Joe & Serena’s 2025 Wrapped | Happy Hour

Summary

Bachelor Happy Hour – "Joe & Serena’s 2025 Wrapped" | December 31, 2025

Episode Overview

In this reflective New Year’s Eve episode, hosts Joe Amabile and Serena Pitt look back on 2025—sharing personal highlights, challenges, lessons learned, and their favorite Bachelor Happy Hour podcast moments of the year. With their signature banter and warmth, they tackle topics like major life transitions, work-life balance, behind-the-scenes realities of podcasting, and the transformative power of sharing contestants’ stories. Full of candid insights and memorable moments, this year-end wrap-up is equal parts personal reflection and love letter to Bachelor Nation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

2025 in Review: Personal Reflections

• Word of the Year

  • Serena picks “transitional” (04:26):
    She earned her green card, continued to adjust from Canada to the U.S., turned 28, and experienced both professional and personal changes. "[This] felt like a big transition year on a personal level for me. And professionally, I made some changes this year that have also felt very transitional." (04:41 – Serena)
  • Joe’s year was more stressful than enjoyable (05:45):
    "I actually found it to be quite stressful... I have, yeah, I've been like very anxiety ridden and very stressed out." (05:45 – Joe)
  • Looking Forward:
    Both anticipate a less tumultuous 2026, hoping to benefit from this year's big decisions (07:11).

• Standout Moments of 2025

  • Serena:
    • Achieving her green card after a two-and-a-half-year journey (07:20).
    • Dream trip to Japan and South Korea with Joe (07:27).
    • Family milestones, such as Joe's brother’s wedding.
  • Joe:
    • The saga of getting Serena’s green card, including a denied application due to missing paperwork.
    • His best man speech at his brother's wedding (08:09).

• Surprises of the Year

  • Joe’s marathon aftermath:
    “It really surprised me how painful it would be to lose a toenail from the marathon two months later." (08:19 – Joe)
    He details the ordeal of losing and removing his toenail, which makes him question running future marathons (08:36).

  • Serena’s marathon analogy:
    “I feel like that happens with the marathon, too. ... For three months after, you're like, that was so hard. ... And then all of a sudden, August rolls around and you're like, why wouldn’t I do it again?” (09:32 – Serena)

  • Discussion on childbirth:
    Joe marvels at what women go through to have children: “Women are just out here making people. It's crazy.” (10:55 – Joe & Serena)

• Relationship Intentions & Growth

  • Work-life balance as a couple who both work from home:
    Serena notes: “We both love working. ... But we both work from home together in our apartment. So there's like no boundaries.” (11:21 – Serena)
    • Joe jokes about needing to chill out, as his “off switch” is broken and he’s caught answering emails at 2 a.m. (12:08).
  • Quality time outside work and friendships:
    Joe wants to intentionally spend time with friends, e.g., golfing, and not just focus on the relationship (17:07–17:53).

• Habits and Mindsets to Leave Behind

  • Phone/social media:
    Serena has started using a Hatch alarm clock and puzzling at night to avoid scrolling on her phone. She wants to continue “working on my relationship with [my] phone and social media.” (18:07–18:57 – Serena)
  • Tidy habits:
    Serena aspires to prevent clutter from piling up and work on being more disciplined about staying organized (19:12).
  • Joe’s anxiety & desire to be chill:
    Joe reflects, “I have serious psychological issues with constantly worrying about things going wrong ... I need to work on going back to who I truly am ... more on the hippie chill.” (20:07–21:13)
    Serena gently challenges this view, poking fun at Joe’s self-description.

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Bachelor Happy Hour 2025: Podcast Highlights

• Favorite Guest or Conversation

  • In-person interview with Jeremy (23:48):
    Serena’s favorite was interviewing Jeremy during a “heated” period for him on the show, giving him the chance to share his side openly on the podcast.

