Leslie’s Paradise Farewell and Golden Friendships | Golden Hour

Summary

Bachelor Happy Hour: “Leslie’s Paradise Farewell and Golden Friendships”

Podcast: Bachelor Happy Hour (iHeartPodcasts & Warner Bros)
Episode Date: September 22, 2025
Hosts: Kathy, Susan
Guest: Leslie (Golden Bachelor/Paradise alum)

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Episode Overview

This episode, part of the “Golden Hour” series, brings Leslie—fan favorite from Golden Bachelor and Bachelor in Paradise—to chat with Kathy and Susan about her recent Paradise experience, enduring friendships with fellow cast members, dating in her 60s, fitness, personal advice for younger and older listeners, and the joys and challenges of staying open to love. The conversation is spirited, honest, filled with laughter, and peppered with behind-the-scenes glimpses into ‘golden’ reality TV stardom and everyday life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reunion and Golden Friendships

(04:32 – 07:19)

• Warm Welcome: Leslie is greeted joyfully by Kathy and Susan. Leslie jokes about being out of her bathing suit for once, as Minneapolis is unseasonably hot.
• Paradise Arrival: Leslie reminisces about joining the group in Paradise, noting the natural reconnection with fellow Golden Bachelor women.
  • “It was like we had never been without.” – Leslie (06:10)
• Living Together: Kathy and Leslie recall sharing a room in Paradise, teasing each other’s bedtime routines and makeup habits.
  • “Watching Leslie do her makeup and her clothes, I mean, it was just fun.” – Kathy (06:46)

2. Paradise Reflections

(07:20 – 09:46)

• Leslie’s One-Word Review: “Fabulous.” She describes her experience as freeing and less pressured compared to Golden Bachelor, due to the absence of intense competition for men.
• Friendship Over Romance: The cast leaned into friendships, creating a relaxed, “one big happy family” vibe that replaced any sense of rivalry.
  • “It was so freeing. I felt like a big weight was off.” – Leslie (08:54)
• On Not Finding Romance: There were few male options, and the emphasis became fun and sisterhood.

3. Life After the Show: Dating and Moving On

(09:47 – 15:46)

• Dating Status: Leslie shares that she's not currently dating anyone, despite outside perceptions about her being “a catch.”
• Grandkids Come First: Leslie would not leave Minneapolis permanently due to her grandchildren, but says she’d travel for the right person.
  • “If I’m cuckoo, crazy about him, I will follow him to the ends of the earth…but he’s got to come to Minneapolis, too.” – Leslie (11:49)
• Younger Men? Leslie jokes about her age range for dating (not below 55-56, with “young” meaning 60+).
  • “Dating young for me is 60.” – Leslie (12:50)
• What She’s Looking For:
  • Humor and laughter.
  • Shared values, especially political alignment; religion is less crucial, but kindness and fitness matter.
  • “They have to align with my moral compass…It’s more important to me than religion, to be honest.” – Leslie (15:27)

4. Dancing and Fitness

(13:05 – 14:42)

• Dance Life: Leslie’s passion is hip hop and teaching dance fitness (“Dance Jam”), emphasizing she’s a “fitness dancer” rather than a formal dancer.
• Other Fitness Activities: In Paradise, she and Kathy worked out and encouraged each other (29:04).
• Advice for Fitness: For all ages, but especially those struggling with body changes, Leslie urges weight-bearing exercises for bone health and the importance of movement:
  • “Even if you have a small set of weights in your house…you gotta keep moving.” – Leslie (28:21)
  • “It’s a habit. It takes 30 days to get into a habit, I think it takes 30 days to break a habit.” – Leslie (30:31)

5. Advice for Different Stages of Life

On Aging:
(26:09 – 28:21)

• Leslie advises not to fear aging, and to “just live life.”
  • “Never say no to anything…be free and open to things and…experience life, because that’s really all we’ve got.” – Leslie (26:09)
• Take care of your health and body; your body is your “temple” as you get older.

For “Goldens”/Older Adults:

• Focus on weight-bearing activity, balance, and avoiding a sedentary lifestyle.
  • “Anybody can find starting out 10 minutes for fitness.” – Kathy (32:14)
• On post-pregnancy fitness, Leslie says: be patient, show up, and go at your own pace.

6. Favorite Friendships in Bachelor Nation

(21:36 – 23:43)

• Leslie is closest with Theresa, but has bonded deeply with Kathy post-Paradise.
  • “I feel like I came home with, like, six daughters.” – Leslie (23:04)
• Enjoys texting with younger Paradise women and treasures how inter-generational bonds formed.

7. Life Updates and Travels

(24:25 – 25:37)

• Leslie has upcoming travel for charity (suicide prevention walk/run at UCLA) and podcast appearances, and will be teaching dance classes in New York.

8. Light-hearted Relationship Stories

(38:36 – 49:47)

• The trio swaps funny dating stories, including challenges of language barriers, online dating expectations, and the importance of in-person connection.
• Leslie describes a promising Zoom date that fizzled in person, underlining the unpredictability of chemistry:
  • “When you meet somebody in person, it’s just a completely different thing…I think you just know.” – Leslie (45:23)
• Kathy and Susan discuss how their priorities in a partner have shifted over time—moving past initial physical attraction to values and personality.

