Juliana Part 2 — Is She Engaged? | Golden Hour

Summary

---

Bachelor Happy Hour – Juliana Part 2 — Is She Engaged? | Golden Hour

Release Date: July 10, 2026
Hosts: Kathy, Susan
Guest: Juliana

---

Episode Overview

In the second part of their special with Juliana, Kathy and Susan catch up on her whirlwind year of love, new beginnings, her possible engagement, and the wisdom she's gained. Alongside candid storytelling, Juliana helps the hosts field burning listener questions about dating, red flags, love bombing, and more. The episode balances touching moments about relationships with a lively round of “Which Is Worse?”—showcasing the group’s signature humor and heart.

---

Main Discussion & Insights

Juliana’s Life Update: Love, Family & Relocation

• Juliana & Mike’s Relationship:

  • Juliana shares she never expected to relocate for love, but now finds her life “truly changed.” (03:09)
  • She’s building a new blended family, including Mike’s son Lucas, who lives with them 50% of the time. (03:00)
  • Quote:

    "You never thought you would relocate, but love has a way... you want to grow old with him, so you start your life there." —Susan (03:09)

• Engagement Questions:

  • Kathy presses Juliana on whether a year ago she envisioned being in love with “a big rock on your hand, planning a wedding.”
  • Juliana admits:

    “I really had no idea... I was very hesitant to even date him, you know? And now here we are.” —Juliana (03:55)

  • The hosts jokingly demand to see the ring and set the date with her. (04:25)

Advice Segment: Listener Questions

Juliana joins Kathy and Susan to answer audience-submitted questions about relationships and dating struggles.

1. How to know if you can be yourself around someone

• Juliana: “You know, right off the bat. I mean, I'm no dating expert... There is definitely beginning nerves... but I think eventually, you know, it just clicks, and you kind of forget about those walls." (05:31)
• Kathy: “If you’ve been dating this guy a long time and you’re still completely filtering what you say, that might be a sign.” (06:29)
• Susan: “You have to be okay being yourself. And if it's not, it's just not the right fit.” (07:27)

2. Is He Love Bombing or Just Excited?

• Listener feels overwhelmed by a new, very attentive partner.
• Juliana: “I feel like there is definitely a bit of... love bombing if a lot of it is, like, talks. But... actions speak louder than words, so see what he follows through with.” (09:09)
• Susan: “I'm the love girl… I think she should just enjoy the ride, and whatever happens, happens.” (10:16)
• Kathy: “I recently dated a guy who, on our... third date said... ‘you are really someone I could fall in love with’... It gave me the ick.” (10:44)

3. Anxiety vs. Instincts in New Relationships

• Listener feels anxious despite no red flags.
• Juliana: “Do you have things from your past... not resolved?... But... we have instinct. So... see if you're bringing anything in from the past, and if not, maybe your body's trying to give you some signs.” (11:59)
• Kathy: “I think she probably has some trauma… because it's probably not him. It feels a little off to her because she's bringing... a little bit of trauma.” (13:11)
• Juliana adds:

  “Nobody really asks the question of, like, are we just dating each other?... There's so much confusion around that.” (13:35)

---

“Which is Worse?” Dating Dilemmas Game (21:09+)

Juliana is put on the spot to choose between awkward (and all-too-relatable) modern dating scenarios.

• Ghosted after three dates vs. rejected after three dates:
  • Juliana: “Ghosted is worse. The lack of communication is like a lack of regard for you as a human.” (21:50)
• Texted one-word responses vs. left on read:
  • Juliana: “No response is worse... at least [a one-word answer] is acknowledging you.” (22:50)
• Partner never texts first vs. constantly texting:
  • Juliana: “If they never text first, I think that’s worse. I'd rather have somebody that's texting me all day.” (24:05)
• Lied about age vs. lied about height:
  • Juliana: “Age would be worse... it's an important thing. Height, I can get over.” (24:43)
• Bad first kiss vs. bad first date conversation:
  • Juliana: “Bad conversation is worse… you'll never get to the kiss.” (27:06)
• Partner never posts you vs. posts you too much:
  • Juliana: “Too much. Social media is a highlight reel... don't really know the authenticity behind it.” (27:53)
  • On the added twist (never posts you, but comments on other girls):

    “He’s gotta go immediately. Gotta go.” —Juliana (29:18)

• Dumped by text vs. dumped over two-hour dinner:
  • After considering, agrees it’s worse to sit through a long dinner breakup:

    "Time is money. And you know what? He can't take two hours of my time..." (30:49)

• Flirts with everyone vs. rude to everyone:
  • Juliana: “I would, like— hate when people are rude to people. But I couldn't... if he was flirting with everybody, I'd be like, he's mine.” (31:21)

---

Personal Red Flags & Memorable Quotes

• Biggest “Ick” in Men:

  • Juliana: “I don't even have the time for liars... I don't have time for people that are rude, especially to waiters, servers.” (37:31)

• Talking Trash About Exes:

  • Juliana: "The way people talk about... their past relationships or even just other people… you can learn a lot about them." (37:58)

• Birthdays vs. Anniversaries:

  • Juliana: “I’m not a big, huge birthday gal… but I think your birthday would be sad about you. That’s who you— it requires them to just kind of remember you individually.” (39:14)
  • Susan: “There’s no way they could forget an anniversary because we remind them!” (39:33)

---

Juliana’s Relationship Snapshot

• Birthday Surprise Story:

  Juliana: "Well, I, of course, woke up here in our New York home, and Mike had made my... usual breakfast that he always does with coffee and flowers, and he got me some really amazing gifts, one of which may or may not have been a beautiful ring...” (40:16)

  • Not a diamond, but a meaningful ring—for now!
  • Kathy and Susan joyfully probe for engagement details.

• Blending Families:

  • Juliana cherishes Mike’s son, and they spend time playing with her nephew. (48:21)
  • “Lucas can be the ring bearer. It’s already set up.” —Kathy (48:27)

• Life After Reality TV:

  • Juliana reflects on her growth and the “positive way to look at it—that she wouldn’t be where she is today without going on The Bachelor.” (43:28, 44:05)
  • Emphasizes her private nature and not needing public validation.
  • Quote:

    “I was more of a private person… without Bachelor, she would have never went to that house to film.” —Susan (47:19)

---

Notable Final Moments

• Kathy hopes for a wedding invite (“if you need me to officiate, let me know!”) (46:50)
• The hosts rave about Juliana’s “calm, say-it-like-it-is attitude,” grace, and empathy.
• Susan celebrates Juliana’s “smile on my face from the second we started this podcast.” (43:04)
• Reflecting on Juliana’s journey as one of hope, healing, and new beginnings after heartbreak.

