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Latia
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Rachel
Hello, and welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Rachel.
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Charity
And I'm Charity. And today we have a very special guest. Everyone, please welcome from Grant season lat. Hello.
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Latia
Thanks for having me.
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Charity
Listen, we are so excited to chat. I feel like I haven't seen you since. Was it Zach and Katie's wedding? It's been a minute.
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Latia
I think December.
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Charity
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's been a long time, but you are glowing. And how's life?
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Latia
Life is good. It's. The holidays are over, so I feel like I'm finally, like, getting back into my routine, doing my New Year's resolutions, just getting everything tight, ready for summer.
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Charity
What are your New Year's resolutions?
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Latia
I'm trying to be more social. I was kind of a little bit of a recluse. I was a stay home girl last year and it was so fun. It was so nice. But I'm ready to get out there a little bit this year.
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Charity
I love that. I think you're well, in your way.
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Latia
Thank you. I can't wait to hear about it. Me too.
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Rachel
I mean, we have so many questions for you today. I'm first of all, so excited to have you on because I don't know if we've met.
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Latia
We haven't. I have always been a Rachel Recchia fan.
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Rachel
Oh, my God. Thank you so much. I. I'm a huge Latia fan. I have been doing a deep dive on all things you this morning. But first, I know that you and Charity are friends. How did you guys meet?
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Latia
Oh, so Charity and I met because Katie Bigger came and did a chat with me the week of fantasy Suites, and I hit it off with Katie. She was like one of the first people that I called when I got home from filming. And so we just got close and then there was like a trip they went on in Montana. So I was like, oh, you guys are kind of in my neck of the woods, and they let me come. Yeah. All the girls from Zach season were on that Montana trip for Jess's birthday, and so I got to meet Charity. Yeah. Yeah.
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Charity
That was our, like, our first little interaction, and obviously, we were chatting all the things, so just having some good, quality girl time.
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Latia
It was a memorable trip.
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Charity
Yeah, it definitely, definitely was. That's for sure.
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Latia
Yeah.
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Rachel
I love it. That was before Grant season was airing, right? Or was it during?
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Latia
I think it was, like, right as it was airing. I'm trying to remember. I feel like birthday in February.
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Charity
Yeah.
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Latia
So it would have started in January, I think. So it had. Maybe we were a few weeks into the season.
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Charity
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's right before all the.
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Latia
A year ago. It's a year ago yesterday, I was about to say premiered.
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Rachel
It feels like longer than a year somehow. But I think it's because your season just, like, keeps coming up. Like, I feel like it is the topic of conversation at all times.
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Latia
Insane. It's insane. It's the thing that won't go away.
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Rachel
Truly speaking of. I don't know if you saw. Well, I mean, there's so many things. We were literally talking about this before, but Juliana was just on Happy Hour, and she was talking about it again, and I know she had a couple things to say about.
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Latia
Did you say.
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Rachel
No, I didn't.
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Latia
I did see that she was on. I did see that she was on. I don't know what you're gonna say. I'm.
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Rachel
Well, I was just curious if you heard it, because I. I went back and listened to it. I know that she was talking to Joe and Serena, so this is before Charity and I were on, but she was talking a little bit about fantasy suites, and I guess some speculation around that, as well as the aftermath of everything. I guess you guys don't talk then, and.
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Latia
We do not.
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Rachel
What she said.
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Latia
No, yeah, no, I heard that she was on. I heard that she was unhappy with something that I said on a podcast. I'm unclear on what specifically she was talking about. I think. I think I said that Grant was talking about their fantasy suite, and she didn't like that I was repeating it, which is fair. Like, I. I mean, it's a sensitive subject, and.
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Charity
Yeah, totally.
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Latia
It's like, I think there's no right way. Like, no one knows. There are so many things before that that you're thinking about that when you. I mean, you guys know when you get to that week, you're like, oh, like, at that point, you're so tired and exhausted that there's no handle it the right way. You just have to do what you think is best. And yeah, I feel bad if she thinks she doesn't like something that I said because I don't mean any disrespect. And I know that it's sensitive, obviously. Like, yeah. Like, I was. I talked at length about it with Grant on that week because I was like, so, you know, I knew how sensitive it was. And people judge women on that week and so. And they like, you know, I think, yeah. Fill in the blanks if you don't fill it in forum. And so she's right to be sensitive about it. 100 and I feel bad if I said anything offensive. That wasn't my intent.
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Rachel
No. Yeah. I don't think it was anything insensitive. Yeah.
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Latia
At all.
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Rachel
I just heard that she was.
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Latia
I don't either, by the way. Yeah. But it doesn't mean that it. That you know. It doesn't. Just because I didn't mean to offend someone doesn't mean that that's how it landed. So I feel right how it was taken, you know.
