Kat & Dale Against the World!

Summary

Bachelor Happy Hour: Kat & Dale Against the World!

Date: September 11, 2025
Hosts: Joe Amabile & Serena Pitt
Guests: Kat and Dale ("Kale")

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Episode Overview

This episode brings together new couple Kat and Dale, now affectionately (or reluctantly) dubbed “Kale,” to unpack the aftermath of the Bachelor in Paradise reunion, address circulating accusations, delve into their relationship dynamic, and share what’s next for them after the show. Hosts Joe and Serena guide the conversation through the emotional tumult of reality TV, rumors, trust, and transitioning a TV romance to real life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Aftermath of the Reunion

• Composure and Resolution: Both Kat and Dale share that the reunion brought many built-up tensions to the surface, but overall, cast members maintained composure and clarity was achieved for many situations.
  • Dale: “People have an idea...going into the reunion, they want to say certain things, but everyone kind of held their composure. And I think a lot of the fans probably are going to have a lot more clarity about situations.” (05:07)
• Nerves and Accountability: Kat discusses being anxious that things might escalate but ultimately valued holding people accountable with kindness.
  • Kat: “I was just, I guess, more nervous about things getting really elevated and heated and it leaving without any kind of clarity at the end of the day.” (05:46)
• Support in the Room: The setting allowed for mutual support and the ability for cast members to back each other up, an element often missing from online exchanges.

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Kat’s Perspective on Accusations and Relationships

• Anxiety Over Accusations: Kat details the difficulty of entering the reunion knowing she’d need to defend herself against strong accusations, particularly about her relationship status and alleged communication with an ex during filming.
  • Joe: “It’s kind of like, a lot of accusations have been thrown at you...you have to be on.” (06:57)
• Handling Negativity: The couple’s strategy was to rise above the drama rather than react tit for tat, focusing on composure and self-grounding.
• Reconciliation with Sean and Alicia:
  • Kat tried to clear the air with Sean prior to the reunion (“I gave him an olive branch and reached out...so we kind of, like, squash what we could.” (09:18)), but no resolution with Alicia. She feels at peace with the neutrality, not holding grudges but staying cautious.

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The iPad Accusation & Ex-Boyfriend Rumor

• Where Did the Accusation Come From?
  Kat clarifies that allegations of contacting her "current boyfriend" via iPad during filming likely originated from conversation between Sean and her ex-boyfriend after Sean was eliminated. She stresses there's no evidence and the claims were baseless.
  • Kat: “If you’re gonna speak on something with so much…weight, it would be in your best interest to make sure you have your facts aligned...there was no receipts because there’s nothing to give.” (13:33)
• No Impact on Outcomes: Kat and Dale believe the accusations did not change voting or affect which couples made it to the final stages (“I felt like we deserved to be there...we were where we were at and I felt like we deserved to be there.” (18:45))

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Relationship Dynamics: Trust, Challenges, and Growth

• Handling Pressure as a Couple: Dale discusses choosing not to “pile on” Kat or react loudly amidst rising drama, instead prioritizing her wellbeing.
  • Dale: “There was never a time where I was…going to try to throw her under the bus and pile on. But, like, it was really, really intense in real time.” (22:03)
• Communication and Loyalty: The experience reinforced the couple's strength and their ability to support each other against outside doubts.
• Rebuilding After Paradise: They reflect on the reality of building a relationship after leaving Paradise—adjusting to daily life, family, and friends, and learning to fit their realities together.
  • Dale: “You really start the relationship kind of now.” (36:28)
  • Kat: “If we can get through those hard moments after, that’s the best thing ever.” (35:45)

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Future Plans and Long Distance

• Maintaining the Relationship: Kat and Dale are officially together and navigating bi-coastal lives (New York and San Diego) with optimism. They've already seen each other more frequently than in their previous long-distance relationships.
• Planning for the Future: They’re making deliberate plans to visit each other and travel together, viewing the distance as a challenge that can be overcome by mutual effort.

