Kay Brown on Dating, Child-Free Life, and ‘Golden Bachelor’ | Golden Hour

Summary

Bachelor Happy Hour: Golden Hour

Episode Title: Kay Brown on Dating, Child-Free Life, and ‘Golden Bachelor’

Date: October 29, 2025
Hosts: Susan and Kathy (Golden Bachelor alums)
Guest: Kay Brown

Episode Overview

This lively Golden Hour episode brings podcast host and pop culture commentator Kay Brown into a fun, honest conversation with Susan and Kathy. Together, they delve into Kay's personal life updates, her recent health journey, navigating dating while child-free, and all things Golden Bachelor—particularly impressions of Mel, predictions, and behind-the-scenes chat about Bachelor Nation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Kay’s Podcast and Life Update

• Why Kay's Podcast Paused:
  • Kay shares the update on her podcast with Jared Freid, citing his career commitments and their resulting pause.
  • "Jared is obviously amazing.... He's touring all the time.... So we're taking the podcast right now and figuring out what we want to do with it because obviously I still want to host something." (Kay, 04:44)
  • Jared's return is "TBD," but Kay will keep recapping the Bachelorverse.

2. Kay’s Health Journey and Child-Free Choice

• Hysterectomy and Feelings:
  • Kay opens up about her recent hysterectomy after years of illness (endometriosis, adenomyosis, fibroids).
  • She reflects on newfound health and vitality:
    • "I feel like a brand new iPhone 17." (Kay, 07:58)
    • "I didn't realize how sick I was until I had that done... I was like, whoa, this is how people have been living." (Kay, 08:06)
• Dating After Hysterectomy:
  • Being upfront about not wanting and not being able to have children, and how men react:
    • "A lot of men want children. And it's something that I personally can't give. So it's like a tough conversation also to have at the beginning." (Kay, 08:42)
    • "I never wanted kids. This was an easy decision for my health." (Kay, 07:37)
• Kay is open to dating men with children, though it's "not ideal." (09:46)

3. Travel & UK Adventures

• Kay recaps her recent vacation to London and the Cotswolds, sharing a funny "travel tummy" story about digestion woes abroad (11:42).
• Charming side detour: hosts and Kay bond over travel habits and food abroad.
• Humorous moment:
  • "It's either I cannot go or I literally cannot get off the toilet. One or the other." (Susan, 12:01)

4. Thoughts on ‘Golden Bachelor’ Season 2 & Mel

• First Impressions of Mel:
  • Kay describes Mel as "super attractive," but "maybe a little too ready," with an air of being "too polished." (Kay, 13:15)
  • Met Mel at a football game; found him "super charming" but questions depth and openness on the show. (Kay, 13:51)
• Hosts' Impressions:
  • Kathy: "He looked amazing... but when I looked in his eyes, it wasn't like he was a ghost, but I don't think the confidence was there. He was uncomfortable." (Kathy, 15:01)
  • "He holds back a lot [on the show]." (Kathy, 15:32)

5. Predictions & Analysis—Favorite Contestants and Finalists

• Kay’s Top Picks:
  • From early on, Kay predicts Peg, Debbie, and Cindy as top three, with Cindy as her pick to "take it." (22:12)
  • Thinks Debbie might be best suited as next Golden Bachelorette:
    • "Debbie's the bachelorette. You two are cohosting. No shade to Jesse." (Kay, 23:04)
• Breakdown of Finalists:
  • Cindy: “There was just something about her that felt like... this is gonna go in that direction. They felt like a good match from the jump.” (Kay, 23:27)
  • Peg: “Not expecting Peg to make it as far as she did... after her one-on-one, I thought, okay.” (Kay, 23:51)
  • Jerry: Surprised Jerry left—felt there was chemistry: "They had a connection... Even the way he would kiss her and how they would like, touch each other..." (Kay, 24:54)
• Nicole:
  • Kay critiques Nicole openly talking about social media and wanting to date "America" (26:16), calling out her lack of Bachelor savvy.
  • Memorable quote: “My wife's names out of your mouth.” (Kay, 26:35, on Nicole bashing the previous cast)
  • Hosts and Kay agree that Nicole's "America's cookbook" plan was odd and seemed off-mission.

6. Hometown Dates and Families

• Favorite Hometowns:
  • Kay loved Cindy's and Peg's hometowns.
  • "I just liked Cindy and Mel. I liked Cindy's daughters." (Kay, 28:47)
  • Peg’s daughter Dakota’s protective "hard ass" vibe was memorable:
    • "She's like, I'm not falling for anything." (Kay, 29:42)
  • Discussion about how daughters/family reflect the personality and authenticity of the contestants.
• Debbie's Story:
  • Kay and Susan reflect on the value of Debbie's narrative as someone who has never been married—an underrepresented story in dating shows.
    • "I think that should be told more. And I think it's just not a story we get to hear a lot, especially on these dating shows." (Kay, 30:32)

7. Will Mel Choose Anyone? Debating the Ending

• Is Mel Ready for Love?
  • Susan and Kathy debate whether Mel is honest/ready enough to commit—"He’s been very clear that he’s unclear about what he’s looking for.” (Susan, 33:12)
  • Kay’s take:
    • “That’s a great hot take and would be an interesting ending... I do think it’s going to be Cindy. But because he does keep mentioning fun, there is a chance he could choose Peg." (Kay, 33:22)
  • Hosts point out Mel’s constant toasts "to fun and adventure," suggesting Peg might have an edge (34:00).
• What if Mel Chooses No One?
  • "I think that's better than choosing someone and having the fate of Gary." (Kay, 41:53)
  • Lively debate about whether it's better to choose no one than have an on-screen breakup.