9. On Openness and Growth

(47:08 – 48:14)

• Leslie reflects that her willingness to be open to unexpected people and circumstances, especially after Golden Bachelor, has grown.
  • “I was open to something different…this is what I’m supposed to do.” – Leslie (47:27)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “It was just different…maybe a little more fun, in a way.” – Leslie, on comparing Paradise to Golden Bachelor (09:16)
• “Hopeful romantic!” – Kathy, correcting Susan and Leslie (12:05)
• “I’m a motivator. I just want people to get healthy and be healthy and strong.” – Leslie (30:50)
• “Never say no to anything. Be free and open to things. Just experience life.” – Leslie’s advice to young listeners (26:09)
• “If I’m cuckoo, crazy about him, I will follow him to the ends of the earth…but he’s got to come to Minneapolis, too.” (11:49)
• “I feel like I came home with, like, six daughters.” – Leslie, on new friendships with younger women from Paradise (23:04)
• “When you meet somebody in person, it’s just a completely different thing…” – Leslie, on dating chemistry (45:23)
• “You gotta keep moving.” – Leslie’s simple fitness mantra (28:21)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Reunion & Paradise Arrival: 04:32–07:19
• Paradise Reflections: 07:20–09:46
• Dating Life & Values: 09:47–15:46
• Dance & Fitness Discussion: 13:05–14:42, 28:21–32:53
• Advice on Aging & Fitness: 26:09–32:53
• Bachelor Nation Friendships: 21:36–23:43
• Upcoming Events & Travel: 24:25–25:37
• Advice for New Moms/Postpartum: 31:28–32:53
• Lighthearted Dating Stories: 38:36–49:47

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Natural Tone & Closing Notes

The conversation is lively, humorous, and candid, emphasizing the value of supportive friendships & candid self-reflection in later stages of life. Leslie, Kathy, and Susan showcase the power of embracing change, prioritizing joy, and staying open to new experiences—just as much as they share practical advice about fitness or relationships.

The episode successfully straddles both substantial, heartfelt advice and joyful reminiscing. As always, listeners are left with a sense of inclusion in the “Golden” sisterhood that Bachelor Nation has fostered—and a reminder that it’s never too late to make meaningful connections, try something new, or do a set of push-ups.

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Transcript

[Leslie]

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[Kathy]

Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hours Golden Hour. Thank you all for joining us. We're so excited to be back.

[Susan]

And make sure to check out our latest episodes because we've been having so much fun, not only answering your questions and chatting with your Bachelor Nation favorites, but giving our advice and our opinions on what you write in.

[Kathy]

Okay, so today we have a very special guest. Please welcome my very good friend, our very good friend from our season of Golden Bachelor, Leslie. Hey Leslie, how are you doing? Welcome, welcome.

[Leslie]

So good to see you.

[Susan]

Long Time, though. See, I was. I had FOMO so bad when you guys were there.

[Kathy]

I almost don't recognize you. Leslie, you're not in a bathing suit, in a cover up.

[Leslie]

Oh, wait, wait, wait. You want to know something? It's funny that you said it. As soon as we're done here, my pool is still open. It's 90° in Minneapolis today.

[Susan]

Oh, my God.

[Leslie]

And I do have my bathing suit.

[Kathy]

Look, she's ready to go.

[Susan]

All right, we have so much we want to dive into today and a short amount of time, so let's get things started.

[Kathy]

Okay, we're going to question you.

[Susan]

First of all, what word would you use to describe your paradise experience?

[Leslie]

One word. Oh, my God. Okay, that's three. I. I know, I'm. There's not one. Fabulous.

[Susan]

That's a good thing.

[Kathy]

I mean, it was, it was. Okay, listen, this is my. My question for you is very self serving. How did it feel reuniting your friendships with the other golden ladies? Hi.

[Leslie]

Well, it was really funny because when I got in the van that first day and you guys are waiting for me because I kind of goofed up on the time, whatever, but you were waiting for me and you're all waiting for me. And I got in and it was like at first I was. You know, we hadn't seen each other in so long and. And it was just like. It was like a beat where I had to go, wait a minute, here are my girls. Okay. Hi, guys. Yeah, it was really. And then it was like we. It was like we had never been without.

[Susan]

Yeah, it was because we had.

[Leslie]

You would have been there. Right there.

[Susan]

That's a well crazy place.

[Leslie]

We never missed a beat.

[Kathy]

And we, Leslie, you and I shared a room in Paradise. And I have to say, sharing a room with you was so much fun. Watching Leslie do her makeup and her clothes, I mean, it was just fun. It was fun to get to know you.

[Leslie]

We did have fun. I mean, my whole bedtime thing, routine. Kathy's sitting there going, what's that now? What's that? What are you doing there? What are you. That's funny.

[Kathy]

Routine of face stuffing.

[Leslie]

I did.

[Susan]

And you don't. Kathy, you do the same thing.

[Leslie]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

Different style.

[Susan]

Leslie, is there anything you would have done differently in paradise had you had the opportunity to do it again?

[Leslie]

You know, I don't think so, Susan. I mean, I kind of just, you know, I'm that kind of girl where I go along to get along. I mean, I just was there. I. I felt really good about experiencing the Whole thing, I felt like Gary.

[Susan]

I thought you guys were.

