Jess & Spencer Part 1: Wedding Plans, ‘Paradise’ Breakups, and Life Together | Golden Hour

Summary

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Bachelor Happy Hour – Jess & Spencer Part 1: Wedding Plans, ‘Paradise’ Breakups, and Life Together

Release Date: February 26, 2026
Hosts: Susan, Charity Lawson, Rachel Recchia
Guests: Jess and Spencer (Bachelor in Paradise alumni)

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Episode Overview

This engaging Golden Hour episode brings fan-favorite couple Jess and Spencer from Bachelor in Paradise for their first in-depth chat post-show. The discussion dives into their recent move to Dallas, integrating their lives and pets, future wedding plans, navigating relationship hurdles, and inside takes on Bachelor Nation drama, including ‘Paradise’ breakups. The conversation is candid, humorous, and full of warm chemistry, offering meaningful glimpses into their lives as a couple newly adjusting to life together outside the reality TV spotlight.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Settling Down Together in Dallas

• The Move

  • Jess describes the “double move” from San Diego to Dallas due to overlapping leases, storing belongings, and finally moving into a new townhouse in early January.
    • “It was chaos…not only did I have to move all my things from San Diego…I basically had to double move…” (04:51 – Jess)
  • They’re living in a large townhouse—Jess jokes about getting her steps in on the stairs (05:30).
  • They’re currently renting, not buying (05:40).

• Integrating Dogs into the Relationship

  • Each brought a dog; initial adjustment was required, but now the dogs get along well (06:03).
  • Spencer occasionally wrangles “the talkative one” during the interview, adding comic relief (06:08).

• Adjusting to Life Together

  • Both express relief at finally living “normally” after long-distance and constant travel (“so fun to just be normal,” 08:27–Jess; “much better than it was…having distance is tough,” 07:59–Spencer).
  • Jess admits she enjoys the “playing house” feeling and creating new routines (08:33).

Building Their Relationship

• San Diego vs. Dallas

  • Jess loves being closer to her Tennessee family but misses the beach a little. Spencer has lived in Dallas since 2011 (09:15).
  • “[Dallas is] only positives for me.” – Jess (09:26)

• Making Home Together

  • Major furniture purchases and “thrifty” shopping on Facebook Marketplace. Spencer notes, “We’ve been thrifty…best purchase, £320 for that coffee table” (23:36–24:12).

• Routine, Chores & Cooking

  • Spencer cooks most of the time, often making “bowls” with steak, potatoes, and eggs in a “salad bowl-sized” dish (31:32–Jess, 32:03–Susan), revealing his nutritional discipline.
  • Groceries are much cheaper in Texas compared to California, which Jess finds amazing (32:16).

Engagement & Family Support

• On Getting Engaged

  • Spencer insisted on talking to both Jess’s parents before proposing:
    • “If I don’t get to talk to him [her dad], then I’m not doing it.” (11:15–Spencer)
  • Jess’s parents’ support and trust were meaningful:
    • “We trust your instincts…we support you 100.” (13:39–Jess)
  • Both share how meaningful it is to have families backing their relationship (14:11).
  • Warm moment: “That’s my man.” (14:12–Jess)

• Building a Social Circle

  • Jess appreciates Spencer’s close-knit friend group and their “amazing wives.” She values his selectivity with friendships (21:13).
    • “This is the kindest man I’ve ever met…he’s very particular on who he calls a friend.” (21:13–Jess)

Wedding Plans & Future Hopes

• Planning the Wedding

  • No firm plans yet; they want to enjoy “normal life” first and only started living together a month ago (25:04–Jess; 25:37–Spencer).
  • Likely to wait until it’s been a year since their engagement to start planning, possibly a wedding in Tennessee for family convenience and scenic reasons (34:50–Jess).

• Wedding Details ("Non-Negotiables")

  • Jess definitely wants both their dogs included in the ceremony; Spencer’s pet business makes this a “must” (39:57–40:09).
  • Jess intends to stand on her “good side” (the right), flipping the traditional wedding photo layout (33:54–34:17).
  • Undecided on wedding party size; possibly small, intimate, or destination-style (34:27–35:13).
  • Planning to have close Bachelor Nation friends involved (e.g., Leia as a bridesmaid, 41:26).

• Financial Planning

  • Prize money from Paradise has mostly been saved or used for practical purposes (student loans, furniture, future home down payment) (23:28–24:43).

Personal Growth & 2026 Goals

• Relationship Growth & Traditions

  • Both look forward to “first” milestones—birthdays, holidays, and building traditions (42:24–Jess).

• Travel and Adventures

  • Teaming up for trips (surprising their moms, travel to Greece/Italy/South Korea, attending the Bachelor Nation Cruise) (43:10–44:17).
  • Both express excitement for new adventures as a couple (43:06–Jess).

• Fitness and Marathons

  • Spencer is training for the Chicago marathon (for Autism Speaks), with Jess supporting from the sidelines (45:02–45:21).
  • Spencer is an ultramarathon runner; humorous moments about Jess’s dislike for running and her being the last one up in Paradise mornings (45:57–47:55).

Bachelor Nation Insights & “Paradise” Tea

• Returning to Paradise?

  • Both would like to visit and give couple’s advice to new participants (48:43–48:58).
  • Uncertain if the new "money twist" on Paradise could be repeated without changing the dynamic too much (49:06–49:52).