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Charity
Yeah. No, I think, like, you. You have like, the right mindset. I mean, you guys think everyone a year later is coming to terms with everything. And I think just like, being able to be reflective on, you know, you guys a season and everything that transpired. So I think everyone's like, in the best spot that they can be in considering all things. So I think that's very, like, mature of you to say. But yeah, you know, I think as you sit with things, that's typically what happens in this franchise is like, you know, we have one feeling about something in the moment, and then it's like two years later, we're like, wait, okay, now I really totally the full scope of everything, you know, so those things are always evolving. But I like different things hit you.
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Latia
Sideways, like, at different times too. I think, like, sometimes, like I think of things are like, I'll see a clip. And I'm like, oh, yeah. I didn't like that. I wish I would have said that different or whatever. But you live in.
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Rachel
I thought you handled yourself so beautifully. I loved watching you on Grant season. We don't have to like, stay and linger on the bachelor stuff because I sure so many questions about you and what you have been up to. Sense.
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Latia
Mm.
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Charity
I do want to ask like before we like, wrap up just like, obviously talking about like. Yeah. But like, I do love to like, kind of like what I was just Referencing to. About. Like, after a certain amount of time has passed, like, obviously people have.
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Latia
Yeah.
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Charity
Different feelings about everything. So, like, obviously, like we mentioned, been essentially a little after a year. Like, a year to this day of you guys, this season airing. And, like, obviously, there's so much, like we said has transpired in between that. But, like, how do you feel? Like, being where you are at now and, like, being able to reflect and sit back on everything? Like, how do you feel about everything?
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Latia
Yeah, sure. I think that I look back on it so fondly. I don't know how you guys felt, but, like, I had much so, so much fun. It was so fun for me to meet the girls. I still talk to most of the girl. Like, I talked to, like, Alicia yesterday, Alex this morning, Seraphina. Like, I'm texting her. Like, we're still, like, very close and keep in touch and stuff. And our season is just. I mean, I don't know if it's like this for you guys, but, like, it's just stuff keeps coming up. Like, you know, people. People on lives, people in comment sections, people on podcasts. Like. Like, it just keeps coming up. So it's fun to not be a part of it, I guess, anymore, but just to watch. What?
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Charity
Yeah.
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Latia
Oh, my gosh. Yeah.
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Charity
I'm like. I'm like.
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Latia
I don't care. Yeah.
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Charity
Interesting.
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Latia
Yeah.
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Charity
The lives. I'm not really sure. And I'm. This is a safe space. It's a safe and a public space, so we absolutely can't chat about it. I don't know if.
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Latia
What do you guys think about it?
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Charity
I think it's strange. I think there's a lot of things that are happening that are strange, and no t. No shade. I just want to be very clear. So everyone who hears this. No T, no shade, but the one in specific that I am referring to, obviously, I know Grant means well when he's like, you know, I think he's, like, in. Essentially kind of probably in this, like, rebranding moment of his life, which is very understandable, obviously, considering the way everything kind of unfolded. But I'm like, okay, you know, with the. The lives are very. It's just a very thin line to, like, you know, tread on. And I feel like, you know, how frequently they have.
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Latia
It's so vulnerable. Right, Right. So vulnerable. Because, yeah, people are just leaving comments and, like, going off, and you can't, like, control or moderate or, like, filter any of it. It's just, like, a reaction in real time. And I think, like, one thing looking back on now. And I was like, I think about this a little bit because when I. When you're going through it and everything is airing, it's like you're drinking from a fire hose, right? Like, this is, like, so much speculation and attention, and, like, it's. It's fun, and it's so exciting. But then, like, I think one of the things that I didn't think about as much during, like, as it was airing, but I think about now is, like, Grant being the second black bachelor. I think that there was, like, a lot of weirdness, but I do think that there was a lot of extra speculation and scrutiny because of that. And I feel like I got also extra scrutiny for that reason with, like, my reaction and the breakup and stuff. And so I think, like, as I have learned more about, I don't know, like, you know, just microaggressions and being treated differently. A person of color. Those are things. I look at the reaction that the world had to him or to me or to 1000% people of color. Like, I look at it through that lens now that I'm like, you know, maybe we should have just been a little bit kinder. And I think, absolutely, it's not. I don't know. Like, I just. There's. I think, a lot of internalized biases that people aren't necessarily aware of that influences the kind of tone that people take with it.
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Charity
I love that you.
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Latia
I don't know, like, ignorant, which is what.
