Kathy & Susan on Hulu’s ‘Get Real’ and the Future of Reality TV | Golden Hour

Summary

Episode Overview

Title: Kathy & Susan on Hulu’s ‘Get Real’ and the Future of Reality TV | Golden Hour
Date: May 14, 2026
Hosts: Kathy and Susan (from The Golden Bachelor)
Main Focus:
Kathy and Susan return for a lively discussion reviewing the latest announcements from Hulu’s “Get Real” reality TV showcase, reflect on the evolving nature of reality television (especially the “Bachelor” franchise), and dish out a sharp, often humorous recap of recent Bachelor Nation appearances on “Vanderpump Villa.” The duo grapple with themes of age, authenticity, and the increasing focus on competition and money in reality programming, all while maintaining their signature "golden" perspective.

---

1. Catching Up & Golden Banter

[03:10–05:22]

• Susan returns from traveling, lamenting bad food abroad, sparking a classic back-and-forth about food preferences.
• Kathy recalls decent hospital food during Susan’s absence.
  • Memorable quip:
    • “Forget going to the Penthouse Ritz. I'm just gonna go hang out in the hospital, you have the hospital food. I'll be the one at the Ritz, at the penthouse, eating. That works for me, girlfriend.” – Kathy (05:14)

---

2. Hulu’s ‘Get Real’ Announcements & Reality TV Trends

[05:22–14:09]

2.1. “Bachelor” and “Bachelor in Paradise” Renewals

• Bachelor and Bachelor in Paradise will return in 2027.
  • Kathy’s excitement:
    • “Bachelor, particularly the franchises, it's always been in my mind telling a great story and hoping that people fall in love. So, like, love is the backbone of it. But now it's like, it might be a lot of money. It takes the focus off of love and the great stories.” – Kathy (06:27)
• Speculation over the next Bachelor:
  • Likely someone from Taylor’s season.
  • Robert Irwin considered, but “a little young to be the Bachelor.”
    • "But he will be someday, I believe.” – Susan (07:28)

2.2. Dancing With the Stars: New Directions

• Maura Higgins (Love Island) & Ciara Miller (Summer House/Winterhouse) join as cast members.

• Kathy & Susan express concern over the franchise “skewing young.”

  • “Maybe they should just have a golden Dance With the Stars.” – Susan (08:13)

• Robert Irwin to host a Dancing With the Stars pro competition series.

2.3. Money Prizes Dominate New Shows

• Discussion of “Million Dollar Nannies”—young influencer nannies compete in Ibiza for a huge cash prize.
  • “What could possibly go wrong there?” – Kathy (10:12)
• Suggestion for a spin-off: "Million Dollar Granny Nannies."
  • “How about they do a golden Million Dollar Grannies?” – Kathy (10:15)

2.4. Other Hulu Reality Shows Noted

• “The Girls” starring Khloe Kardashian and her besties.

  • Draws envy and humor from Susan and Kathy about not being invited.
  • “You know what we need? We. That's where we went wrong. We're not one of her besties or we'd be on the show.” – Kathy (10:55)

• “The Mob” (competition, Italy):

  • “You and I need to go and be the dons and clean house.” – Kathy (11:57)

• “Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: Orange County”:

  • Kathy questions the premise outside of Utah.
  • “Are we going to see Mormons with their husbands, chained to their arm, surfing in the ocean? Like, I don’t get it.” – Kathy (12:57)

• Consistent theme: Modern reality TV’s focus on competition, alliances, and substantial cash prizes over authentic stories.

---

3. The Future of Reality TV: Authenticity vs. Competition

[14:09–20:22]

• Both hosts voice ambivalence about the shift from love-driven stories to game-like competitions.

  • “Do you think...we don’t care about the good story as much as we want competition, the prize at the end, and we want to see what people will do to earn the prize money?” – Kathy (18:43)
  • “I think that’s what it is…you can’t deny it.” – Susan (19:09)

• They note “Bachelor in Paradise” initially focused on couples, but introducing prize money changes motives.

  • “It becomes about alliances. … Let’s say, we’re gonna say we’re in love just to get the money.” – Kathy (20:17)

---

4. Vanderpump Villa Recap: Bachelor Nation Gets Wild

[20:55–39:09]

4.1. Context & Participants

[21:11–22:47]

• Bachelor Nation featured on “Vanderpump Villa” Season 3, Episodes 5 and 6.
• Attendees: Charity, Dotun, Maria, Sean, Mercedes, Ariel, John Xavier, and Jess.
• Official reason: Celebrating Dotun’s 33rd birthday.

4.2. Observations & Critiques

[22:47–38:09]

• Guests:

  • Charity and Dotun behave “classily.”
  • Others (Sean, Jessica, Nick, Maria, etc.) display less reserved behavior—truth or dare, hot tubs, hookups, “Sodom and Gomorrah” levels of drama.
  • “Sean, I want to slap you. I really. I was appalled by your behavior.” – Kathy (22:47)
  • “Statements coming out, like 'hung like a horse'…” (23:17)

• Susan shocked by the party and matchups, raising generational divides in what’s acceptable on TV.

  • “I think it’s the young generation, though. It’s much more free than we ever was.” – Susan (25:12)
  • Kathy: “It’s not about being free…” (25:17)
  • Recurrent references to “Sodom and Gomorrah” as shorthand for out-of-control conduct.

• Dissection of love triangles and shifting allegiances:

  • Jess & Nick, Marciano & Hannah, John & Alyssa (and Nick), etc.
  • Kathy is unimpressed by the rapid, messy relationship switches.

4.3. Memorable Moments & Quotes

• Kathy’s summary to Susan:
  • “It’s modern day Sodom and Gomorrah. I was just like—the behavior, like truth and dare in the hot tub and making out with multiple people and stripping down clothes…” (24:30)
• Susan on reality TV generational divide:
  • “I was amused, but then I was like, wait a minute. You're part of the Bachelor franchise. You gotta behave better.” (33:44)
• When Nick forgets Jess’s name in a confessional:
  • “He can’t even keep it together long enough to film the show. You know, he’s on to the next Love Overboard chick.” – Kathy (36:06)
• On Lisa Vanderpump:
  • “She is 65, a little younger, conducts herself with nothing but classic.” – Kathy (36:25)

---

5. Role Models, Responsibility & Hope for the Future

[38:09–42:34]

• Kathy and Susan reflect on their own behavior (“Golden” standards), lamenting the loss of class, authenticity, and respect in much modern reality TV.