• On Dale and Kat’s Breakup (Post-Show)

  • Jess shares Kat’s side: Dale wasn’t putting time and effort in post-show, leading to their breakup (50:39–51:31).
  • Jess adds diplomatically, “She wasn’t being treated the way that she deserved…if you’re not able to put time into someone, it’s not going to work out.” (51:28–51:58)

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• Moving in together:
  • “It was chaos…I basically had to double move.” (04:51–Jess)
• On meeting families for engagement:
  • “If I don’t get to talk to him [her dad], then I’m not doing it.” (11:15–Spencer)
• Parental blessing:
  • “We trust your instincts…if you feel like this is your man…we support you 100.” (13:39–Jess)
• Home life:
  • “It’s been so fun to just be normal.” (08:27–Jess)
• Dog wedding roles:
  • "That's bad for business if we don't have pets at the wedding." (40:06–Spencer)
• Wedding photo priorities:
  • "I'm going to stand on the right side. I'm not going to settle for hating every single one of my wedding pictures because my right side is the one I love." (34:12–Jess)
• Paradise advice:
  • “I would like to see us show back up and give some couple advice.” (48:43–Jess)
• On breakups:
  • "She wasn't being treated the way that she deserved…and like if you're not able to put time into someone, it's not going to work out." (51:28–Jess)

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Notable Timestamps for Key Segments

• [04:51] – Jess describes the “double move” and setting up home
• [07:59] – Spencer on the challenges of distance and relief of life together
• [09:15] – Discussion about making Dallas home
• [10:27] – Spencer’s efforts to talk to Jess’s parents before engagement
• [13:39] – Parental support story
• [23:36] – Facebook Marketplace shopping/furniture hunt
• [24:12–24:43] – What they’re doing with the Paradise prize money
• [25:04–25:37] – Wedding planning status
• [33:54–34:17] – Jess on standing on her “good side” for wedding photos
• [39:57–40:09] – The dogs will be part of the wedding
• [42:24] – What they hope for in 2026 (personal growth, adventures)
• [43:10–44:17] – Travel plans, Bachelor Nation Cruise
• [45:02–45:21] – Spencer running the Chicago Marathon for Autism Speaks
• [48:43–48:58] – Jess: “I would like to see us show back up and give some couple advice.”
• [50:39–51:58] – Jess on Dale & Kat’s breakup and advice about making time for relationships

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Tone & Atmosphere

The episode is warm, natural, and playful, lifted by easy banter, affectionate teasing, and heartfelt reflection. Susan and the hosts bring out Jess and Spencer’s genuine connection while keeping things relaxed and laughter-filled. The couple shares openly, offering both practical and emotional insights into building a life together after reality TV. There’s a spirit of gratitude, mutual admiration, and gentle humor throughout.

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End of Part 1. Part 2 with more Jess and Spencer will be released later in the week.

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Transcript

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[Spencer]

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[Host Susan]

Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hours Golden Hour. Thanks so much for joining us today. We are so excited to be back because we have very special guests. But first, Susan, tell me, how are you doing, my dear? Are you still freezing to death?

[Jess]

Excellent.

[Susan]

I'm getting ready to leave the cold and going to the island.

[Host Susan]

It's really been cold where you are.

[Susan]

It was like nine degrees last night.

[Host Susan]

It's.

[Susan]

The snow will not melt. It's like a brick.

[Host Susan]

Can I tell you what my temperature here today is?

[Susan]

85.

[Host Susan]

85. All right. We're going to the 80s.

[Susan]

With that being said, we do have two very special guests. Actually, they were my favorites from Bachelor in Paradise. Jess and Spencer are here with us today. Welcome, guys.

[Narrator]

Hello.

[Susan]

We finally get to chat.

[Jess]

Oh, it's been a long time coming there.

[Host Susan]

I can't even. First of all, you've matched perfectly your colors, your blue. Was that purposely.

[Jess]

We did not even.

[Spencer]

We didn't even coordinate it.

[Jess]

Yeah, we didn't even plan that. That's just.

[Spencer]

I'm actually now just noticing how much of a match it is.

[Host Susan]

I just tell you that they. And you've got your two dogs there. I mean, you guys are just living the life, aren't you?

[Jess]

We honestly are.

[Host Susan]

All right.

[Susan]

There's so many questions we haven't started.

[Host Susan]

All right, we're going to dive right in. We were going to do some small talk here, but honestly, I, I, you know me, I need answers. Jess and Spencer, I need answers.

[Jess]

I can't wait for you to just go down that checkl first.

[Susan]

Start in Dallas proper. Are you in one of the suburbias?

[Spencer]

It's Dallas proper. Like Greenville Street.

[Susan]

I lived in Arlington.

[Spencer]

Oh, nice.

[Host Susan]

Greenville is a street, right?

[Spencer]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host Susan]

Greenville in Dallas. Okay, wait, I have a question. I want to know about the move. Let's back up. Talk to us about the move. And then we're.

[Jess]

It was chaos. It was honestly a lot because not only did I have to move all of my things from San Diego, I, like, basically had to double move because his lease wasn't up. So they came and got all of my things, and they were holding it in storage. And then I just loaded up everything I could fit in my car, and it was just kind of chilling in his little apartment for a little bit. And then at the beginning of January, we finally moved into our new place together with all of our things and both of our dogs. So it was. It was a little bit of a double move for me, but.

[Host Susan]

Are you in an apartment? A house? Where are you actually living?

[Spencer]

Townhouse.

[Jess]

Yeah, we're in a little townhouse. Actually, it's not little. It's honestly huge. I get my steps in every single day now. Because we have flights of stairs.

[Host Susan]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

And it's really tall ceiling, so that

[Host Susan]

means buy it or rent it.

[Spencer]

Ren.

[Jess]

Okay, our dog is going crazy right now.

[Anna Sinfield]

I'm so sorry.

[Host Susan]

We can't hear a thing. But you know what? I do. As I said before you came on, you know, with dogs, you can put them out in the backyard, lock them in a closet. Kids, not so much.

[Susan]

So you brought a dog to the relationship and he had a dog. Right. So now we have two.

[Jess]

Now we have two.

[Susan]

And how is that?

[Jess]

It's.

[Spencer]

It's been really good. I mean, she's very talkative right now, so I'm gonna go put her upstairs real quick. He's gonna take over real quick.

[Jess]

Are you sure?

[Spencer]

Yeah.

[Jess]

Okay. Oh, my God. I'm so sorry.

[Susan]

So did they get along right away?

