Juliana on the breakup and future plans for Paradise

Summary

Bachelor Happy Hour – Episode Summary

Episode Title: Juliana on the Breakup and Future Plans for Paradise
Release Date: December 2, 2025
Hosts: Joe Amabile & Serena Pitt
Guest: Juliana (from Bachelor in Paradise)

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Episode Overview

In this candid episode, Joe and Serena welcome Juliana, a recent Bachelor in Paradise alum, for a raw conversation about her highly public breakup with Grant, navigating post-show fame, and her future—possibly back in Paradise. Juliana reflects on lessons learned, explores the nuances of being in the public eye, and sets the record straight on rumors. The discussion traverses dating, healing after heartbreak, friendship dynamics within Bachelor Nation, and how Juliana channels her experience into positive action and community work.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Life Update & Post-Show Projects

• Juliana’s Mindset Post-Breakup (04:27–04:51)
  • Juliana describes herself as "doing good" and feeling lucky. She’s enjoying success at her 9-to-5 and her new business, Nice Girls Label, launched with her sister in June.
  • “Just getting ready for the holiday season. Q4 is kicking my ass.” – Juliana (04:51)

2. Dating in the Public Eye and Stoop Dates

• Navigating Dating After Paradise (05:03–07:09)
  • Juliana shares about her first foray into “stoop dating,” a local blind date setup in South Boston, and challenges that came with her new reality TV fame.
  • On a potential relationship: “He told me like he couldn't handle the people coming up to him, asking him questions...so I was like, totally understand. No hard feelings.” – Juliana (05:44)
  • Serena comments on never having dated outside of the Bachelor world, amazed by the unique challenges Juliana faces.

3. Would She Return to Paradise?

• Contemplating Another Reality Run (07:11–10:35)
  • Juliana feels far enough removed from her breakup to consider returning to paradise but would approach it differently.
  • “I would hold my cards a little bit closer to my chest and just try and, like, get to know everybody—whether it’s on a friendly level or something romantic.” – Juliana (08:13)
  • She’s wary of changing show formats and the possibility of running into her ex.

4. The Prospect of Seeing Grant Again

• Handling Ex Encounters (10:35–11:41)
  • Juliana opens up about how hard it would be to see Grant on the beach and admits she might leave if he arrived.
  • “I would probably pack up my stuff and go the minute his feet touched the sand. But that would just be for my peace of mind.” – Juliana (11:00)

5. Friendships & Updates

• Supporting Friends’ Relationships (11:41–12:41)
  • Shares joy for her friend Ali Jo’s happiness with Sam, another Bachelor alum, and how their romance blossomed after the show.

6. Moving Forward with Grant

• On Terms with her Ex (12:41–13:12)
  • Juliana and Grant do not talk, though there was some communication post-breakup. She’s puzzled by his claim that they hadn’t spoken.
  • “No, we don’t talk. We have talked since the breakup ... But, you know, we don’t talk. I wish him well, to be honest.” – Juliana (12:51)

7. Hindsight: What She’d Tell Herself Night One

• Advice to Her Past Self (18:23–19:39)
  • “Ask more questions... There’s too much focus on making sure they know who you are, but you don’t always ask about them ... I would have just tried to like poke the bear a little bit more and try to make sure he knew my hopes and dreams.” – Juliana (18:38)

8. Details of the Breakup

• When She Realized it Was Over (21:03–24:22)
  • Juliana describes waking up after the finale press with a sense of isolation. Details a painful morning when Grant discussed “game-planning” their breakup announcement before she’d made up her mind.
  • “After everything I felt like I did for us and putting myself on the back burner, like, it's back to the optics. It's back to what people are gonna think, and, like, not about us and our relationship.” – Juliana (24:14)

9. Addressing Online Rumors & Fallout

• Pushback from Other Cast Members (24:52–25:59, 32:39–35:57, 41:39–43:59)
  • Juliana calls out fellow contestant Carolina for leveraging Juliana’s breakup for her own publicity, referencing Taylor Frankie Paul: “That’s a snake in the grass, and I’m not a gardener. So she can live there all she wants, but I’m not going to take her out.” – Juliana (25:47)
  • On rumors spread by Latia and Zoe regarding her sex life: “To bring another woman’s sex life into a public conversation... is disheartening, and it’s ugly behavior, and that’s not the case and that wasn’t the case... I would just love to put that to bed.” – Juliana (41:39–43:59)

10. Friendship Dynamics and Betrayal

• Complicated Relationship with Latia (32:39–35:57)
  • Latia prematurely told other cast members about Juliana’s breakup, breaking Juliana's trust. Though Juliana gave her “grace,” they now maintain a distant friendship.

