Juliana Says to Be Nice!

Summary

Bachelor Happy Hour – "Juliana Says to Be Nice!"

Podcast: Bachelor Happy Hour
Hosts: Joe Amabile & Serena Pitt
Guest: Juliana (current Bachelor contestant)
Date: February 27, 2025
Episode Theme:
This episode dives into Juliana’s journey so far on Grant’s season of The Bachelor. Juliana reflects on family roots, Italian heritage, the dynamics of the house, highs and lows of Bachelor drama, her late one-on-one with Grant, and her signature philosophy: be nice, always.

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Table of Contents

1. Juliana’s Background & Family
2. Life Before The Bachelor
3. First Night Impressions & The Bachelor Experience
4. House Friendships & Bonds
5. Watching Herself on TV
6. Drama Recap: Zoe, Carolina, Rose, & House Conflict
7. Juliana’s Relationship Journey with Grant
8. Hometown Hopes & Family Fears
9. Philosophy: “Be Nice!” & Notable Quotes
10. Rapid Fire - Getting to Know Juliana

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1. Juliana’s Background & Family

[04:34] Juliana grew up in Newton, MA, in the same house as her mother. The sentimental attachment runs deep, as her family has roots tied to the home and even a signature purple couch that belonged to her grandmother.

“They just got a house in Florida, so I’m like—can you just keep this house for a few more years till I can buy it?” – Juliana [04:52]

[05:33] She comes from a big Italian family, but Italian language skills are limited, despite frequent trips to a small town in Italy.
Favorite Italian dishes: cacio e pepe and chicken parm [05:42].
Joe and Serena joke about their own “fake” Italian language (with Joe comically referencing his honeymoon attempts) [06:13].

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2. Life Before The Bachelor

[06:46] Juliana’s sister signed her up for The Bachelor without her knowledge after they began hosting “Monday wine nights” while watching the show.

“Somewhere along the way, she signed me up and never told me. So I got a call this past, like, April, and, you know, it took me off guard... I was kind of like 50/50 at first.” – Juliana [06:52]

[07:26] Juliana didn’t have much dating activity prior to the show: she dislikes first and second dates, but occasionally browsed dating apps “like online shopping.”

“I don’t really love first dates, and I don’t love second dates, so I was kind of just doing my thing.” – Juliana [07:31]

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3. First Night Impressions & The Bachelor Experience

Night One Prep and Introduction

[09:04]
Juliana’s sister planned all her outfits, even labeling them with sticky notes. Her entrance theme—combining her Italian background and her “sweet treat” reputation—was a cannoli for Grant.

“We just tried to combine the two, and we came up with a cannoli and wanted to give him a little taste of me. Right. Right from the jump.” – Juliana [09:04]

Meeting Grant

[09:46]
Juliana was nervous but found Grant even more attractive in person. Most notable was his attentiveness—“really, like, listening” with eye contact and body language.

“I could just tell he was really, like, listening to me... that I was like, okay. I was a little reassured that I thought he was. I had an inkling that he was a good guy.” – Juliana [10:00]

Rose Ceremony Anxiety Juliana felt the pressure on that first night:

“When you’re standing in the rose ceremony that first night, it’s…so many emotions that you grapple with...your ego and your heart and the desire to…want more opportunities… If I go home, I think I’ll feel, like, embarrassed and sad are the first things that I…would feel.” – Juliana [10:41]

Night One Activities (Piano, Chess Fails & Goofiness)

[11:46]
Juliana recounts her attempt to win Grant over with her rudimentary piano skills—relatable to Joe’s “fake” Italian and Serena’s flashback about her own failed chess demonstration on her night one.

“I’m like a fake piano player. And then all of a sudden, I was trying to win a man over with my lack of skills.” – Juliana [12:08]

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4. House Friendships & Bonds

[13:01–14:33]
Juliana connected instantly with Ali Jo, who served as her “safety net” until Ali Jo’s departure. Later, her closest friends became Vicki, Parisa, Seraphina, and Latia.

“As you get deeper and deeper into the process and there’s fewer and fewer of you, you kind of start to lean on people… I hope that they’ll be lifelong friends.” – Juliana [13:14]

On support from fellow contestants:

“In the aftermath… having people that… can understand what you went through. Because I can talk to my friends and my family about this all day… but… they don’t really understand where I’m coming from.” – Juliana [14:15]

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5. Watching Herself on TV

[15:54 & 16:03]
Juliana admits it’s “weird, for sure,” and critiques herself harshly while trying to maintain humor and use the experience as self-reflection. Emphasizes growth:

“You’re your own worst critic… but at the same time, just trying to take everything with a grain of salt and laugh because I have a mindset that, you know, life is just too serious to take seriously.” – Juliana [16:03]

Watching her family react to her kissing on TV is “cringy”—it’s only the second time she’s brought a man home.

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6. Drama Recap – Zoe, Carolina, Rose, and House Dynamics

Zoe’s Early Moves

[19:19–24:17]
Zoe’s decision to monopolize time on the group date ruffled feathers, but Juliana clarifies the real issue was Zoe’s lack of consideration for the rest of the group—and especially her dismissive re-entry into the room after.

“The way she came back into, like, read us afterwards…wasn’t the best from my perspective.” – Juliana [19:54]

Despite initial tension, the house did not let the drama fester past episode 2 [21:02–21:25].

Carolina and Rose Controversy

[30:27–36:31]
The group was surprised by Carolina sharing details with Grant about things Rose said, which escalated quickly. Juliana shares insight on the negativity in the house, the pitfalls of misplaced trust, and the difficulty of coming back from such a “game of telephone” scenario.

“My initial reaction was the same. It’s like, Rose, why would you say that?... I think that she thought she was being provided with a safe space…compartmentalized her friendship over the relationship. And ultimately…she got burned because of it.” – Juliana [34:47]

“You just don’t have enough time on this show to dig yourself out of a hole.” – Serena [36:31]

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7. Juliana’s Relationship Journey with Grant

The Late One-on-One Date Anxiety

[36:31-39:53]
Juliana had asked Grant not to give her a one-on-one too early, fearing she wouldn’t open up—but by the time the last one-on-one approached, she panicked she may have missed her chance.

“I definitely like, screwed this one up. I probably should have kept my mouth shut and just let him do what he thought was best.” – Juliana [37:24]

Serena and Joe discuss the pros/cons of late versus early one-on-one dates—and for Juliana, the timing worked: “If you have such a good time and you are able to kind of, like, get deeper, then moving forward...there’s less and less girls. So, you know, you get more time…” [38:54]

Disneyland Princess Date & Serious Nighttime Conversation

[40:05–44:52]
The “Disney princess” date allowed them to focus on fun and natural interaction during the day. That evening, Juliana opened up about her family’s experience with substance abuse, which Grant could deeply relate to based on his own family history.