[Jess]

It's just the girls now. They do. It was definitely a little bit of a learning curve because my dog Charlie is used to other dogs, like big dogs and.

[Host Susan]

Okay, wait, wait while he's gone. Wait, while Spencer's gone. Yeah, forget the dogs. We can get back to that when he comes back. What is it like living with him? What's his worst hab on? Give us some good scoopy.

[Jess]

You know what? That's so funny. He actually is so clean. I will say he has very stinky running shoes. Those downstairs. Those. Those don't go in the upstairs closet. They stay downstairs. And he's so funny. He will, like, I'll do the dishes and then he'll unload them, and then he'll leave the cabinet doors open. Oh, very interesting. It really doesn't bother me, but it's been hilarious because I'll walk in, easy access put up. And I know because the cabinets are open

[Spencer]

and I'm opening cabinets. I'm putting things away.

[Jess]

We're a little ADHD around here, but.

[Host Susan]

Okay, so wait, I want to know what is the most. Cuz when we were on paradise and you know, you talked about movie, that you were wanting to move in together pretty quickly. And I cannot tell everyone how what a fabulous couple you two are. You're just. I've been so excited, but I want to know what is it like now you're living together. You really are integrating your lives. What is it really like, it's so

[Spencer]

much better than it was. Trying to figure out things apart and having distance is tough. And there was obviously a lot of logistics because two different states and we had to figure out where we were going to meet. Would it be somewhere completely different? Would I go to San Diego? Would she come to Dallas? And it was a lot of logistics. Logistics to figure out, especially with Lisa's then on different dates and everything. So now that we're finally here and we finally have furniture and everything, which was a whole nother.

[Jess]

So fun to just like. It sounds so boring, but it's been so fun to just be normal.

[Susan]

She's made it very like playing house.

[Spencer]

Yeah.

[Jess]

And also, like, I'm not going to lie, I loved when we were going back and forth because, like, I loved showing him San Diego and he would show me Dallas. But now it's like I have my car here and I have my dog here. So it's like, like, it's just so nice to like, just be normal and like, do normal things together and have our little routine and.

[Host Susan]

Yeah.

[Jess]

It's just.

[Spencer]

Especially with all the travel last year. I do not thrive without a routine.

[Jess]

He was like, I do not want to travel at all.

[Spencer]

For the first, like four months. I'm staying here. Whatever you'd like to do, that's totally fine.

[Susan]

I'll meet you back here.

[Spencer]

Stay at home.

[Susan]

Wait, what is Dallas's home for long term? Is that what you're thinking?

[Jess]

Yes, I definitely think for at least. Well, at least the next year for sure. But I honestly already love it. I think that Spence obviously loves it. He's been here for like a long time, since 2011. So, yeah, so he's been here a while and I mean, I didn't have many doubts. I knew I would miss the beach, but all. Most of my family is in Tennessee, so I'm closer to. To get back home. Now there's. It's only positives for me.

[Spencer]

You have quite a bit of airline miles burning, so we want to go to the beach. We can fly the beach.

[Jess]

We can go anytime.

[Host Susan]

Okay. I'm feeling really ADHD here because I have so many questions. I got it back up for one second. Yeah, Spencer and. And I don't know if you've ever said this or if it even was televised, but I, as you know, I adore both you guys, but can you just tell we're going to get into your wedding plans and all that, but can you just tell everyone? And if you don't, I'm going to what you said about getting engaged to this beautiful woman, about her dad. Do you remember what you said?

[Spencer]

Yeah. So there were a lot of hoops I had to jump through to be able to speak to both of her parents. And it was really important to me that I talked to both her dad and mom about especially she's their only child. So.

[Host Susan]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

And it was really big for me. So I told them if they want an engagement on the show, they've got to let me talk to both parents.

[Susan]

And I love that.

[Jess]

I don't know. It. Honestly, it meant so much to me too, that he like, he really wanted to talk to my dad. That was like his number one. But he knows how close I am with my mom too, so. And I'm their baby girl. I'm their only kid. So it just like, it, it melte. Melted my heart a little that it was like he was like, if I don't get to talk to him, then I'm not doing it. Like, sorry, baby, but I'll do it later on.

[Spencer]

Well, we'll do it somewhere else. Yeah.

[Susan]

I'm not starting off on the bad foot because.

[Host Susan]

Because, Spencer, you had said we, we had talked about. You had talked to a couple different people about getting engaged. And the after you said to me, and you were just so forthright, it just warmed my heart. You said, you know, there's no way I can't do it. I had.

[Spencer]

You.

[Host Susan]

You told me after you talked to.

[Spencer]

Well, it was. They. For. I. I mean, for a while it was looking like that wasn't going to be a possibility. There was a ton of logistics going on, filming, and there were the competitions and all these things we had to work around. So it was actually, I, I really appreciate them, production being able to jump through some hoops. So I was able to do that because it really was like, we were busy. There wasn't a lot of downtime.

[Jess]

Especially even like the night before it happened. We didn't even know. We were like, I don't know if they're gonna like, give us that opportunity to get engaged at this point.

[Spencer]

Like, we had discussed it, but we're like, I. I don't know where the time's going to be for any of that. So we discussed it, but I don't know.

[Host Susan]

I will tell you, I was so bummed out. I said to the producers, what do I have to do? Like, I'm going to hide out here because I want to see. I'll hide behind a tree. I want to see them get engaged.

[Spencer]

I would have told Them. It's not happening unless you were there. If I knew that, Spencer.

[Host Susan]

Well, listen, as long as I get invited to the wedding, I'll. I'll let it go. But I was dying.

[Jess]

Don't worry.

[Host Susan]

Yeah.

[Susan]

I was the best.

[Host Susan]

The best.

[Susan]

And I remember back when you weren't a hundred percent, you go, well, I don't know if I want to move. Remember, Jess?

[Jess]

And I was like, no, you have to. I think it's great. Yeah. I was letting that little, like, devil on the shoulder.