[Leslie]

Yeah. I mean, right. Wrong.

[Susan]

In the beginning there.

[Leslie]

Yeah, We. You know, again, they didn't. They didn't have a lot of guys for us. So, I mean, it was. It was kind of what it was. But, you know, I felt like we were just kind of. I felt like we were kind of like one big happy family. To be honest, I didn't feel that there was.

[Kathy]

But, Leslie, let me ask you something. So. And actually, to be fair, you and I've sort of touched on this before with Gary Turner. That is the Gary from our season. You were. Obviously, everyone knows you were very emotionally invested and had your heart broken at the time. But now let's fast forward to paradise, what you just said. None of the guys you knew, we all knew. We were all friends. The guys knew we were friends. The gals knew we were friends. Friends, friends, friends. But in a way, didn't it make you for me? I mean, Gary was never interested in me, and I was never interested in him or Gary. But didn't it make it fun for you knowing when you came to paradise, that we were just gonna be there for the youngins? We were gonna have fun together? Wasn't that sort of freeing, in a way?

[Leslie]

How do you feel? It was so freeing. I felt like a big weight was off, you know? And I mean, you know, we had talked about it if our guy walked down the beach, and we would be like, you know, this is our guy.

[Kathy]

Leslie and I kept walking. Leslie, we kept walking down the beach, remember, in the mornings, going down. Where is he? Is he coming? Are they bringing him this morning?

[Leslie]

But, you know. But other than that, I felt it was just, like, so much pressure when people say, did you have a better experience than a golden. It wasn't like a better experience. It was just different and different. It was just. It was just. I. I guess maybe a little more fun in a way, because I felt.

[Susan]

It was more freeing. You had more time, and you got to know. Yeah, couples, too.

[Leslie]

It wasn't just not in competition and not like, is he gonna talk to me? Is he not? You know, that whole thing and.

[Kathy]

Right.

[Leslie]

So it was just different. And maybe I'm different, too. So I don't.

[Susan]

Okay. Tell me about your dating life. Are you out there? Are you dating yet? Anybody special?

[Leslie]

No, no, no to all those. I. I mean, people don't get it, Leslie.

[Kathy]

People don't understand. And I've said this to you when you and I've talked, Leslie, you're a beautiful person. Inside and out.

[Leslie]

Thank you.

[Kathy]

Why men do not, you know, are not. I talk to CK A lot. CK is always saying to me, kathy, why don't you have a guy? Why doesn't Leslie have a guy? Why doesn't Nancy have a guy? And I'm always saying, ck, you know, get your buddies and line them up and send them. Because they don't reach out to us.

[Susan]

I wish you could just answer that. I mean, really, why do you.

[Leslie]

I can't answer. I don't. I mean, you know, part of it, you know, living in a. Living. I'm not a small town. Minneapolis. Not a small town, but I've lived here my whole life. And so I know people. I knew. I knew people before I got on the show, you know, because I was teaching all the time, and I had tons of people in my classes. So. And it's just, you know, it's like a small, big town, so you just know everybody.

[Susan]

If you met the right person, would you leave that town?

[Leslie]

You know, I. I don't know.

[Kathy]

Leslie, come on. We've talked about this. Come on.

[Leslie]

I'm not leaving my grandkids. I'm not leaving my grandkids. No.

[Kathy]

But. But I.

[Leslie]

Would you definite go back and forth. I mean, who wants to be here in the winter? It's. But, you know, but. But I love summers, and I love, like, October is my favorite month. But I. My grandkids are here. But, yes, I would definitely travel. I would go, I would come back. I would keep my condo here all the time.

[Susan]

And I mean, never give up your base. Right? Home base. But you would go, stay with them for a few months and then come back.

[Leslie]

Yes, exactly.

[Susan]

And both parties would have to be willing. Correct?

[Leslie]

Exactly.

[Kathy]

And the reason I pushed you is because you and I've talked, Leslie, and you. You always initially say, I will leave my grandchildren. But you would. You would just like. I would, if, for the right guy, go back and forth.

[Leslie]

If I. If I'm cuckoo, crazy about him, I will follow him to the ends of the earth. You know, that's just. I'm like that. I'm hopeless romantic. But he's got to come to Minneapolis, too.

[Susan]

I've been. I've been. I say that all my life. And somebody corrected me and said, that was me. Hopeful.

[Kathy]

It was me. Hopeful, hope, romantic.

[Leslie]

Oh, okay.

[Kathy]

Susie kept saying, I'm a hopeless romantic. Susan, full romantics. But Leslie, you better.

[Leslie]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

Would you date a lot? Because, Leslie, you look young, you act young. You know, we're going to talk about your dancing In a minute. How young would you date? And I'm serious when I asked this.

[Leslie]

Yeah, I know. Well, I joke about I would never date anyone that's 39, because that's my oldest child, but. And I wouldn't date anyone 49. I don't think I would maybe go 55, 56, because that's 10 years younger. I mean, I don't know. You know, dating. Dating young for me is like 60. I know. I know.

[Kathy]

Like, dating young for you. What, Leslie? Yeah.

[Leslie]

Dating young for me is 60, you know, and I say, I, you know, I'd go younger. 60, you know.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Susan]

But it's not like we're out looking for an age. You know what I mean?

