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Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, that Bachelor Happy Hours Golden Hour. Thanks so much for joining us again, and we're so excited to be back, huh, Kathy?
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So today we have a very special guest joining us, but before we bring him in, Kathy, we have to talk about the new Bachelorette.
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Holy smokes. Taylor, Frankie, Paul, let's talk.
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Well, first of all, I wish I was Mormon now. I mean, really, they're getting everything.
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Well, there is that. Yeah, she's gonna be on, like, two Mormon shows and this show all at once. But. Okay, wait. I have to say, I know there are people that are gonna be like, what? Because, you know, Bachelor has traditionally plucked men and women from obscurity.
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Yes, yes. Like us.
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Like us. And put them on. But you know what? I think because of the nature of reality TV now and the number of dating shows, Bachelor is smart. They decided to completely go a different direction, pulling this young woman who has kids, who's been divorced, who's at 31, has already lived a really rich, varied life, and she's gonna bring with her her million plus followers. People are going to be invested in her and tune in. That's what I.
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And she's on her other reality show. I mean, people do watch that, so they'll come over, right?
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That's what I'm saying. She's got so many followers.
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Just as well. Bachelor will go over.
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Yeah, I think. I think it's a bold move by the Bachelor franchise, but I think it's a great move. I think. I think change is good. I think sometimes people fight change, and, you know, they. People say, we want change. We want change. And then you give them change, and they're like, we want to go back. You know, But I am. I obviously don't know Her?
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She's obviously adorable.
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Oh, yeah.
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I mean, she's adorable, beautiful. And the men coming on. When you have young children, it's a whole different ball game. When you're dating somebody with a child, maybe they've reached out to men that age that might have children as well. I don't know.
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Right. But that's what I'm saying. There's going to be so many facets of this show that I think that are going to be something Bachelor has never done, and I think people are going to tune in in a big way to see how. I can't wait.
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Personally, I hope so. I cannot wait. Yeah, I'm excited.
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I mean, I couldn't have Mel, so maybe. Maybe I can get invested in Taylor and see how her life goes.
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Oh, I just hope we get to meet her live and in person. Yes.
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Okay. Well, we'll see what happens.
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Okay. All right, now it's time to get into today's episode, so let's bring in our guest. Everyone, please welcome, from Bachelor in Paradise and gen season of the Bachelorette, Hakeem. Hi, Hakeem. My little sweetheart. Welcome back to golden hour.
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Hi.
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What up? What up, y'?
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All?
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How you doing?
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So excited to see you.
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Oh, my goodness. The love fest begins.
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I'm telling you, I warned you I wasn't on paradise, but you would not have gone home so soon. There would have been rumors.
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Well, so I can't tell you right now.
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It wouldn't have been no rumors. It would have been a fact to me. You and Susan, I'm gonna tell you that right now.
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We have chemistry like no other.
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I just want to point out that Susan is in a monogamous relationship. I was in paradise dying to meet you. And when you heard I was coming, you went home. That's what happened.
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I heard. Damn. You thought it was my choice.
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How was your experience? I want to hear.
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Tell us about it.
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My experience was short, but it was phenomenal. Honestly, I got.
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Waited a long time. Right. To get. You were one of the first ones.
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It was one of the first people to be announced. So I got my mind right, got my body right. You know, I was trying my best. And I. You know, I was actually really nervous coming into it as well. Really, really nervous. But, like, I was like, I'm gonna be 100 myself. They're gonna love me. They're gonna love me. If they don't like me, they don't like me in a sense. So, like, I went in and did the best that I could.
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Was it what you Expected, Hakeem, Was it when you got there? Was it what you expected or in.
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What kind, in what context do you.
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Feel like, I don't know who was on the beach, what you thought you were gonna get when you got. Obviously, you didn't think you'd go home so soon, but what now, you know.
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Everybody wants the love story. I wanted the love story. I wanted to be able to get on one knee and propose to somebody. So that was always the expectation. I always try to put, you know, I'm always there.
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I was there waiting for you. Hakeem, you just got home. Wait, who? Seriously?
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Playing with me? Don't play with my heart. Don't play with my heart. I'll fly to you right now.
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Who? Who did you want to stay on the beach? Besides me, of course.
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For somebody to be there, and they weren't.
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I mean, they were absolutely on the beach, but she's. She. She's in a relationship.
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Who is she?
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Parisa. She's in a very happy relationship. So, like, I was so excited to meet her, and literally 24 hours afterwards, she's on the beach, you know, so that was a dagger, at least. Wanted my shot to try to just say hi and tell her how much I enjoy her energy and how much I think she'd be great as a girlfriend. Obviously not right away being her girlfriend, but I just. She brings a lot to the table. So, again, like, yeah, she's amazing.