[Susan]

Yes.

[Jess]

Negativity. And then I actually got to talk to both my parents, too, the night before the engagement. And something that they said to me that I, like, always love to tell this story because I was just letting my own. My past, like, really come up and be like, you don't deserve this. It's too good to be true. Like, don't do, like, you're rushing into it, like, something's going to happen. All these things. And I was so scared also that, like, my parents were going to be like, you're insane for this.

[Host Susan]

You told me that. You told me that.

[Spencer]

Kind of fair. Which would be kind of fair.

[Jess]

Yeah, it's fine. But both of them. And, like, I called them separately, too. Like, just so you all know, I. I called them separately. They both said the exact same thing. They were like, it. We trust your instincts and we trust what you feel. You're so in tune with your emotions. And if you feel like this is your man and this is what you want to do, then we support you. 100. Like, they both have exact same response. And that was just like a. Oh, my God. Okay. Yeah, I'm doing this then.

[Susan]

Okay, we're good.

[Jess]

That's my man.

[Host Susan]

And I love that. I love that they said that. You also said that to me when you told me what your parents had said. And I thought they must be amazing people to try. Because I have to be honest, Susan, I don't know what you think. I'm not sure. Well, I'm a little crazy how I would have. What I would have. What would have come out of this mouth if my daughter had called me and said, hey, I met this guy three weeks ago, and I'm not.

[Jess]

I was scared. I was scared. Honestly, I was like, o. I don't know.

[Spencer]

I think you have it in you to be supportive of your child there. I think you go the same route.

[Host Susan]

Hey, listen, if I met the right guy, I'd be engaged tomorrow.

[Spencer]

I was about to ask you about your man. Man search.

[Host Susan]

We'll get to that. We'll get to that.

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Okay, I don't think that's true.

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If it wasn't for the air where Ella lived, she wouldn't have died on that fatal night.

[Anna Sinfield]

You'll even get to meet my mum in that one, who I can always count on to keep my feet on the ground.

[Jess]

I'm not too intimidated by her.

[Anna Sinfield]

What are you talking about? Listen to the Girlfriend Spotlight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Susan]

While Jess was speaking just now, he couldn't take his eyes off of her. He looked at her just like on the show. I love this.

[Host Susan]

No, it's so real. And I have to tell you. So you guys, that you live about three hours from me, you're in Dallas, I'm in Austin. And you guys came to Austin and I have to tell you, I makes me cry. It was so nice to see see you guys. And see Susan. You're exactly right. The way they look at each other is.

[Susan]

It's, it's real.

[Host Susan]

My, my belief. Susan, you and I have talked about this too. Lots of people get married. Lots of people. But you guys are going to have that relationship for life that people wish they could find thank you so much.

[Jess]

I love that so much.

[Spencer]

It was so much fun visiting you too. We need an actual Austin trip. So we. We went for the music festival, but I love Austin so much. Actually, when you guys were talking about staying put in Dallas, I don't know if either of us are like, I have family here, I have friends here. I don't know, super tired.

[Jess]

You just say the word. We can go wherever. I'm down to experience anywhere. Let's just do it.

[Host Susan]

Hey, listen, you can come and live in my house and I'll go travel. You could just come and stay in my house. Bring the dogs. I have two cats. It'll be chaos

[Susan]

meeting all his friends. Jess, you liked everybody.

[Jess]

Oh my gosh. I love one thing. And like, I never thought of it. Like, I don't know if it was just something that I hadn't noticed, but I was asked a question by someone like, oh, do you like all of Spencer's friends? And I'm like, oh, I love them. He has like these two guy best friends and they just have the most amazing wives and they're so sweet and they brought. They.

[Host Susan]

Wait, did you say lives or.

[Jess]

I'm sorry, the southern accent is coming out. Wives. They just welcome me in with open arms and they're so sweet. But something that stood out is like, he is so nice to everyone. Like, this is the kindest man I've ever met. But he is very particular on who he actually calls a friend. Like, he has standards and I honestly love that. Like, of course, be friendly with everyone and be nice to everyone. But it's almost a little questionable. Like, oh, you have all these millions of best friends. Like, what?

[Susan]

Why?

[Jess]

Why you can't get super close to anyone.

[Spencer]

I don't have many best friends. I have like, I don't know, three of my. The people I spend time with. My primary love. Language is folly time. So if I'm spending time with someone, that's my way of showing them I care about them. And there's.

[Jess]

I just love that he was picky about who he spends his time with. I just like, I don't know.

[Host Susan]

Wait, Spencer, did you grow up in Dallas? Now I'm confused.

[Spencer]

No, no, no, no. I grew up in Utah. So I was born in Wyoming, grew up in Utah, was going to actually play football at the University of Utah, and my mom had gotten a new job in Dallas and she brought my football film up to the SMU offices.

[Jess]

She's a go getter.

[Spencer]

Got me a. They were like, oh, yeah, we have a Spot on the team forums. Then she flew me here and I was like, wow, Dallas is beautiful. And there's no horses. And I was expecting come here and it'd be like people riding horses around as a mode of transportation. And that wasn't it at all. So they do have the rodeo in Fort Worth. Dallas is very stockyard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bougie.

[Jess]

I feel like that is one thing that I've had to get used to is like, in San Diego, I feel like I could just walk around kind of looking like a bum all the time. Whereas here, like, everyone's always so put together and like, looks great. And I'm like, okay, wow, I need to like, go get some cuter outfits or something. Like, I don't know what's.

[Spencer]

So she did. So I did put some. That prize money.

[Host Susan]

I did.

[Susan]

Of course you did.

[Jess]

I did.

[Host Susan]

Well, now that we're talking about prize money, what else are we spending that prize money on?