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Reflections on the Finale, Game Structure, and Other Couples

• Challenge Frustrations: Dale reveals he competed in the final challenge with significant injuries, which affected their outcome.
  • Dale: “That was the first time in my life I’ve ever felt at a disadvantage or vulnerable physically.” (43:19)
• On Voting and Strongest Couples: Both agree it's hard to compare relationships but compliment the authenticity and growth of the remaining pairs.
  • Cat: “It’s really difficult to say one is stronger than the other because it just depends on what you determine or like it’s subjective.” (41:44)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• The Couple Name Debate:

  • Dale: “Kale.” (04:13)
  • Joe: “It’s genetically modified. The vegetable that everyone thought was healthy and is actually probably not that good for you. That’s what you guys are, actually.” (04:23)

• On Squashing Drama:

  • Cat: “I’m not going to let people, like, live in my brain. Essentially. It’s over; it’s done. I can live in theirs if they want.” (11:39)

• On Love Vs. Money in the Finale:

  • Serena: “I’m at the very least seriously considering taking it. I’m probably taking it. And then I’m gonna be like, but we’ll split it on the back end and then we’ll date the minute we get out of here...So they need to have some, like, definitive rules.” (29:10)

• On Surviving November:

  • Cat: “I’ve been broken up for two years in a row. In a row. During Thanksgiving week.” (47:10)
  • Serena: “Gonna break the cycle, you know, Third time’s the charm. Cat, this is your November girl.” (47:45)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [04:47] Post-Reunion Reflections
• [05:46] Kat's Nerves & Need for Clarity and Accountability
• [09:18] Attempts to Reconcile with Sean & Alicia
• [12:03] The iPad/Ex-Boyfriend Accusation Explained
• [18:39] Did the Accusations Change the Voting?
• [22:03] Dale on Handling Pressure & Supporting Kat
• [25:26] Kat's Relationship with her Ex Before the Show
• [34:34] Kat & Dale Discuss Officially Becoming a Couple
• [36:28] Transitioning to Reality and Navigating Long Distance
• [41:44] Reflections on the Final Couples & Strength of Relationships
• [43:19] Dale’s Injury and Challenge Frustration
• [47:10] The “November Curse” and Breaking Bad Dating Patterns

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Tone and Atmosphere

The episode is playful and candid, with the hosts often poking fun while encouraging genuine reflection. Kat and Dale maintain a tone of resilience, honesty, and humor, openly acknowledging the absurdities and pressures of Bachelor Nation while embracing the messiness and joy of building something real.

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Summary

This episode is a must-listen for fans eager to hear unfiltered perspectives from post-show couples. Kat and Dale's journey—from weathering external accusations to openly navigating the “phase two” of their relationship—provides insight into the complexities of finding love under the Bachelor Nation microscope. Their candor about drama, trust, injuries, and genuinely wanting to be together, all while tackling long-distance logistics, gives listeners an entertaining and authentic behind-the-scenes look at what happens when reality TV ends and real life begins.

Transcript

[Cat]

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[Joe]

Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Bach yout Happy Hour. I'm Joe.

[Serena]

And I'm Serena.

[Joe]

And we are here today with Dale and Cat. Cat and Dale. Congrats. You guys are a couple, right?

[Dale]

Kale.

[Serena]

What? Kale here First, First a new couple named Kale. You know, are we set on that?

[Joe]

It's genetically modified. The vegetable that everyone thought was healthy and is actually probably not that good for you. That's what you guys are actually.

[Cat]

Yeah. The kale is quiet taste.

[Serena]

But what would be the opposite?

[Dale]

Dad definitely made up dad. I'm like, dad, no way.

[Serena]

Okay. Yeah, I guess you gotta go with kale.

[Dale]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joe]

How you guys doing? How do you feel after the reunion?

[Dale]

I feel good after the reunion. I, I, I thought that, I thought sparks were, I thought there were some moments where it was going to get super intense, but people kind of reeled it in. But there was so much stuff Flo. Yeah. I'm literally like squeezing cat during the reunion. Like, keep it chill. Don't burn the stage down. But overall, like, you know, when you watch stuff back, I think people have an idea of, you know, going into the reunion, they want to say certain things, but everyone kind of held their composure. And I think a lot of the fans probably are going to have a lot more clarity about situations that were going on during the season, because even I did like different perspectives, and I thought everyone approached it in a really, really good way. And I think a lot of people squashed some of the issues that they had going on, you know, while airing was going. I know there were some things circulating, for sure.

[Cat]

Mm.

[Serena]

What were you guys most nervous about going into the reunion?

[Cat]

I think I was like, I can speak for myself. Seeing how everybody kind of was moving in real time with the weight while it was airing made me realize, like, oh, people are like, they're not afraid to say anything or do anything or whatever that case may be. So I was just, I guess, more nervous about things getting really elevated and heated and it leaving without any kind of clarity at the end of the day.