---

Key Timestamps

• Juliana’s Family/Love Update: 03:00–04:32
• Listener Relationship Questions: 04:55–15:06
• ‘Which is Worse?’ Dating Game: 21:09–32:46
• Biggest Red Flags & Dating Pet Peeves: 37:06–39:44
• Engagement/Birthday Story: 40:10–41:06
• Hosts Reflect on Juliana’s Journey: 43:28–47:09
• Final Affectionate Send-Offs: 47:09–end

---

Overall Tone

Warm, humorous, and heartfelt, with real-world dating wisdom balanced by playful banter and genuine affection for Juliana. Listeners are treated both to glimpses behind “Golden Bachelor” scenes and universally relatable advice on dating and relationships.

---

Memorable Quotes

• "I was love bombed— in a good way!" —Juliana (11:07)
• “If it’s not right, you kind of just know.” —Juliana (implied across multiple answers)
• “Nobody really asks the question of, like, are we just dating each other?” —Juliana (13:35)
• "He's gotta go immediately. Gotta go." —Juliana on social media red flags (29:18)
• “I don’t even have the time for liars.” —Juliana (37:31)
• "He needs to write a book for other men." —Kathy, about Mike (42:29)
• “If you’re not yourself, it’s just not the right fit.” —Susan (07:27)

---

For Bachelor Nation fans and new listeners alike, this episode offers a fun, insightful, and uplifting deep dive into love after reality TV—and how being yourself is the best dating advice of all.

Transcript

[Host 1]

This is an iHeart podcast.

[Susan]

Guaranteed Human.

[Sponsor Voice 1]

I just received my order from Dietz and Watson. I am so excited. I got chicken sausages and flavored cheddar cheeses. I think my favorite one was the champagne cheddar. Dietz and Watson has been handcrafting premium meats and artisan cheeses for over 85 years. They're family owned and operated and they've never cut corners and ever. Dietz and Watson is simply made. It's as simple as that. Visit dietzandwatson.com the right way to learn more about the deets difference hey question.

[Sponsor Voice 2]

Are you an extra care member at cvs? Because there's literally no reason not to be. It's super easy to join and members instantly get extra big deals on the things you buy most. I mean, this is the stuff you're already buying. Snacks, personal care products, all of it. And after you join, the savings just start to show up. Deals are fresh every two weeks, but they don't last long. Head to your local CVS or open the CVS app, look for extra big deals and start saving today.

[Host 1]

Summer is basically here, which means it's time to decide if you want to go blonde, maybe become a redhead or chop your hair short. But before you encounter a hair disaster, try it out in Facetune first and see what it looks like before committing to the change. It's lifesaver.

[Sponsor Voice 3]

I've tried out Facetune and it's so fun to see what I look like with different hairstyles and different lighting. I definitely recommend it. Before you make a big change. You can even try out different makeup looks. Download Facetune free on the App Store or Google Play.

[Host 1]

Can I come clean about something? I am definitely not someone who likes doing laundry. Yeah, I don't think there is anyone who does. Whether you put your stinky gym clothes in with your delicates, forgot a load of clothes in the washer for a few days, or haven't washed your favorite jeans in far too long, you're not alone. Luckily, Arm and Hammer Deep Clean is here to help. Arm and Hammer Deep Clean is the powerful shortcut that forgives your own shortcuts. It's made for real life stinking stains. Because it's just laundry, you shouldn't stress over it. And now you don't have to. From the number one liquid detergent brand that tackles more loads than any other. Come clean with Arm and Hammer Deep Clean. Number one claim based on total wash loads sold.

[Kalpen]

Hey everyone, it's Kalpen. I'm inviting you to join the best sounding book club you've ever heard with my podcast, Hearsay, The Audible, and iHeart Audiobook Club. Every episode, I nerd out with amazing guests and dive into the best new audiobooks available on Audible. It's the book club for your ears. Listen to Earsay, the Audible and iHeart audiobook club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kathy]

Hey, everyone, we're back for part two with Juliana. Let's get right back into it. Does his son live with you or share time with you guys?

[Juliana]

Yeah, 50% of the time.

[Kathy]

Oh, that's so nice.

[Susan]

What's his name?

[Juliana]

Lucas.

[Susan]

You know, you never thought you would relocate, but love has a way, truly, because now it's about a new life for you and your future, and you want to grow old with him, so you start your life there. And the good news is, it's not far from your family.

[Juliana]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Susan]

You could do it in a car. You don't even have to take an airplane.

[Kathy]

But Juliana isn't. I mean, isn't it interesting? Do you ever think about the fact that. That a year ago, the day before you went to that event on Long island, did you think a year from then, which is now, that you'd be so deeply in love with a big rock on your hand, planning a wedding and announcing an engagement with a man that you are so desperately in love with? Did you really think that you would be there?

[Host 1]

No.

[Juliana]

I really had no idea. You know, and not for nothing, but especially thinking about the men, the mental headspace that I was in, like, last year at this time, and to just look back and see how far I've come and, like, how much life has truly changed. I mean, I don't even know. I don't even know what I thought last year, but I know I was, like, very hesitant to even date him, you know? And now here we are.

[Kathy]

All right, well, you are so wise.

[Susan]

Do make it official. Can we have a personal text?

[Host 1]

Of course.

[Susan]

We want to see the ring.

[Kathy]

We want to set the date with you.

[Susan]

Absolutely.

[Juliana]

You guys got it.

[Kathy]

We want to know. All right, Juliana, you have been so. You are. You're wise beyond your years. Clearly. You taught me a few things. Every week, Susan and I answer questions from our listeners. We give golden advice. We're not going to call you golden, but we want you to kind of weigh in, and we're going to ask some questions and then ask your opinion. Are you in?

[Juliana]

I love this.

[Susan]

All right, I'm going to read the first One, and it is from Julie from Cleveland. She says, I've been dating someone who is great in a lot of ways, but I noticed that I don't feel like I can fully be myself around him yet. I find myself filtering what I say or how I act. And I'm not sure if that's just early dating nerves or a sign we're not the right fit. It. How do you tell the difference?

[Sponsor Voice 4]

Huh?

[Juliana]

I. I think, you know, right off the bat. I mean, I'm no dating expert. I have kind of minimal experience with that. But I would say there is definitely beginning nerves of, you know, being fully just kind of like your weird self. But I think eventually, you know, it just clicks, and you kind of forget about, like, kind of those walls and the nervousness around your person. And, you know, I would say if it's something that you're constantly aware of, you know, filtering yourself so much, then you're obviously trying to protect yourself from maybe being judged. You don't feel like they're your safe space, that they may take things the wrong way or things don't. Won't align. Right. But, you know, trust your instincts on that. You know yourself better than anybody else, Julie, so, you know, that's a great

[Kathy]

answer, but you said the key word, Juliana, which is in the beginning. People have nerves. And we don't know how long Julie's been dating this guy. But you're absolutely right, in my opinion. If Julie, if you've been dating this guy a long time and you're still completely filtering what you say, that might be a sign. But if it's a new relationship, it's probably nerves.