  • “The best part about what we get to do, I think, is being role models for our generation, for women over 60.” – Kathy (38:55)
  • “Life isn’t over...and you don’t have to behave like...whatever. Pick a word.” – Kathy (39:01)
  • On their time on The Golden Bachelor:
    • “My thing is in reality tv, like on our show, I was who I am. I wasn’t acting.” – Susan (41:05)
    • Kathy: “How is this still reality TV then? Reality TV is being real.” (41:27)

• Both plan to keep watching (“I can’t wait. All these other new shows…”)

---

6. Final Thoughts

[40:09–42:34]

• Despite frustrations, Kathy and Susan remain engaged, albeit critical, observers of the reality TV landscape.
• They urge “Bachelor” not to lose its heart and highlight the importance of showing positive, authentic romance and stories.

---

Notable Moments / Quotes with Timestamps

• “Forget going to the Penthouse Ritz. I’m just gonna go hang out in...the hospital, you have the hospital food. I’ll be the one at the Ritz, at the penthouse, eating. That works for me, girlfriend.” – Kathy (05:14)
• “Bachelor...it’s always been in my mind telling a great story and hoping that people fall in love. So, like, love is the backbone of it. But now...it might be a lot of money.” – Kathy (06:27)
• “Maybe they should just have a golden Dance with the Stars.” – Susan (08:13)
• “How about they do a golden Million Dollar Grannies?” – Kathy (10:15)
• “It becomes about alliances. … Let’s say, we’re gonna say we’re in love just to get the money.” – Kathy (20:17)
• “Sean, I want to slap you. I really. I was appalled by your behavior.” – Kathy (22:47)
• “It’s modern day Sodom and Gomorrah.” – Kathy (24:30)
• “I was amused, but then I was like, wait a minute. You're part of the Bachelor franchise. You gotta behave better.” – Kathy (33:44)
• “She is 65, a little younger, conducts herself with nothing but classic.” – Kathy on Lisa Vanderpump (36:25)
• “The best part about what we get to do, I think, is being role models for our generation, for women over 60.” – Kathy (38:55)

---

Key Takeaways

• Shift in Reality TV: Increasing emphasis on cash prizes and competition is altering the core storytelling of shows like “The Bachelor,” leading Kathy and Susan to worry about authenticity and the value of “love” as a central theme.

• Generational Divide: The “Golden” hosts often feel out of place (and purposefully so) amid the younger, wilder reality TV culture, yet find humor and wisdom in offering their “granny” perspectives.

• Bachelor Nation on Vanderpump Villa: Despite some class act participants, the hosts found much of the behavior wild and, at times, “deplorable,” highlighting both the appeal and the pitfalls of colliding franchise worlds.

• Advocating for Realness: Kathy and Susan stress the importance of being oneself on TV, advocating for genuine connection and class, especially for role models in their demographic.

• Looking Forward: The duo is curious but cautious about the upcoming wave of reality shows, hoping their beloved Bachelor franchise keeps its heart—and maybe even puts a golden spin on new concepts.

---

End of recap.

Transcript

[Susan]

This is an iHeart podcast.

[Dr. Jake Goodman]

Guaranteed Human Ever been at a pharmacy counter and your mind goes blank when the pharmacist asks any questions? That's why you need to listen to beyond the Script from CVS Pharmacy and iHeartMedia. Hosted by Dr. Jake Goodman, each episode features real conversations with CVS pharmacists, the health experts you see most, breaking down the questions you wish you'd asked, from which meds may not mix well to what vaccines you need before a big trip. They'll bust myths, decode trends, and share practical advice you can actually use. Listen to beyond the script on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dietz and Watson Sponsor]

I just received my order from Dietz and Watson. I am so excited. I got chicken sausages and flavored cheddar cheeses. I think my favorite one was the champagne cheddar. Dietz and Watson has been handcrafting pre made premium meats and artisan cheeses for over 85 years. They're family owned and operated and they've never cut corners. Ever. Dietz and Watson is simply made. It's as simple as that. Visit dietzandwatson.com the right way to learn more about the Dietz difference.

[Trashy Sponsor]

Ready to finally clean out your closet with Trashy? You can donate your clothes, reduce waste and earn cash rewards all in one simple step. Just fill a take back bag, send it in and get rewards. Cash back for every bag. And now with Trashee Unlimited you get unlimited bags for just $48 your first year. Clean out, donate, earn rewards. Visit Trashee IO to get started.

[Reef Sponsor]

If you are looking for a cute new pair of sandals for summer, you have to check out Reef. I have been on the hunt for a perfect pair of flip flops. So I was so excited when I got my pair of reefs because not only are they so cute, but they're actually comfortable and exactly what I've been pinning to my Pinterest board. They have been doing this forever. It's kind of their thing. Flip flops, platforms, slides, premium materials and so stylish. So whatever your vibe is, they have your wardrobe set for everything on the agenda. Styles for the beach, brunch, date night or vacation. They're super comfortable, they look great and you'll feel effortlessly put together. Explore the full collection on reef.com and get 15% off your first purchase.

[Amazon Health AI Sponsor]

Hey everyone, it's Kelpen. I'm inviting you to join the best sounding book club you've ever heard with my podcast Hearsay, the Audible and I Heart Audiobook Club. Every episode, I nerd out with amazing guests and dive into the best new audiobooks available on Audible. It's the book club for your ears. Listen to Earsay, the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kathy]

Welcome back to Golden Hour. I'm Kathy.

[Susan]

And I'm Susan. And I'm so happy to be back. How are you, Kathy?

[Kathy]

I'm great. I missed you. I missed you. I know you were in a foreign land having a great time, but I missed you. I missed someone to disagree with. I missed. I missed us giving advice and. And us arguing over it. So I'm glad you're back and we can get back into life as it were.

[Susan]

Trust me, I've missed it as well. I'm like. Kept thinking, what am I missing? What am I missing? And where I was. The food was terrible. I'm just telling you.

[Kathy]

Okay, well, it always comes down to food, food with you.

