Kevin & Lew: Saying Yes to Love and Getting Real About Taylor

Summary

Bachelor Happy Hour: Kevin & Lew – Saying Yes to Love and Getting Real About Taylor

Date: May 6, 2026
Hosts: Charity Lawson & Rachel Recchia
Guests: Kevin Montero & Lou Evans

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Episode Overview

In this candid episode, hosts Charity Lawson and Rachel Recchia interview two standout contestants from Taylor’s recent “Bachelorette” season, Kevin Montero (32, Physical Therapist from Miami) and Lou Evans (32, Insurance Tech Founder from Salt Lake City). The episode focuses on their journeys into Bachelor Nation, personal growth, navigating the unique drama of Taylor’s season, and how they're handling love and life in the public eye. Special emphasis is placed on the show's dramatic, unprecedented behind-the-scenes context regarding Taylor, modern dating, mental health, and positive masculinity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Kevin Montero: Miami’s Candid Physical Therapist

Introduction and Feelings on the Current Situation

• Kevin discusses feeling overwhelmed by the sudden fame and questions following the show's controversy.
  • “It was a lot worse, obviously, once the news dropped … phone blowing up … social media … now I’m just kind of anxious, waiting for the next step.” (03:50-04:26)
• Notes disappointment that his Miami friends and family didn’t get to see the show as anticipated.
  • “I had so many people just excited to just see me on the screen … My mother’s priority. I gotta watch it with her.” (04:35-05:03)

Getting Cast on “The Bachelorette”

• Friends pushed him to apply; he hesitated but eventually submitted an audition.
  • “I got a call the very next day and here I am.” (05:19-05:50)
• Describes the process as grueling and requiring a lot of personal information, joking about the extensive requirements.
  • “What’s my blood type? … Social Security? Unborn child’s name?” (06:33-06:54)

Taylor & The Elephant in the Room

• Entered with little knowledge of Taylor, and tried to keep an open mind amid her public drama.
  • “Things you see on the Internet is not really what it is in person in real life … clean slate when I walked in.” (07:59-08:29)

First Night & House Dynamics

• Most nervous he’s ever been (“Me stepping outside of that limo was me getting punched in the face.” – quoting Mike Tyson, 08:47-08:58)
• Cast camaraderie was strong—almost to a fault.
  • “Everyone loved each other … like, producers had to remind us to go talk to Taylor.” (09:32-09:57)

Dating History & Growth

• High school relationship, then a more mature relationship ended during a difficult family time; focused since on therapy and self-improvement.
  • “Since then, I’ve been single … worked on myself, had therapy … created this perfect human package you see before you.” (10:30-11:49)
• Values laughter, resilience, and not sweating the small stuff in a partner.
  • “Being able to come back at the end of the night and just laugh with your partner is so important.” (12:21-13:40)
• Tired of superficial Miami dating scene; looking for genuine connections.
  • “I want like a chill girl … don’t have to wine and dine every single night.” (14:38-14:48)

Miami Roots & Entrepreneurship

• Miami is home base, but he’s open to moving (“This is where my businesses have been—it’s my nucleus.” 15:06-15:23)
• Recently left a surgeon’s clinic to build his private PT practice.
  • “Best decision ever … I can take time off whenever I want.” (16:10-17:15)

Personality & Lifestyle

• Gym, paddleboarding, Xbox, and food are essentials.
  • “I work out so much just so I can eat so much.” (18:42-19:03)
  • Self-professed simple eater and home cook.

Hot Seat Game: Rapid Fire

• Unhinged food take: Steak at restaurants is overrated.
  • “Steak at a restaurant is so overrated … I’d much rather have … churrasco … in a taco, six bucks.” (19:55-21:02)
• Song that makes him cry: Dave Matthews Band – "Crash Into Me"
  • Reminds him of childhood and happy family times in an “orange glow” (21:30-22:42)
• Best “Yes”: Going on a Euro trip at 20; “That just kind of unlocked the travel bug … set my life up.” (23:09-23:36)
• Top Miami restaurants: Bar Taco, Berries in the Grove, and La Carreta (24:15-25:48)

Closing Wisdom

• “Take it easy on us, take it easy on Taylor … just have a good time and don’t stress the small stuff.” (26:00-26:23)
• Socials: Instagram @kevinmontero45, TikTok: @hiimkevin (26:28-26:38)

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Lou Evans: Salt Lake’s Optimist and Storyteller

Intro & Compassion for Taylor

• Expresses empathy for Taylor and those affected by the show’s scandal.
  • “She is a good person. Has she made mistakes? Yeah, we’ve all made mistakes … I wish everything good with all parties, especially those kids. … It’s people’s lives we’re talking about.” (33:32-35:27)

Cast Group Chats & Positivity

• Confirms multiple group chats among the guys, big and small.
  • “There’s always a big group chat, and then there’s smaller group chats.” (35:50-36:03)
• Proud to play “the positive Paul” and voice of reason, encouraging others to stay focused on what’s within their control.
  • “There’s people that get paid a lot of money to figure this stuff out, and they’ll get it figured out … we have to stay positive.” (36:09-37:03)

Personal Growth from the Experience

• Grateful for the journey despite the drama and uncertain outcome.
  • “How many people get the opportunity? … I learned so much about myself.” (37:23-37:55)
• Describes the odd dynamic of sharing dating experiences with other men:
  • “It’s like when someone walks in from a date … Oh, I’m so happy for you … but, like, I’m starting to gain feelings … I don’t know if I’m really happy.” (38:16-38:38)

Dating History

• Past relationships shaped by healing, honesty, and maturity.
  • “I’m dating to marry. I’m not messing around or playing with people’s hearts.” (40:06-40:22)
• One ex went on “Big Brother” and started a relationship while still dating Lou—he found out in real time.
  • “I saw it all … got DMs from 12-year-olds being like, hey, did you see this happen?” (40:31-40:40)
  • Still expresses fondness and maturity: “There’s a reason I got into a relationship with her in the first place. … I’m not mad about that person … it’s going to lead me to a different path.” (41:08-42:06)

Application Process & Readiness

• Friends’ wives nominated him for the show over the years, but he feels only now did he have the maturity and self-love to do it well.
  • “At that time, I wasn’t ready … this time, I was out of a relationship, had really worked on myself. … Lou is awesome.” (42:17-43:13)

Utah, Taylor, and the Reality Bubble

• Knew about Taylor via Utah’s tight-knit, highly connected social circles.
  • “If you live in Utah and you don’t know who these girls are, you are … I think you might be crazy.” (44:27-44:35)
• Grew up Mormon and understands the pressure and unique culture of early marriage and “bubble” living.
  • “There’s so much pressure in the Mormon church to get married young and start having kids.” (45:49-46:35)
  • “People need to get out … get around different people from different cultures … you learn a lot.” (45:51-46:12)
• Context for swinging scandals, curiosity, and modern Utah dating culture.
  • “People start to get curious … they’ve never drank before, never had sex except with one person.” (47:00-47:41)
  • On Taylor: “Is Taylor a bad person? No. There were other people involved … they were curious and made a mistake.” (48:18-48:26)

Dating Moms & Religious Upbringing

• Open to dating women with children; values their maturity.
  • “There is a different thing when you have kids and you have these responsibilities … as you get older that’s just how life is.” (54:24-55:15)
• Family left the Mormon Church together; Lou explored other faiths but currently identifies as spiritual without a fixed religion.
  • “I know there’s something out there … religion brings a lot of happiness to people.” (57:10-57:06)
  • “I was a good kid, … I didn’t drink for 21 years.” (57:10-58:03)

Lou’s Fun Stories and Rapid-Fire Game

• Name origin: Not short for anything, but proud of his unique spelling “L-E-W.”
  • “My mom doesn’t make mistakes.” (59:09-59:14)
• Dirty soda order: Strawberry refresher at Swig: “Ice, strawberries, sparkling water, coconut, vanilla … it’s fancy.” (59:56-60:15)
• Wild story: Accidentally hung out with a cartel member in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, including an off-site casino and a tiger encounter; told with self-effacing humor and incredulity.
  • “Who has tigers in Mexico? … If you take me and kill me, it’s my time to die. But that would have been a cool way to die.” (63:46-64:32)

Basketball & “The GOAT”

• Unapologetic LeBron James supporter.
  • “LeBron James. You don’t even have to finish. Period.” (64:58-65:06)

