Kathy & Susan’s Crash Course on Aging | Golden Hour

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Bachelor Happy Hour – Golden Hour: “Kathy & Susan’s Crash Course on Aging”

Original Air Date: December 11, 2025
Featured Hosts: Kathy and Susan
Podcast: Bachelor Happy Hour (iHeartPodcasts & Warner Bros)

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Episode Overview

This episode of “Bachelor Happy Hour – Golden Hour” is a candid, witty, and heartfelt conversation between Kathy and Susan (alums from The Golden Bachelor) about the realities of aging. Dispensing personal anecdotes and sharp wisdom, they tackle the challenges and unexpected joys of growing older, focusing on topics like physical changes, shifting relationships, visibility, and the evolving meaning of legacy. With a dash of signature sass and lots of laughter, Kathy and Susan aim to celebrate aging as more than just a number.

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Main Discussion Points and Insights

1. Processing Change and Facing Physical Realities

• Opening reflections: Both share the rapid passage of time and inevitable physical changes.
  • Notable Moment (04:30): Susan jokes about her ex-husband turning 69, and the swift move to 70.
• Owning physical aging: They humorously discuss discovering new “wrinkles” and aches, but also highlight the importance of staying active.
  • Quote: “I look in the mirror every day and, you know, after 70, I wake up and, oh, that didn’t hurt yesterday. Motion is lotion. So I keep moving.” – Kathy (05:53)

2. The Meaning of Legacy and Passing It On

• Reflection on family and holiday traditions: Kathy shares how aging changes her perspective on legacy—what she'll leave to her children and how family history gains value.
  • (08:10): “[Aging is] imparting to my children the important things that were in my life and my grandparents’ life... Otherwise, if I kicked the bucket tomorrow, my kids would not know.” – Kathy
• Realization about ‘stuff’: As they get older, sentimental value grows but attachment to material goods fades.

3. Evolving Friendships and Social Circles

• Reduced social circles: Both hosts agree that, with age, quality trumps quantity in friendships.
  • “Volumes of friends aren’t as important. Quality friends are important.” – Kathy (10:14)
• Letting go of negative energy: Susan and Kathy both intentionally distance themselves from draining or negative friends.
• Deeper connections: They express gratitude for recent, deeply meaningful friendships, highlighting how these are now the ones they nurture.

4. Shifts in Personality and Perspective

• Personal growth & flexibility: Kathy notes she’s become less rigid with age, finding more contentment and adaptability.
  • (19:31): “I used to be incredibly rigid...Now I want to be happy.”
• Lessons from age: The hosts agree that aging teaches one not to sweat the small stuff, and that cherished relationships and memorable experiences matter most.
  • “I wish that youth is wasted on the young. If I knew then what I know now.” – Susan (20:38)

5. Intergenerational Change: Technology and Social Skills

• Technology’s role: They lament how technology has altered relationships and communication for younger generations.
• Decreased real-life connection: Both perceive that in-person, meaningful conversation is rarer among younger folks.
  • “I see interpersonal relationships not as strong because people are online. It’s a text—it’s not an in-person visit.” – Kathy (22:13)

6. Aging and Visibility: Social and Romantic Impacts

• Feeling invisible: Kathy notes that, especially in dating, older women often feel less visible or valued.
  • “I have to work harder to be seen in a general way in the dating world…” – Kathy (26:21)
• Double standards in dating: Discussion around how, after a certain age, men have more opportunities because younger women seek them out, and there are fewer available men compared to women.
  • “Women go after younger men, but I think men as they age…have had so many more opportunities.” – Kathy (28:16)

7. Choosing an Active and Engaged Life

• Staying active: Activity is seen as vital to maintaining energy and spirit with age, but both admit to making excuses.
• Trying new things: They praise openness to new hobbies and experiences to keep life fulfilling.
  • “Never stop learning. Never stop enjoying life. And I think that’s what aging—that’s why you and I are holding the banner for changing the definition of aging.” – Kathy (38:54)
• Personal responsibility: Kathy challenges the “aging sucks” narrative, insisting much is still within one’s control.
  • “Aging sucks if you let it suck, if you let it take you down—like anything else, it will.” – Kathy (42:14)