[Juliana]

Yeah.

[Susan]

For me, it's hard not to be myself, so not a bad problem to have. No, what you see is what you get. But for her, I could see the first couple dates being more reserved or, you know, don't be your authentic.

[Kathy]

What? You guys just told me not to be authentic, to be sweet and deliver only kindness.

[Susan]

So, Julie, you can be authentic. It's the delivery.

[Sponsor Voice 1]

Oh, it's the delivery.

[Kathy]

So, Julie, say whatever you want, but just control the delivery. It makes no sense. Zero.

[Susan]

Oh, you got to be comfortable to be in a relationship when it's brand new. I get it. You feel a little weird. You're not sure. You're not sure about your own feelings or his, what his thoughts are. But eventually, you have to be okay being yourself. And if it's not, it's just not the right fit.

[Kathy]

It's probably not the right fit if you have to go to the lock.

[Susan]

All right. Good job.

[Kathy]

All right, here we go. Wait. One more question, Juliana. How long did it take you before you were unfiltered with Mike? Right from the get go?

[Juliana]

No, not right from the get go. You know, I was very hesitant.

[Susan]

It wasn't that weekend at the house?

[Juliana]

No, I think that weekend I was just feeling them out, you know? And then shortly after, we went on a trip to Florida together. And I didn't even think about it, but I was like, oh, my God. I'm, you know, going away. I'm sharing a hotel room. I was, like, kind of freaking me out, like. And I think that helped. It kind of just forced things, you know, There was no escaping each other, so I was like, you know, I just. I am who I am at this point. Please.

[Susan]

That's right.

[Kathy]

Good. Good for you. All right, let's move on. Change.

[Susan]

That's right.

[Kathy]

You can't change. Well, I'm going to change because you took guys told me I have to. Okay, this next one is from Johnny from Seattle. And I think Johnny in this case is a girl, because it ends I. E. Okay. I've been talking to someone who is very charming and attentive, but he moves fast, talking about trips together, future plans, and how different I am from anyone else he's met. Part of me is flattered, but part to be as little overwhelmed. How do you tell if someone is genuinely exciting or if it's love bombing?

[Juliana]

I was just gonna say, I feel like there is definitely a bit of what sounds like love bombing if a lot of it is, like, talks. But I think, you know, to give him the benefit of the doubt, somebody that's thinking of plans in. In the future, you know, that's a good sign, right? So I think actions speak louder than words, so see what he follows through with, you know? And I think words are tough when you know, everything's so new. So you got to rely a lot more on actions than what they're saying. Otherwise, it sounds like it could be love bombing if there's no, like, trips booked.

[Kathy]

Yeah, well, I think what she's saying is she's nervous because he's talking about tripping, booking the trips, and maybe she feels like it's too soon. But I think, to your point, Juliana, if. If you're nervous about doing that or you feel like you're not ready, then maybe that is love bombing. It's like the flip side of the same coin. You were ready to take that jump with Mike. Maybe she's not ready.

[Susan]

Yeah, for me, I Am that person. I'm the love girl. I'm the one that's gonna plan the future and talk about, oh, we should do this together when I'm excited. So I read it totally different. I think she should just enjoy the ride, and whatever happens, happens.

[Kathy]

Right?

[Juliana]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

Well, I don't know. I will tell you. I recently. Susan knows this. I recently dated a guy who, on our, I don't know, third date, looked at me and said, you know, you are really someone I could fall in love with.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

It gave me the ick, even, because he. Because even though I loved it, I

[Susan]

was like, wasn't that sweet?

[Sponsor Voice 3]

Yeah.

[Susan]

I mean, he's being real.

[Kathy]

I want. Well, Susan, since we're not together, how real was it?

[Susan]

It doesn't mean he could have fallen

[Kathy]

in love with you, whatever, move on.

[Susan]

He had his issues.

[Juliana]

I love a good lover boy. So I think it's, like, you know, because I was love.

[Sponsor Voice 4]

Yeah.

[Kalpen]

Yeah.

[Susan]

It's that Italian thing, I think. All right, the next one is from Kat. Oh, my goodness. And she's from Philly. I can't wait. I've been dating someone who is really great, but I've noticed that I feel more anxious than secure when I'm with him. He's not doing anything wrong, necessarily, but something just feels a little off, and I can't quite explain it. Do you trust that feeling or try to work through it logically? Wait a minute. I don't.

[Kathy]

Wait, can I just stop you, Susan. Susan, the word logically. You don't even get to answer this question, Susan. You're just gonna let Juliana take over? Because the minute you introduce the word log logic, Susan's answers right out the window. Okay. Go ahead, Juliana. What do you think?

[Juliana]

I guess, you know, one of my first questions I would ask is, like, do you have things from your past that maybe are not resolved? Like, is there trauma or insecurities from past relationships that you might be carrying into this? Because if he's not doing anything wrong, you may be kind of like, projecting the anxiety of past situations. And I think when you start anything new, you know, you got to leave the past in the past, and you have to kind of give everybody a clean slate to just prove to you who they are. You know, you can't judge somebody before you know them. But, you know, I also think there's a benefit in a reason. We have instinct. Right. So it's just. It's kind of hard, you know, you got to see. See if you're bringing anything in from the past, and if not, maybe your body's trying to give you some signs

[Susan]

here, but she says something just feels a little off. So is she not sure about him?

[Juliana]

Maybe.

[Susan]

And it's not even her. Like, maybe she's questioning where he's been or his. So she's getting anxious.

[Kathy]

But also, it could be what. It could be what Juliana's saying, which is, I think I'm more with you, Juliana, on this one. I think she probably has some trauma. That's why she can't explain it, because it's probably not him. It feels a little off to her because she's bringing along in that suitcase that baggage, a little bit of trauma, maybe from another relationship. I think you're right on the money, Juliana.

[Juliana]

And, you know, one other thing I want to add, too, is I think in this, like, day and age, it's so hard when you start newly dating somebody. I feel like nobody really asks the question of, like, are we just dating each other? Like, the fact that even ask that, you know, like, I think people say, like, we're exclusive or, like, not exclusive. And there's so much confusion around that and, like, around the beginning stages of dating. And until you get to that point that, like, if she's confused about where, you know, what he's doing, I think, you know, ask. I think there's no shame in the game. I basically said, I. Michael. I was like, so are we dating? You know, I was like, because I'm not.

[Susan]

But before I sleep with you, you're. You got to tell me you're not sleeping with anybody else. Situationship, that new dating thing. No, that means you could sleep with whoever you want. Date. What the hell?