Final Wisdom & Socials

• “Life is a roller coaster. Put your hands up and enjoy the ride … we just need positive in this world right now.” (66:57-68:10)
• Socials: Instagram / TikTok: @lewevanss (68:24-68:37)
• Extends an open invite to chat, being supportive and attentive as ever.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Kevin on nerves:
  • “Me stepping outside of that limo was me getting punched in the face.” (08:47)
• Kevin, humor about Miami dating:
  • “They’re posting their Gucci … I’m like, you live with your parents still. Why? … I can’t afford you, next!” (14:08-14:31)
• Kevin, on laughter in relationships:
  • “Life is so short. Laugh a little, please.” (12:33-13:40)
• Kevin on his “unhinged food take”:
  • “Steak at a restaurant is so overrated. … I’d much rather have churrasco in a taco.” (19:55-21:02)
• Lou on Taylor and the situation:
  • “She’s a good person … and she loves those kids. Those kids love her. It’s just this whole situation is unfortunate.” (33:32-35:27)
• Lou’s big-hearted view:
  • “We are living in a nasty time in this world. … We just need positive in this world right now.” (66:57-68:10)
• Lou on resilience:
  • “Life is a rollercoaster. … If you go through some rough times, put your hands up and enjoy the ride.” (67:03-68:10)
• Lou’s cartel story:
  • “Who has tigers in Mexico? … They love me!” (63:46-64:15)
• Basketball GOAT Debate:
  • “LeBron James. … There’s no point to argue. You have your opinion, I have my opinion.” (65:06-65:38)

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Important Timestamps

• Kevin’s introduction & feelings on the news: 03:24–05:10

• Application journey: 05:14–06:54

• First night nerves & camaraderie: 08:29–09:57

• Kevin’s dating history & personal growth: 10:26–13:40

• Kevin’s rapid fire round: 19:28–24:00

• Kevin’s closing message & socials: 26:00–26:38

• Lou’s introduction & Taylor remarks: 32:01–35:27

• Group chat & positivity: 35:47–37:03

• Insights on Utah, Mormon culture, Taylor’s past: 43:34–48:26

• Dating moms & religion: 54:18–58:10

• Dirty soda, cartel story, basketball: 59:34–65:38

• Lou’s closing wisdom & socials: 66:57–68:37

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Takeaway

Charity and Rachel deliver two warm, revealing interviews with Kevin and Lou, giving Bachelor Nation an honest look into the personalities and backgrounds of Taylor’s season cast. Both men are self-aware, emotionally open, and profoundly supportive—of Taylor, their fellow castmates, and each other. Their stories illustrate how personal growth, staying grounded, and finding laughter amid turmoil can propel love forward, even in the most public (or paused) of reality TV journeys.

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Follow their stories:

• Kevin Montero: Instagram @kevinmontero45; TikTok @hiimkevin
• Lou Evans: Instagram/TikTok @lewevanss

Bachelor Happy Hour: For more behind-the-scenes and cast interviews, subscribe and follow @BachelorHappyHour and @BachelorNation.

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[Rachel]

welcome back to Bachelor happy Hour. It's charity and I am here with Rachel and we are recording on April 3rd. We are so excited because we are interviewing some more guys from Taylor Taylor's cast. We can't wait to show them off to you guys. So let's not keep you guys waiting and get right into it.

[Charity]

We have 32 year old physical therapist from Miami, Florida, Kevin. Welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour. We are so happy you're here.

[Kevin Montero]

Thank you very much. I'm excited to be here.

[Rachel]

Yeah. Oh, my goodness. Okay. We've been kind of just starting off with just assessing and checking in with all of you guys and kind of just getting a feel of how you guys have been feeling for the past few weeks with obviously everything that's going on the news. So how are you holding up and walk us through that?

[Kevin Montero]

I mean, definitely overwhelmed to say the least. It was a lot worse. Obviously, once the news dropped, it was like, you know, non stop phone blowing up and this and that. But it was, it's. Yeah, it's a lot. It's. It's a lot of, just a lot of stuff. A lot of social media. You know, I'm not really used to like huge social media presence or anything like that, but it's calmed down over the last week or so and now I'm just kind of just anxious, like waiting for the next step, like what's gonna happen, what's going on? You know, I just, it's. I'm just nervous and excited for what's to come.

[Charity]

Yeah, no, totally understandable. I feel like there is that nervousness, but also it's fair to have a little bit of disappointment with kind of everything that's happening. Are you feeling.

[Kevin Montero]

Absolutely. Oh, 100. I have, you know, how many. And especially being kind of the only one from Miami. Miami's, it's a huge city, but it's also, you know, this big. So everybody kind of knows everyone and it's, it's, it's, it's its own little bubble. So I had so many people just excited to just see me on the screen, you know, and it's kind of watch parties. Watch parties this and that. I'm like, hey, can we watch together? I'm like, yeah, you gotta stand in line behind everyone else. Like my mother's priority. I gotta watch it with her.

[Charity]

It has to be. Yes.

[Kevin Montero]

But. So, yeah, it's a little disappointing not giving them that satisfaction, let alone like my own satisfaction in that.

[Rachel]

Yeah, totally.

[Kevin Montero]

But yeah.

[Rachel]

Okay, walk us through how you got onto the Bachelorette. Like, how did that journey start?

[Kevin Montero]

Okay, so journey started. So I've been single for a few years now. I don't want to talk about it.

[Charity]

But anyway, we're gonna talk about.

[Kevin Montero]

Just kidding. That's all we're talking about. That's exactly why we're here, to talk about that. So I don't know how this casting came up, but somebody sent it to me or multiple people sent it to me and I kind of just had it sitting there, you know, like for a week or two almost. And one day I got home, I'm like, effort. Let's just. Let me just. Let me just send in an audition and I got a call the very next day and here I am. Wow.

[Charity]

Oh my gosh. So what was that process? Like, did it take months for you to get there?

[Kevin Montero]

Oh, my God.

[Charity]

Or what was that like?

[Kevin Montero]

It was exhausting, to be honest with you. It was almost like a part time job just getting all the requirements for this. Yeah, it's. It's a lot of information. Every day is a new thing. And being on east coast and them being on west coast, I would get emails at like 10:00pm yeah, hey, have this done. End of day. I'm like, it is end of day.

[Lou Evans]

Yeah.

[Kevin Montero]

Like, I got my jammies on. I'm ready. So, like, that was, that was a little difficult. And you know, there was so much information that, that they needed for me and I didn't even know half the information. I had to like, dig deep to find all this stuff.

[Charity]

What's your blood type? Can I have your.

[Kevin Montero]

What's my blood type? Right. Social Security, Unborn child's name. What do you want? Like, they want to know everything that I don't even know. So, yeah, it was, it was definitely a long time. And it took, I would say a month and a half to two months. And so, yeah, it was like a. Just a long process, to be honest with you.

[Rachel]

Did you know anything, like, about her? Like once she was in zero things? Yeah.

[Kevin Montero]

Yeah, zero things. I had a bunch of my friends just text me, like, oh my God, it's gonna be Taylor and I'm like, oh my God, who is that? I have no idea. And so they were telling me about all the drama surrounding her and this and that and like, you know, obviously it's like the elephant in the room. You can't ignore it. But I just had no idea. I was like, look, it's gonna be fun. I'm just gonna go with an open mind and just enjoy the experience. Like, I went for the experience and then whatever happens, happens kind of thing. Because once you get closed off, you're just not enjoying yourself.

[Charity]

Yeah, no, I feel like it's a good way to go into it. Kind of open minded. Did you research her at all? Like, were you aware of the main thing?

[Kevin Montero]

I tried not to research her, but it was impossible for the few people that I did tell about this process, for them not to tell me not to give. Like, it was exactly. They're like, oh, she's this, this, this, and she has this is that. I'm like, okay, okay, okay, okay. It was, it was kind of, you know, it was, it was, it was bound to happen.

[Charity]

Yeah. Did you have any hesitations with some of the things that you heard?

[Kevin Montero]

Of course, of course. It's hard, it's impossible not to ignore like these, these, you know, accusations and these allegations and stuff like that. It's because it's, you know, it's, it's right there, it's blown up. But like I said, I had to just. It was, it happened a while ago. So I don't really. And I don't know anything about her. And it's. Things you see on the Internet is not really what it is in person in real life. So I kind of had to, you know, have that mentality for it and just had to do my best to kind of ignore that and clean slate when I walked in.

[Rachel]

Yeah. Okay, so take us to night one. What was that experience like getting out of the limo? What fears did you have coming in? I know. God, guys.

[Kevin Montero]

Probably the most nervous I've ever been in my entire life.