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I never had the opportunity to tell her. Did you ever say anything?
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She wasn't there.
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I never. Outside of the show.
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Outside of the show? No, because before, I saw her at STK Steakhouse for Grant's ending of his season, but I never chatted with her. I actually wanted to keep it very platonic. I mean, I waved at her, and she saw that I saw her and so forth, but I wanted to keep it very platonic before paradise, you know, and so forth. So it doesn't seem like I was trying to get to know her beforehand and all that so forth, but, yeah, I never got to shoot my shot. All good, though. It's not like I said, like, everything happens for a reason. And hopefully she's extremely happy with whatever she's doing, because that's all that matters. But my woman's out there.
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Were you surprised about the $500,000?
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He didn't know when he was there, correct?
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Yeah, the $500,000. I had mixed emotions, to be honest. I was super excited for them because that's a lot of money. That's a lot of money. I got student loans that I got to pay off, and, you know, I'd be very, very happy. But I feel like it just changed the meaning of the show, though, a little bit. Started to be strategic, and I'm like, what the hell we being strategic on a love show for? We trying to get married.
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Hold on, Hakeem, which would you have chosen then? Would you. If you had stayed around and you have coupled up with someone, would you have chosen the money or love and be? And if you couldn't choose both.
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Oh, you couldn't choose.
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I don't know if you can. I don't know.
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But I'm saying no, no, no, for sure. To be honest with you, if I'm going down to the end and I'm getting down on one knee or picking the money, I gotta be honest, I'm probably gonna get down on one knee. Here's the reason why is because, like, you can always earn $500,000, and I put myself in a situation, I'm gonna put myself in my brain to say that I'm going to make that much money in the future, and I can do that, but I'm not going to sacrifice something that might be once in a lifetime. That's the kind of way I look at it.
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Expect that.
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Yeah, but $500,000, a lot of money.
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So wait, my. My brain goes here, okay? If you guys are a couple and you speak about it, we're going to say, I'm choosing the money on tv and I'll see you afterwards. Do you think something like that could happen?
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How? They got cameras on us everywhere. Inside our rooms, outside. You can't. You can't just be like a, you know, like a little wink, like.
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Yeah, but, Hakeem, they can't. When you go home, if you choose the money, they can't stop you from calling up, you know, I mean, I don't know what the rules are, but.
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You know, maybe the rule says if you hook up with that person when you leave, then you have to pay back.
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Wow.
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I don't know. But I wanted that money, too. But if it came down to the end, like, you know, just had to pick, like. I didn't know you had to pick love or the money.
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Wait, is that what you have to do?
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It's all confusing.
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Yeah, I'm confused because that's what they said.
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You made it to the finale. How the hell you confused?
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Because I was. I. What do you mean? Because I, I, I wasn't there for the very end.
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They planted a seed last week. For the coming attractions of. Of this week, coming next week, it's saying, maybe it's the money, maybe it's for love. You may have to make a decision.
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I believe you can have both. But wait, Hakeem, I want to know. Because, you know, money get. It's boring talking about money. I want to know what you thought. I know you didn't get to meet us, but what did you think about Golden Spina on the show?
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Oh, yeah. You. The Goldens as a whole.
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Yeah.
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Saved Bachelor.
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Well, really, let's make it all about me. What did you think about it?
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Let me.
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Let me. Let me say this one more time. As a young block buck that was on the Bachelor in Paradise, without the golden, we wouldn't have the viewership. We wouldn't. Nope. You held it down. Specifically, you. You needed. You. You started a whole trend. Like, yo, I need some tequila, yo, and let me get a bottle of wine. Like, you started a whole trend. We was boring as. I'm sorry. I'm gonna be honest. I'm just gonna be honest with you. You guys held it down. There were stories for days that were true and honest. Stories. Yeah. You had Gary, you had Leslie Finance. You had Kathy up there with Keith, you had Kim, you had April out there cougar hunting. They. You guys brought a. You guys, your energy unmatched. And that's my biggest. Obviously, I wanted to meet Parisa, too, because she's beautiful.
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She is. And no, she's as sweet and kind and smart as she is beautiful.
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And I think she's.
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But when it comes down to you guys, I really was so excited for seeing you guys. And I never got to see you guys. And that literally hurt so much because when I was watching one, obviously I'm watching it back when you guys came through.
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Yeah.
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And everyone was having so much fun. You guys were so lit.
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I was jealous.
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You know what? We came. We came to have fun. That's the difference in our ages.