11. The Toll and the Healing

• Emotional Fallout and Recovery (36:26–39:45)
  • Juliana admits to being a “shell of a human for a little bit” after filming, withdrawing to cope, but found healing in returning to her roots and giving back to her Boston community, inspired by her father’s charitable spirit.

12. Moving for Love?

• Her Openness to Different Locations (39:45–41:18)
  • Asked about relocating for a relationship, Juliana is open but says, “Boston will always be my home ... but I’m open.” (40:31)

13. Final Word: Bachelor Nation Crushes

• Reluctance to Name Names (44:03–45:09)
  • Teased about which men in Bachelor Nation she might be interested in, Juliana playfully declines to name names, citing privacy.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I think I would just have to be in a mindset where I want to meet somebody from within Bachelor Nation on a beach and just kind of have fun with it.” – Juliana (10:17)
• On her healing journey:
  “Luckily, my sister and I had the brand and the platform of Nice Girls Label ... when I was there, it wasn’t Bachelor Juliana. It was trying to spread the message of kindness, inclusivity, and just loving yourself.” – Juliana (39:20)
• On rumors:
  “I was mortified that people that didn't know me would think I, you know, slept with this man just to get a ring... I would be embarrassed for saying that, because I think as women, we do have to stick together.” – Juliana (43:39)
• On lessons learned:
  “Hindsight is the best sight, but I think I, you know, I let myself down in a lot of ways throughout the whole process, and that, to me, was like—I think what hurt the most.” – Juliana (20:30)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Life/Business update: 04:27–04:51
• Stoop dating and post-show dating challenges: 05:03–07:09
• Possibility of returning to Paradise: 07:11–10:35
• Thoughts on seeing her ex again: 10:35–11:41
• Advice to her past self: 18:23–19:39
• Emotional timeline of the breakup: 21:03–24:22
• Addressing Carolina’s comments: 24:52–25:59
• Addressing Latia & Zoe's rumors: 41:39–43:59
• Healing and community focus: 36:26–39:45

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Episode Tone

The tone is honest, vulnerable, and at times bittersweet. Juliana is open about her heartbreak, mistakes, and personal growth, providing Bachelor Nation fans with rare behind-the-scenes perspective and clarity on tabloid rumors.

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For Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In

This episode is a must-listen for Bachelor Nation fans curious about how reality TV relationships unravel off-camera, the cost of dating with a following, and what healing looks like after heartbreak in the spotlight. Juliana’s journey is both cautionary and uplifting, marked by self-awareness, candidness, and a commitment to growing past the rose-colored drama.

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[Joe]

Hey everyone. Welcome back to Voucher Happy Hour. I'm Joe.

[Serena]

And I'm Serena.

[Joe]

And we are here today with Juliana. Juliana, welcome back to Voucher Happy Hour.

[Juliana]

Thanks for having me, guys.

[Serena]

No problem. Where are you today?

[Juliana]

I'm in Newton, Massachusetts. I'm at my parents house today.

[Serena]

Nice. Last time we had you on this podcast was post finale. I think we did like a little catch up with you and Grant. You guys were about to go on a trip with your family.

[Joe]

Jesus, Serena, don't rub it in.

[Serena]

Well, that's last time we saw her. That's just a fact. Yeah, you know, a lot's happened since then. We're going to get into it.

[Juliana]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Serena]

But how are you doing now? What's new? Catch us up.

[Juliana]

I'm doing good. Everything's been going really great lately in life, which I'm really lucky for. Just crushing it in my nine to five. And me and my sister launched our nice girls label back in June. That's been so fun and so amazing.