8. Changing Priorities: Experiences Over “Stuff”

• Experiential gifts: They increasingly value time and shared experiences with grandchildren and loved ones, prioritizing memory-making over material presents.
  • “I’m much more about experiences now. I am much more about spending…my time. It is quality time with my grandchildren.” – Kathy (46:46)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On physical change & humor:
  “I tried on a dress and in the back I go, I have a Shar Pei. When did that happen?” – Susan (05:20)
• On downsizing and legacy:
  “When you’re younger, you spend years amassing china, silver, linens…now I’m thinking: what do I want my legacy to be?” – Kathy (05:53–08:10)
• On friendship quality:
  “I’m not as interested in having volumes of friends as I am in having deep relationships with fewer people.” – Kathy (12:20)
• On shifting priorities:
  “Do you want to be right, or do you want to be happy? I wanted to be right. Now I want to be happy.” – Kathy (19:31)
• On getting out of one’s comfort zone:
  “You gotta push yourself, you gotta get out.” – Susan (29:53)
• On self-care:
  “We should be investing in ourselves.” – Kathy (38:04)
• On societal double standards:
  “Do you think that golden men are treated differently than golden women?” – Kathy (29:33)
• On making memories:
  “A memory—making a memory, right? So when you’re gone, they’ll think back and go, ‘I remember when we did this.’” – Susan (47:01)
• Signature banter:
  “I’m not letting [aging] take me down. You still think it sucks. It sucks! I forget things. I’m more forgetful…” – Susan (42:14)
  “Aging ain’t all bad.” – Kathy (42:58)

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Key Timestamps

• 03:48 — 05:53: Opening banter, physical changes, the reality of new aches and wrinkles.
• 05:53 — 09:34: Legacy, family history, meaningful traditions, and imparting values to the next generation.
• 09:34 — 13:18: Shifting friendships, letting go of negativity, nurturing deeper connections.
• 19:23 — 21:21: How personality and outlook can change for the better with age.
• 22:13 — 23:54: Reflections on technology and differences with younger generations.
• 24:30 — 27:21: Feeling invisible as one ages, especially in dating; the double standards at play.
• 28:16 — 30:27: The gendered experience of aging, particularly in romance and social opportunities.
• 36:32 — 38:54: Being proactive—trying new things, staying social and fulfilled.
• 42:14 — 43:16: Confronting the “aging sucks” narrative and reasserting agency.
• 46:31 — 47:11: Gifting experiences, making meaningful memories for grandchildren.

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Takeaways and Episode Tone

Kathy and Susan create a relatable, spirited “crash course” on aging, blending playful banter with sentimental wisdom. Their discussion puts a spotlight on the challenges of aging while offering listeners affirming, actionable advice: cherish relationships, invest in self-care, remain curious and open to new experiences, and—above all—don’t let aging define or diminish your zest for life.

The episode ends on a humorous, determined note:

• “I, for one, plan to never age.” – Kathy (48:30)

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Transcript

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[Kathy]

Welcome back to Bachelor Happy hour's golden hour. Thanks so much for joining us today. We are so excited to be back. How are you doing today, Susan?

[Susan]

I'm doing great. I'm a busy bee. You know, I was out blowing leaves again today. There's still some left.

[Kathy]

Christmas is almost here. Susan. You can't be still doing leaves.

[Susan]

I didn't want stragglers around. Cause then in the spring, I get, you know, crazy.

[Kathy]

Can I just tell you the colors that are just starting here?

[Susan]

Really?

[Kathy]

Yeah. In Austin, we don't get much color, but I'll send you a picture. It's really pretty, but I've been trying to get ready for. I can't believe Christmas is a week away.

[Susan]

I can't believe how fast the years are going.

[Kathy]

Okay, I know the years.

[Susan]

My ex husband turned 69 this month. That means I'm right after him in March. I'm like, oh, my God.

[Kathy]

You know what, Susan? 69 turns to 70 so quickly. But just remember what we always say. Aging is just a number. Your birthday is just a number.

[Susan]

It's a birthday full of surprises. All right, so should we get into today? Actually, Kathy, all about aging today.

[Kathy]

I know, it's perfect. What a great segue.

[Susan]

Let's dive in. Okay, the first one is processing change.

What's important at Your age. I think change is the hardest part. The mirror doesn't lie.

[Kathy]

Well, you're talking about physical changes. Yes, yes. Okay.

[Susan]

Remember I called you that day and said, what? When did this happen? My back looked like a Shar Pei. I was trying on a dress in the back. I go, I have a Sharpay. When did that happen?

[Kathy]

So are you saying aging is the most important thing? Your physical aging at your age?

[Susan]

Well, that's what we're talking about, aging.

[Kathy]

Well, there's a lot more to aging than physical change.

[Susan]

Yes, yes, true. But that's the first thing that came to mind. How I feel and how I look and how what I can still do and what I struggled to do physically.