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All killed it and crushed it. And you looked fire, too, Kathy. Let me tell you that. You look fire out there. How came.
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You are the best. Keep talking. Keep talking. I love it. I love it. Would you do paradise again? Because you didn't.
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Hell, no. Hell, no.
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So when I read somewhere that you crawled back into your shell after filming, is there any truth to that?
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And why crawl back into my shell when it comes?
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What does that mean?
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If I'm going to go on a show, I want it to be very intentional. I feel like in this, like, now that I know, like, there's $500,000 involved with it. It just changes the whole thing because you're going to go into it like, damn, I want the money too. Like going into there, I was going in, I'm thinking like, oh, they're gonna bring, you know, they're gonna bring all these girls because, you know, we talked beforehand. They're gonna bring in like all these girls that we talked about. So then I can really build a connection. But then at the end of the day, you forget it's the TV show too. And they're doing their job by making great TV. And yeah, I'm 31 now. I'm trying to find love. I would go on a TV show, maybe like a competition game show or something that's very intentional to find that person, their person specifically. That's their.
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So why would you go in paradise again?
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I mean, Kathy, come on now. I'm not. I like Kathy, come on now. What you just on this Kathy, like, come on.
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But Kathy got to stay. So it's a different experience.
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He stayed for what, the 500, 000? And then.
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Look at Nancy. She came in.
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Wait a second. I got to clear my name. Keith and I said, and I think that's why the young ones liked us so much because we gave advice and we were friendly and I love, I love all y'. All. But Keith and I had said, and we meant it, we were not taking money out of Youngin's hands. I said on last week's episode, oh, no. We had told them. And we said on the episode, we said, well, it's not that. It's just that at our age, relationships with people is more valuable to us than putting money, more money in the bank. And you guys, you have college loans to pay off. That's what I said about Alex. She has college loans to pay off. You guys want to buy your first house. And that could be a real big jumpstart. So Keith and I were not taking money out of young kids hands. That's not why I stayed. That's not why Keith stayed. So now tell me.
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I'm just poking for my bag.
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I don't know.
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I want to know why Nancy came quickly and left. You were there really quick and left. That has to be a lot because you prepare and you can't wait to get there and have this experience. And then within a second, it's over.
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I think the, the most disappointing part was truthfully that they announced me that early and then like none of the girls that I was expecting to be there was there who else, who else?
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Who else were you expecting? What am I gonna do now? Who else were you expecting?
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I was hoping Parisa. I was hoping JoJo was gonna be there. She's with Sam McKinney. We love that she's with Sam McKinney and all that. Let's see, who else, who else, who else? Honestly, I was really looking forward to getting to know those two girls. And whoever came, came. Also Olivia Lewis. I mentioned her way beforehand too, after our men tell all and all that good stuff. But yeah, I mean, I'm not a person that's gonna force it, you know, I did it. I loved it. I Bachelorette was amazing and all that.
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Well, wait a minute. Do you believe you can find love in paradise?
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Oh, yeah.
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You see Grocery Store Joe, and so I'm saying. And I'm so I'm asking you why, if you believe in love, you want to find love, why wouldn't you do paradise again?
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Well, Grocery Store Joe didn't have to choose between $500,000 and love, you know, so that was a whole different dynamic than, so like, I can take a girl down all the way to the final and then she can say, I actually want the money. So you kind of just fire. You're playing with fire at this point because now people are going to go on the show for money too. So, like, that's why I wouldn't want to do it because I know I'm an empath and I know I'm going to be hurt. And like, for me, like, yeah, like that's gonna. Yeah, I've been heartbroken before and it's taken me a long time and especially if I'm going to be engaged with somebody. I don't. I have never felt that type of heartbreak before. And I empathize for all the men and women who have, but like, I could never put myself in a situation that you don't.
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Listen, I can solve this for you.
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What's up?
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I can solve this. You go on paradise again. If they ask you, you find the girl, you fall in love. If you don't win the money and she wants the money, Susan will just send her a check for 500k. You get the money, you get the money out.
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This. Is this new? For their every paradise, they're going to have money?
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Who knows?
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I don't know.
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It might be something they just tried once. Who knows?
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Yeah.
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What did you Think about the new way the show was narrated and the way they did things.
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I mean, I'm not hating or nothing like that. I just think, personally, for Hakeem, I don't think I can make that. I don't know if I'll be able to be that vulnerable that I would have to trust that someone's gonna pick me over 500, 000, because I know myself, right? If I find somebody that's gonna marry me, who's gonna have my children, all those things, I'm going to do whatever I can. I'm gonna die head first in that. And I can't have the same expectation that someone's gonna have the same type of mindset. And that's why I would rather. I mean, if I have to have trust. Oh, yeah, for sure.
