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Tristan Redman
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Asma Khalid
So is the world.
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Tristan Redman
But what's happening in America isn't just a cause of global upheaval. It's also a symptom of disruption that's happening everywhere.
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Asma Khalid
I'm Asma Khalid in Washington, D.C. i'm.
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Tristan Redman
Tristan Redman in London, and this is the global story.
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Asma Khalid
Every weekday we'll bring you a story from this intersection where the world and America meet.
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Tristan Redman
Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Ed Helms
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Johnny Knoxville
Hello, America's sweetheart. Johnny Knoxville here. I want to tell you about my new true crime podcast, Crimeless Hillbilly Heist from Smartless Media, Campside Media and big money players. It's a wild tale about a gang of high functioning nitwits who somehow pulled off America's third largest cash heist.
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Ed Helms
Kind of like Robin Hood, except for.
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Jonathan Goldstein
The part where he steals from the rich and gives to the poor. I'm not that generous.
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Johnny Knoxville
It's a damn near inspiring true story for anyone out there who's ever shot for the moon. Then just tell. Totally muffed up the landing.
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Jonathan Goldstein
They stole $17 million and had not bought a ticket to help him escape. So we're sitting like, oh God, what do we do?
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Joan Vos
What do we do?
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Jonathan Goldstein
That was dumb. People do not follow my example.
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Johnny Knoxville
Listen to Crimeless Hillbilly Heist on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Ed Helms
Hey, it's Ed Helms, host of Snafu, my podcast about history's greatest screw ups on our new season. We're bringing you a new snafu every single episode.
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Joan Vos
32 lost nuclear weapons. You're like, wait, stop. What?
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Ed Helms
It's going to be a whole lot of history, a whole lot of funny, and a whole lot of fabulous guests. Paul Scheer, Angela and Jenna. Nick Kroll, Jordan Klepper. Listen to season four of SNAFU with Ed Helms on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jonathan Goldstein
What's going on, everybody? And welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. Sorry to interrupt regularly scheduled programming, but you're here with Jonathan Johnson and my beautiful co host Joan Vos, and we're going to be talking about everything. Golden Bachelor from episode 5.
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Joan Vos
5. Can you believe it? And we're here subbing in for Serena and Joe, who are traveling today. So you're stuck with Jonathan and I, but we have a lot to talk about, and we are so happy to be here.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Beyond happy to be here. Well, Joan, if you want to start us off, go for it.
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Joan Vos
You want me start off?
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Jonathan Goldstein
I'll just kind of play off you. Yeah, go for it.
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Joan Vos
Okay. Okay. Well, first of all, like, first thoughts about this episode is the house looks so empty. Like, six people are so few, and I feel like we got there really quickly. I don't know. Do you feel the same way? Like, this is flu bomb. We only have six left.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Well, we. What do we start with? 24, 25, 25.
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Joan Vos
I don't know. We are six. We're at six. We're getting down to three. So we. We.
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Johnny Knoxville
Yeah.
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Jonathan Goldstein
For hometowns already after episode five is insane.
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Joan Vos
And that's a little bit of a shock when Jesse came in and said there's only going to be three hometowns. So, like, on my season, I had four, and most seasons have four. But I do remember back to Golden Bachelor, and he only had three also. So they're kind of like the Golden Bachelors seem to only do three, which seems like not very many. Although as someone who has a lead and did hometowns, they're exhausting. So I can see why maybe they're only doing three, but I just feel like the house is so empty and there's only six. Six of them left. And it just seems like there's so much less energy in the air now, and it's all very subdued.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Yeah. And I. The, like, the. The whole dynamic of the women left, too, is insane. And I know, like, I'm jumping ahead, but I'm really excited to talk about, like, who's left.
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Joan Vos
Yeah.
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Jonathan Goldstein
But like, everything that had led up to this moment, like, all, like the, like the spiritual journeys he was doing with people and like the one on one, like, it was all very. It was the episode that needed to happen for sure.
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Joan Vos
Well, Bachelor loves to do those awkward episodes where you do all this really spiritual stuff with these virtual strangers. And I had to do it on my season. I did it with Pascal. We were both like, we wanted to get out of there as fast as we possibly could because it's so uncomfortable. But weirdly. Okay, I know we're gonna get into this. We're probably jumping ahead. But Mel embraced it a little more than I expected him to. But let's talk. Let's talk kind of from the beginning to the end. Otherwise you and I are just gonna get off on a tangent.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Yeah, we're gonna go everywhere.
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Joan Vos
Yep. We know how we are. So. Okay, so six ladies left. And I remember it started out with the two who didn't. Had never had one on one dates talking. So it was Carol and Cindy sitting there, and they were both like, wow, this is like a really important day because hometowns are next week and. Or tomorrow or whatever really soon. And neither one of us have had a date yet. And I remember, like, Carol saying, like, I don't think if I don't get a date, I don't think I can get to where I need to be with Mel. And I don't know if she was talking about herself or with or Mel she didn't think would know her well enough, but whatever. She kind of just said that right out. And Cindy was really kind and she said, you know, you've had kind of a slow burn and give it some time. I feel like you're on the fast track now and things are going better for you, which. How nice of Cindy, who also had not had a one on one date yet. So I felt like she was really, really kind. And then of course, Jesse enters and. Oh, and I also remember from, I think those beginning conversations where Nicole and. And she's a whole conversation we need to have. By the way, Nicole. There's a lot to talk about. Nicole seems to be very confident about the whole thing. Like, you know, if I can manifest it, it can happen. If I believe it, I can manifest it and then it's going to happen. And I feel really confident and I feel like Mel and I have this deep connection. So she's seeming very confident. Everybody else seems not particularly confident to me.