[Charity]

It's so crazy. It really is.

[Kevin Montero]

There's this, there's this quote from Mike Tyson. He says, everybody has a plan until you get punched in the face. Me stepping outside of that limo was me getting punched in the face.

[Charity]

It is such a good way to put it. You think you're going to be so.

[Kevin Montero]

Absolutely. I'm like, I'm going to crush it. We're going to do this, this and that. The second she said something, I'm like,

[Charity]

and if she goes off script, it's like, which one is like, where do I go?

[Kevin Montero]

That wasn't in my mind. What is that?

[Charity]

That happened to me, and I just said the line I was supposed to say, and it didn't make.

[Kevin Montero]

Just didn't make pasta.

[Charity]

Thank you so much for doing my line.

[Kevin Montero]

Yeah, I didn't practice this. This is a one. One thing only. Then you say something.

[Charity]

So you went in. You're nervous. What were the guys, like, walking into the living room?

[Kevin Montero]

Oh, man, we had such a blast. Like, we all got along so well.

[Rachel]

Everyone is saying this. I'm like, it is clearly true.

[Charity]

I'm like, wait, yeah, no, that's crazy.

[Kevin Montero]

It's, like, almost to a fault. You know what I mean? Like, oh, yeah, we're just like. It's like, everyone loved each other. We're always, like, growing out and stuff and, you know, like, producer, kind of like, hey, do you want to go

[Charity]

talk to the girl?

[Kevin Montero]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, Taylor's here.

[Lou Evans]

We're like, oh, hey.

[Kevin Montero]

Hey, you.

[Rachel]

You guys are there for spring break

[Kevin Montero]

100, some tequila sodas. You know what I mean? It was.

[Charity]

I stayed at that bar, so I feel you.

[Lou Evans]

Oh, absolutely.

[Kevin Montero]

Yeah. I tipped her well, so I kept on coming.

[Charity]

Oh, my gosh.

[Kevin Montero]

But, yeah, we all got along so quickly, and it was just. It was almost like a natural friendship with all of us.

[Charity]

Yeah, perfect. Well, we have to go back to your. Are you going to take the dating.

[Kevin Montero]

Oh, no, we're on the same page.

[Charity]

We are absolutely not. You got to walk us through your dating history.

[Kevin Montero]

Okay. So I had my first kind of real relationship was my high school girlfriend that was around four to five years or something. And that was obviously my first relationship. So I was just like, oh, is this a girl? This is fun. You know, like, this is just new. So new and exciting and all this stuff. So that obviously didn't work out. It was just an immature relationship, you know, it was just, you know, high school, early college, things like that. And then shortly after that didn't work out, I met someone else. And that was more of the sort of mature relationship. Obviously. How mature can you be when you're still in school living with your parents? But it was like the early 20s towards mid to late 20s relationships. So that's where I kind of, like, actually learned a lot from being in relationship. And. And then that didn't work out. It was, like, just a weird time in my life going through boards and parents were getting divorced. It was, like, a lot of stuff happening, and. And then I just. I just kind of Couldn't deal with things. It was. It was 100 because I wasn't ready. And. And then since then, I've been single and I've kind of just like, worked on myself, you know, had therapy a few times and this and that, and then just, like, learned about what I am and who I am, you know, and then created this perfect human package. You see before you.

[Charity]

Absolutely.

[Rachel]

What were some, I guess, qualities or things that you were looking for or you are looking for for when you went into doing the Bachelorette. Like, maybe you've learned from previous relationships that you're like, I want this instead of that.

[Kevin Montero]

Right. Yeah. And of course, it's impossible not to compare to previous relationships. It's just a natural, you know, it is what it is. Like, ah, we didn't do that. I don't know if I like that.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Kevin Montero]

But I think one of the main things is. Is laughter and humor and, you know, being able to laugh through the shitty moments. I'm sorry. Excuse me. Excuse my French.

[Charity]

Let's find her.

[Kevin Montero]

Oh, good. Thank Christ. Jesus Christ. Anyway, so it. I'm just kidding.

[Charity]

We know the whole thing's just. Yeah, okay.

[Kevin Montero]

Yeah. And so basically, just laugh at all those shitty moments. Every relationship is going to have, you know, downfalls and pits and falls and all that kind of stuff. So being able to come back to the end, at the end of the night and just laugh with your partner is, I think, so important. So for me, I find partners that we have, like, similar personalities and humor as well as, you know, maturity, able to be an adult. But, you know, don't. Don't stress the little things and, like, make a joke out of things. Like, life is so short. Laugh a little, please. You know how many people I see in, like, relationships that just don't smile? It's exhausting to watch. And I'm like, dude, just laugh. Smile, please. Enjoy it. You're not here for long, you know, and that's like, a huge quality that I look for. And sometimes, you know, I've been on plenty of dates in the past that it's like, I'm like, I'm gonna throw out some of my best jokes. You know what I mean?

[Charity]

I want to ask. Yeah. About some of those dates. So before the show, just not on the apps. On the apps.

[Kevin Montero]

So I was on the apps for probably one to two years. I haven't been on it and on them in two years or so because it was just like. It was like the same thing over and over again. I didn't really find the substance that I was looking for, but also it's. It's. I know. And not to say that, like, I dated bad girls. Like, they were. They were all genuine, like. Like nice girls, but there was a lot of. A lot of fake girls. Superficial. Yeah. Very, very much so. Like, they're. They're posting their Gucci. They're offended. They're this, they're that. I'm like, you live with your parents still. Why? I don't understand, like, where is this coming from? Like, I can't afford you next, you know? Yeah.

[Charity]

Oh, wow.

[Kevin Montero]

It's like, not. You know what I mean? Like, it's. If that's what their focus is on, it's like, we.

[Rachel]

You want more. Like, you need it.

[Kevin Montero]

Of course. I want, like, a chill girl that I don't have to, you know, wine and dine every single night. Of course I'd love to wine and dine, but, like, it's not. Yeah, that's not. That shouldn't be the sole purpose of a relationship.

[Rachel]

It's not realistic either.

[Kevin Montero]

Right. And unfortunately, Miami has that, you know, that aura about it.

[Rachel]

I was like, you're in the wrong hall.

[Kevin Montero]

I know. Yeah, I know. I'm like, why am I here? But I'm a Miami boy through and through. I can't even. I can't even lie.

[Rachel]

You have no. You have no, like, desire to move.

[Kevin Montero]

This is so. I don't mind moving, but this will always be, like, my home base. That makes sense.

[Rachel]

Okay.

[Kevin Montero]

So, like, I'll always have a home here. You know, this is where all my family and friends are. This is where my businesses have been. It's like, it's one of those that will always have, like, the center, the nucleus is going to be Miami for sure.

[Rachel]

That makes sense.

[Kevin Montero]

And it's hard to beat. You know, it's Miami at the end of the day, too.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Charity]

Miami is fine. But I also love when I get to leave Miami.

[Kevin Montero]

I get that. I totally get that.

[Rachel]

I have.

[Kevin Montero]

Driving around.

[Rachel]

Yeah. Have not spent longer than a week there, so I'm like, I don't think

[Charity]

I could go a week. Yeah.

[Kevin Montero]

Yeah. But when you visit, you're going to, like, the beach or, like, downtown.

[Rachel]

I feel like, you know, you're going

[Kevin Montero]

to, like, the really crowded areas with all the thicky thinky going on. It's a lot.

[Rachel]

I want to know what it's like, not as, like, visiting. And I feel like I would be able to get.

[Kevin Montero]

It's way more chill than.

[Rachel]

That's what everyone says. Everyone's like, the people that live in Miami are always like, it's so chill. And I'm like, is it?

[Kevin Montero]

Yeah, no, exactly. It is. Like, I haven't been to the beach and I don't even know how long. It's not.

[Charity]

I feel. I feel it. So you said you have a couple businesses there or.

[Kevin Montero]

Just. Just my business. Yeah.

[Charity]

Okay, tell us about that.

[Kevin Montero]

So I did. I did work for a clinic owned by a surgeon, orthopedic surgeon, for like four years or so. And then I started doing like, clients on the side and this and that. But then I was working like 14 hours a day and, like, I had no time to. I've said. I said like, like 25, 000 times. Please ignore that. It's also a Miami thing.

[Charity]

I do it all the time.

[Kevin Montero]

Oh, God.

[Charity]

Yeah, It's. I listen to myself back and I'm like, whoa.