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Charity
No, it 100 makes sense. And I'm like, for me, that's why I'm like. I always kind of do have this, like, soft spot in my heart for him, because I do understand. I'm like, obviously also being a lead that was of color. So I'm like, I get it. I get that you almost kind of have to, like, walk this line, especially within this franchise. But even just coming into reality TV space in general of, like, doing things almost, like, so perfect that you can't make a mistake. Like, you don't really have room to make a mistake, which I think, again, like you said, watching it back, you see, like, oh, and probably for him, too, is like, in those moments, you don't realize it until after you're watching it back and after everything is, like, you know, edited and this is the final product, it's like, oh, I could have done this better. I could have handled this. I could have not said this. Or even the aftermath of, like, you know, press and all of that. So I think, like, for him, that definitely probably is weighing A weight on him and probably still is. It's kind of something I think you will always carry with you because, you know, depending on the things that people send to you or whatever, it's like, that's. That's just stuff you have to live with and deal with and navigate on your own. So, like, for that reason, I'm like, I'm glad you said that, because I do have a soft spot for him. But then there, I'm also. I'm like, I just want to be like the little birdie in your ear being like, it's okay. You don't have to do a live today. Like, it's okay. Like. Like, you know, let people, like, realize, like, whatever they want to think about you. And, like, I. I know that's probably a long work in progress. It was for me, like, I was kind of similar. Of like, oh, the things that I would see. I was like, oh, I would take it to heart. But then I'm like, no, you know what? I'm gonna let you guys figure out what you need to figure out about me. It's not true. I know myself. And, you know, it's like, those are. Those are work in progress. I think that he just has to come to terms with. So I do. I. I wish him the best, but I'm like, the lives. Wait a minute. Just hold on.
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Latia
Grant. I haven't. I haven't seen him, but, like, I think the gist of them is, like, they're. It's like, dating.
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Charity
Yeah, I think that. Yeah.
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Rachel
Well, I just had seen a couple, and I guess. Latia, I wanted to get your opinion. You talked earlier, and, I mean, we all feel this a year later, looking back, you can digest everything. And I think maybe now he's ready to talk about things, because, I mean, when I was watching, and I feel like when a lot of people are watching, they assume that you two were gonna end up together. So a lot of these questions are centered around you and kind of like, what happened? And I think he did bring up the religion and the aspect of feeling blindsided by it. Did you see any of that?
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Latia
No. I mean, that's been a common thing that he has said. I think initially in press, he was very much like, no, no, no, it wasn't religion. But then more recently, he's like, no, no, it was religion. So I. I mean, I don't really know where it was. Like, I don't know how much of it was. I know that I talked about it on our first one on one day in la. But he says it was in Scotland. I know that's not true, but it's. To me. I brought it up again. Yeah, I brought it up. And I'm like, I hate to split hairs now because it doesn't matter that much.
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Charity
Right.
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Latia
And I think if it is the religion thing, that's totally fair. Like, that's such a, like, valid reason to not choose, like, a life partner, like, if you don't agree on those things. But, yeah, I, I. The story kind of changes a little bit every time I hear it, which. And I'm not hearing it straight from the source, so he could be saying the same thing. And it just depends on who it happens, who happens to hear it, and how they choose to write about it or whatever, or send it to me, like, different clips. But I'm sure that religion played a role in it. But I think the most surprising part to me was that anytime I ever brought it up, he was like, no, it's not an issue. What do you mean? No, that's totally fine. No.
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Rachel
Really?
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Charity
Yeah, I feel like. Yeah. And, like, obviously I'm like, you can probably answer this, but, like, I was doing a lot of, like, analyzation just watching you guys this season, and then obviously, like, how things, again, played out afterwards, and I'm like, do you feel like. I feel like, I don't know, there's just, again, certain things that I'm like, oh, I see parts of myself maybe in Grant, like, you know, before I did the whole therapy thing and, you know, worked on myself. But I do feel like maybe a lot of that was coming from a place of, like, people pleasing or just, like, kind of giving the answer that he maybe thought you wanted to hear at the time, rather than, like, staying true to, like, I guess, his initial beliefs or concerns or whatever. Does that make sense? Kind of what I'm saying of, like, him saying, yeah, totally, no big deal, versus, like, saying, like, okay, it potentially could be a big deal, but right now, like, we're still evolving in our relationship. Maybe that's a bridge I'll cross when I get there or, like, we'll have a later conversation. That's not really how it ever went with you guys. It was always just like, a yes right out the. Out the gate. Yeah.
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Latia
I mean, yeah, that I think, to me was like, it's obviously, of course it's the Bachelor. He's dating multiple women. I know that. It's like, even if he says that it's me or whatever, that he's still pursuing other relationships. And so Until I'm the last person left. Obviously, that's an option. So I really can only rely on the conversations that we're having where we are. I am bringing up important things that he. Like, in my opinion, information that he would want to know when he's making these decisions. And so if there was anything that was a cause for concern or changed the nature of the promises that he was making to me, that those would have been addressed. And they. And they weren't. So I think that was like, my disappointment was like, of course you can have. Of course you don't have to pick me. Even if you said a million times that you were going to, because I know what else is going on. I wish that you wouldn't make those promises, but he did, and it's okay. Like, you know, everything works out the way it's supposed to. But I think my issue was that, like, they weren't brought up so that we could have a discussion about it. It was just like, if that. If that was the reason why. Which.