“There’s no rulebook for handling substance abuse…But to see him…see love be at the forefront…that to me meant everything.” – Juliana [42:53]

This made their connection stronger, checking an important box for Juliana.

Comparing Connections

Juliana’s slow-burn style meant she wasn’t jealous or competitive. She was pragmatic about comparing connections:

“We’re all dating him…what did you like and what did you dislike?…I was never really intimidated or nervous by anybody’s relationship…” – Juliana [45:50]

Surprises at Hometowns

She was surprised by Natalie and Parisa going home, and especially by Zoe making it to hometowns with less one-on-one time.

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8. Hometown Hopes & Family Fears

[59:07]
Juliana’s main concern for hometowns was whether her loud, loving, extroverted Italian family might be overwhelming for Grant, especially knowing he would be meeting three other families.

“When I tell you my family’s, like, loud and crazy…if they don’t know you, they will have you come sit, pour you a drink, and ask you your life story. I didn’t know if that was going to be overwhelming.” – Juliana [59:07]

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9. Philosophy: “Be Nice!” & Notable Quotes

The “Be Nice” Mantra

[58:10–58:50]
Juliana wore a T-shirt saying “Be Nice” (which inspired the episode title). She explained the phrase is tattooed on her—her grandmother’s mantra:

“Life is just way too hard, and it’s too serious to spread anything but kindness. And, you know, the people that deserve to be loved the least need to be loved the most. So be nice, bitches.” – Juliana [58:22]

On House Drama & Carolina

Juliana recounted trying to resolve issues with Carolina directly and respectfully, but said she will always “speak truthfully and stand on my own business.”

“I would never intentionally try to paint somebody in a negative light…there’s just a lot more to the story, but… I was able to provide him some clarity in that [with Grant].” – Juliana [56:53]

“I respect her as a person and a human. I just don’t have to like her, and that’s fine. And that’s fair.” – Juliana [57:29]

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10. Rapid Fire – Getting to Know Juliana

[59:56–62:11]
Joe and Serena finish with a lighthearted Q&A. Highlights:

• Dream vacation: Sicily
• Comfort movie: Step Up
• Unwinding: Glass of cab sav
• Love language: Love letters
• Go-to drink: Extra dirty gin martini with Hendrick's
• Inspirational figure: Her grandmother, Olympia
• Sisters she’d bring to a deserted island: Ali Jo and Parisa (“Parisa would take care of all the bugs”)
• Unforgettable advice: “When life gives you hell, just keep going. Because why would you ever want to stay in hell?”

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Notable Quotes – Quick Reference

• “You’re your own worst critic…life is just too serious to take seriously.” [16:03]
• “The people that deserve to be loved the least need to be loved the most. So be nice, bitches.” [58:22]
• “There’s no rulebook for handling substance abuse…But to see him…see love be at the forefront…that to me meant everything.” [42:53]
• “I just don’t have to like her, and that’s fine. And that’s fair.” [57:29]
• “When life gives you hell, just keep going. Because why would you ever want to stay in hell?” [61:41]

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For Bachelor fans craving insight into Juliana’s authenticity, how drama really goes down, and the underlying philosophy that shapes her approach to love, friendship, and TV fame, this episode is unmissable.

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[Joe]

Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Joe.

[Serena]

And I'm Serena.

[Joe]

And we are here today with Juliana. Juliana, welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour.

[Juliana]

Thanks for having me, guys.

[Serena]

Thanks for coming on.

[Joe]

How are you doing? How you feeling?

[Juliana]

I'm feeling good. I'm feeling good. I'm just excited to be here.

[Joe]

Nice. All right, We've been watching you. We just saw. We watched your one on one. We'll get all into that. But before we do, a little background. Where. Where are you currently living?

[Juliana]

I'm right outside of Boston. I'm in Newton, Massachusetts.

[Joe]

Nice. Is that where you grew up?

[Juliana]

Yeah, Yeah, I grew up in Newton. I actually grew up in the same house that my mom grew up in, so.

[Serena]

Oh, that's so nice. Wow, that's gonna be a hard day if you guys ever have to sell that house.

[Juliana]

I know, I know. They just got a house in Florida, so I'M like, can you just keep this house for a few more years till I can buy it?

[Serena]

Yeah, I'll keep it in the family. I was actually just at my parents place this past weekend and I was thinking like, damn, I'm gonna be really sad if they ever sell this house.

[Joe]

Or the couch.

[Juliana]

So many memories.

[Serena]

Or the couch in the basement. Yeah, the couch in the basement.

[Juliana]

So comfortable traveling couch that my grandmother had in her house and we can't get rid of it. It's like a purple couch and purple was her favorite color. So it's just like rotating from, like, storage unit to, like, house. You don't have the heart to, like, do anything with it.

[Serena]

Someone's got to design like a whole room just around this purple couch.

[Juliana]

Totally.

[Joe]

So you're from a big Italian family?

[Juliana]

I sure am.

[Joe]

What's your favorite? What's your favorite Italian food? Your favorite dish?

[Juliana]

Well, I go between couch e pepe and I love a good chicken parm, so this depends on how hungry I am.

[Serena]

Do you speak any Italian, or does anyone in your family you know?

[Juliana]

Not really, to be honest. I have a couple. We have a couple people that do because we go to this small town in Italy every few years and so we just are all ducklings behind the few that can actually understand and speak. But I've been on duolingo and I got a pretty good streak going.

[Serena]

Oh, get it.

[Joe]

We were in. When Serena and I were in Italy for a honeymoon, I was speaking.

[Serena]

No, Joe would tell, Joe is Italian. He doesn't speak a lick of Italian. No one in his family does. And we were in Italy. And they would be like, oh. He'd be like, oh, a mobiley. Like, you're Italian. Do you speak any Italian? And he would say a little bit like, in French. You were like. And I'm like, first of all, that's not Italian. Second of all, you don't speak a little Italian. You. They're going to start talking. You're not going to know what they're saying.

[Joe]

I just hit them with, yeah, you.

[Juliana]

Can'T fake it to them.

[Serena]

No, they know. They'd be like, okay, so you're lying.

[Joe]

So, Juliana, how did you get on the Bachelor?

[Juliana]

So a couple of years ago, my sister and I started to do, you know, Monday wine night. And we were just watching a few scenes seasons. And somewhere along the way, she signed me up and never told me. So I got a call this past, like, April, and, you know, it took me off guard. And they asked if I'd ever been interested and my sister signed me up, and I just. I was kind of like 50, 50 at first, and I just thought there was, you know, no harm in going through the process, and ultimately it panned out, and then I was on.