8. Golden Paradise and Future Bachelor Nation Hopes

• Kay dishes fun predictions for who could go on Golden Paradise 2.0—Nicole, Monica B., Peg if she's not picked.
  • "When you go to paradise, you're either going for a redemption story or to ruin your reputation. It's one or the other." (Kay, 43:22)
• Hosts lament not enough men on the show and agree with Kay that friendship and fun is the real prize.
  • "When I'm 65... I will be so set in my life... what's the point [of marriage]?" (Kay, 44:48)

9. Behind the Scenes: Golden Alum Visits & Advice

• Hosts returning to the mansion:
  • Kay asks if Susan and Kathy had input on their guest spot:
    • "We were on the phone and Susan said, oh, let's bring vibrators. I said, absolutely not. And then we walked in with vibrators." (Kathy, 48:33)
  • Loved the experience connecting with new contestants, especially giving advice and building camaraderie.
  • Fun behind-the-scenes banter about pajamas, hosting duties, and contestant dynamics.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Absolutely no notes. Loved. I mean, absolutely no strategy, but 100% vibes." (Kay, 03:49, about Susan on tv)
• "I feel like a brand new iPhone 17." (Kay, 07:58)
• "A lot of men want children. And, and it's something that I personally can't give. So it's like a tough conversation also to have at the beginning." (Kay, 08:42)
• "I don't understand. I mean, listen, we have. I have 38 year olds on their dating profile saying that they're figuring out their dating goals, which is sending me sad viral." (Kay, 09:09)
• “He looked amazing... but when I looked in his eyes, it wasn’t like he was a ghost, but I don’t think the confidence was there. He was uncomfortable.” (Kathy, 15:01)
• "I do think it's going to be Cindy. But because he does keep mentioning fun, there is a chance he could choose Peg." (Kay, 33:22)
• “When you go to paradise, you're either going for a redemption story or to ruin your reputation. It's one or the other.” (Kay, 43:22)
• “When I'm 65... I will be so set in my life... what's the point [of marriage]?” (Kay, 44:48)
• "We were on the phone and Susan said, oh, let's bring vibrators. I said, absolutely not. And then we walked in with vibrators." (Kathy, 48:33)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:49 – Kay’s Bachelor Superfan Moment & Hosts’ TV Memories
• 04:44 – Kay on Taking a Pause from her Podcast
• 07:08 – Kay’s Health: Hysterectomy, Child-Free Dating
• 11:42 – Travel Stories: Kay in London
• 13:01 – First Impressions of Mel from Golden Bachelor
• 22:12 – Predictions: Kay’s Top Three Picks
• 26:16 – Kay on Nicole’s Social Media Focus
• 28:47 – Hometowns Breakdown (Cindy and Peg)
• 33:22 – Who Will Mel Choose? Kay & Hosts Debate
• 41:53 – Is It Better to Choose No One?
• 43:22 – Future Golden Paradise Casting and Franchise Thoughts
• 48:33 – Behind the Scenes: Alum Return and Advice
• 51:39 – Kay’s Sign Off and Thank You

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Tone & Atmosphere

The episode is lighthearted, candid, peppered with Bachelor franchise in-jokes, personal asides, and a sense of camaraderie. Kay keeps things both real and humorous, while Susan and Kathy mix empathy (around real issues like health and aging) with playful banter and self-deprecation.

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Summary for the Uninitiated

This is an engaging, honest episode perfect for those who love deep Bachelor Nation cuts as well as real talk about modern life and dating. Kay Brown offers genuine insight into health and lifestyle choices, dating in your late 30s, and the realities of being openly child-free. There's plenty of inside scoop—on Mel’s vibe, behind the scenes moments, and franchise alumni predictions—delivered with the distinct warmth, humor, and sisterhood of Susan and Kathy.

If you want thoughtful analysis, laughs, and an inside look at the Golden Bachelor franchise, this episode is for you.

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[Susan]

Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hours Golden Hour. Thanks for joining us. We are so excited to be back today. Hey, Susan. Hey.

[Kathy]

Always excited to be back and today wait till you guys see who we have. We have a very special guest. K. Brown is here with us today. Hi, Kay. Welcome to Golden Hour, you guys.

[Kay]

I've been waiting for this moment. I'm not lying. They asked me to come on. I think it was a week ago and I was out of town. I was like, we have to make this work. I have to see them. I know we've done podcasts before, but I'm your guys biggest fan. Susan watched you on Gotta Get Out. Absolutely no notes. Loved. I mean, absolutely no strategy, but 100% vibes. Kathy, you were my favorite on Paradise. I thought you should have taken the 500,000. So I am here as a fan and maybe a redo.

[Susan]

Maybe a redo.

[Kay]

K, we'll do a redo.

[Susan]

Maybe I'll think about it. Okay. We have so much K that we want to dive in, so let's get started. Want to know what you've been up to lately? Catch us up. The first question I have, other than what else you've been doing recently, is I have to ask first off.

[Kay]

Yeah.

[Susan]

What's the deal with Jared Freed and you killing the podcast? Tell us. I want the scoop. What's the scoop?

[Kay]

You're gonna make me cry out on this podcast. No. So we actually. So Jared is obviously amazing. He was on the season of Golden Bachelor, which was. Yeah, honest. I was watching it like, I was watching like the presidential. Like it was, it was amazing watching him on the show. But we. He's become obviously huge. He has the U up podcast. He has his Netflix special. He's touring all the time. He has his own podcast. It kind of just became so much to balance everything. He also moved to Florida, so he's balancing back and forth and it just kind of wasn't. It was too much for him. And then. So we're taking the podcast right now and Figuring out what we want to do with it because obviously I still want to host something. I love talking about the Bachelor. We're going to try to figure out how we're going to come back for the next season of the Bachelorette, which is.

