Kaity Biggar: Fantasy Suites, Babies, & Life After I Do! | Golden Hour

Summary

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Bachelor Happy Hour: "Kaity Biggar: Fantasy Suites, Babies, & Life After I Do!" | Golden Hour

Date: November 11, 2025
Guests: Kaity Biggar (Former Bachelor contestant, now married to Zach Shallcross)
Hosts: Kathy, Susan

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Episode Overview

This Golden Hour episode reunites Bachelor alumna Kaity Biggar with hosts Kathy and Susan for an in-depth conversation about married life after The Bachelor, building a new home, future baby plans, reflections on her season (especially during Fantasy Suites), and offering advice for current contestants. Listeners are treated to firsthand details about Kaity’s relationship with Zach, transitioning from on-camera to real-world love, and endearing anecdotes—plus some playful banter about pickleball, holiday shopping, and upcoming Bachelor alumni events.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Life After "I Do" and the Wedding Celebration

• Kaity shares updates about married life with Zach, their upcoming wedding celebration, guest list (with lots of Bachelor alumni), and plans for a “big pickleball tournament” to kick things off.
• Quote (Kaity, 03:23): “We have our wedding celebration coming up literally next weekend. So we are so pumped for that. We have a lot of Bachelor alumni coming in.”

Timestamps:

• Guest intro & married-life update: [02:48-03:09]
• Wedding details & alumni attendees: [03:23-04:13]

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2. Building Their Forever Home & Preparing for Family

• Kaity and Zach are building their dream home (target completion: July/August) and excitedly discuss choosing finishes and making space for a growing family—it's a spacious five-bedroom home!

• Quote (Kaity, 05:25): “It’s got one, two, three, four, five bedrooms in it.”

• Kaity discusses making health a priority before starting a family, mentioning managing chronic fatigue and vitamin D deficiency.

• The plan: Start “pulling the goalie” (trying for kids) in Fall 2026, after settling in the new home.

Timestamps:

• New house update: [04:35-05:38]
• Family planning & health: [06:06-07:13]

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3. Married Life: Has Anything Changed?

• Kaity reflects on the transition from engagement to marriage, affirming their love and how nothing “fundamental” has changed beyond the joy of growing together as a couple.
• Quote (Kaity, 07:53): “Whether there’s two rings on my finger or no rings at all, we’re just so in love with each other.”

Timestamps:

• Marriage changes & glowing review of Zach: [07:40-08:33]

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4. The “Real” Proposal—Unplugged and Unscripted

• After the show’s highly produced proposal, Zach surprised Kaity with a second, off-camera proposal in Portugal, making it meaningful and authentic to their relationship.
• Quote (Kaity, 08:51): “He re-proposed to me in Portugal, which was beautiful. It was just us, and it was perfect.”

Timestamps:

• Second engagement story & personal meaning: [08:33-09:53]

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5. Immigration Journey: Canada to Permanent Resident

• Kaity discusses starting the process for her U.S. green card after moving from Canada, and the complexities of citizenship and residency. She plans to keep her Canadian citizenship.
• Quote (Kaity, 16:19): “In December, we’re going to start the process. And then from there … it’s kind of like the unforeseeable future of when I can leave the country.”

Timestamps:

• Immigration status: [16:09-17:00]

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6. Fantasy Suites & Navigating Relationship Jealousy

• Questioned about Fantasy Suites, Kaity emphasizes self-confidence, compartmentalization, and not fixating on Zach’s other relationships (“If you want that, that’s amazing. If you don’t, then you don’t. And … best of luck.” [19:27])
• She offers advice for current contestants: prioritize authenticity, honest communication, and don’t impose unnecessary rules (“Don’t put any declarations like ‘oh, I’m not having sex this week,’ anything like Zach did, because that turned the corner in the worst way.” [18:11])
• Kaity describes the value of getting off-camera time to see the “real” partner and discuss deeper issues—sometimes spending most of the night talking.
• Fantasy Suites as relationship “make-or-break”: It can matter, especially as space to have unfiltered conversations, learn about habits, and communication styles. She jokingly shares that she learned how “clean and organized” Zach truly is.

Memorable Exchanges:

• On confidence vs. jealousy:
  • Kaity (19:27): “I was confident in our relationship, and I was confident in who I am as a woman and what I can bring to the table. And if you want that, that’s amazing. If you don’t, then you don’t. And … best of luck.”
• On second-guessing:
  • Kaity (33:44): “I wasn’t confident, but I’m confident in what I could bring to the table. If it’s not me, I’ll be okay. … If it is me, then he’s gonna be the happiest man alive for the rest of his life.”

Timestamps:

• Bachelor advice & Fantasy Suites candidness: [18:11-20:20]
• Handling off-camera talks, intimacy, and conflict: [31:16-32:43], [24:38-26:09]

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7. The Importance of “Normal Life” and Avoiding the Fame Trap

• Kaity’s advice for new Bachelor couples: “Go back to your regular lives and try to mend them together.” Don’t let Bachelor Nation hype or social media obscure the real relationship.
• She describes Zach as “pretty much offline,” which she appreciates (“I kind of would take that over a man that’s like, ‘Hey, babe, get a shot of me doing bicep curls for my followers.’” [22:23])

Timestamps:

• Returning to normalcy after Bachelor whirlwind: [21:43-23:20]

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8. Reflections and Community

• The group reflects on Bachelor Nation “what-ifs,” favorite moments, and what they wish they’d known.
• Hosts and Kaity exchange support for each other’s love journeys, toss jokes about Kathy’s love life and Susan’s new French boyfriend, and celebrate the friendships formed through the show.