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Charity
Yeah.
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Latia
Before he said it wasn't the reason, and then later it was the reason. I don't know. I think, like. And also, it's tough because he was engaged to somebody else when it ended. So I think that answers, you know, sometimes would a little bit be catered to her feelings because he can't say, well, it was the other girl's religion. He has to say it's because my feelings were stronger for the person I'm engaged to. Which is also probably true. Like, both things can be true. I don't know. I. Like. Yeah, that was a jumbly mess. But I think, no, I want to give him grace. Even though it was really, really hurtful initially. And I was really mad like, yeah. When it first ended, like, the season and like, all of the press afterwards. But I want to give them both grace, and they're doing the best they can. I was drinking from a fire hose, so I can, you know, only imagine what it was like for them. I think he's doing his best. Yeah. I think he's a good person.
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Charity
Yeah, I. I mean, I. I agree. I think Grant wouldn't hurt a fly, but I think obviously, certain things that he's just navigating and I think we can.
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Latia
And he's not alone in that. Is the other.
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Charity
No, that's what I'm saying. Exactly.
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Latia
Everyone special kind of villain because he says things to women and then changes his mind. I think that happens.
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Charity
No.
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Latia
Every day.
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Charity
Yeah. His just happened to play out on an entire Season that was his own, like. But this happens every single day. I'm like, he is not the only one. Yeah. Like, no, honestly, there's no innocent man out here, I'll say that. But have you guys, like, talked or, like, has there been any, like, I don't know, just maybe reconciliation of. Just like. Okay, we are on the same page here. I wish you the best. I wish you the best. And separate. That's whatever.
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Rachel
Yeah.
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Rachel
Oh, my gosh.
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Latia
Okay. Well, we don't. That's it, though. Like, no, it's not. It's not like. It's not like a big, juicy. It was just like, I think, kind of like burying the hatchet, mending fences, and just, like, wishing each other the best.
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Rachel
Okay. I love that you guys obviously have been able to talk and bury the hatchet, but I saw he was maybe in the comment section of your co host on your podcast. So was that after the reconciliation or before?
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Latia
Yeah, Chase is kind of a vigilante in the comment section, and so. And he has just, like, a funny sense of humor. So I think he antagonized Grant a little bit, just, like, in defense of me. And then Grant, like, responded. I don't know. I, like, I know that Chase doesn't hold anything against Grant. He just doesn't agree with, like, I think how he, like, spoke about me, and he's just being, like, a good friend. But, yeah, the reconciliation was after that, and I kind of brought that up. Like, I think it would be great for us to be, like, positive and in a good place and, like, yeah, I don't think that we need to kind of drag everything online moving forward. And he agreed. And I think that's where, like, I think He's a. A good guy. I think he just gets, like. I don't even know what the word is like, triggered. Sometimes people say things and. Yeah. And you have, you know, an emotional reaction which is human. But I think we're in a good spot. Good.
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Charity
That's good.
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Rachel
I love. He sounds very protective over you. How did that friendship all start?
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Latia
Yeah, so we met actually like a year ago at Sundance. He was dating someone that I was friends with and we kind of met that way. We had like, other mutual friends and kind of just started being in the same places. And then I got really close with his ex wife, Miranda, and they are co parents and so. And they have like a really awesome, great co parenting relationship. And so I got closer to Chase through Miranda, like the three of us, like, if I'm with Miranda, he'll be at her house, like, throwing the football with their kids. And so we just got closer that way.
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Rachel
I love that. I think people and fans online have loved to watch your relationship with Miranda. Obviously, she is our Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Do you think there's a possibility we could ever see you on there?
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Charity
I'm like, are we. Are we teasing up something for a new season perhaps?
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Rachel
I'd like to see Lyna on this.
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Charity
I don't know.
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Latia
I. It's. I will tell you that they do not need me. They're doing, like, great over there. Yeah, they have enough going on. I'm. They don't need me for sure. But I. Yeah, we'll see. I don't know.
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Charity
Yeah.
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Latia
Would you.
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Charity
Would you do it, like, if they were like. Yeah, like, we want you on, like, is that something you see? Like. Okay. Yeah. I love that.
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Rachel
I absolutely love that you're close with all them or just Miranda and Chase.
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Latia
So I'm closest with Miranda and Chase and Layla. Okay.
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Charity
She seems like a total sweetheart. I'm like, that's like, she is the one girl that I'm like, I want to meet. Like, I want to meet.
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Latia
Yeah.
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Charity
Yeah.
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Latia
Layla's so sweet and gorge. Just stunning. Yeah. Both of them.
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Rachel
Have you heard any spoilers for Taylor season then, being in that circle?