    • "I do love it when we get the opportunity to give someone who's kind of in the heat... the space to share their story and how they're handling it." (24:35 – Serena)
    • Both hosts agree that in-person interviews allow guests to feel more comfortable and create more connection (25:02 – Joe).
      • “There is just something about interviewing people in person ... it just makes it a more ... comfortable experience for the guest.” (25:20 – Joe)

  • Podcast studio “wrapped” joke:
    Serena jokes about her “Uber Eats Wrapped,” transitioning to their own “Bachelor Happy Hour 2025 Wrapped” segment. She confesses playing for a Chipotle gold card for the high number of orders (22:31–23:12).

• Behind-the-Scenes of the Podcast

  • Serena describes the elaborate setup/take-down for recording at home and prepping for interviews (30:38).
    • “We fully set up and take down a podcast studio in our living room every single time we record this... There's a whole set in here right now to record this podcast that we literally set up and take down every recording.” (30:38 – Serena)
  • Joe discusses his interview style—preferring to ask spontaneous questions and learn on the spot due to his “very free spirited, curious” nature (31:28).

• Hosting Lessons Learned

  • On Judgment and Giving Grace:
    “I've learned just... always sitting here being aware that there are two sides to every story. ... Even if the person is wrong, you know, people make mistakes. ... None of us are perfect.” (32:16 – Joe)
  • Interview Techniques:
    Serena tries to listen actively and let guests’ answers guide the conversation, rather than rigidly following a set of questions (34:10).
    • “...Not being like, okay, we need to talk about this next... really listening to what they're saying and letting their answer guide us into what our next question is.” (34:37 – Serena)
  • Challenges of Remote Interviews:
    Both agree that not being in-person makes intimacy and conversational flow more difficult (35:00).

• Evolving Perspective on Bachelor Nation

  • Joe: “I don't even know if I've ever had a bad interaction with anybody off the show... Like, even if you watch somebody and you're like, that person's a dick... you’ll probably meet them in person and be like, ‘oh, never mind, they're great.’” (35:15–36:03)

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Memorable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• "Despite the fact that I've lived in New York for four years, this felt like a big transition year on a personal level for me."
  – Serena, 04:41
• "I actually found it to be quite stressful... I've been like very anxiety ridden and very stressed out. So I'm actually looking forward to midnight."
  – Joe, 05:45
• “It really surprised me how painful it would be to lose a toenail from the marathon two months later.”
  – Joe, 08:19
• "Women are just out here making people... It's crazy."
  – Joe & Serena, 10:55
• "We both work from home together in our apartment that we live in, so there's like no boundaries. Which most of the time is fine. But I think that's something that we are starting to become more intentional about..."
  – Serena, 11:21
• "I have serious psychological issues with constantly worrying about things going wrong... I need to work on going back to who I truly am."
  – Joe, 20:07
• "I do love it when we get the opportunity to give someone who's kind of in the heat... the space to share their story and how they're handling it."
  – Serena, 24:35
• “We fully set up and take down a podcast studio in our living room every single time we record this.”
  – Serena, 30:38
• "I've learned just... always sitting here being aware that there are two sides to every story. ... None of us are perfect."
  – Joe, 32:16
• “We never have any preconceived plan to paint [a guest] in a certain light... We really want to be a blank canvas for them to come on and tell their story their way.”
  – Serena, 33:48
• "Even if you think you can't stand this person, you'll probably meet them in person and be like, oh, never mind. Like they're great."
  – Serena, 36:03

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Notable Segments & Timestamps

• 2025 Year-in-Review Questions: 03:34 – 12:20
• Personal Habits & New Year’s Resolutions: 17:00 – 21:54
• Podcast “2025 Wrapped” Segment: 22:31 – 27:21
• Behind-the-Scenes Podcasting Realities: 30:38 – 31:28
• Lessons Learned in Hosting: 32:03 – 35:00
• Reflections on Bachelor Nation: 35:15 – 36:17