[Susan]

Oh, so there's hope, you guys. Wait. So there's hope you guys will be back.

[Kay]

There's hope that I will be back. Jared, tbd. I'm not sure what his plans are, but I am definitely sticking around. And. And I've been recapping my own.

[Susan]

We know. We listen.

[Kathy]

You know, you could bring your information to ours anytime you want. We love a third party.

[Kay]

Seriously, I love. I love watching the two of you and especially seeing you on this season. It was one of my favorite episodes. You're seeing bringing the vibrators. I was like, this is cinema.

[Susan]

There was so much. There was so much.

[Kathy]

It was the best.

[Susan]

Well, before we walked into the. The mansion, I tripped and fell in the bushes. I mean, it was a whole thing.

[Kathy]

I kept screaming, video this. Get this on camera. You have to know my girlfriend, okay? As smart as she is, that's how clumsy she is. We have all these gifts in our hand. And that one. One of our producers are going back up a little. Kathy. Back up a little for the shot. They wanted to take a picture. Balls over this little.

[Susan]

Enough, enough, enough about Kathy. So moving right along. Kay, I want to know what you've been up to. Talk to me about your life, because me falling into bushes is not that noteworthy. What's going on with you?

[Kay]

Dating too, right? So the dating situation is interesting. I'm approaching 37 and I am still single, which is fine. Not worried about it. Not worried about it. But I've had kind of a crazy year. I obviously been dating, etc, but I had a hysterectomy at the beginning of the year. I was.

[Susan]

How's that?

[Kay]

It was rough. I mean, it was very sick for like three years. But I. It changed everything. I had like endometriosis, adenomyosis. I had fibroids in my uterus. So it's actually changed my whole life. But it also has changed dating a lot because I necessarily don't. I never wanted kids. And so this was an easy decision for my health. And I was like, you know what? I feel very fortunate to already know that. And I feel comfortable with that outcome. And I know a lot of women are struggling with that and that's not something that they want. They want to be able to carry their child. So I am feel very lucky about that, but I just. My body, the menopause part, well, I have it. So I kept my ovaries. Okay, I'm giving you guys a full blown, like, yeah, we want it.

[Kathy]

We want.

[Susan]

But you're feeling healthy now, right?

[Kay]

I feel like a brand new iPhone 17 like the box and it looks.

[Kathy]

Like a picture of. A picture of health.

[Susan]

Look at her.

[Kay]

I didn't, I didn't realize how sick I was until I had that done and I came out. I was like, whoa, this is how people have been living.

[Kathy]

This is normal. Right?

[Susan]

You know, such a good point because you had lived. I, I don't know personally, but I know a lot of people had your similar struggle and have your struggle and it seems like when you resolve it one way or the other, it's like, oh my God, this is what life could be.

[Kay]

It's a whole new world. It's a whole new world. But it does bring up a different topic with dating. And so do you mean the effect.

[Susan]

Of not being able to carry children? Yeah.

[Kay]

And a lot of men want children.

[Susan]

Hey, I've got three. How many you want?

[Kay]

I know a lot of men want children. And, and it's something that I personally can't give. So it's like a tough conversation also to have at the beginning.

[Susan]

But do you want kids?

[Kathy]

She said she didn't, but there you go. What age men are you dating?

[Kay]

A whole scale.

[Kathy]

I think like 40, 45. 45 year olds still want children. That's a little.

[Kay]

I don't understand. I mean, listen, we have. I have 38 year olds on their dating profile saying that they're figuring out their dating goals, which is sending me sad viral. What do you mean? How do you not know anything about what you want at this point in your life? Because I have like a whole.

[Susan]

If you get some late 60 year olds, could you send them my way? Because you know, they're going to take the youngest ones I can get.

[Kay]

Listen, I was ready to go on the Golden Bachelor.

[Susan]

I do not mind being sloppy seconds.

[Kathy]

All right. I have a question for you.

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[Kathy]

What if the man has children? Are you opposed to helping someone raise their own kids or is that a no?

[Kay]

I mean, it's definitely not out of the question. It's. I don't think it's my, like, ideal, but if I meet somebody and that and I want to spend my life with them, I feel like that's a compromise, you know?

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Kay]

But I don't. I'm not ruling it out.

[Kathy]

Not seems like a good catch. Kathy.

[Kay]

Yeah.

[Susan]

You know, there's a lot of us out there.

[Kay]

Introduce me if you know anybody.

[Susan]

Excuse me.

[Kathy]

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[Susan]

The line forms behind me, you know, bracket.

[Kathy]

So tell me, you went to the uk?

[Susan]

Yeah. Where?

[Kay]

I did.

[Susan]

I lived in the. I lived in Scotland. So where were you in the uk?

[Kay]

I went to London and then I spent a few days before in the Cotswolds at Soho Farmhouse.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Kay]

And a. That was the most expensive, like two nights that I've ever spent. And then London. I love London. I would love to live there.

[Susan]

I would too.

[Kathy]

Never. The food. I can't handle the food in London.

[Kay]

No beans on toast.

[Susan]

Go to Scotland and get some haggis. So my niece lives in. In London. Just bought her first house. She's engaged to a Brit. And I mean, I love London. I also could live there. I don't care if it rains.