[Kathy]

Good for you. Well, can I just say I think I need to become Italian, because you two seem to clearly have all the answers here. I love your answers. You can submit to the rest of the world. You can submit all your burning question to us by going tobachelornation.com. golden hour. Come back each week. Juliana won't be here each week, but Susan will take care of the Italian answers for everyone.

[Susan]

I could definitely have her once a month, at least.

[Kathy]

That's right.

[Susan]

And I like it. She's calm and she's. You know. You say it like it is. Kathy. Do you see what she's saying?

[Kathy]

I don't see it at all. I see a beautiful girl who got the guy, and I'm still out in the rain by myself. So now. And we're both from. We're both from Newton, Massachusetts. Like, why? Where did I miss. I don't know.

[Sponsor Voice 4]

Have you ever actually looked at the ingredient list on your dog's food after the first ingredient? Well, good luck.

[Host 1]

You see, kibble is made using extreme

[Sponsor Voice 4]

high heat to keep it shelf stable and inexpensive. So brands have to add back synthetic vitamins and minerals in the form of strange chemicals. Who names you don't understand and definitely cannot pronounce.

[Host 1]

Is that really what you want?

[Sponsor Voice 4]

Your dog Eating Sundaes for dogs is different. Founded by Dr. Tori Waxman, Sundaes was created to meet her high standards as a veterinarian and as a dog parent. Sundays start with 80% plus all natural meats and then add superfoods such as kale, ginger and blueberries. No fillers, no nutritional blends, no chemicals, just simple complete nutrition. And the best part, Sundays require no fridge, no freezer, no prep, no mess. You get the quality of a home cooked meal with the scoop and serve. Ease of kibble. It's what dog food should have been all along. And Sundaes just launched a brand new fish recipe. It's made with 80% whole and minced fish, including eco friendly invasive carp sourced from American rivers for a naturally rich flavor. In fact, did you know that many dogs naturally prefer fish flavors? So Sunday's fish recipe is great for picky eaters. I don't have a dog, but our producer has two and she's so excited to try out Sundays for Dogs. She's been searching for a dog food that gives her dogs better coats and less itching. And from everything we've heard, I bet Sundays will be the answer. Make the switch to Sundays. Go right now to Sundays for dogs.com happy hour and get 50% off your first order. Or you can use the code Happy hour at checkout.

[Sponsor Voice 1]

I just received my order from Dietz and Watson. I am so excited. I got chicken sausages and flavored cheddar cheeses. You know, I'm from New England and I know a genuine New York State cheddar when I see it. They are infused with real ingredients, iconic flavors and a smooth, creamy finish. I think my favorite one was was the Champagne cheddar. It just is delicious. And the chicken sausage, they never have antibiotics, no nitrates are added, they're gluten free and they have bold, authentic recipes. Dietz and Watson has been handcrafting premium meats and artisan cheeses for over 85 years. They're family owned and operated and they've never cut corners. Ever. They're transparent about what goes into their food and what doesn't and they know good taste doesn't need a long list of ingredients. Dietz and Watson is simply made. It's as simple as that. Visit dietzandwatson.com the right way to learn more about the deets Difference who out

[Sponsor Voice 2]

here shops at cvs?

[Sponsor Voice 3]

Most of you, right?

[Sponsor Voice 2]

Well, if you're not signed up for extra care, you need to fix that because when you are, you get extra big deals. These are limited time offers you can find in store or in the app and it's where being an extra care member really pays off. So sign up now. If you're already shopping there, it's a no brainer. And if you're not, well, you need to do something about that. Signing up couldn't be easier and once you've joined the exclusive member discounts instantly appear. You literally don't have to do anything. There's no coupons. You'll enjoy savings on the items you buy most. We're talking about savings on essential things like household items, snacks, health and personal care products, plus travel and seasonal stuff too. All right there in store. It could not be easier. Deals are fresh every two weeks, so there's always something new, but they don't last long. Extra big deals with extra care Instant savings made simple. Head to your local CVS or open the CVS app and look for extra big Deals and start saving today.

[Host 1]

Summer is basically here, which means it's time to decide if you want to go blonde, maybe become a redhead or chop your hair short. But before you encounter a hair disaster, try it out in Facetune first and see what it looks like before committing to the change. It's a lifesaver. Facetune lets you try color, length or style on virtually any photo. It even works on reels and TikToks so you can see how you'd look as a blonde before you reach for the hair dye or hit that salon chair.

[Sponsor Voice 3]

I've tried out Facetune and it's so fun to see what I look like with different hairstyles and different lighting. I definitely recommend it. Before you make a big change. You can even try out different makeup looks like. Facetune can also smooth skin, vanish flyaway hairs, and fix whatever your photo needs. It will make your pictures and videos flawless, so even if the lighting is not on your side, Facetune has you covered. Download Facetune free on the App Store or Google Play.

[Host 1]

This episode is brought to you by Reef and if comfort had a personality, yeah, it'd be them. You probably think sandals and fair, but the women's Neptune is proof that they absolutely nailed everyday shoes, too. This one slips right into your life. No planning required. The crushback heel lets you wear it your way. Just kick it on when you're rushing out the door, flip it up when the day calls for a little bit more stability. It's lightweight, breathable, and quietly doing the most, which I love. And the soft, quilted insole, that part your feet will thank you for later. For me, it feels like stepping onto a plush pillow every single time. I wore these on a full, chaotic day in the city. From subways to hailing taxis, running endless errands, meetings. And the best part of it all. Not once did I notice the shoes that I was wearing because they felt that good. My feet were more than good. They were great. Great enough that it'll make you want to keep going and making sure that you're getting those steps in easy, comfortable, and handled. If you want a shoe that keeps up with you without asking questions, check out the Women's Neptune on reef.com and treat yourself to 15% off your first purchase.

[Susan]

Juliana, this week, we're going to play a game, okay? And we're going to ask you to tell us which is worse, in your opinion and why. And no depends allowed.

[Kathy]

You have to answer.

[Juliana]

Okay.

[Susan]

You can't say it depends.

[Juliana]

Okay.

[Susan]

I think this is difficult, okay. Because I always have a difficult time with things like this.

[Juliana]

Context matters.

[Susan]

Okay. Kathy, you want to start or you want me to start?

[Kathy]

I'll go for the first one. Here we go. Not that this has ever happened to you, Juliana. Getting ghosted after three dates or getting rejected after three dates.

[Juliana]

Ghosted, I think.

[Susan]

Which is worse.

[Juliana]

Yeah, ghosted is worse. I think the. The lack of communication is like a lack of regard for you as a human. And I think that's worse if somebody will be open and honest and just say it's not working out. So much respect to them, you know?

[Susan]

Hey, stan, I agree 100%, Kathy.

[Kathy]

I 100% agree with you. It's all about respect. Somebody tried it out. It didn't work. I'm going to tell you after three dates and have the respect for that person. Do it. Good job. Okay, go ahead.