[Spencer]

A lot of it went into savings. I hope that, like, student loan debt and stuff.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

And then when we moved into the new townhouse, we didn't really have any furniture because all my furniture was for a smaller one bedroom apartment. All of her furniture got left in San Diego, so I gave it away. We had to. We've been, We've been thrifty, though. We've been on Facebook, Marketplace. I love this. The decision to buy the coffee table right there had no idea. The best purchase, £320. And me and my friend had to lift it up a whole flight of stairs. Facebook, Marketplace. It was a deal.

[Host Susan]

There. There's great deals on that. So when we. You remember when we were doing interviews about Keith and I were asking in paradise, if you won the money, what would you spend it on? And I. Again, everyone needs to hear this. You two unequivocally had the best answer. You said we would put a lot in savings. I mean, as a mom, it spoke to me. You said, we, we'll put some in savings. We want to.

[Susan]

Student loans.

[Host Susan]

I. I don't remember you saying that, but I'm sure you did. But the other thing you said is, you know, when we get married, we want to be able to put money down and have a house. And it just. You guys seem definitely for Dr. Yeah,

[Susan]

let's talk about that.

[Spencer]

Yeah. Take it away. So let the lady take it away.

[Jess]

We actually just had this conversation like a few nights ago, so we haven't started any planning yet. I think one thing that we, we, at first we were like, okay. When it's been a year. Maybe we revisit and start planning then. But our biggest thing is, like, we just kind of want to take time and like, live life normally. I think that a lot of people forget we had to be hidden and also live separately for a couple months. So we lost out on a lot of time in hiding and then also waiting to actually move in together.

[Spencer]

Yeah. We've only been living here for a month.

[Jess]

Literally one month.

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Kidding.

[Spencer]

So, yeah, a month and a week.

[Jess]

So we were like, okay, so May's coming up real quick and it's going to be a year. We did say we're like, about planning.

[Spencer]

We're like, let's. Like, it's still so fresh that we're here. So when May comes around, it could very well be, oh, my gosh. Okay. Yeah, let's start planning.

[Host Susan]

But guys, there's no rush. Enjoy your time together.

[Spencer]

And I love. She has made this house so homey and so comfortable.

[Susan]

The woman's touch. She's got that woman's eyes.

[Spencer]

Yeah.

[Host Susan]

Spencer, I'm telling you, where the hell is your uncle? I want him.

[Spencer]

I got a couple of them.

[Host Susan]

Send them my way.

[Susan]

But they might not take after him. Cat.

[Host Susan]

Oh, that. That went without his family.

[Jess]

His family's great.

[Spencer]

Yeah. And we made it through. I think, like, obviously every relationship has stressors and it was a lot of pressure on us individually, us as a couple with the move.

[Host Susan]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

Like her literally giving up her whole life that everything on in San Diego, all those ties she had there to come to this brand new place that she's never been before.

[Host Susan]

Yeah. But you know what, Spencer?

[Susan]

It's because she came for you.

[Host Susan]

She loves you. It was nothing to give up. That it was.

[Spencer]

And we made it through picking furniture.

[Jess]

We did.

[Spencer]

That was kidding.

[Jess]

It's so funny, like, the amount of DMs that I get that are like, do you and Spencer ever argue? I want to be like, yeah. It took us like four weeks to decide on a rug.

[Spencer]

That rug, that brown rug, that thing took a couple weeks to find.

[Host Susan]

I.

[Jess]

We like, made a joke. I think I commented on an Instagram post or something. I'm like, we literally, like, almost broke up over a rug. Not actually. So that's gonna be the next bachelor headlines.

[Host Susan]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

With the Facebook pages. No, but it's been like, actually, I'm being so sorry. So many, so many big life hurdles that. That we've gone through and done really, really, really well with. I'm really proud of us and where we are now. And for sure it's like, so nice to actually finally be in our home. We're moved in.

[Host Susan]

Who found it? I want to know who found this home Was.

[Spencer]

It

[Jess]

was definitely me.

[Spencer]

For sure.

[Jess]

It was definitely me, Spencer, because I

[Spencer]

found a realtor that found it, so.

[Susan]

Oh, okay.

[Spencer]

Yeah, our realtor found this one. And who found him?

[Jess]

Found him.

[Spencer]

I went to go tour a different unit with them.

[Jess]

Oh, yeah, you did you fight.

[Host Susan]

Fight.

[Susan]

She looked at it first or did you go together to look at it?

[Jess]

We went together.

[Spencer]

This one, we went together. There was a couple when she was still in San Diego that I went and toured and I would take a video and everything. This one we actually got see together.

[Jess]

I'm also so weird. There was ones. There was a lot of ones we looked at that were great and he really liked. And then I would walk in and I'm like, the vibe is off. Like, I'm so weird. There's just something.

[Host Susan]

Okay, so let me real quickly. That is so true. When I bought the house that I'm in and my. My husband was alive, we bought it together. My realtor called me and said, it just came on the market, if you can be over here. I. So I left work. Work, literally, and. And came over here. It was like 15 minutes from work. And I walked in. It was like Miracle on 34th Street. I called my husband and I said. He said, I haven't left yet. I'm in a meeting. I said, you don't have to bother coming. We're buying it. I've already, like, you can come and look at it if you want, but we're buying.

[Spencer]

I will say, when we walked in this one initially, I was like, I don't think so. I don't like it very much. Okay, we'll move it. And I am so happy that I listened to her on that one because it's been perfect.

[Susan]

What did you like when you walked in?

[Jess]

I think that. Honestly, I think that all ceilings.

[Host Susan]

Yeah.

[Jess]

He didn't. What didn't you like? I don't remember. It was something like, very. He just. There was one that we fell in love with, but it was, like, way too early to sign a lease when we found it. And so I think we did both. We compared everything to that first one.

[Spencer]

Yeah.

[Jess]

And he's like, but I don't know. And I'm like, honey, we have, like, two weeks left before we need a place, so you're stressing me out.

[Spencer]

We gotta cross the nation.

[Host Susan]

How many bedrooms do you guys have?

[Spencer]

Just two. It's two with an office with an office, so.

