not Mel. Alexandra said this. Love is something you don't compete for. It's a feeling. I'm sorry. But again, as a woman who has been on this journey, there is a competitive nature to this show.
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Susan
Yes, of course. And so a small window of time that you get to spend with him. So you want to make it the best that you can. And make him notice you.
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Kathy
Okay? And to that, we're all noticing Nicole. I mean, she's lovely and pretty.
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Susan
I can't help it. I love her.
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Kathy
Now, the next thing I have to talk about, because I thought of you, Susan, when I watched this, I thought, oh, I've got to talk. We got to do this on the Bycast. But would you rather game. Would you rather. But here's where I. Again, I want to. I am the hopeful romantic. Remember, I coined that. You are in love. I want to be in love.
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Susan
I was a hopeless romantic until I came off the show.
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Kathy
Well, we're both hopeful romantics. Okay, here I had. I'm telling you, I rebound it three times again.
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Susan
What's the twice.
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Kathy
Wait a second. Cheryl and he are playing this game. Cheryl. And he reads them and he says, loyalty or passion? And of course, I'm thinking, well, this is an idiot game. Of course, loyalty. They both say passion. I'm like, if you don't have loyalty in your relationship, I'm sorry, out the door. The next one was a mountain or ocean and. And, you know, whenever they said the beach, okay, early rise or whatever, fine. Early residential care. But then touch or emotional connection. And I'm like, oh, well, we both want. Both. But if you don't have an. What? Are you kidding me? But if having.
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Susan
Of course, yes, but that's really dissecting. It was just a quick little, you know.
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Kathy
Oh, no, see, I. You know me. I. No, I want the man. Let's be clear. Who is going to. I'm going to have an emotional connection with him. There's going to be physical touch, and by God, he better be loyal. So I was like, mel, you and I have to have a talk here. Because I didn't like that when he said passion. Now, that didn't bother you?
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Susan
Because I need to be touched. I like physical touch. So I. I got it.
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Kathy
Great. Let me just say for all you people out there, I'm going to call Frederic and I'm going to say, hey, listen, she doesn't care if you're loyal. She just wants you to touch her.
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Susan
That's not true. You're not excusing Juan. Okay, yes, it is. You had to like the. The for.
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Kathy
Would you rather is pick one or the other? You don't get to pick two, Susan. Pick one. So that I. I'm just gonna say that bothered me a little bit.
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Susan
Something else that Mel said, and I quote, age is just a number. Spirit has no age.
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Kathy
Yes.
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Susan
Loved it.
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Kathy
Yes.
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Susan
That was.
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Kathy
Well, well, said so when he, when he said, you know, love, happiness and fun on this toast. Like I said, I think Mel's great. I think, I mean, we all want him to find love, but I want these women. My thing is, I want, I want the Golden Bachelor TV show to be authentic with women who are golden and not parading around like teenage girls. I don't like that. I have to be honest.
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Susan
Anybody can parade around. I act goofy a lot of times.
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Kathy
Kathy, that's not what I'm talking about.
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Susan
Well, golden. What are you talking about that I'm.
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Kathy
Talking about when they're, you know, everyone's gone. He's so hot.
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Susan
It's like, oh, that's.
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Kathy
Well, that's what I'm saying. I want, I want the, our message to be different. And I. So I'm hoping that we're going to get more of that.
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Susan
How about Peg? Let's talk about Peg. She sat down and chatted with him. I love this woman, okay? And her hair is real. It is so thick. I would hate to be her hairdresser.
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Kathy
Okay, let me tell you what I think about Peggy.
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Susan
And I loved her conversation because she nailed it. She asked very important questions. You're not retired. Well, how do you spend time with people. I need somebody to spend time with me. Like, I really loved her conversation.
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Kathy
Yeah. And so let's talk about that for a minute. I, I agree with you. She's very real. First of all, I love that she's a bomb squad. She's a fire. Firefighter. My son was a firefighter. So, Peg, I love you right there. Love her to pieces. But hold on. When she said. Wait. When she said when the bomb didn't go, if I know that's where you're going.
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Susan
I felt so mad.
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Kathy
But here's the thing about Peg.
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Susan
Yes.
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Kathy
She for me, is either going to go really far or not at all. Or she is going to be out the door. Because. And I'll tell you why that woman has been around. She said it herself in a firehouse with, you know, and she said all these women, chatty, chatty, chatty. She is not used to, you know, hair flipping, what color lipstick am I going to wear today kind of girl. She's a get the job done and I love her for that. So I'm anxious to see what happens with her as. But I'm proud of her. Yes. Women as firefighter. Love it.