[Serena]

And.

[Juliana]

Yeah, just getting ready for the holiday season. It is. Q4 is kicking my ass.

[Joe]

What? What has dating life been like for you. Are you dating?

[Juliana]

So I have, I have been dating. It's been really fun. But recently I actually went on like what they call a stoop date.

[Serena]

And okay, I saw this, I think.

[Juliana]

Yeah. So I just moved to Southie in September and they have, her name's Jules and she does stoop dating. So she'll like, people will apply and then she'll like matchmake you before you know like who you're going to be dating. It's like a blind date, but on a stoop and Southie, like on her front steps. And that went really well. It was fun, it was cute. We went on a couple of dates afterwards, but unfortunately he told me like he couldn't handle the people coming up to him, asking him questions, sending him DMS about me. So I was like, totally understand. No hard feelings.

[Serena]

Gosh, that's so interesting. Weirdly enough, I've never dated outside. Sorry, I'm just like, my brain's just glitching. Cause I'm just realizing that since I went on the show, I never dated anyone not on the show because I got engaged on the show. So I never experienced what it's like to date after being on reality television. And the fact that people reach out to this person that you've been on a few dates with is wild to me.

[Juliana]

Yeah, I mean, you know, it's, it's still like I think brand new for people to see me dating. And it was a public, you know, like dating podcast per se, so I think people were invested and kind of wanted to do their own research. I think I've learned and I will be keeping my next relationship a little bit more on the down low.

[Joe]

Yeah, I think if you like, if you, if you start dating someone and then like six months down the road, like you post like a photo of like our six month engagement, like I don't think that would have the same reaction opposed to like meeting somebody on like a virtual.

[Serena]

Right. I guess that kind of opens the door because you're sharing like, oh, I'm meeting this person and we might date and then it kind of opens the door for people to feel comfortable commenting on it.

[Juliana]

Yeah, totally. It's fair.

[Joe]

You know, I assume when they started casting for this past season of paradise, you were pretty like newly single. So I'm assuming that's probably why you didn't do it. But if they were to ask you to do the upcoming season, would you?

[Juliana]

Yeah, I think I'm far enough away from like kind of the emotions of everything that I went through. It was, like, challenging to even comprehend the thought of, like, going on another dating reality show. But, you know, I learned a lot, and I'm sitting here a better person than I was before I went on. So I. I would. I would be interested. Yeah, maybe. We'll see.

[Joe]

Okay, so. So let's say you agree. You're packing your bags.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Joe]

What is your plan? What do you. What do you. You have. You. You've seen paradise before, I'm assuming. Did you watch this last season?

[Juliana]

I watched a little bit of it, yeah.

[Joe]

Okay, so what's going through you? What's the plan?

[Juliana]

I think it's just to go in with, like, a super open mind. You know, when you go on the Bachelor, it's like you know who you're going for. So you're kind of laser focused, I think, on, like, getting to know them and making sure they know you. But I think I would hold my cards a little bit closer to my chest and just try and, like, get to know everybody, whether it's on, like, a friendly level or something romantic that I could see. See, I have no idea how I would do with, like, those, like, physical challenges, to be honest. That would probably send me over the edge. But if Gia Judiche can be the. The queen of whatever show she was just on where they really, like, tore her down, like, I feel like I.

[Joe]

Could do special forces, right?

[Juliana]

Yes.

[Serena]

I was like, wait, what? And then, yeah, I. That. We didn't watch that season. We've only seen a few episodes of that show, but that show is intense, and you do have people that don't come out of, like, sports backgrounds or Olympians or whatever that, like, do go on and they just crush it.

[Juliana]

Right. I know. And I thought to myself, like, you know, seeing them on Bachelor in Paradise, I was like, damn, it gave me kind of, like, PTSD from the basketball date. Like, I am not, like, a physical activity type of gal. But, like, if you put me in those positions, I guess, like, just something in me takes over. So I feel like there's a slight chance I could have, like, you know, a chance at crushing it. I don't know.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

I'm curious to see if the formatting changes or stays the same or what ends up happening next season. Does that.