Timestamps:

• Bachelor memories, Fantasy Suites impact, and group banter: [23:30-26:09], [37:20-40:02]

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9. Looking Ahead: Bachelorette Reactions & Party Plans

• Kaity expresses enthusiasm for Taylor Frankie Paul as the new Bachelorette, especially given her existing following and being a single mom, forecasting a “crazy good season.”
• Excitement for the big upcoming Bachelor alumni party, with dress code chat and Kathy prepping for her competitive pickleball bid!

Timestamps:

• Bachelorette casting & expectations: [35:38-37:02]
• Party details & dress code: [41:23-41:56]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On relationship priorities:
  • Kaity: “Being a nurse, I just want to be the healthiest I possibly can, especially before we have a little baby.” [06:21]
• On reality vs. TV romance:
  • Kaity: “You see me for everything that I am when the cameras are off. Like, you see my flaws and all the good, the bad, all of it.” [08:51]
• On personal growth:
  • Kaity: “It’s just so fun waking up with your best friend.” [07:53]
• On advice for Bachelor couples:
  • Kaity: “Try and go back to your regular lives and try to mend them together. You can get really consumed by all of this craziness … take advantage of some of it, but not let it consume your life.” [23:02]
• On the value of authenticity:
  • Kaity: “In the fantasy suite, I was like, all right, here I am. This is the real me.” [26:08]
• On future dreams:
  • Kaity: “We’re just normal kids who fell in love on a TV show.” [23:29]
• On how Zach helped during difficult times:
  • Kaity: “There was a moment … I turned to Zach and I’m like, I can’t do this anymore… and he was like, ‘It will be worth it.’” [35:31]

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Closing Tone

The episode wraps in a warm, affectionate tone, with hosts celebrating Kaity and Zach’s love story, sharing optimism for future couples, and swapping playful stories about life, parties, and Bachelor Nation hijinks. Kathy and Susan express admiration for Kaity’s humor, resilience, and authenticity—a fitting testament to the real-life happiness that can follow a reality TV romance.

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For Bachelor fans and new listeners, this episode offers a generous, heartwarming, and honest peek into love found on (and after) reality TV—and the joy of finding “normal” happiness together.

Transcript

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[Kathy]

Welcome back to Bachelor Happy hours golden hour. Thanks for joining us today. We are so excited to be back as always. How are you today, Susan?

[Susan]

I am fabulous. I'm really excited about today's guest and she is very special to us. Please welcome Katie Bigger from Zach Shellcross season. Hi, Katie welcome to golden hour.

[Katie]

Thanks for having me again. Guys.

[Kathy]

I'm so gone. You've got that happily married glow on your face.

[Susan]

Telling you the hair, the skin, she's just glowing.

[Katie]

Oh, thank you.

[Susan]

What's going on?

[Kathy]

Have you been.

[Katie]

We're, we're doing really good. Zach's working his 9 to 5. I'm a part time nurse still and we have our wedding celebration coming up literally next weekend. So we are so pumped for that. We have a lot of bachelor alumni coming in for that.

[Kathy]

Okay, so let's get into that. Who's coming besides yours truly?

[Katie]

We've got all the girls like from my cast that I'm really close with. So Jess, Mercedes, Gabby, we've got Davia, Ariel, that crew coming in and then we've got Joey, Kelsey, we've got, we've. I don't. Kathy, I don't know if you've met him yet, but it's Jenna Pallock's boyfriend Connor Saley who was on Hannah Brown season. He'll be.

[Kathy]

Oh no, I've not met him.

[Katie]

Yeah, so that'll be super fun. Coming in. So there's like a bunch of people from different seasons coming in. It'll be a good time.

[Kathy]

How big a party is this going to be?

[Katie]

It's probably going to be, I think we're looking at 130 people for the celebration and then we're doing like a big pickleball tournament in the morning.

[Susan]

Oh, that's gonna hurt.

[Kathy]

I just can't break anything. I got my paddle ready. I'm ready to go.

[Katie]

Break anything, please.

[Susan]

So tell us about your new house. You got a new home?

[Katie]

Yes. So Zach and I are building a home. It'll be made or, sorry, it'd be finished building in like July, August. They're saying they just broke ground. So that's super exciting and I'm just like so pumped about it. Like this is my Super Bowl. I got to like pick all the colors. My cat, Lauren. I'm just.

[Kathy]

I saw you, you had a, you, you, you posted. I saw you looking at countertops and picking out marbles and granites and I thought, oh, she's having a blast with that.

[Susan]

Oh yeah.

[Katie]

Oh yeah. And Zach's just like, do your thing, Katie.

[Susan]

Like you got perfect husband. The perfect husband. Whatever you like, babe.

[Katie]

Yes, yes.

[Kathy]

So, so is this house. Watch this. Seamless transition, Katie. So is this house big enough to have children?

[Susan]

Oh yeah.

[Holiday Shopper]

Oh yeah.

[Katie]

It's got 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 bedrooms in it.

[Susan]

Whoa.

[Kathy]

What?

[Susan]

How far is it from where you're at.