[Kay]

I don't care either. I can do. I can deal with the. The weather, all of it.

[Kathy]

Until you live there and you're looking for a sunny day, you will miss it.

[Kay]

You know, it is tough living here in LA and going and kind of gloomy and I don't care. But then I come back, I'm like, wow, this is kind of nice. Yes, it is.

[Susan]

So what were you doing there? Was it just purely vacation?

[Kay]

Yeah, just for fun. I had a fling there like a year and a half ago. I was like seeing this guy. We were traveling back and forth.

[Kathy]

I know, cool.

[Kay]

And obviously it didn't work out, but it was really fun. And so him and I just met up for. For a Guinness. A pint, if you will.

[Susan]

You had a pint?

[Kay]

You had a pint and it was so nice. I have the worst. Do you guys. I don't know. This is a personal question, but I left London feeling so awful because I get like insane travel tummy. I can't go to the bathroom when I can't go to the bathroom on vacation.

[Susan]

Oh, no, no, no. That is a thing. I either cannot go or I literally can not get off the. The toilet. One or the other.

[Kathy]

I never have that one.

[Susan]

It's one or the other.

[Kay]

My pants weren't fitting. I was like, there is something wrong.

[Kathy]

Remember our season of the Golden Bachelor? Yeah. And the gas, if you will. And they said it was the meatballs and I said it was the guacamole. I have news for you. My tummy don't like to travel either. And it was backed up for a week. And when I got there, I was totally went to the guacamole. I was like, oh, my God, they were trying to buy me prunes. I said, I'm not taking that now. Then it was like an explosion.

[Kay]

It's so bad. It's so bad.

[Susan]

Okay, so now that we've discussed everyone's bowel habits, let's move in to season two of the Golden Bachelor. Okay. We. We know that you met Mel. What are your thoughts when he first got announced to him when you met him? Let's start there.

[Kay]

Right? Susan, I think you were. We were both at the Hulu party. Yes, we were. Yeah. But when he first came out, I remember thinking he was super attractive.

[Kathy]

And his sunglasses.

[Kay]

Remember the green and the. I remember. I remember exactly. And I was like, man, this is. He seemed charming. And I was like, this man is ready. And. And I was like, maybe a little too ready. It seemed. I don't know, it.

[Kathy]

It.

[Susan]

Wait, too ready for what? Kay.

[Kay]

Like, he seemed too polished, too good looking. I was like, there's something, there has to be something that.

[Susan]

Have you been watching the season? K. Of course.

[Kathy]

He looked very sure of himself that day. Confident. And yeah. Now as we watch him, it's like, where's that guy?

[Kay]

I. I also met him. We actually had a conversation at this Sofi. We went to a football game because he used to play for the Rams and Bachelor, Golden Bachelor threw that. And we had a conversation and we talked about Jared and he is super charming. Very, very nice guy. I'm glad I got to, like, chat with him and get to know him before the season started. Just a little bit to have that kind of context, because it sets you up because, you know, you used to hear the podcast that he was on and the comments that he said.

[Susan]

I got, I got a direct because my son went to the University of Michigan. And as soon as I said that, oh, what dorm did he live in? Let's. I mean, it was all about University of Michigan. So, you know, I had my.

[Kathy]

He was comfortable in that. It was conversation. Yeah.

[Kay]

What were, what were your guys's impression of him? I'm curious. I know you guys were on the show and got to meet him. What. What did you think?

[Kathy]

Well, the day at the Hulu event, I had walked up to him after he was announced and such and said, I just want to welcome you to the family.

[Kay]

Ye.

[Kathy]

He said, thanks, thanks. And he asked me something. I said, first and foremost, take the shades off. I'm going to look in your eyes. And I think. I don't know if he was uncomfortable or I just got a different feel.

[Susan]

Gee, I Don't know why you'd be uncomfortable. Susan, get against that wall. Take your glasses off. What do you want? You'll look like.

[Kathy]

Was it.

[Kay]

Let me see those eyes.

[Kathy]

It was like, okay, you really look good. I'm thinking walking in there, he did. He looked amazing. And he still does look amazing. But when I looked in his eyes, it wasn't like he a ghost. But I don't think that the confidence was. Yeah, he was uncomfortable.

[Kay]

Yeah. Do you think that changed when you met him? At onset.

[Kathy]

Yes. Between him and I, yes. He was much more comfortable. However, what he on the show, I feel like he holds back a lot back.

[Kay]

Yeah.

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[Susan]

So wait, I want to know Mel. You know, it's. It's kind of an interesting journey with him. But who are some of your favorite women on the show and who are you rooting for? Because we've seen Mel, we've seen his sort of struggle to really engage in a way that we all can root for, even though we love him. So who are your favorite women and who you're rooting for?

[Kay]

I do want to say that I said from, I want to say episode maybe three episodes ago, I had pegged, well, Peg and Debbie and Cindy as top three, and I was very proud of myself. I was like. I felt. I felt something. And I think Cindy's gonna take it. I think. I mean, I think Peg is obviously going to be the runner up because we already got down to the last two. But I think Debbie is going to be the next Golden Bachelorette if they do that earlier.

[Susan]

No, no. K. No, go ahead.

[Kathy]

Kathy wants to do it, but it's not you, Kathy. It's Debbie.

[Susan]

How about Debbie and media? I think it would be great if you know Debbie. It'd be fun because she's never been married. It would be a really interesting storyline.

[Kay]

Here's a. Here's a compromise.

[Kathy]

Though.

[Susan]

Okay.