[Susan]

Well, I'm a foodie. What can I say?

[Kathy]

Oh, my God, I enjoy food. No, you, I. You don't enjoy all food. You enjoy the food you prepare.

[Susan]

No, I like to go out. Oh, no, no, no. I like to go out. I like to try different things, too.

[Kathy]

Do you like, like Brazilian food? Thai food? Do you like all different cuisines?

[Susan]

Not all of them.

[Kathy]

There you go. What's your favorite cuisine? I'm going to go with Italian.

[Susan]

Not necessarily. I like a good steak.

[Dietz and Watson Sponsor]

Of course you do.

[Susan]

I do. Tie to me, I like Thai. It seems mild, boring, like just maybe I haven't had the right Thai. I'd like to be with people that, that will specialize in some food group and show me the best of that.

[Kathy]

Yeah, I just don't care.

[Susan]

That I'm willing to do.

[Kathy]

Yeah, I mean, I don't care. I just. Although, can I tell you, when I was in the hospital while you were gone, the food in the hospital, I

[Susan]

was like, you're gonna tell me it was good, Kath. I'm gonna cry.

[Kathy]

It was good. I was like, this is great. Can I come here and eat three meals a day? I mean, the only thing that was a little not so great was the asparagus, you know, but was it mushy? No, it was too big. It was too thick. I like those thin spears. But, you know, I was like, the, the, the chicken was good. The, the eggs. I had an omelet. I was like, you know what? I'm forget going to the Penthouse Ritz. I'm just gonna go hang out in

[Susan]

the house, you have the hospital food. I'll be the one at the Ritz, at the penthouse, eating. That works for me, girlfriend.

[Kathy]

All right. You know, while we're eating hospital food, we gotta get into the Hulu Get Real recap. Hulu made a lot of announcements at Get Real House, and we're gonna give a quick recap. But first, Susan, how do you feel? Like I wasn't invited. Were you?

[Susan]

I was there last year, but I wasn't this year. I wonder what the problem is here.

[Kathy]

Well, you're one for two. I'm zero for two. And I will say, when I was looking online, there were no Goldens there. It was all the youngins and young influencers. So what are we doing wrong, Susan?

[Susan]

We got old, but we have wisdom and people like us.

[Kathy]

That's right. And we get people off the couch. So you know what? We're all living our best lives. Let's start with the Bachelor. The great news. And this I am so excited about that Bachelor and Bachelor in paradise will be back in 2027. What do you think?

[Susan]

It had to be. I mean, that's a great show. Are you kidding? And I'm just curious, are they going to have golden sets this time on it Paradise. There'll be money at the end of the show.

[Kathy]

You know, it's funny you say that, because we're going to talk about a lot of other new shows that are coming out on Hulu. And here's my thought in general before we get any further. For me, Bachelor, particularly the franchises, it's always been in my mind telling a great story and hoping that people fall in love. So, like, love is the backbone of it. But now it's like, it might be a lot of money. It takes the focus off of love and the great stories. So I don't know. But if. If. Let's just say it goes back to being about love. Who do you think the Bachelor will be? Because my understanding is the first thing they're going to film is a Bachelor, and then they'll film Bachelor in Paradise. So who do you want? Who do you think will be Bachelor?

[Susan]

Think it may be somebody from Taylor season.

[Kathy]

I totally agree with you. There's been talk about Robert Irwin, who won Dance with the Stars, but he's. Which we're going to get into. He's doing another show that we'll get into in a second.

[Susan]

I think he's a little young to be the Bachelor, but he will be someday, I believe.

[Kathy]

Well, I think so, too. I mean, I would Love to see one of the guys from Taylor season. First of all, I'd like to see Taylor season shown, but I think it would be great to have one of those guys because they are some good looking, nice guys.

[Susan]

I know. And also, new news. Dancing with the Stars, the next pro. My dream come true is to be on that show. But Mara Higgins and Sierra Miller announced as new cast members. Okay, here we go. We're getting younger at people with big followings. I think that's a new route that they've taken.

[Kathy]

Yeah, you and I are toast.

[Susan]

But they have to have seniors on the show though. Kat, we're not toast. They have to have golden. So mix it up. Maybe they should just have a golden dance with the stars.

[Kathy]

You know what? A golden dating show, a golden travel show, a golden cooking show. I'll set the table. Anything would be great. Maura Higgins, if I'm right, she is like a 35 year old who is on Love Island. And then the other one, Ciara Miller came from Summer House and Winterhouse. So these are young, not. Not teenagers, but they're young influencers already. Current reality TV stars. And I think that's where it's going. But also, Robert Irwin is going to be the host of this new show of finding the next pro. What they're doing is again, shocker, a competition to see who the next pro is going to be for Dancing with the Stars.

[Susan]

Dancing with the Stars. Yep. I mean, they're twisting it up. They're changing it up, I guess. I mean, they were successful for 100 years, it feels like. Yeah, but it's modern day. You got to. You got to switch things up.

[Kathy]

Well, you do, but I do. I do hate to see, just personally, I hate to see everything going to money unless they're handing it to me, in which case I love the idea. The next one though is speaking of money is Million dollar nannies. Okay? What this show's gonna be is eight young nannies. They're influencers. And it's gonna be life changing money. They're gonna be nanning to famous families in my favorite place, Ibiza. I even know how to say it. Ibiza. And one of them is gonna be, I think Leah Barris, who worked for the. They're touting this as lots of personal drama, you know, lots of God knows what else is going on. But apparently nannies who are experienced are going to compete for money in Ibiza. What could possibly go wrong there?

[Susan]

That's the most beautiful island. Oh, God, I love it.

[Kathy]

How about having. What do you think about this, Susan. We have raised kids. We have grandchildren. How about they do a golden Million Dollar Grannies?

[Susan]

Well, that. We could be a nanny.

[Kathy]

I said Million Dollar Granny Nannies. I love it. We could do it. All right. Okay.

[Susan]

The next one, the Girls. Now, it's a 2026 Hulu reality series. Wait, it's about the Kardashian. Well, Khloe Kardashian is in it, of course, and she's focusing on her inner circle of real life besties. That's all her friends. Like, can you imagine?

[Kathy]

You know what we need? We. That's where we went wrong. We're not one of her besties or we'd be on the show.