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Overall Tone

The episode is relaxed, candid, supportive, and humorous—reflecting the couple’s chemistry. Both hosts bring authenticity to discussions of the challenges faced in both their relationship and their roles as Bachelor Nation commentators. At every turn, their message is about growth, empathy, and the value of honest, open conversation.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

Whether you want insights on managing transitions, crave behind-the-scenes podcast details, or are just a diehard Bachelor Nation fan, Joe and Serena’s “2025 Wrapped” is full of laughs, lessons, and warmth. This year-in-review installment offers relatable reflections and an inside look at how the podcast keeps Bachelor Nation human and hopeful—one honest conversation at a time.

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Hey, everyone.

[Joe]

Welcome back to Bet yout Happy Hour. I'm Joe.

[Serena]

And I'm Serena.

[Joe]

And we are here today with a little New Year's Eve episode. Just Serena and I chatting it up, talking about this year, next year, and all the things in between.

[Serena]

Yeah, let's do it. We're gonna get into 2025, a little bit about us and our year, and then we're gonna do a little bit about the podcast and our 2025 recap.

[Joe]

And review all the things in between. Okay, so let's get. Let's get personal. 2025 personal. I'm gonna. I'm gonna start. You want to go question for question here?

[Serena]

Nah, you just do it.

[Podcast Advertiser]

Okay. Okay.

[Joe]

You ready?

[Serena]

I'm ready. Let's do it.

[Joe]

All right, let's start with this year as a whole. When you think back on it, what word would you use to describe it?

[Serena]

Oh, my God. Probably transitional.

[Joe]

Transitional.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Serena]

I got my green card this year.

[Joe]

You did?

[Serena]

I've done a lot of transitioning.

[Joe]

You have?

[Serena]

From Toronto to here. It feels like despite the fact that I've lived in New York for four years, this felt like a big transition year on a personal level for me. And professionally, I made some changes this year.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

That have also felt very transitional. So, yeah, I feel like it's a good word. I turned. How old did I turn this year? 28.

[Joe]

28.

[Serena]

People say when you turn 27, you develop like this sense of clarity, of like, what is serving you and what isn't serving you. And I definitely feel like I felt that when I turned 27, I felt like I went into 2025 because I have like a late October birthday. Being like, okay, I kind of have a vision for this year. And actually I Feel like I executed kind of like all the things that I went into this year wanting to do and some things, you know, surprises or some things got decided like later in the year. But I think overall everything worked out very well and will hopefully continue to work out very well.

[Joe]

Yeah, I didn't, Yeah, I didn't love this year personally. I thought it was. I actually found it to be quite stressful. Yeah, it's actually been more stressful, as I would say. Like it wasn't like the middle of the year was chill, like summer was chill. And it was more like since.

[Podcast Advertiser]

Like.

[Joe]

Fall has hit, which usually is like the opposite for us. But I have, yeah, I've been like very anxiety ridden and very stressed out. So I'm actually looking forward to midnight.

[Serena]

Yeah, I, I wouldn't disagree. I think this has been a big year for both of us for a lot of different reasons. But transition comes with a lot of stress and change comes with a lot of stress and decision making comes with a lot of stress and I think all good things. But I'm looking forward to a less transitional 2026 actually and kind of trying to sink into, I don't know, just like sinking into a place where we feel a little more. I actually just don't want to transition next year, I guess is what I'm saying. You know, like we did a lot this year, it feels like, and I am just hoping to reap the benefits of those decisions next year.

[Joe]

Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. Yeah. What's one moment from this year that really stands out to you?

[Serena]

I would say. Well, getting my green card was huge. I mean that was like a two and a half year journey.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

And that was just like. Yeah, a huge, huge moment in my year that I was working towards for so long and our trip to Japan and South Korea, I mean, really unforgettable.

[Joe]

Yeah, that was a big one.