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Susan
You've had this same exact thing said to you. When people have said to me, how come you can't find anybody? And I'm a lot, we're a lot. We're big persons, personalities. Either you fall for us or you don't at all. You might be our friend.
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Kathy
But I have a question. I agree, I agree. But here's the question I have about Peg and Mel again. As a woman who's looking for her partner. When she said to Mel, you know, I want you. I'm looking for a man. When are you going to retire? He said, never. And then I think if I'm not, if I'm. I think I've got this right. She said, what are you looking for? And he said, I've been looking for you. So you already see the flirting going on. But, but again, we are not 25 or 30. We're not building careers. Apparently he is still working. So how is that going to work?
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Susan
Some women eat that up. That is an important thing to say. Like, even though he was putting it out there, flirtatiously, some women think, oh, my God, I've been looking for you. He really does. He has a connection with me. You, when you're that into somebody, any little thing, they say you're going to take it as, oh, it's, it's me and him. It's me and him. Like when him and Cindy had that talk and the three kisses, you know, she kept going back.
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Kathy
Let me tell you, that girl, I'm going to call her in Austin, I'm going to ask her to teach me on a flirt because man, she's got it down. Okay, I want to. I will also want to talk about Monica P. What? I almost cried because I'm alone. And when she talked and he. That you could see that connection of eating alone and I just.
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Susan
And she felt maybe she said too much too soon.
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Kathy
So here is the difference again. As a woman of a certain age, the 30 year olds, the trails, they just throw it all out there. They don't care. We're smart enough to sit back and.
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Susan
Say, look at the big picture.
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Kathy
Yeah. Should I have said that? Should I have not? Am I going to push?
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Susan
Well, that's what she did. Yeah.
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Kathy
Yeah. I don't know. I just, I'm.
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Susan
I'm Amy, a little firecracker. She's just a giddy little tiny thing. Just.
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Kathy
God bless her. I love her. She's going to be entertaining for sure. Okay, now, you know, Catherine, Sandra has a twin. I. We knew that. I don't view. We knew that. But I thought when they. She had told us on our show she had a twin. But here's the thing. If Sandra had more hair in a more upbeat style and got rid of her glasses, they would look like the identical twins they are. I know. Sorry that she went home the first night, but we never really got a sense of her so.
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Susan
I know.
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Kathy
But the next thing I have to ask you about is before we get into the specifics of it, what do you think about golden women who aren't totally golden as cheerleaders on my show.
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Susan
And I hate it on this show. Let's define golden, will you please? To me the definition would mean age of Social Security, which is 65. Okay. We have even had some 50 some year olds.
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Kathy
Yeah, we have some. I mean I'm. And then, and, and let me tell you, I was. I want to talk about the cheerleading. But we'll bookmark that and come back. Diane, Diane is 71. I mean every time I want to.
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Susan
I go in and look at the picture.
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Kathy
Yeah. Diane, it's the sweet librarian, I believe from Arkansas. I'm not sure which from. But you know, cute little short haircut. She did not have extensions all day. Oh, you know what? She's not though. She's not. She's from Alaska, which is even.
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Susan
Yes, I was.
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Kathy
She's from Alaska. But here's the thing that woman in my mind is there for the right reason, in my opinion. She's. She's there, she's authentic, she's. And I'm like, yes, we actually have a really wonderful golden woman. I. I'm not sure they're. Well, clearly she went home, which, you know, was sad because I wanted to see a. A woman who's golden, who's fit. I mean, gosh, that woman is fit. I wanted to see where that would go. But I just had a genuine liking of her.
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Susan
She was sweet.
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Kathy
Was she the one that said, what the puck? Yeah, she's a hockey player. I mean, and he was shocked by that.
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Susan
And we talk about Debbie and that dimples and how cute and pretty and.
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Kathy
Her smile and she's never been married.
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Susan
Married. And I wonder if that, you know, some people think that's a red flag. Well, I know you and I have said, oh, he's never been married.
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Kathy
Susan. I will not. I dated one man. Debbie, I love you and you're beautiful and I'm not sure this applies to women, but as a woman, I dated one man who had never been married. Ask me if I'll ever do it again.
- [28:42]
Susan
Really? What ever?