[Susan]

I'm telling you, the show is going to follow their lives as moms and moguls. So some of them have been on the show. Like her best friend that always comes on the show. This I will definitely tune into. Yeah.

[Kathy]

Okay. Well, the next one you're really going to want to tune into, Susan, because this. This show, you know, everything that has any hint of Italy or Italian you're in. This show is called the Mob.

[Susan]

I should be on it.

[Kathy]

Kathy, you know what? Get in line. I want to be on it first. This is like. It's trader like. And they're going to be competing in Italy in a villa, I believe. Shocker again. For more money. Do you. There's, you know, these. Are you hearing it? It's there. So it's a variation on a theme. Competition and money in this show. There's. They're going to have a don, you know, of the Mob.

[Susan]

Once you can change it at any

[Kathy]

time, he can change it. He can vote people off. So you and I need to go and be the dons and clean house. But, you know, and Shane from Taylor, Frankie, Paul season is on it. And you know who else is on it? Maria Georges, if I'm saying her last name right.

[Susan]

That's right.

[Kathy]

She's on it as well.

[Susan]

She's our.

[Kathy]

Why are we on these?

[Susan]

Susan, I've been on something else recently, too, that we're going to talk about.

[Kathy]

Yeah. Vanderpump Villa. But I want to know, why are you and I not invited to the Hulu Get Real party that everyone was at? We're not on these shows. Give me your best take. Why are we not on these shows?

[Susan]

Out of sight, out of mind. We need to be in their face showing them, hey, remember us?

[Kathy]

All right. We're going to have to get.

[Susan]

We are good tv.

[Kathy]

That we are. All right. What's the next one.

[Susan]

You got Secret the New Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, Orange County.

[Kathy]

Okay, wait, can I just say I the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, Salt Lake. Like, I get that cuz that's where

[Susan]

the preponderance live, right?

[Kathy]

Of Mormons live in Utah. Orange County. What? Like, are we going to see Mormons? Are we going to see Mormons like in, in with their husbands, chained to their arm, surfing in the ocean? Like, I don't get it.

[Susan]

And wait, everybody asked and no, J. Ben Affleck is not the star. She will not be.

[Kathy]

So I think that, I think that from what I read about this show, it's going to be a group of, you know, I'm not quoting it, but moms, but traditional Mormon wives with other Mormon wives that are more adaptable to change. And it's going to be, you know, one bumping into the other and, and there's going to be a lot of drama there. Shocker, shocker, shocker. The only thing I'm not sure of is if there's money involved, because it seems to be that money is involved in all these shows. Susan.

[Susan]

Yes, it seems to be money involved with everything lately. I mean, does that make it more dramatic? Maybe. Does that change one's personality? Like when we know the Bachelor, that's about love.

[Dr. Jake Goodman]

Ever been at a pharmacy counter and the pharmacist asks, do you have any questions? And suddenly your mind goes blank? That's exactly why you need to listen to beyond the Script from CVS Pharmacy and iHeartMedia. Hosted by Dr. Jake Goodman, this podcast brings you real conversations with CVS pharmacists, the health experts you see most answering the questions you wish you'd asked, like which medications might not mix well, what vaccines you should consider before a big trip. And even those questions you are too embarrassed to say out loud. Each episode busts myths, decodes health trends, and gives you practical, trustworthy advice straight from the people behind the counter. No white coats, no lectures, just real talk, real answers and maybe a few laughs. Listen to beyond the script on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dietz and Watson Sponsor]

I just received my order from Dietz and Watson. I am so excited. I got chicken sausages and flavored cheddar cheeses. You know, I'm from New England and I know a genuine New York State cheddar when I see it. They are infused with real ingredients, iconic flavors, and a smooth, creamy finish. I think my favorite one was the champagne cheddar. It just is delicious. And the chicken sausage. They never have antibiotics, no nitrates are added, they're gluten free and they have bold, authentic recipes. Dietz and Watson has been handcrafting premium meats and artisan cheeses for over 85 years. They're family owned and operated and they've never cut corners. Ever. They're transparent about what goes into their food and what doesn't and they know good taste doesn't need a long list of ingredients. Dietz and Watson is simply made. It's as simple as that. Visit dietzandwatson.com therightway to learn more about the Dietz difference.

[Trashy Sponsor]

You know that pile of clothes you've been meaning to deal with? Yeah, same. That's why I love Trashy. It's the easiest way to clean out your closet, send your clothes somewhere better and actually get rewarded for it. No more letting things sit around or wondering what to do with them. You just fill up a take back bag with clothes you don't wear anymore, send it in and Trashy takes care of the rest, keeping it out of landfills and giving it a second life. It's such a simple way to feel good about clearing space and doing something better for the planet. And here's the best part. You earn cash rewards back for every bag you send, which makes it even easier to stay consistent. You can check it out at Trashy IO Plus with Trashy Unlimited you can get unlimited bags for just $48 your first year. An easy at home clean out system so you can stay on top of it all year long. Clean out Donate Earn Rewards head to Trashy I.O. to get started today.

[Reef Sponsor]

If you are looking for a cute new pair of sandals for summer, you have to check out Reef. I have been on the hunt for the perfect pair of flip flops for the summer and I absolutely found them. It is so hard to find a pair that's comfortable and cute, but Reef truly has it all. They've been doing this forever. It's kind of their thing and not just one style or look. They really cover every moment in every outfit. Classic flip flops, comfy styles, chunkier platforms, easy slides. Whatever your vibe is, they have your wardrobe set for everything on the agenda. I've worn them to the beach, to brunch, running errands, even on days when I don't feel like trying but still want to look cute. That is the sweet spot. They're super comfortable, they look great and you'll feel effortlessly put together. No overthinking, just the perfect pairs that do it all. If you don't have your go to sandals for summer yet. Reef has so many styles to choose from. Explore the full collection on reef.com and get 15% off your first purchase.

[Amazon Health AI Sponsor]

Amazon Health AI presents Painful Thoughts I.

[Amazon Health AI Voice]

I can't stop scratching my downtown. Yeah, but I'm not itching to go downtown and tell a receptionist I'm here to talk about my downtown. Some things you'd rather type than say out loud.