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Jonathan Goldstein
No, no. And I. I can't tell if Nicole's is like a real confidence or she's like doing it for the bit, you know what I mean? Like, obviously a lot of what she's talked about this last episode is like, oh, like I'm here to build social media career and monetize myself and this and that. And I'm like, okay, yeah, she, she has a lot of like confidence in the way that she like goes about what she's doing. But is that confidence from an internal place or is she just really good at following the storyline that she has set in her head? You know what I mean? Like there's, there's a difference to acting confidently for your own self interest in like a positive good way and there's a way of doing it in like a professional way. Like I have a job to do, I'm going to do it, I'm going to get it done. You know what I mean? So like, which, which way is she confident in?
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Joan Vos
Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what her job is here. And like we all expect that she's there because she wants to find love and she wants to connect with Mel. But I'm not really very confident that that's what it is or that she kind of wants both. But like the Mel part is just the second part of her journey, not the main part. Yeah, like if she ended up with Mel, like, I mean, we'll get to this later in the episode because she does say some very strange things when they were having kind of their last one on one. But I think we should probably talk about like, okay, here we go. A date card enters.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Yeah.
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Joan Vos
Right. And so the two people that are really, really invested in this date card are Carol and Cindy. Because they haven't had one.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Yep.
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Joan Vos
And like can somebody. Okay, I want to ask you this question. Can somebody get a hometown visit without ever having had a date?
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Jonathan Goldstein
Yeah, I think somebody did. On Grant season last year, Zoe had that happen. So it is a possibility for somebody to do it. But I think the unsettling, uneasy like nature of it, like to be like, hey, I'm gonna bring you home to meet my family and potentially get engaged. You're like, I've spent a total of 2 hours with this person, 4 hours with this person. It, it kind of fluctuates. Like I can see where her uncomfortability in, in doing so would come from. And obviously we, we learn later on that she decides to self eliminate, but to self eliminate. So you can, you can understand why she puts so much pressure behind this. And, and Cindy too. I think Cindy is a little bit more confident in their relationship or maybe she was just better at like hiding like the, I don't know, like the uneasiness. Uneasiness from it. But.
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Joan Vos
Well, and, and I feel like we've seen very little of Cindy's one on one interactions with Mel. She seems very confident and she feels like she's falling in love. She said she has such strong feelings, but we've seen so little from her. I don't know. For some reason she hasn't got a lot of airtime and, and maybe Carol has had a little bit more. But Carol's airtime seemed very uncomfortable and a little awkward. Like she had a hard time talking to him.
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Jonathan Goldstein
I will say though, I love that she owned it. I think a lot of like people can relate to it too because when you're a good looking person, people like expect things from you or you should be like this or they expect you to be like this outgoing, confident person. And I think there's a lot of people out there like that can relate to like, oh my God. Like she kind of humanizes a situation where it's like, oh, I'm a beautiful person but like I, I get awkward too. You know, she's like. It's been, what was it she said, like seven years.
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Joan Vos
Seven years.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Seven years since she's had somebody, I think.
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Joan Vos
Yeah, that was Cindy. Cindy was seven years. I don't know how long Carol has been, but it may be seven. But it's been a long time for her.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Also a long, a long period of time to jump back into it and still feel that like, oh my God, I'm, I'm like a little kid again. Like, I don't know what to do. I'm excited, but I don't know what.
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Joan Vos
To talk to him.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Yeah, yeah. And it's like there's something like very. Just like heartwarming it and it's easy to connect to, you know, it's, it's a very relatable thing.
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Joan Vos
I totally agree with you. So Malcolm. So Jesse comes in, he drops a date card. Okay. Of course. And Cindy and Carol are sitting there like really, you know, a little nervous. And of course we know the four people that were called. So they called Peg who was reading the date card and Debbie and Cheryl and Nicole were all called. And then the last one they called was Carol. So like you see the two of them are waiting for their names and the last name was called was Carol. So Carol didn't get the one on one. And she comments, you Know, like, it's. I. Time is running short, and I'm running out of time, so she knows that that's going to be really hard. But I also love. And Mel did the same thing I did on my season. When you go into, like, these last few dates and it's going into hometowns. Like I said, I'm not going to give out any roses on dates because it locks you in to something. Like. So let's say he would have given out a rose on the group date, and on the individual date, he would have only had one rose left at the rose ceremony. There would have been one rose sitting there. So I feel like he did a good job and saying, I'm not going to give roses out on. On, you know, either the loop group date or the one on one date. Because I think he needs, like, eliminating three people is a lot. You're limiting half the people that are there. So I think that was, like, a really smart decision.
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Jonathan Goldstein
I thought, when he was at Griffith park, and I know I'm jumping ahead a little bit with Cindy, and he's like, I got something for you. I thought he was about to, like, pull out a rose and go against what he said because he had such a good time.
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Joan Vos
That would have been good.
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Jonathan Goldstein
And I was like, oh, my God. Okay, Cindy, front runner. And then I was like, oh, it's a star, which is still cute. I'm like, okay, that's good.
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Joan Vos
It was cute.
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Jonathan Goldstein
But, like, to jump back, when Cindy found out that she was the one getting to go, she got really emotional, I think. Yeah, I think part of it for her was her. Her, like, empathetic side, you know, because she had that conversation with Carol, and they were both kind of bonded over it.
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Joan Vos
Yep. Yep.
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Jonathan Goldstein
And I. I felt similar on my season, where I was almost more excited and emotional for everybody else but myself, which I knew was a little bit of a problem. But, yeah, on there, you could tell Cindy was just, like, excited for herself but sad for Carol. And it's like a. It's a weird mix of emotions, especially getting to that point.
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Joan Vos
And that was such a good point because she handled it in such a classy way. She didn't jump up and go, oh, my God, I got the date. I got the date. Or, you know, like some people do. She just sat there really quietly and just like, how Nicole might have, like, very. I didn't say it. You did.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Hey, it's okay. Somebody's got to.