[Serena]

Yeah. And we've been talking about doing that since we got together. It's been like a dream trip of mine and I'm just so glad we did it this year.

[Joe]

Yeah, I agree, I agree with both of those. Just like even like the montreal of it all of going to get your green card then having. Getting denied at first because we didn't have the. Some of the right paperwork having to go back. My brother got married this year.

[Podcast Advertiser]

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[Serena]

So that was an amazing.

[Joe]

There was that. So probably.

[Podcast Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Serena]

Your best man speech.

[Joe]

My best man speech. What surprised you most about this year, either personally or professionally?

[Serena]

Finally surprised me most.

[Joe]

It really surprised me how painful it would be to lose a toenail from the marathon two months later.

[Serena]

Yeah. Joe, a few weeks ago, had his big toe cut off. Sorry. His big toenail.

[Joe]

Oh. They had to stick a needle in there, numb it five times, slice it open. I watched the whole thing. I almost passed out. I was horrible.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Really has. Has made me really consider running marathons in the future. Like, it is.

[Serena]

I mean, it is so hard on your body. Not just your body. Like anyone that runs a marathon, the impact on your body is intense. I mean, there's no doubt about it.

[Joe]

It's one thing to deal with, like, you know, being sore and everything for, like, a week after and all that. Like, that's. But like, then when we linger on for, like, a couple months where, like, not. I have, like, a toenail that's half off. I gotta go get it removed. And then, like, the pain of that, I'm like, all right. Like, I. I love it. Like, pain, no game, whatever. But, like, no, no, I don't. I'm not. I'm not a professional athlete. I don't need to do it. So.

[Serena]

Yeah. So stay tuned for him running the marathon 2026. Because I just feel like. Feel like it's one of those things, like, you know how they say pregnant women give birth and it's, like, incredibly painful, but you get this rush of endorphins after you give birth that kind of makes you forget how painful it was. And because of that, women can do it again and again and again. Yeah, I feel like that happens with the marathon, too. Like, I feel like for three months after, you're like, that was so hard. My body took such a beating. And then all of a sudden, August rolls around and you're like, why wouldn't I do it again?

[Joe]

I sometimes think. Think about the act of having a baby of, like, the, like, delivering a child. Just, like, carry. Not even just delivering it. Carrying it for nine months has to a. Be so uncomfortable.

[Serena]

Yes.

[Joe]

It just has to be. Like, I would be. That would be, like, driving me insane. How uncomfortable that has to be. And then pushing it out of such a small.

[Serena]

Okay. Pushing it out of your body.

[Joe]

Pushing it out of your body. It is so, like, just that, like, if you actually sit back and just think about what's happening, it is so insane. It's, like, so wild. It is. It's. It's.

[Serena]

Yeah. Women are just out here making people.

[Joe]

Making people. It's crazy.

[Serena]

Yeah. We are really all just, you know, animals.

[Joe]

Okay, last question. That will jump to 2025. Podcast. Okay, what's something you're more intentional about in your relationships now than you were a year ago? Choose wisely.

[Serena]

Something that you're more intentional about in your relationship.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Serena]

I think for us, I was actually just thinking about this today is having a balance between work time together and personal time together. Yeah, we struggle with that. Which is fine because we both love working. We love working together, but we both work from home together in our apartment that we live in. So there's like no boundaries. Which most of the time is fine. But I think that's something that we are starting to become more intentional about and can get even better at next year.

[Joe]

Which is Serena's way of telling me to chill out. No.

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Which is fair because I have an off switch.

[Serena]

He really doesn't.

[Joe]

And no, I don't. And it keeps me up at night.

[Serena]

Yeah, and it's not good for you either. I'll wake up in the middle of the night and he'll be like on his email at 2 in the morning.

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[Serena]

Okay, but wait, there's another question on here. I'm gonna ask. Ready?

[Podcast Advertiser]

All right.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Serena]

And you have to answer, too. What are you becoming more intentional about with your relationships?