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Charity
I know. I'm like, I feel like I just read your face. It's okay.
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Latia
No, legal. No, I think for legal reasons. Of course not. I'm clutching my pearls.
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Charity
No, she would never say anything.
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Latia
Of course not. No, I have. I mean, I have my, like, guesses, but I. I don't have any, like, hard evidence or any dead giveaways. Yeah, I'm. Regardless, she's keeping It. She's keeping it pretty close to her.
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Rachel
Close to the chest. Okay. Is it gonna be good? Do you know anything about that?
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Latia
Yes, I. I think that it will. Yeah. I. I'm. I'm sat for it. Like, I. I'm. I'm excited to watch. My, like, biggest thing is she's so entertaining to watch.
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Charity
Yeah.
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Latia
I just love. Yeah, I love, love. Yeah.
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Charity
I feel like it's because you just, like, don't know, like, like where you know, like, you can't predict her next move, which I'm like, exactly. That's like, it can go either way here.
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Latia
Yeah, totally. Well, and I think too, and, like, both of you will get this more than me, but I think, like, as a lead, there is, like, so much pressure, I think, to, like, live up to something, like, for the franchise because it's such a, like, a long standing, like, tradition of, like, reality tv, you know what I mean? So there's, like, so many, like, Bachelor, like, specific things, and Taylor is really, like, she marches to the beat of her own drum. And so I think that, I mean, and she loves the franchise. Obviously, she wouldn't have agreed to do it without it, but I just know that she will do things, like, her way that feel right to her. And she was very, like, strong willed and has, like, a very good sense of who she is and can advocate for herself and she's very honest and stuff, which I think makes really entertaining tv, and I think that I'm excited to watch it in Bachelor world. Do you know what I mean?
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Charity
Right?
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Rachel
Yes. From the other side of the curtain.
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Charity
Yeah.
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Latia
Yeah.
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Rachel
It'll be so interesting. I feel like there is so much pressure to be a lead to put on a good season. She's going to give us an amazing season. I'm so excited for her. For you next, you have some exciting things coming up.
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Charity
Yeah. I'm like, what is next? What's next for you?
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Latia
What's next for me? Podcast. Yeah.
- [26:55]
Rachel
How did this all come to be this pod?
- [26:58]
Charity
Yeah.
- [27:00]
Latia
I have thought about doing it for a while, just because I feel like. And I'm sure you guys can agree with this, that Bachelor, like, being on that show really showcases, like, certain parts of your personality, but not, it's like, just definitely not like a holistic view. Yeah, exactly. And so I think that I'm anxious to not just be the come on now girl. And.
- [27:35]
Rachel
It was iconic.
- [27:37]
Latia
Thanks. I like, I, I. And I don't have any, like, bad memories of it. Like, I like, it was great fun while it lasted, but I Think it's not, you know, the entirety of who I am. I feel like I have other things to say. And so it's just. And Chase has done podcasts before, and I think he has always wanted to do one. And we have good conversations together a lot about just like, being single at this stage of life and being social. And we're similar in a lot of ways in that, like, we understand each other and there's like a lot of mutual respect, but we disagree about, like, a lot of things, which I think is entertaining. So when we're back in full force, I think that's what people will say, that we're. We have mutual respect, but we typically disagree.
- [28:29]
Charity
I love that because I think, like, I remember, like, hearing or seeing somewhere that you guys, like when you guys first met, that it was like you were like, not really too fond of him. So I'm like, this is like full circle. I'm like, this is crazy. Now you guys are sitting down on a podcast, talking about things, sharing thoughts, like, yeah, Loki kind of love.
- [28:47]
Latia
I think we both have, like, really strong personalities and strong opinions loosely held, like, but we're both, like, very open minded and we want to, like, you know, be agreeable and like, get along and see each other's side of things. And so we haven't talked about anything, I think necessarily very heavy yet. But we do talk about that in first life, so I'm sure those things will come up. And I think that it's fun to talk to people that you disagree with about things that are important because it's, I think, important to have an ever evolving opinion just because. Yeah, seeking out information and truth is all you can really do and just try and find what feels right to you. And I think that's what we do with a lot of life stuff. I don't know if that makes any sense, but.
- [29:37]
Charity
No, it does.
- [29:37]
Rachel
Yeah, I'm excited to see, like you said, the other side of you and maybe a side that you haven't shown to the charity.
- [29:44]
Latia
Seen it. Charity knows.
- [29:45]
Rachel
I can't wait to see it.
- [29:48]
Charity
Yeah, I'm like, Latia saw. Saw my other side the first day she.
- [29:51]
Latia
No, I know.
- [29:51]
Charity
I'm like, I know.
- [29:53]
Rachel
Yeah, I'm really excited to see you showcase that I saw. You said also that Chase kind of pushes you a little out of your comfort zone and maybe encourages you like today. Has he set you up on any dates?