[Susan]

Okay, here's a good one. When texting. All right. Being left on, read or getting a one word response. I hate it when, you know, they read it and they didn't respond. Because as a woman, we assume, which is a cardinal rule, that we should not assume. But if they don't respond, maybe they're busy. Maybe. Whatever. So what do you Think, I think

[Juliana]

no response is worse. I mean, you know, if sometimes a one word answer is aggravating, but at least it's acknowledging that you said something. So I'll take an acknowledgment over potentially getting ignored. Yeah, any day. Yeah.

[Susan]

Kathy.

[Kathy]

Yeah, I don't know. I, I, I, I. So, you know, you little love, love girls over there. I feel like if somebody has read it and I'm dating them and I know that they're, you know, working on their lawyer and they're working on their case, they, they acknowledge that they just don't have time to answer. But if they answer fully later, I'm good to, to give a one word answer. Unless it's, are you coming over to cook me dinner tonight? And the answer is yes, then to me, the one word answer is exactly the opposite. It shows a lack of regard. It's like I can't be bothered to take time. I took the time to read your response, but I'm not really going to take the time to respond to you. I'd rather, I'd rather wait and get the good answer.

[Susan]

How about dating someone who never text first or someone who texts constantly?

[Juliana]

Oh, I think, I mean, if they never text first, I never even really pay attention to that. I mean, but I think like, I, I, I think that's worse, right? Because I'd rather have somebody that's texting me all day, you know, and I can neither give the one word answers or now the responses with the thumbs up, you know, I agree, I agree.

[Kathy]

Okay, I've got one here. It's one of my, and I'm sorry, I have another answer for this. Finding out they lied about their age or lied about their height. Giuliano. Which is worse?

[Juliana]

I mean, I come Boston is like, known for the men saying they're six feet and they are not six feet. I think, I mean, I think age would be worse because, you know, are you saying you're older or younger?

[Sponsor Voice 3]

First of all.

[Juliana]

And then, you know, it's a, that's a, that's an important thing. Height I can get over, you know,

[Susan]

until you're my age.

[Juliana]

Okay.

[Susan]

And you go on a dating app. I'm serious. I've lied before and I've gone out to meet people that I met on the app and within the first three minutes, I said, listen, there's something I have to tell you. I am not 63. I am really 66, nigga. Okay, I go. But some people would think I'm a liar. Yeah, but nobody was talking to me, because it might have been 59 and 61. I don't remember the exact years, but you have to sometimes going there at 69.

[Kathy]

So I think, Julianna, you have the right answer, though. At our age, obviously, it's different. You're. You're younger. If a guy says he's. You're 30, let's just say you were on a dating app and the guy said he was 32 and he was really 28. You may or may not date a guy two years younger. But in our age, if a guy is. If you're. If you're 69, like Susan, and you're looking for a guy and he says he's 67, and then you meet him and he's 75, you know, his health, mate. You know what I'm saying? As you get older, age matters more.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Juliana]

Yeah. So. So you. But so would you guys think it's worse then if they lied about their height?

[Kathy]

I'd like to have a guy to lie to me about anything right now.

[Sponsor Voice 3]

Right.

[Juliana]

Well, fair.

[Susan]

I'd be upset about the height because I have an issue.

[Kathy]

I would be upset. Set. I don't. For me, it'd be the age, because again, at my age, if a guy tells me he's younger, which I would date in a heartbeat, I'm looking for that energetic, adventurous guy. So if I'm. If a guy tells me he's, you know, an age that I would date, and then I meet him and he's, you know, barely ambulatory, then I feel terrible, saying to him, you know, I. I don't want to say you weren't quite active enough for me. All right, what's about this one?

[Susan]

A bad first kiss or a terrible first date conversation? They're both bad, bad.

[Juliana]

But you know, what is like, I think the kiss. I think the bad dinner conversation is worse, only because it's like the whole

[Susan]

date, you know, and you'll never get to the kiss. Yeah.

[Juliana]

And that.

[Kathy]

And.

[Juliana]

Right. But a bad kiss is like, you know, if you had the best date ever, and it's a bad kiss. It's like, okay, like, maybe it's the nerves at least. Like, I enjoyed the time and enjoyed the conversation. Like, I'd give them another shot, you know?

[Kathy]

That's very smart. That is very cool. Okay, I've got one. Because we've been. Susan, I've been talking about dating apps a lot. I'm in Philly. That's what we're talking about. Get on getting on dating apps. Okay. Dating someone who never posts or posts you.

[Sponsor Voice 1]

Too much.

[Juliana]

Worse, I think would be too much. And I, I only say that because I think, you know, social media is a highlight. Highlights of everybody's life. Right. I think there's like something to be said about maybe somebody that's like kind of over sharing. You, like, don't really know the authenticity behind.

[Susan]

Is he bragging that he's.

[Kathy]

Wait a minute. Wait, I'm lost. Juliana, you're saying it's worse to post too much?

[Juliana]

Yes, I think it is. Yeah. I mean, I. I personally wouldn't have a problem with a guy that never posted me. You know, I know what goes on in our real life. I'm quote that. I. I just. That's fine with me. I think the over posting is almost like I just have had people friends in my past that have been really toxic environments and like, it hasn't been good in the real life. But then the guy's like going out. Yeah. And it just. It's like I have a weird kind of lens with that. Like, if a man is over sharing me, I love it. I feel like that's great for the girl. Like. Okay. But also, like, why? What's the intention?

[Kathy]

Okay, wait a second. We gotta. Wait, Susan, we gotta add a little added thing onto this question. Which is worse, Juliana, A guy who never posts you, but at the same time he's following and commenting on other girls posts.

[Juliana]

Oh, he's. He's gotta go immediately. Gotta go.

[Susan]

All right, how about this one? Getting dumped by a text or getting dumped over a two hour dinner, which is worse? Neither one is good. But if you had to choose one,

[Juliana]

I would love to use my. It depends on this one only because, like, how long have you been together? You know, I think a text would feel so sad from like such a long term relationship.

[Kathy]

Juliana, wait a second. Love you, girl. If you've been dating. Look, let me just pose it this way. You've been dating a guy for a year. Not Mike, because you know the ring's on your hand and the date's coming. But you've been dating a guy for a year and now you're at dinner and he comes in and you notice he's off and it doesn't feel right. And because you're such a smart, beautiful woman, you're like, oh, shit, this is. Something bad's coming my way. Do you really want to sit there for a guy that you are planning a future with and hear for two hours about who cares what he has to say? Because I'm tuning Out. The minute he starts, I'm getting up and saying I'm out. You're gonna listen to that for two hours?

[Host 1]

No.

[Susan]

No.

[Juliana]

But which one's worse do you get?

[Kathy]

Just dumb. It's way worse for me to have to sit there for two hours. Give me a text, and I'll go cry for the next two months.