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Chances. For sure.
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But how normal is it that somebody has to choose 500k over you? It's not a normal situation that you're going to see every day. So, like, that's the ultimate test, right? But, like, yeah. So, like, for me, I will. I don't. I don't blame anybody who would want to take 500k, but I don't want it to be at the expense of.
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My heart to break somebody's heart. I hope it doesn't happen.
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Yeah, for sure. But it can happen.
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Talk about hate mail.
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Yeah.
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So, wait, are you dating anyone? Hakeem, Now?
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Well, I'm looking forward to dating. I'm still not. But, I mean, I'm dating. I'm trying to. I'm, like, I'm looking around, I'm chatting. I'm not actively searching. I'm just focusing on myself. Because if I'm not 100 in tip top shape, then how am I gonna be able to take care of my lady?
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Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. What kind of shape? What are you talking about? Mental. What kind of shape are we?
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Yeah, emotionally, I think I have to do better with my emotional regulation. I think that's my last, like, hurdle that, like, I need to learn how to just let things go and not, you know, you don't have to say stuff, you know? And I feel like with that, I feel like there's a lot of things with me because I'm a very emotional dude. I wear my heart on my sleeve. All those twins.
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We've said this before. Oh, my God, you're talking my language.
F
No, for sure. So, like, I just don't take care of myself in relationships. I make sure to take care of my partner in tenfold and Then I don't have anything for me. So I gotta love myself. I don't think I say I love myself. I say I'm confident. Yeah, I think I'm a good looking dude. But, like, do I truly love myself? How much that I love other people? Because I love other people. Because I seek that validation that they need me, they want me, they love me too. Instead of just saying, I'm gonna do this because I love them. Done.
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Even if it's almost there, baby. Because if you're able to say what you just said, said, and you realize this, you're almost there.
F
Do love yourself.
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Now tell me about this model thing.
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Model.
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Modeling career.
F
Modeling career. Modeling career.
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You thought female right away, a model.
F
Hold on. Y' all finna send me out with a model? Yeah, I. I walked at San Diego swim week as you probably.
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I saw that thing that you wore. It was bizarre.
F
I mean, I would say it was different. Different. I wouldn't wear it. Probably none of that, because I'm not. I don't got the. The swag like that.
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But how did you feel? How did you feel?
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It was liberating because they had me there and they were like, hakeem, just be yourself. We. Because I knew going into this, I'm like, guys, I'm not your, you know, your. Your average, you know, Runway model. That's like. And all that. So they let me be me. I was out there hitting the quan. I was cranking that. Everybody was enjoying it. But I can tell, like, the modeling coordinator was, like, a little bit embarrassed. She was like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. But, dude, the. The designers, the audience, they were loving.
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How did that come about? How did they reach out to you? How did that come about?
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Yeah, they reached out to me as an ambassador, and I was like, you know, what do y' all need somebody that can walk? And then you're like, you know what? Yeah, we got you. We got you. So then they pulled a little strings, got me in there. Aaron Bryant was there too. Brandon Jones as well, from. Brandon Jones from Michelle season. So, yeah, it was. It. It was. It was a great opportunity. I'm gonna be doing another one for charity as well, so I'm excited for.
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That, you know, that's so fun.
F
Yeah, it's.
E
You know what? Put it out there. Maybe Ms. Wright will come and, you know, just check you out.
F
Nah, you don't want to do that. I want it to be so organic that I'm, like, just taken by surprise. Like, yo, like, where did you come from? Like, you know what I mean? Like, where have you been? Because I throw it out there, Hakeem's gonna be here and all that. Like, first of all, I'm a nobody. Like, I'm not Michael.
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Doesn't matter.
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Susan, What I'm saying, though, is, is that, like, in situations like this, I want to just run into my woman without it having to be tried. Like, I don't want to have to feel like I'm trying to find her. Because every person that I've talked with that's in a happy relationship is. Happens when you're not looking.
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Amen.
F
That's the story every single time. You're not looking for it, and then it just happens. So I'm trusting that I'm going to just keep doing my thing. I'm going to work on myself. I'm going to try to put good into the world, and then she will hopefully.
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All right.
F
And bless me.
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All right, so what. What are you. What are you thinking for the rest of this world? What do you. The rest of this world? Yeah, the rest of this world. The rest of this year. What are you manifesting for yourself? What? Obviously, Ms. Wright's going to compound your door down, your front door down, but what else?
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She might tiptoe in.
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She might.
F
She might tiptoe in.
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She might just. She might meow at the back door.