[Joe]

What was dating life like for you before going on?

[Juliana]

Very minimal. Not too much happening in the relationship standpoint. I. I'm. I don't really love first dates, and I don't love second dates, so I was kind of just doing my thing. But I was on the dating apps and swiping for fun. It's like online shopping.

[Serena]

This is a good show for you, then, like, if you're like, I don't like that. Like, initial, like. Like texting, got to get to know them. Like, this really is a good process for you.

[Juliana]

I was speed dating. You know, do you have any.

[Joe]

Any guys in your past that you think, like, watch the show? Like, what the fuck? She's. What. What's she doing on here?

[Juliana]

It's funny because I'm friends on social media with some of them, like, Instagram, and. And so I've got a couple dms, but mostly they're on my side. You know, they're rooting for me. And all good. Everything ended well. You know, I never ghosted anybody. I just. I just was like, you know, this isn't for me.

[Joe]

You've never. You've never ghosted anyone ever?

[Juliana]

Oh, I probably ghosted somebody at some point.

[Joe]

That's what I thought. That's what I thought.

[Juliana]

Yeah. Some people, I probably was like, walked out of that first date was like, block number delete.

[Serena]

Yeah. Done with you.

[Juliana]

Yeah.

[Serena]

All right, let's get into the show. How did you decide on your night? One dress, your night one introduction with Grant? All the things.

[Juliana]

Yeah. So my sister helped me with all of my dresses, like, all of my outfits. She. We did sticky notes, and she basically packed my suitcase for me. So I felt really good in that department, and I went in with an idea. But ultimately, my producer and I kind of worked to tie in a couple of, like, aspects of myself. Like, I'm known for loving a good, sweet treat, and I'm Italian. And so we just tried to combine the two, and we came up with a cannoli and wanted to give them a little taste of me. Right. Right from the jump. Yeah.

[Serena]

Super cute. And then what was your first impression of Grant? Was he kind of what you expected?

[Juliana]

Yeah, I. I, for sure, like, blacked out the minute I got out of the Uber. I mean, the Uber. The limit.

[Serena]

Uber black.

[Juliana]

Yeah, uber black.

[Joe]

Crazy. If you pulled up to that to the house at an Uber.

[Juliana]

I probably should have, but. Yeah, no, he was looks wise. You know, everything that I was excited for and then even more. He was, like, taller than I realized. He was more handsome in person than, you know, I think I anticipated, which took my breath away a little bit. But I think one of the coolest things was, like, when I was talking to him, I could just tell he was really, like, listening to me. It's in, like, your body language and your eye contact and things like that. And so that I was like, okay. I was a little reassured that I thought he was. I had an inkling that he was a good guy.

[Joe]

Were you at all worried that first night that you could potentially go home?

[Juliana]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Juliana]

Oh, my gosh. But it's not until, I think, the rose ceremony that you really kind of get that rush of emotions because there's so much happening, and you're also getting to know girls and trying to think about, you know, your. Your conversation with him. And when you're standing in the rose ceremony that first night, it's. It's so many emotions that you grapple with of, like, you know, your ego and your heart and the desire to, you know, want more opportunities to kind of get to know him and for him to get to know you. And you're like, oh, my God, if I go home, I think I'll feel, like, embarrassed and sad are the first things that I. I think I would feel.

[Joe]

Yeah, it's pretty embarrassing.

[Juliana]

No shame to the night one goer homers.

[Serena]

But, you know, Joe went home night one.

[Joe]

We don't have to say it every.

[Serena]

Well, it's good context when you're like, yeah, it is embarrassing. Like, you're speaking for. From experience. You're just shitting on the night one.

[Joe]

Yeah. Well, if any of the night one people come for me, then they'll. They'll figure out that I went home night one, you know?

[Juliana]

Yeah. Yeah. But you know what? Everything happens for a reason.

[Serena]

Everything happens for a reason.

[Joe]

That's true.

[Serena]

How was your first conversation that first night with Grant?

[Juliana]

It was good. It was good. You know, I was. I was having the worst time of my life trying to play the piano. I will admit that, you know, because I don't really know how to play. I just taught myself Moonlight Sonata. Oh, my gosh. So, like, how I speak Italian, it's like, what?

[Joe]

It's like how I speak Italian.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Juliana]

I'm like a fake piano player. And then all of a sudden, I was trying to Win a man over with my lack of skills and. But he. He made a joke of it. It was good. It kind of was the initial feeling of like, oh, wow, we can be kind of goofy together. So I walked away feeling really good.

[Serena]

That's so funny because I played chess on night one. That was like, my activity. And I had said, like, yeah, no, like, I've played chess before. We got like, a big chess board. I was super excited.

[Joe]

I was like, play chess.

[Serena]

Okay. So, like, I guess I had, like, more confidence in myself than I should have because, like, when the time came, I was like, I don't think I've played chess in, like, 15 years. But I was like, you know what? It's okay. Like, he's not here looking for a chess player, and I don't think Grant's there looking for a pianist, so it's okay.

[Juliana]

Yeah, like, that. That's. I'm going to take that off my resume moving forward. I'm not going to tell anybody that. What.

[Joe]

What girls did you click with from the beginning, and did any of those girls stick around to being one of your closest friends in the house? It's kind of a weird way to phrase that, you know.

[Juliana]

You know, night one, me and Ali Jo just clicked immediately, and she was definitely my. My safety net, you know, until she went home. But I. I'd like to think that me and a lot of the girls ended up having really good relationships, and I hope know we can maintain them after the show. I did get really close with Vicki and Parisa, and as you get deeper and deeper into the process and there's fewer and fewer of you, you kind of start to lean on people that maybe you didn't initially, you know, get. Be attracted to. And, you know, I got really close with Seraphina and Latia, and I think that they'll. I hope that they'll be lifelong friends.

[Ed]

Nice.

[Juliana]

Yeah.

[Serena]

I feel like it's such a special bond, especially when you first come off the show and it's airing, you know, being able to connect with these people, even if it's only for a season of life. But you do have this, like, really intense shared experience.

[Juliana]

Yeah. Yeah. And. And especially in the aftermath of it, having people that, you know, just also can understand what you went through. Because I can talk to my friends and my family about this all day, and, you know, they can give me the usual advice that does help, but it's also. They don't really understand where I'm coming from.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Serena]

100.

[Joe]

It's different, for sure. Did you watch the show before you.

[Juliana]

Went on it for a couple seasons? Yeah. Yeah. I don't remember when I started, but I. To be completely honest, I was just going to my sister's house on Monday night to drink some wine, and, you know, then it just kind of turned into this, well, we have something to watch, and I got into it.