[Katie]

Now it's more. We're north, so it's more south. It's a bit. It's a bit south of the airport. So it's probably like a 15, 20 minute drive from where I am right now. So we're going to be on the complete other end of Austin, which I'm excited for now.

[Susan]

Kathy, are you south of the airport?

[Kathy]

No, I am. I am in central Austin, so Katie will be south of me, but still close enough for me to come over and babysit. For sure.

[Katie]

We're gonna need you because we have no family here.

[Kathy]

I'm family.

[Katie]

That's right.

[Kathy]

So we have a question. You said in something I read, I think it was a Bachelor Nation article, which are always fabulous fun to read if you listeners. If you don't read them, you should. You said something about your health being 100% before you have children. What does that mean?

[Katie]

Yeah, I think right now I went to a doctor because I've been like having like chronic fatigue. I've been having brain fog muscle.

[Susan]

Are you pregnant?

[Katie]

No. I would do that, but I guess I'm like really low in vitamin D, so I'm on these, like, me too. Supplements. And there are some other things too that I gotta check out and make sure we're all good. Yeah, but I think just like being a nurse too, I just want to be the healthiest I possibly can, especially before we have little baby and Are you gonna try.

[Susan]

Are you just gonna let it happen and not care which one way or the other or do plan.

[Katie]

Yeah, I, I think our plan is to kind of like start pulling the goalie in like fall of 2026.

[Susan]

Get in the house, get settled.

[Katie]

Yeah, exactly. And I don't want to be like nauseated while I'm decorating because I'm so excited for this. Like, I don't want to be like throwing up and I just want.

[Susan]

I just want Katie.

[Kathy]

Not everyone, let me just tell you, not everyone throws up and get sick. Some people just get pregnant, like me and eat until they explode and then pop the babies out and do it all over again.

[Katie]

I hope that's the case for me. I truly hope that's the case.

[Susan]

So has anything changed after saying I do? Do you feel any differently? I mean, you were living together, so. But what has changed, if anything?

[Katie]

I. I don't know. It's just like, we're just so in love with each other. Whether there's a two. Two rings on my finger or no rings at all. We're just so in love with each other. And he's just such an incredible man. Like, I, I, he genuinely. He's like the kindest, sweetest, most thoughtful, selfless, like, everything you want in a husband. That's what Zach is. And, yeah, I don't think anything. I can attest to that with each other. Yeah. We're just growing every day, and it's just so fun waking your best friend. He's so fun to hang out with all the time. Fun things.

[Kathy]

We have to go back. Does everybody know? I think they know. One of the sweetest things Zach did for you was another engagement.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

Does everyone know that story? Can you just, like, give a quick little.

[Susan]

Share it.

[Kathy]

Share it.

[Katie]

I mean, we did post it on social media, but I think after the show, like, obviously, that was very constructed by the Bachelor and the whole setup and everything and lights and cameras, that's just, like, not normal. So I think Zach always had this idea of wanting to propose to me again, and I think it was really sweet because it's kind of like, okay, now you see me for everything that I am when the cameras are off. Like, you see my flaws and flaws and all the good, the bad, all of it. So, yeah, he re proposed to me in Portugal, which was beautiful. It was just us, and it was perfect. And we went on a little sunset.

[Kathy]

Did you know he was going to do it?

[Katie]

I had a feeling he was going to do it, but not there. And I guess he was, like, carrying around the ring all day, and he didn't know when to do it. It was just very, like, at the whim, he was like, okay, baby, like, I love you so much. And then as soon as he said that, I blacked out. I was like, oh, okay.

[Kathy]

So wait, because I, you know, I'm a detail person. So you had one ring on, and this is an engagement of, you know, untold proportions. Like, whoever does this. Darlene, I love you. Let me slip off that other diamond ring and let me slip on a new diamond ring.

[Katie]

Yeah, it was. It was pretty funny, but so now you have two. So now we have two. So we have.

[Susan]

Are we blending them and getting a giant one at this point or what? What is your plan?

[Katie]

It's funny because I have put them on at the same time, and it's just too much for me. I'm just like, a simple, I don't like anything too flashy kind of girl. So I think we're gonna hold on to the Neil Lane diamond for now maybe.

[Susan]

I don't know if you have a daughter it could be hers.

[Kathy]

Yeah, you know, she's. Kitty's not flashy. You know, a five bedroom home that she's building. I mean, there's nothing FL about that.

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[Holiday Shopper's Friend]

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[Holiday Shopper's Friend]

No, after Thanksgiving. Okay, that's different. That's different. Halloween? No, not Halloween.

[Holiday Shopper]

You know, I consider myself to be a pretty good gift giver. I've got my list and I've checked probably three times.

[Holiday Shopper's Friend]

She takes the holidays very seriously.

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[Kathy]

I love you. And you know that we've both been kind of busy and haven't seen you very much, but I'm saying it here publicly. When that little munchkin or twins or triplets, whatever you may have, I will be there to help you, I promise.

[Susan]

Oh, I know you will fly in and help. We just missed you too. We were all there.

[Katie]

The more than.

[Susan]

Was she out of town? What was it? Remember I asked about her and we.

[Kathy]

Were all the whole. The whole. So we had a little get together. That was my slip Up. That was me. That was me.

[Katie]

I was so busy, though. I was. I was watching your guys stories and you guys, we were looking like a. Like you were having a blast. And finally, Kathy's kitchen was used, so that's good.