F
What else do I have? I'm walking in another show. I'm also going to be going to Vegas for this. An event. I'm gonna go with Brandon. Brandon's the man. Brandon from Michelle season, Brandon Jones. Like, he's kind of became, like, one of my close friends. Like, one of them very close. And he's just hooking me up because, you know, because he's Brandon Jones. So I'm just, you know, I'm just there just, you know, having fun there for that event.
A
So what's the event in Vegas?
F
It's called Rise, I think.
A
Okay.
F
It's called Rise. I'm not sure if, you know, I'm. I really don't be outside like that. I'm really in the crib watching tv. So, like, if I get. If I get invited something, I'm like, all right, it. You want me to go to Vegas? It. I'll do it.
E
Just remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Hakeem.
F
Hell yeah, girl. Say that.
A
Say that.
E
Oh, my God. All right, we gotta move. We are gonna move into our topic of the day because you were.
F
Wait, wait, I have one more thing.
E
Oh, God.
F
I'm gonna hear transplant What? I'm dead ass. I'm getting. I'm going to Turkey and I'm getting a hair transfer.
A
We just got back from Turkey.
F
Who wants Turkey?
E
Susan.
A
What?
E
We invited you, but you didn't answer the call when we called, so we had to leave without you.
F
You didn't. You don't even have my digits. You know, you're not. You really.
E
You really. I can get your digits. Trust me.
F
Why don't you. I ain't even. Do something with it then.
A
So you're going to do it? Yes.
F
Do what?
E
The hair transplant.
A
Hell, yeah.
F
You're gonna see me. I'm gonna have a fresh cut. I'm gonna have a forehead. Like, it's so small. My forehead is about five in them, so I got a five head. So when I'm gonna have that line to go down, have, my line is so crisp, nobody's gonna be able to say nut.
A
Okay. Why Turkey? A couple of my clients did it. One just.
E
Istanbul is supposed to be.
A
And he did it in Florida.
E
Istanbul is supposed to be the place for.
F
He got money. Money. He doing it in Florida. He doing it in the States. He got money. Money. All right, sorry.
A
Well, if you need a nurse to take care of you afterward, Kathy and I, we know all about Istanbul.
F
Oh, I think I need somebody to take care of me right now.
E
Literally. Keep your shirt on. All right, we are moving into our topic of the day before this degenerates any further. All right, Hakeem, what do you find to be more romantic? I already know the answer to this, but I'm gonna ask anyway. Grand gestures or small, everyday things?
F
And why small everyday gestures or grand gestures?
E
Which.
F
No, everyday small gestures. Not grand gestures. Yeah, so I don't think. I don't need all the grand stuff and all that. I want you to do things to let me know that you're thinking about me. It doesn't have to be. You're taking me to Nobu to get some sushi. Like, if you're just making my life easier. If I got to go to work and you see, I'm in the shower and my clothes aren't. You know, my clothes are crinkled. And you're like, here, let me take care of this real quick for you. Or let me start the coffee for you real quick. That makes me think that, oh, yeah, she cares about my well being and, like, how I am feeling. Feeling at this moment. Not just trying to get this grand gesture to be like, oh, wow, you did such a great thing, like, blah, blah, blah, Blah. But she's.
A
Actually, that's where I love language, so to speak. Remember we talked about love languages?
E
Yeah. No, that's exactly your love life. We're all the same. I would much rather have a small gesture.
F
Absolutely.
E
For exactly the same reason I came. Just, they're thinking about me. They care about my welfare. Just that small thing of turning on the coffee. They care.
F
Yeah, absolutely. Are you. Coffee.
A
Bringing the coffee to me is caring.
F
Bringing the coffee, you. Right.
A
I am such a delight when that happens. And it's not often, but sure. Over the times that I've been out and when someone does that, it's like, oh, my God, that's. I do it for people all the time.
F
Does your man do it for you right now?
A
Well, he doesn't live in the States, so.
F
Pardon me, where does he live?
A
He lives in. In Saint Martin.
E
The Saint Martin French West Indies.
F
Oh, oh, Caribbean. Yeah.
E
Never heard of it.
A
Actually. I always get up first, though. Yeah.
F
Hold on. You dating a brother? Okay. Because, you know, Caribbean, I was like, hold on.
A
Yeah, no, he's.
E
He's from French. From France. Saint Martin has two sides, a Dutch side and a French side.
F
Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. That's interesting.
A
But I love your love language. And, Kathy, you. You like the small gestures, too? For me, it's about attention and physical touch. Like when I'm in the room and you just, you know, touch me. I'm a touchy person.
E
I am, too.
A
And everybody, like, I want all four of the love languages.