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Joan Vos
I know. Thank you for saying it, because I was thinking at it. I mean, I Just felt like she was really classy and she was very kind to everybody. And I just think that's kind of like her demeanor anyway, which is. Makes me like her even more.
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Jonathan Goldstein
No, she seems like a sweetheart. She seems like a sweetheart.
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Joan Vos
A really good person. So they go on the group date. So when I see Mel sitting up here on this. I think it's called Butterfly Mountain something. Butterfly Mountain Resort or something.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Yeah, it's here in la, actually.
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Joan Vos
Yeah, I know, it looks beautiful. And I see him sitting up there and I'm like, oh, God, here we go on one of these weird, awkward dates that, I don't know, I feel like we do them every bachelor season. I'm like, oh, God, here we go again. Making these people say about these intimate, weird details about themselves. It's so uncomfortable. And here we are.
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Jonathan Goldstein
And he has, I will say ideal date, though. Ideal group day is everybody gets their own thing to do with you, you know what I mean? Because it's almost like a big setting of one on ones.
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Joan Vos
Yeah, you're right. You're sorry.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Whether they're like 10 minutes each or 20 minutes each, you're getting your own time with him, which is actually really, really cool.
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Joan Vos
Especially that late into the. So they start out by doing the shaman, whose name was Danny, comes in to.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Shaman Danny.
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Joan Vos
Shaman Danny is here to make you do some uncomfortable things. So everybody sit down and get ready to say something really intimate about yourself in front of everybody and national tv and. But this first one was kind of easy. And you were supposed to write something on this little incense thing that you need to let go or something about like some emotion that like you need to let go of or something. And Debbie said, kind of like been her whole mantra for this whole season was like the hopelessness that she'd given up on giving, on finding love at this age. So she said that. But then both Peg and Carol said that they felt unworthy. And you look at both of them and they're just so beautiful and so successful. And you wonder how like people even on the show because it takes a lot of bravery and a lot of self confidence to come on the show ever feel unworthy. So that was like a. I was very surprised to hear that from people.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Yeah, it is. It's weird. It's. I mean, it's also like a reoccurring theme too that I think this show does like to bring on is like, that's a feeling that's relatable. You know what I mean? It's one of those things that the audience can connect with. And I think seeing it in the older generations, too, you're like, wow. Like, sometimes it just never goes away. Even when you've had somebody and it comes to an end, that feeling still stays there. And it's. It's a scary yet reassuring thing that you can just, you know. Yeah. It's easy to get behind them. You know what I mean? Cheer them on and hope that they get over that. That feeling or that they feel chosen at the end.
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Joan Vos
Yeah, I know. And that whole thing about feeling chosen at the end, and then it makes you even more worried about them. So once they say the word unworthy, you're like, oh, God, I hope they choose you. I hope he chooses you. Well, two people said it. I'm like, you know, now what? Because you feel like, gosh, I want this to be your worthy moment and for you to let go of that and, you know. You know, we don't know who you choose.
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Jonathan Goldstein
The greatest thing that's ever happened to you, or it could just prey on your insecurities.
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Joan Vos
Just. There it is again. Here we are. Oh, gosh. You know, whenever we do those things, I always wonder, like, what I would have said. What would you have said if they said that to you? Like, what is your one thing that you need to let go of now? I'm totally putting on your spot. I should. I need a shaman here. Call me shaman.
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Jonathan Goldstein
One thing that I. I think if it were me, it would have been purely internal. You know, I. I don't really worry about, like, external, like validation or judgment. It would have been something along the lines of, like, forgiving myself for something in the past. And I'm not sure what that exact thing would have been, but something that allows for me to move forward. Honestly, Mel's is a good answer. He's just had friction.
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Joan Vos
I know.
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Jonathan Goldstein
For him, I think his was internal friction from the. Everything that's happened up until that point, which was actually a really good answer because you don't really see too many moments from him that he's, like, diving deep, you know? Like I said, he's a very stoic man. He doesn't really, like, say too much. So when he's, like, saying something, that's the word. Friction deep. No, but the way he. He went about saying it and doing it, it was a deep answer. And you can tell he actually thought into that.
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Joan Vos
Yeah, Yeah, I. I agree. I feel like that is a reoccurring theme also with him, because I think on his date with Nicole, he had said something Similar, like what to let go of. And it was. I don't think it was friction, but it was something like, you know, like tension or turmoil or something. I have it written down. I'm gonna. I'll look at my notes. But he said something also, so. Boy, there's a theme that. And we're not hearing a lot from Mel. Right. We don't know really that. That much about him, but there is some kind of friction happening or was happening in his life that you can definitely tell exists because that seems to be his theme a lot.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Joan Vos
Even just with these one words. So we did, like learn a little bit about everybody, even in that little kind of insignificant, not big moment. But then they finally got their one on ones and Peg was the first one, and I just wanted to die for her. But she's such a good sport and is so fun. That's when we had to go into the mud bath. I'd been like, please don't make me do that. Oh, yeah, that's so gross.
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Jonathan Goldstein
It's my hair during the day.
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Joan Vos
She's such a good sport and such a good sport, and she didn't care at all. In fact, she's like, this is right up my alley. This is so fun. And like, I think half the girls would have been like, oh, gross. I don't want to go in there.
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Jonathan Goldstein
That's mud.
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Joan Vos
Yep.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Yeah. It felt like it was like right up her alley. She. Honestly too. I mean, what is she not good at? I was watching episode one when she was just like explaining all the things that she's. I was like, what the. Like what.
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Joan Vos
She said.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Fireman.
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Joan Vos
Yeah. And then bomb person. She like, defuses.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Right, Right. Yeah. Yeah, She's. She's like a reserve fireman. She also diffused bombs for the police force for years. And then she happens to be good at everything else. You brought anything that was brought up, she's like, oh, yeah, I've done that.