[Amazon Health AI Sponsor]

There's no question too embarrassing for Amazon Health AI. Chat your symptoms and get virtual care 24. 7 Healthcare just got less painful.

[Kathy]

Do you think this just my question to you. Do you think the days of. Of shows that are. Yes, they're always about a good story that goes without saying. But do you think that it's changing to we don't care about the good story as much as we want competition, the price at the end, and we want to see what people will do to earn the prize money. Do you think that's where we're headed?

[Susan]

I think that's, that's what I'm saying. I mean, you can't deny it.

[Kathy]

How do you feel about that?

[Susan]

Chevelle has the pot of gold at the end, right?

[Kathy]

How do you exactly. How do you feel about that? For Bachelor?

[Susan]

I Because we're watching, watching Paradise, I thought it was kind of cool. Like, oh, there's a little twist here, and somebody's going to make some money at that.

[Kathy]

But here's the difference.

[Susan]

They question whether that love was real, but they put that in there as well. Very, very good move because when they questioned them singly and they both answered the same that gave me yes.

[Kathy]

But you got to remember because I was there Bachelor in Paradise the first, what, four episodes, Nobody knew that money was gonna. That it was gonna become a competition. In other words, all the people that matched up, you know, found each other. They were solidified as a couple before they brought money into it. Where going forward it be, I think it takes the love out of it and brings in an alliance. Let's Susan, you and I, come on. We're gonna, we're gonna say we're in

[Susan]

love just to get the money.

[Kathy]

Exactly right. It becomes about alliances and so I don't know. I don't know how I feel.

[Susan]

We shall see. But I'm probably going to tune into most of them. You know, the mob's going to be on front and center.

[Kathy]

Susan's gonna be sitting with her baseball bat saying, you know, but listen, if you go on the mob, you better bring me with you because you and I will Take baseball bats to everybody. We'll be the dons. Plural. Now, that's a good idea. Wait.

[Susan]

We could be the dom.

[Kathy]

You and I could be the dons.

[Susan]

I don't want to be the don.

[Dietz and Watson Sponsor]

Why not?

[Susan]

Heads will roll, Kathy.

[Kathy]

Heads will roll. That's the point. Will be great tv. We're on it. Producers get us on it. All right. Go.

[Susan]

All right, we definitely got to do some recap on Vanderpump Villa. So Bachelor Nation was featured on two episodes of Vanderpump Villa, and we watched it. So let's do a little recap.

[Kathy]

First of all, there were so many. The Bachelor cast on these episodes of Vanderpump Villa included Charity, Dot, Maria, Sean, Mercedes, Ariel, John Xavier, and Jess. And here's the thing. The. The. Not without breaking it for everybody and spoiling it. The. The reason that. That they were all there was to celebrate. This was the reason given to celebrate Dalton's 33rd birthday. So charity and Daughton and all this crowd were there ostensibly to.

[Susan]

That's why they were invited. That's why they were invited to celebrate. So, Kath, have you seen the show before?

[Kathy]

Not Vanderpump Villa. I had seen Vanderpump Rules. Yes, Yes.

[Susan]

I was a little uncertain about the show, so watching it, I realize, again, there's a pot of money at the end.

[Kathy]

Not. Not. No, no, no. The pot of money is not for the guests.

[Susan]

Now, I understand that.

[Kathy]

It's only for the staff.

[Susan]

She hires for her staff, and who shines the most.

[Kathy]

Correct.

[Susan]

Now, I don't see how the butler can shine more than the bartender, because the bartender is going to be the one that they're with all the time because everybody's drinking.

[Kathy]

Well, every week.

[Susan]

I didn't realize it was such a. They were supposed to hook up with these people and get crazy. I did, however, notice our bachelor people were very involved. I will say Charity and Dalton, they're together. They weren't involved. They were a class act.

[Kathy]

So, okay, so Charity and Daughton were not featured as much. They showed them, like, coming into dinner for the birthday celebration for breakfast, and. And they were very circumspect. I wish I could say the same for our bachelor friends. Sean, I want to slap you. I really. I was appalled by your behavior. And Jessica, you and Nick. Come on, girlfriend. You know, Really? I don't know. I. You know what I'm gonna be.

[Susan]

Statements coming out, like, hung like a horse, like.

[Kathy]

Well, how about Maria saying you believe that one? Out you with her? I mean, I'm Like I will say, as a Golden, as a. A supporter and lover of all things Bachelor and the Bachelor franchise, I was disappointed in the behavior. And I know that's not going to be a pop. But be honest. You called me and you said, I was shocked. You were shocked, literally. And what did I tell you?

[Susan]

That's what this show was about. I really did.

[Kathy]

I didn't either.

[Susan]

I do now. I do now. Now, once again, we weren't invited. The Golden's. Maybe if they invited the whole golden crew. I wonder if the actions would be quite the same.

[Kathy]

Well, two things I want to say to me. My immediate. And I called you, so everyone knows. I called Susan right after I watched the two episodes. 5 and 6 are the two episodes. Season 3 episodes 5 and 6 are the ones where the Bachelor folk are there at this castle in England with the. That's where Vanderpump Villa is this season

[Dietz and Watson Sponsor]

in London or outside of London.

[Kathy]

I called Susan, I said, have you finished watching? She said, not yet. I said, get ready. It's modern day Sodom and Gomorrah. I was just like the behavior, like truth and dare in the hot tub and making out with multiple people and stripping down clothes and I mean, so here's what I thought it reminded me a little bit of. You asked me what Goldens would do. I would never do that. Because as Goldens, the small platform you and I have, I want to be seen. And as a woman of class, of style, who is compassionate. I mean, it's the same problem I had with paradise with the Golden's making out in the pool. I wouldn't do that. Would you?

[Susan]

I think it's the young generation, though. It's much more free than we ever was.

[Kathy]

It's not about being free in my.

[Susan]

Yeah, it is. They don't care, Cat. They don't care.

[Kathy]

Well, that's different.

[Susan]

Two. Two things I want to talk about.

[Kathy]

Okay.

[Susan]

One, when Charity was sitting and answering questions about what? Remember when Vanderpump would say, you're not jealous about da da da da da. Remember that conversation?

[Kathy]

Yes.