[Dale]

Yeah. I think on my end, the biggest thing was for us just to kind of, you know, take the higher ground, which, you know, I knew we would obviously communicate our stance in a lot of situations, but you'll see that throughout the season, we were balancing each other out at different times. But the biggest thing is, a lot of times, if there's some negativity, it's just project projection. So we didn't need to fall into, you know, tit for tat or any of those things. And I. Again, I. I thought that it went really, really well. And it's also just good to see everyone. You know, that's probably the last time we'll all be in a room together at the same time. So it was a good feeling, but it was. I'm happy it's wrapped, for sure.

[Cat]

So happy it's over.

[Dale]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

For you, Cat. It's kind of like, a lot of accusations have been thrown at you. So no matter what, going into the reunion, you have to be on. Like, you really can't even go in there. Like, I'm in a.

[Dale]

A.

[Joe]

A happy, healthy relationship with D. It's like, I am, but I also have to defend myself against everything that kind of went down.

[Cat]

I think I just wanted to make sure that our relationship was still expressed and acknowledged, and we, like, didn't take away from it. Didn't take away from that relationship. Right. And I. My biggest thing going into it was that I think people just needed to be held accountable for certain behaviors and things and got to be done in a way that's kind and still, like, with composure. But as I'm sure we all know, like, going into those settings and you kind of put yourself back in that, like, place, and so sometimes your emotions can take over. So just like, being very, like, grounding in yourself, so that way you can actually get your point across.

[Dale]

Yeah, I think it was also cool because, you know, the whole cast is there, so some of these situations, when it's online, in social media, you're dealing with it kind of yourself. People aren't going to speak and say too much, but in that setting, I think there were a lot of cast members that stuck up for either of us in situations. We did the same and really spoke about some of those situations. That kind of helped just dead it, you know what I'm saying?

[Serena]

So I know what you're saying, Dale.

[Joe]

Everyone does now.

[Dale]

Everyone knows.

[Serena]

Where do you guys stand with Sean and Alicia now?

[Dale]

I don't have a problem with Sean. I think Sean made, you know, he was frustrated and made some, you know, decisions that he probably wished he would have handled a little different. Obviously, he's not, you know, gonna apologize. He did whatever and stands by that. But I think he also realized during the reunion that it was a heat of the moment. You know, he was frustrated and it was just digging. Right. There's bigger things that people go through in relationships than what was expressed on the show. And I think, like, he understands that. It seems like you guys had a. A good rapport.

[Cat]

I mean, even before the reunion, I gave him an olive branch and reached out to him to see if he wanted to talk through anything. This is weeks ago. Just because in those environments, like, things are really heightened and we're limited in the way we can, like, communicate our perspective. So we kind of, like, squash what we could. But I also realized that, like, as things are airing, you might, like, want to kind of lean into that narrative too. So I didn't know how he was going to come into the reunion necessarily. Same with Alicia. Me. Alicia did not speak for the reunion. Like, no outreach was given. So I think that I was able to kind of almost like, I guess give, like, more perspective and see that there wasn't as much weight in what the accusations were because there wasn't really any, like, proof or follow up. I was able to, like, at least feel where they're coming from, I guess their opinions on my character. And I don't want to, like, we're not, like, best friends, but, like, I don't hold any animosity because that's just, like, not who I am. I I almost like forgive too easily. But I will say like this experience taught me like how close to keep people and those that like, that people might be out to like hurt you in some capacity and you just have to be a little bit more cautious of that. So that's pretty much like where the, I would say it, it's, it lies, it's just like neutral. I'm never probably gonna see them again, so I'd rather just not have any hatred. But as long as like we both were able to speak our truth, that's all I really cared about.

[Dale]

Yeah, I think you know, just at the end people kind of tried to, you know, just squash a lot of the, the large scale like combativeness and again like I think that's was the great thing about the reunion coming off it. I think if there was, were things that were open ended, people just kind of move past them and you know.

[Cat]

We all set our piece. Like I feel like everybody said what they've been trying to say for these last like two while it's airing. Like it's been a lot of built up stuff and I think once everyone was able to see that and say that we're adults, you kind of just like move on in your own ways. That doesn't mean that you're gonna be like texting each other and bff, but you can feel comfortable making a tick tock or something, you know.

[Dale]

Yeah, yeah. So tik tok. Yeah, I just go crazy.

[Cat]

I'd rather put my energy towards, I, I, I'm not going to let people like you know, live in my brain. Essentially. It's over, it's done. I can live in theirs if they want.

[Dale]

But why.

[Joe]

So going back to the show, accusing you of having an iPad.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And, and reaching out to your ex or well technically your current boyfriend is what the accusation was.

[Cat]

Technically.

[Joe]

Why do you think he made that up? Because I, I, I stand with you in this situation because if you had an iPad, they would have shown it.