[Kathy]

Okay, so I'm. I'm with you on some of that. I mean, I look in the mirror every day and, you know, after 70, I wake up and, oh, that didn't hurt yesterday. You know, lotion. Motion is lotion. So I keep moving. But you know what? I'm. Especially at holiday time, I've been thinking, and I don't mean to sound morbid, because you know me, I'm not. I'm so happy that I'm alive and I enjoy every day. However, I've been thinking about, as I was putting out things for the holidays, which things, what kind of things I want to pass along. And that's changed for me because when you're younger or, or at least when I was younger, I spent many years collecting, many years building china, silver, amassing, bed linens, you know, all the furniture, all the stuff, it comes down to stuff that we amass and lately, and it's sort of hyper noticeable now because of the holidays. You know, what do I want my legacy to be? What do I want my kids to remember? What things, what holiday traditions, what things in my life are important for me to pass along? And just the other day I was going through some things because Kyle and Candy are taking a piece of furniture that I have because, you know, I don't need all this furniture. And this is part of aging. You start realizing what's really important in life. And so in this secretary that I'm giving them, there's. My grandfather taught Chaucer at Smith College. He was very well known in his time. And I have all this memorabilia that I had to take out of this desk. And so my grandfather's textbook on Jeffrey Chaucer. That was his specialty, teaching Chaucer. And his book with all his annotations are in there. My husband's mug from the ship he served on in the Navy, the USS Canopus, all these things that had so much meaning that if, if I were to die tomorrow, do you think your.

[Susan]

Kids would appreciate them?

[Kathy]

That's what is part of what I'm.

[Susan]

Realizing is aging is now.

[Kathy]

Well, part of what I'm beginning to think that I never thought before is part of aging is imparting to my children the important things that were in my life and my grandparents life. Because otherwise, you know, if I kicked the bucket tomorrow, my kids would not know. These are my grandfather, who was a famous man in his time. I have his Shakespeare books with his annotations, his Chaucer book. Like all these things that I great.

[Susan]

Interest to you is what I'm saying.

[Kathy]

Well, and it may be to my children because it represents family, it represents the passage of time.

[Susan]

So do you want to tell them about it? Do you want to tell them?

[Kathy]

There's no question. I. Absolutely, absolutely. I'm sharing with my kids the Christmas ornaments. Where they came from, which ones had.

[Susan]

Me, I had a couple years ago.

[Kathy]

And I'm. I'm realizing that those things that are. That's a form of change. Yes, we physically change, but part of the change is I won't be here forever. And I said it's not morbid, but I want my kids to have an understanding of the history of our lives, the traditions. And this time of year I'm feeling it quite strongly.

[Susan]

What about you and relationships? Let's talk about that. Friendships that have changed that I go over in my mind, wow, I haven't seen so and so and maybe it was by choice, but friends that we're still friends, but we don't hang out or call each other anymore. And they go back from grade school. You know, I just missed two reunions this, this fall and I was so bummed about it. And I had weddings on both days. However, watching everybody get together and see how things change.

[Kathy]

Well, so there's two things I'm hearing that friendships change, but also that the computer composition, if you will, of the friendships change. But I'm also hearing, I think that volumes of friends aren't as important. They aren't to me. Quality friends are important. I know billion people, right, because we've lived long lives. So we have lots of people that have come in to our lives. You know that old expression.

[Susan]

To be honest with you, Kathy, the way I think changed.

[Kathy]

Tell me more.

[Susan]

I used to think a certain way and I'm still pretty carefree. That's. That's who I am. And I'm A dreamer, and I think all positivity. However, some things I would think more about that aren't as important.

[Kathy]

Are you talking about with your friends or yourself?

[Susan]

With, with life? With everything.

[Kathy]

Yeah. Well, I just, I, I, I agree with that. I think we, that's aging. We become easier. We're not so rigid in most things. Except for you cleaning.

And that's never. You'll be, you'll be from the casket.

[Susan]

My personality will never change.

[Kathy]

But I can change your personality. Well, you can. I've noticed that my friendships. I now choose who I want to spend time with.

[Susan]

Well, that was my point. Yes. I chose not to be negative people. And it took a long time.

[Kathy]

It's not even that. It's just I, there's friends, takers, negativity.

[Susan]

They steal your energy. Like, I can't be around people like that.

[Kathy]

I don't disagree with that, but I'm talking about friends that I genuinely like. I'm putting the positive spin on this, which is, I love these people. We had great times together. But now if I talk to them once a year, like this year, I'm sending out Christmas cards for the first time in probably 10 years, they'll get a Christmas card. But I don't feel the need to engage with every friend on a regular basis. Have certain friends, you and Nancy, which is so interesting because you are two of my newest friends. But I care so deep. Well, that you are. We lived a lot of life before we met each other, but I care deeply about both of you. And we all know secrets and deep thoughts about each other. And those are friendships I nurture because I want them in my life. Now, I'm not as interested in having volumes of friends as. As I am in having deep relationships with fewer people.