[Susan]

Okay. How she answered it. And the other one saying, I don't know if I'd be okay with that, of him being around all the exes. And Charity laughed and said, well, I'm fine, but if they. If it were reversed, how would the other one act? Right.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Susan]

Wasn't that the topic of the conversation?

[Kathy]

Yeah. And you know what? I think she was fair. She was. She said she wouldn't like it. That and I would. And I got to Be honest. I wouldn't either. But so.

[Susan]

But I think he Chosen one. You need to be comfortable. Yeah, I mean, he obviously did a show with her. She was. You know, it does. That's just what it is. My best part was Nick and Jess, and when she screams at him, Nick. And they stopped the car. Oh, Cat, that's. That's all about love right there.

[Kathy]

Okay.

[Susan]

I hope to God that they do continue to see each other. Although I saw the previews.

[Kathy]

No, no, no, no, no. You stop. You called me and you went, kathy, I really hope that Nick and Jess did get together. And what did I say? Are you out of your mind? Did you see. If anyone wonders, we talk this way off air. On air. I said, susan, are you out of your mind? Did you see the previews? The next crowd were women coming in from Girls coming in from Love Overboard. And. And Nick, they're all going, oh, look at that. Like, they. They can't wait to get their hands all over those bodies. So if I were Jazz and Ariel,

[Susan]

like, thinking, Charlie's all that plus some. He's just a flirt.

[Kathy]

Oh, no, I. I know Ariel. I think Ariel was just playing. She's just having fun. Ariel. Charlie's not her guy. In my mind, Charlie's just, you know, he's a flirt. He's a flirt. He. He's with her today and another one tomorrow. I think Nick is the same.

[Susan]

Shawn ends up with Hannah, of all people.

[Kathy]

Okay. Shawn and Hannah. Good God.

[Susan]

Right in front of the Marciano guy. Oh, that girl is all over the place.

[Kathy]

Well, so, Sean. I love you, Sean, but come on, You. You're. You're. You're a fabulous guy. I know you personally, and your behavior is deplorable.

[Dr. Jake Goodman]

Ever been at a pharmacy counter and the pharmacist asks, do you have any questions? And suddenly your mind goes blank? That's exactly why you need to listen to beyond the script from CVS Pharmacy and iHeartMedia. Hosted by Dr. Jake Goodman, this podcast brings you real conversations with CVS pharmacists, the health experts you see most answering the questions you wish you'd asked, like which medications might not mix well, what vaccines you should consider before a big trip, and even those questions you are too embarrassed to say out loud. Each episode busts myths, decodes health trends, and gives you practical, trustworthy advice straight from the people behind the counter. No white coats, no lectures. Just real talk, real answers, and maybe a few laughs. Listen to beyond the script on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dietz and Watson Sponsor]

I just received my order from Dietz and Watson. I am so excited. I got chicken sausages and flavored cheddar cheeses. You know I'm from New England and I know a genuine New York State cheddar when I see it. They are infused with real ingredients, iconic flavors and a smooth, creamy finish. I think my favorite one was the Champagne cheddar. It just is delicious. And the chicken sausage. They never have antibiotics, no nitrates are added, they're gluten free and they have bold, authentic recipes. Dietz and Watson has been handcrafting premium meats and artisan cheeses for over 85 years. They're family owned and operated and they've never cut corners. Ever. They're transparent about what goes into their food and what doesn't and they know good taste, Good doesn't need a long list of ingredients. Dietz and Watson is simply made. It's as simple as that. Visit dietzandwatson.com therightway to learn more about the Dietz difference.

[Trashy Sponsor]

Ready to finally clean out your closet? With Trashee, you can donate your clothes, reduce waste and earn cash rewards all in one simple step. Just fill a take back bag, send it in and get rewards. Cash back for every bag. And now with Trashee Unlimited you get unlimited bags for just $48 your first year. Clean out, donate earn rewards. Visit Trashy IO to get started.

[Reef Sponsor Alternate]

This episode is brought to you by Reef and if comfort had a personality, yeah, it'd be them. You probably think sandals and fair, but the women's Neptune is proof that they absolutely nailed everyday shoes too. This one slips right into your life. No planning required. The Crushback heel lets you wear it your way. Just kick it on when you're rushing out the door. Flip it up when the day calls for a little bit more stability. It's lightweight, breathable and quietly doing the most, which I love. And the soft quilted insole. That part your feet will thank you for later. For me, it feels like stepping onto a plush pillow every single time I wore these on a full, chaotic day in the city. From subways to hailing taxis, running endless errands, meetings. And the best part of it all. Not once did I notice the shoes that I was wearing because they felt that good. My feet were more than good. They were great. Great enough that it'll make you want to keep going and making sure that you're getting those steps in easy, comfortable and handled. If you want a shoe that keeps up with you without asking questions, check out the Woman's Neptune on reef.com and treat yourself to 15% off your first purchase.

[Amazon Health AI Sponsor]

Amazon Health AI presents painful thoughts.

[Amazon Health AI Voice]

I. I can't stop scratching my downtown.

[Susan]

Mm.

[Amazon Health AI Voice]

Yeah, but I'm not itching to go downtown and tell a receptionist I'm here to talk about my downtown. Some things you'd rather type than say out loud.

[Amazon Health AI Sponsor]

There's no question too embarrassing for Amazon Health AI. Chat your symptoms and get virtual care 24. 7 Healthcare just got less painful.

[Kathy]

John and Alyssa. Okay, so with Nick from the. From Vanderpump Villa. But they're open, right? So Nick and I couldn't. It was like I was getting a headache watching this. Like, and I was thinking, if this were my children, I'd want to slap them upside to the head, you know, Alyssa. Did you think Alyssa was in Damn, I didn't. No, no, no.

[Susan]

I mean, she was just going along with it. I think that's what you had to do on that show. You had to be with somebody.

[Kathy]

I mean, Susan, if you and I. And I'm putting a bid out for us to be on the next season of Vanderpump Villa. Right after we finish the mom, we're going to show them how it should be done. However. However, if this is what. You know, if we are just old and I'm, you know, hearkening back to the Victorian era here, but if that's where it is, okay. But I think, you know, in other podcasts, we. We talked with Demi about raising good men. You know, raising sons to be good men. Well, you know what? I think when you're watching behavior like this, it's not teaching anyone in society to be respectful of others. It's Sodom and Gomorrah. It's lustful.