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Joan Vos
You're like, oh, yeah, I'm at the fair. Like, she beat at the fair. She beat him at every game. I think, like, you know, a good thing. He has a pretty big, big ego because most guys would have been like, like slinking away home, like, sulking. He was like, wow, you're good at everything. And he kind of embraced it and liked it, which was actually showed me something good about him. Again, just these little things that you see that he's impressed that she's better at things than him, is kind of charming.
- [18:57]
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Asma Khalid
So is the world.
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Tristan Redman
But what's happening in America isn't just the cause of global upheaval. It's also a symptom of disruption that's happening everywhere.
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Asma Khalid
I'm Asma Khalid in Washington, D.C. i'm.
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Tristan Redman
Tristan Redman in London, and this is the Global Story.
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Asma Khalid
Every weekday we'll bring you a story from this intersection where the world and America meet.
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Tristan Redman
Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Joan Vos
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Jonathan Goldstein
Ernie Shackleton sounds like a solid 70s.
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Ed Helms
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Joan Vos
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Ed Helms
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Joan Vos
I forgot whose podcast we were doing.
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Ed Helms
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Jonathan Goldstein
I did not know her and I did not kill her or rape or burn or any of that other stuff that y' all said.
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Jonathan Goldstein
I think, honestly, like, I'm a very competitive guy too, as, like a fellow competitive guy.
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Joan Vos
Yeah.
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Jonathan Goldstein
I love when there's a woman that I bring around that can beat me and stuff. Like, you talk a little, you're really good at what you do, and you can kind of, like, put me in my place. Like, nothing makes me eat that up more than, like, when they can come in and do that to my life.
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Joan Vos
Is that right? Because it makes Chalk sulk a little bit when I beat him. I beat him at tennis and I did a couple other things. Cornhole. He's like, all right, you're better at it.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Yeah. Chalk Shoulders acted up today.
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Joan Vos
Yeah, it was, you know, that wasn't on my game.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Yeah, right. I don't think we've seen him open up, like, internally. Wow. I just started so bad. He's. He's opened up about his own, like, internal self, but not his feelings towards these Women yet.
- [24:29]
Joan Vos
Yeah. Yeah. And I don't think.
- [24:30]
Jonathan Goldstein
I don't think he's given anybody real reassurance. He's waited for them to say something and agreed. I don't think he's really taken a chance to be like, hey, I want to let you know, I really, really see something with you going all the way.
- [24:43]
Joan Vos
Yeah.
- [24:44]
Jonathan Goldstein
And it may save him because it's not over promising. You know what I mean? A lot of people get in trouble because they do that.
- [24:49]
Joan Vos
Yeah, I know. But I do feel like at this point, when there's only, like, six left, you're usually getting a feeling from the mains, like, where, like, you usually get an idea about who they're really liking. And we definitely. I have no idea. Like, from the beginning, I thought this was Cheryl's to lose because she had that first date and it went really well. But now I'm like, I'm not sure if Cheryl's not in last place at this point. And I usually don't feel like that. I usually feel like the person that gets the first date, like, things grow a lot deeper because they had more time in the beginning and now they have things to build on. So I'm not really feeling that. That way about Cheryl. But I also am, like, so interested in all the interviews that are happening, kind of sprinkled in this date, like, after this date. And one of them, again, was Nicole. And she's like, having a conversation with other women who are not on this part of the date. And she's like, you know, I'm feeling a lot of negative energy and a lot of insecurities from these other women. And I'm feeling like that is making me feel more confident. And she's like. And I'm really in tune to people's negative energy. And so it's giving me confidence that I really am. That Mel really is going to pick me. And I'm like, you are so confused. I feel like she's so not in tune with the way things really are.
- [26:04]
Jonathan Goldstein
Yeah. I don't think that she realizes everybody's picking up on her energy as much as, like, she let on, like, she said everything that she did. And all the girls are like, yeah, we know why you're here. And they're just. I just have a feeling they're not fans. So she's taking. Their negative energy is like, oh, like, they're competitive. Like, they just are trying to get my man when it's like, no, they just don't like the reason that you're here to Be honest. Like, yeah, it's nothing against who you, who you are, what you're doing. It's, it's completely what you're doing. Like, that's the reason that that negative energy is there.
- [26:37]
Joan Vos
Absolutely.
- [26:38]
Jonathan Goldstein
She's just, I don't, I don't think she's thought internally enough about what she said and she didn't hold her cards close enough to like, like, if that's your intent, she know it happens on this show. We know it happens. People come on for the wrong reasons all the time. 20, 25, you know it's gonna happen.
- [26:55]
Joan Vos
But it's so weird because it's not really true in Golden's. So like, you know, like Gary season was so pure. Like none of us had a clue about Instagram. We knew nothing but my season. So pure. Like the guys were not there to be Instagram, you know, people. I feel like almost all the women here, not all of them, not at all. Like you can't even find them on Instagram. Hardly. I mean a few of them, but like really not at all. So when you look at these women, I feel like most of them are here really for the right reason. I feel like Nicole is a little bit of a out, you know, kind of. She's out there on her own right now, I feel like in that, in that respect.
- [27:33]
Jonathan Goldstein
Oh, and they say it too. They, they outwardly say it. She's. When they're, when are they like sitting all in a group and she's saying something along. Maybe they're at a table. I can't remember the exact moment, but Nicole. Oh, I'm looking to like monetize like my workout program, whatever.
- [27:49]
Joan Vos
Cooking. Her.
- [27:50]
Jonathan Goldstein
Her cooking thing. That's right.
- [27:51]
Joan Vos
She wants to be an. Or like a vegetarian cook or something.