[Leslie]

It depends on the person. I'm not looking for an age. I'm not looking for an age at all. But I, you know, I just. I gotta keep it real, you know?

[Kathy]

Well, also, you know, you work, you teach dance, which I want to know. What's your favorite dance? What is your favorite style of dance?

[Leslie]

Well, it's hip hop.

[Kathy]

But do you dance other dances, though?

[Leslie]

I don't. I've never ballroom danced in my life.

[Susan]

I like Latin.

[Leslie]

Yeah. I mean, I can do it.

[Kathy]

You have never ballroom dance, Leslie.

[Leslie]

Never.

[Kathy]

You'd be good at it.

[Leslie]

Salsa, I mean. Well, when Gary and I went on our date, it was salsa, I guess. I guess. You call that salsa. I was just following his lead. I don't dance like that.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Leslie]

You know, so.

[Kathy]

So, okay, so.

[Leslie]

But I, you know, I dance. I teach. I teach hip hop. I teach kids hip hop. My dance class is called Dance Jam. It's like follow along dancing. And I choreograph every song. So, you know, I mean, when I want to come, I know you. It's so much fun.

[Kathy]

I want to come to a class.

[Leslie]

When people say, oh, you're a dancer? I'm like, I don't really call myself a dancer. I call myself a fitness dancer.

[Susan]

Fitness, exactly.

[Leslie]

Yeah.

[Susan]

And like a fun way to exercise.

[Leslie]

Yeah, exactly. And I mean, of course I can dance, and I've taken dance my whole life in skating, but. And I'm choreographing a bride and her groom dance on Saturday. I do things like that, you know, so. And I've done flash mobs and I've done all that stuff, but, you know, I'm not any. I'm not like Tate McCray or anything like that, you know, so the dancer, who do you.

[Kathy]

Who do you. What are the qualities? Like, I feel like, you know, you've been married before and you've dated. What if you could find the guy? What are the really important characteristics for him to have?

[Leslie]

They have to be funny. They have to make me laugh. I mean, we all love to laugh, all of us. I feel like they. Yeah. Sense of humor. They have to align with my moral compass with. That's a few things. We don't need to talk about that. But they have to align with that. They have to be fit.

[Kathy]

Oh, no, no, no. Wait, wait, wait. Morally, what is a moral compass? Exactly. I think really you're saying. And we don't have to say which side of the aisle you're on. But. But I know for a fact, Leslie, that you want someone who you can. Who shares your political ideology. And that's really important. And there's nothing wrong with that.

[Leslie]

It's important to me. It's important to me. It's more important to me than religion, to be honest. I don't need someone Jewish. You know, I just don't want someone uber religious on whether a Jew or a non Jew. You know, like, I don't want someone. I'm very more traditional Jewish. I'm not like, you know, I don't celebrate.

[Kathy]

Would you live with a guy if you weren't married? Really? Can I tell you a very funny story? You'll laugh at this. You know, I grew up in a very Jewish neighborhood and all my friends were Jewish. And what is the. What is the. Is it Passover when you have to have the separate. In the kosher household? You have to have the separate spoon, separate silverware for milk and dairy? For dairy and milk, yes.

[Leslie]

If you keep kosher.

[Kathy]

Yeah, well, they kept kosher. Yeah, they kept kosher.

[Leslie]

That's nanahe.

[Kathy]

They kept kosher, Right? You're right. They kept kosher. And what did I know? They had to bury the silverware in the backyard. Yeah, I mean, yeah, they did. Moving right along.

[Leslie]

Did you bring a cheeseburger in or something?

[Kathy]

I don't know. I think I dipped my fork and the steak and then dipped it in the yogurt. I don't know. Whatever I did, I screwed up.

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[Susan]

Who would you say you're closest to in Bachelor Nation?

[Leslie]

Well, I mean I'm gonna be honest with you, Theresa and I are very close but I have to say since paradise I feel like I'm really close to Kathy.

[Kathy]

Oh, thank you, I do.

[Susan]

Have you spent time you slept in the same room?

[Leslie]

That's what happens.

[Kathy]

But Leslie, I love you for saying that. I feel the same way, but we've also had some, you know, hard conversations, and I love that. That we can share, because that, to me, is what a really good friendship. Be honest, Whether we're talking about a man. You know, a relationship with a. A man or a. A female friendship, I think those are important, when those are important qualities to have. And you. And I've been able to do that, and I really appreciate that. So thank you.

[Leslie]

Thank you. I mean, you know, Teresa and Ellen and Sandra. I mean, you guys, I. You know, I love all of you guys. I just feel like Kathy, you know, I'm sure you understand the. Susan. She says what. She says what is in her head. There's no filter. And sometimes she says it over and over and over again. And then sometimes. And then sometimes I have to. You have. You stop. You have to stop saying that to me. You know, like, I feel like I could say anything to her.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Leslie]

And not hurt her feelings.

[Kathy]

And I think that I'm gonna take that as a compliment because I. And I do try to not repeat myself, but. You're right, Leslie. I'm. I am guilty of that sometimes, but, you know, when I go on my next date, I'm not doing it.

[Susan]

Do you stay in contact with anybody else from paradise?