E
Yeah. That's when they always say, what you're.
A
Taking a long time to learn that. My partner didn't necessarily have the same love language as I did. And I never knew that. I always assumed what I, like, I would do for them, but that's not their love language. You know, it took me a long time to.
F
Yeah, no, for sure. It's taken a lot of failed relationships for myself to realize that even my communication style isn't the way other people want to be communicated to as well. So. Yeah, no, totally. For sure with that. Kathy, what is your thoughts? Are you a physical touch person, too?
E
Like, very touchy.
F
So if I'm sleepy. Oh, go ahead.
A
Some people like gifts. You know, I buy gifts, but I don't necessarily need the gifts. I just need the attention.
E
I'm the same. My thing is, I like the small gestures. I mean, you want to bring me a Porsche, I'm not going to turn it down. But that's not my goal. But yeah, just the. And I'm very much a. It's honestly, Hakim. It's got me into trouble sometimes with men who I'm not. I'm just. I'm a touchy person. But. Yeah, they misread that.
F
No, I get it. I totally understand that if someone is just laying down, right. I wake up in the middle of night and I just need to touch you just to.
E
Yeah.
F
I don't know. How do you feel about that? Is that weird? Do you feel like.
A
Because, you know, they're. They're wanting to be there.
E
No. We had a question earlier, Hakeem, about. On another podcast about sleeping in separate beds. I was like, no, I like to put my cold feet on your back and stay warm.
A
He has sleep apnea. I got my own room. I'm sorry.
F
You ain't.
E
You ain't.
F
Oh, you are, really.
A
And a machine and all that.
E
They don't. Hey, Susan. They've come a long way. They now have little things they implant.
A
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All right, again let we're going to move on here to our advice portrait. You're going to give some advice. Hakeem are ready. All right, we're going to ask a question and you're just going to tell us what you think. All right, here we go. This question is from Zach. He's 28 from Short Hills, New Jersey. Hi Kathy and Susan. My mom listens to your podcast and she is also having trouble helping me with this situation so she told me to write in I've been dating my girlfriend for about five months now and this is actually my first real relationship. Overall, I'm really happy and honestly just excited to have found someone I connect with. The only problem is my best friend, who also happens to be my roommate, doesn't like her. He's constantly pushing for quote guys nights where she isn't invited and he makes me feel guilty if I choose to spend time with her or have her sleepover. When I asked him why he feels this way, he told me he thinks she has quote controlling vibes and that she's not the right person for me that this has been tough because he and I have been close since we were little kids and I really value his opinion. At the same time, I care about my girlfriend and just want him to be happy for me. I'm stuck between wanting to honor a lifelong friendship and also wanting to explore this New relationship. How do I balance both without losing one or the other?
F
How old does he say he's? 27? 28.
A
28, 28.
F
He a grown ass man talking about he want him to come over for boys night. If you trying to get to know a woman and you telling him he's. And he should feel guilty because he's spending time. He's tripping, his friend is tripping. If that's really. Yeah.
E
Facts.
F
I'll be damn if one of my homies is like, man, you know, you gotta. You know, you gotta. You gotta make time for us, you know, And I think she's super controlling. Like, I know what I'm getting myself into as well. Right? I can stand on business and so forth and so forth. I don't need another person telling me that. Yo, like, we don't want you dating this person. So, Zach, you need to just go follow through with this. You know what I mean? So, like, in this whole situation, you're not in the wrong. There's nothing for you to balance. I think the only thing that needs to balance something is your homie. He needs to balance the fact that he needs to know that his friend is still his friend, but he's exploring a connection. So you gotta.
E
But does he say it? But, Hakeem, does he come out and say it to his friend? Because remember, this is Zach's first real relationship. So he's probably, you know, a little unnerved by the whole thing. And he doesn't want to lose his childhood friend. And he's probably. I mean, you know, you're a man about the world, you've been out and about, but this guy has never dated. And this is first relationship he doesn't want to lose. So what's he going to do? How's he going to keep them both?
A
Let me add something to that before you answer it, Hakeem. And I agree with what you said, but I try to keep an open mind. What if, because it is his first real relationship, he's got his blinders on.
E
And he's going to learn the hard way is the answer.
A
And his roommate sees it like it could be.
E
It could be, but he's going to learn. He's got to learn his own lesson.
A
But he has to learn on his own. I think the roommate's jealousy is going to lose a roommate.
F
I truly just think that in that situation, he just is jealous one or b, just bored. Because some of the time that he was getting with Zach is now being invested into a woman that doesn't like, as well. And truthfully, it's no one's business if she. If he has his blinders on or not. In my point of view, I think in the. In this grand scheme of everything, if he's happy in that relationship, and that is your best friend from childhood, you want him to augment his. His happiness. So. And if she's doing that, like, why would you be upset with that? And if that person stops being your friend, that wasn't your friend.