[Joe]

I think it changes, FYI.

[Serena]

I think it changes too. Does that kind of play into your decision at all of, like, ooh, I could be walking into something that I don't actually know what it is because they did kind of blindside them this season with, like, the competition Element, the money, the new format, all the things.

[Juliana]

Yeah. I think, I mean, regardless, I would be putting myself in a, like, a new position and really just trying to, like, go into it with, like I said, an open mind for whatever comes my way. I don't know that if they, you know, announced they were changing the format, if that would sway me one way or the other. I think I would just have to be in a mindset where I want to meet somebody from within Bachelor Nation on a beach and just kind of have fun with it.

[Joe]

Would you be okay with your ex being there?

[Juliana]

That's how you guys met, right? Or re.

[Serena]

We met on Paradise.

[Joe]

That was that situation. But, yeah, that wasn't like you. You don't know, going into it. So, like, yeah, going into Paradise. You don't know. And then all of a sudden, you know, Grant comes walking down. Is that.

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Can you handle that?

[Juliana]

I like to think yes, but I, you know, I don't know what. Emotions kind of would come flooding out of me if that was the case. If that, like, came to reality, I'm sure my heart would, like, sink, you know, a little bit. And I know it would be a bit uncomfortable to see him talking and kind of forming those relationships, but then I would also be, like, kind of self conscious about him seeing me do that without trying to upset him. So it would be really hard to navigate, to be quite honest. I would probably pack up my stuff and go the minute his, like, feet touched the sand. But that would just be for my peace of mind. No bad blood, nothing of like, that nature.

[Serena]

Yeah. You're good friends with Ali Jo, right?

[Juliana]

Yeah.

[Serena]

She didn't find love on the show, but it seems like her and Sam.

[Joe]

M. Are they still together?

[Serena]

I was going to ask. Are they still together?

[Juliana]

Yeah, they're doing great. You know, they're managing the long distance really well. I just. I see her glowing and she seems really, really happy. So I thank Sam for giving my girl a little love that she deserves.

[Serena]

I was bummed that they didn't cross paths because they definitely were both going into the show interested in one another. I mean, they both had said it before filming on this podcast, I think, so we were kind of waiting to see them cross paths because I don't think it was any secret that they were both interest. Interested in each other. And obviously he was gone before she made her way. So I was happy to see them connect after.

[Juliana]

Yeah, me too. Everything. Everything works out the way it's supposed to. So if they didn't meet on the beach. They were definitely sure as hell gonna make sure they met outside the beach.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Joe]

After the way everything played out for you. A do you. Are you and Grant on good terms? Do you guys talk or. No. Just like whatever.

[Juliana]

No, we don't talk. We have talked since the breakup, which is, I think why I got a little defensive when he said we didn't. Just because I didn't understand the logic behind that. But, you know, we don't talk. I wish him well, to be honest.

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[Joe]

If you could go back to night one and be like a little angel on your shoulder, what would you tell yourself? What would you warn yourself?

[Juliana]

Like, knowing what I know now.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Juliana]

Ask more questions. I think in the heat of the moment, you feel like a lot of this is getting somebody to get to know you. I don't think there's too much focus on making sure they know they know who you are. So, you know, asking questions just about his goals, his life, dreams, where he sees himself, you know, after all of this. And to be quite frank, I don't think that even had I asked those questions that I would have gotten, like, not to say truthful answers, because that's, like. I don't mean to say he's, like, lied or any of that. I just mean I don't think he knew the answer to those questions. So I don't know what answers he would have given me, but I definitely would have just tried to, like, poke the bear a little bit more and. And try to make sure he knew my hopes and dreams.

[Serena]

That's.

[Joe]

Yeah, that's. That's really important. And I think you make a good point, because I don't think a lot of people do that. And I didn't even really think about that until we. We interviewed Peg and Mel. And that was one of Mel's things about Peg was like, she asked me questions, a lot of questions about my family and about myself.

[Juliana]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And I think, yeah, well, because when you're. When you're a contestant, you're also, like, trying to stand out amongst 30 other people. And it does become this game of, like, I need to let the lead know who I am.