[Host Susan]

Well, as long as there's more than one. I'm coming.

[Spencer]

Oh, you're coming? You have a guest bedroom already.

[Jess]

Susan, you're coming, too.

[Spencer]

There we go.

[Host Susan]

We could share bed.

[Spencer]

We have many on the couch.

[Susan]

Yeah, I was there nine years I lived there. And I really love that. The people are so great. They are kind. Then you get off the plane back in Jersey or New York or Philly, it's like, yo.

[Spencer]

Yeah.

[Host Susan]

Okay, wait. So who does the cooking? Tell me how you divide the. The. Divide and conquer the. The chores. How's it work over there?

[Jess]

He actually is both good cooks, but he's a. He's a better cook than me.

[Spencer]

Honestly, I don't know if it's better or worse. I just cook more. I eat a lot, so I cook a lot.

[Jess]

He does. He's very particular about his. Like, he weighs all this stuff. He's.

[Spencer]

Sometimes. Well, I'm. I'm cutting weight right now. I'm gonna cut.

[Host Susan]

What's that?

[Spencer]

I get ready for. Gotta get ready for the summer.

[Jess]

So I'm protein, and I'm like, I don't know. Like, just. Will you just do it?

[Host Susan]

I don't know.

[Jess]

I don't know what you need. I don't know.

[Host Susan]

What's your big thing? What's your favorite meal to cook? Spencer, what's your. What's your. You know, if. What's your meal to impress?

[Spencer]

So I apparently have now learned that two things. One, I make a lot of the same meals, and two, I make a lot of bowls of just, like, stuff like, just. I just had potatoes and eggs and steak just in a bowl.

[Host Susan]

Yeah.

[Susan]

You don't have a nice big steak?

[Host Susan]

No. You don't have your chicken

[Spencer]

bowl?

[Host Susan]

Yeah, I'm with you.

[Jess]

Let me tell you, the size of bowl that he uses is like what you would use.

[Susan]

A salad bowl.

[Host Susan]

Yes.

[Jess]

Like, I'm not kidding. I'm like, what is happening?

[Narrator]

He.

[Susan]

Yeah. As far as finding groceries compared to California.

[Jess]

Oh, my gosh.

[Susan]

Different, isn't it?

[Jess]

Everything here is also so cheap compared to California. I'm like, this is crazy. That much, like, gas is $2 inst. Like, 7.

[Spencer]

Like, I had so much more in my paycheck.

[Host Susan]

I was like, yeah, welcome to Texas, y'. All. That is so funny. So you. You guys, we got to get back to wedding talk here. Do you. I know you haven't planned anything, but, Jess, I got to ask you. Do you even have an idea of what you want your dress to be like? You know?

[Jess]

I do not. I don't have an eye. I. I know that there's specific things that, like, I definitely like, you know, these. This little area right here, I want that hidden. So I don't know what kind of dress does. It's going to be a winter wedding, Susan.

[Host Susan]

For a winter. Y' all can't see what Jess just did. What she pointed to was, like, the little area by your upper arm and shoulder and I by that stand over the tank top. So by that standard, Susan, you and I need to wear paper bags that started our neck and cover right down

[Susan]

to our feet for yourself. I'm always hot. I need next to nothing.

[Jess]

That is just. And also, I will say this, too, so this is very specific as well, that I definitely will be happening at our wedding. So, you know, typically, like, if you're looking at the bride and groom like you're in the audience, the bride is usually on the left. Oh, I can't believe you're saying this. We're switching that. Yeah, we're switching out.

[Susan]

I do weddings.

[Jess]

My left side.

[Susan]

I do weddings, as you know. And one couple said, no, no, no, why would we. We can't see him. I want to see him. The groom side. So they sat on the opposite side. I think it's a brilliant idea.

[Jess]

No, no, no.

[Host Susan]

That's not what she's saying. She's going to stand on the right side.

[Jess]

I'm going to stand on the right side.

[Spencer]

Is her good side.

[Host Susan]

Yeah.

[Jess]

I was like, I am not going to settle for hating every single one of my wedding pictures because my right side is the one loud.

[Susan]

You're.

[Jess]

So we're switching it.

[Host Susan]

Okay.

[Susan]

What about a bridal party? Do you want a big, huge wedding or, like, really popular right now is not even having anybody.

[Spencer]

We have talked about that, too. We're like, do we want to do more intimate, like, destination wedding or. They're funer with everyone. We're definitely going to have to do something close to Tennessee.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Host Susan]

For her.

[Spencer]

Mama.

[Jess]

Mama. Yeah. She doesn't fly. And she'll. She'll be. She's fine on a longer drive. But also, like, I just think it would be so pretty. I'm from Upper East Tennessee, so it's like mountains and it's beautiful. Yeah. So we'll. We'll most likely do Tennessee, but I don't know. We're still. We're still open.

[Narrator]

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[Jess]

Was this before he wrote his stories? It must have been.

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[Spencer]

What?

[Roald Dahl Podcast Host]

And he was really good at it. You probably won't believe it either.

[Jess]

Okay, I don't think that's true.

[Roald Dahl Podcast Host]

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[Spencer]

I actually drop better when I'm high. It heightens my senses, calms me down. If anything, I'm more careful. Honestly, it just helps me focus.

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[Heather Dubrow]

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[Host Susan]

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[Host Susan]

I'm going to climb this.

[Anna Sinfield]

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[Host Susan]

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[Anna Sinfield]

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[Host Susan]

If it wasn't for the air where Ella lived, she wouldn't have died on that fatal night.

[Anna Sinfield]

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[Jess]

I'm not too intimidated by her.

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[Host Susan]

I have a very important question. Two things. You know how wedding parties like the, the new thing is to not have a wedding party. That's, that's a new trend. So, but here's my question. Those two pups of yours have to be in the wedding.

[Jess]

Oh, they will be.

[Spencer]

They will.

[Host Susan]

My daughter had their, her dog.

[Spencer]

That's also my business. So I'm in the pet business.