[Cat]

Right.

[Joe]

And there's really nowhere for you to hide on the show. I, and I guess I don't know and you may not even be able to answer for Sean, but where does he pull that out of. Is that just like, or do you.

[Serena]

Think it, it didn't start with Sean. Do you think it might have started with your ex?

[Cat]

I think it was a combination. I don't, I do know that what ended up happening when they got voted off and they were put in that hotel was he called my ex and said things about what I was doing in paradise that ultimately also weren't true. Such as like saying I was talking on camera about him cheating on me and kind of getting him riled up at least sounds like So I don't really know what was exchanged in that conversation that led him to say something to that extent. But as you see it was an iPad or was it a laptop. Like if you're gonna speak on something with so much like that has a lot of weight, I think it would be in your best interest to make sure you have your facts aligned. Can't speak on why he did what he did or what she did what she did or set it to that way. But I I still don't know from even like what my ex had said. I know that for sure. There was no receipts because there's nothing to give. And yeah, I don't know. I do know that it was a lot of I yeah, the conversation that was had was not accurate from both ends.

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[Serena]

Do you think that the accusations changed the way the vote would have gone?

[Cat]

No.

[Dale]

Yeah. I don't think.

[Serena]

It didn't look like it and I.

[Cat]

Said it that morning. I was like, I love where we're at. Like, I thought that the three final couples were the three final couples that really did deserve to be there and, like, had not to say that Bailey and Jeremy didn't. But they face a little bit more adversity in my opinion. But if it was the final four, I would love that too. I just, like, loved that we were where we were at and I felt like we deserved to be there. And whatever happened afterwards, I was, I was fine with anybody who were to win or deserved to leave as like a little bit more financially stable from the money. So when we lost the challenge and it came down to Justin Spencer from an outsider looking in, obviously they would be the couple to go forward just based on their relationship that they saw. But I've always said it's hard because not one couple is better than the other. It's. We're all in our own relationships and I think we all have our own unique things. It just depends. But yeah, they definitely.

[Dale]

Yeah, we knew, like with the pointed questions, challenge or whatever.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Dale]

As we're reading through the. Or, you know, the questions that, you know, are going to be asked and we, you know, are tallying stuff up. We knew there was no way we were winning that and we also voted.

[Cat]

So many of those people off.

[Dale]

But it's also like, I, I feel like we were very direct. If we didn't agree with something, you know, we communicated it. And yeah, we were pretty firm with, like, you know, I let most people know if I was voting for them.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Dale]

Right before the rose ceremony. So they always knew where I stood and when people are coming back, even if there's not ill will, some of those things are going to definitely come back around. And also just the nature of it. Right. With some of the people who had left, it was going to be a tough go. For us. But we said, even going into it, like, we're not going to sit and beg anybody for shit. We're going to be who we are. We can express and people can see how we built this here in paradise. But ultimately, it was out of our control at that point. So whatever happened, we were good. And a little conflict at the end. But I think that set the foundation for us to reset. Really look at.

[Cat]

It helped me. I was like, oh, this man is going to stand by me without even knowing anything. Like, that's incredible. Like, that actually, like, made our relationship so much stronger. I think they wanted it to do the opposite, but it was literally the weight of the world, like, put into real test timing and in that situation. And it really helped me, like, see him for who he fully, fully is. And you don't really get that opportunity that much in those settings. So kind of.

[Dale]

And it was.

[Joe]

Think. Do you think. Do you think if Dale had a few more roses in him, he would have handled that differently? No. Dale, I want to ask you a serious question. Dale, you did really handle that, like, very mature. It was very mature of you. Because I think most people in that situation and on that show, and it is a pressure cooker, and there's so much to think about, and you're near the end, would have been like, well, what the fuck is going on here? Do you have a boyfriend? I mean, this all seems pretty legit. What is going on? Why did you handle it the way you did?

[Dale]

I mean, for me, whatever situation happened, it's something that we could have the conversations and figure it out after the fact. I don't think it was handled the right way. I would have never handled it in that setting. And, yeah, there were definitely moments where I really had to bite my tongue because I wanted to pop off, but it didn't serve anything. And it was less about me, and it was more about Kat in that situation. You know, regardless of what happened, like, I was going to be fine, right? Like, if there's hurt and everything, that's okay. But, you know, there was never a time where I was. I was going to try to throw her under the bus and pile on. But, like, it was really, really intense in real time. Like, I go for a walk and the entire group of. Everybody's walking with me. Sean comes over, Andrew, Jeremy, everybody. And they're. We're trying to look out for you. We just want you to be happy, like, yada, yada, yada. And in all those settings, too. I was like, look, I don't Care what's going on right now. All I care about is how Kat's doing and whatever else comes out. Like, we can figure it out, but this whole situation, like, I'm just kind of done with it. So you can say whatever you want. It's not going to change how I'm going to act. I'm grown. I'm fine. Like, but I want to, you know, make sure she's okay. And we could work everything else out and figure it out after the fact. So I don't know. I'm always going to go to the source. And it did create, you know, where we had to have some conversations after the fact. But that's all stuff that we could work out. Right. We had gone through the whole paradise experience together. So, like, we were gonna finish it together.