- [28:44]
Kathy
Never.
- [28:45]
Susan
Red flag like that with people that never had kids because they don't know what it's like to have children.
- [28:51]
Kathy
Well, but sometimes you can't have children. That's a choice.
- [28:55]
Susan
While not being married, not having children, that's a whole family unit, something you adjust. It's part of your life. And they don't. They never to do it.
- [29:05]
Kathy
So I think, I don't know, I think, I mean, Debbie said she built a business, she started as a fitness instructor, all that stuff. And it is a choice not to get married. But I think if you've never been married, the only person you've ever worried about is yourself. And if you only worry about yourself, that doesn't bode well for me, for a partnership. And to me, at my age, I am not looking to be led with by any age. By the way, I hope women aren't looking to be led by the nose, but I want a partner. Somebody walk with me. Not in front of me, not behind me, but together.
- [29:43]
Susan
How about Carol and La and they had a lot in common. A lot of sports thing. I like that Robin. I would definitely want to date Robin because.
- [29:52]
Kathy
Oh, no, no, listen, you and I are taking a trip out to Napa. We're going to go see Robin and Terry. I mean, I love some of these women have so much spunk, but I would be lying. I would be lying. And for all you out there, don't send me messages telling me I'm jealous. I'm not. I am perfectly happy with who I am. I just believe in, in golden people having energy. And, you know, when you're 58 or 60, you know, you have energy, but you're. I just gotta say, maybe not that golden.
- [30:29]
Susan
And that for Marcia. Monica. Monica B. Was so shocked when she got the rose. Did you see her face? Like. Because I felt like she didn't think she was going to be there. And she's quiet but funny. Like she's got a great personality.
- [30:46]
Kathy
Yes. I'll tell you another one I really like is Jerry. And I'll tell you why I like her. Well, first of all, because she's real. And you and I are so real. So I love her kids on her own, I mean, but a widow at 47 years of age. Let's talk about that. Raising kids again. I don't know if young. I think the people watching this season are so going to. I have goosebumps. Are so going to identify with a golden woman. You know, she's 64. I'll cut her slack for a year. And she said the overarching themes that I love hearing about, you know, it's my turn now, 18 years later. And I think Mel resonated with that because he's raised his kids. And I just think the overarching themes of finding, wanting, connection, looking, taking, you know, it's our time now, all of those things. I want that to be displayed more. I want that to be a more central focal theme in this show. And I hope it becomes more so.
- [31:58]
Susan
Tell me something, Kathy, when you look at Mel, he doesn't read, I can't read what it is he's looking for.
- [32:08]
Kathy
You know what I'm saying? Okay, so you and I related.
- [32:13]
Susan
I swear, I can't put my finger. Do you want the flirtatious, fun, jump on your bones kind of girl?
- [32:20]
Kathy
I want to be smart. Like, maybe he doesn't know. Maybe he doesn't know. And that's fair, Mel. If you don't know, you don't know. You don't know what you don't know. But that brings up something else that I thought about the women, you know, were, were enthusiastic and lots of energy. And I do want to get back to the cheerleading bit.
- [32:42]
Susan
Yes, yes, yes. But I like, now they.
- [32:45]
Kathy
But did you hear Mel talking about the women and how, you know, they, they gave up.
- [32:51]
Susan
They.
- [32:51]
Kathy
They're so energetic and they're Pretty. Yes. But. But I didn't hear him sort of talking about what it does for him. Yeah. And. And what he's really looking for. I didn't hear it. And so again, as a woman of a certain age, if you don't know by the time you're our age what you want.
- [33:15]
Susan
But you can't judge a book by its cover. He only met them. What?
- [33:19]
Kathy
I have not met him. I can't wait to meet him. But. All right, what about the cheerleading? I was a cheerleader. Let's just start with that. I mean, come on.
- [33:29]
Susan
I thought it was fun. It was better than the talent contest they surprised us with.
- [33:35]
Kathy
You know what? I hadn't. I had not thought about that.
- [33:39]
Susan
Karate chopping wood like when.
- [33:41]
Kathy
When Paula Abdul. Which I thought. You know what I thought it was going to be. And I was thinking, oh, damn it. I was on the wrong season because I can throw a football. I can throw a spiral football.
- [33:53]
Susan
It was dance gab.
- [33:54]
Kathy
I know. I was thinking, well, I was a cheerleader. I could do that too. But I was just. When they go, we're shaking our booties, I'm like, come on, really?