- [27:54]
Jonathan Goldstein
Yep. And then it's like it's either Cindy Carroll or Cheryl. Too many C names. One of them goes, I'm just looking for a nice man. I'm just looking for a nice man. And I was like, I know, I'm just. That was her giving you a hint?
- [28:04]
Joan Vos
I think it was Carol.
- [28:05]
Jonathan Goldstein
Crazy stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [28:07]
Joan Vos
Well, she doesn't take hints and she is very, not very self aware at all. So. So then we go on to the date with Cheryl, who now I've thinking like used to have this really great relationship with him and now I'm thinking it's really faded a lot. But we're not knowing what exactly we're not seeing on tv. Obviously they're having interactions off of, off the screen. And again, Mel is In a bathing suit, and he's going for a cold plunge. This time. I'm like, they're putting Mel in a bathing suit a lot. I think they really, really like his physique. So he gets a lot of tummy time. I know it looks good, doesn't he? But she really doesn't want to do it. Like, she's like, I. I don't want to do this. This is freezing cold. This isn't my idea of a good time. I'm really. But you know, she has to do it. We all know she has to do it, so she does it. I don't feel like it's a particularly interesting date to me. I feel like they. They're in there. He looks cold. She looks cold. They're supposed to. It's supposed to clear your mind and allow your feelings to take over or something. I don't really.
- [29:09]
Jonathan Goldstein
Which is the last thing. Have you ever done a cold plunge?
- [29:11]
Joan Vos
Oh, yeah, it's miserable. Miserable.
- [29:13]
Jonathan Goldstein
The last thing it does is clear your mind. All you can think about is, like, keeping yourself alive.
- [29:19]
Joan Vos
You're like, has it been three minutes yet?
- [29:20]
Jonathan Goldstein
You literally, you're like, this is the.
- [29:24]
Joan Vos
Longest three minutes of my life. Yeah.
- [29:26]
Jonathan Goldstein
Can you get out of here?
- [29:27]
Joan Vos
And I just want to get out of here. I know. And she. And she's trying to be like a good sport and not act like a baby, but she is, like, really doesn't want to be in there. And I totally get it. I wouldn't want to go to the mud thing, and I certainly wouldn't want to go the cold plunge. And I've done one before, so I'm like, no, thank you. But I do feel like, you know, she comes out. Mel says it gives you clarity. He's really buying into all this stuff. He be bought into the mud thing. He's buying into this cold plunge. Like, he's kind of into it, like, in a bigger way than any of the women I feel like are. I feel like the women are all less into it except for baby Debbie and we'll talk about her next. But anyway, I feel like Cheryl wants to say, like, this cleared her mind. So it gives her a lead in to say how she's feeling about him. And she's. She finally. She kind of fesses up that she has really strong feelings with him. And then she kind of hesitates and says, like, actually, I'm. Actually I'm falling in love with you. And what does he do? The classic. I really appreciate that. And that's like the. That's like death. If he says that to you, you should get up and walk out and self eliminate.
- [30:26]
Jonathan Goldstein
Because I'm kind of maybe reading into this though, too. And you got to think about what this show does. You know what I mean? Like, every time there's a clear front runner, which she was in the beginning, you know, she had the first one on one. She, I. Her story was one of the ones that just, like, made me a tearjerker.
- [30:44]
Joan Vos
I just, I loved her. How she let go of that, being mad at him. She's a saint. He left her in the hospital with a new baby and she.
- [30:53]
Jonathan Goldstein
And then disappeared for a year and then.
- [30:54]
Joan Vos
And just.
- [30:55]
Jonathan Goldstein
And then kidnapped her child for a week.
- [30:57]
Joan Vos
I know, but yet she's like, I want them to have a relationship, so I'm going to forgive him.
- [31:02]
Jonathan Goldstein
And then he loves. And then he.
- [31:04]
Joan Vos
And then he died. I know.
- [31:06]
Jonathan Goldstein
I'm like, this is just.
- [31:08]
Joan Vos
Seriously? I was like, really?
- [31:10]
Jonathan Goldstein
Yeah. Insane. It's a movie. It's a literal movie.
- [31:13]
Joan Vos
And then you got to think about they.
- [31:15]
Jonathan Goldstein
Yes. But they have an amazing relationship up until this point. And, like, I. I know for a fact this happened with Joey and Kelsey too, where Joey was so locked in on Kelsey that, like, they had to be like, you got to give these other girls a chance. Like, you can't just be like, no, this one now. Done, Done.
- [31:31]
Joan Vos
Don't.
- [31:31]
Jonathan Goldstein
You know? And this could be one of those cases where it's like, maybe he does feel so strongly about Cheryl that, like, they're not showing that side of it. So that we don't know, maybe they're playing into it a little bit.
- [31:42]
Joan Vos
But in this moment, like, I believed that all up until this moment when he said, I really appreciate that. And then. But then he kind of went back a little bit and he said, like, I, you know, I had strong feelings for you on our first date, and those haven't gone away. And then she said, I'd really like for you to come to Colorado and meet my family. Or he said, what does. You know, what would a hometown look like? She said, you come to Colorado. My family. He said, and he says, I really like to come to Colorado. So he's kind of leading her on now.
- [32:08]
Jonathan Goldstein
Yeah, he's bringing her back for sure.
- [32:11]
Joan Vos
Yep. And then he does the date with Debbie. And Debbie's date was the one that would have made me so uncomfortable because they do the tantric yoga.
- [32:24]
Jonathan Goldstein
Yeah.
- [32:25]
Joan Vos
Which, like, I don't know what it is, but I could tell by that first pose that you kind of just. Yeah.
- [32:29]
Jonathan Goldstein
You Just kind of hold each other and like.