[Cat]

Yeah, it was a. It was a lot longer in real time. Like, he was going for a while, and that's when I started to have a panic attack because I was like. I just felt, like, so powerless in that moment. And it was less about what he was saying. It was more about the environment and, like, where that brought me back to. And I was just in no capacity to even speak to anyone. And all I cared about was Dale. So, yeah, it was a lot more intense. And then even after you came back out, it sounded like it was really, really a lot. So, yeah, he did really well.

[Serena]

If you guys.

[Joe]

But if you had a few more rose. I don't know. I don't know how he would have.

[Cat]

Handled that, but he probably said a.

[Serena]

Lot more if I still would have deaded it.

[Cat]

Don't worry.

[Dale]

I am. I am good. The deaded moment. I didn't have as many roses.

[Cat]

Like, the goldens were very, very taken aback by that because, like, they're like, what is this behavior?

[Dale]

Yeah. And, you know, came at me, like, super sideways, like, if. And again, at the end of the day, it was just an intense environment. And my main thing is, like, look, like, I'm not even trying to hear this right now. Like, this has been going on for x amount of time. Let me find Kat. Let me make sure she's okay. We can talk. We can figure this out in the morning. And. And I just kind of left it at that.

[Serena]

Yeah. Kat going on paradise. How would you have described your relationship with your ex at the time?

[Cat]

With my ex at the time, definitely not in a relationship. Like, there was no boyfriend, girlfriend. I was seeing a few different people prior to going to paradise, him being one of them. And he. We reconnected probably, like, I would say a month before I had left. But that was always known that I was going. And you know, and I've said this and I think he'll agree it wasn't the healthiest and it was one of those kind of attachments that I think we both needed to separate and see what was going to be the case. And that's what I used paradise for. Um, so I was coming in hopeful but still like fearful of the experience. It hasn't worked out so great in the beginning or in the previous year. So I wasn't like, oh, I'm for sure gonna meet someone. Like in my head I'm not like, I'm gonna leave knowing or with my person again. I was very open to like possibly just coming home alone and that was okay. But I think just like an average, like, you know, normal dating, seeing someone but with no like attachments to our titles, to our relationship at all. And he can 100 testify to that and agree to that.

[Serena]

Yeah, he was on the Rasta.

[Dale]

Well, even Andrew said in the reunion, like, it's like, yo, whatever happens because at the end it's like close any loose ends that. But I was dating whoever had so stuff going on.

[Cat]

A lot of people were dating because like that's what we're allowed to do. Like, I think in previous years we were like, let's not live our life before because we want to find our person in paradise. But we learned that that's not always going to be the case. And if you do limit yourself prior, then you almost come in with so much like expectations of how you're supposed to leave. And then that change.

[Dale]

Jonathan talked about that like really clearly and yeah that he felt because the build up to paradise was so intense for him and like each time, like, if it wasn't someone that he was matching with, he just got lower and lower and just felt was like, gave.

[Cat]

Up all my lens before and like, so I was just something I wasn't willing to do in this time. Like I was still going to date and live my life and, and go on a dating show. Like, why are we going to stop dating? We're going on a dating show.

[Serena]

So if you guys had made it to the end, you're the only couple. Okay, 500k is on the table.

[Cat]

Fun.

[Serena]

Do you think you one of you might have taken the money? Like, is it something you thought about or talked about at all?

[Joe]

And, and to add on to that real quick, do we know, like if you could there have been a side deal made?

[Dale]

Could like Take the money and then just figure it out after.

[Serena]

That's what we've been wondering. Yeah.

[Cat]

I would have to have something in writing where I'm like, you better share that with me. But if it came down to, like, should we give up half a million dollars? And when we could just after, like, I just. I didn't understand how you could choose love or money when, like, we have free will.

[Dale]

So we never thought about that or conversation.