[Juliana]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And then everyone gets so long, and then everyone's like, I don't even know this guy. Literally, that's what happens. So I think that's. I think that's really common, and I think that's something that, like, people should start doing more.

[Juliana]

Yeah.

[Serena]

It's so hard. It's so hard to, like, figure out the best way to make the most of your limited time on the show, for sure.

[Juliana]

And, I mean, you know, there were things, like, afterwards, like, after filming, after the finale, I just, like, the way I try to look at it is exactly. That is like, what. What could I have done better for myself? And there's a lot of things, you know, like, hindsight's the best site, but I think I, you know, I let myself down in a lot of ways throughout the whole process. And that, to me, was like. I think what hurt, I think the.

[Serena]

Most, honestly, at what point after the finale were you kind of like, hmm, maybe this isn't going as well as I had hoped it would go? Like, was it kind of a slow decline, or was it, like, what was that? What did the breakup process kind of look like.

[Juliana]

Honestly, you know, like, I know Grant and I have tried, like, our very best to kind of keep a lot of things under wraps just because I know that he cares about me, and I do care about him, and I don't want him to have any negative backlash by any means. But I think there's a little bit of clarity due here, where I will say I woke up from the morning after. Wasn't the finale the morning after the finale. It was the next morning after we had sat through all of this press. I woke up, and there were some words exchanged between the two of us that made me just feel completely alone and isolated and, like, I didn't even know why I had tried to stick around for as long as I did. And it was, like, heartbreaking for me. Like, that flight home from LA was like. My sister, luckily, was with me. She stayed with me to do my glam for all the interviews, but I couldn't have done it if she wasn't by my side. I was, like, depleted as a. As a human.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Do you want to share what those words are, or. No, you don't have to, so.

[Juliana]

No, no. I mean, I think the thing I would like to share is that, you know, I had expressed some severe hurt, you know, and I felt like I was kind of carrying a lot of the emotions between both parties throughout the entire, like, watching it back, because I had a support system.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Right.

[Juliana]

And I knew I could lean on my people. I was good. I could put my stuff on the back burner till I needed to deal with it. So, like, his mental headspace was, like, my top concern because I cared about him and I wanted to make sure he was okay. And he was getting a lot of backlash. And ultimately, you know, I had watched things back because I couldn't hear things like live in light, live time, I guess that what you want to call it. But, like, I had watched things back and I had knew basically everything. Nothing Latia said had, like, struck a nerve. I think it was just a matter of how it was handled from his end and trying to get him to take some accountability in that. And I was really upset, and I probably spoke out of anger and said some really hurtful things that night before. And then when we woke up, the first thing he said to me was, like, he had game planned, like, different ways we could announce our breakup. And I hadn't even made that decision on my end, and I was supposed to be leaving to go to la. I mean, to come home from la. And I was like, that's how we're gonna start this day and have this conversation. And after everything I felt like I did for us and putting myself on the back burner, like, it's back to the optics. It's back to what people are gonna think. And, like, not about us and our relationship. It's what the outside world thinks. And I just. I couldn't handle that anymore.

[Serena]

Yeah, the audience. I think it's hard. The audience sometimes becomes a third person in your relationship.

[Juliana]

Yeah.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Juliana]

So that was rough.

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[Joe]

That's very tough as we laugh. No, it is.

[Juliana]

We're over.

[Joe]

Okay, so we do. I think Carolina did recently did a podcast, Ben and Ashley's podcast.

[Serena]

Yeah, Almost Famous.

[Joe]

Almost Famous.

[Serena]

Have you heard any clips from the podcast or anything about what was said by her?

[Juliana]

No, I just. I saw the teaser pop up on my Instagram where she said she's going to be very honest about her thoughts on me, but, you know, in the nicest way possible. I simply do not care. I don't have the time or energy to listen to what she thinks of me or how she felt I was or how, you know, how she views me. I think that, you know, when she started to utilize my breakup as a way for her to get some, like, clout online or to kind of come back into the limelight and speak her truth on our relationship and then go ahead and text me to let me know that she was strategically doing things online, but private, privately wishing me well again. I say this in the nicest possible way. But in the wise words of Taylor, Frankie, Paul, that's a snake in the grass and I'm, I'm not a gardener. So she can live there all she wants, but I'm not going to take her out.