- [32:31]
Joan Vos
Yeah, hold each other. Like, okay, it was really odd. And, like, she has to straddle to him in the first one. And I'm like, okay, this is really uncomfortable. Yet they were so comfortable, which gives me kind of was starting to give me a hint. Like, I was thinking about rose ceremony all through this episode, like, really watching them to figure out who's gonna get a rose. And I kind of got a hint that maybe she was gonna get a rose. Cause they were so easy and so comfortable together and. But I also just can't figure out his type. They're so different. Every one of these girls is so different.
- [33:03]
Jonathan Goldstein
Mm.
- [33:04]
Joan Vos
Like, possibly Cheryl and Cindy are a little the same, but I feel like everybody else. Peg is a live wire. Debbie has never been married before and is just so genuine and sweet and just wants to have love so badly.
- [33:13]
Jonathan Goldstein
One of those ones that blows my mind. Yeah, she blows my mind with that, because she agrees. Stunning, too.
- [33:19]
Joan Vos
So cute.
- [33:20]
Jonathan Goldstein
Even the younger pictures they showed, I.
- [33:21]
Joan Vos
Was like, I know.
- [33:22]
Jonathan Goldstein
If she was, like, my age and I would. I would shoot my shot. I'd be like, okay.
- [33:27]
Joan Vos
I know. I know. It's just like you and April. Like, you and April on. On Paradise.
- [33:35]
Jonathan Goldstein
Yeah, I know. April's my girl. I love April.
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Joan Vos
I know. I know. I know.
- [33:38]
Jonathan Goldstein
But I. I do see what you're saying to Debbie. I think the attraction. The physical attraction is there is really.
- [33:44]
Joan Vos
Good, but it also goes past that. I feel like they have, like, a really good rapport. So I felt like after that date, I felt worse about Cheryl. I felt better about Debbie, and I ended up being right about that. But, like, I really loved. I love that Debbie could possibly be the one that she's finding love with.
- [34:03]
Jonathan Goldstein
Him, because that's such an amazing story.
- [34:05]
Joan Vos
It would be the best story because there's so few people. Like, that's one of the things, like, when you become a widow, like I did at my age, you become. It's very lonely. There's very few single people out there. All your friends are couples. So I can see her. She's been traveling this road for a lot of years of not being a couple, and that's. It's hard. It's actually really, really, really lonely.
- [34:23]
Jonathan Goldstein
But he said that similar to my mom.
- [34:26]
Joan Vos
Oh, is that right?
- [34:27]
Jonathan Goldstein
I've never seen my mom married. And it's. Those are one of those stories that I just, like, I connect to, and I want to see her.
- [34:33]
Joan Vos
She needs to be on this. She needs to be on the show.
- [34:36]
Jonathan Goldstein
Yeah. I know. She's a very entertaining woman too.
- [34:39]
Joan Vos
We'll talk. Yeah, she's your mother, obviously. So Nicole. So Nicole. And he went on, we should have.
- [34:47]
Jonathan Goldstein
Started with Nicole because there's a lot to show.
- [34:49]
Joan Vos
There's so much that's say. So much to say. And like, so not much to say because when it comes to she and Mel, there is like really nothing. And. But he came in and like, his commentary was like, nicole is one of my favorites because she made me lemon bars. And I'm like, I don't think he could think of anything else to say about her.
- [35:05]
Jonathan Goldstein
And that's what he said. I think he likes that she is all over him too. At least from early, early on she was just like all over him. And like, as a guy in this scenario, you have to go off of like any kill you can get. And it seems like for her, hers is very physical. So he's like, you know what? Hell yeah. Like, this is awesome. Yeah, Like a divorced dude and them. I'll take some physical attention. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's stunning. She's all into me. Done.
- [35:32]
Joan Vos
Makes me feel good about myself, makes me feel confident, like I'm a good looking guy. This beautiful woman is really attracted to me. So all this is good. I do feel a little like that was okay in the beginning. It was uncomfortable watching it. Like when they were in the pool, I was like, I need to turn this off. This is uncomfortable. I actually had my grandson laying in bed with me and he was trying to fall asleep. And I'm like, you can't watch this. Like, he's only. You shouldn't see this. So I did feel uncomfortable. But the fact that it never grew from the physical part of it was I think the biggest problem in the. In the long run. And. But so they did the thing where they had to turn over a card and they were supposed to like feel the energy from the card and they turned it over and it said, witness. And then the shaman said, you're supposed to. The witness observes things but doesn't take action. What have you observed in your life but you haven't taken action about? And Nicole very fittingly says, my fear of not being stable. And we're like, yeah, no. So I was like, yeah, we know that you have a stability issue. And she talks about that later in the episode. But okay, stability was the issue. And then Mel says, okay, I wrote it down because it was something that I thought was really weird. Stress. So he had already talked about like friction and now he's talking about stress. I'm like, we have a theme going on here right now.
- [36:46]
Jonathan Goldstein
Oh, yeah.
- [36:47]
Joan Vos
And we're learning a little bit about Mel. I don't know if we're ever going to learn any more about this, but there's something happening in his life that is causing him stress and friction. So I wish we would hear the rest of that, but so far we haven't. But maybe eventually we will. Maybe.
- [37:00]
Jonathan Goldstein
It's got to be something from. From the previous marriage, I'm sure.
- [37:03]
Joan Vos
Yeah.
- [37:04]
Jonathan Goldstein
You know, you're in this scenario where dating is the number one thing. It's got to be something along the lines with that.
- [37:09]
Joan Vos
It's got to be. Because it seems like his kids are in good places. So, like, so far, like, that's. Yeah.
- [37:13]
Jonathan Goldstein
I met them, too, at the. The Rams game when he had, like, he was getting honored. They're nice. They're quiet. They were nice. They were good kids.
- [37:19]
Joan Vos
Nice kids.