[Leslie]

Yeah. Oh, from paradise. Well, you know what I do? I text those. Those young girls. I. You know, Leigh and I are texting a lot. Kat. You know, Paris. You know, I got really close with Parisa. I just love them so much. I say, you know, I'm sure that Kathy feels like this, too. She stayed on longer, but I feel like I came home with, like, six daughters.

[Susan]

Yeah. You know, and how did you watch the end of the show, obviously? And how did you feel about the end?

[Leslie]

I. It was perfect.

[Susan]

The ending was so happy for them.

[Leslie]

Couldn't be. It was exactly what I thought of how I was going to end, to be honest. So I just.

[Kathy]

Can I just say, Leslie, you and I are doing something wrong because Alex and Andrew are in Tokyo, Japan, with Greg. Wait, I don't know what's going on over there, but they're traveling there. Bailey's getting ready to go to China and somewhere else. They were in Portugal this summer. Like, what are you and I doing wrong?

[Leslie]

All right, well, you guys went on.

[Susan]

We go to St. Martin. We go every year, Leslie. The door is always open.

[Leslie]

Well, I want to, but I have my retreat, and I don't know. I'm just. I feel like it's already, like, Piling on.

[Kathy]

Well, you know, sometimes, Leslie, sometimes if you want your life to be different, you gotta do something different.

[Leslie]

I'm going to LA in a week. Then I'm going to New York. And, you know, I am making my own way.

[Kathy]

Wait, what do you want LA for New York?

[Leslie]

Well, I'm going to. I told you I was going to la because I'm going to the kind of. I'm. I'm the smoke spokesperson for the, for the suicide prevention. The, you know, the Katie Hirsch suicide prevention. And they're doing a walk run at UCLA on Sunday the 28th, and I'm going to be there and people can walk with me and God, I would.

[Kathy]

Have loved to have done that.

[Leslie]

Sorry. New York, New York. I'm doing a few things. I'm doing podcast. The timing was never right, but it's right this time. So I'm going to do that and then I'm going to see Stephen Colbert. I cannot wait. It's kind of on my bucket list. I'm taking April. I know, the percussionist, and she's getting me tickets. And so that's great. What date?

[Susan]

When is this?

[Leslie]

That's October 14th or something like that. And Theresa's coming and she's meeting me in New York and I'm going to be teaching a class at Lifetime in Long Island. Oh, you should come to my class at lifetime.

[Susan]

October 10th.

[Kathy]

We'll do this later. We can do this later. You can do that.

[Susan]

We're going to move into our advice portion of the episode. We're going to kick things off with our question of the day. So, Leslie, we definitely would love your thoughts on this. Okay, the question of the day. So many young people fear getting older. What advice do you have to anyone that's afraid of aging?

[Leslie]

That's a good question. But that is an easy one for me to answer because people, the young people, I'm sure they. Same thing with you guys. They come up to me all the time and they said, you make looking older so, like, easy and great. And I don't fear it when I look at you guys and, you know, the golden Bachelor girls. So basically I just say, you know, the other day I did like a Talk with like 15, 22 year olds and they asked me all these questions and I said. And they said, which? You know, they. Same question. I said, you know what, you guys, this is what I say. Just live life. Never say no to anything. You know, always, you know, think first before you say some things, but be free. Just be free and open to things. And just experience, you know, experience life because that's really all we've got. We've got our family, we've got our, our experiences. And you know, I did say you got to take care of yourself because when you get older, your body is your temple and it's really your only thing, you know, that you've got to be strong.

[Susan]

Qualities about aging, like what we know, what we've learned throughout life and you don't worry about the small things so much.

[Leslie]

I know I feel bad for them because they're always worrying about things and I'm like just so hard for us to say that to them when they're so.

[Kathy]

So Leslie, you must be reading our mind because the, the question of the day actually leads into our advice portion of the episode. And so I'm going to ask you a couple of questions and it actually is just a follow on of what you just started to talk about. What advice do you have to Goldens or other adults that are past their 30s? You know that we still struggle with body image and fitness. We, Susan and I get so many write ins asking for advice about dealing with body changes, you know, especially during pregnancy. What advice do you have for anyone struggling with maintaining fitness or finding a place for it in their lives? So it's, it's not just, you know, the 30 year olds. We all. So I'm curious what you think.

[Leslie]

Yeah, I mean I have actually my book club, they're younger than me and they are going through menopause right now and I was just with them last night and I said the best thing you guys can do for your bodies when you're getting older is do weight bearing exercises. I mean we all need to lift weights when we get older because that is what's going to keep our bones healthy. And you know, as far as just, you know, even if you have a small set of weights in your house and just do, you know, you can go online and find any exercise and 10 minute workout, you know, you don't have to. If you don't want to go to a gym, you don't have to. But I would just say, you know, got to keep moving. I mean really, you got to get off the couch. You got to keep moving.

[Kathy]

You and I, Leslie, we've talked about this. You and I in paradise. We were doing our push ups on the beach, lifting weights. We were, yeah, we, we are as fit as any of those youngins.

[Leslie]

Probably I was lifting Kathy over my head.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

But probably more fit than some of them.

[Susan]

But here's I'll pay to see that.

[Kathy]

Yeah, no, that's overstated the case. Just a tit, but one. I train with weights. I have a trainer. I train. I'm in the gym three days a week. I power walk. You know, we talked about it last year.