[Jess]

Yeah, that's right.

[Spencer]

That's bad for business if we don't have pets at the wedding.

[Jess]

Like I already thought about like we're gonna hire a dog sitter to like it. You gotta be there for the ceremony.

[Spencer]

Yeah.

[Host Susan]

Oh yeah. Wait, aren't the dogs gonna be at the ceremony?

[Jess]

Well, yes, yes, yes.

[Host Susan]

My son in law's boxer. They have a boxer together. The dog literally walked up the aisle with a handler.

[Jess]

Oh, that's amazing.

[Spencer]

I don't know if I could train Rue to do that. She's pretty defined. She's smart.

[Susan]

I have a wedding coming late August in Northern California. It's two women and their dogs. They each have a dog and they're the ring barriers. The both dogs are bringing up a ring. I go, are you serious? Do you trust them?

[Spencer]

I see the one thing I am worried about too, her finding enough bridesmaids to match how many brothers who don't have any? Between me, it's me and my three brothers. So there's four of us. Us and then at least three. Three or four friends for sure that are going to.

[Jess]

And I have no siblings, but that's okay. I have. I have my best friends and I have plenty of cousins, so.

[Host Susan]

So wait, would you have. Who are your best friends from Bachelor? Would any of those people be in a wedding party?

[Jess]

Oh, wedding party. Leia for sure will be.

[Host Susan]

Yeah.

[Susan]

Yeah. Do you keep in touch with anybody else or.

[Spencer]

Yeah, we keep in touch with like Alex and Andrew. Yeah, we talk to pretty frequently. I talk to Jonathan.

[Jess]

Leia is my girl. I talked to Caitlyn from my season. I talked to Lexi from. Also from my season.

[Spencer]

Katie will talk.

[Host Susan]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

Because they're really cool. Actually. That's why we need to visit Austin.

[Host Susan]

Oh, no, no, no. You need to visit Austin for me

[Spencer]

and Zach and Katie and then my. One of my. My best friend. So outside of my two best friends that live here, my other best friend was on Hannah Brown season long time ago. So we were friends before he was on the show or I was on the show, but so I guess technically that counts, but. Yeah. Yeah.

[Host Susan]

Wow, that's amazing.

[Susan]

So what do you hope 2026 brings?

[Spencer]

Oh, I have a lot of hopes for 2026. What about you, babe?

[Jess]

Honestly, just like. Well, when it comes to us together, just like our growth as a couple and I think also like I'm just so excited to spend all the different things together. Like like our first birthdays together and just like I am such a like memory person. Like I love making memories and. Yeah, yeah. New traditions, like old all things. And also like we want to visit a couple new places this year later in the year later.

[Spencer]

Really lucky with we have some flights we have to use before the end of the year.

[Jess]

Yes.

[Spencer]

I think we'll be.

[Host Susan]

Where are you going?

[Spencer]

Adventures.

[Host Susan]

Where are you going? You know.

[Spencer]

Well, one of them's a surprise because it. We are surprising our moms. Our moms on a trip.

[Host Susan]

Yeah, I can't Susan.

[Spencer]

I don't sleep on and then.

[Host Susan]

But do your moms know that they're being surprised?

[Spencer]

They know that.

[Jess]

They know that they're going on a trip.

[Spencer]

They don't know where they're going.

[Host Susan]

Moms know each other now.

[Jess]

They haven't met in person yet, unfortunately, but on FaceTime plenty of times.

[Susan]

They're gonna know each other. Dad's home. No Dad's allowed.

[Jess]

Well, both of our parents are divorced.

[Susan]

Oh, okay.

[Jess]

You have to do separate.

[Susan]

Yeah, I was gonna say Spence and three women.

[Spencer]

It wouldn't be. It'd be awkward with both.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Susan]

Well, never mind.

[Spencer]

And so we have that. And then we. We've looked at either Greece.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

Or Italy.

[Jess]

Or soul.

[Spencer]

Or soul.

[Jess]

We have some big. We just have to sit down and actually plan it. But we're going to go on some

[Susan]

adventures this year for you.

[Spencer]

And then we have the Bachelor Nation cruise coming up as well.

[Host Susan]

Yeah, we're all going to be there. We're all going to be. I know.

[Spencer]

That's going to be so fun.

[Jess]

My mom actually is going to be on that. So you'll be.

[Susan]

And they expect us to work. I don't see how.

[Host Susan]

Once we start.

[Spencer]

Wait, so I was telling her that. I was like, yeah, I can't wait for the cruise. I'm gonna like, hang out with the guys. She's like, you're gonna be working. I'm like, I'm gonna be working. I'm gonna be hanging out.

[Susan]

We're gonna be late for work.

[Spencer]

Yeah, I'm gonna be calling in to work.

[Host Susan]

No, Spencer, you're gonna be calling.

[Spencer]

Here's.

[Host Susan]

This can be Spencer. Okay, everyone, listen. Guy. He's gonna be calling the big guy.

[Spencer]

That's gonna be Spencer will be fun because one of the bigger things we have planned is the Chicago marathon.

[Jess]

Oh, as in he and I'll be there with the sign.

[Spencer]

Yeah.

[Host Susan]

Well, I saw. Wait a minute.

[Spencer]

I saw.

[Host Susan]

You're running.

[Spencer]

Yeah. For autism speak. So that'll be really, really fun. Yeah.

[Host Susan]

Are you a marathon runner, Spencer?

[Spencer]

Oh, yeah. I've ran for three ultramarathons, so. In Arizona.

[Susan]

Wow.

[Spencer]

Yeah.

[Susan]

I would follow him in the car. Jess. With some water.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Jess]

I'm gonna be the pig.

[Host Susan]

But didn't you start running?

[Jess]

Oh, I did. Okay. So that actually is. So the only time I've ever ran is I cheered in high school. And so we would have to condition in the summer. But like we would run around the track a couple times. Like maybe go a mile. And like we had our first.