[Kathy]

Hey.

[Susan]

Even though it was morning when we cooked, but.

[Kathy]

So wait, Katie, I have a question about your. I know you want to become or at least get a green card, correct?

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

Have you started that yet?

[Katie]

So basically when I left Canada in August, there's a three month, kind of like probation period where I can't do anything. So basically in December, we're going to start the process. And then from there it's kind of like the unforeseeable future of when I can leave the country, when we will get it. But I'm working with a great immigration lawyer, so hopefully sooner than later, but we'll see. It's.

[Kathy]

Yeah, it's. It's a lot, but that's just for a green card. Do you plan on becoming a citizen?

[Katie]

No, I'll keep my citizenship in Canada.

[Kathy]

But you can have both.

[Katie]

Yeah. I'll be a permanent resident here. I don't want to take away my Canadian citizenship.

[Kathy]

You don't have to. You can be dual.

[Katie]

Okay.

[Podcast Host]

You have both.

[Katie]

You can be dual, but I think you have to. I don't know the in and outs. I don't want to.

[Kathy]

I do. My sister was my sister's tool. You could.

[Katie]

Okay. I didn't. Oh, I think it's maybe like the reverse. Like, if Zach and I were to live in Canada, he would have to revoke his U.S. citizenship in order to be a Canadian.

[Susan]

Canadian.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Katie]

Yeah. There's one of them where you can't have both. And I think it's if. If he came to Canada, but.

[Kathy]

Well, my sister moved. I don't know. Maybe laws have changed. My sister moved to Canada, married a Canadian, and kept dual citizenship.

[Katie]

Okay, well, maybe I'm wrong.

[Kathy]

I don't.

[Katie]

Maybe.

[Kathy]

I don't know. But whatever. We would love to have you in this country as a citizen, permanent resident. We'll take anywhere we can get Katie.

[Susan]

She just belongs here.

[Kathy]

She belongs here. So we just had Mel season fantasy suites. We just. It just aired on Golden Bachelor, and we were curious because we are voyeurs. We want to know about your experience as a successful couple that went through fantasy suites. So if. If Mel is with someone right now, what advice do you have for the woman he's with? What? You know, tell us what your thoughts were. Fantasy suites moving forward.

[Katie]

I mean, for Mel, I would just say, be yourself. Trust your gut. Don't put any declarations like, oh, I'm not having sex this week, anything like Zach did, because that kind of turned the corner in the worst way. But, yeah, I think also just, like, taking advantage of the time, really getting to know each woman for who they are.

[Susan]

How did you feel being there? What were your.

[Katie]

For me, I mean. I mean, everybody's gonna deal with Fantasy Suite week differently. I think. I've watched the Bachelor in the past. I knew full fledged what I was getting into when I signed that contract. If I got that far, then that was potentially something that was gonna happen, and I wasn't blind to that, and I knew that going into it, and I just wanted to compartmentalize each relationship as best as I possibly could.

[Kathy]

Wait, do you mean. I'm sorry, I have to interrupt. You mean Zach's other relationships? You said compartmentalize the relationships. Which one?

[Susan]

Yeah, the other women. Right?

[Katie]

Yeah, with the other women.

[Kathy]

Okay.

[Katie]

Gabby and Ariel were there for Fantasy Suite week, and. Yeah, you just. I just wanted to go into that week and just grow together and get to know him more and vice versa. That's all I wanted.

[Susan]

And you weren't thinking about the other women? You weren't?

[Katie]

No, I wasn't trying to because I was very confident in our relationship, and I was confident in who I am as a woman and what I can bring to the table. And if you want that, that's amazing. If you don't, then you don't. And. Yeah, best of luck.

[Kathy]

So. So Susan and I were just talking on one of our other podcasts about what we. Of course, we don't know how Mel's season, as we're recording this, we don't know how his season ends, but, you know, he's struggled a little bit to. To choose to. To declare love. He hasn't really been able to. And so Susan asked me, what could you have done that if. If Mel said to both women, look at. I can't choose either one of you because I. I need to get to know you better. Could you have done that with Zach? Could you have said, I honestly respect.

[Katie]

That if you don't think you can get there.

[Susan]

And he wanted to continue dating both of you after the show. That was the question.

[Katie]

Okay.

[Susan]

That's a big difference. Okay.

[Katie]

Yeah, you will. You need to pick. You need to pick which one you want to further. Thank you. Grow your relationship.

[Kathy]

You wouldn't. Okay, so you wouldn't have been willing with one of. If it was down to two you and let's say Ariel and this was over.

[Susan]

He's gonna.

[Kathy]

Show's over. He says, I can't commit to either one of you again. We don't know what Mel did. This just a hypothetical situation.

[Katie]

Right.

[Kathy]

You. You wouldn't. You would have said to Zach, no way. You choose me or you choose Ariel. Otherwise.

[Katie]

Yeah, I'm not doing this for. Yeah, no, maybe this is why I'm.

[Susan]

You know, your girlfriend. Right. Okay. Kathy. I asked her this question. She said no. I'm confident in myself. He could date both of us after the show because I feel like he.

[Kathy]

Would choose me at the end.

[Susan]

There is no way.

[Katie]

Yeah, yeah, that's tough. I like after the show. It's kind of like you should know by that point who you want to carry a relationship with.