- [34:03]
Susan
Look at us on stage doing it. That's what the show is about. Taking you out of your comfort zone and making you do things that you wouldn't normally ordinarily. Just jump.
- [34:15]
Kathy
Oh, you know what, Susan? You're right. I have lived 70 plus years never jumping into a swimming pool with a ball gown on. Damn. I haven't lived life yet.
- [34:26]
Susan
That was a moment I loved. I loved it.
- [34:29]
Kathy
The hell you would, Susan. You'd be like, I ruined my dress. I ruined.
- [34:33]
Susan
It was after the night. It wasn't before. And I love the rose ceremony outdoors by the pool.
- [34:38]
Kathy
Oh, yeah, I did love that. Well, that's something else. Wait, that is something else that they changed on our season. They were trying to hide that we're up all night long and you know, Sandra's bitching. Who was it? You know, not Sandra. Natasha, Give me a chair. Give me a chair. But this time, it was like they acknowledged the elephant in the room, which is. Friends, you're up all night. The. The rose ceremony is in the morning. They said, you know, it's 7:00am I like that because to me, that's authentic. And I want. I want it to be real. I really want it to be real.
- [35:13]
Susan
To see what you watch on TV is really happening. It's really happening.
- [35:17]
Kathy
It's really happening.
- [35:18]
Susan
It's about finding love. Get back down to the basics. It doesn't matter who flirts the most, who dresses the best, who sleeps more, who shy, who is forward. It's about a connection of love.
- [35:33]
Kathy
Yeah, well, no. Well, you are just okay, it. That's what we want. What were you about to say like that girl? Well, you know, it's. It's coming for me. Susan. I'm saying I want this show is the framework is about love but it's so much more and the themes that we like anxiety. You know, you heard Mel said the beginning. This is real people and forget the TV show for a minute. People our age, we have anxiety. We have worries about our children. When he took Cheryl on that first date and she's talking about her son and taking care of her mother and her husband left.
- [36:16]
Susan
I'm sitting her husband comes back and steals Tyson for a week. She didn't know where he was. I was losing my shit.
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Brian Bissell
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- [42:55]
Kathy
I'm all about what makes the Goldens different and their stories are real. I mean they all have hair and extensions, I don't care what you say. And they're all gorgeous and they all wear bikinis and for that I am jealous. However, their stories are real. Ray, you know, taking care of mother in laws, taking, you know, Mel taking.
- [43:15]
Susan
Care of his sons and not having any time to date in all those years, Right? Look at the young lady that we interviewed, Jerry. She spent her life raising her children when her husband passed. Now it's time for her. And he knows it, accepts it, and gone after it.
- [43:34]
Kathy
Okay, now I'm going to say something else that's going to irritate you, but why not? We're just going for the gusto today.
- [43:38]
Susan
She loves doing this.
- [43:39]
Kathy
I just love it because, you know, Susan and I, this is how we spend.
- [43:41]
Susan
I don't even have wine yet.
- [43:43]
Kathy
Kathy, you know, either. Do I speak. It's. You know, we might need to take a break here. I have to say I'm going to ask you because I have mixed emotions. And again, all right. When Cheryl got the first date, the princess date, just like Ellen got it in our show. But can I just say, I love it. I mean, I want that jewelry, I want those dresses. I want it all. But I just feel I can't help. I'm a realist. I can help when she starts crying, I want to be a princess. I have not taught my daughter to be a princess. I taught my daughter to get up her offer ass, get an education, work hard, earn your money. So it bothers me a little bit.
- [44:28]
Susan
Girl, you always teach him the girly things as well.
- [44:32]
Kathy
It's.
- [44:33]
Susan
It's. You're a female. Females are different than males.
- [44:36]
Kathy
No, no, no. When Cheryl said, I want to be a princess, and I. And she cries, I thought to myself, okay, I mean, we all had anybody.
- [44:46]
Susan
Treat her like a princess.
- [44:49]
Kathy
Treat yourself like a princess. Believe in yourself.
- [44:53]
Susan
For a man to put you up on a pedestal and make you feel like a princess. And that date was like a princess date.
- [44:59]
Kathy
It was. No, no, no. Hear me. I'm. No, no, no. The. Wait, wait, let me be clear. Susan was sitting there.
- [45:04]
Susan
Hello.