[Joe]

Do you watch, do you watch the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives?

[Juliana]

I don't really obsessed with it. Yeah, it's on my list of things like to watch especially with Taylor being the new bachelorette. I to know her. I think she's so cool and unique, like for all the reasons. And so I'm, I'm excited.

[Joe]

Yeah, I think it's going to be, I think it's going to be real. I think it's going to be a really good season.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Joe]

What was I going to ask? Who are you friends with from your season? Is there anyone that you actually still talk to now?

[Juliana]

Oh, yeah, I talk to Ali. Joe, of course. I see her quite a lot when I go to Florida. I talked to Parisa and Beverly. You know, there's a few girls that we just kind of like show love online. Don't like really text all that much. But you know, I have love for all the girls on the season and I'm silently all of their fans.

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[Serena]

Are you one of those people that starts your holiday shopping in, like, July?

[Joe]

July? I mean, no, never. Like, I like to shop. Actually, I like to shop on Christmas Eve because I find it to be a little more festive.

[Serena]

But you, like, start decorating right after Halloween?

[Joe]

No, after Thanksgiving. Okay, that's different.

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[Joe]

Halloween? No, not Halloween.

[Serena]

You know, I consider myself to be a pretty good gift giver. I've got my list and I've checked.

[Joe]

It twice, probably three times. She takes the holidays very seriously.

[Serena]

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[Joe]

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[Joe]

Are you and Latia good? Was there ever, like, beef with you.

[Serena]

Guys or, like, a conversation had between you guys? No.

[Juliana]

I feel like I'm just, like, spilling all the tea here today, but do it. You know, I think it's not something I want to, like, talk too much about because it's something I've, like, kind of healed and moved on from, to be honest. But me and Latia's relationship was pretty complicated from, like, the first ever FaceTime we had. It was me, her, and Seraphina. And I had spoken to, like, the other girls, and, you know, no one had, like, really confirmed or knew how it ended. And everyone was treading so lightly and cautiously with me, and I appreciate them all so much for that. And her and I and Seraphina were doing the same thing, just kind of, like, catching up. And then she sprung it on me towards the end of the call that, you know, her producer had told her how everything ended, and I was totally caught off guard, and I was like, oh, shit. Like, I haven't told any of the girls. I hadn't even told Allie Jo. I was just, like, so, so anxious. And I walked her kind of through, like, everything that happened in the best way. That was, like, kind of the most polite. I felt so uncomfortable and sad. But I knew she kind of wanted to know, and I wanted to give her maybe some. Some closure with that. And I expressed that, you know, I was really, really, really anxious for the other girls to find out. I didn't want it to deter, you know, our friendships. And she promised me, you know, she wouldn't tell anybody, and she did. And she told multiple girls. And they. They called me and said, let's see, I told me the news, blah, blah, blah. And, you know, they were all so gracious about it. And it's not about the fact that I didn't want them to know. It was just I was in such a fragile kind of timeframe right then, and I was trying to find the words and also understand everything I had just been through. And so I think from there, I told my sister, and I called one of the producers who she was like, there's no way, you know, her producer would have said that. And, like, that's a he said, she said that. I don't ever think I'll care to know the true truth of it all, but, you know, it rubbed me the wrong way, and it made me upset, and it made me a little bit weary of the friendship. And I try my best to, like, put myself in her shoes, and I don't know that I would have done that, but I could understand, like, the emotions driving those behaviors. So I gave her grace with that, and we continued to kind of just have a, you know, friendship at arm's distance. And towards the end of things, I was texting her, you know, saying, you did. You did great. Like, this can't be easy, you know, I wish you well. And I texted her before the live show, being like, you know, at least we get to, like, serve on stage together one last time. Like, I know it's going to be really hard. And she didn't answer. And I think that's when I started to kind of sense I. I was unsure of the magnitude of. Of her feelings about it all. And I wasn't going to intrude myself in her healing process or prevent her, make her feel like she couldn't speak her truth because we had a relationship. So I thought it was best to kind of, like, withdraw myself, and that's what I did.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Damn. What show were you on? This is.