[Joe]

Any. Any. Any season that's you would say has been your favorite?

[Juliana]

I would say. I mean, just because it. It's kind of all. I really remember, like, Joey season was really good. I thought all the girls on that were really fun. Jen season was a little harder to watch, I feel like, because it was a pretty accurate representation of, like, the current dating world with, like, the men that were on it.

[Serena]

Interesting.

[Juliana]

Yeah. And so as a viewer, you know, watching her kind of try and maneuver that in the setting that she was in, when we're trying to do that on the outside world too, it's like you can't help but just root for her and want her to succeed.

[Serena]

All right, let's fly through a little bit of the drama this season and get some of your thoughts, and then we'll dive deeper into your one on one this week.

[Joe]

Wait, wait, real quick before we do.

[Juliana]

Yeah, Go off.

[Joe]

What's it been like watching yourself back? Has that been weird or you've been. Is that something you're comfortable with?

[Juliana]

It's weird for sure. It's. It's cringy. You know, you're your own worst critic. So I. I've been having, like, a hard time, but at the same time, just trying to take everything with a grain of salt and laugh because I have a mindset that, you know, life is just too serious to take seriously. So if I can make a joke out of something, it. It almost stings less when someone else tries to make a joke out of it too, because we can laugh together. And it's also been a really good opportunity to see things about myself that I like and see things about myself that maybe I want to change. And that's between, like, me and my conscience, you know? So it's. It's weird. It's definitely like, kind of like something I wish I could run away from, but at the same time, it's. It's helpful if you allow it to be.

[Serena]

How's your family watching you kiss a boy?

[Joe]

We do see how. We do see. And we do see. You can't. You can't spoil it. I don't know if your dad's serious or not, but we do see in the Teaser. Her dad's like, she just. Just.

[Serena]

Did you just kiss my daughter? Yeah.

[Juliana]

Yeah, yeah. You know, he's. It's hard for them. Not hard, but it's different for them for all the reasons of seeing it on tv. But also, I haven't brought, like, I've never brought a guy home. That's only happened once in my life. And so they've never really seen me interact with, like, men that I'm romantically involved with. And so I'm the baby of my family. My. My parents are like, what the hell is happening? Even though I'm 28, they're like, she's still like a baby to. To them. And so watching me kiss other people, like, it's cringy for me. I can't imagine how God awful it is for them. I just made them beg. Beg. I begged them to, like, promise me that if it looked like that was gonna happen. Close your eyes. Just please.

[Serena]

Yeah, look away. Look away.

[Juliana]

Yep. Never happened. Don't know what you're talking about.

[Serena]

That's so funny as anything since watching it back happened on the show that you were really surprised by, or you were like, whoa, I didn't know that happened. Or like, I can't believe this person was saying that. I feel like, because it's a smaller cast this season, that doesn't happen as much.

[Juliana]

Yeah, it really didn't. I mean, we had such a. From my perspective, really awesome group of girls that was, you know, we were able to kind of keep our cards close to our chest, but also, like, support each other and listen and, you know, I don't think anyone really had any sort of, like, malicious intent with anything. And the drama was, from my eyes, very minimal. So, yeah, nothing really surprised me. The llama was, like, probably one of the most surprising things night one, because I just. I don't know what I thought when he told me there was going to be a llama inside. But I did not llama. There was gonna be a real llama. Like, greedy.

[Serena]

I forgot you were the one he said that to. That was so funny.

[Juliana]

Yeah, he was like. Said that. And I was like, okay, cool. Like, catch you later. And then you're like, what did he.

[Serena]

Just say to me? Yeah, you're like, what a weird joke there.

[Juliana]

And I was like, wait, what?

[Serena]

So funny.

[Joe]

Jumping to some of the conflicts and drama in the house. I would say maybe start with the. Still start with the Zoe stuff, because that seemed to end in a. In a positive light. It seems like that kind of went away.

[Serena]

You were on both the. You were on the basketball group day and the finance group date, right? Okay.

[Juliana]

Yeah.

[Serena]

So in your eyes, were you surprised on that first group date when Zoe pulled him? Were you like, whoa, like, here we go. Like, it's all happening.

[Juliana]

I don't know if surprise is the word, because I feel like that's a common theme in this season, like, someone's gonna do it, but I will say is that, like, the amount of time that it took away from us is something I wasn't really anticipating. So I know that that's kind of what ruffled a lot of feathers. And then just, like, the way she came back into, like, read us afterwards was. It wasn't the best from my perspective. So I think that also was, like, just even, like, digging. Digging the hole deeper and adding, like, fuel to the fire that she. She started. But, you know, it's fine. Like, not everybody's going to go in there with the same game plan, but I think it's just, for me, it's a matter of, like, respecting people. And I think when she came back is when I was like, oh, wow. Like, she. She had, you know, no thought of us and what, you know, what her actions could maybe, like, prevent us from doing, which is, you know, all trying to be there to get to know him.

[Joe]

Yeah. So usually when that shit happens, it, like, lingers throughout the season, but it does seem like it kind of just, like, went away after episode two. Yeah, like. Like, after a little bit, it went away.

[Serena]

Could you give us some insight into. Is that how it felt? Like she came in hot and then it dissipated a little bit or what was kind of the dynamic?

[Juliana]

Yeah, it was kind of like it. That happened. Right. The basketball date happened. And I think that tensions were high for a lot of reasons that day. And so we tried to sort it out that night, and we didn't really get to a conclusion, and we all just needed to go to sleep, regroup, figure out what's going to happen next. The finance state, I think, is what kind of made things more confusing, because in between that period, we had kind of sorted through things and, you know, obviously you guys don't get to see. See everything, but there's so many conversations that happen, and nobody ever wanted anybody to feel, you know, isolated by choice. And so when she. When Grant came back in and did, you know, his, like, mic drop drop moment about us, like, belittling people, I mean, I just kind of looked around and we were going, like, one by one saying, you know, what was your conversation about what Was your conversation about. And it was so late. I was so tired. I was like, let's skip to the point.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, you were the want you.

[Serena]

Call to the chase. Zoe, what was your conversation about? Okay, that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And honestly, good for you because, like, we were even watching it being like, we don't need to do this dance. Like, everyone's sitting there, know, knowing that, like, this ca. Or it most likely came from Zoe. You know, like, we could start there and then work our way backwards.

[Juliana]

Yep.

[Joe]

Thank you for speeding up our tv, our TV watching process.