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Asma Khalid
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- [37:20]
Joan Vos
They seem like really good kids. But he. They finally are out of that weird shaman thing, and they are talking, and he says to her, what are your. Where do you see yourself in five years?
- [37:31]
Jonathan Goldstein
Yep.
- [37:32]
Joan Vos
And instead of saying, you know, I want to have a companion and I want to travel and I want to build a life with somebody and, you know, whatever. I love being a couple. She talks about her cookbook, and she talks about her financial situation.
- [37:44]
Jonathan Goldstein
My dad talk about her apartment.
- [37:46]
Joan Vos
Yeah. My dad says I don't have money. That she's like, I want to be. You know, I want to author this cookbook and. Oh, and my apartment is too small. But you live in this nice house, and I'd really like to live closer to the ocean. Like, implying that she's ready to move in with him just to make her life better. Because she lives in a small apartment. She obviously don't have any money. So that's when he finally, in an interview, says, I think I see some red flags here. And maybe this was what Robin was talking about.
- [38:16]
Jonathan Goldstein
Yeah. Yeah.
- [38:16]
Joan Vos
Back like an episode.
- [38:17]
Jonathan Goldstein
Also, that it didn't throw him off when she's like, just give me a kiss. Like, just for the camera.
- [38:22]
Joan Vos
Just for the camera.
- [38:23]
Jonathan Goldstein
That little cutaway. It was.
- [38:25]
Joan Vos
That was really weird.
- [38:26]
Jonathan Goldstein
A little moment that just said a lot more than just the three little. Like, for the camera.
- [38:31]
Joan Vos
You are so right. Just for the camera.
- [38:33]
Jonathan Goldstein
You know what I mean?
- [38:33]
Joan Vos
And why would she say that anyway? Because, like, supposedly she was into it. So I. I don't know.
- [38:38]
Jonathan Goldstein
Right.
- [38:39]
Joan Vos
So let's just move on from her, because I think we all know how we feel about her. And if somebody in the entire world thinks anything differently, like she's there for the right intentions.
- [38:46]
Jonathan Goldstein
Like also devil's advocate. Super quick before we move on too y I I know for a fact, especially now that I've been like out there dating. There's a lot of women like that, though. There are a lot of women that will relate to that as well, that are like, they do want to find somebody where they feel as if they will be taken care of for the rest of their days. You know what I mean? And it's not an insane feeling. You're just not in the right setting to be acting and speaking on it in that way. Yeah.
- [39:14]
Joan Vos
And that seems to be the only reason why she's there. Like she doesn't seem to care about the way he feels or the way she feels about him. It's all like getting to the end where she gets to live in a nice house near the ocean. It seems to me.
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Listen to heavyweight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So then the last date with Carol and that, like, I kind of felt sorry for both of them. Carol said she was having a really hard time settling down. She's feeling this angst. I think she's probably going over the script in her head saying, I gotta say goodbye. Even if this goes really well, which it generally doesn't, because it's a lot of individual. Like, all of these are kind of individual, like, you know. You know, thinking about yourself and about things you need to let go of. So theirs was a very nondescript date other than both of them had to talk about something from their childhood that was bad. And Mel said, friendship, which I was so surprised, like, that he wished he could give his, you know, younger self was friendship. And that sounded so weird because I felt like he came from this, you know, cool neighborhood in Detroit in, like, his, you know, his original package from the first episode looks like he was, like, the popular guy in the neighborhood. And, yeah, I was really surprised to say that. And then. And then Carol said something like connection and touch and that maybe she hadn't, like, felt that as she was growing up, which seemed very, like, very unusual. But the big part of this date was her self eliminating her saying, like, I originally saying, I don't think you're where you need to be. You're not gonna pick me to go in a hometown. It sounded like what she was saying, but then in her interview, she kind of backtracked on that a little bit. And she says, I just don't think Mel's my guy.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Yeah.
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Joan Vos
And that kind of put it back on her that she was taking more of the responsibility for, like, I didn't connect with him, not that he didn't connect with me. And I like that. It, you know, it gives her the power.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Yeah. I think in any scenario where, like, maybe something doesn't work out, you never should just blame the other person. You know, it takes two people to make a conn. Connection. It also takes two people to split up. You know what I mean? Like, yep, it is what it is. And I think rather than just being like, ah, he didn't choose me. He's not this, he's not that. She's just like, you know what? I just, I don't feel a connection. And clearly he doesn't enough either to choose me for the one on one. And that's okay, you know, I, my, my person is out there somewhere and I'm gonna go find them. You know, there's no animosity behind it. There was nothing. There's no anger. And he understood. He goes, hey, I respect you and I respect that you stick to your word and that you have to do what you gotta do because.
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Joan Vos
Yep. And that she's brave enough to do that.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Yep.
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Joan Vos
Because sometimes they just 100%, you know, I think that there are sometimes other women feel like maybe the guy or the girl isn't theirs, but they go all the way to the rose ceremony and they, you know, let the person do the hard job of not picking them. I like it when the people give themselves the power. I mean, if you don't feel like you're connecting, then you should go ahead and self eliminate. There's nothing wrong with it. Take, take the power back.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Hey, we love a strong woman. Don't give him the power. Come on now.
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Joan Vos
That's right. I agree with you. So now we finally get to see Cindy on a date, who I've been dying to see on a date. I can't believe it came down to the last one on one. I thought she would have gotten a date a thousand times more, but here we are, the last one on one. And she is so grateful to have it. And I love that that was kind of her sentiment.
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Jonathan Goldstein
And she was so cute in her little boots too. She's like, oh my gosh, this is a hike. I. This dude was not the right shoe choice. And then shows up and then it's horses and she's like, fuck yeah, cowboy boots on. We're about to whip Texas around la. Yeah, she's ready to go.