[Kay]

Debbie's the bachelorette. You two are co hosting. No shade to Jesse. Love Jesse. But this is just an idea. I don't know. Throwing it out there.

[Susan]

That's right. There's. There's room for Susan, baby and Jesse. Okay, wait, I have a question, though. What? Did you always have them from the beginning of the season?

[Kathy]

That's what she said.

[Kay]

Cindy, yes. Not. Not all three, but I had Cindy from the beginning. Cindy from the beginning. There was just something about her that felt like. Like, oh, this is gonna go in that direction. They felt like a good match from the jump.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Kay]

I was not expecting Peg to make it as far as she did, but once we got maybe, like to the last, maybe six or seven, I go maybe after. Actually after her first.

[Kathy]

After one on one day.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Kay]

I was like, okay.

[Susan]

Maybe prior to that. I didn't think she was that into him.

[Kay]

No, I didn't either. And I thought she was going to be a little tough for him a little too.

[Kathy]

But he's all about fun. And.

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[Kathy]

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[Kay]

Are they just want fun. They went easy. They want whatever. And it's like, were any of serious.

[Kathy]

Any of the elimination shocking to you? Like, you were surprised that he sent so and so home, or did it kind of fall into place?

[Kay]

I was sad to see. I don't know if you remember her, but Monica B. Oh, we love Monica.

[Kathy]

We love Monica.

[Kay]

I was devastated. She was an icon at the roast. She was so good at that roast.

[Kathy]

Now, I. I have the big question. Tell me what you think of Nicole.

[Kay]

Nicole.

[Susan]

Wait, we just jumped from Monica B.

[Kathy]

I like the pause. I love the pause.

[Kay]

Oh. Oh. Also, the other person that I was surprised about was Jerry leaving. I didn't think Jerry was gonna leave.

[Susan]

Why?

[Kathy]

Why?

[Susan]

Tell me why.

[Kay]

They had a connection and he. Even the way he was, like, he would kiss her and how they would like, like touch each other where they were talking. They. There was something there. I mean, I guess it wasn't as strong as the other ones, but I did see something and I. I don't know. I thought.

[Susan]

I thought there's funny. I didn't feel it. I love Jerry. I didn't feel. I thought that. Yeah, I. I think my struggle has been that I've said on another podcast, I feel like with these last three.

[Kay]

Yeah.

[Susan]

Mel has whittled it down and those three embody what he would like in his person.

[Kathy]

Probably.

[Kay]

Yeah.

[Susan]

Those three together. And I didn't see Jerry. But that's interesting that you saw it.

[Kay]

Yeah, but Nicole, it's. I'm kind of surprised, if I'm honest. I'm surprised at how she was speaking, what she was speaking about, because I think with this, we watch these reality shows now and obviously social media is part of it and it's very looked down upon to talk about it while you're on the show. And so when she was talking about, I'm like, is she new? Has she not seen anything? It was very surprising. I mean, just completely was like, yep, I want to do my own cookbook. It's going to be not between me and Mel, but me and America. And I'm.

[Kathy]

I'm dating America and putting the original cast of the first Golden Bachelor down. You don't put another woman down.

[Kay]

Oh, correct. The. In her hating on the, the previous cast.

[Susan]

That's us, first of all.

[Kathy]

Yeah, I don't think so, girl.

[Kay]

My wife's names out of your mouth. Second of all. And then also when she was leaving and she was like, oh, I know you're not going to end up with. You're not going to make it with this one, so call me after.

[Kathy]

That's not going to work. And I'm going to be the next Golden Bachelorette. I think she took a wrong approach. I kind of feel sorry for her. Yeah, I was angry at first and now I'm to the point where I really feel like she doesn't know what she's doing.

[Kay]

I feel bad at all. It was very weird to watch and kind of just.

[Susan]

Well, did you see on the, on the previews for the Tell all? And she says, I really had deep feelings for you. I'm like, did I go get a Coke during that commercial? Like, I missed that.

[Kay]

Explain the feelings.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Kay]

Are the feelings in the room with us right now.

[Susan]

Exactly. Or those in love.

[Kathy]

Did you love Terry and Cindy while she was kissing all over him in the pool? She said, she's climbing them like a tree.

[Kay]

It was the whole. At first. During that scene before, we had heard all of the other things. When that scene happened, I was kind of on her side. I'm like, yeah, why not?

[Susan]

Shoot your shot.

[Kay]

You're here. Shoot your shot. If nobody else is. That's not anybody else's fault. Like, they should be doing the same thing. But then when you get to.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Kay]

Later in the season and you hear the comments, it feels kind of icky.

[Susan]

Okay, so I have a question. If you could have picked a fourth person for hometowns, who would you have picked?

[Kay]

I. I think I would have picked Jerry. I liked Jerry. I wanted to get to know her more. I liked her and I thought she had a really good vibe. Yeah, I think Jerry would have been in my top.

[Kathy]

What did you think of the hometowns?

[Kay]

The hometowns were interesting.

[Kathy]

It's different, right?

[Kay]

Different because they went to the three different cities, but then they came back to Bachelor Mansion, which was interesting.

[Susan]

No. Don't they usually do that?

[Kathy]

Yeah, they do.

[Susan]

Because one, they usually do that.

[Kay]

Come back to back. Yeah, they usually have. Well, like maybe in the bachelor and bachelor, they're like in an air hanger or something. Yeah, sometimes. I don't know. It just depends. But. But yeah, they came back to back.

[Susan]

Which one did you like the most of? Of the hometowns?

[Kay]

I think I really liked. Let's see. I liked Cindy's. I just like. I think I just like Cindy and Mel. And I liked Cindy's daughters.