[Leslie]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

But one thing that I think goldens, really, anyone over the age of between 40 and 50 and onwards, it's all about fitness, keeping your bones strong, all of that, being able to move. But it's also about not breaking bones, right. And having balance and having strength. Because as we get older.

[Leslie]

I broke my elbow, you broke your wrist.

[Kathy]

I mean, and it's because freak accidents are going to happen. But when we, you and I and people who work out a lot, if we tend to, you know, jostle and lose, we can regain our balance because we've done. We spend a lot of time doing.

[Leslie]

Except when you're walking in heels and water, then you fall and break your elbow.

[Susan]

But take it for me, one that didn't work out ever. And it's never too late because I've just begun and I am lifting. And it's a struggle. It really is. But to me, it's like a challenge.

[Kathy]

But it becomes a part of your life, Susan, if you do it long enough.

[Leslie]

Yeah, you know what, you guys, It's a habit. A habit. It takes 30 days to get into a habit. I think it takes 30 days to break a habit. Whatever.

[Susan]

But there's people that are struggling saying, well, I never worked out.

[Kathy]

I'm going to do this.

[Susan]

I can't do that. You can do it. You can.

[Leslie]

Yeah, you can.

[Susan]

It's important. And just put one foot in front of the other.

[Leslie]

I mean, it's easy for me to say because it's always been a part of my life. Well, yes, I never had to start somehow, you know, but I would just, you know, I'm a motivator. I just want people to get healthy and be healthy and strong. And, you know, some young people need to get up and move, too. It's like, you know, the good thing about, like, the Pilates craze with, like, I teach up every former class, but that is helping younger people exercise because they really like that class and they're, like, in there all the time.

[Susan]

I love the reformer.

[Leslie]

So. Yeah. So it's hard. Kind of a movement. It is hard. I know.

[Kathy]

What do you tell women, Leslie? Cause I'm sure you teach them in your dance classes, women who've just had babies, pregnancy. Because for me, that was a struggle to get fit again. After having babies, you know, do you have those ladies in your class?

[Leslie]

Well, I do have people coming in, but I just always say take it slow. You know, even in my reformer class today, I had somebody that just had a baby, and she just did what she could. I mean, you. You're showing up. You're. That's the first. That's the hardest part. You're showing up, you're there, you're ready to go. Whether you do half the class or a few exercises, Take a break. I don't care. And I always say that to people. Don't worry if you can't follow me. I mean, just go at your own pace.

[Kathy]

It's funny when people talk about finding time, finding a place in their lives for fitness. I've said this to Susan, like, put down your games on your computer. Everyone has 24 hours in their day. Anybody can find starting out 10 minutes for fitness. And you don't start out like you and I do, lifting weights and working out the way we do. But we didn't start. You know, we didn't start this yesterday. And so that's my advice to people.

[Leslie]

Is I would say start with, you know what the best exercise is? Push ups. You start on your knees, you do five, you add the next day, you.

[Kathy]

Add a couple more or against the kitchen counter. It doesn't.

[Leslie]

My bureau.

[Susan]

I did the 50 challenge. 50 squats, 50 pushups. Yeah.

[Leslie]

Yes.

[Susan]

It's not.

[Leslie]

And sometimes When I turned 50, I did 50 in a row on my toes. Then only once. And that was. That was a long time ago.

[Susan]

But only once.

[Leslie]

I'm doing it.

[Kathy]

And then you And I did 100 in Paradise.

[Leslie]

Oh, I. I do 100. But I did was 20 at a time. Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying.

[Susan]

You can't do it all at once. If you can only do 10, and then an hour later do 10, 10 or 15 more.

[Leslie]

You should have seen me in the hotel room. I probably 200.

[Kathy]

You and the.

[Leslie]

Every. Every five minutes. Okay. I might as well do another.

[Kathy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Susan]

That's healthy. That's healthy.

[Leslie]

All right.

[Kathy]

Well, we. Your advice is great. I mean, everyone knows Leslie is synonymous with dance and fitness, so we appreciate your advice on that.

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[Kathy]

We've got to ask you some questions Leslie.

[Leslie]

Okay. Sorry, my dog is bothering me right now. Okay, go ahead.

[Susan]

We're going to let you ask us anything you want.

[Leslie]

Oh, I get to.

[Susan]

Instead of us quizzing you, you get to. The floor is yours.

[Kathy]

Be careful. I have your Number.

[Leslie]

Be careful.

[Kathy]

I have your number.

[Leslie]

I know. Do I ask you separately things?

[Kathy]

Whatever you like.

[Leslie]

Okay. Susan, tell me about your boyfriend.

[Susan]

So are you in love? Yes. Kathy and I were on vacation and I had an espresso.

[Leslie]

I know how you met him. Yep. Yes.

[Susan]

And communication was difficult in the beginning, but he's a charming gentleman.

[Leslie]

Are you learning French?

[Susan]

So I've taken every course. I'm starting to be able to read it and understand it. But when I speak, I sound like I have a Spanish accent.

[Kathy]

She sounds like she's from bronze.

[Susan]

Or I could do. That is funny. I could say, but that is funny. I'm not good at it at all. He however, has a heavy accent when he speaks his English words. And we could crack up because he'll repeat the same word 12 times. And he gets louder. And I go, I don't know what you're saying. And then finally it'll dawn on me, Kathy, remember Fort Knox? And I find I go, fort Knox. I say this, I go, no, you didn't say.