[Susan]

Absolutely. I mean, I don't think I was ever interested in having volumes of friends, because you can only I'm not an octopus. I can't do it all, you know, and then you.

[Kathy]

Well, I mean, friends, different levels. Susan, I, I mean.

[Susan]

Well, no, granted, granted, you know, and.

[Kathy]

And so that circle for me has become smaller. And I have friends I golf with. I have friends that I play mahjong with, but I don't see them all the time. I don't call them like I. With you and some of my friends here.

[Susan]

A lot of my friends live out of state now. You know, you have to plan a visit. Like, I want to go see Lori. She has a beach house here. She's here in the summer, and I see her often. But then now she's in Charleston, on the river. We got a boat. When are you coming? This is her. I know.

[Kathy]

But you're bringing me when you do.

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[Kathy]

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[Susan]

July?

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I mean, no, never. Like, I like to shop. Actually, I like to shop on Christmas Eve because I find it to be a little more festive.

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No, after Thanksgiving. Okay, that's different. That's different. Halloween? No, not Halloween.

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[Kathy]

You said you can't change your personality. I disagree with that. Well, I can tell you.

I used to be incredibly rigid. I. I really was. Things had to be done a certain way. I've said this too many times. When Mr. Wright comes into my life, he is going to get the best version of me. Why? Because I've learned from. I've learned my personality is not. I don't have to have things a certain way. My mindset is much more fluid. Okay, that's not going to work. I might be disappointed. I'm over it. Let's move on to the next thing where when I was younger, you know the old expression, do you want to be right or do you want to be happy? I wanted to be right. Now I want to be happy. So. Oh, well, that's not gonna work.

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[Susan]

It doesn't have anything to do with, like, controlling the situation.

[Kathy]

It has to do with aging. I realize what's important for me, it's just not important.

So much of what as a younger person, I obsessed about, dwelled on. You know what? It's just not that important. And I wish, you know, I've always said to you, I wish that youth is wasted on the young.

[Susan]

If I knew then what I know now.

[Kathy]

And so I think that's one of the joys of getting older. I think when I look back at my grandparents, for example, we used to do fun things like cook and bake and work in her garden. She taught me. My grandmother taught me all about daffodils. My other grandmother taught me how to crochet and knit. I was like, now I realize that, you know, the quality time spent with people is far.

[Susan]

And how about how things change too? Like being on my nana's apron string making homemade spaghetti's and the dough and the flour and all that. You wouldn't find somebody doing that today. Unless you're in Italy, of course. You know, I don't know, I.

[Kathy]

My grandmother, I put aprons on her, we bake. My point is, I think as we get older, we learn that the relationships with our family, our children, our good friends, that's what sustains us. Not wasting time on superfluous things that just don't matter. At least for me, that's what I have found.

[Susan]

And watching the young people now and what they do or don't do, and compared to what we did and didn't do, what?

[Kathy]

Well, but the world's a different place, Susan. The technology, we've talked about this AI technology, cell phones, everything, everything is at your fingertips. You don't have to work as hard. And in fact, I think as I age, I see interpersonal relationships not as strong because people are online. It's a text, it's not an in person visit.

[Susan]

Not real life.

[Kathy]

Well, it's real life.

[Susan]

Well, it is, but getting out in the world, like I noticed people can't hold great conversations because they're tied up with their phones. Or.

Especially young people, they don't know how to have a conversation.

[Kathy]

But you know what? You know what?

[Susan]

But you can text one or email something.

[Kathy]

This is like people. You realize we're getting to the age now, Susan, where when people were like, why would I buy that car, you know, with the Edsel? Why would I do that? I got a horse and buggy and it gets me there just fine. It's called progress. It's called evolution and jump on board the hardcore. Okay, what about, what about I'm a few years older than you and we touched on this. What about changes to your body? And I'm not talking about the saggy Shar Pei back necessarily.

[Susan]

Why not? That's the part. I never had that in my life.

[Kathy]

Well, I'm talking like, do you wake up with aches and pains in your back, your knees?

[Susan]

Some days.

[Kathy]

Some days I have arthritis in my fingers. I used to love, Susan. I used to love. I have a jewelry box full of rings, as everyone knows. I do love myself some jewelry here, but I used to love rings and I wore them all the time. I still have rings, silver rings that I wore in high school. But now my hands aren't as pretty as they used to be because they're arthritic. But you know what? It's all about the way you choose to look at it. I am grateful these hands work. I can needlepoint, I can play sports. They're not pretty to look at. And that's another benefit of aging does.