[Kevin Montero]

I'm like, oh, no. So I had no time for anything. I had my weekends and I was like, exhausted on the weekends. So I kind of built up enough of my side gig to just quit my job. I quit my job a year and a half ago, November, and made that my full time. And now I have, you know, I'm building my clientele and it's been the best decision ever, you know, Love.

[Charity]

Congratulations.

[Kevin Montero]

Thank you so much. It's awesome.

[Rachel]

Very huge to be your own boss and.

[Kevin Montero]

Oh, man, I can take time off whenever I want.

[Charity]

Date on TV. Just

[Rachel]

doing it all.

[Kevin Montero]

Embarrass myself in 4K.

[Charity]

We've done it. We've all been there. What do you like to do on your time off now that you have so much time to yourself?

[Kevin Montero]

I mean, schedule is still a little busy, but I do have.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Kevin Montero]

So I typically. Obviously I have to go to the gym. That's. That's an essential. That's a. That's a make or break thing. You know, I have to. I can go paddleboarding. I haven't gone paddleboarding in a while, but running is the worst thing ever. But now I have to do it because I'm doing this hyrox thing. Don't. Don't ask. It's horrible.

[Charity]

You're climbing rocks.

[Kevin Montero]

No, it's like this workout competition. I don't think Miami has any rocks to climb. I know.

[Charity]

I was going to say it was pretty flat.

[Kevin Montero]

Our biggest mountain is the hill at Tropical park is what we call it. It's literally like a 20 foot little hill. It's.

[Charity]

So this is a workout competition?

[Kevin Montero]

Yeah, it's climbing rocks. It's. No, no rocks.

[Lou Evans]

No.

[Charity]

Okay, so there are no rocks.

[Kevin Montero]

It's called Hyrox H Y R O X.

[Charity]

Got it.

[Kevin Montero]

Okay.

[Charity]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was.

[Kevin Montero]

It's like running and exercises and stuff like that. But it's. I'm just doing it.

[Rachel]

It's like a tournament.

[Kevin Montero]

No, it's more like a timed competition. Like everybody starts at the same time, and then it's like you race against time and whoever's the best time. I don't even know if we win anything. I. I have no idea.

[Charity]

Bragging, right?

[Kevin Montero]

Yeah, I guess so. And, you know, knee pain.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Kevin Montero]

But anyway, yeah, I like to do any outdoorsy thing and, you know, I play Xbox every once in a while. But eat. I love eating. Yeah, dude. Oh, it's bad. That's partially the reason I work out so much, is so I can eat so much.

[Rachel]

Oh, I love. But I mean, that's. That's called balance, right?

[Kevin Montero]

That's life, right?

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Kevin Montero]

Smile. Eat and work out. That's it. And love.

[Charity]

What's your favorite thing to cook?

[Kevin Montero]

So I'm. I'm a very simple man. I'll cook chicken, steak, all the meats. Put it in rice, pasta, whatever, in a burrito, things like that. Yeah, so I'm. I could eat the same thing every single day. I just kind of meal prep big meals, and it's nothing crazy.

[Rachel]

Amazing. Okay, well, I feel like this is a good segue for us to go into our game. It's called hot.

[Kevin Montero]

Oh, there's a game.

[Rachel]

All of that, basically, like, yes. Rapid fire prompts. We're gonna get to know your personality, so have fun with it. Give us something.

[Kevin Montero]

Oh, no pressure.

[Rachel]

Yeah, no pressure.

[Charity]

Okay, I'll start us off. So we just talked about how you're a foodie. Give us your most unhinged food take.

[Kevin Montero]

Oh, I've got one.

[Charity]

Okay. Yeah.

[Kevin Montero]

Steak at a restaurant is so overrated. Hear me out. Hear me out. So. So you're telling me I'm gonna pay $60 for this little pelacito steak that is barely seasoned, barely cooked. A minute on each side. It's just resting more for 10 minutes. And then they do that little. That little spoon. Spoon sauce.

[Charity]

The art action happening right now.

[Kevin Montero]

The spoon, if you will. And then it's just like, it's over. Everyone's like, it's like, that's great. That's. Good job. I'm happy for you, but I'd much rather have, you know, like a churrasco with like, you know, chimichurri, pico de gallo, and a taco oh, I'd eat that up, you know, six bucks. It's just. I think people like the steak idea because, you know, it's expensive and it's, like, fancy and all that stuff, and especially in Miami. They're everywhere. Yeah, I think that's. I think it's overrated because you can buy a steak for a quarter of their price and make it at home Fair.

[Rachel]

I agree with you.

[Kevin Montero]

And, yes, I got one.

[Rachel]

I do. I'm like, the. No seasoning is like.

[Charity]

It's.

[Rachel]

It hurts. I'm like.

[Kevin Montero]

It does.

[Rachel]

It's. We're paying 85 for this day, right? Amazing.

[Kevin Montero]

Yeah. Thanks. Great. Dessert?

[Charity]

No, thanks.

[Kevin Montero]

I'm full.

[Charity]

Exactly.

[Rachel]

No, no, I get it.

[Charity]

I get it.

[Rachel]

So.

[Kevin Montero]

Yeah. So I guess that was probably my hottest day.

[Rachel]

That's a good bear.

[Kevin Montero]

Okay.

[Rachel]

Okay. The next one is. What song makes you cry every single time?

[Kevin Montero]

Oh, my God. I think everybody already knows this. It's been the Internet already.

[Rachel]

Oh, really?

[Charity]

What is it?

[Kevin Montero]

Yeah, it was, like, one of my fun facts that they. That, you know, they decided to run with.

[Charity]

Okay, we love the fun facts. Tell us what it is.

[Kevin Montero]

So Dave Matthews Band crash into me is. It's like.

[Charity]

That's a good one.

[Kevin Montero]

It's such a good song.

[Rachel]

I'm like, I heard it. I just don't know it's called.

[Kevin Montero]

You have, I'm sure.

[Rachel]

Okay. Okay.

[Kevin Montero]

But the reason it makes me cry is. Oh, man, are we going to cry now?

[Charity]

Oh, my gosh. I'll cry if you start crying. So don't.

[Kevin Montero]

No, I'm kidding. I'm not going to cry. But it just reminds me of a time like, when I was. When I was little. And I have this vivid picture in my head. I was on the couch, and we had, like, orange curtains, and the light was shining through the orange curtain, so it was like kind of an orange glow on the floor. And I smell, like, my mom's cooking in the kitchen. And she would always play Dave Matthews Band. You're seeing it, right?

[Charity]

Yes.

[Kevin Montero]

And. And I could just hear that song in the background, and it just reminds me of, like, you know, simpler times. Like, I didn't have a problem in the world, and all family was together, and it was just like. It was just one of those moments that I just. I want to cherish forever, you know?

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Charity]

That is so beautiful.

[Rachel]

I know.

[Charity]

I think. I don't want to ask another question about that orange curtains visual, but I

[Rachel]

do have to add imagery.

[Kevin Montero]

Of course. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry, guys.

[Charity]

Okay.

[Rachel]

No, it's okay.

[Kevin Montero]

Hope you're Wearing your waterproof mascara today.

[Charity]

I always am. Always.

[Kevin Montero]

Smart gal. Smart gal.

[Charity]

Yes. Okay, it says you are a yes man. What is the best yes you've said in your life so far?

[Kevin Montero]

Oh, I would say the best yes was saying yes to going on a Euro trip when I was 20 years old with one of my friends. With a couple of my friends. And that just kind of unlocked the whole travel bug thing, and that just set my life up for just wanting to see new people, see new places, have new experiences and things like that. So I think that was probably the most influential yes, I would say, in my life.

[Charity]

Where did you guys go?

[Kevin Montero]

Oh, we went to, like, 20 countries or something. We toured in the bus.

[Charity]

One trip.

[Kevin Montero]

Yeah. We stayed maybe a day or two in each country, starting in Paris. I mean, starting in London. Went to Paris on the ferry and then went all over.

[Charity]

Oh, my God.

[Kevin Montero]

And it was the World cup at the time, so we would watch World cup games in their country, and it was so epic. Just the timing was excellent. It was so good.

[Charity]

That's incredible.

[Rachel]

I say traveling is, like, the best thing that you could do.

[Kevin Montero]

100%. It's the best drug for yourself, the world.

[Rachel]

Like it is.

[Kevin Montero]

100. New perspective on life. 100. I agree.

[Rachel]

Love. Okay, the last one. What are the best three restaurants in Miami? Your.

[Kevin Montero]

Oh, God.

[Rachel]

Your best three.