[Kathy]

Aren't they beautiful?

[Susan]

Amazing.

[Kay]

I also like. I think it was Peg, Peg, Dakota. She kind of like a hard ass.

[Susan]

Dakota really likes Peg.

[Kathy]

Daughter questions.

[Susan]

Wait, can I just. Just say this has nothing to do with anything, but I marveled at the fact that Dakota, Peg, and her mother all have the same laugh. I know.

[Kay]

Oh, you know what? I didn't even notice that. I need to go back and.

[Susan]

Oh, my God, they all laughed. It was like it was three. Laughing is one. It was really amazing.

[Kay]

That is too funny. Too funny. But, yeah, I think I just really enjoyed the families in general.

[Susan]

So that's what I was gonna ask you. What did you think about the families? Families? I mean, the daughters.

[Kay]

I liked the daughters. I. I liked how serious they were taking it and how especially like Pegs. Peg's daughter Dakota was. She's like, I'm not falling for anything. Okay. She was like, yeah, I need to know why your intentions.

[Susan]

She's like her mom. She's like, exactly.

[Kathy]

She says it like it is. And then when he came to talk to Peg afterwards, she goes, isn't my daughter a blast? She's so funny. He goes, oh, yeah, we had such a good time. Kathy and I are looking at each other. That wasn't fun.

[Susan]

So Susan. Susan and I are watching this episode together, and he goes, yeah, we had. We had so much fun. I look at Susan, I said, am I watching the same show if that is fun? Because this guy keeps talking about fun. Mel likes fun. He wants fun. Like, if this is fun, I have a mortuary I want to give you a tour of.

[Kay]

I have a few ideas, but I also don't want to like, skip out on Debbie. Because I like Debbie's hometown a lot too. I like seeing her twin sister. And also I love her entire story on never being married being. I think that should be told more. And I think it's just not a story we get to hear a lot, especially on these dating shows in general.

[Kathy]

Right. That's what she make a perfect.

[Kay]

Exactly.

[Susan]

You know, it's funny. Yeah. I'll tell you, okay. I've gotten some flack on social media because I said that I would not date someone who had not been married before. And boy, did I take a lot of heat for it. But the men that I've dated who were never married, I think men are different from women.

[Kay]

I was about to say.

[Susan]

And the people that wrote me, I don't think they get that. No, women are. We are central. We are caring. We're built that way.

[Kathy]

Yes.

[Susan]

Men are just like steamrollers. It's about me. I've never had to worry about anyone else.

[Kathy]

And.

[Susan]

And so it was. I think Debbie is charming and lovely and caring. And I agree with you, 100. Her story should be told more.

[Kay]

And seeing her family and. And just in her like family, but chosen family because. Yeah. She doesn't have kids or a husband or anything.

[Susan]

Go ahead.

[Kathy]

Do you think that had anything to do with his decision because of the family wholesome?

[Kay]

I don't know. I don't know. I think that's. That's a good question.

[Kathy]

I. I don't know.

[Kay]

I don't. I. I don't think I know Mel enough.

[Susan]

I agree.

[Kathy]

It doesn't let us know.

[Kay]

And he's asking everybody else. He's like, I need to know more about you. I know this and that. I'm like, I don't know you my guy.

[Kathy]

Show me something. That's what Sydney gets to towards the end of this.

[Susan]

And her daughter.

[Kathy]

Yes. Like what?

[Susan]

What do you want?

[Kathy]

Like, I'm not in love with her, but I'd like to get to know her.

[Kay]

It's episode what I know. I know. And who was it? It was Care. Carol who got sent home at the end.

[Susan]

No, she went home.

[Kathy]

She chose to leave. That makes.

[Kay]

I would have too.

[Susan]

Yeah, I would have. So wait, I want to know. Of the final two, who do you think's got the best shot of ending up with Mel? Because I will tell you, I've gone on record from the beginning. I've said it was Cindy. But now watching this episode this week, and when he said that about the three women, all embody, you know, the woman he wants.

[Kay]

Sure.

[Susan]

And he's been very clear that he's unclear about what he's looking for. Right. So I would be surprised if he doesn't pick anyone. But who do you think he has the best shot?

[Kay]

That's a great hot take and would be an interesting ending to this season. I do think it's going to be Cindy. But because he does keep mentioning fun, there is a chance that he could choose Peg.

[Kathy]

Yeah, it's a 50 50.

[Kay]

It really is. 50 50. But if I had to put money on it, I would choose Cindy. Just because she.

[Susan]

Do you notice that? Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

[Kay]

No, yeah. Just because she just seems. She seems as invested as him. Peg, I think, is still on the fence.

[Susan]

But let me say, every toast. Susan, I've talked about this. Every toast he's made with a champagne at the end of the road, he said toast, a fun and adventure. And that screams Peg. So I'm with you. I don't know.

[Kathy]

I always thought it was Cindy, but like I said, the end of the show this week, I see her mind going and she wants somebody that can't live without her. He's not given her that.

[Kay]

He's not.

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[Kathy]

And also sleep over time.

[Susan]

Kathy what is he waiting for?

[Kay]

Also Peg, though, now that I'm remembering this, she has also been very from the beginning when their first conversation, vocal about wanting to have fun. Like have fun, live life. And they were talking about working and he's like I'll work forever.

[Susan]

And she's like, and she doesn't want that.

[Kay]

I don't know if I want that. I wouldn't want. I don't want to work now.

[Kathy]

Yeah, right. Right.

[Kay]

Yes.