[Susan]

You can't button something. You can't do those little tasks that open the jewelry.

[Kathy]

I'm always doing that, but I remember. Yes, all those are true.

[Susan]

But you can you have that fixed? You can't have it fixed, can you?

[Kathy]

No. I mean, you can have artificial joints put in. But, you know, I try to hide my hands now because I don't think my hands and the way they look reflect my energy, my personality.

[Susan]

And who like. Well, one good thing I will say I love having my senior discount.

Oh, Susan, of course we're all going to the movies. Lottie and my cousin, we're to going.

[Kathy]

And we're getting cheap.

[Susan]

We're going to see Wicked the second half. And Lottie goes, I got our senior discount.

[Kathy]

Have you seen the new movie I hate you? I haven't seen it yet.

[Susan]

All right, it's gonna be next Saturday.

[Kathy]

All right, here's a question. This is a serious one, though. Yeah, we all talk, not just you and me. I think most people our age talk about being seen, being visible. When did you first notice the world's started treating you differently due to your age?

[Susan]

I haven't. I think some people might think to be more polite because if not, I'll holler at them. I still do that. Like at the Wawa, when you don't hold the door open for an elderly person. Not me, the older person that was coming in. And I'm like, that's rude. But I don't feel like I'm being treated different because I guess of my personality, I'm alive, I'm outspoken, you know, I didn't get that.

[Kathy]

I think. I think it's a continuum. I think it's a spectrum. I think you're right. You and I are out there. We have fun. We say our mind. We. We. We're energetic.

[Gift Giver/Host]

We're.

[Kathy]

We get out and do physical things. So I think it's a little bit. It's going to happen a little later for us. But I've noticed.

Particularly I would say in the dating world, I'm a little bit more invisible now than I was.

[Susan]

In the dating world.

[Kathy]

Well, that's because we know what it is as we Age, that's one of the things.

[Susan]

It's the number. Once again, that number. When you're like, for instance, on a dating app, if you put that number down, nobody's gonna look for the top number. They're gonna look for the bottom number.

[Kathy]

Well, that's right.

[Susan]

But if they knew us, it would be a totally different story.

[Kathy]

Right. But I do think. I do feel. I know Kathy and invisible is an oxymoron. I just, you know, that's not happening. But I do feel that.

I have to work harder. Let me say this. I have to work harder to be seen in a general way in the dating world professionally. You know, I'm retired.

[Susan]

Work harder how? Like, what could you possibly. You mean on a date? Dating app or in life?

[Gift Giver/Host]

Both.

[Kathy]

Although I'm not on dating apps right now.

[Susan]

Okay, so why. How would you work harder in walking around life?

[Kathy]

Oh, I can't. I want to bookmark dating apps because I'm coming right back to that. So put your finger on your nose. In life, I'm saying as I. As I've aged, I have to work a little bit harder. I'm going to go out and kayak. I'm. Those kinds of things, of physical changes to be seen. It's a little more difficult. I'm not going to go hang out at a bar like I would have when I. Well, that. That's aging it. If I were younger, it would feel more appropriate. More I. My. I feel that the. The. The window closes a little bit about things that you can reasonably do.

[Susan]

And for instance, I used. I like to dance, as. You know, and for me to go dancing, it's impossible. There's nothing for people. I look like, you know.

[Kathy]

Right.

[Susan]

An old head coming into a.

[Kathy]

Well, that's. That's what I'm saying. As we age, our opportunities look a little bit different. Some.

[Susan]

That part.

[Kathy]

Well, so do I.

[Susan]

A nightclub for seniors, you know.

[Kathy]

Oh, God, that sounds horrible.

[Susan]

Dance club.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Susan]

I always wanted to do that.

[Kathy]

Naples.

We'Re going. Susan, we're going. Okay, but I want to get into this because you and I on Golden Bachelor won me on Paradise. Many of the young ones have coupled up. That's clear. They found people. They're there together. But I feel. I don't feel it's clear and obvious that the golden men.

Have had. If we're just talking dating, they've had so many more opportunities. And why is that? I'm going to go with the simplest reason is women. Women get into men's dms because women are younger. Men go after younger women but I think feel like men as they, they.

[Susan]

Don'T know what a DM is.

[Kathy]

They don't and they don't. So in dating I think plus there's more single women at after a certain age so you know the odds are against us. But I think men work longer. You see men, how many of the women were retired in our season and how many of the men were retired? Of course they were younger, but a.

[Susan]

Lot of those men can't even count that because they're younger. Well, but they're in my 50s, late 50s, early 60s. Yeah, everybody's still career.