[Juliana]

Okay.

[Kathy]

At least I don't have to listen to it.

[Juliana]

You're right. Time is money. And you know what? He can't take two hours of my time if he's just gonna.

[Kathy]

There you go, Julian. I knew you.

[Susan]

Yeah, but if you feel like he's dumping you during this. Ordered the Dom Perignon and the caviar.

[Sponsor Voice 4]

Yes.

[Susan]

You're gonna pay for this one.

[Sponsor Voice 3]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

And then you know what happens? Oh, I left my wallet at home. Do you mind picking up this one? No, no, I don't have my wallet.

[Juliana]

Never brought my wallet.

[Susan]

Hey, Kathy.

[Kathy]

Wait.

[Susan]

Wait, Kathy. How about flirt with everyone or rude to everyone?

[Kathy]

You know my answer. What's your answer, Juliana?

[Juliana]

I'm gonna have to go, like, rude with everyone. I don't know. I couldn't.

[Kathy]

I.

[Juliana]

And that breaks my heart. I would, like. I hate when people are rude to people. Like. But I couldn't. I don't. If he was flirting with everybody, I'd

[Kathy]

be like, he's mine.

[Susan]

Wtf?

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Sponsor Voice 3]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

I would be like, who cares? He's mine. Hope you're having fun.

[Sponsor Voice 1]

I just received my order from Dietz and Watson. I am so excited. I got chicken sausages and flav cheeses. You know, I'm from New England and I know a genuine New York State cheddar when I see it. They are infused with real ingredients, iconic flavors, and a smooth, creamy finish. I think my favorite one was the champagne cheddar. It just is delicious. And the chicken sausage, they never have antibiotics, no nitrates are added. They're gluten free, and they have bold, authentic recipes. Dietz and Watson has been handcrafting premium meats and artisan cheeses for over 85 years. They're family owned and operated, and they've never cut corners. Ever. They're transparent about what goes into their food and what doesn't. And they know good taste, doesn't need a long list of ingredients. Dietz and Watson is simply made. It's as simple as that. Visit dietzandwatson.com the right way to learn more about the deets difference.

[Sponsor Voice 2]

Who out here shops at cvs?

[Sponsor Voice 3]

Most of you.

[Sponsor Voice 2]

Right. Well, if you're not signed up for extracare, you need to fix that because when you are, you get extra big deals. These are limited time offers you can find in store or in the app and it's where being an extra care member really pays off. So sign up now. If you're already shopping there, it's a no brainer and if you're not, well, you need to do something about that. Signing up couldn't be easier and once you've joined the exclusive member, discounts instantly appear. You literally don't have to do anything. There's no coupons. You'll enjoy savings on the items you buy most. We're talking about savings on essential things like household items, snacks, health and personal care products, plus travel and seasonal stuff too. All right there in store it could not be easier. Deals are fresh every two weeks so there's always something new, but they don't last long. Extra big deals with extra care. Instant savings made simple and head to your local CVS or open the CVS app and look for extra big deals and start saving today.

[Host 1]

Summer is basically here, which means it's time to decide if you want to go blonde, maybe become a redhead or chop your hair short. But before you encounter a hair disaster, try it out in Facetune first and see what it looks like before committing to the change. It's a lifesaver. Facetune lets you try color, length or style on virtually any photo. It even works on reels and TikToks so you can see how you'd look as a blonde before you reach for the hair dye or hit that salon chair.

[Sponsor Voice 3]

I've tried out Facetune and it's so fun to see what I look like with different hairstyles and different lighting. I definitely recommend it. Before you make a big change. You can even try out different makeup looks. Facetune can also smooth skin, vanish flyaway hairs, and fix whatever your photo needs. It will make your pictures and videos flawless, so even if the lighting is not on your side, Facetune has you covered. Download Facetune free on the App Store or Google Play.

[Host 1]

This episode is brought to you by Reeve and if comfort had a personality, yeah, it'd be them. You probably think sandals and fair, but the women's Neptune is proof that they absolutely nailed everyday shoes too. This one slips right into your life. No planning required. The Crushback heel lets you wear it your way. Just kick it on when you're rushing out the door. Flip it up when the day calls for a little bit more stability. It's lightweight, breathable and quietly doing the most which I love. And the soft quilted insole, that part your feet will thank you for later. For me, it feels like stepping onto a plush pillow every single time. I wore these on a full chaotic day in the city. From subways to hailing taxis, running endless errands, meetings. And the best part of it all, not once did I notice the shoes that I was wearing because they felt that good. My feet were more than good. They were great. Great enough that it'll make you want to keep going and making sure that you're getting those steps in easy, comfortable and handled. If you want a shoe that keeps up with you without asking questions, check out the Woman's Neptune on reef.com and treat yourself to 15 off your first purchase.

[Sponsor Voice 5]

Awkward time to ask this, but hey, did you download the trail map?

[Susan]

Yeah, no, I don't need to.

[Host 1]

I. I don't understand.

[Sponsor Voice 5]

You're trusting your signal out here?

[Susan]

I'm trusting T Mobile. They have the best network and if we end up in bumtots nowhere, well, we've got T Satellite for backup. Whoa.

[Sponsor Voice 5]

I don't trust my carrier that much.

[Susan]

We'll just use your phone as a flashlight.

[Sponsor Voice 5]

With America's best network and T Satellite, we're keeping you connected in places you never thought possible. And if you switch today, you get

[Kathy]

free phones for zero down and only

[Sponsor Voice 5]

25 bucks a month per line for four lines. Find out more@t mobile.com or visit your local store. Best Mobile Network Based on analysis by Ooklev Speed Test Intelligence data 2H 2025 with 24 monthly bill credits and 4 eligible pour ins on essentials for well qualified customers with autopay plus taxes, fees and $35 connection charge per line credits and in balance due if you pay off early OR Cancel Contact Us Finance Agreement example 299.99 Moto Edge 5G required T Satellite available with compatible device in most outdoor areas in the US where you can see the sky included with experience beyond $10 a month. However, news monthly cancel anytime visit t mobile.com

[Kathy]

I had a date once with a guy who was so rude to. I shouldn't say so. Rude. Rude enough that it was like, you know, this is. I don't like the way this looks, whatever it was. And I never saw the guy again because to me, if you are rude to a server that tells me everything I need to know about you're we're done here.

[Juliana]

100%. 100%.

[Susan]

So I do have to ask you, what is your biggest ick in meeting a man? What Would your first ick of Red Flag flag? Like, what do you.

[Juliana]

I. I think it's my biggest ick. I think it's.

[Susan]

I don't know, like, lying. If you find out he was lying.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Juliana]

I mean, I think. Well, yeah. Oh, I would be like. I would be gone in. In a second. I don't deal with liars. Yeah, I don't. I. I don't even have the time for, like, liars. I don't have time for people. That to your point? Waiters, servers.