[Susan]

I that's in the back of my head. 2K. She said I want a guy who's retired where we can go and have fun. He's like fun. I'm I'm never going to retire. I'm going to work. So you know, that gives me pause too.

[Kathy]

Yeah. And he also said when they I forget which daughter it was that said, when do you see yourself next to my mom? Growing old in the rocket chair. I'm never going to be in a rocket chair. I said, whoa.

[Kay]

And she's like, okay, whatever.

[Susan]

Yeah, hiking, you know, climbing Mount Kilimanjaro, whatever it is. But, you know. Yeah, no, I get that. So.

[Kathy]

And I realized that when they get to the overnights, the women don't see each other. And I remember our season how Gary told them both that he loved them. Mel will not use that word because I don't think he's ready to say it. I don't.

[Susan]

Wait, Kate, do you think it's. You don't think he loves any of them?

[Kathy]

No, he's not.

[Susan]

Do you think it's okay. Do you think it's okay if he. At the end of the season. I know the show's about love and finding love. How do you feel if he chooses no one instead of saying, who's he going to choose? What if he chooses no one? What do you think?

[Kathy]

Ouch.

[Kay]

I think that's better than choosing someone and having the fate of Gary.

[Susan]

Oh, daggers.

[Kay]

I think I would rather him choose no one. Then Gary choose some. Like. And then having Gary's trajectory.

[Susan]

Wait a lot. Wait, wait.

[Kathy]

If.

[Susan]

If he chose to get married and I could do the wedding again with. With Jesse Palmer, I'm in. I mean, if it's another divorce, okay. As long as I get to be at the wedding and have a microphone, I'm good.

[Kay]

Well, I need to be invited to the next wedding because it was in Palm Springs and I was very close.

[Susan]

No, let's be.

[Kay]

Oh, La Quinta. I stayed at the La Quinta. I think it was last summer, maybe two summers ago. Very pretty.

[Kathy]

It might have been the most beautiful wedding ever.

[Kay]

It's gorgeous.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

Like, Kathy made a statement about the road. There were so many freaking flowers there.

[Susan]

I said, like, I looked at Susan. I went, there are so many roses at this wedding. There's not gonna be a damn rose left in Pasadena for the Rose bowl parade.

[Kay]

I know.

[Susan]

It was that bad. Okay, wait. I want to know if. If Golden Paradise 2.0 happens. Oh, do you have any picks from this season? Beyond me, which is from season one.

[Kathy]

So they'll probably have.

[Kay]

Right hole. Definitely will definitely show up.

[Kathy]

She'll be sniffing underwear like April and no.

[Susan]

Oh, Jesus.

[Kay]

Because my. My thought on paradise is. I've always thought this. When you go to paradise, you're either going to. As a redemption story or to ruin your reputation. It's one or the other. You go on there like, what's his. Jonathan, for example, golden child on Jen season, everybody was obsessed with him. Then comes on paradise and he kind of got shat on.

[Susan]

Yeah, I had redemption. I had redemption.

[Kay]

So, yeah, I hear that a redemption arc. It's either one or the other. So I think Nicole would go on. I hope Monica B. Goes on. Loved her, definitely. If Peg does not get picked, she will be on Paris.

[Susan]

Where are all the guys coming from?

[Kay]

Yeah, Yeah. I think we need another.

[Kathy]

We need a few more seasons.

[Kay]

Bring some young ones in. Because I. One of the things that. When I was recapping paradise, this past paradise, one of the things that I loved about the golden side of it was that I'm like, I don't need anybody here to find love. Like, I don't need the. The golden bachelor and bachelorettes to find love. I like watching them experiencing all of this and having fun and building these friendships because honestly, if I. When I'm 65, if I'm single, etc, I will be so set in my life. I think at that point that I won't.

[Kathy]

We won't carry somebody else in.

[Kay]

I'm like, what's the point? So I love watching so much.

[Susan]

Yeah. I mean, I would. Yeah, I would bring someone into my life. But I will tell, you're right on the money. K. It was such a joy to watch these young ones experience love, fall in love and. And for me to have those relationships with them. So you're right on the money.

[Kay]

And it was fun for us to watch.

[Kathy]

They could have fallen in love had they brought some more men. There wasn't a lot of men.

[Kay]

Yeah, there wasn't enough.

[Kathy]

Enough.

[Kay]

Wasn't enough golden bachelor men on there. But I just, I really loved. The Goldens were the best part of this season. Truly.

[Susan]

Wait, do you want to. Do you want to specify more which Goldens were the best?

[Kay]

Yeah, I think Kathy was a good. Do you know. Have you heard of her? She has the strategy. She's going in for strategy. He's like, no, I'm gonna win. She's like, keith, you're staying here.

[Susan]

We're gonna do this. No, but. No, no, no. To be clear, no. To be clear, I love. No, he decided to stay. That was not me.

[Kay]

I know. It was great, though.

[Susan]

It was. But Keith and I were like, we're not taking the money.

[Kay]

That was nice of you.

[Susan]

I would never take money from young kids.

[Kay]

You're better than me. Because I would have been like, bye.

[Susan]

Let me, let me, let me Try like peace out. I've got. I've got that money being ach wired right into my bag.

[Kathy]

I know we're supposed to be talking about Mel's show right now, but I have to say, yeah. Kathy wished that they really did stay overnight in that field with the horse poop and the. That was the worst night of my life just watching it.

[Susan]

I love, loved it.

[Kathy]

What's her name? I felt so sorry for Cat. Oh, my God.

[Kay]

I know. I would have been home. I would have been like, yeah, I'm eliminate.