[Juliana]

And, you know, we had been all talking, like, just about how fun the date was and how, you know, it was so light and especially coming from the basketball date where we were like, you know, humbling each other. We're like, this was nice, you know, and then she opened up and. And talked about, you know, her emotions and they were so valid. But I think to kind of hear that from her and try and support her then to hearing, like, all of a sudden we were belittling. It was like we were just trying to figure out what it was so we could, you know, stand better with her and support her because we didn't understand what. What, like, that was stemming from, I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, and then it just kind of like after that, you know, you see us all sobbing and crying and I think we were all just trying to figure out, like, if we were ever going to be able to find, like, common ground or if this was going to be, you know, maybe more of like a victimizing situation where we couldn't win no matter what we did. And that felt like, you know, full loss because then it's he said, she said. And if that was the trajectory of, like, the season, I don't think any of us would have been able to, like, last.

[Serena]

Yeah, it probably just felt like, oh, my gosh, we're already so drained and like, we have no idea how long this conflict is going to go on for. And you're so tired, like, it's overwhelming.

[Joe]

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[Joe]

So then. So you and Zoe both make it to hometowns. Do you guys eventually start getting along like, is everything cool then after. After all that?

[Juliana]

Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, it was after the basketball date, we resolved things. After the finance date, you know, we resolved things too. It was like, we don't have to be friends, you know, we don't have to even really agree with each other. We just have to be cordial. And we have to understand that, like, there are multiple people involved in this, and you can't just make it about yourself when you're in a group setting. You know, take that time when you're alone with your own thoughts or, you know, with Grant to, like, figure that out, but don't kind of, like, spew that on us all the time. And it was good, and we were fine. Yeah.

[Joe]

Okay, so here comes Carolina and Rose. Oh, Carolina and Ro. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guess. Like, what's your point of view on the whole Carolina situation? Or do you want to. Do. You want to do part by part?

[Serena]

Let's do Carolina and Rose first, and then we'll jump to.

[Joe]

Okay, Carolina and Rose.

[Serena]

Any insight what went down there? Because what happened?

[Joe]

Because here, as a viewer and us, like, kind of recapping the show and watching the show, it's kind of like you feel bad for Rose, but in the same breath, you're kind of like, why would you tell. Like, in my opinion, like, why would you tell Carolina that Grant said that?

[Serena]

Like, why. Why didn't see that conversation?

[West Prop]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Like, why give up that information? Because really, that's. That's hurting you no matter what way you look at it. By. By releasing that to Grant.

[Juliana]

I know. Yeah. It's so tricky because I remember it was prom night, and I saw Carolina having kind of a long conversation with Grant, and I forget who I was talking to, but my perspective was like, you know, oh, good, let her have this long conversation. She's probably talking about all the insecurities she talked to us about nonstop when she came home from the date, and she might either finish that conversation and, like, leave, or she might stop having all these, like, doubts, and then the conversations with us will be better. And because we had. I don't think any of the girls had any idea that that had happened, you know, behind her and Carolina. And so.

[Serena]

Oh, interesting. She hadn't mentioned it to anyone of, like, oh, my God, guess what Rose said to me last night?

[Juliana]

No, I don't think so, because we were all kind of like, what is she talking about? I was the one being, like, all of her insecurities that she's been talking to us about. So, like, let it happen.

[Joe]

Were her insecurities. Her insecurity, like, her being insecure if, like, Grant was into her or her being.

[Serena]

Yeah, we're hearing a lot on the show of, like, her neg. Like, we're hearing vague statements of, like, her insecurities, her negative comments. But, like, could you give Us a little. Yeah, just like. Like what, more specifically was it?

[Juliana]

Yeah. You know, the tricky thing is that obviously, a lot of conversations do tend to happen off camera, and I don't know if that's intentional for these reasons or not, but, you know, I don't want to necessarily play telephone, but there were, from my eyes, some doubts about who he was as a person and the process, which is fine and fair, but you kind of have to accept that going into it, and you can have doubts, but to constantly tear down what we're all also here to do is hard to hear and just doubts.

[Joe]

About, like, going on American Idol and being like, this is a singing competition.

[Juliana]

Like, yeah, yeah. You know, she's like, I don't even know if I could sing. And you were like, well, then why'd you come? You know, it's like you could do your best, you know, but you can also opt out if you realize it's not for you, and nobody will judge you. So I think hearing the things about Grant that we did, especially when she was the one who had kind of one of the only few people who had alone time with him, we're all trying to make sense of, you know, this process and. And him as a person, and we're kind of taking what people are saying and making our own judgments. So to hear negativity about him when we haven't had a chance to really get to know him is hard, because then you're maybe more reserved than you already were, or you're not ready to, like, open up, or you don't trust him because of somebody else's, you know, emotions. And so it's tricky. You know, it hard, and it was. It was just really negative all the time.

[Serena]

Gotcha. That's. That's helpful context, for sure. So she comes back from her conversation with Grant, and I'm assuming Grant then pulls Rose right away, and does it kind of start to unfold within the house of what's happening?

[Juliana]

Yeah. I was sitting next to Rose, and. And he came in hot, and he was like, rose, can I talk to you? And I kind of, like, looked at her like, oh, wow.

[Serena]

He's like, you. Let's go outside.

[Juliana]

And I looked at him, and I was like, oh, like, he's not. He's not really happy. He doesn't look like happy. And when she left, we were all kind of like, ooh, what's happening? And then I think, you know, that's when the game of telephone started happening, and girls were kind of finding out little pieces of Info and we were putting things together and I was just like, oh, shit. My initial reaction was the same. It's like, rose, why would you say that? You know, what, what possibly did you think was going to happen that could have a positive impact on yourself, him, Carolina or the group by, like, speaking that into existence? And I said that to her right after the Rose ceremony. I was kind of, you know, I. I lost my composure for a second and I was like, what are you doing, girl? And then I think you start to kind of get to know people's personalities more. And I don't think Rose had a single ounce of like, malicious intent. I think that she thought she was being provided with a safe space to have a girl to girl conversation in. In a way that compartmentalized her friendship over the. Over. Over the relationship. And ultimately I think she got burned because of it, because she maybe trusted the wrong, wrong person or people.

[Joe]

Interesting.

[Serena]

That's so hard. It was unfortunate because we did like Rose and I mean, we still like Rose, but it just seemed like that incident, once it happened, it was going to be really hard for her to come back from.

[Juliana]

Yeah, I don't, I don't think there's really any, any coming back from that. In the short amount of time that you have. If you're trying to dig yourself out of a hole during that time, it's like, it's almost useless. You got to kind of.

[Serena]

You just don't have enough time on this show to dig yourself out of a hole. You know, like, yeah, you're gonna.

[Joe]

You're in the hole. You're in the hole. Okay, let's. Let's talk about you now. Okay. We. It's, you know, it's the, the day or week before hometowns. You guys are in Edinburgh at this point. You haven't had a one on one. Where is your mindset with. Where you stand with Grant going into Edinburgh?