[Kathy]

So do you think I'm still working, do you think other than dating because of the ease of technology of women sliding into men's dms? Other than that, do you think that golden men are treated differently than golden women.

[Susan]

As far as dating or as far.

[Kathy]

As just in general?

[Susan]

Just golden men are treated different, are looked at differently.

[Kathy]

Are treated, are they treated differently?

[Susan]

It depends on how they're carrying themselves.

[Kathy]

And that is the point I think that I think I don't be old.

[Susan]

Really quick and put the moo moo on and lay on the couch in the afternoon and take a nap and cook and have the kids over once in a while. Never go out and enjoy life. You gotta push yourself, you gotta get out.

[Kathy]

Well and so I don't know, I, I'm, I'm gonna take the, I'm gonna take the old Susan approach and say both because I think golden men that let themselves go, you know me, I call them the used to guys. They used to play tennis, they used to swim, they used to ride bicycles and now they sit on the sofa drinking be. But women do it too.

[Gift Giver/Host]

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[Gift Giver/Host]

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[Susan]

July?

[Holiday Shopper/Co-Host]

I mean, no, never. Like I. I like to shop. Actually I like to shop on Christmas Eve because I find it to be a little more festive.

[Gift Giver/Host]

But you like start decorating right after Halloween?

[Holiday Shopper/Co-Host]

No, after Thanksgiving. Okay, that's different. That's different. Halloween? No, not Halloween.

[Gift Giver/Host]

You know, I consider myself to be a pretty good gift giver. I've got my list and I've checked.

[Holiday Shopper/Co-Host]

It twice, probably three times. She takes the holidays very seriously.

[Gift Giver/Host]

I can't help it. You know, I love finding the perfect gifts for everyone. And Walmart has all the top brands. Nespresso, Sonos, Nintendo.

[Holiday Shopper/Co-Host]

Nintendo at Walmart. Who knew?

[Gift Giver/Host]

I know. And more. All of your shopping in one place.

[Holiday Shopper/Co-Host]

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[Gift Giver/Host]

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[Kathy]

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[Susan]

A lot of things that I used to be able to do that I can't. I don't feel safe like downhill skiing. I'll never get on skis again.

[Kathy]

Oh, I will.

[Susan]

My bones break. Too bad.

[Kathy]

Well, can I just.

[Susan]

Because wait. Can we kept up with it?

[Kathy]

Can we know? I have not skied in three years.

[Susan]

Here's the three years, Kath. We're talking three years.

[Kathy]

Well, that's a lot. Here's the difference. Where before I would go down double black diamonds, I never did moguls and go down easy.

[Susan]

That is a double black diamond. A mogul. They're on.

[Kathy]

No, no, no, no.

[Susan]

They're also on diamonds.

[Kathy]

They're on blues too. But I'm saying to you, I.

That is a choice, right? I'm not stupid. I'll go out and ski, but I'll stick to blues and maybe some double blues inter, you know, advanced intermediate. But that's my point is get. Aging is not just a figment of our imaginations. There are physical changes. There are mental changes. Like I can't remember. I can't remember yesterday's news. But I think the important thing is, and I think you and I do such a good job of working to be the best version of ourselves at the stage of life we're in. And I wish that more people would work hard to be the best version.

[Susan]

Of themselves instead of letting themselves go and feeling depressed or invisible. You know that word that came out?

[Kathy]

Right. And that's where I was going. I think sometimes we are our own worst enemies. We let ourselves go harvest on ourselves.

[Holiday Shopper/Co-Host]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

And we wonder why we're invisible. Well, you're invisible because you've given up on yourself. And I. I really wish that people would invest as we age. You don't have to invest in your children as much. You don't have to invest in a career. But we should be investing in ourselves.

[Susan]

But it's hard sometimes, especially when you don't have a lot of friends or people to go do something with to encourage you. Whether it's go to the gym or. I just found out there was a. You go and you pay $75 and you'll have a cheese board or whatever, and you pick out your grapes and they will make the wine for you. Go back I think a year later, or whatever it is to pick up your bottle of wine, but it was something that I would enjoy. You're tasting wine, you're tasting grapes, you're learning about wine.

[Kathy]

You know what you're saying, Susan? You're saying. I was just gonna say, you're saying right there. Never stop learning. Never stop enjoying life. And I think that's what aging. That's why you and I are holding the banner for changing the definition of aging, because.

[Susan]

Getting somebody to go do it with you, well, people were not going to go do that on their own. You know what I'm saying? It'll be more fun to have a girlfriend with you or a guy.