[Serena]

This.

[Joe]

This is a test. Did you ever think when you, like, signed up for this and when you got ready to go on, did you ever think, like, this would be your experience? Because it is pretty. I mean, you're. It's.

[Serena]

It's.

[Joe]

It sounds pretty heavy. Like, as we're asking you all these questions, I'm kind of like, damn, yeah, this is.

[Serena]

This.

[Joe]

This kind of sucked.

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[Juliana]

Honestly, you know, it felt like it did in the moment. And, like, I'm not lying. When I, like, was a shell of a human for a little bit after the finale and even throughout watching it all back, I totally disassociated and just. Was like, I just got to get through it. I just got to get through it, and then I can figure my shit out, you know? But it was. It can end in all sort of ways. Right? Like, sometimes they'd never. They don't get engaged to either. Sometimes, you know, it's. It's you. Sometimes it's not. Sometimes you get sent home night one. So I kind of just went in being like, I really hope this is all awesome. It was when we came back from filming, when things started to get all weird and, like, uncomfortable, and I was like, what? Like, can I, like, opt out? Like, can we just, like, end the season early? Like, I'm good. Like, don't show me on TV anymore. Like, I appreciated all the love and support that I got because that was insanely overwhelming in the best way possible. But it doesn't really mean as much when you're internally fighting some hard battles. And I felt like it was just one thing after the other.

[Serena]

Yeah, yeah, you got hit with a lot. What did your healing journey look like?

[Juliana]

Just surrounding myself with my people again. I think a really cool thing about why I wanted to come back to Boston after all of this was because, you know, Newton in particular is a place that shaped me as a person, as a daughter, as a friend, and all these things. And I think Boston is a little underrated in a lot of, like, categories, from fashion to entrepreneurship businesses. And, you know, I think the healing part of me was the ability to give back to my community. You know, small side story is my dad started at Honda Village in Newton Corner as a valet, like, over 40 years ago. And he worked his way up to. He's now the general manager there. And his favorite thing is, like, giving back. And he's making a change in, like, the lives of people he sees on a daily basis. And I think that that was my goal, and he is my role model. So I just really locked in on, like, okay, now I have, you know, over 100,000 people that care about me. What can I do? And it was. I can give back to the people that helped me get here. And that was just, I think, what I, like, dove into. And luckily, my sister and I had, you know, the brand and the platform of Nice Girls Label to show up to all these really amazing fundraisers and galas. And sure, like, the notoriety from the Bachelor is maybe what they wanted me there for, invited me from. And I'm so thankful for that. But when I was there, it wasn't Bachelor, Juliana. It was trying to spread the message of, like, kindness, inclusivity, and just, like, loving yourself through the mission of Nice Girls Label. And I think that that has helped heal me tenfold because it's making me focus on really positive and healthy things.

[Joe]

Would you consider. So, I mean, that all makes sense. And I think, like, going back and, like, being in Boston, where you're from and around your friends and family is, like, really important because it's just. Okay. Like, this is my. This is. This is real life. Like, everything else was just kind of like this experiment that I did that didn't really pan out. But let's say you were. Hypothetically, you were to go on paradise, and you do meet someone, and he lives in Wyoming. Are you. Are you.

[Serena]

Can we go, like, Chicago, New York?

[Joe]

He lives in Chicago. Like, are you. Are you willing to. To potentially move for someone else, or is it like, I want you to come to Boston?

[Juliana]

No, I. I think that I'm open. I think that, you know, Boston will always be my home, but, like, home in the sense of where I feel like most at ease. And I think that if somebody is willing to include me in their life, in their home, like, of course I would give them the opportunity to show me that. It just would have to be. It would have to make sense. I. You know, I also had a 9 to 5, and I have a 9 to 5 that keeps me kind of locked in at Boston. And I'M and so, like, a lot of things would have to change. But it's not to say that I'm so dead set, like, never leaving. Like, shoot, I want to move to Florida. You know, I'm trying to figure that out, like. But I'm open.