[Kevin Montero]

This is hard. Yeah, my best three. Because I. I don't. You know, I don't go out too much.

[Charity]

Yeah.

[Kevin Montero]

But Bar Taco in the Grove is one of my favorites because it's. It's nothing fancy. It's just. You get good food. Oh, my God. They have these pork belly tacos. I could literally have 37 of them in one sitting. 100. 100. I could have all of them with a margarita. Oh, game over, girl. Come for sure. There's another one. I do love the Grove. Coconut Grove is probably my favorite area in Miami, even though it's getting overpopulated now. But, you know, that's Miami. And there's one called Berries in the Grove, which is like a good brunch spot, but they also have great pizza, and it's like, good mom and pop vibes.

[Rachel]

Very cute.

[Kevin Montero]

So that. That'll be another one. And then I'd have to go with La Carreta, which is probably a staple in Miami as far as Cuban food goes. There are a ton of Cuban food restaurants, but I feel like La Garretta has been tried and true since I was little, and they've been consistent forever. Like, other. Other places come and go, and this has just been the staple, like, whenever.

[Charity]

Adding to my list.

[Kevin Montero]

Like, whenever there's a. Absolutely. Whenever there's a, like a championship, like the Miami Heat or Marlins or something, everyone always goes to, like, ajeta on Bird Road. And everyone's just driving with their pots and pans. Yeah. It's a big, like, cultural thing for sure.

[Charity]

Yeah.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Charity]

This has been so amazing. We've loved getting to know you. Is there anything you want to leave Bachelor Nation with before we go?

[Kevin Montero]

I want to tell Bachelor Nation to be easy. You know, take it easy on us, take it easy on Taylor. That's just.

[Charity]

We're here, like, to do that.

[Kevin Montero]

I know. I know they like the drama and I understand.

[Rachel]

Hello.

[Kevin Montero]

But yeah, I guess everyone does at some point. Let's just. Let's just have a good time. How about that? I just want to leave everyone with. Just have a good time and don't stress the small stuff.

[Rachel]

Amazing.

[Kevin Montero]

I love it.

[Charity]

And where can we find you on socials?

[Kevin Montero]

Instagram. Kevin Montero, 45. And I don't really post on Tick Tock, but I think. I think Tick Tock's. Hi, I'm Kevin.

[Charity]

Gotta start the dance trends.

[Kevin Montero]

Oh, you have no idea.

[Lou Evans]

I'm ready.

[Charity]

TikTok. Following up.

[Kevin Montero]

Yeah, exactly. I've got like 20 followers right now. 22.

[Rachel]

Those were. Those are simple days before you guys blow up, so.

[Kevin Montero]

Yeah, exactly.

[Rachel]

But, Kevin, thank you so much. It was such a joy talking to you. Wish we could talk for much longer.

[Lou Evans]

I know.

[Kevin Montero]

No more questions.

[Rachel]

No, it won't be our last. So we'll have absolutely not happy hour. Yeah. But thank you guys.

[Kevin Montero]

Are the best. Thank you so much for having me.

[Rachel]

This was so fun. Yeah.

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[Rachel]

Rachel, are you ready to welcome our guest in? I'm so Salt Lake City, Utah 32 year old insurance tech founder.

[Lou Evans]

Period.

[Rachel]

Everybody welcome Lou to Bachelor Happy Hour. Hello.

[Lou Evans]

Hello. What's up? You guys are so beautiful. Oh I know you guys have probably boyfriends and stuff like that, but you guys are beautiful woman.

[Charity]

Well, you're our favorite interview of the day already.

[Rachel]

Literally number one.

[Charity]

The energy you are bringing into this room is so exciting and I cannot wait to jump in.

[Lou Evans]

Well, that's good. First off, I want to give my condolences to you Rachel. Oh thank you.

[Charity]

Thank you so much. I appreciate that.

[Lou Evans]

But also at the same time, you know, you know with this social media stuff like I I was scrolling social media and I know this is probably, you know, whatever it is, like you're a beautiful lady. Like you don't need to listen to these dumb people online.

[Charity]

Wait, stop. Not me cry at the seventh.

[Rachel]

No, I was like no, I actually, I love this.

[Charity]

No, thank you so much. Thank you.

[Lou Evans]

I saw that and I was like what is she even talking about? Like this girl is stunning.

[Charity]

Thank you. It has been a wild journey. It can just be crazy being in this world and you're about to be a part of it. So hopefully you know things people are kinder after seeing that. But thank you so much. That means a lot that's very sweet.

[Rachel]

Like, very, very.

[Charity]

Yes, that was so sweet. Well, now, getting into you, Lou, let's get things going. Let's start off. We've been asking everyone at the top, how are you feeling about everything that is going on right now?

[Lou Evans]

This is, this is a lot. Like, I didn't know I signed up for this. I'm going to be honest with you. Like, it's, it's been a lot just trying to stay positive on my own because, like, you know, I, I am a positive, Paul. Like, I can't control, I can't control the uncontrollables. Right? Like, yeah, it is what it is. Like, that's what's happening in the world. Is it, is it bad? Yeah, like, it's, it's not good. Like, let's be real. Like, I, I truly believe, like going on this journey with Taylor, like, she is a good person. Has she made mistakes? Yeah, we've all made mistakes. Right. But she is a down to earth good person that has just made mistakes and it's just unfortunate. And you know, I, I, I wish everything good with all parties involved, especially those kids. Like, those kids love their mother. Like, come on. Yeah, I have a mom. Like, I float towards my mom. Like every kid goes towards her mom and you know, and she loves those kids. Those kids love her. Like, it's just this whole situation is unfortunate and it's just, it's sad to watch. But you know, I know Taylor and, and Taylor's a strong woman that will, she'll, she'll get through this. Like she is. It's got to be absolutely awful for her. And I feel for, and I feel for all parties involved and, and it sucks, but like at the same time staying positive because I can't control anything. Like, exactly. Let's be real. Like, I can't, I can't call up ABC and be like, what are you doing? Why are you doing this? It's like, yeah, you know, and it's just like they got to figure out what it is. And at the end of the day, like, we got to make sure those people tailor the other parties involved. The children are happy. Like, you know, like they're in a good mental state. You know, because that's, that's what truly what matters. Like, at the end of the day, if the show doesn't air, it doesn't air. Like we're, these are people and people's lives that we're talking about.

[Rachel]

Exactly.

[Lou Evans]

So, you know, it is what it is. And, and you know, I can't Control anything.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Charity]

So that was so beautifully. Well said.

[Rachel]

So. Absolutely. Are you in. You know, some of the guys, I guess. Are you guys in contact? How are you guys, like, supporting each other throughout all of this? Yeah. He's like, yeah, yeah.

[Charity]

I want to be added to the group chat. I want to see what everyone says. Oh, please.

[Lou Evans]

Come on. You know, there's always a big group chat, and then there's smaller group chats, you know?

[Rachel]

Yeah, like. Yeah, it's always.

[Lou Evans]

Always, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Charity]

Are you in the smaller group chats as well?

[Lou Evans]

Oh, yeah. I feel like.

[Rachel]

I feel like he knows everybody's favorite. He's a crowd favorite.

[Lou Evans]

Yeah. I feel like I'm a voice of reason. I mean, some of my castmates are probably sick of me for this at this point of, like. Like, I am a positive Paul, like, from the beginning of when it happened, it's like. Like, come on, guys, just be. Yeah, we can't control anything. You can't sit here and call me like, oh, man. Like, come on.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Charity]

Is that what's happening?

[Lou Evans]

You know, when it first happened, I think a lot of people were down in the dumps. Let's not. Let's be real. Yes, they were understood, but it's like, we also have to understand, like, Taylor's going through something hard. It's not just Taylor. It's bigger than us. It's bigger than us. And those are people's lives, you know? And so it's like. But we got to stay positive. Like, there's people that get paid a lot of money to figure this stuff out, and they'll get it figured out. They're good at their job. They've been doing it for years. These people are amazing. These people are great at what they do.

[Charity]

Yeah. This positivity, I'm loving hearing it. I think your outlook is amazing. It's such a crazy thing, because going through this experience is just insane. And then for it to not air or for it to just be in between you and the cast.

[Rachel]

Could not imagine.

[Charity]

That's, like, so crazy.

[Lou Evans]

Yeah. I mean, it's. It sucks, right? Because you. You pause your whole life to go on this journey. But, like, man, am I grateful I went on this journey. Like. Like, how many people get the opportunity? Like, someone told us while we were in the house, it's like, it's harder to be on the show than it is to get into Harvard. And I know these two. They're not similar things, but, like, right.