- [30:04]
Latia
No, Chase hasn't. Chase hasn't set me up necessarily. I'm like, so picky. But he is so Good at helping me put myself out there and like inviting me to be like. I was really. After like my season aired, I was like really. I kind of got like a little bit introverted and just kind of I think over stimulated. So I just kind of took a beat and had like some self care time but. And which is I think healthy and what I needed at that time. But Chase was really helpful in like getting me out and so is Miranda like inviting me to like get out of the house, go on a trip, like do things, get out there. And he's a really good friend. He's. I like and I don't know if you guys have watched like Secret Life. Like he's gets himself into sticky situations for sure, but he means well and he's. Yeah, fiery. But he's a good friend and yeah, yeah, he's a writer.
- [31:11]
Rachel
The dynamic for sure, it is.
- [31:13]
Charity
Is it easy to say that obviously, because I'm like, I've only seen like a little bit but like maybe to viewers, like kind of what you're saying, like one dimensional like side or personality that we're seeing. But it like it'll take someone actually spending quality time with him to like get to know really who he is and like how he like interacts and treats people.
- [31:31]
Latia
Yeah, I think like most of the time he is like one of the most likable people. Like you're not gonna find like a friendlier face in a room. Like. Yeah, he's like a like very warm, welcoming person. I think that most what I, what I knew him as before I like met him and was friends with him was like the confrontation and he definitely like doesn't shy away from that. So I think that's what is known about him. But he's most of the time like a very reasonable, likable, normal, intelligent person.
- [32:11]
Charity
Yeah, that's.
- [32:11]
Latia
Yeah.
- [32:12]
Rachel
Are we gonna see him more on the next season of Mormon Wives? I know like when it left off he was at that dinner date with Taylor.
- [32:20]
Latia
Oh, I forgot about that. Oh yeah.
- [32:23]
Rachel
Inside scoop on next season.
- [32:25]
Latia
I don't, I don't have a ton about next season, but I, I would think that he'll be on there more. That would be my guess.
- [32:36]
Charity
She's like, yes, I'm excited to see.
- [32:40]
Latia
That would be my guess. I have no idea. Like, I haven't seen it. I don't know. Yeah, yeah. And they. Yeah. Oh, wait, a while ago. Yeah, no, no, I was like, they filmed it a while ago. So I'm like, I don't even know.
- [32:52]
Rachel
It'S coming out soon, I think, Right?
- [32:53]
Charity
Is it? Is it.
- [32:56]
Rachel
Oh, my God. March 12 at the same time as Bachelorette.
- [32:59]
Latia
It's like a. I think a week before.
- [33:01]
Charity
Oh, my God. Oh. So it's like, simultaneously. This is crazy. No, A crazy lineup. I am so ready. I just need, like, entertainment at this point. I mean, I need.
- [33:13]
Latia
And they are good at that. They are. No shortage of that. I will tell you. Like, even when they're not filming, it doesn't stop.
- [33:21]
Charity
It doesn't stop.
- [33:22]
Rachel
And you're, like, involved in it now.
- [33:26]
Latia
No, I wouldn't. I, Like, I wouldn't.
- [33:30]
Charity
You're.
- [33:30]
Latia
You're, like, a little bit more aware of it. Yeah, yeah, I'm more aware of it. Yeah.
- [33:36]
Rachel
The front row seat. I would do so much to be a fly on the wall in all that.
- [33:42]
Charity
Rachel wants in.
- [33:43]
Latia
I know. She's like, everything.
- [33:48]
Charity
Utah, come.
- [33:50]
Latia
Come visit. No. 100. No. Charity knows. There's an open invite. I have a guest room.
- [33:55]
Charity
I'm like. I haven't been to her house yet.
- [33:57]
Rachel
I was gonna say Utah. Like, what's the dating scene like there? Is it like everyone. Everyone. Terrible.
- [34:02]
Charity
Terrible.
- [34:04]
Latia
Yeah. It's this big.
- [34:06]
Charity
Like, it is like everybody knows everybody.
- [34:08]
Latia
It is like. Yeah.
- [34:10]
Charity
Terrifying.
- [34:11]
Latia
It's like fishing in a very shallow puddle. It's just everybody knows everybody and there's no. Yeah. No new. No. No new blood, really. So you have everyone's related. Yeah, everyone's exes and not related.
- [34:28]
Rachel
Not related.
- [34:29]
Charity
That's terrifying.
- [34:30]
Rachel
Oh, my gosh. Okay, so maybe we won't come to Utah for the dating, but well, still come.
- [34:36]
Charity
Because I. I do believe I had. Correct. Like, I do have a man, so I'm okay.
- [34:42]
Latia
But we are working on whatever. Rachel.
- [34:44]
Charity
Yeah.
- [34:45]
Latia
For a date.