- [45:05]
Kathy
Wait. I am not saying freaking princess. No, no, no, wait. I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. I am saying that when I hear a woman at our age crying, I want to be a princess. I'm like, no, sweetheart, you have so much more. Cheryl, you are a strong woman who is, you know, who has an open heart, has taken care of your mother. You know, you had a son that you've raised. That's what makes you worthy. It's not about.
- [45:36]
Susan
Okay, so you're doing all that because I could say that I could. I very well could say I'm going to say it. I want to be a Prince. Princess. I'm 68 years old and it's time I be the princess. You're right. Her career, like she did it all. Why not want to be the prince now? Maybe look at it like that.
- [45:55]
Kathy
I guess it's the word princess. I, you know, I guess it's word princess. Struggling with princess. I mean, I have never.
- [46:03]
Susan
Listen, for Halloween, you're going to be a princess. I'm going to dress you up. I'm going to give the crowd. Going to get your glasses.
- [46:11]
Kathy
Listen, I want a guy who loves me at our age. I'm saying this is stuff that you hear a 20 year old say. I want to find a guy who treats me like a princess.
- [46:19]
Susan
Came out of her mouth. Maybe, maybe she didn't even know she was going to say it. She just said, oh, I want to be.
- [46:24]
Kathy
I guess what I'm trying to say is, Cheryl, I love you. I think you are strong. I think you are capable. You should be celebrated and all right. You want to be a princess. Okay.
- [46:38]
Susan
You know, I love being a princess. Princess, y'.
- [46:40]
Kathy
All.
- [46:40]
Susan
I love it. She came in on that motorbike and she wants to be a princess because she was rugged. She's done the tomboy thing. She's done that, you know, the rough stuff. Now you dress up in your pretty. That's the benefit.
- [46:53]
Kathy
That's the problem. Susan. I need the pretty clothes and the jewelry.
- [46:56]
Susan
That's the benefit of being a woman. You get to do both.
- [46:59]
Kathy
Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were going to say princess. I'm with you. Be a woman. It's the princess I'm struggling with. Okay, I want to talk about.
- [47:09]
Susan
Can we talk about.
- [47:10]
Kathy
Wait, I want to talk about. I can't tell you because I, I'd have to look them up other than, let's see, Andra. The ones that went home. Diane.
- [47:22]
Susan
But I hate.
- [47:23]
Kathy
Here's. Can I ask you. And I want an honest answer here, Ms. Princess.
- [47:27]
Susan
Yes.
- [47:29]
Kathy
Yes, your highness. Here's my question for you. Yes. Does it go against your grain as a strong, independent woman? And you and I both are that women. I mean, you understand I'm gunning to become a producer here. I don't like the fact I know people have to go home. I wish they would start with. I think there were 17 left. I think they'd six went home. I think I'm right. Why don't they just freaking start with 17 and have them stay a couple.
- [48:04]
Susan
Of episodes and less crowds, like even the group dating. Make it less of them so that you really can mingle and know somebody's personality.
- [48:17]
Kathy
I Mean, we're talking about two things here. What makes a good show. We're talking about what makes a good show. But I'm talking about women. We are trying to celebrate golden women. We are not invisible anymore. We have things to say. We want people to listen to us, except we really don't because we're setting six year home the first night. I don't like that.
- [48:36]
Susan
Okay, I forget. I hate to interrupt, but someone said, I feel seen. Was that Cindy?
- [48:42]
Kathy
Yes. And safe.
- [48:44]
Susan
Safe, seen.
- [48:46]
Kathy
And again, these are these overarching themes of feeling seen, being vulnerable, having an open heart, coming for the right reasons, having anxiety, but overcoming it. All these really serious kinds of things. And that's why I hate seeing women go home the first night who didn't even have a chance. Whether they spoke to him for two minutes or not. I just wish that, that.
- [49:14]
Susan
Do you remember the first time we got to sit with Gary? I think it was like maybe two minutes. And what are you going to talk about in two minutes? Except Peg. Peg knew what she was going to talk about. All right, let me hear. Let me. I want to know what it is you're looking for. What do you like to do? Are you retired? How much time do you want to spend?
- [49:31]
Kathy
Can I. Sure.
- [49:32]
Susan
Of herself.
- [49:33]
Kathy
Do I see me in Peg? Do you? I see me and Peg. I'm like, let's get down to brass tacks here. What do you think? I mean, I've always been a direct. I mean, I wasn't a firefighter, but, you know, my son is. And I've seen it all. I love that she's strong. But again, men are either going to be a really. When I say men, Mel is either really going to be attracted to that strong woman or.