[Susan]

Yeah, what about somebody the first meet, and they talk nothing but trash about their exes.

[Juliana]

Oh, can't do it.

[Susan]

Just not cool.

[Kathy]

Wait, I've got one that. No, go ahead. Go ahead. Juliana.

[Juliana]

No, I was just gonna say I. You know, the way people talk about, like, their past relationships or even just other people. Like, you can learn a lot about them.

[Susan]

Gossipy or.

[Kathy]

Mike. I want Mike to listen to this next one because this might be the last one we have time for.

[Susan]

I want Mike to come on after she comes out, you know?

[Kathy]

Okay, but this one's really important, Mike, so. Juliana, tell him to listen to this one. Okay. Even is okay.

[Juliana]

Ready there, Michael?

[Kathy]

Doug, we're going to get.

[Juliana]

Listen to what they're saying.

[Susan]

Okay, Mike.

[Kathy]

Hey, Mike, listen up here. The answer. I'm going to give you the answer before the question. The answer is neither, but we're going to play it anyway. Your partner, that would be you, Mike, forgets Juliana's birthday. Or is it worse to forget your anniversary with Juliana? Which is worse? Mike, let me help you out here. I will never forget either one.

[Juliana]

Yeah.

[Susan]

What do you think would be worse? My birthday. Right?

[Kathy]

I would think of it.

[Juliana]

My birthday. I mean, I think. Yeah. I'm not a big, like, huge birthday gal anyways. I mean, this was my 30th, and we did something super fun for it. But I think in. I think your birthday would be sad about you. That's who you. It doesn't involve them. It requires, like, them to just kind of remember you individually.

[Susan]

Right. And there's no way they could forget an anniversary because we remind them, Babe, in six weeks, it's our fifth anniversary. Where are we going?

[Kathy]

No, no, no. Susan. Susan. Mike. Next Thursday is our first four and a half month anniversary. Do not.

[Susan]

Where did you get me?

[Kathy]

I mean, seriously. That would be the question I have. I don't know. I think that birthdays and anniversaries are really important dates. But, Juliana, you did mention that you did something very special for your 30th birthday.

[Susan]

Yes, do tell us.

[Kathy]

What was it? She asked in a very friendly, neighborly way.

[Juliana]

Well, I, of course, woke up here in our New York home, and Mike had made my. My usual breakfast that he always does with coffee and flowers, and he got me some really amazing gifts, one of which may or may not have been a beautiful ring. And we went to New York.

[Kathy]

Wait, wait, wait. Stop.

[Susan]

She doesn't want to stop.

[Kathy]

She just said she got.

[Susan]

Does he have a father? An uncle, as Kathy would say.

[Kathy]

I know. Where's his father? Uncle and I will move back Newton, wherever. Oh, I'll move to Long Island. I don't care. Wait, when?

[Susan]

So glad you had a great day.

[Juliana]

Yeah. And then we met my friends and my aunts and some of my cousins in the city, and we. We did.

[Kathy]

I'm sorry, Dinner. That. I don't care about your.

[Susan]

Good job, Michael. Good job.

[Kathy]

I don't care about our friends in the city. You just said you got a ring, and you're not going to say on our podcast, I am officially engaged? Because I'm going to say it if you don't.

[Susan]

Well, why can't you? It was a ring.

[Juliana]

It was a ring. It was. It had a lot of meaning behind

[Susan]

it, but, you know, I think a promise ring.

[Kathy]

No, it's. I promise to show you later is what it is.

[Susan]

Is it a big diamond ring?

[Juliana]

It's not a diamond ring.

[Susan]

Okay, that helps.

[Kathy]

Sapphire.

[Kalpen]

You know what?

[Susan]

Nonetheless, he gave it to you. It means the world to you. I think Michael's doing a good job.

[Juliana]

He's doing.

[Susan]

We want our girl happy.

[Kathy]

And now can we get to the Wait. Hey, Michael. I'm from Newton. We all stick together. Where's your uncle? Your grandfather? Your father? Your stepfather? I'm good. I'm in. Just let me know.

[Susan]

You are just a delight.

[Kathy]

You are.

[Susan]

Smile on my face. From the second we started this podcast,

[Kathy]

we're so glad that you joined us for Bachelor Happy Hour. You are. Wait, I have one more question. We can't leave.

[Juliana]

Okay.

[Kathy]

I don't know if you're in a home or an apartment, but have you started redecorating it yet?

[Juliana]

Yes, we are in a home. And it is so fun having the best time. Yeah.

[Susan]

It's a woman's touch. You know, a man's place needs help.

[Juliana]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

Wait, Susan, this guy, not only does he buy her nice Julie surprises or brings her breakfast, he's letting her decorate the home. We need this guy. He needs to write a book. He needs to write a book for other men. Really?

[Susan]

He's so smart.

[Juliana]

Yeah, he's very smart. He's top tier.

[Kathy]

Will you come back once you. If you ever get engaged or decide to get married somewhere down the road, will you come back on with Mike?

[Susan]

With him, yes. So we could talk to him, too.

[Juliana]

I would love that. Yeah, that'd be fun.

[Susan]

We would love that as well. Thank you.

[Kathy]

Well, thanks again for joining us on Bachelor Happy Hour.

[Susan]

Kathy, she is adorable.

[Kathy]

Of course she's adorable. She's from Newton, where I'm from. And you call me adorable all the time.

[Susan]

She's Italian, I could say, too. But no, you know how people see her, us, anybody on the show, on any kind of film. And then you talk heart to heart like that. I loved her. Yeah. I loved how close she is with her dad.

[Kathy]

Yeah. Okay, let's. When we talked with her, first of all, I'm just gonna go on a limb. That's just Kathy. I think that she is probably engaged, wants to make an announcement. It's just my intuition. And I sat there thinking, a year ago, you know, she went through this public breakup and all this mess, but she said herself on our podcast that had she not done the show, she wouldn't be where she is today. She wouldn't have met Mike. And I thought, you know, that is such a positive way to look at it.

[Susan]

Yeah. She has a good head on her shoulders. But I'm with you. That 30th birthday.

[Sponsor Voice 1]

Yeah.

[Susan]

That he made breakfast in bed like he always does. Did you hear that? Always does. Where is that man? And she had flowers and a ring.

[Kathy]

But what. Well, what do you think, though? I mean, she. She was glowing, first of all. The girl was so happy. But I feel like we're not that age anymore. We're not 30. But, you know, listening to her talk, I kept thinking, she's 30 and she knows. She's. You know, they say when you know, you know.

[Susan]

You know, when you know, she knows.

[Kathy]

That was one thing I thought. The other thing I thought was how much her life has changed. I didn't get the sense. I'm asking your opinion. I did not get the sense that she really cares about. She said I'm a private person, that she doesn't really want to be in the public eye. Did you get that sense

[Susan]

exactly that? Yes. She doesn't care about that.