[Juliana]

Well, I remember one of me and Grant's first conversations. I had told him, you know, I was like, do not give me a one on one too early because, like, I won't open up. And I'm literally.

[Serena]

Oh, really?

[Juliana]

Yeah. And then, so then we're like, you know, we leave Scotland. And I was like, shit. Like, I. I think I messed that up because, you know, I don't even know if I'm gonna get one now.

[Serena]

Wait, you mean Madrid?

[Juliana]

Leaving Madrid?

[Serena]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Juliana]

And I was like, oh, my gosh. Like, I definitely, like, screwed this one up. I probably should have kept my mouth shut and just let him do what he thought was best. And I was panicked because I thought kind of going into Madrid, I was like, oh, you know, it's gonna be my time to shine. He's keeping me around for a reason. And then, you know, you're like, wow, we have one more chance before hometowns. And I didn't know if I was even going to be able to go to hometowns if I didn't have that one on one time or if he was going to even be able to see that, like, future with me.

[Serena]

That's so interesting because I. We literally just talked about this on our recap and I think in Madrid, I had said, like, I thought this might be, like, I thought Juliana might get the date this week. And we were just saying, I was like, I don't know, like, what happened? But, like, this is a late date. Like, it's not a good sign. Like, I don't know how this has happened. That, like, you know, it's literally you're.

[Joe]

Taking yourself out of the game. If I. If I was Grant, I would have been. I would have with you for sure. I would have been like, I would chose someone that could have been you and I would have just walked away. That could have been you.

[Serena]

That could have been you.

[Juliana]

I was definitely, like, shaking in my boots for sure.

[Serena]

But it seems like as much as it probably provoked some anxiety in Madrid, it may be paid off in the long run because you did get the chance to open up. And maybe you wouldn't have felt comfortable if you'd gotten like a week, two, week, three date.

[Juliana]

Yeah. And. And it's a. It's a funny position to be in, but honestly, I think the later one on ones are a little bit better because you have such a good. If you have such a good time and you are able to kind of like get deeper then moving forward, there's less and less girls. So, you know, you get more time to continue, you know, to work on that. Where in the beginning it's like you feel for girls who get the first one on one because then kind of like the rest of the time they're watching other people get those opportunities and you're back in a group setting in the minimal cocktail date, night time and rose ceremony time. And you depend on like those moments to build on a relationship that you had a whole like day date and night portion to really kind of like get into.

[Serena]

Yeah, you essentially never had to go from a one on one back to a group date. Yeah, you. You got your one. You. It was like group dates and then one on one dates. That's nice. That is nice.

[Juliana]

Yeah, it was a good feeling. Yeah.

[Serena]

So you get this princess dress up date. How do you feel about the activity? How's it going with Grant?

[Juliana]

It's going really good with Grant. You know, I think this was definitely one of the times where we just had fun during the day portion, for sure. We kind of just, you know, in the little moments that you do have when you're not, you know, having a deep conversation or, you know, you're kind of switching up scenes or settings, you kind of just get to know somebody in. In those, like, little moments a lot more. So I started to feel really comfortable with him. And so, you know, not to say that things were just, like, surface level, but it was more like, let's just have fun because we don't know what's going to happen, and let's try to enjoy each other's company and see if this is something that, you know, could. Could actually really work on the outside world. And we did that. You know, we. We did a little dress up. We, you know, drank some champagne. We got to, like, dance, you know, and on a red carpet.

[Joe]

How awkward was that?

[Serena]

And the worst with those dates is you're like, I don't want to do this, but at the same time, like, the sooner we get this done, the sooner it's over. Like, the sooner we nail this dancing, the sooner we can stop dancing.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Juliana]

I was, like, praying that, you know, my date was not gonna involve one of those, like, you know, singers or artists. And it's just you two. I'm so awkward and, like, I don't know how to dance. And so I was just like, that's probably not for me, but luckily we had, you know, professional dancers around us, and I hope that they, you know, they were still in the show.

[Serena]

Yeah, they killed it.

[Joe]

See, that's the. That's. That's the, like, paradise, like, how you explained, like, you know, between sets and, like, being able to, like, get to know somebody that way. Like, paradise is the opposite. Like, you actually get to know somebody, like, all day. And then, like, those on screen moments.

[Serena]

Are kind of like, I would. I would minimal what you're saying and say, like, the in between moments that you get on Bachelor and Bachelorette is, like, most of your time on paradise versus.

[Joe]

That's what I said.

[Juliana]

Hi.

[Serena]

I know that's what you meant. I don't know if that's what you said.

[Joe]

That's fair.

[Juliana]

I'm following now.

[Serena]

Yes. And then we go into the night portion, and you open up about your experience. Having someone close to you in your life deal with substance abuse, which is something that Grant can relate to. He's been very open about his father struggles and how that's impacted his family, his relationship. Was it comforting opening up to him about that, knowing that he was hopefully going to have a deeper level of understanding?

[Juliana]

Yeah, I truthfully, when I listened to his interview before coming on, coming on the season, that was one of the things that I found most endearing about him, was that he knows what it's like to love somebody and watch them struggle with that. But rather than, you know, there's no rule book for handling substance abuse, there's no right or wrong way, and everybody, you know, handles things differently. But to see him, like, see love be at the forefront of how he was viewing it and handling it, that to me meant everything because, you know, that's how myself and, and my big family kind of went into that. And it paid off well for us. It doesn't always pay off. But to have somebody that had been through that and handled it similarly, I, I felt really comfortable talking, talking to him about it.

[Joe]

Yeah, that's good. Do you think you're. Did that make your relationship stronger after that conversation and just after your entire one on one?

[Juliana]

I think so. I think that, you know, you see somebody in interviews or you see the way they talk about it, you know, to, to other people, but to have that conversation with somebody who's also been through it and be able to connect on that. And one of the, One of the biggest things too about it is, you know, when you're going through that and you're. You kind of isolate yourself. Whether that's by choice or by circumstance, being able to find the strength and the determination to dig yourself out of it is really powerful. And to me, that's a characteristic of him or a character trait of him that I, I got to really understand. And that for me was enough to be like, okay, another checkbox. Like, he's a good one. I want to keep them nice.

[Serena]

Going into your one on one day, where would you say your relationship was at? And then leaving your one on one date, how are you feeling about everything.

[Juliana]

Going into it? Nerve wracking. Because, you know, you kind of have. We've had. We had a really good base. I will say that, you know, we have had. We had really good conversations. Some were just silly and lighthearted and some were really serious. But, you know, for the most part, it was. I was still trying to understand If I really liked him. And so leaving the one on one, I felt sure about him as a person from the conversations we had. And, you know, I don't think anybody's perfect, but I think that he is, you know, a really well rounded, compassionate, caring man. And that was the type of person I wanted a future with. So I felt secure. Yeah.