- [49:58]
Susan
Or not compare that to Nicole. Have you heard conversation from Nicole and him? I only see hanging on and making out. And I get it. She feels like there's chemistry and she's going for it. But I had never really heard a good conversation.
- [50:12]
Kathy
You're saying they did not have a conversation?
- [50:14]
Susan
I'm asking, did I miss something? Was there a deep conversation with them?
- [50:19]
Kathy
With. I'm sorry, just Nicole. Are you asking specifically? I don't. I don't think they had. But again, remember, we're only seeing what the TV show shows us, so we don't know if he did. But again, I don't know why I'm on such a tear today, but I want women. It's it. You want to go, you know, jump his bones in the pool? Okay, fine. But I. I Want. I want women to see that we can be graceful and strong and have opinions and still be desired by men.
- [50:54]
Susan
And they were all. Very good point. And they were all excited when she got the date, the first date. They were all happy for her like we were for everyone when Theresa got the date.
- [51:05]
Kathy
I feel like.
- [51:08]
Susan
Good job. Like we were the first ever. Our show was the first ever in the history of math.
- [51:14]
Kathy
Yeah.
- [51:15]
Susan
We're seeing. They're going to fine tune and they're. You know what I mean? But I don't think they should go any younger. 50s is out of the ballpark for me. That's not golden. Well, you're still in puberty.
- [51:28]
Kathy
I want to know, do you think some of the women there. We don't have to name names unless you want to do. I think some of the women are there for the wrong reason.
- [51:38]
Susan
I think some of the women saw us and what happened for us and they want that.
- [51:44]
Kathy
Which you and I, Susan, you and I never thought about this. We didn't.
- [51:48]
Susan
I don't even have Instagram. Okay, wait.
- [51:49]
Kathy
I didn't know what an influencer was.
- [51:53]
Susan
Neither did I. The whole thing was Kathy. And you and I both share. Coming off that show, we're reaching so many women, letting them know life is full of possibilities. That over in your 60s.
- [52:07]
Kathy
That's the message. And that's the message I want this show to have always.
- [52:11]
Susan
Always.
- [52:12]
Kathy
And what did you think? I have what I have back to Nicole for one second. I have another question. What did you think? I mean, I won't say. Nicole, I love and I do. I love all these women. I mean the ones we met. I do.
- [52:25]
Susan
I think they're sitting in front of everybody.
- [52:28]
Kathy
You know, all that was a lot. When she said, he's my husband, you know, I'm like, come on, is that really maybe something?
- [52:39]
Susan
Remember you at 20 some years old and you saw your man.
- [52:42]
Kathy
I was married.
- [52:43]
Susan
No, you weren't married yet. He was across the room. You went to a party in college or something and you said, that man right there is going to be my husband.
- [52:51]
Kathy
Susan, you just proved my point Exactly. I was 20 years old when I got married. I was 18 when I met my husband. And you're exactly right. I was at a fraternity party. I pointed. I was holding my red cup because drinking was so. It was legal at 18 because that's how old I am. And I. And I looked across the room and I saw him and I. And I tapped my. My roommate with. That was at the party, that guy over there. I'M going to marry him. And I did, 18 months later. So Nicole is not 18.
- [53:23]
Susan
No. Well, maybe she still believes it. Maybe she really thinks it. Hey, we don't know what's going to happen.
- [53:31]
Kathy
She may be the one.
- [53:33]
Susan
Maybe that's what he likes. I can't wait for more episodes to know what turns him.
- [53:41]
Kathy
That's what I'm saying.
- [53:42]
Susan
I feel like sexually, but you know, in all ways, what makes him happy because right now he's going with the flow. His first kiss, I saw him kiss, I was like, ooh, that's kind of when I kissed Gary. I thought, what? That's all you got?
- [53:56]
Kathy
Okay, so for all of you listening, I just got a little summation here before we move on. Let's see. Susan's a princess, wants to be a princess. She's judging how you kiss. She wants to be touched. She wants you to be loyal. But if you, if you're. As long as you touch her, she's not really concerned if you're loyal, apparently. And it's. Oh, and don't forget, bring the passion to the game. We got it right.