[Kathy]

Okay. It's gonna be another show, another season. All right, well, what advice do you have? Because clearly you. You got the guy. You didn't have to share him with anyone. What advice do you have for the couple? Melon. Assuming he chose someone coming off the show because, you know, getting out of that bubble is a thing.

[Katie]

Oh, my God, is it ever. I think for us, it really worked for Zach and I just. Because we truly just wanted to, like, dive into our relationship further when we could just prance around, go for coffee dates. How does he treat a server? Like, what do you like with your friends, meeting them. So I think we, Zach and I just really just wanted to be with each other. And we didn't let, like, like press or events or any of that. Our life. Like, Zach is pretty much offline. He doesn't love social media. Even like, him trying to, like, when I say, babe, can you get in this? Tick tock. It's like pulling teeth for him.

[Susan]

So now you need us. We'll do that.

[Katie]

Yeah. And honestly, I kind of. I would take that over a man that's like, hey, babe, get a shot of me, you know, doing bicep curls for my followers. Like, okay. Like, that's not the guy I can't. That's not the guy I want to be with. So anyways, Zach went back to his normal life. I went back to mine. I mean, I was a full time nurse. Now I'm a part time nurse. And I'm very grateful for that because we know the emotional and the physical.

[Susan]

Yes, that's a lot.

[Katie]

Yeah. That can create. But yeah, we just went back to our normal lives and we, you know, the events that we wanted to go to the.

[Kathy]

So would your advice be for Mel and Whoever. To go back to their. You know, what would your advice be for them?

[Katie]

Yeah, I think just, like, going back to your regular lives and, like, hard try and try and mend them together. I mean, you can get really consumed by all of this craziness, and even in the bubble, take advantage of some of it, but not let it consume your life. Like, Zach and I are just normal kids.

[Susan]

You gotta get to normal.

[Katie]

Yeah, exactly.

[Kathy]

Did you hear what she just said? We're just normal kids who fell in love on a TV show.

[Katie]

So cute.

[Susan]

All right, I have a question for you. And we're talking about past seasons. Out of the entire franchise, is there anybody that you wish that would have been able to make it to Fantasy Suites?

[Katie]

You know what? I think everything happens for a reason. And I think no matter what, the leads just have to trust their gut. But somebody who made it further.

[Kathy]

Dang.

[Katie]

I don't know.

[Susan]

A lot of times people will say, but if he chose, like in this year's episode of golden, if he had. If he kept Debbie, or if he kept so and so going through a.

[Kathy]

Fantasy suite, or if Gary had chosen me.

[Katie]

Oh, I don't know how to answer that question.

[Kathy]

Tough one.

[Katie]

I don't. I don't really remember.

[Kathy]

Well, let me ask you. That's my next question. Katie. That's my next question. How much of a make or break do you think fantasy suites are?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Katie]

It depends what happens.

[Podcast Host]

I.

[Susan]

Well, isn't it when you take your mics off, you actually talk as a couple?

[Katie]

That's when you really get to know somebody. Like, it's. It's hard. So in the. In those moments. Yes. At Fantasy Suite week, you really have to, like, you kind of, like, stay up for, like, the whole night, just.

[Kathy]

Okay, I want to know that. So what is the biggest thing you learned about that you can share? The biggest thing you learned, the most important thing you learned about Zach in fantasy suites that you didn't know.

[Katie]

Oh, I. I learned how clean and organized he was. Like, he had his, like, shirts laid out on the bed. He had his toothbrush in a specific spot. I'm like, oh, be here. We're like, what is this? I love it. I love it. But I was like, wow, this man is clean. Like, very clean.

[Susan]

He's neat and organized. That's a big plus.

[Katie]

His little bag. And I'm like, I've got everywhere. Sorry if I'm not allowed to say that word. But, yeah, I learned how organized when.

[Susan]

You got to do the Fantasy Suite. When you walked in, did you Be like, finally, nobody's going to hear us. It's just me and you. Did you have that feeling or were you more nervous?

[Katie]

A little bit of both. It was like, finally, like, I can, like, really show you that I'm, like, super goofy and silly because, like, when cameras were on me, I kind of hurdled up a little bit and I was like, oh, my God, Katie, don't say or do the wrong thing. Don't make yourself look like an idiot. And like, in the fantasy suite, I was like, all right, here I am.

[Susan]

This is the real me.

[Katie]

Yeah, this is the real me.

[Holiday Shopper]

Okay, so question. Are you one of those people that starts your holiday shopping in, like, July?

[Holiday Shopper's Friend]

July? I mean, no, never. Like, I like to shop, actually. I like to shop on Christmas Eve because I find it to be a little more festive.

[Holiday Shopper]

But you like to start decorating right after Halloween?

[Holiday Shopper's Friend]

No, after Thanksgiving. Okay, that's different. That's different. Halloween? No, not Halloween.

[Holiday Shopper]

You know, I consider myself to be a pretty good gift give. Got my list and I've checked it.

[Holiday Shopper's Friend]

Twice, probably three times. She takes the holidays very seriously.

[Holiday Shopper]

I can't help it. You know, I love finding the perfect gifts for everyone. And Walmart has all the top brands. Nespresso, Sonos, Nintendo.

[Holiday Shopper's Friend]

Nintendo at Walmart. Who knew?

[Holiday Shopper]

I know. And more. All of your shopping in one place.

[Holiday Shopper's Friend]

How much more shopping? Oh, boy.