[Charity]

Like, is that true? Never do that. Who let me in through that Front door. That is a crazy stat.

[Lou Evans]

Crazy. So it's like, though, like, you have to be grateful for the opportunity. And throughout this journey, like, I learned so much about myself. Like, there's a lot of things that I did in dating and stuff like that, that now it's like, dang, Like, I can take that on further. Like, you know, like, you're in a. Like, just imagine, like, friends asked me, like, oh, how was the experience? It's like when someone walks in from a date that. With a girl that you really like, and they're just like, oh, my gosh, I had the best day. And you're like, oh, what's up? Yeah, that's great. Yeah. You're like, what. What is this? Like, what am I going through right now?

[Rachel]

Right.

[Lou Evans]

This is like, oh, I'm so happy for you. It's like, oh, I'm starting to gain feelings. I don't know if I'm really happy, but, like, I'm happy for you. Right.

[Charity]

Oh, my gosh. Wait, Lou, can you walk us through a little bit of your dating history and how you got here? Yeah.

[Rachel]

How did you end up?

[Charity]

Yeah, tell us all about your exes.

[Lou Evans]

Oh, that hurts. Yeah. So the. The most recent one was in a relationship with her for a year and a half. She was older than I was. She was from Utah. I knew her growing up, and she was in a relationship for, I think, 10 years before we got into a relationship. So she thought she was going to get engaged. And then right after that, broke up, and we got into a relationship. Was it really good? Yeah, it was great. But I think there was healing that needed to be done in that relationship, because there was a lot of things that bled into our relationship. And don't get me wrong, it takes two to tango. Right? There were situations where I wasn't ready, too, because there's another relationship before that that maybe I was healing from, and it just. It wasn't the right time. And, you know, that's tough. It's. There was no bad blood or anything like that. It's just like, hey, this is. This is not working out. Because it was like, I just think being on your own is great. And that's what I've done going into the Bachelorette. Right. And that. That relationship was good, family was good, and I thought I was going to get married to her, and it's just. Yeah, I'm. I'm dating to marry. Like, I'm not. I'm not messing around.

[Rachel]

He's not.

[Charity]

I love that. Yes.

[Lou Evans]

Yeah. I'm not playing around with people's hearts. Like, that's. That's messed up. And the relationship before that, I was dating a girl and then she ended up going on a TV show and she ended up getting with someone on that TV show while.

[Rachel]

Oh, wow.

[Lou Evans]

We were still dating.

[Charity]

Wait, what's the TV show?

[Lou Evans]

Can you say Big Brother?

[Kevin Montero]

Whoa.

[Lou Evans]

So it was live stream. So I saw it all.

[Charity]

Watched this.

[Lou Evans]

Yeah, watched it. Got DMS from like 12 year olds being like, hey, did you see this happen? I'm like, yep, sure did.

[Charity]

That's my nightmare. I'm so sorry you went through that. I would have.

[Lou Evans]

Yeah.

[Charity]

I don't even know how you were

[Rachel]

finding out in real time.

[Lou Evans]

Correct.

[Charity]

Can you say who it is?

[Rachel]

Sorry, I'm so.

[Lou Evans]

I'll leave that. Yeah.

[Charity]

Okay. We will tell you. It is. That is so crazy. And I'm so sorry you went through that because going through a public relationship and the cheating, it's insane. I've been there. So I'm so sorry that you had to. To go through that.

[Lou Evans]

It is what it is. But I learned, like, you know, at the end of the day, I'm going to give her a lot of credit because, man, she, she was awesome. She was great. Like, there's a reason I got into a relationship with her in the first place. Like.

[Rachel]

Right.

[Lou Evans]

She was, she was so nice. She was great with my family, great with hers. Like, I love being around her. Her friends were great. We had such good times together. It just, it's just unfortunate and things happen like that and it is what it is. And at the end of the day, like, you just have to walk away from it and it sucks, you know, but like, you learn and you move on and. But like every relationships, there's a reason you got into the relationship in the first place is because, like, you fell in love with that person and you wanted to do life with that person and everything. So, like there's. It's. At the end of the day, you walk away from. It's like, yeah, I learned my lessons, but I'm not mad to. Mad about that person or mad to that person. It's just like, it is what it is and you know it's going to lead me to a different path, which got me on the Bachelorette here, you

[Rachel]

know, so crazy, you know, did you, did you apply or did you get nominated? How did that work?

[Lou Evans]

Oh, long story. You ready?

[Charity]

Yes. Tell us.

[Lou Evans]

Yeah. Like, throughout my life I've had, like, I grew up in Utah where all my friends got married at like 20 years old. And so their wives have always been like, hey, you should, you know, you should get on the Bachelorette. You know, like, we would love to see you on tv. You've got a good personality for it. You're loving, caring, all this kind of stuff. So my friends. Wives would always apply me. My friends would always apply me. And, you know, I look back and I'm like, I was not ready. I would have just. I would have just got out of that limo and pretended like I really liked the person and wanted to get married, but I just. I wasn't ready at that age. I was in my 20s at that time, and I. I wasn't ready. And, you know, this time came around and, you know, the opportunity came to me, and I had been out of a relationship for a year and a half and really worked on myself in a lot of ways of, like, I love Louisiana. Lou is. Lou is awesome. Like, Lou is pretty cool.

[Charity]

This is so mature. You're so refreshing. You've really done the work, which is. Well, I appreciate that you don't really see that. I think, especially in our franchise, it's rare. It's rare. And that is just amazing that this led you to this journey. So you said you're from Utah. Did you know Taylor going into night one? You never know.

[Lou Evans]

I knew about her. I knew about her. Like, you don't. Like when I'm going over to my friend's house and there's what, me? The single one? And there's 10 other married couples with kids running around like, what are they talking about? Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, and they're talking about Secret Lives of Mormon

[Charity]

Wives, both of which I talk about all the time, too. Yes.

[Lou Evans]

So I'm just like. I'm just like, oh, I know who this person is. And also at the same time, like, if you guys don't know, like, Utah is a bubble. And.

[Rachel]

Yes.

[Lou Evans]

So I. I know Miranda from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. So I met her back in 2014.

[Rachel]

Okay.

[Lou Evans]

So I've known her for 12 years now. So, like, yeah, I knew about her. She'd be in her tick Tocks and be in her Instagram posts and all that kind of stuff. And so, like, I knew about Taylor. Did I know her personally? No. Didn't know who she was. So.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Lou Evans]

But, yeah, I mean, if you live in Utah and you don't know who these girls are, like, you are. I think you might be crazy because it's talked about everywhere.

[Charity]

Oh, my gosh. So if you knew Miranda, were you. I Guess in the know for, I guess what was going on a couple years ago with the swinging scandal, how Mormon wives came to be. Did you know all that going into night one?

[Lou Evans]

Yeah, I knew it.

[Charity]

You did?

[Lou Evans]

Let's, let's, let's, let's be real. Yeah, Utah gets a bad rap. And I'm someone that left Utah, 18 years old, and I learned a lot about myself. Like, I learned like, you know, I'd be in situations where I'm, you know, I grew up in a very predominantly Mormon neighborhood with a bunch of white kids. And then all of a sudden I'm playing basketball on a team where I'm the only white kid and I'm with kids from the south side of Chicago and, you know, in Florida and, you know, North Carolina and, you know, upstate New York and New York City, like some crazy background stuff. And I'm just like, I learned a lot about myself. I'm like, damn, I really grew up in a bubble. Like, I, this is refreshing. This is awesome. Because I thought this is the only way. And then you get out and you're like, damn, there's so, you know, like, yeah, yeah, there's so much more out there. And, and it's like, people need to get out and enjoy life and get around different people from different cultures and all that kind of stuff because you learn a lot from it. So, so growing up in Utah, like the, like Mormons get, they get married young, right? There's so much pressure in the Mormon church to like get married young and start having kids. You come off your mission, your two year mission, and your mission president's like, okay, next goal is to get married. You need to get married. You need to get married. And it's pounded in your head, right? Just pounded. And you know, and it's good for some people. Like, all my friends are in the best relationships with the best woman. Like, shout out to all my friends wives, they are the best woman in the whole world and they're be married forever. They have like five kids. I mean, I'm 33 and they've got like five kids. And I'm like, damn, what am I doing wrong here?

[Charity]

Like, no, you are doing all the work.

[Rachel]

You're doing everything. You're doing everything correct.