[Joe]

Were you at this point now? We're pretty deep into it. Are you starting to compare your relationship to the relationship of the other girls with him? Like, is there anyone you're worried about at this point?

[Juliana]

I tried to really just compartmentalize that with the girls, and I pride myself that I feel like I did a really good job. I was always able to listen when girls wanted to talk about their. Their time. And I never took it personally because I. Like I said, I'm a bit of a slow burn. So I'm. I'm never the one that kind of just like, latches onto somebody and gets jealous. I'm kind of like, we're all dating him. We all kind of like him. You know, what did you like and what did you dislike? And I kind of took that back with me and. And tried to kind of save it for. For future use, informing my own opinion. So I was never really, like, intimidated or nervous by anybody's relationship, but I definitely saw what I felt is some relationships were stronger than. Than others. And you try to resonate with the girls in terms of, like, oh, you know, if, like, am I like her? You know, is he. Is he gonna make sense for me? But not necessarily by, like, intimidation. It's just in comparison by nature of the circumstances.

[Serena]

What I was waiting to see if you were gonna ask her. If I was gonna ask.

[Joe]

Well, I was gonna. What I was gonna ask. Well, we'll both.

[Juliana]

We'll.

[Joe]

We'll both present our questions, and you choose which one.

[Serena]

No, no, no, you go, you go.

[Joe]

Was there. Were you. Were you at all surprised by who we chose to take to hometowns? Was there anyone that went home that you were like, huh? And see that coming?

[Juliana]

Yeah, I think Natalie going home was like a big one for me. Parisa even going home. I got really close with Parisa, and I loved, you know, everything about her. And so it's just like. Like I said, you kind of start to resonate with certain girls and you wonder where his head's at, if he's sending some home and not others. And, you know, we're all. We were all really, like, amazing girls and beautiful inside and out, but it's still the people that you see maybe a little bit of yourself in that when they get sent home, you kind of feel like, oh shit, like what is he thinking? And am I next?

[Joe]

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[West Prop]

All right, Wes West Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop podcast. You already know our get down. If you grew up in our urb, a comfort of struggle, you understand politics much more than you giving credit for feds taking over American cities government. Hop out boys hopping out the van, snatching up your Theo and them two wars that were supposed to be solved in 24 hours. Jerry just out here mandering all over the place, the turfs and of course the Epstein of it all. Well, this week we decided to shoot our shot and boy did we pull up from the logo to see if we could get somebody to come take tap in with us. And the one and only Jamil Hill pulled up from the Spolitics podcast to keep it a whole century in America.

[Narrator/Host]

What sells in politics are narratives and storylines. It's like we treat politics like we treat sports, which is part of the reason why we're in the situation we're in right now.

[West Prop]

Listen to the Hood Politics with Prop podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

[Juliana]

Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor and.

[Drew Phillips]

I'm Drew Phillips and we run a.

[Juliana]

Podcast called Emergency Intercom.

[Drew Phillips]

If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated adhd.

[Juliana]

Oh my God, perfect.

[Drew Phillips]

And want to hear people with mental illness psychobabble.

[Juliana]

Yes, yes.

[Drew Phillips]

Then Emergency Intercom's the podcast for you. Open your free iHeartradio app, search emergency Intercom and listen now.

[Ed]

My name is Ed. Everyone say hello Ed.

[Joe]

Hello.

[Ed]

I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer and my mum is a cousin. So like, it's not like what do.

[Wisecrack Host]

You get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago.

[Ed]

I just normally do straight stand up, but this is a bit different.

[Wisecrack Host]

On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear.

[Ed]

On 22 July 2015, a 23 year old man had killed his family and then he came to my house so.

[Wisecrack Host]

What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand up comedy and murder take center stage. Available now listen to Wisecrack on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Serena]

So we just saw Carolina, Seraphina and Alex. Alex just got sent home.

[Joe]

Yeah. So out of, out of those women, were you, Were you at all? Did you think like maybe Dina was not going to make it and Alex was or anything like that?

[Juliana]

No, I think I felt, I felt pretty good about like, you know, him keeping Adina and Latia. Those made sense to me. Obviously he's got a tough position to make, but Zoe not having one on one time. Yeah, that to me was like surprising because I was like, wow, their connection must be so strong in the small amount of time that they got that he didn't even feel like he needed that additional time. And that was a surprise to me. Not that I didn't like see their connection, but obviously Zoe was not really like opening up to the group, so she was very closed off. So you don't really know kind of what was happening behind closed doors with her. And so it definitely. That took me by surprise.

[Serena]

No, that took, that took us by surprise too, for the exact same reason. Just like, oh, wow, like, the connection must be strong based on like the fact she didn't get a one on one. She's still going to hometowns.

[Juliana]

Yeah, totally.

[Serena]

I want to quickly ask you not to take it off the love and bring it back to the drama, but you were like, had a little moment with Carolina and then we saw you talk to Grant about that.

[Juliana]

Yeah.

[Serena]

Were you nervous at all to bring that to him for what that may have meant for your relationship with him, your relationship in the house. I know that can be like a scary position to be in.

[Juliana]

Okay, well, I want to, I would like to say with that is, you know, I think if you really rewind and, and watch the conversation that I had with, with Carolina initially and how I started it, I truly went in there with the intention of having a girl to girl respectful conversation and bring up that the fact that her, her words and her actions were having a negative effect on the people around her because I, I did not think that she was aware of that. And it was in her response to me is what made it feel and look more like a confrontation than what was ever intended. Gotcha. And so then my conversation with Grant, you know, like I said, there's a lot of things that Happen behind closed doors. And I'm not a liar, and there's truth in what I said. But I thought that my game plan going into the night was that I was not going to bring it up to him, and I wasn't going to bring it up, you know, ever again to the other girls. He wanted to address it, and it was. It. I felt it would be doing him a disservice if I didn't at least try to present the facts that I knew. Not any of the hearsay, not any of the telephone, Just things that I knew that had been said about him and his character and how it was affecting the group. And that, to me, is true to who I am. So, you know, that's just a little taste of it. And if he didn't like that, then it was probably for the best of us that, you know, I went home because that I'll never not speak truthfully and stand on my own business, but I will also never poke my neck into situations that don't necessarily necessarily require my words.

[Serena]

Well, yeah, and if he's asking you, you're obviously going to say, okay, well, you're asking me a direct question. I am going to give you my most honest answer because you're asking me for information, and I'm gonna. I'm not gonna lie or say something that I don't feel is true.