[Leslie]

You thought you were saying things like that. But when it's reading. My ex husband is French, but he does. I mean he speaks English, but he does have a heavy accent in it. Yes.

[Susan]

If it's really, really important, he'll say this is important. And we both run and we get the translator so that we can speak freely.

[Kathy]

Wait, Leslie, did you speak French?

[Leslie]

No. I mean I took French in school, but I mean I understand it way better than I can speak it.

[Susan]

You do?

[Leslie]

See, I don't understand. And he speaks French to my grandson. And so my grandson, my daughter in law is Mexican, so she speaks Spanish to him. And then David speaks French to him. And then Eli speaks. He's teaching him Hebrew, so he's got.

[Susan]

He's good.

[Leslie]

Four languages.

[Susan]

That's how it should be.

[Leslie]

I know, I know. I wish they would have done that for me. But there. Okay, Susan, I don't know if you know this. That new iPods, AirPods that have a translator built in.

[Susan]

I have them. I have them. We have glasses, we have the ear. But you always need this.

[Leslie]

Always.

[Susan]

You have to have. And that's annoying. And he says, darling, how are we going to learn? And I get you right.

[Kathy]

Wait, can I just tell you, Susan, I don't know if I've told you the story, but Liz, you'll get a crack out of it. I noticed, Liz, you had no questions for me. We'll take that up later.

[Leslie]

I do have a question for you.

[Susan]

Curious about.

[Kathy]

What is a code for.

[Leslie]

Text what am I supposed to do? I asked Susan. Now I'm going to take. I was going to ask you, do you miss paradise as much as I do?

[Kathy]

Yes, I do. I. You. When you said earlier in this podcast that, you know, you enjoyed paradise, but. But it was different. Oh, comparing paradise to golden. For me, I know. I loved paradise. I loved being like you said, having these young adults that actually cared what you and I thought and wanted to be around us and, And. And spending time with you and. Yeah, I like when I came home, it was rough.

[Leslie]

When I came home from. From Golden Bachelor, I missed you guys. I just didn't miss. Yeah.

[Susan]

When you went through something we didn't.

[Leslie]

Yeah, that's true. I was dead.

[Susan]

Always.

[Leslie]

This I miss. This I miss. I do miss the Youngins, you know, I just. I love them so much. But that was my question.

[Kathy]

Yes, I do. Okay, but I just have to tell you a very funny story. I haven't met this guy yet, but I'm probably gonna meet him. But he called me on the phone to chat with him and very funny, very nice guy. Haven't met him yet. No. No phone calls in, no emails. I don't know anything very little about him. But the reason he wanted to call and talk to me first was he was on a dating site and he drove an hour and a half to meet this woman, and they sat down for dinner, and he said, she was very pretty on the dating app. And he said, we sat down and she had three words of English. And I burst out laughing. I said, well, hell, I'm ahead of the race here. I have way more than three words. And he started laughing and I said, I have to ask you because you know me a million questions. How did that go? He said, we spent a lot of time staring at our phones, translating, and I thought to myself, oh, my God. And he said, but I learned a very important lesson. I said, what did you learn? He said, at least have a short phone conversation with the person before you invite them out for dinner. Can you imagine?

[Leslie]

I have to hear the person's voice. You would want to check.

[Susan]

Share that with someone, wouldn't you?

[Leslie]

By the way, I don't speak all that way. I'd have to hear the voice. The voice is important to me. The way they talk, if they have good grammar.

[Kathy]

Well, you heard what happened to me when I corrected Brian's grammar, so I'm out of that game.

[Susan]

Well, Fred, our first date, he said, I hope you speak French better than my English. Do you have ear pods and do you like to dance? And the earpods. As soon as we met, he took my phone, he downloaded the app. Kathy did a little bit of French. She stayed one drink and left. And then for three hours, I was looking at a phone, and at one point I said, you know, where I come from, when I go on a date or meet somebody, I usually make eye contact, and I can't even tell you what color your eyes are. And we start cracking up.

[Kathy]

But wait, Leslie, I want to know. Have you ever met a guy where. Like, I've talked to guys on the phone and I'm in love with their voice, and then I meet them. Like, where is this for? Where's the closest exit?

[Leslie]

Well, that happened to me, but it was even worse. I spent two hours on a zoom.

[Susan]

With them, and you couldn't. Wait, what was different?

[Kathy]

Wait a second. Oh, wait, you're in now, Leslie.

[Susan]

I know.

[Leslie]

Okay, so this. So my friend worked for this talk if I. It's called talkify. They match you up. And she. She was. And she knew I was going to New York for something. This was a year ago or so, maybe. Yeah, a year ago. And so she said, I have a guy. He's Jewish. He. Blah, blah. He said, okay. All right. So I spent two hours on a zoom with them, and he was really nice and cute, and we had so much.

[Susan]

You were looking forward to it, right?

[Leslie]

Yes. And we just met for coffee again, I happened to be in New York. I didn't go to New York to meet him, but he met. But it was as soon as we met in person. Done.

[Susan]

None.

[Leslie]

It was.

[Susan]

Why? What do you think it was done.

[Kathy]

For you or for him or both?