[Cat]

I didn't even know that was an option. Like, we didn't even think about that. But if it was 500k, that's different than 250k too, even. Like, it's just. I don't really know what we would do.

[Dale]

Yeah, I never really thought about that. Like, some people are. Because a lot like Kathy's like, I take the money, and, you know, and then even Spence were like, oh, yeah, we could take the money and then we can just do this after anyway, because.

[Cat]

So, yeah, I didn't understand that, I.

[Dale]

Think, until you're in that situation. But it'd be a conversation, you know.

[Joe]

I think the show. I think the show needs to. To draw a clearer line on.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Joe]

What it means to take the money and what it means to not take the money. Because, like.

[Serena]

Yeah, like, because Joe and I was like, we're definitely. I'm at the very least seriously considering taking it. I'm probably taking it. And then I'm gonna be like, but we'll split it on the back end and then we'll date the minute we get out of here. Like, we're get. We're getting both somehow. So they need to have some, like, definitive rules.

[Dale]

You know, there's. There's no. There's no rules. Are you.

[Cat]

You know, so season was, let me throw something at the wall and see what, you know, sticks. So that was one of them.

[Dale]

Let's take the money and then we'll just meet up after and we'll just keep doing this.

[Cat]

I'm just trying to. I think that was one of the things that these are, like, the kinks that they're going to work out. And I think our cast was kind of like the guinea pigs for even the challenges. Like, yeah, definitely their first time doing something like this. So I'm giving them grace.

[Dale]

But, yeah, I mean, we didn't have to make the decision, so it doesn't matter.

[Cat]

Chilling.

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[Joe]

You guys are officially boyfriend and girlfriend, correct?

[Dale]

Yeah, we, we are officially, you know, after the show. Like we definitely.

[Joe]

Cat, don't go on any other dating shows.

[Dale]

Cat, you're like starting the relationship. But we were very, very open on like how this works, like what needs to happen, things that had come up with with both of us and you know, so I think like that that initial month was really like getting the kinks out. Getting. Yeah, I'd say getting the kinks out and then also like addressing Things very, very, you know, upfront and everything like that. And without question, you know, like, August has been, you know, strongest moving in the right direction. And it just takes time because when you're in. In paradise and you're in, like, this controlled environment, you're in a routine each and every day. And then, you know, the way it ended, there were things that, you know, we had to communicate about and you don't have crossover in. In each other's lives. You know, it. So, like, I mean, you haven't even. Yeah, she hasn't even, like, kicked it with any of my friends yet.

[Cat]

Well, the thing is just like, what I learned the first time, it's like you have paradise. You have this place where, like, it's, you know, La La land. But then you have your work and you have your priorities and you have your family and you have things. And it's like, okay, how do we make each other fit into that? And that's like a very big test. And then throw the fact that we're watching something on television about our relationship, outside opinions. Then you have to throw into the fact that we can't even live a normal life, like, which keeps us more separate because he does stuff for work that, like, I wouldn't be able to do. So it was a lot of things that, like, I feel like if we can get through those hard moments after is that's the best thing ever. And I feel like it's a really good testimony to any relationship in this franchise that has been able to come through, but.

[Dale]

And you really start the relationship kind of now. Yeah, really.

[Joe]

Really.

[Cat]

I think it's in, like, phases. Calling this Phase two Plus. Phase Two Plus Phase one is air or filming. Phase two is airing and trying to. But, like, us being private was so hard. Like, he wouldn't even go into a gas station with me. It was like, crazy. But he was still able to meet my family and everything. We, like, got a hotel, like, privately, and it was awesome. Like, still being able to share my life with him. And he's met all my best friends and yeah, we were able to do as much as we could in private, but now I feel like is when the fun can actually begin.

[Joe]

Well, how do you plan on navigating the opposite coast right now? Because, yeah, New York, San Diego. I know that is more difficult, I.

[Dale]

Don'T think through the end of the year. Like, I don't think it's going to be that difficult. You know, Cat's schedule is a little bit more restrictive than mine, obviously, you know, I'll still be traveling and things like that. But, you know, I've also to start off September, you know, I'm spending as much time here as I can. We've already got trips planned to New York St. Martin in November. We haven't put those dates yet. Yeah. So there's, you know, we're still getting a lot of time and some of that gap's going to be closed, like in a random location. Right.

[Cat]

I've been in long distance relationships, like, a lot, and it was hard, but in this one, even. Even in the fact that we haven't been able to live our normal life, I've seen him more on a monthly basis than I had in my actual real life long distance relationships. I think he has the means and ability to make that effort and prioritize, like, connection. And as long as we're both moving to that, then I think that's gonna be. That's what keeps it totally fine.