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Joan Vos
I love her. And I think that he loves like her Texas spirit, you know that she comes in in cowboy boots and these cute shorts and she just has a cute figure and she's adorable and she looks awesome in those cowboy boots and she's just owning her own, the whole Texas. And it kind of sets her apart from everybody else. Everybody else is, you know, kind of dressing the same. She's doing her thing, she's doing her Texas girl thing. So I think he likes that. He likes a little bit of that spunk. And we can see that he likes spunk because he really likes it in Peg. So I'm glad Cindy's bringing a little bit of that into the whole thing. So they take the horses up to the observatory.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Observatory.
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Joan Vos
Which is beautiful. And they have a banter going up there. I'm dying to go there. So next time I'm coming. I'm calling you. We're going to go hit a hike.
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Jonathan Goldstein
100%.
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Joan Vos
I really want to go. I would love to do that.
- [48:36]
Jonathan Goldstein
Please do. Yeah. On the horses. That was one of my favorite moments in the whole, like, episode two is like, he's this guy. Yeah. Playing football. Like, I'm not gonna get intimidated by a damn horse. He's riding along. You could see the, like, panic on his face. And he's like, nope, not me.
- [48:51]
Joan Vos
No.
- [48:53]
Jonathan Goldstein
She's sitting there watching him. She's like, okay, big guy, I'm let you do your thing. She's having the grand old time, just laughing her ass off at him internally, knowing that he's, like, kind of petrified.
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Joan Vos
So they finally get up to the top, and we finally get to know Cindy. Like, she talks about her past and that she had a failed marriage, which came as a surprise to her. And she talked about her daughters and talked about how hard it was. And I feel like we finally got to know, like, she was the perfect Cindy up until now. And then you get to see the vulnerable side of her. I don't think that he, though, joined in. Like, that would have been a perfect opportunity because he had a failed marriage to talk about his. And he didn't. Didn't talk about his struggles, didn't talk about raising those sons, you know, without the wife. I mean, I know that they had shared custody, but still, it felt like an opportunity for them to really connect on that. And it didn't happen. I was a little disappointed. But in the end of the whole thing, I felt like they had a really good connection. First of all, there was a lot of making out. So the physical connection was there. I felt like I'm like, finally kiss him. And it sounds like when she was talking to him on that date, she said, you know, I talked about being a biomedical engineer and a Chile leader and a valedictorian. She goes, but I got such a badass. Yeah, such a badass. Right? I know. I'm dying to talk to her. And we're talking to her for the next episode, but I feel like she has all these successes in her life, but then she had a failed marriage, and that's what? She's sticking, like, that's what's sticking in her right now. So I love that she got to talk about it. I wish he had opened up about his. But in the long run, I feel like they had a really good connection. So I was going into this rose ceremony thinking I knew he was going to choose. I, I, I felt bad when. When Carol self eliminated because she was kind of on my list of maybe a maybe. But I knew he wasn't going to choose Nicole.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Nope.
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Joan Vos
So then it just came down to a couple, so.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Which handled surprisingly well.
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Joan Vos
Yeah.
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Jonathan Goldstein
Which I was. I was kind of shocked about. I could have easily saw her, like, maybe having a little fit or a Tiffany, where it was like, I didn't.
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Joan Vos
Think she handled it well at all. I thought it was so inappropriate when she came out to the limousine. So he said, can I walk you out? And so they walk up the limiter, and what does she say? I wrote it down so I could quote this. Okay. She says, if it doesn't work out with the one you pick, and it probably won't, then call me. And then she said, I really mean that. That was terrible.
- [51:24]
Jonathan Goldstein
Okay. See, I, I just, I, I imagined her going in a direction of like, you, like, this isn't it. You should have picked me. Like, you messed up. That's like, I was, I was the one that was here for you. I'm fully, like, invested in you, not all these other ones.
- [51:36]
Joan Vos
Or like, look at me. I'm prettier than everybody.
- [51:38]
Jonathan Goldstein
Like, yeah, I could have seen something like that. But for her to just be like, okay, that's fine. Watch.
- [51:44]
Joan Vos
All right.
- [51:44]
Jonathan Goldstein
Watch it. Watch it fail. Watch it, Watch it. Yeah, but you hear, I'll be here.
- [51:49]
Joan Vos
I'll be here. You call me. Okay. So he picks his three. So he picks Cindy. He picks her first. I always wonder if the order makes a difference. I don't know. He picked Peg second, and then he picked Debbie third. So Cheryl didn't get a rose, and Nicole didn't get a rose. And so I kind of thought that maybe Cheryl might not get a rose, and I kind of thought that Nicole might not get a rose. Well, I know Nicole wasn't gonna get a rose, but I thought Cheryl might not. But I kind of. In my mind, it was between Cheryl and Peggy. I wasn't sure he was going to give Peg a rose. So. I love his final three. I think that they are all so different.
- [52:24]
Jonathan Goldstein
It's gonna be so fun.
- [52:27]
Joan Vos
I can't figure out his type, so. But. Oh, and then okay, Nicole, already campaigning. Maybe I'll be the next Golden Bachelorette.
- [52:36]
Jonathan Goldstein
Yeah, I mean, seriously, Nicole, if there was a list of, like, a multiple choice of things that I was, I thought she might say in her car ride home, that would have been my first choice.
- [52:44]
Joan Vos
So of course she's campaigning already.
- [52:46]
Jonathan Goldstein
That is. That was more on brand for what I thought she might try to say.
- [52:50]
Joan Vos
We should now move on because it's time for this podcast to end. I mean, it was so fun being here talking through episode five because I thought it was a great episode and I love recapping it with you. So let's say goodbye to everybody. Bye.
- [53:06]
Jonathan Goldstein
Bye, everybody.
- [53:07]
Joan Vos
And we will be back with our interview with Cindy.
- [53:11]
Jonathan Goldstein
Yeah, can't wait.
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