[Charity]

Oh, my goodness.

[Lou Evans]

So these people get married young and they, they, you know, get married and they have, they start having kids, but then they really haven't experienced life. And so, you know, with social media and everything that's going on, they start to get curious, right?

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Lou Evans]

They've never drank before, they've never had sex. They've only had sex with one person. So they start to get curious and then you start drinking and then some stuff gets involved. And like me knowing all this stuff of growing up in Utah, like, it's just like being in college and stuff happening the same thing in college. But yeah, people are married and should you do that when you're married? No, but like, it's just like, what the. They're, they're curious because they've never been around this stuff before. And you know, it's just, you see it all the time. It's way worse than it used to when I was growing up. Like, I have friends, my sister's friends, she's younger than me. I mean, they're all getting divorced, like, and.

[Charity]

Wow.

[Lou Evans]

Yeah. So it's just like, I think people just get pounded into their head, like, you need to get married young. And then, you know, they get divorced because they're like, oh, there's so much out there. And you know, they just like, they date for like three months, get engaged and have a wedding three months later. So it's like a six month period where it's like they met each other and they're now married. And, you know, so I knew about all this stuff and it's just like, yeah, it's just like these people are curious and they want to do some things. Is again, it goes back to like, yeah. Were those mistakes? Yeah, but it's still, it's. Is Taylor a bad person for doing those things? No. And there was other people involved in that. Are they bad people? No, they just were curious and made a mistake.

[Charity]

It's so well said.

[Rachel]

Yeah. Can I ask, when you were casted, did you know that it was going to be Taylor or did you find that out after you were already like, officially like selected and you're like, okay, we're just waiting to find out who our bachelorette is. Like, how did that.

[Lou Evans]

It was like, real fast. Yeah, it was real fast. Like, it was like I was in talks with people and then like a couple days later, boom, it happened. And I was like, I'm stoked about this because, like, I think Taylor's beautiful. Like, Taylor is. She's hot. And I always said this in the house. I said, you know what? Like, if Miranda were to ever text me and be like, hey, Taylor thinks you're hot. She'd love to go on a date with you a hundred percent. If you haven't dated in Utah, you don't understand because there's a lot of 27, 28, 29, 30 year old woman with two to three kids that are beautiful that you know that you go on dates with here in Utah. There's just a different way of dating here in Utah than there is in other states. And if you don't know it, it's like, whoa, this is weird. And I, I've lived in other states so it's like, yeah, I'm accustomed to what the dating life in Utah is. Is everyone married and divorced? No.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Lou Evans]

But there are very beautiful women in their late 20s that you know are divorced and have kids.

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[Charity]

so have you dated mothers or women with children before?

[Lou Evans]

Like fully dated, like boyfriend, girlfriend? No. Yeah, but I've gone on dates with girls. Like, yeah, yeah, I have. And it's, it's like, do you? Yes. Like, it's. I like it because it's like they are more mature and they know what they want. Right. And it's not everyone. You know, there's still people out there that, that are divorced and have kids and are just immature. But there are, you know, there's a different thing when you start to have kids and you have these responsibilities of taking care of these little gremlins. Like, there is that responsibility. And you know what? They. I, I have dated people like that and gone on dates with girls like that. But like, dated. No. And yeah, you know, it's like you have to be open to those things as you get older because that's just how this is how life is.

[Rachel]

So just. No. I'm like taking in all your.

[Charity]

I know this is crazy. I have another question for you. You said that you grew up Mormon. Have you left the church or are you still practicing?

[Lou Evans]

No, I left the church. I left the church. My whole family left the church at like 14, 15. And I remember driving by our church in our neighborhood, the Mormon Church. My dad was like, I'm so glad I'm not going there today.

[Charity]

We all were like, you guys all left together. I feel like you never hear that. It's normal people leaving on their own. And yeah, it's hard because the family is still in the church, right?

[Lou Evans]

Yeah. And like, my brother is baptized in the Christian church, so he's gone over to be a Christian. My mom's husband, he's also Christian. And then all of us else, we're just nothing. Like me and my sisters, my mom, my dad, we're just. I, here's, here's my thing about religion. I, When I left Utah, I was like. Because it was always pounded like the Mormon church is always. Is the only true church and nothing else. And when I left Utah, I started going to like these Christian, you know, meetups as athletes that they would do. I would, I went to a Presbyterian church, I went to a Methodist church because I'm curious. I'm just a curious guy. And that's just who I am because of growing up in Utah. You were in a bubble, and then you leave and you're like, man, what else is out there? Like, I want to know. Like, I'm here to listen. I'm open to anything, and that's just how I'm in life. Like, I was in a church and we're clapping and standing up, and I'm like, yes, help me in. Like, this is fun. Yeah.

[Rachel]

Like, we're going to church together.

[Charity]

I know. I'm like, this is amazing.

[Lou Evans]

Yeah. So, like, I. I think everything is, you know, like, you just have to try it and be open to anything.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Lou Evans]

I think the. The people in Utah are like, oh, you. The Mormon Church is the only true church. And I'm like, there's just so much out there.

[Charity]

Yeah. What, do you practice now or do you practice at all?

[Lou Evans]

Not really. I know there's something out there, and I know, like, there is a God, but it's just like, what religion is true, you know? Like, I think religion brings a lot of happiness to people, especially the Mormon Church. Like, growing up in Utah, like, my friends are so happy and their marriages are so good, and their fan. Their family dynamics are great. And growing up in the Mormon Church was like that for me. Like, I was a good kid, you know, like, for example, like, I. I didn't drink for 21. I didn't drink for 21 years. Like, wow. Like, that was. You know, and then I turned 21, and, you know, it's like, that'll happen. But, like, I, you know, like, I. I was. I was a good kid, man. I was home by 12 every single night. You know, I was never drinking, doing any drugs, man. I still have this voice in the back of my head that's like, you shouldn't do that. Don't do that.

[Charity]

Don't you feel like you still have trauma?

[Rachel]

It's kind of like, religious. Yeah, a little bit of religious trauma. And I totally can't relate.

[Charity]

Yeah.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Lou Evans]

But it's good. It's good. I like it. I like it because it keeps me on a straight and narrow path to, like, not go down that way. And for sure, you know, there was. There's other people that are in the church that are like, I haven't seen this before. So they just go, balls the wall. And it's just like, like, you're like, whoa. You know, it's like when they first get alcohol, it's like five shots within 10 seconds, and it's like, okay, you're blacked out now.

[Charity]

Oh, my goodness. It sounds like you've just Been through so much, and, I mean, hopefully we get to hear more of your story, because I could probably sit here for an hour and keep asking you these questions. But we are gonna play a little game, if you're okay with that. We're gonna ask you some questions. It's all about you. It's very fun.

[Rachel]

It's your time to shine. Okay. Is your name short for anything?

[Lou Evans]

No, it's just Lou. My mom doesn't make mistakes. It's spelled L, E, W, and it's Lou. Like, people I see online, and I'm like, who names their kid Lou?

[Charity]

And I'm like, people are saying that.

[Lou Evans]

Yeah. Like, my mom doesn't make mistakes. Like, no, it's an awesome name.

[Charity]

We love it.

[Rachel]

That's so real.

[Charity]

Oh, my goodness.

[Lou Evans]

I love my name.

[Charity]

I love your name too. All right, Lou. What is your dirty soda order? Do you go to swag?

[Lou Evans]

Yeah, it's. It's the Taylor, Frankie, Paul.

[Charity]

Does she have an order?

[Lou Evans]

I just. I don't know. I don't.

[Rachel]

Oh, I was like, tell me.

[Charity]

I assume that they have each Mormon wife on the menu, and you order their favorite drink. Like, I assume that's how it is.

[Rachel]

That'd be great.

[Lou Evans]

Mine's like. Mine's like. Like, I. I try to stay away from soda.

[Charity]

Okay.

[Lou Evans]

So it's like. It's called a strawberry refresher, which is like, ice Swig. Call me, because, like, I'm probably gonna be your biggest promoter. It's like ice and strawberries in there with sparkling water, coconut vanilla. Like, it's fancy, but, like, do I get it all the time? No, but is it, like, a.

[Charity]

A.

[Lou Evans]

A fun thing to do? Like. Yeah, I. I was there the other day, and the line was all the way backed up, and I was like, these Utah's crazy.

[Rachel]

No, I. I would be.

[Charity]

Charity is opening up a swag in New York City.

[Rachel]

Open a franchise in New York.

[Charity]

Yes.