[Joe]

With my relationships?

[Serena]

It doesn't even have to be with me.

[Joe]

Yeah, I. I think it's. I think it's more about. I feel like I do a good job of this, but I think it's just. Just spending, you know, quality time with, you know, friends, family, and just, like, enjoying, you know, relationships in person.

[Serena]

In person?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

That's nice.

[Joe]

Yeah, I think it's just like.

[Serena]

I know.

[Podcast Advertiser]

I think I want to try to.

[Joe]

Be able to like something that I enjoyed this year that I didn't get to do too much of, but I do enjoy. Like, next year I'm gonna prioritize, like, being able to golf a little more with my friends.

[Serena]

I can't even believe you just said that. I feel like that's actually insane.

[Joe]

I feel like that is something that's quite important.

[Serena]

Yeah, I know, you know, you feel.

[Joe]

That way, but, yeah, I do think that's a good. A good, great thing.

[Serena]

Okay, wait, one more before. No. And I reject everything you just said, but one more question that will go on to podcast. Is there a habit or mindset you're leaving behind in this past year? Okay, so I, in the end of this year, have been really working on my relationship with my phone. I got a hatch alarm clock so that I don't sleep with my phone beside my bed. And Joe and I have been puzzling at nighttime so that we have something to do when we watch TV that's not scroll on Instagram. But I want to continue. I don't know if I'll be able to leave that in 2025, because I just don't think that's realistic. But I want to continue working on my relationship with phone and social media. I actually don't feel like I have an unhealthy relationship with social media in terms of, like, a comparison mindset. I just feel like I genuinely reach for it, like, as a. Like, a thoughtless habit that I don't need to, like. I'll get in an elevator and I'll try to open Instagram. What are you doing? You're going down seven floors? Like, that's insane. Yeah, so I want to work on that. And I Want to my other habit that I.

[Joe]

So this is like a. This is also like hybrid of a New Year's resolution type thing.

[Serena]

Yeah, this is a hybrid of a New Year's resolution. And my other one I think would be. I don't know. I want to work on like keeping a less cluttered environment. I do think we're actually pretty tidy but I just think I could. I let things pile up and then I do like a big tidy. Just trying to be more disciplined of being on top of it is a habit I want to leave in 2025.

[Joe]

I love that for you.

[Serena]

What about you?

[Joe]

I think that would be great. Be great for me as well. I will say that I need to like. The truth is I am very much a free spirit. More of. I'm more of, you know, just like hippie esque. Like I'm very chill person.

[Serena]

No, you're not. You are and you aren't. Like you are and you aren't.

[Joe]

No, I am. And sometimes I lose that side of me because I have. I have serious psychological issues with constantly worrying about.

[Podcast Advertiser]

Things going wrong.

[Serena]

Even intense level and anxiety.

[Joe]

I just can't Like I am instant. Like I go through pockets of every year. When I say pockets.

[Podcast Advertiser]

Months.

[Joe]

Just internally and outwardly panicking about things that just are A out of my control and B, like I do this every year and every year it's fine and I keep doing it. So I need to work on going back to who I truly am. Which you know is definitely more on the hippie chill.

[Serena]

I don't even know where you are not chill or free spirited. And I can be. But I wouldn't say you are at your core.

[Joe]

Yeah. And I want to. I need to spend a little more. I need to prioritize like more nature.

[Serena]

I love that. I would love to spend more time in nature.

[Joe]

I need, I need more time in nature to get back to my core of who.

[Podcast Advertiser]

Who.

[Serena]

Who you want to be.

[Joe]

I. Not who I want to be, who I really am.

[Serena]

I just don't know why you think you're a chill, free spirited person.

[Joe]

Like I am so chill.

[Serena]

I would say you're chill with me. And I like relationship in general. But as a person, you're pretty. You got some big feelings and that's okay. I love that about you.