E
Okay, but I'm going to.
F
I got to ask you, do me, devil's advocate.
E
I know I'm not. I totally agree with you, but what you're not saying is how does he handle the situation? He goes to his friend and says, hey, homie, Fill in the blank. What does he say?
A
Homie, Chill out. Back up. Stay in your lane.
E
She's talking to his roommate.
A
What is wrong with you being a Cath? The roommate is being a.
F
Honestly, when it comes down to it, he should just say to him, like, hey, like, I know you're feeling some type of way about this whole situation. I know you're not a big fan of my current girlfriend, but, hey, this is my first relationship ever, and I'm feeling great in this relationship. And I know you're not a big fan of her, but right now, unfortunately, like, I feel like I want to keep progressing things, and I want you to be a part of that. So, like, be happy. Happy for me. Exactly. Okay. That. Out there in the space.
E
I love it.
A
Jack, I hope you heard us.
E
Yeah, and if it. Listen, and Hakeem, if modeling doesn't work out or whatever else you're doing, you could become a therapist for young stupid boys.
F
Therapist. That's hilarious. Therapist.
A
That would be me.
F
My role.
A
I.
F
Like, I could be a coach. I could be a coach in a sense, like. Yeah, just a life coach. And just, like, I'm worried about things that actually matter. I think we worry about things that don't matter so much more.
A
You know, sweat the small stuff. No way.
E
All right. How came we. We've asked you a lot of questions. Do you have anything you want to ask us? You know, we. We know you better. Do you want to know? What do you want to know? Open the floor. What do you. What do you.
F
Yeah.
E
Are you dating right now?
F
Kathy, what's going on?
E
Oh, just stab me. Just stab me. Stab me.
F
You asked me, too.
A
She makes friends.
E
I. I would love to be dating, but I'm not. But if you know someone.
F
Kathy, you are fine. Don't don't do that. Don't make it sound like you know somebody. There's men out there that. They see you and they were like, damn, she's tough. Like, they want to talk to her. So, like, don't do that.
A
They do. And it just so happens that that's not her person. Right, Kathy, there's somebody trying to get her right now.
F
And. And right now. No, at this moment, they're listening to your podcast.
E
No, listen, he's a nice guy. He and I are on separate. Politically, we're not aligned. There's nothing. Huh.
A
The man that.
E
The guy that's in that would like to date me. We are not politically aligned. We're not. We don't like to do the same things. I mean, okay, you know, he said to me, you're beautiful. I want to date you. Well, there's, you know, thank you. But, you know, have a spark. I don't. I don't have a spark for him. I would love. I have a friend spark for him. I would love to find someone to date, but it's not as easy. Hakeem, here's the thing. Women reach out to men from Golden Bachelor and. And Golden Bachelorette. The. The men get reached out to. Because women are social media guys in their 60s. They are not on social media for the most part. And they don't know how to. They don't have.
A
Birds are.
E
But, yeah, fair enough. So I got a problem. So if you can solve that for me, I'd be. I'd be. I'd be.
F
I'd be very more than happy to be a liaison for you. Like, I can absolutely do that. Be the middleman for you, because that's going to be easy money. Easy money. So you have non negotiables, clearly, we see here. What else are your other non negotiables for you that you're like, I actually.
E
Have very few non negotiables. I want. I want a guy that will travel with me. I want a guy that will make me laugh. You know, everyone says I'm so funny, and I make them laugh. I want something that makes me laugh. I want to have fun with someone. I would. You know, he's got to understand that I'm not a great cook. Like, I'm not gonna sit there and.
A
Not a great cook. Kathy, I can cook.
E
I can cook. I don't wanna cook.
A
Kathy does not cook.
E
I want somebody to say.
A
Let'S be real.
E
I can cook. I can cook.
F
Yo.
E
I want somebody fit. I want somebody.
A
She could play golf and she's super, super smart. She'll figure out anything. She'll write you a letter, an email. I mean, brilliant. But when it comes to the kitchen, I don't look.
E
I just. Okay, so I want somebody who likes adventure, who's fit. I'm not looking. I want. Here's the problem, Hakeem. And I'm just. Then. And then we're going to put this whole podcast to rest. I am 72 years old, but I have the energy. All my friends are in their 40s and 50s, and they can't keep up with me. So there's a big disconnect there. Guys want, you know, it's. It's. It's.
A
They're worried about the number. Yeah, right.