[Holiday Shopper]

Just saying. Get all the brands everyone loves at Walmart. Head to Walmart.com or download the Walmart app to get all your gifts this season.

[Katie]

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[Podcast Host]

On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Bernie Sanders, who is 84 years old, has spent 34 years in Congress, and he can still pack a rally with people a quarter of his age.

[Katie]

Denver, 34,000 people come out. Salt Lake City, 20,000 people.

[Kathy]

You know, huge turnouts.

[Katie]

People are really dissatisfied about the status quo.

[Podcast Host]

His Fighting Oligarchy tour with AOC and other young progressives has become a movement. But is his message too far to the left? Well, he certainly doesn't think so.

[Katie]

Does that sound like a radical idea, Katie? Is that too far left for you?

[Podcast Host]

Okay. Okay, I get your Point, Bernie. We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living, and of course, the government shutdown, not to mention the current state of the Democratic Party.

[Katie]

To me, the failure of the Democratic Party has been an unwillingness to recognize the real issues.

[Podcast Host]

Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search Next question with Katie Couric.

[Holiday Shopper's Friend]

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[Dr. Priyanka Walley]

On the podcast Health Stuff, we are tackling all the health questions that keep you up at night.

[Katie]

Yes, I'm Dr. Priyanka Walley, a double board certified physician.

[Dr. Priyanka Walley]

And I'm Hari Kondabolu, a comedian and someone who once googled do I have scurvy at 3am on health stuff, we're.

[Katie]

Talking about health in a different way.

[Dr. Priyanka Walley]

It's not only about what we can do to improve our health, but also.

[Katie]

What our health says about us and the way we're living.

[Dr. Priyanka Walley]

Like our episode where we look at.

[Katie]

Diabetes in the United states. I mean, 50% of Americans are pre diabetic.

[Dr. Priyanka Walley]

How preventable is type 2?

[Katie]

Extremely. Or our in depth analysis of how incredible mangoes are.

[Dr. Priyanka Walley]

Oh, it's hard to explain to rest of the world that like your mangoes are fine because mangoes are incredible. But like, you don't even know.

[Katie]

You don't know.

[Dr. Priyanka Walley]

You don't know.

[Katie]

It's going to be a fun ride. So tune in.

[Dr. Priyanka Walley]

Listen to health stuff on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kathy]

What is the thing that Zach learned about you? What if I asked him? What would he say? What do you think the thing, the biggest thing he learned about you that he didn't know?

[Katie]

I think he realized how funny I was.

[Susan]

Right.

[Kathy]

You are funny. You are funny.

[Katie]

I'm pretty funny. I think. I.

[Susan]

You know what?

[Katie]

It was, like, three years ago, so it was really hard to remember.

[Susan]

Oh, come on.

[Katie]

I remember bits and pieces of what happened, but I don't know.

[Kathy]

Were you nervous? I mean, if you can't remember, like, I would be nervous.

[Katie]

A lot of the conversation was what had just happened, and that was the fact that he did. He was intimate with Gabby, and we were talking about, you know, he. He was. He was owning up. He was apologizing. He was. We were just diving into communication, our communication styles. We also learned that about each other, too, and how we deal with conflict. How are we gonna find a resolution? I think that was, like, really important for us to go through throat. Go through. Sorry.

[Kathy]

Because how were you supposed to know? How did you know that he had slept with Gabby?

[Susan]

She asked.

[Katie]

Well, I actually. I actually just knew because we're on the show. You. You gain these friendships with the girls more than you do the lead. I spend more time with and Gabby, and I was very aware of what certain people needed in order to progress, and I was fully aware of what was most likely going to happen. Nobody told me who it was. I pieced it together myself. Nobody had to tell me.

[Kathy]

But she was in the fantasies. How many were in the fantasy suites?

[Susan]

Three.

[Katie]

Three of us.

[Kathy]

So I'm saying you did the other one. I mean, I'm trying to figure out how you knew because you don't see the other women, Right?

[Katie]

I just knew based on how our friendships. I mean, we talked to each other, like, even when, like, producers were like, go to bed. It was like, Ariel, Gabby and I would, like, go into a hotel room together and just.

[Susan]

And talk.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Susan]

You knew.

[Katie]

I knew. I knew.

[Kathy]

And, well, yes, clearly, it was not a. It was not a. Him being intimate with someone else clearly was not a make it or break it for you in the fantasy suite.

[Katie]

No, not at all.

[Susan]

Really.

[Katie]

I felt humiliated. And I also was like, oh, wow. Okay. Our relationship isn't as strong as I thought it was, but Zach and I talked a lot during that time that we had off cameras, and I just, like, I got some more clarity. I got more insight into who he is as a man. And at the end of the day, he's an incredible man. Yeah, I could see that off the show. Within, like, the first time I ever met him, Met him, I was like, wow, this man is genuine. He's sweet, he's kind. Like, it's everything you would want.

[Kathy]

So. So did you know at the end of the fantasy suites. How confident were you that you were the one?

[Katie]

Because I was, I wasn't confident, but I'm confident in what I could bring to the table. Like, I was just, I was like, if it's not me, I'll be okay. It's gonna hurt, but I will be okay no matter what. And if it is me, then he's gonna be the happiest man alive for the rest of his life.

[Susan]

And he is.

[Katie]

And he is.