[Kathy]

Yeah. And what have I always said to you?

[Susan]

If I could find the right person. Yes. I mean, I would always be grateful for the experiences we've had, but I'm grateful for every experience.

[Kathy]

I am, too. But I would I mean, I love Bachelor Nation. You know that. How many times have I said it gave me back my life?

[Susan]

But listening to Juliana, back out of depression after losing your husband. Yes, it did.

[Kathy]

But I also feel like she. As hard as it was, and I have no idea, because I was never chosen by the lead. I was never a lead, but I really felt like. She's graceful, she is empathetic. I loved her answers.

[Susan]

Her line.

[Kathy]

I don't.

[Susan]

Her clothing line. Nice girls.

[Kathy]

It's Nice girls. It's always. And her grandmother said it's always nice to be nice. What a great message to send to everybody.

[Susan]

My. My family was always be kind and same difference, you know?

[Kathy]

I don't know.

[Susan]

I want to check out their line, though.

[Kathy]

Yeah, of course you do. It's shopping. Susan always wants to go shopping. All I can say is in the. The fact that she has moved in with him after a year, it sounded like she had just moved in.

[Susan]

I think a year is good, though, don't you?

[Kathy]

I think with what she's been through, I think she knows what she knows, and I think she's ready. And I think there will be an engagement if there hasn't been one already, and I think there'll be a marriage, and. Hey, Juliana, if you're listening, I kind of like to come to this wedding and, you know, meet your own if

[Susan]

you need me to officiate.

[Kathy]

We are relentless. Anyway, she is a lovely, lovely human being. And for all of you in Bachelor Nation who don't think that she was in it to find love, you don't have to worry, because she has found love now.

[Susan]

And that's the name of the game, that she said. She was not a big dater. You know, she tried the dating app after the show and all, but she was more of a private person.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Susan]

And like you said, Kathy, without Bachelor, she would have never went to that house to film with all the. And without feeling like.

[Kathy]

Wait. Can I ask you a question?

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

If I didn't want to, like, embarrass myself. But when she said she was in the Hamptons at this influencer party party, and this guy, like, just immediately zones in on her. Can you imagine all the quote, unquote, beautiful people who must have been at that party, like you and I, what chance would we have had? Like, she.

[Susan]

I went to something like this at the Mayors, remember?

[Kathy]

Oh, that's right. I'm guessing Juliana turned out tons of people.

[Susan]

There was not an executive producer that flirted with me.

[Kathy]

Our time is coming. You heard her. Time is coming.

[Sponsor Voice 1]

Time is coming.

[Susan]

But I enjoyed her and I hope she holds true to bringing Michael on and we'll have them both on when they want to announce their.

[Kathy]

But you know what?

[Susan]

And I love the fact that he has a little boy.

[Sponsor Voice 3]

Yeah.

[Susan]

And she loves him and takes him back to play with her nephew and it sounds.

[Kathy]

You know what? Lucas can be the ring bearer. It's already. It's already set up. Juliana, you are lovely. We are so grateful that you came on the podcast to show everybody what happiness and love looks like.

[Susan]

Yes. And you just do that. And with that, sweetheart, you deserve every minute of happiness.

[Kathy]

And don't forget, send me your uncle or Michael's uncle's name. In the meantime, thank you all for joining us on Bachelor Golden Hour.

[Susan]

We absolutely love having you and make sure to rate, review and subscribe wherever you listen to your podcast and you

[Kathy]

can follow us on social media at Bachelor Happy Hour and Bachelor Nation. Until next time.

[Susan]

We will see you next week and tell you about the rest of our week that we're having together.

[Kathy]

It's going to be a wild time. Have a great week.

[Susan]

Have a good one.

[Sponsor Voice 1]

I just received my order from Deets and Watson. I am so excited. I got chicken, sausages and flavored cheddar cheeses. I think my favorite favorite one was the champagne cheddar. Dietz and Watson has been handcrafting premium meats and artisan cheeses for over 85 years. They're family owned and operated and they've never cut corners. Ever. Dietz and Watson is simply made. It's as simple as that. Visit dietzwatson.com the right way to learn more about the Deets difference.

[Host 1]

Summer is basically here, which means it's time to decide if you want to go blonde, maybe become a redhead or chop your hair short. But before you encounter a hair disaster, try it out in Facetune first and see what it looks like before committing to the change. It's a lifesaver. Facetune lets you try color, length or style on virtually any photo. It even works on reels and TikToks so you can see how you'd look as a blonde before you reach for the hair dye or hit that salon chair.

[Sponsor Voice 3]

I've tried out Facetune and it's so fun to see what I look like with different hairstyles and different lighting. I definitely recommend it. Before you make a big change. You can even try out different makeup looks. Facetune can also smooth skin, vanish flyaway hairs, and fix whatever your photo needs. It will make your pictures and videos flawless. So even if the lighting is not on your side, Facetune has you covered. Download Facetune free on the App Store or Google Play.

[Sponsor Voice 2]

Hey, question. Are you an extra care member at cvs? Because there's literally no reason not to be. It's super easy to join and members instantly get extra big deals on the things you buy most. I mean, this is the stuff you're already buying. Snacks, personal care products, all of it. And after you join, the savings just start to show up. Deals are fresh every two weeks, but they don't last long. Head to your local CVS or open the CVS app, look for extra big deals and start saving today.

[Host 1]

Quick pause for reef because your feet deserve better. You know them for sandals, but the woman's Neptune is that effortless sneaker you didn't know you were missing. For me, I'm always on the go. Whether I'm running around the city, catching the subway, running through airports, trying to catch my next flight, or just trying to get through a long day comfortably, these Reef Neptune shoes have genuinely become my everyday go to. They're lightweight, super comfortable and extremely versatile, making it easy to style with literally anything. I love that I can slip them on, head out the door and know that my feet are taken care of all day. If you're looking for a shoe that keeps up with real life and these are it, check out the Woman's Neptune on reef.com and treat yourself to 15% off your first purchase. Can I come clean about something? I am definitely not someone who likes doing laundry. Yeah, I don't think there is anyone who does. Whether you put your stinky gym clothes in with your delicates, forgot a load of clothes in the washer for a few days, or haven't washed your favorite jeans in far too long, you're not alone. Luckily, Arm and Hammer Deep Clean is here to help. Arm and Hammer Deep Clean is the powerful shortcut that forgives your own shortcuts. It's made for real life. Stinking stains because it's just laundry, you shouldn't stress over it. And now you don't have to. From the number one liquid detergent brand that tackles more loads than any other. Come clean with Arm and Hammer Deep Clean Number one Claim based on Total Wash loads sold this is an Iheart podcast.

[Susan]

Guaranteed human.