[Susan]

And there's jealousy about Tyler. Get really annoyed with Sage for briefly speaking with John. Remember that scene? Yeah, but I'm just where he gets pissed off. Nick tries to go to bed with Jess.

[Kathy]

I mean, listen to what you're reading. Do you think all this is it? Can you chalk it all up to strict entertainment? Can you?

[Susan]

Oh, I was entertained, all right. I was, like, in shock half the time.

[Kathy]

Yeah, but is it the entertainment that you want to spend your time watching? That kind of behavior?

[Susan]

Not necessarily.

[Kathy]

No. Okay. You and I.

[Susan]

It wasn't my thing. It really was.

[Kathy]

Yeah, no, it was. I was.

[Susan]

But I was amused watching these kids.

[Kathy]

Yeah, I was amused, but then I was like, wait a minute. You're part of the Bachelor franchise. You gotta. You gotta behave better. You know, you gotta.

[Susan]

But they were put on in that situation.

[Kathy]

Oh, so you're telling me that.

[Susan]

And then, yuck.

[Kathy]

And people tell me that Jeff to

[Susan]

them, and they gave them time and attention. That's how they roll, Cat. They're there to have a good time, and then they walk away and say, oh, that was just a weekend.

[Kathy]

Well, you know, everybody watching it. Then. Then don't. Okay, Susan. Fair enough. But then don't come to me and say, I hope Nick. Wait, wait. Don't come and say to me, oh, I hope Nick and Jess are together, because it's not real. But it's not real if it's just a weekend.

[Susan]

Eventually, they really were into each other. And she's so damn cute.

[Kathy]

Well, let me just say. I know. I know Jess, too. I love her. I'm just saying. Come on, people. Get real. Nick. When Nick tells Jesse wants to come and visit her in the States or have her visit him in Scotland, I'm raising my. To meet his mom. I lived in Scotland. I'm like, hey, can I come meet your mom? Because I'd love to go back to Scotland. Because that's how. How much that's going to last with Jess. Yeah. Just got out.

[Susan]

Of the whole show, the most drama was all about Hannah and Marciano and how she is with him, like, without the cameras. And then what she does to him in front of the camera. It's like, that's not fair.

[Kathy]

This.

[Susan]

This girl sounds a little.

[Kathy]

I don't know.

[Susan]

I felt sorry for him.

[Kathy]

I went back and forth with Marciano. First I thought the guy was okay, then I thought he was crazy. And then you get Stacy trying to, you know, mediate. I'm like, this. It just seemed like, do we need to stretch the show? Is this what we're doing now? Like, we don't have enough content. So let's just have him have a good argument. I mean, really, it was hard to watch.

[Susan]

And then at night, Alyssa is with John all night, but ends up sleeping with Nick, who tried to go to bed with Jess. I mean, this is a freaking mess.

[Kathy]

Yeah. This is what I. Listen, The. The. The. The thing that I loved was they. They. When they're doing the, you know, in the moment interviews, and they asked Jess, oh, wait, now I have to think about this. Did they ask Jessica and she. No, they asked Nick, I think, and he couldn't remember her name.

[Susan]

He's like.

[Kathy]

And the producer had to say, jess. Oh, yeah, Jess. I'm like, he can't even keep it together long enough to film the show. You know, he's on to the next love Overboard chick. I mean, right? Wow. And then Lisa Vanderpump, let me just say she is RH. She is 65, a little younger, conducts

[Susan]

herself with nothing but classic.

[Kathy]

Classic, right? So, Lisa, we loved you. You are smart enough to stay out of the fray.

[Susan]

And she looked a little shocked a couple times, didn't she? And.

[Kathy]

But she's still making millions on the show, so good for you, Lisa. I loved it when she brought in Hannah, you know, to say you're not. You're not working up to snuff here. I mean, really, she's. Too bad you came to me. Sodom and Gomorrah. Nobody's worried about being up to snuff here. They're just worried about the next sexual encounter in the hot tub.

[Susan]

Young lady's name that got in trouble because she's not with the guest enough. And then she does. Then her boyfriend gets all mad. He's not even speaking to her. I'm like, come on, this girl can't win.

[Kathy]

Yeah, it was. I can't remember who it was, but I don't know. Sage. It was Sage. It was Sage. Yeah, it was Sage. And I don't know, I just, I think, I think you can make a show, like really entertaining without doing such perverse, in some ways, behavior. I was just a little disappointed in that. But I know I'm going to take a lot of heat for this. I think you can have love and romance and interesting, chaotic stories without having some of the behavior that we saw.

[Susan]

Can we just talk about the settings, the table, the arrangements, the flowers? It was Bridgerton all the way for Dalton's birthday thing. I mean, it was gorgeous.

[Kathy]

I mean, Susan, next year for your 70th birthday, Lisa, bring Susan and me first. Susan, celebrate.

[Susan]

There you go. I want to celebrate my 70th on that show. However, Lisa, hire a little older staff. Then what will happen, Kathy?

[Kathy]

Oh, listen, we could say very easy.

[Susan]

We're not going to mess around with these kids. But if there's an older, older step, I don't know.

[Kathy]

So you asked, you asked me when we were talking on the phone, you said, kathy, would you. Do, you know, would you make out with a guy? And what did I tell you? I said, yeah, it. No, I said I would if it was an age appropriate guy that I was attracted to. But you're not gonna see me. You're not gonna see me with a young guy, and you're not gonna see me jumping into bed or taking off my bathing suit in a hot tub. Or you know what. Or using. Dropping the F bomb. Because you and I. Part of the part. And then I'll get off my soapbox. You and I. The best part about what we get to do, I think, is being role models for our generation, for women over

[Susan]

60, thinking life is over life.

[Kathy]

So life isn't over. And you don't have to.

[Susan]

Agreed.

[Kathy]

You don't have to behave like. Like a. Whatever. Pick a word.

[Susan]

Well, they. That show got me sucked in. I started from the beginning.

[Kathy]

I know.

[Susan]

We had watched episode five, watched it from the get go on season three. Now I finish. Because right away, when they found out Love Overboard girls were coming, it was very clear the men were already over the Bachelor.

[Kathy]

Wait a minute. Wait a second. That's what I said. They were over them. And you go, no, I want Nick and Jess.