[Spencer]

We had our first track run on Thursday.

[Jess]

Well, because he Goes all the time. Like, literally, y'. All. On Saturday, he set an alarm for. What was it, 4 or 5? It was 4am he set an alarm because his friends were. Are training for a different race and he wanted to go get some miles in with them. And he just ran a casual 15 miles on Saturday morning for fun, to go hang out with the boys.

[Spencer]

17, but.

[Jess]

Oh, 17.

[Host Susan]

My bad, my bad, my bad. But do you remember at the beach, Spencer, you. I. I was always on the beach working out, and you would.

[Spencer]

And Spencer, you are in every morning.

[Jess]

He would run and I'd be the last one.

[Spencer]

Fun story for all the podcast listeners here. Kathy liked to go on walks and not tell anyone she was leaving. Disappear for like three hours. So. So one morning, production came up to me and goes, we can't find Kathy. We know you like to run. Can you go run and find her, let us know where she is? So I'm running up the beach looking for Kathy. She was five miles.

[Susan]

Oh, yeah.

[Spencer]

Down the beach, five miles.

[Susan]

That's her everyday walker.

[Host Susan]

I walk five miles every day.

[Spencer]

And I'm well aware.

[Host Susan]

I didn't know I was getting into trouble. Trouble. And then. And then you guys would go off and run. And I was like, you know me, like, what's fair? So I was like, wait a minute, Spencer's going out and running. They said, well, you know, they're safe and they. They're training. I was like, what am I doing? Chop liver. I wanted one. So, yeah, you're right. He do you. And you found me.

[Spencer]

Hey, the thing is, you're much more valuable to the show than me, so they have to keep you safe. So I was yo retrieve Kathy.

[Jess]

I never knew any of this was going on because I was the last person to show up every single morning.

[Host Susan]

Like, oh, I know.

[Jess]

I would be laying in bed until they were like, jess, everyone is out there except you.

[Susan]

Get off to go.

[Jess]

And I'm like, damn it.

[Host Susan]

And let me just say, Jess wakes up, rolls out of bed, and looks as beautiful as she does right now.

[Spencer]

How lucky am I?

[Host Susan]

Yeah, how lucky are you? All right, wait, I have to ask. Speaking of paradise, perfect segue here. What's something you'd love to see happen at the beach next season? I would love to know. And is there anyone besides Kathy here who should get another shot at paradise?

[Spencer]

First off, Kathy and bring Keith back to. We need to bring Keith back as well, I was about to say. And then I would love for my man Jonathan to be able to go on there and find someone Yeah, I, I, Jonathan's a really good guy and I think that it might just not have been the right, you know what I.

[Jess]

To see happen.

[Spencer]

She wants drama. What do you want?

[Jess]

No, no, no, no. Not true. I would like to see us show back up and give some couple advice.

[Susan]

Yes.

[Host Susan]

You know what?

[Susan]

I think that's a great idea.

[Host Susan]

I think it's a great idea.

[Jess]

I think it's a great idea.

[Host Susan]

I think it's a great idea. What do you think?

[Susan]

With the new twist with all the money and I'm shocked.

[Spencer]

I will say I don't know how they replicate last season again this season because I think that it was shocked to us.

[Jess]

He had no clue.

[Spencer]

And I do think people would go on for a different. It would get to know each other right now.

[Host Susan]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

And lie about it and go on it. So I think think it would be hilarious.

[Susan]

That should be a one and done, huh?

[Jess]

One and done. Or like, at least like one. And then maybe do it again in a couple years when no one surprises.

[Spencer]

Yeah, Yeah. I just think it'd be tough. I think that, I think we got really lucky with the cast we had and the people there because with all the money being introduced, it could have gone a totally different direction. Yeah, I think.

[Host Susan]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

And yeah, no, I'm just, just. I was really happy to be, obviously.

[Host Susan]

Yeah. You know, Keith promised me he'd send me a quick 50 if we didn't go for the money, and I'm still waiting. My Becky custom.

[Spencer]

Pay up, man.

[Host Susan]

That's a joke. Now that's going to be the headline. That's a joke.

[Jess]

Yeah, we're all going to be on Facebook after question.

[Host Susan]

Wait, I have one more question about paradise.

[Susan]

Okay.

[Host Susan]

Tell me about Dale and cat breakup.

[Susan]

You read my mind.

[Host Susan]

Oh, sorry. Oh, look, all of a sudden they got quiet.

[Jess]

Well, you know what?

[Spencer]

I was here. Dallas.

[Jess]

We got all, we got all the tea just a couple weeks.

[Spencer]

By we, we mean she did. Yeah.

[Jess]

And you know what? I think that, like, obviously there's two sides to every story, but I just think at the end of the day, like, like there wasn't time being made for the relationship on Dale's side, and so I think that, you know.

[Host Susan]

Oh, you mean. Wait, I'm sorry, after paradise, you're talking about.

[Jess]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, are you talking about during.

[Host Susan]

No, no, no. I, I, No, I'm with you. I just. When you said time for the relationship, I didn't know if you meant pre.

[Jess]

You mean after the fact. I just think that, like, he and there's you know, a lot more of opinions that I have but I'm going to keep them to myself in that matter but because I just, I don't want to be involved in the drama but I want what's best for Kat. She wasn't being treated the way that she deserved and like don't settle.

[Host Susan]

Yeah.

[Susan]

No. And she put up with a lot I thought.

[Host Susan]

Yeah.

[Jess]

I just think that like yeah, he just, he wasn't putting time and effort in Fair enough. Relationship and like it. It's hard. You have to be able to do that. I mean take it from us, like we were living in two different places. We both have full time jobs like along with like our relationship and doing, trying to do influencing like there's so many different things and like if you're not able to put time into someone, it's not going to work out.

[Susan]

All right, that does it for today's episode but we'll be back for part two with Jess and Spencer later this week. This is an I heart podcast.

[Jess]

Guaranteed human.