[Kathy]

And I think as we age, sometimes, you know, I've noticed, you know, most of my friends are a lot younger than I am because the people that are my age are used to people. But I think that engaging and doing this, being a part of something and trying new things. I think sometimes we are our own worst enemies because we say, oh, I know. My sister will say, occasionally, I'm old. And I jump down her throat every time she says, wait a minute, Kathy.

[Susan]

It's funny you're saying that because when you came back this year, you said, wow, I saw so many changes in my sister. I did. Just this year, it was.

[Kathy]

And you know what? She's 11 months older than I am. And I see her. She gets angry when I say it, but I, you know, she's happy and good for her. Everyone has to do what makes them happy. But I think, I guess what I'm saying is you can't have it both ways. You can't say aging sucks if you allow yourself to age. There's enough things we can't control, right? We can't control our boobs, hang into our knees unless you have a, you know, a breast lift. We can't. We can do physically. We can change ourselves. We can't help it. If I can't help the arthritis, right? I can't help it. That's what it is. But I can sure as heck make sure I'm getting out, being as active and meeting new people and doing things.

[Susan]

And that's what keeps you young. Other people don't have that. They never did that. That wasn't their thing thing. So for you to tell them to do that, and that keeps them.

Better, healthier, active. They're not active people. Do you know what I'm saying? So they're never going to grasp that at this point.

[Kathy]

I disagree. I think we always have Personal choice, I think. You know, people were talking. A friend of mine was talking.

The other day about, you know, it's coming to the end of the year and, oh, here we go with New Year's resolutions, which I never make because. And she was saying, so many people say at this time of the year.

[Susan]

I'm gonna forget it.

[Kathy]

I'm gonna go to the gym in the new year. I'm gonna eat this pound of cookies and fudge now.

[Susan]

But I'm gonna die at midnight.

[Kathy]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. But you know what? Everyone can change, including you and me, by the way. We can make a decision right now to change, to have a more positive outlook, to take up a new hobby, to get out and meet people.

[Susan]

I'd like to play more golf.

[Kathy]

Yeah, well, you and I need to move closer together. So we. Because you and I are about the same level of golf. But do you know what I'm saying? It's up to us. So I, I'm beginning to bristle, I guess is where I'm going with this. At people saying aging sucks. Aging sucks. If you let it suck, if you let it take you down like anything else, it will.

[Susan]

I, I'm not letting it take me down. You still think it sucks. It sucks. I forget things. I'm more forgetful. I'm not as quick as I used to be. I'm a big time multitasker.

[Kathy]

Look at them. Yes, but look at the knowledge we have. Look at the things we don't have to worry about anymore. I mean, raising children. We don't have to worry about retirement.

[Susan]

We still worry about them, though.

[Kathy]

No, but they're not our responsibility. We talked about that earlier. We don't have to worry if we're going to have a roof over our head next year.

[Gift Giver/Host]

We.

[Kathy]

We don't have to worry if we're going to get fired from our jobs. We have the grace of.

[Susan]

Well, that's huge.

[Kathy]

So I guess what I'm saying is aging ain't all bad.

[Susan]

It ain't that great either.

[Kathy]

Listen to you Ms. Negativity.

[Susan]

And I'm not, you know me, I'm Ms. Positivity. But aging, I'm. I'm fighting it every step of the way. I'm not throwing in the towel by any sort.

[Kathy]

I'm not eating.

[Susan]

It is not fun. It takes a little bit of fun out.

[Kathy]

Well, I. But you know what? Life isn't all about fun either.

[Susan]

I don't swim in that ocean to. The lifeguard would blow now. I think there's sharks out there. I Still go out, but not quite as sharks.

[Kathy]

I can't believe you just.

[Susan]

The risks aren't as. As much.

[Kathy]

Okay, but real quickly. Wait a second. Real quickly. Do you. That's so funny you said that. I was thinking the other night, walking down the street, going into New York City walk when I was younger, whatever. Now it's like when I go to the grocery store, you know, I walk with. I walk with. And I'm powerful. Don't. You know, like, I worry a little bit more about. Yeah, I might fall or somebody might come and, you know, I don't think.

[Susan]

I could run again. Like, I was like so bad there for a while. Like, oh, my God, if I had to run. And now, you know, I moved myself around a little bit. I started exercising a little bit.

[Kathy]

Yeah. Well, by the way, Susan, in the New year, your New Year's resolution, that starts today, before the New year. Get moving.

[Susan]

I don't stop. But that's not exercise, weight bearing. And for me, Kathy and I, you'll probably say that's an excuse. And everybody listening. Do you make excuses like I do because I can't find the time, My schedule every day. And people have said to me, quite a few actually, you know, now that you don't have as much going on, you're not in the salon full time, like, what do you do with yourself every day? And I'm always crazy business.