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[Joe]

But it's, it's, it's. It's about how I express those feelings.

[Serena]

Yes, everyone has process those feelings.

[Joe]

Everyone has big feelings.

[Serena]

Yeah, but you have a lot of big feelings in one day that are very different from One another.

[Podcast Advertiser]

They fight with each other.

[Joe]

Okay, let's talk a little bit about 2025 podcast and. Okay, so now let's. We're going to Review Happy Hour 2025. All right, so when you look back on this year, what's a conversation or guest that really stood out to you?

[Serena]

Oh, my God. Are we doing our 2025 Bachelor Happy Hour wrapped? I love a wrapped.

[Joe]

Yeah. Okay, let's. Give me one.

[Serena]

Okay, wait, can I just tell you something? My number one Uber eats order on my Uber wrapped this year was Chipotle, and I really would love for them to send me a gold, but I was only in the top 10%, and I think if I get into the top, like, 3%, maybe they'll do it. Chipotle, if you're listening, how do you see your rapt. You go to Uber. It was there, and it's called your Uber.

[Joe]

I mean, I'm on you.

[Serena]

Do you see it?

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[Serena]

Oh, it might be gone now. You might have missed it.

[Joe]

I might have missed it.

[Serena]

But this is the Bachelor Happy hour 2025 wrapped, kind of.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Serena]

Which is so fun.

[Joe]

All right, so is there. When you look back on this year, is there a conversation or guest that really stood out? And now when we talk about this year, we have Grant, season of the Bachelor, and then no Bachelorette Yes. Bachelor in paradise, and Golden.

[Serena]

Yes.

[Joe]

And then obviously, like, the in betweens, people that we know that have come on, if any of those conversations stood out to you. So, um, yeah.

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[Joe]

What would it be?

[Serena]

I'm gonna have to go with our interview with Jeremy. We got to do that in person at the I Heart Studio in New York, which was really nice for us because we don't get to do a lot of interviews in person. And I mean, I hate to say it was fun for us because he was, like, really going through it, and there was a lot of opinions about his time on the show and the way he was acting. But I do love it when we get the opportunity to give someone who's kind of in the heat of, like, who's going through it, going through it, and, like, in the fire to sit down with them and give them the space to share their story and how they're handling it. Yeah, how they're handling it. What they're going through. I think it. He was, you know, he was open to being honest with us, and we were excited to give him that space. And we like Jeremy. And, yeah, I just thought that that felt good being like, oh, like, we're Gonna use this podcast to give this guy his moment. And that opportunity doesn't always present itself.

[Joe]

I completely agree. I agree. That's a good, that's a good call. And there is just something about interviewing people in person that it just makes it like we could have good conversations over Zoom. And we, we do, but it just makes it a more. I just feel like the guest is more comfortable.

[Sophie Cunningham]

I totally.

[Joe]

Because sometimes you can't always pick up on our energy over, you know, this little laptop screen. And yeah, I think people could come on and be very, like, cautious of just us.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And it just, it makes it harder for people to want to open up, which I, I totally understand. So it, there is that connection in person.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And yeah, it looks like Bailey and Jeremy are still really happy. So happy for them.

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[Joe]

What's something about hosting the podcast this year that people might not realize.

[Serena]

I mean, there's so much. I feel like we don't really dive into the behind the scenes of this podcast or how it works. I guess something people might not realize, and maybe they do, is like, we fully set up and take down a podcast studio in our living room every single time we record this. Like, we have a light on us right now. We have, like, full blown mic stands. We have systems attached to a work laptop. Like, we're doing our audio on GarageBand. Like, we do. There's, like a whole set in here right now to record this podcast that we literally set up and take down every recording.

[Joe]

It's also a very chaotic space right now, too, with, like, the Christmas tree and the lights and then Joe's laundry. Yeah, there's a lot going on.

[Serena]

There's a lot going on off camera in this space.