[Juliana]

Yeah. And I would never intentionally try to paint somebody in. In a negative light. You know, obviously things are cut and clipped as to, you know, this. The story that needs to be told, and that's fine. And what was shown, it did come out of my mouth. I think that there's just a lot more to the story, but that I was able to provide him some clarity in that.

[Joe]

On a scale of 1 through 10, 10 being love, 1 being hate, where does Carolina fall in that?

[Serena]

Oh, that's such an aggressive question. Oh, my God.

[Juliana]

I think that right now, Carolina and I are in a very similar position, that we've opened ourselves up to public judgment, and some people are going to agree with her and disagree with me and vice versa. But the one thing that I would never do is try to bring additional negativity her way, knowing that it could hurt her. I wasn't trying to tear her down in the conversation when I pulled her one on one, and I'm not trying to tear her down now. And I will never try to tear her down because I respect her as a person and a human. I just don't have to like her, and that's fine. And that's fair. And that's how I feel about it.

[Joe]

Okay, so you hate Carolina.

[Serena]

No, it's a great answer.

[Joe]

Okay, wait.

[Serena]

May I ask, is that the motivation for the be nice T shirt you're wearing today? For everyone listening, Juliana's wearing a white T shirt and a black letters that says be nice.

[Juliana]

I think, you know, one of the. One of the biggest things that I try to pride myself in is a quote that my grandmother used to say and she instilled in my entire family's life. And I have a tattooed on me, and it says, it's nice to be nice. And, you know, life is just way too hard, and it's too serious to spread anything but kindness. And, you know, the people that deserve to be loved the least need to be loved the most. So be nice. Bitches.

[Serena]

Love it. I love that.

[Joe]

Okay, before. And play a quick game with you.

[Juliana]

Okay.

[Joe]

Before we do, going into quick question, what are you most worried about going into hometowns with Grant, meeting your family or. Not worried, maybe just nervous.

[Juliana]

Yeah. Like, when I tell you my family's, like, loud and crazy, and they just, like, if they don't know you, they will have you come sit, pour you a drink, and ask you your life story. I didn't know if that was going to be overwhelming. And knowing he was also meeting three other women's families, like, I didn't want him to feel like it was too much. And I had no idea, like, who was really gonna, like, show up and show their, you know, loudness out and say something out of pocket. And I was just. I was so nervous about that. Like, I love my family. And so going into this, it was like, you have to love these people, because if you love me, you're gonna love them, and they will love you right back. But we're not for everybody, and that's okay.

[Joe]

I feel you. I feel you there. Okay, we're gonna play a quick game, rapid fire. Get to know Juliana. It's just Juliana. Okay, first thing that comes to your head. What is your dream vacation destination?

[Juliana]

I want to go to Sicily.

[Joe]

Favorite comfort movie or TV show.

[Juliana]

Step up.

[Joe]

How do you step up?

[Serena]

Oh, that was a throwback answer. I was not expecting that.

[Joe]

How do you unwind after a long day?

[Juliana]

A glass of cab salve.

[Joe]

What is your love language?

[Juliana]

Love letters.

[Joe]

What is your favorite home cooked meal?

[Juliana]

Pasta and turkey meatballs from my sister.

[Joe]

What is your go to drink at a bar?

[Juliana]

A dirty, extra dirty martini with gin. Hendrix, please.

[Joe]

What is someone? Who is someone? I just had one of Those. Who is someone that inspires you?

[Juliana]

My grandmother, Olympia.

[Joe]

What music artist would you love to see perform live?

[Juliana]

I don't really like concerts, but I feel like Teddy swims.

[Serena]

I like that.

[Joe]

If you were stranded on a deserted island and you could only bring two girls from your season, who would you bring?

[Juliana]

Ali, Jo and Parisa. Because Parisa would take care of all the. All the bugs.

[Joe]

What is a piece of advice you've never forgotten.

[Juliana]

When life gives you hell, just keep going. Because why would you ever want to stay in hell?

[Joe]

What are three essentials you always have in your purse?

[Juliana]

Chapstick, a little perfume, and extra contacts. Because I'm blind.

[Joe]

And if you could describe Grant season in one word, what would it be?

[Juliana]

Eventful.

[Serena]

Eventful. It has been eventful.

[Joe]

Juliana, thank you so much for coming on Bachelor Happy Hour and taking the time. It was really great interviewing you and getting to know you.

[Juliana]

Thank you guys for having me. I appreciate it.

[Joe]

And thank you, everyone, for tuning in to Bachelor Happy Hour. Make sure you download and subscribe.

[Serena]

Don't forget to watch Juliana and the other women on Grant's hometown episode coming up. And thank you for listening.

[Juliana]

Bye. Foreign.

[West Prop]

West Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcast. You know, I get down. You come from the urban areas. You understand politics more than you giving credit for. Between Jerry out here mandering all over the place. Hop out, boys. Snatching up family members and two wars that was supposed to be done in 24 hours. Not to mention Epstein. We had to reach out to the homie Jamil Hill cause she gonna keep it a century.

[Narrator/Host]

The American public is used to being entertained. We're a consumption society. So what Trump figured out is entertain them and they'll never question you.

[West Prop]

Listen to the Hood Politics with Prop podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Juliana]

Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor.

[Drew Phillips]

And I'm Drew Phillips.

[Juliana]

And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom.

[Drew Phillips]

If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated adhd.

[Juliana]

Oh, my God, perfect.

[Drew Phillips]

And want to hear people with mental illness psychobabble.

[Juliana]

Yes. Yes.

[Drew Phillips]

Then Emergency Intercom's the podcast for you. Open your free iHeartradio app, search emergency Intercom and listen.

[Ed]

Now, I just normally do straight stand up, but this is a bit different.

[Wisecrack Host]

What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where a comedian finds himself at the center of a chilling true crime story.

[Ed]

Does anyone know what show they've come to see? It's a story. It's about the scariest night of my life.

[Wisecrack Host]

This is Wisecrack, available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Serena]

On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric, I sat down with Jasmine Crockett, Democratic representative of Texas. She's holding down the fort for her party in one of the most conservative states in the union. I think that ultimately who will become the Democratic nominee for president will be someone that has been out there and has shown that they won't allow themselves to be punched and just say thank you like they will punch back. Listen to Next Question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Joe]

Let's start with a quick puzzle.

[Juliana]

The answer is Ken Jennings appearance on the puzzler with A.J. jacobs. The question is, what is the most.

[Joe]

Entertaining listening experience in podcast land Jeopardy truthers believe in? I guess they would be conspiracy theorists. That's right. They gave you the answers and you still blew it. The puzzler. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Narrator/Host]

This is an iHeart podcast.