- [54:21]
Susan
And have energy. I don't know, I, I'm excited about this season. I really am. I know. Like, I don't know what's going to happen. I don't know who's leaving next. I. Part of me wants to know everything and there's people that know, but I don't want to know. I want it happen.
- [54:39]
Kathy
I will say if I am, if God knows, I tell the truth. There is a part of me that is very envious of what's going on there because I would. I. Oh, first of all, I'm going to take heat for this too.
- [54:55]
Susan
What?
- [54:55]
Kathy
I would take Mel over Gary any day of the week, Monday through Sunday, 365 a year, or you know, pick your time, pick your poison. He, I mean, I think he is a good looking man. I think he's fit. You know, I think he's right now it's a little stiff, but I believe he's going to warm up. And, and I will say, Susan, if he'd met me, there wouldn't be any of these comments about, you know, 40 to 6 year old.
- [55:21]
Susan
Can we go backwards about his shoes? Did you hear what he said?
- [55:24]
Kathy
Oh, he said he has wide feet.
- [55:26]
Susan
The feet hurt, man. And guess what? They weren't that bad. And the style today, you see so many men with sneakers in a suit. I love it, I love it, I love it.
- [55:36]
Kathy
So, so wait, you're. I can't Honestly believe that they spend 10 seconds to talking about his feet. I mean, trust me, if I'm looking at. If I'm looking at Mel, I can assure you I am not looking at his feet. Okay, we're just gonna put that out there. You know, I don't care if he has feet. They're not good for much. You know what I mean? Remember Gary telling us more than once.
- [55:56]
Susan
What the shoe size was.
- [55:57]
Kathy
I was like, seriously, seriously, save it. You know, I am. But I am envious because I would love to do over there again.
- [56:08]
Susan
Listening.
- [56:09]
Kathy
So I want to do over with a guy, a real guy. That's my time.
- [56:14]
Susan
We have a do over.
- [56:16]
Kathy
Yes. Let's. Let's start a campaign out there. And men, if you're listening right in to Bachelor that we need Kathy and.
- [56:23]
Susan
Susan get a chance to do it again or both of us with all men.
- [56:29]
Kathy
There's just one little detail here. Susan, in case any of the listeners are paying attention. You have a man. Remember that. So. So that leaves it to me. Guess what? Guess what? We're down to me.
- [56:42]
Susan
That leaves Kathy.
- [56:43]
Kathy
Kathy and 25 guys. Or. Or Mel, if he didn't choose anyone. I'm available.
- [56:49]
Susan
Keep it golden. We got it. Is it in the dictionary golden? Like is it just the color?
- [56:56]
Kathy
It's a. It's something about. I think if you look it up, something about very expensive metal. But you know, I. I think this is gonna be a great season. I am so excited about next season. I think that these women are really have come with their A game. Some of their A games are not maybe to find Mel but we're going to find out more and they are.
- [57:18]
Susan
In it to win it. You know what? So with that being said.
- [57:22]
Kathy
Yeah.
- [57:23]
Susan
And not wait till next week and. All right, everybody, we want to thank you so much for listening to us and we hope you write in and let us know your thoughts.
- [57:33]
Kathy
Yeah.
- [57:33]
Susan
Make sure to tune in tomorrow for our interview with Jerry. It was perfect.
- [57:39]
Kathy
It was fabulous. And it was hysterical because we were. We couldn't. It was Gary, Jerry. We were having trouble keeping. But she is fabulous. We had so much fun chatting with her. Okay. We cannot wait. I know I can't. To keep watching this season and giving you guys our thoughts. Let us know what you think. We want to hear your thoughts. Tell us what you think about the guys, what you think about Mel, what you think about all these ladies.
- [58:04]
Susan
Absolutely. And we're going to tell you what we think. That's for sure. So listen to Bachelor Happy hours Golden hour on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you listen to your podcast. Until next week.
- [58:15]
Kathy
Have a great week.
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Kathy
You're ready.
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Kathy
This is Rob Gronkowski and Julian Edelman. We invited some familiar friends to hang out with us at the Boston Nut House. Thanks to Duncan, here is a sneak peek at some of the fun Vince.
- [62:07]
Susan
Will fork be all fun like look.
- [62:09]
Kathy
Guys, stop screwing around. We are joined by Matthew Light. Ladies and gentlemen. Braves. You're gonna love him.
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Susan
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Kathy
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- [62:30]
Kathy
Thanks to Duncan for a great time.
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Narrator/Announcer
This is an iHeart podcast.