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[Serena]

But we do our best to make it look cute.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

On zoom.

[Joe]

And then you obviously always want to prep for anyone that you're interviewing, Even though, like, we watch them on the show, you want to get a little, you know, background into them. But sometimes I like to do less because I like to learn as I go, like, on the spot, because I'm a very free spirited, curious, very curious person that when someone says something that I find intriguing, I want to know more.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Curious George.

[Serena]

Curious. Curious Joe over here.

[Joe]

I'm losing my mind. Is there something you've learned as a host about listening, asking questions, or just showing up for our conversations? I could go first on that.

[Serena]

Okay.

[Joe]

Yeah, I. I would say from doing this podcast and interviewing people, definitely. I've learned just. I don't think I was a really judgy person ever going into this, but, like, you know, always, always sitting here being aware that there are two sides to every story. And even if the person is wrong, you know, people make mistakes. And, like, I think it's just going into every conversation not being judgmental because it's easy to do. And you watch some and, like, what reality TV is great at is making you feel a certain way about a certain person. And it's like, these are people and they're going through it. And even if they're not aware of the mistake they made, like, you know, let's take it easy. So I. I think it's just, like, giving people as much grace as possible because none of us are perfect. And, like, yeah, sure, it's easy for us now because we were a successful story on the show and everything went really well. For us. And we are in control of this podcast, so we could kind of, you know, we have a little more control, but, like, it's, you know, being able to just, like, understand, like, hey, it's just not as easy for some people, and some people don't get as lucky as we did, and that's just to just be like, mindful of that.

[Serena]

Yeah. I feel like anyone that comes on this podcast, we never have any preconceived plan to paint them in a certain life or light or make them come off a certain way. Like, we really want to be a blank canvas for them to come on and tell their story their way so that people can see their point of view.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

I think that my thing, from a more, like, logistical perspective is being prepared with questions and, like, the main things that we want to get to the bottom of and ask these people. Obviously, we want to be prepared and, like, know what the big topics are that we need to cover. But when they're answering a question, like, not being like, okay, we need to talk about this next. So, like, we're ask this next, like, really listening to what they're saying and letting their answer guide us into what our next question is.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

So it doesn't just feel like question, answer, question, answer, of trying to make it feel. Feel fluid and like a conversation. And, you know, if they say something interesting in their answer, like, pulling that thread.

[Joe]

Yeah. And I think that that is one of the more challenging that's.

[Serena]

I still struggle with that sometimes.

[Joe]

And that's also the challenging part of zoom and. And over and not in person interviews, because.

[Serena]

Doesn't feel as intimate or personal.

[Joe]

It just makes it harder to get, like, it makes it harder for the conversation to flow more organically and be able to pull things when zoom is involved.

[Public Investing Advertiser]

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[Joe]

Let's go one more, and then we will wrap this thing. Has doing this podcast changed how you think about Bachelor Nation or the people who come out of it? I've kind of always had, for the most part, the same thoughts as far as, like, everyone's like. Like, I've. I don't even know if I've ever had a. A bad interaction with anybody off the show that I've. That. That's been on the show. Like, even if you watch somebody, you're like, that person's a dick. Like, I don't think I've ever had a bad.

[Serena]

Yeah, I would say I'm pretty much always pleasantly surprised by our guests.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

And, like, I think that's a good thing for people watching to keep in mind is like, even if you think you can't stand this person, you'll probably meet them in person and be like, oh, never mind. Like they're great.

[Joe]

Definitely. Definitely great. Well, that wraps it. That is a 2025. Make sure you download and subscribe to Bachelor Happy Hour and everyone have a Happy New Year's Eve and good luck for 2026.

[Serena]

We hope you stay safe and you ring in the New Year however you wish to in the best way possible. Thanks for listening for the last year with us. Happy 2025. And here's to an amazing 2026. We'll have new and specific interviews for you guys every single week. Thanks for listening.

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[Joe]

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