[Kathy]

So that's, you know, like I said, that's why I'm so excited to see the end with Mel. Because he's got these two women that seemingly he could love both of them love or get. Grow to love both of them or grow to love neither of them. But I just wonder. I, you know, listen, the day I end up in a fantasy suite, you can expect the stock market to go to zero. The, you know, the, to snow in the middle of July. So, you know, keep that in mind. But I would say that, I would say that I, I, I can't imagine leaving there and not feeling like you were the one.

[Katie]

Yeah. Feeling.

[Susan]

Do they give you. Did he give you any?

[Katie]

Yes.

[Susan]

Hopeful. That's what I'm thinking.

[Katie]

Yes.

[Susan]

You have to be able to share something.

[Katie]

Yeah. There was a moment, I think it was our, like, last chance date. And the. I don't know if the cameras picked up on this because I think they have to be in a certain radius in order to pick up your mic. Anyways, they had, like, shot down. They were, like, already walking to the waterfall. And I turned to Zach and I'm like, I can't do this anymore. Like, this. I was like, this is crazy. Like, if it's not me, I want to go home. Like, I genuinely.

[Susan]

Tell me now.

[Katie]

Yeah. And he was like, he basically muttered.

[Susan]

To me, don't leave.

[Kathy]

He said, what?

[Katie]

It will be worth it.

[Kathy]

Oh, I'm so. Zach. I love you. I love you.

[Holiday Shopper]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

All right, well, before we move on, we gotta, we gotta know, how do you feel about Taylor, Frankie, Paul being the bachelorette?

[Katie]

I think it's gonna be a crazy, crazy good season. I, I'm dialed in. All the girls that, like, I run into, they're like, katie, are you gonna watch? I was like, oh, yeah, I'll host some parties.

[Kathy]

I want to come. I want to come.

[Katie]

Yes.

[Susan]

What are you expecting? Are you expecting drama? Are you expecting. I think they're a little bit older than her cast. Like, nice looking men from what I've seen.

[Katie]

I'm hoping I'm I'm thinking they've got a good cast for sure. I mean, she's a beautiful woman, so. Yes, beautiful woman. So then what do you think about.

[Kathy]

The idea that she is, you know, she was not plucked from obscurity. She has a huge following and she has children. How do you think that's going to affect the franchise's decision to bring her in? How do you think that whole thing is going to fly?

[Katie]

I think it'll be amazing. I don't. I don't think we've had a lead before that's had kids.

[Susan]

Kids. This is the first, I believe.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Susan]

No, no, no, no, no. Somebody. No, no. He married. Yeah.

[Kathy]

Emily Maynard, maybe.

[Katie]

Okay.

[Kathy]

That was a while ago.

[Katie]

Okay.

[Kathy]

But she had one. She had one shot.

[Katie]

It'll be. I think it'll be awesome. I think it'll be really good. And just given her background, the fact that she has kids, I think it's going to be a great season and I genuinely think we're going to see a good love story come from it. Yes.

[Susan]

We need a good love story. I hope Mel's ends with a good love story. Or at least a like story.

[Katie]

Hey, yeah, this sounds interesting.

[Kathy]

Can I get on this bandwagon? I hope my story ends with a good love story. I hope Susan ends with a good love story. We all want good love stories, Kathy.

[Katie]

We're gonna find you a good man. Don't you worry.

[Kathy]

We're hoping. We are open.

[Susan]

Oh, God. All right, Katie, now we've got to ask you tons of questions which we love doing, and we're gonna open the floor up to you.

[Katie]

Alrighty.

[Susan]

Do you have anything question wise or comment wise for Kathy and I?

[Katie]

Yes, Susan, I want to hear about your new relationship.

[Susan]

Oh, see, yeah, he's French, he's far away. I adore him. He's a good man. But it's not easy with the distance. He was here for a month and I really enjoyed every minute of it the last few days. I think I was ready because I'm so used to being on my own, to have somebody in the home. And he's not as neat as Zach.

[Katie]

Okay, I got you.

[Susan]

So I'm constantly going behind him because I'm a freak.

[Katie]

So.

[Susan]

Yeah, but he's. He's good people.

[Katie]

Okay, good, good. And Kathy, what about you? What's your love life looking like you're watching?

[Kathy]

I'm looking at your puppy dog thinking, you know, your puppy dog has a better love life than I have. The way you're patting and loving on that dog. I'm like, yep, okay, I need to get a dog.

[Susan]

Is that the new puppy?

[Kathy]

That's Honey.

[Katie]

She's a year and a half old. We got her last. Last September, and she's the sweetest little girl ever.

[Kathy]

She's so sweet. So sweet. Yeah. No, I don't have a love life, but, you know, I'm the eternal optimist. I'm a hopeful romantic. I'm all those things, and I still feel right.

[Susan]

You're up for dating?

[Kathy]

I'm open for dating. Up for dating. But, you know, in fact, Katie, at your party, you know, I'm gonna. I'm gonna hang out at the bar and. Or hang out on the street or whatever and see who, you know, who's around. Because I'm thinking if people. If it gets out that a lot of Bachelor Nation people are going to be there. You know, you never know. You meet someone in the strangest of ways. Right when the time is right, it'll happen.

[Katie]

That's right.

[Susan]

Everybody wants to have you, like your happy ending. That's what the show is about, really. Finding love. And you're absolute proof that it does work.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Katie]

Thank you.