- [34:46]
Rachel
I know another place. Fishing in the pond. It feels like everywhere. The pond is dry, so. Salt Lake City. I know.
- [34:53]
Charity
We'll have to take a little girls trip.
- [34:55]
Latia
Yeah.
- [34:56]
Charity
Yeah, yeah.
- [34:57]
Rachel
Help us back on a dating show.
- [35:02]
Charity
Yeah, I do want to ask that. I'm like, yeah.
- [35:04]
Rachel
Should we get into them?
- [35:05]
Charity
Like, would you ever do Paradise? Any.
- [35:09]
Latia
Maybe. Yeah. It depends on who's there. There maybe some cuties. Yeah. I don't know.
- [35:14]
Charity
Oh, I think that would be so Tea. Like you on Paradise.
- [35:17]
Rachel
People have been waiting for Latia to come to Paradise.
- [35:20]
Charity
Yeah.
- [35:21]
Latia
Oh, they're fine. They don't. There's so many. There's so many people.
- [35:26]
Rachel
I need to watch it.
- [35:28]
Charity
No, I think, like, with the right. Because I mean, again, like we said, y', all season made splash in, like, I don't want to say not in the. Not the face you just made. Like, not in a knot.
- [35:40]
Latia
But I'm like, She's like, I'm done.
- [35:41]
Charity
Guys have very, like. I mean, Grant alone, but then you guys as a cast. Like, I feel like Yalls personalities were very, like, just dynamic. So I'm like, I would love to see, like, a few more girls from y' all season on Paradise. And then, like, Taylor's got. Please wrap it up. I'm like, I am there. I'm watching. I think it would be.
- [36:03]
Latia
She has some cuties. I would love. I would love. I want to see Seraphina. Like, I think she would be so good.
- [36:09]
Charity
Exactly.
- [36:11]
Latia
I like, yeah, I. I would want 100%.
- [36:14]
Charity
And I feel like Seraphina plays no games.
- [36:16]
Latia
No.
- [36:16]
Charity
That's why I love her because I'm like, we are so, like. I'm like, yeah, she has no time for foolishness.
- [36:21]
Latia
She is the funniest girl in the world. And, like, sweet. Like, has the most tender, sweetest heart, but she is so funny. But yeah. Yeah. I'm like, especially now, like, after seeing Alex and Andrew. They're so cute. I'm like, maybe I should have.
- [36:36]
Rachel
I obsessed with Alex and Andrew. I think on Paradise, I underestimated them a little bit.
- [36:41]
Charity
But, no, I knew from the beginning. I was like, no, they're. They have, like, similar personalities. Like, they're just.
- [36:46]
Latia
I went on happy hour. I went on happy hour, and I said, alex and Andrew.
- [36:51]
Charity
You predicted them.
- [36:52]
Latia
Yeah, they were one of my predictions.
- [36:54]
Rachel
I feel like they're a match made in heaven. Yeah, their personalities are exactly like, I need to see more of them, and I'm sorry.
- [37:04]
Latia
I love them.
- [37:08]
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- [38:03]
Rachel
I need to see, like, chase set you up on dates and, like, you come back on the podcast and recap.
- [38:08]
Charity
And talk about them.
- [38:10]
Latia
Like, I mean. Oh, that would be great. Yeah. I think if he. That's the thing. I'm, like, everyone he knows is from Utah, so, like, I don't. I already know all of them. You know, I really need to, like, get out there.
- [38:26]
Charity
Yeah. Do you feel like. I mean, is there anything, like, specifics that you. Obviously, I mean, I feel like I know you, but I'm like. I guess in terms of, like, do they need to live in Utah? Like, are you open to, like, long distance? Like, what does that look like?
- [38:39]
Latia
Yeah, I don't. I don't think they need to move to Utah, and I'm open to spending time outside of Utah. I don't. I think especially, like, in the beginning, I don't. If someone wasn't from here, I wouldn't expect them to move here for that. So, like, I'm open to moving to somewhere that I want to live, you know? But, yeah, I'm just looking for someone nice and honest and cute and funny.
- [39:11]
Charity
Nice, honest, cute, and funny. That's, like, literally every girl's dream.
- [39:14]
Rachel
I know. Like, the bar is so low.
- [39:16]
Charity
It's in hell, God help us.
- [39:18]
Latia
Underwater.
- [39:20]
Rachel
Well, if not dating, I guess. I also had a question, like, about the podcast. We go on the Bachelor, right? And our dating life is public, and I feel like we're all fine answering questions about that, but it feels like now your private life is sort of becoming a little bit more public. How's that been?
- [39:38]
Latia
It's an adjustment, for sure, I think. I think that. It's, like. So it's so hard to, like, know what to share because for the most part, because I'm a private person, it's not because I. I'm, like, scared to share. I'm just like, I. I don't even. It doesn't occur to me that people, like, want to know anything else. Do you know what I mean? And so I think that it's hard to know what to share. And then some things just get shared by other people about me that.