[Dale]

Yeah.

[Cat]

Because it's not like you're like, in New York 24 7. Like, and we're like living in this, like, different time zone. Like, he'll stay here for a week at a time and like now I can actually go there and stuff like that or go with him on his little trips. I just kind of tag along on, but I don't. Yeah. And that was one of my first questions too, because I didn't really want to do that. But his previous relationship was long distance and it was never an issue. And that kind of made me feel a little bit more comfortable. Like, okay, despite the distance, it can still make it work. And as long as we're both working towards bridging that gap, ultimately when the time is right, then I think that's what matters.

[Dale]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

Because I mean, if both people want to make it work, you can make it work.

[Cat]

Exactly.

[Dale]

And y', all, I mean, y' all know, obviously, like, you know, with how your relationship with. I don't know how long it was until you were, you know, in the same.

[Cat]

Oh, yeah, he loves you guys.

[Dale]

No, but it takes, it takes time. You can have ideas, like, and I have a lot of flexibility, but, you know, it still takes time to transition and make a decision on what's right. You also have to look at the future of like, okay, like two years from now, like, where. Where do you want to be? And so those conversations are easy ones to have. It's. It's not difficult. She knows some of the core plans and things that I have to do for whether it's business, you Know, tax purposes, all those like types of things. But right now like those are things that all work itself out. We're not putting too much pressure on it, I guess. You know, I just have a few more flights booked.

[Joe]

Yeah, it's really just about having fun right now. Like that's the biggest thing and the more you enjoy each other, the more you'll make time to see each other. In your guys opinion at the time, do you think if the show is based off of the strongest couples make it to the end, do you agree with the way it ended like in the two that.

[Cat]

Sure.

[Joe]

Like we all do you think the two that were the like the end. So Andrew and Alex and Jess and Spencer, do you think they at the time were the two strongest couples?

[Dale]

We talked about this on the reunion. Everyone has different phases of where they're at in the development. Right. You come in at different times. Kat and I, in our opinion, like we're as strong as anybody. I think we were very realistic, we were very open. Obviously Spence and Jess were lock and key at the beginning. We knew there was no engagement that was happening in paradise for either of us. And yeah, it just wasn't happening. But we also went through a lot of things on the show, you know, with people coming in with controversy, a little conflict with us that was really easy for us to move past.

[Cat]

So yeah, Andrew and Alex, I mean they're beautiful in their own way. Like they have this like quick, fast love that I don't think either of them anticipated coming into paradise to experience. And then you have Justin Spencer who are like just so in love. Like I've actually never seen something like that in real time. Like coming off even like I'm like you guys are so in love. And I think we all just have in Jeremy and Bailey even like the most, I think least expected couple but.

[Dale]

They, Jeremy and Bailey had like a really, really good, really good thing.

[Cat]

Yeah, they have each other down. Like they hold each other down and I love that about them. So it's just we all have our own different unique qualities in each relationship that it's really difficult to say one is stronger than the other because it just depends on what you determine or like it's subjective. Right.

[Dale]

But the way, the way it finished, like we're not mad about it. Obviously we would have liked to be there. You know, I'll tell, I'll take the take the L which was hard in the physical challenge but yeah, we're good with it.

[Joe]

How mad were, how mad were you when you lost that challenge on a scale of 1 through 10.

[Dale]

So that I didn't know. So I tore my tricep before filming got cleared. I didn't realize that I tore my lap as well at the same time until halfway through filming. So, like, we're getting ready for the final and then spent. Like, we're. I'm talking with Spencer, like, what's.

[Serena]

What's gonna be. How'd you figure it out? Like, did you go get checked out?

[Dale]

I was doing a, like, like stretching in a push up in a row. And like, I could feel here, I.

[Serena]

Could feel the separation.

[Dale]

Everything is. Yeah. Torn off the back side of my lap. And it was fine. Like, I didn't think anything of it because we didn't have any physical challenges. But the day of the. The way to the world, I'm talking with Spencer, I was like, you don't think it's going to be anything physical, right? He's like, oh, no, we haven't done anything up until that point. And then we get there and we look at each other and I was.

[Cat]

Like, they wait us the day before too.

[Dale]

So I was like, I'm fucked.

[Cat]

And then crashed out almost after every. Like, it was difficult because these challenges, besides, honestly, the one that we won were so subject and like, difficult to.