[Joe]

Nice. Yeah, go ahead.

[Serena]

I was gonna say, before we get close to wrapping up here, is there anything else in terms of, like, the perception of you, your relationship, rumors you've seen, online comments people have made that you want to clear up or address while we have you here?

[Juliana]

Yeah, there's only one thing, and it's. It's kind of shitty. But I think that taking away the breakup and the public kind of going through being in the public eye, the ups and downs of that. I think that the one thing that really hurt my feelings the most and was disheartening was when Latia went on a podcast and insinuated things about my sex life. And then Zoe chimed in, in the comments online to basically confirm that Letia was talking about me to make sure people knew that. I only say that because I think it was such a dagger, and it added fuel to this fire of. She was the easy choice. You know, he just chose lust over love. And I think it was so embarrassing for me to deal with that. And I was embarrassed for my family. I was embarrassed for my employer. I was mortified that, you know, people that didn't know me would think that I, you know, slept with this man just to get a ring on my finger or to win a reality show. I think that truly, if I was her, I would be embarrassed for saying that, because I think as women, we do have to stick together. And of course, there's gonna be little tidbits here and there and things we don't agree on and hate spread whether we like it or not. But to. To bring another sex. Another woman's sex life into a public eye conversation when she didn't hear it from the source and heard it through the grapevine and doubled down on it in the last podcast she did that I probably should have listened to, but I had my sister do the recon on that. Is. It's disheartening, and it's. It's. I don't. I'm not calling her ugly, but it's ugly behavior, and that's not the case, and that wasn't the case. And I would just love to put that to bed so that she can stop talking about it and I can stop getting DMs calling me some uncomfortable names because somebody's out there saying that I'm sleeping around to get a ring.

[Joe]

Well, now that we're on the topic of lust.

[Juliana]

Yeah, sure.

[Joe]

Are there any guys in Bachelor Nation that you would be interested in, in potentially dating?

[Juliana]

Yes.

[Joe]

Who?

[Serena]

Oh, okay.

[Joe]

Let's. Let's. Will you give us a name?

[Juliana]

I can't give you all. My tea.

[Joe]

You can't give us all, but you could give us. How about this?

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Okay.

[Juliana]

What?

[Joe]

Give us initials or a seat.

[Serena]

The season that they were from.

[Juliana]

Oh, I'm bad with the seasons. I can't do that. I don't. I don't know it like that. Okay, but you could give.

[Joe]

How about this?

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[Joe]

I'll. I'll go as easy as a last name initial.

[Serena]

What? That's not gonna do anything for anyone.

[Joe]

And if I. And if I guess it. And if I guess it, you gotta tell me I'm right. Oh, that.

[Serena]

This is a crazy game. She's gonna give you one letter of the Alphabet. You're gonna guess out of the hundreds of men from this franchise which one she's interested in.

[Joe]

Yeah. Let's go.

[Juliana]

Okay.

[Joe]

M. M. Oh, M's a tough one.

[Serena]

Like Zed, maybe.

[Joe]

I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. But that. Joe, thank you so much for coming on. We really appreciate it. And, yeah, this was fun. Thank you.

[Serena]

Yeah, thank you so much.

[Juliana]

I was so surprised when you guys said you wanted me on, because it feels like we're such old news now, you know?

[Serena]

Never old news. Never old news. Everyone's still chatting about it, so we had to. We had to bring you on. And thank you so much for being open and vulnerable. And we're wishing you all the best in your healing journey. We hope to see you in paradise maybe in the future.

[Juliana]

Thank you guys so much. Appreciate it.

[Joe]

And to our listeners, thank you guys so much for tuning in to Bet yout Happy Hour. Make sure you download and subscribe to the podcast.

[Serena]

We will have new and exclusive interviews.

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[Serena]

Thanks for listening. Bye.

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I consider myself to be a pretty good gift giver. I've got my list.

[Joe]

Checked it twice, probably three times. She takes the holidays very seriously.

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