[Susan]

Not Nick and Jess. I want them together.

[Kathy]

Did you see Nick's face when he saw the girls coming from Lava?

[Susan]

Yes, I saw it.

[Kathy]

But you need to get off your fairy tale princess wings and start looking at reality here, because reality, it is

[Susan]

one hell of a show, I'll tell you. I can't wait. All these other new shows that are coming out, I wonder if they're going to be similar.

[Kathy]

Well, I think there's going to be money involved on a lot of them. And you know what? We just got to wait and see. There's two sides to this story, right? One is do what you do the best and you know, know your audience and do what you do in the best way possible. And I think Bachelor has done that on.

[Susan]

On reality tv.

[Kathy]

Bachelor is reality tv. I think that all this all. But I think the difference is, Susan, there are so many new shows now about love. Love Overboard Love, act love on the spectrum. My God, love is blind. I can't even think of them all. There's so many of them that people feel the need, rightfully so probably, to come up with a new creative something to make their show stand out. I'm sorry that, you know, that it comes down to money because, you know, not for love nor money. I mean, money's the root of all evil. How many of those old pithy expressions can we say. But I. I get it. There has to be some change with the times. But I'm. I. As part of the Bachelor franchise, I just. I'm going on record. I hope they don't deviate too far from the wonderful stories and the quest for love.

[Susan]

Now, my. My thing is in reality tv, like on our show, I was who I am. I wasn't acting?

[Kathy]

No.

[Susan]

Do you think that some of them are falling into I'm going to act this out because it's good TV or

[Kathy]

you mean the players, the cast? Yes, without a doubt. You are absolutely right.

[Susan]

So how is this still reality TV then? Reality TV is being real. Were you somebody different when you were on the show?

[Kathy]

No, Susan, I'm not going to name names. How many of the Goldens do you know who were not themselves on. On our show, on Joan's season, on Mel's season, We've got to know how many of them.

[Susan]

Well, it's changed going down the line because we were the first and we were authentic.

[Kathy]

Yeah, that's right. So, you know, I don't know. Let's get to be interesting. Let's go. We're going to get to the golden hotline because I got to finish up with this so I can set my dvr. There's another old term to. What's it? Dvr. So I can set my whatever to record all these reality TV shows.

[Susan]

Just talk to the TV now.

[Kathy]

C. I know. Hit the. Hit the microphone. Play love overboard. Can I just thank God I now

[Susan]

know what hooking up is. Uhhuh. We've come a long way.

[Kathy]

I swear to God, if you didn't know after watching V what hooking up is, there is absolutely no hope for you.

[Susan]

Just somebody get a note to Lisa that we need a golden for my 70th I want my part party, I want the table exactly the same.

[Kathy]

No, no. We're gonna do something way better for you.

[Susan]

That's all for today's episode, but Kathy and I will be back with part two very soon. We'll see you then.

[Dietz and Watson Sponsor]

I just received my order from Dietz and Watson. I am so excited. I got chicken, sausages and flavored cheddar cheeses. I think my favorite one was the champagne cheddar. Dietz Watson has been handcrafting premium meats and artisan cheeses for over 85 years. They're family owned and operated and they've never cut corners, ever. Dietz and Watson is simply made. It's as simple as that. Visit dietzandwatson.com the right way to learn more about the Dietz difference.

[Trashy Sponsor]

You know that pile of clothes you've been meaning to deal with? Yeah, same. That's why I love trashy. It's the easiest way to clean out your closet, send your clothes somewhere better and actually get rewarded for it. No more letting things sit around or wondering what to do with them. You just fill up a take back bag with clothes you don't wear anymore. Send it in and Trashy takes care of the rest, keeping it out of landfills and giving it a second life. It's such a simple way to feel good about clearing space and doing something better for the planet. And here's the best part. You earn cash rewards back for every bag you send, which makes it even easier to stay consistent. You can check it out at Trashee IO Plus with Trashy Unlimited you can get unlimited bags for just $48 your first year. An easy at home cleanout system so you can stay on top of it all year long. Clean out, Donate Earn rewards Head to Trashee IO to get started today.

[Reef Sponsor Alternate]

Quick pause for reef because your feet deserve better. You know them for sandals, but the woman's Neptune is that effortless sneaker you didn't know you were missing. For me, I'm always on the go. Whether I'm running around the city, catching the subway, running through airports, trying to catch my next flight, or just trying to get through a long day comfortably, these Reef Neptune shoes have genuinely become my everyday go to. They're lightweight, super comfortable and extremely versatile, making it easy to style with literally anything. I love that I can slip them on, head out the door and know that my feet are taken care of all day. If you're looking for a shoe that keeps up with real life, these are it. Check out the womans Neptune on reef.com and treat yourself to 15% off your first purchase. Can I come clean about something? I am definitely not someone who likes doing laundry. Yeah, I don't think there is anyone who does. Whether you put your stinky gym clothes in with your delicates, forgot a load of clothes in the washer for a few days, or haven't washed your favorite jeans in far too long, you're not alone. Luckily, Arm and Hammer Deep Clean is here to help. Arm and Hammer Deep Clean is the powerful shortcut that forgives your own shortcuts. It's made for real life Stinking stains. Because it's just laundry, you shouldn't stress over it. And now you don't have to. From the number one liquid detergent brand that tackles more loads than any other. Come clean with Arm and Hammer Deep Clean Number one claim based on total wash loads sold.

[Bowen Yang]

This is Bowen Yang from Lost Culturistos with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. We all know the feeling when life gets really busy. Taking care of yourself can feel impossible. That's why Premier protein shakes are my go to. They have 30 grams of protein 160 calories, no added sugar, and they taste amazing. So they're a healthy choice you'll actually want to make. It's not just for fitness, it's for getting after life. The 30 grams of protein gives you the fuel you need. It's not just for intense gym sessions, it's just for with the wide variety of flavors from cafe latte to cake batter, it never feels boring. It's a flavor for everyone. I personally love the peaches and cream, but maybe you're a root beer floater, cinnamon roll kind of person. Premier Protein powers me to say yes to more. Find your favorite [e-mail] that's P-R-E M I-E R protein.com or at Amazon, Walmart, and other major retailers.

[Susan]

This is an I Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.