F
Wait, so then for the energy wise, are you meaning like your sex drive or just meaning like going out wise or physically?
E
Physically, Physically. I'm in great shape. You know, all of it. I have energy for everything and.
F
Got it.
E
You know, men look at the number.
A
And go, no, she says, your famous line, I don't want a used to guy.
E
I don't want a used to guy. You know what a used to guy is? Hakima Used to guy. He used to play tennis, he used to ski, he used to travel, and now he sits his ass on the sofa. That's absolutely nothing.
F
Got it. Got it. Definitely understood. But I think the age is nothing but a number. Truthful. I'm being honest with you. You see, she's phenomenal. She's. She's. She's not real. She's not real.
E
That's what people are gonna say about me.
A
My idol.
F
You are literally beautiful.
E
Oh, yeah.
F
Basically. Basically, what I'm saying. You are literally phenomenal.
E
Thank you.
F
Inwardly and outwardly, you are literally gorgeous.
E
You gotta think for Susan. So I don't know what to say.
A
It's just chemistry, Kathy. You can't make that up.
F
Yeah. I mean, Susan is like. Susan and I is just. Yeah, it was instant.
A
The day I met you, it was like, wow, a stiff breeze could hurt my feelings at times. People's negative comments on my Instagram accounts, like, why did they say that? Why are you so mean to me?
F
And also, Kathy, truthfully, I have a huge crush on Kris Jenner as well. And Sue's Susan is literally like, excuse.
E
Me, have you seen Kris Jenner lately? They look nothing alike anymore. Have.
A
Seriously, she's gorgeous.
D
She looks like she's 40 years old.
E
They don't look alike anymore. I'm serious. Oh, I love you, Susan. That ships.
A
All I need is like cheek implants or something. But I love Chris.
F
Yeah, she's gorgeous.
E
She is. Okay.
F
She is gorgeous. What's up? You got. Are you kicking me out?
E
Damn, it's about time. Here. It's. And I just want to say, Hakeem.
F
Yeah.
E
After we get off this podcast, you better get. Before you crawl in her shirt, you better go find me a guy. Okay.
F
Okay.
A
With that being said, that does it for this episode of Bachelor Happy Hours Golden Hour.
E
Thank you all. Thank you, Hakeem. Thank you all for joining us. And be sure to follow Bachelor Happy Hour as we have new episodes coming out every week and you don't want to miss even one.
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And we promise each and every one of you, we will have him back on here again. Make sure to submit your questions to us and you can go to bachelornation.com golden hour or you can hit us up on social at Bachelor Happy Hour.
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Episode: Hakeem’s Self-Love Journey
Date: September 17, 2025
Hosts: Kathy & Susan (with guest Hakeem, Bachelor in Paradise & Bachelorette alum)
This episode of Bachelor Happy Hour centers around a candid conversation with Hakeem, former contestant on Bachelor in Paradise and The Bachelorette. The hosts, Kathy and Susan, explore Hakeem's brief experience on the show, his views on the evolving dynamics of reality dating (including the new $500,000 prize twist), his journey towards emotional maturity and self-love, his modeling adventures, and provide heartfelt relationship advice for a listener. The tone is playful, honest, and supportive, offering both behind-the-scenes insights and personal revelations.
“Bachelor is smart. They decided to completely go a different direction, pulling this young woman who has kids, who's been divorced, who's at 31 already lived a really rich, varied life, and she's gonna bring with her her million plus followers.” (04:19)
On the $500K Twist:
“You can always earn $500,000 ... but I'm not going to sacrifice something that might be once in a lifetime.”
— Hakeem (10:23)
On the Golden Cast:
"You held it down. Specifically, you. ...You guys, your energy unmatched..."
— Hakeem to Kathy & Susan (13:43)
On Self-Love:
"I make sure to take care of my partner in tenfold and then I don't have anything for me. So I gotta love myself..."
— Hakeem (26:14)
On Romantic Gestures:
"It doesn’t have to be you’re taking me to Nobu … If you’re just making my life easier.... That makes me think that, oh, yeah, she cares about my well-being."
— Hakeem (33:02)
On Dating & Friendship Conflict:
"There's nothing for you to balance. I think the only thing that needs to balance something is your homie. ...if he's happy in that relationship, and that is your best friend from childhood, you want him to augment his happiness."
— Hakeem (44:24)
Playful Moment - Hair Transplant:
“I'm going to Turkey and I'm getting a hair transplant.”
— Hakeem (30:58)
Energetic, honest, and full of Bachelor Nation personality, this episode is a refreshingly real mix of humor, heart, and wisdom for anyone navigating love—on a TV show or off.