[Kathy]

I want, and I will tell you, Zach, I've seen you just for anyone. I've been out to dinner with Zach and Katie. They've been to my home. They are everything that you're hearing out of Katie's mouth. He is that wonderful guy. She is. Katie, you are incredibly funny and just as kind as your husband. And, honey, your sweet little pup is lucky to have you as parents, just so you know.

[Susan]

And she knows how to conduct a TikTok. Remember the one we did at Cat Kathy's house?

[Katie]

Yes. That went viral.

[Susan]

That was awesome. We gotta do that again. And then being at the concert, I sat with Zach listening to the music. You were out and about talking, and he is such a sweetheart. He's just easy to be near.

[Katie]

He really is.

[Susan]

And he's kind and he laughs. Of course I made him laugh.

[Kathy]

But who's the more outgoing of you two? It's you, isn't it, Katie?

[Katie]

What's that?

[Kathy]

Are you the more outgoing of the two of you?

[Susan]

Yes.

[Katie]

I would. Yeah, I would say so. But he's. He's outgoing in. In other ways as well. Like I would say, I definitely have more, like, in your face personality. And he's not so much.

[Susan]

He's funny, though. He is.

[Katie]

Yeah, he's funny.

[Susan]

He's got a good sense of humor.

[Kathy]

All I can tell you is I'm getting ready for that pickleball contest. And you know, I did win the one on the Golden Bachelor.

[Susan]

So just get ready. Don't drink too much the night before.

[Katie]

Oh, no.

[Susan]

She's gonna win.

[Kathy]

All right, well, listen, we, We. We hate to. Hate to eat and run, as they say, but this has been so much fun, really. Katie, thank you for coming onto the podcast. I love you. I can't wait to see you soon. It's always so great to chat with you. Always.

[Katie]

Thank you. Great chatting with you guys.

[Susan]

Have a great party, girlfriend.

[Katie]

Thank you.

[Susan]

Are you going to wear your wedding gown? Are you? How are you?

[Katie]

I have, like a. I. I have, like, a new little cocktail wedding dress.

[Susan]

Nice.

[Katie]

Yeah. Yeah, I know.

[Susan]

Pictures, Kathy.

[Kathy]

I want to see. Wait. Yeah. You didn't even tell me what the dress is for this thing.

[Katie]

It's like a short, sparkly cocktail dress.

[Susan]

Is it like black tie optional?

[Katie]

The party, or it's like elevated cocktail attire? That's the.

[Kathy]

Yeah, I got the dress. I just bought it with Susan when all the girls were here. I got the dress. All right, we're good to go.

[Susan]

And thanks to all our listeners. And I'll bet you're all going to be curious to see some pictures from this event. This is going to be something else. And be sure to keep following Bachelor Happy Hour as we have new episodes and new guests coming out every week and you don't want to miss.

[Kathy]

That is so true. Okay, well, listen to Bachelor Happy Hours golden hour on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you listen to your podcasts. Until next time, have a great week.

[Holiday Shopper]

I consider myself to be a pretty good gift giver. I've got my list.

[Holiday Shopper's Friend]

Checked it twice, probably three times. She takes the holidays very seriously.

[Holiday Shopper]

I can't help it. You know, I love finding the perfect gifts. And Walmart has all the top brands. Nespresso, Sonos, Nintendo.

[Holiday Shopper's Friend]

Nintendo at Walmart. Who knew?

[Holiday Shopper]

I know. And more.

[Holiday Shopper's Friend]

Get all the brands everyone loves at Walmart. Head to Walmart.com or download the Walmart app to get all your gifts this season.

[Podcast Host]

You know that big bargain detergent jug is 80% water, right? It doesn't clean as well.

[Katie]

80% water. I thought I was getting a better deal because it's so big.

[Podcast Host]

If you want a better clean, Tide pods are only 12% water. The rest is pure, concentrated cleaning ingredients.

[Katie]

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[Podcast Host]

Stop paying for watered down detergents. Pay for clean. If it's gotta be clean, it's gotta be Tide pods, Water content based on the leading bargain liquid detergent. On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Bernie Sanders. We've talked many times over the years and today he even throws a few questions my way.

[Katie]

All right, are you ready for another question? Go ahead, hit me, Bernie.

[Podcast Host]

We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living, and of course, the government shutdown. Listen to Next Question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dr. Priyanka Walley]

On the podcast Health Stuff, we are tackling all the health questions that keep you up at night.

[Katie]

I'm Dr. Priyanka Wali, a double board certified physician.

[Dr. Priyanka Walley]

And I'm Hari Kundabolu, a comedian and someone who once googled do I have scurvy at 3am and on our show we're talking about health in a different way. Like our episode where we look at diabetes in the United states.

[Katie]

I mean, 50% of Americans are pre diabetic.

[Dr. Priyanka Walley]

How preventable is type 2?

[Katie]

Extremely.

[Holiday Shopper]

Listen to Health Stuff on the iHeartRadio.

[Katie]

App, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Podcast Host]

The murder of an 18 year old girl in Graves County, Kentuck went unsolved.

[Katie]

For years until a local housewife, a journalist and a handful of girls came.

[Podcast Host]

Forward with a story.

[Katie]

America, y' all better wake the hell up.

[Dr. Priyanka Walley]

Bad things happens to good people in small towns.

[Katie]

Listen to Graves county on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad free. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts. This is an iHeart podcast.