[Kathy]

Self eliminate.

[Kay]

Self eliminate. You would have seen.

[Susan]

Loved it. Loved it. People thought I was joking. Keith and I would have spent all night in that tent. I loved it. The camping was the best night of the entire time in paradise for us.

[Kay]

I mean, it is so fun.

[Kathy]

Do you camp? Do you camp?

[Kay]

Absolutely not.

[Kathy]

Okay. My idea of camping is no phone in the room. Okay. That's.

[Kay]

Yeah. The most I'll do is like, we went when I went to Soho Farmhouse and we stayed in this gorgeous cabin with like. That works.

[Kathy]

That works.

[Kay]

We're glamping or nothing. I just don't. I mean, the girls, when they first showed up to the campsite in paradise, they were in like their cocktail dresses.

[Kathy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kay]

Thick.

[Kathy]

They were dressed. And of course, Kathy fell over the table. Do we remember?

[Kay]

Obviously.

[Susan]

I mean, it could happen to anyone.

[Kay]

It was a great scene, though. It was a really great scene. There were a lot. I liked this season a lot.

[Susan]

It was fun.

[Kathy]

There's so many twists. We're getting back to Mel now. He's gone to first hear the women tell all. I love. That's my favorite part.

[Kay]

My favorite one too. My favorite. It's the best one. I love the glow ups because every. Because a lot of people are seeing themselves on TV for the first time and you're like, oh, that's my haircut. Or that's what I was wearing. Let's judge it up. That's why everybody comes back in there.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Kay]

Full glam. I love watching the glow ups and.

[Kathy]

They'Re speaking confident and they feel better.

[Susan]

It's okay. We. We've got to ask you all these questions. I love the fact that you love Paradise. We all love Mel. We wanted to find happiness, but in the few minutes we have left, we want to talk to you. Do you have any questions for us?

[Kay]

Oh, okay. Yes.

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[Kathy]

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[Kay]

Let me think. I actually am curious. I think I asked you a lot of the questions while I was going on there, but when you showed up for this season, like, for your appearance on the show, did you have any input on what you guys were going.

[Susan]

To do with the way I'm gonna answer that one? We were on the phone and Susan said, oh, let's bring vibrators. I said, absolutely not. And then we walked in with vibrators. Does that answer your question?

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[Susan]

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[Kathy]

I had a fit about the pajamas. Like, what color you get.

[Susan]

Wait, wait, wait.

[Kathy]

We gotta wear pajamas. Can we order our own?

[Kay]

They're like, right. I'm always. I'm always curious about that because I love seeing people from previous casts come back and interact with the cast, especially you guys, because I see the two of you from that season as sort of like, I would come to you for advice. Like, you were the people who I'd want to come to for advice from that season. So I was always curious. I'm like, do they get to pick what they're doing? Like, are they. Or are they just told, this is what we're doing, or do you know.

[Susan]

They said, we're going to have a pajama party. We want you to talk to the ladies, give them some advice. You've been through this before. You know, it's going to be a great surprise for them because that particular night, Debbie was on a one on one with Mel. And you know, let's. Let's meet with the ladies and. And you know, get them back feeling like they're, you know, because you know how it is. It's tough. And so we came in. Well, after I fell in the bushes, we came in raring to go, and it was, It.

[Kathy]

Didn't you think it was interesting, Kathy, when we first sat down with all of them, the questions that they were asking, they were very excited to see us.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

I was taken back by some of the questions.

[Kay]

Questions is, is. Was there someone or a few people that maybe their personality surprised you or that you liked a lot or maybe didn't like?

[Kathy]

There was nobody I didn't like. They were all great.

[Susan]

I chatted with Cindy because she's from.

[Kathy]

Austin, and Peg sat next to me from the get go. And Peg shared that she was a little rough around the edges. She's used to being with all men. And I go, okay, Peggy, all right, let's chill, let's chill. Let's just try to be a little softer. And we work together on that. You know, that's who she is.

[Susan]

Yeah. And then Nicole, I chatted with Nicole and she was telling me that a lot of the ladies were asking her how to have makeout lessons, how to, you know, how to get deep kisses from Mel. I'm like, listen, I'm single and I've been, I can't help you there. I'm like, I don't have the, you know, I don't have the answers for that one.

[Kathy]

However, Nicole did everybody's makeup in the house and stuff.

[Kay]

So Nicole was getting along with everyone. 1.

[Susan]

Oh, yeah.

[Kathy]

Then it was early. It was.

[Kay]

Oh, that was, that was a bit earlier.

[Susan]

Yeah. But you know what? It was so fun. I have to say, being back in the mansion was so fun. So in, in a, in a, in a strange way to sort of relive and re enjoy without the stress.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Susan]

The feeling of being in the mansion and just feeling what those, what it felt like to be part of such a, you know, a trailblazer first time ever. And watching these ladies on their quest for love, I, I, I loved it. With that being said, that was so much fun. Thank you so much to our wonderful guest, Kay. It was really great getting to know you, hearing about your life and your travels and all your opinions on everything.

[Kay]

Bachelor, this was so fun. I love you both. Big fan of the two of you. So anytime you want me on, I'm back.

[Kathy]

Well, definitely, we'll come join you sometime, too.

[Kay]

Please.

[Kathy]

To all of our listeners, we hope you enjoyed this as much as we did. Be sure to follow us on Bachelor Happy Hour as we have new episodes coming out every week that you just don't want to miss.

[Susan]

Listen to Bachelor Happy Hours golden hour on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you listen to your podcasts. Till next time, have a great week.

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