[Rachel]

Because I am. I would be the one that's going every single day. I. I love. I love a lot.

[Lou Evans]

You would make bank. You would make a lot of money.

[Rachel]

Because, like, don't worry about it, because we're about to activate that.

[Lou Evans]

I might know some people. I might know some people. So if you ever are.

[Rachel]

Absolutely.

[Kevin Montero]

Yeah.

[Charity]

Oh, my gosh.

[Rachel]

I'm dead.

[Charity]

Okay. I actually am very curious about this. We heard that you once unknowingly hung out with a member of the cartel in Mexico. Can you elaborate on this story?

[Rachel]

Oh, no, not that loud.

[Lou Evans]

Yeah, I was in. I was in Portuguese Vallarta. I was in Puerto Vallarta and I was going to a little town in called Yalapa. It's like you have to get a boat. So you go to ports of Aarta, you take a hour long taxi ride to this port, then you get on this little dinghy boat and you just travel on. And so I'm sitting next to this guy and he's like asking me questions. And we're, we're getting into it, we're having a good convo, like it's going well. And he's like, oh man. Like, what are you doing out here? I was like, I'm coming out here with some friends. We're just having like a little retreat. Like, yeah, it's, it's awesome. And so we're just chilling, chopping it up. And then he's, he's like, where are you staying? I'm like, oh, we're staying at this

[Charity]

Airbnb, not you giving your address.

[Rachel]

No, he's so comfortable. He's comfortable.

[Lou Evans]

Come get me. Come get me. You couldn't even drag me out of bed for all I can.

[Rachel]

No, honestly, I was like, he's, he's six, eight.

[Lou Evans]

Like I'm six eight, 240 pounds. What do you want me, a mission?

[Rachel]

That's a mission.

[Charity]

I'm a good person. Okay, so you told him this?

[Lou Evans]

Yeah, I told him my address. I told him everything. A day goes by, he's texting me, being like, hey, do you want some, you know, extracurriculars or extra stuff? And I'm like, no, I'm good. I'm good. So I'm like, okay, I'm starting to get. And then we're walking through the town. He's pulling up on his motorbike. He's like, lou, my, my boy, come to the casino with us.

[Charity]

He truly is your friend at this point.

[Rachel]

Yeah, he was like, ready to like, lock in the friendship.

[Lou Evans]

Yeah. So I went to the casino with the guy. I went to the casino with the guy. We're gambling, met a couple of his other buddies. And then all of a sudden he's like, dude, tomorrow we're going to this off site campus if you want to come. There's tigers. There's tigers. And I'm like, oh, yes.

[Charity]

The way men can just live their life. Like, we could never. This is crazy.

[Rachel]

I'd be like, I'm sorry. I need to like have like three other friends with me.

[Charity]

So you're going to see the tigers? You say yes, absolutely.

[Lou Evans]

You go, absolutely. Go see tigers and guys with guns and I'm just, like, all hunky dory. I'm like, this is awesome. So, yeah, I went and saw some tigers, and I just, like. My buddy was like. He was himself, and. Sorry for my language, ladies. Himself. He's like, dude, you don't think this guy's a part of the cartel? He's asking you if you want to do drugs. He's. He's, like, asking you to go hang out with tigers. Who has tigers in Mexico?

[Rachel]

Like, yeah, no, it's. It's somebody elite, and there's guns and stuff like that.

[Lou Evans]

And I was like, I don't care if they shoot me. Oh, well, they just love me. They love me. And my guys just. He was hyping me up. We're dapping each other up. We're singing, we're dancing. Yeah, they're giving me. There was this alcohol called racia where they, like, put tequila over a campfire. It was fire. It was.

[Charity]

It was literally fire.

[Lou Evans]

It was really fire. It was so good.

[Charity]

My gosh. I feel like this story is what the church would warn people about would happen if you.

[Rachel]

Yes.

[Charity]

Like, doing all these crazy things.

[Rachel]

He's like, this is light work.

[Charity]

I've done so much more.

[Lou Evans]

If you take me and kill me, that's. It's my time to die. But that would have been cool. Way to die.

[Charity]

Oh, yeah. My way.

[Rachel]

Oh, my gosh.

[Charity]

Lou, you might be one of the most interesting people we've had on this podcast. Truly hope it is not the last time.

[Rachel]

I have one more question, though.

[Charity]

I'm adding one more.

[Rachel]

I'm throwing it in because I'm like. I'm just.

[Lou Evans]

Please ask.

[Rachel]

Obviously, we know you played D1 basketball.

[Charity]

Okay.

[Lou Evans]

Yeah.

[Rachel]

Who is. I guess you're the biggest fan of. Out of these three, who do you consider the goat?

[Lou Evans]

Don't even. Stop, stop, stop, stop right there. No, I'm not even gonna let you finish. Right there. Bingo. LeBron James. You don't even have to.

[Rachel]

You don't even know who else is in there.

[Kevin Montero]

I don't think it don't matter.

[Lou Evans]

LeBron James, you're about to bring up, like. Oh, yeah. I would say myself, like, yeah, now.

[Rachel]

Come on, period. Come on now.

[Charity]

Absolutely.

[Lou Evans]

My sisters do that all the time to me, and I'm like, what the are you doing?

[Rachel]

It's crazy.

[Charity]

Yes. Oh, my gosh. Okay.

[Rachel]

LeBron James. Okay, great.

[Charity]

LeBron. We got it.

[Rachel]

Sealed the deal.

[Lou Evans]

There's no. There's no, like, point to argue it, because, like, the way I'm gonna say it is like, someone's just gonna come back with their argument. I hate arguing it because it's like, there's just no point because, like, you have your opinion, I have my opinion. They pulp waiting disagree. Like, it is what it is. Like, yeah, I get you like Michael Jordan. I get you like Kobe Bryant, maybe Steph Curry, maybe, you know, like, it is what it is. But I'm a basketball guy, and I've seen LeBron play, and, you know, he's breaking records left and right. I mean, he was just. He took a. Yeah, hey. On someone's head at 42 years old. Like, what are we doing right?

[Kevin Montero]

Period.

[Rachel]

There we go. No, him doing this is sending me. Oh. All we need for the clip. This is the teaser right here. Lou, it has been amazing talking to you. You are full of so much, honestly. You're so fun, you're so wise, you're so caring and empathetic. Just 10 out of 10 personality. So we are going to have you back on Bach in the half hour. We don't know when, but this is not. This is not your last time. So thank you so much for coming and chatting with us. It was so great getting to know you. Before we leave, is there anything that you want to share just with Bachelor Nation and what are your social handles?

[Lou Evans]

Yeah, I just want to share with Bachelor Nation just, like, stay positive in these dark times. Like, people are going through a bunch of stuff. It's not just, you know, it's not just the guys, but it's also Taylor's going through something hard. And it's not just. She's not just the only one involved. There's multiple people involved in this, and I just want happiness for everyone. Like, life is good, man. And you know what? Like, you go through some rough times, but, like, man, life is a roller coaster. So just put your hands up and enjoy the ride. And Bachelor Nation, if this comes out, your life will be changed. Your life will be changed, because this is one hell of a ride. And this. It's not just Taylor. It's the cast of guys. The cast of guys, man. Whoever put us together, like, clap it up because, like, these people. Yeah, like, shout out. Shout out to them because, like, it was a. A wonderful group of guys that just. Our personalities were also different. And just, like, during these times, just love one another, man, because we are living in a nasty time in this world. And just like, we. We just need positive in. In this world right now. And, man, it's. Life is good. But you can find me in Salt Lake City Utah at 22 7.

[Charity]

Oh my God.

[Lou Evans]

No.

[Rachel]

But we do want your Instagram and tick tock if you have one.

[Lou Evans]

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[Charity]

Perfect.

[Rachel]

Easy, easy, easy, easy.

[Charity]

Yay. Thank you so much for being here, Lou. We had the best time ever and hopefully we have you back.

[Lou Evans]

Yeah, no, please, like call me whenever you you got. If you can get my number, just call me. Like I. I go on walks and I talk for hours. Like if you need someone to talk to about your problems, issues, like even the good things, like just give me a ring. I'm always here.

[Charity]

Oh my gosh, you're the best.

[Rachel]

All right everyone, that's a wrap on today's episode. We are having just the best time getting to know all of Taylor's guys from her season. And there's more coming your way very, very soon, so make sure that you are subscribed and keeping up with us where you listen on podcasts and following us at Bachelor Happy Hour and Bachelor Nation. See you guys soon.

[Charity]

Bye.

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