[Kathy]

Can I tell you? I'm going to tell the world what Susan does. First of all, she blows leaves every day of the year. That's number one. Number two, she's cleaning the floor that she cleaned 10 minutes ago. And the third thing she does that irritates the tar out of me.

[Susan]

What?

[Kathy]

When we're talking on the phone, Susan is shopping on the Internet. I can hear the click of her fingers.

[Susan]

And I know I'm looking for Christmas presents right now.

[Kathy]

No, no, no. Yeah, that's her excuse.

[Susan]

That's something I want to change. Stop overspending for Christmas.

[Kathy]

You know what?

[Susan]

Cut up your.

[Kathy]

Press me. Cut up your credit card.

[Susan]

Can we talk about that for a minute? How many people out there go into freaking debt because of how I used to be? Like, I was the mom that would wrap. Like, if I bought the boys a sweatsuit, well, the top would go in one box and the bottom in the other. They would have piles to the sky, so it looked like a whole lot. And that never left me. Now, I started with my grandchildren. I'm like, whoa, things are expensive.

[Kathy]

I'm going to chalk this up to aging and you're going to. I'm not trying to be a jerk here. I've realized all that stuff is not important. I mean, I bought my grandchildren gifts and I asked their parents, you know, what they would like to have. But I'm much more about experiences now. I am much more about spending. I don't think she knows, but I'm taking with my daughter in law, my granddaughter. It made me cry to the nutcracker because I did that with my grandmother was. And I took my children and now I'm getting to take my granddaughter. Is that going to be one of her Christmas Is that going to be one of her Christmas presents? I don't care.

[Susan]

They don't even remember.

[Kathy]

I know.

[Susan]

Bella. I'm taking the Paris this year, as you know.

[Kathy]

So that's. You know what that.

[Susan]

Teenagers, they're trendy. Mimi, can I get this? Can I. Mostly clothes, cologne, you know, a little necklace.

[Kathy]

I know they got parents for that. I'm saying as I age, this whole thing has been about aging. My thing is not that buying stuff for my time. It's time. It is quality time with my grandchildren.

[Susan]

A memory making a memory, right? So when you're gone, they'll think back and go, I remember when we did this.

[Kathy]

Right. And. And that's part of aging too. That's another benefit.

[Susan]

You again for me side of aging. Today we did the bad side. That's another podcast. Maybe we'll touch on the good side.

[Kathy]

Getting out and getting physical activity, activity. Trying up new hobbies like people when.

[Susan]

I go to Texas. You don't understand. You're gonna walk today. I gonna walk today and don't I Cap? Yeah, well, she's always impressed. Except she had me talking. Going uphill on the way home.

[Kathy]

Stop complaining.

[Susan]

You guys try to talk and you know, Ms. Questionnaire over here, that's all she does is ask questions. So you, you're constantly answering a question. So you're talking. I couldn't breathe. And she goes, you want to go further?

[Kathy]

Do you know why I ask questions? Because if you're asking questions, you're curious, you're learning. And that's how you stem the aging process.

[Susan]

Cut me a break. One day, just don't ask any questions. Just shoot the.

Oh, my goodness. We could just go on forever.

[Kathy]

But we can't because Christmas is coming. I have to go bake.

[Susan]

Oh, she's gonna bake again. You better make me that eggnog bread.

[Kathy]

All right, I'll send you.

[Susan]

All right. With that said, that does it for today's. Episode. I hope you guys enjoyed it and send us a note. Send us a topic and trust me, we'll cover it. That's the end of today's Bachelor Happy Hours Golden Hour.

[Kathy]

Thank you all for joining us and be sure to follow Bachelor Happy Hour as we have new episodes coming out every week that you don't want to miss. We're going to do more on aging because I for one plan to never age.

[Susan]

She's never going to live to 100. I'll be long gone. Good. I go first. I won't have to cry. Make sure you keep submitting your questions or your comments to us. And you know what to do. Go to bachelornation.com goldenhour or you can hit us up on social at Bachelor Happy Hour.

[Kathy]

Listen to Bachelor Happy Hours golden hour on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you listen to your podcasts. Until next time, have a great week.

[Romance Story Narrator]

Chapter 10 Ronan's eyes widened as the moon enveloped their secret sanctuary. Go, he warned. I'm losing control. Luna defiantly stepped forward, tracing the scar across his jaw. Then lose it, she whispered. She was ready. She has Nexus.

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[Holiday Shopper/Co-Host]

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[Gift Giver/Host]

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[Holiday Shopper/Co-Host]

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[Susan]

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