[Dale]

Like, there were some challenges you weren't gonna win. So it was frustrating because you want to win the challenge, you want to get immunity and everything. But that, that way to the world was. Was frustrating because I've never. That was the first time in my life I've ever felt at a disadvantage or vulnerable physically. If I was fully healthy, like, I couldn't even feel my right side of the body after the challenge, my left side, I was fine. This was just destroyed. But I also did the challenge, I wasn't going to try to back out because it's like, you know, anything can happen and it's like, we're here. Like, let's. Let's just. Let's just rip it.

[Serena]

Let's just rip it. Dale, what's your horoscope sign?

[Dale]

Libra Cat.

[Serena]

Does that work for you?

[Cat]

I've actually dated a few Libras. Surprisingly, it's not about the horoscope. I've already analyzed his birth chart.

[Joe]

Does that work?

[Cat]

I think I'm pretty sure you're a double Libra, actually. But, yeah, it's all about balance, and I think that that is what I need most. And so I think he has really kind of just been that, like, sounding board of balance for both of us, essentially.

[Serena]

But I feel like you guys balance each other in, like, nice ways.

[Cat]

Yeah, different ways. But it's.

[Dale]

I'm also like, super, like, punctual, prudent, like, like, to my detriment, like, if it comes. Logistics, schedules, timing. I'm almost, like, obsessive about it. But that's also because of sports. I think life is just crazy at times. And there's so many, like, areas that I have to have, like, very, very detailed, consistent, like, planning. But it's. I also realize in what, you know, we've had to kind of navigate is, you know, I can't always be on. I gotta, you know, sometimes just let things ride the flow.

[Cat]

Be a little goofy, like, just, Just. Just feel little feels. But yeah, he also helps me like that. That type of energy motivates me too. So I think, yeah, there's a lot of balance.

[Dale]

Yeah. And. Well, exciting time for both of us right now.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Dale]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I mean, listen, I like both of you a lot and I think, really think it could work, and I hope it does. And next time you're in New York, we should get dinner. But that's really all we got for you today.

[Serena]

Pardon?

[Cat]

You guys are in New York?

[Dale]

Yeah.

[Cat]

Wait, so we could hang out with our friends?

[Dale]

Everyone's in New York.

[Serena]

New York's Worth.

[Cat]

@. I love New York. My family's from there, so that's like my most visited city. So it's. I. It's awesome. But, yeah, we're very excited.

[Dale]

We know all the spots. I don't know if we're doing Fashion Week. Not. I don't. I don't know about the Fashion Week craze, though.

[Serena]

We'll see. You know, now you're gonna miss out.

[Cat]

It's just so. I. It's a lot.

[Serena]

It's a lot, a lot. It's a lot, a lot.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Dale]

But it is fun seeing everybody and. But regardless, like, we.

[Cat]

I think, so much life to live. I'm very excited for.

[Dale]

Yeah. There's just fun things that, you know, we're. We're going to be able to do. And I think that's what's really cool is we go into this phase now. We get experienced new things together. It could be the same thing that we experienced alone, but it's going to completely change because you're with someone. And I'm excited because there's a lot of things that, you know, I'll be able to show and, like, kind of open up my world to Cat and like, that. That excites me because there's so many things I done by myself for so long, which I'm fine doing. I've, you know, gotten used to it. But I, you know, I. Life is the best thing is being able to share it with your partner or people you love and care about. So we've got some fun things ahead.

[Cat]

Very excited.

[Serena]

Yeah, well, we're excited for you guys. We're excited to follow along. You know, you got the holidays coming up, meeting each other's, you know, more friends and family. So, yeah, we're just wishing you guys all the best. Thanks for coming on today.

[Dale]

The dreaded November.

[Cat]

Guys, I've been broken up for two years in a row. In a row. During.

[Serena]

In November.

[Joe]

In November.

[Cat]

Thanksgiving week. Like.

[Serena]

At least wait till Christmas.

[Dale]

Fun fact. Fun fact. December is the busiest time of year for dating apps. And that's because people, they, they guess.

[Cat]

They just break up with their girlfriends.

[Dale]

Thanksgiving because everyone's going back for the holidays.

[Serena]

Turkey dump. It's called turkey dump.

[Cat]

We're gonna hold it down. Memories. Because. Yeah, I can't be doing that.

[Dale]

Yeah, no, it's a thing. It's a thing.

[Serena]

Gonna break the cycle, you know, Third time's the charm. Cat, this is your November girl.

[Joe]

I have faith in you guys. I have faith in you guys. And to all our listeners, thank you guys so much for tuning in to Bachelor happy hour. Make sure you download and subscribe to the podcast.

[Serena]

Thanks so much for listening. Bye.

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