[Leslie]

I don't know. For him, it was. For me, the vibe wasn't there. He. He had a little bit of a.

[Kathy]

A little bit of a what?

[Susan]

Cross eye. I'd be staring at it. I'm such an ass.

[Leslie]

But on the zoom, he was looking at scream. But not like this way, but kind of like this way. So I couldn't see. I did not. I don't know. I'm sorry. He was so nice. I'm sorry. That's not nice. But I'm just saying, I think you just. When you meet somebody in person, it's just a completely different thing. I don't know.

[Susan]

I thought you would have helped, though. I really did.

[Leslie]

Me too.

[Kathy]

I don't know. I've never zoomed with a guy and then met him, but I. I have talked to so many guys on the phone that have the best voice, and then I meet them and I'm like, I'm so out. I'm so. Because it doesn't take me long. Like, how long does it take you, Leslie, when you meet a guy to know if you're interested?

[Leslie]

I'd say 15 seconds, three to five.

[Kathy]

You're saying 15 is giving.

[Leslie]

That's a lot. I know.

[Kathy]

I don't know. So here's the thing with me now, and I say this earlier, but, Leslie, beyond. Of course, you're younger than I am, but I. In my mind, I have this image of the man, the look that I would like, but I'm trying to get over that.

[Leslie]

I do.

[Kathy]

I'm trying to just be open to whatever they bring.

[Susan]

And should that be settling, Kathy?

[Kathy]

No, actually, I'll tell you why. Because I'm changing what I want.

[Leslie]

If I feel that I feel that way.

[Kathy]

Yes.

[Leslie]

I feel like after the show, and me. And me being very invested in Gary, our Gary, I feel like, you know, that's not the typical person that I would normally go.

[Susan]

Right.

[Leslie]

And I actually like the fact that.

[Susan]

I was open to something different.

[Leslie]

Exactly. So I was like, oh, okay, I'm growing up.

[Susan]

You know, I mean, being a big girl.

[Leslie]

Yeah, exactly. I'm like, okay, this is. Is good. You know, this is what I'm supposed to do. I'm supposed to be open. My daughter's last words to me, be open, mom, don't. You know.

[Susan]

Yes.

[Leslie]

So I was. And then, you know, so. And so that was good.

[Kathy]

I'm glad that you gave it the old college. Right. To be clear, Leslie, you gave the old college try. I thought very appropriately, with Gary, you know, you went to see if there was something there. You came, you saw, you didn't. You know, it was what it was. But I'm saying it. When we. When I was younger, I would meet a guy, he didn't have to open his mouth. I would just look at him. And if I wasn't thinking he was attractive.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

And now that's not settling, Susan, to answer your question, because I'm now realizing that, look, I don't look great compared to what I look like when I was 30 either.

[Leslie]

Well, I mean, we're getting older, right?

[Kathy]

And so now I want to give men a chance to see what their personality is like. Are we compatible? You know, those things, to me, are becoming more important. Like, we. We had talked to April. We had her on a podcast, and she was talking about, you know, the look that she likes. And. And, you know, April, that's. That's her world. But I sat there listening to her thinking, I have. I guess I really am changing because, you know, if I.

[Susan]

It's like a body type too and forever. They had to be built and I don't care a few extra pounds. I don't care about that. It's who you are and how I feel when I'm with you.

[Leslie]

You know, I want someone that has. That takes care of himself, because I do. So I want someone that does that as well.

[Kathy]

Right. But the point is, Leslie, you don't care. Or maybe I'm putting words in your mouth. You don't seem that you care if the guy is Adonis fitness level. Just a guy who goes to the gym, rides a bike, takes care of himself, takes care of. May not be as thin as ever.

[Leslie]

I mean, they don't have to do all the things that I do. I mean, you know, if they ski and snowboard, that's bonus. But if they don't, that's fine. If, you know, you know, I. I'm fine with that. I just want someone that takes care of themselves. That's all, you know.

[Kathy]

Oh, gosh.

[Susan]

Well, I hate to burst this bubble, but you know what time it is.

[Kathy]

It's time for you to go out and find a guy for Kathy and Leslie.

[Susan]

That's going to do it for this episode of Bachelor Happy Hours Golden Hour. Leslie, thank you. Thank you for joining us. I miss you. We're definitely. We always say let's plan something and it never happens, but we.

[Leslie]

Oh, my God. If you're going to be in New.

[Susan]

York and, you know ahead of time, let me know. I'm a couple hours away so I can get to.

[Kathy]

And you know, you have an open invitation to Austin. Thank you for coming on, Leslie. You always give great advice. And thanks to all of you out there for joining us. Be sure to follow Bachelor Happy Hour because we have new episodes coming every week and you don't want to miss even one.

[Susan]

Definitely not. Make sure to keep submitting those questions because that gives us something to talk about. And our guests give their input as well. And you know how to do it. You can go to bachelornation.com golden hour or you can DM us on Instagram at Bachelor Happy Hour.

[Kathy]

Listen to Bachelor Happy Hours golden hour on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you listen to your podcast. Until next time, have a great week.

[Narrator/Promo Voice]

Chapter 18. Prince Lorian's voice gently wakes you from your dreams of him.

[Leslie]

I can't face one more sunset without you by my side. Come with me and I vow your desires will be my North Star forevermore.

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