- [40:14]
Charity
Unprovoked.
- [40:15]
Latia
Yeah, unprovoked. And so, like, I. It's hard to know what to respond to with that, too, because I think online is never really where anything gets resolved. It typically just, like, makes things worse. Do you know what I mean? Because there's so much room for interpretation, and there's just, like, not a ton of allowance for nuance. Right. And instead of just trying to resolve something with the person that you have, like, issues with it becomes a topic for the court of public opinion and everyone gets to weigh in on everything. That was, like, typically, like, a private issue. But I think that's part of, like, going on a show is that then people are interested in. You're obligated to share, you know, So I haven't found that balance yet and still finding my way. You guys have tips for me?
- [41:08]
Charity
Please let me know it, like, definitely comes with time. I'm like, Rachel probably knows more so. But being in your position, like, but.
- [41:16]
Rachel
It feels crazy because I feel like Latia, I do see, like, stuff, even on my tick tock about your personal friendships and your personal life. And I have not had to experience that. But it feels like with.
- [41:26]
Latia
Have you not?
- [41:27]
Rachel
I mean, not really. I. I guess when it comes to dating and my friendships within the Bachelor world. Charity, do you feel like people have been that invasive as they are with Latia with you?
- [41:38]
Charity
Definitely not. I mean, probably the only thing I'm like, maybe like me and Cat, but, like, that's about it. Like, and that was like a very short. Exactly. That was within Bachelor. But I also, like, I feel like I have found a very good balance of how much I give, like, in terms of people who are not already in this space. Because I'm like, my friends from back home, like, it's not that I don't want to post them. It's just like, I pr. I'm very protective over them and, like, I don't want people, like, digging through their lives. So, like, that is a very, like, fine line that I just, like, don't play with. I do it with my family. I'm like, I'm just also not tagging my families, like, Instagram profiles because I don't need you guys doing, like, deep dives. Like, it's actually insane that you know my second aunt or my aunt, like, cousin. Like, it's.
- [42:23]
Rachel
They know everyone because you can't take it back.
- [42:25]
Latia
Right?
- [42:25]
Charity
Exactly.
- [42:26]
Latia
Once it's out there, then people know something about someone and right. You, after you've, like, been through it, you don't want to subject anyone to that unless it's what they want.
- [42:35]
Charity
Exactly. Which nine times out of ten, I'm like, they are all like, no, like, I. I want to kind of keep this, like, private. I like what we have.
- [42:44]
Rachel
Yeah.
- [42:44]
Latia
Yeah. I think too, it's hard for me to find a balance because I think the stuff that you're talking about that is, like, online about my personal life, it's not from me. It's from other people. And so I'm like, I don't know how to respond to it because I don't want to make it, you know, worse. Like, to me, resolving it is like, call me on the phone. But when you know you're popping up in tick tock comment sections, like, yeah, that. The way that I see it, like, that's none of my business. Like, you're not trying to resolve anything with me. Like, that's just, like, not how I'm gonna communicate with someone.
- [43:21]
Charity
Right.
- [43:21]
Latia
And, like, resolve an issue.
- [43:23]
Charity
Right.
- [43:23]
Latia
Yeah, it's just like, you know where to find me. So.
- [43:26]
Rachel
Yeah. Because it sounds like even with Grant, you're wanting to have these conversations, like, privately, outside of the Internet, but it feels like everyone around you is, like, bringing it back to the Internet and you don't really have, like, the option when they do that.
- [43:41]
Latia
That. Right. Yeah. No, I'm. It's just kind of forced. And the thing too, I want to be clear about is that I'm so happy for everyone to, like, talk about their experience and their side of it. I don't think that it's like, don't talk about me, don't whatever. Because I'm a part of their experience, and I feel like I should be able to talk about my experience and as it relates to Gran or, you know, anyone else. But I think that, like, when there's, like, an ongoing, like, issue, like, maybe just try and resolve it privately and then you can talk about publicly, like, you know, everything. But when you're kind of in the middle of it, it just, like, makes it worse to drag it out and involve strangers on the Internet. To me, it's just like, I agree.
- [44:23]
Rachel
Yeah.
- [44:24]
Latia
Because definitely a choice.
- [44:25]
Charity
Yeah, it's definitely a choice. Without a doubt. Exactly. And that at that point, I'm like, is this about something else, or is this actually about, like, maintaining and wanting to either strengthen whatever, resolve our relationship, because then to me, I'm like, no, it's not. It's about, you want all eyes on this. You want to have.
- [44:43]
Latia
You want to be conflict.
- [44:46]
Charity
Correct. I want to be a circulating topic, trending topic. It's like, I'm. I want no parts. No, thank you.
- [44:52]
Latia
Yeah.
- [44:53]
Rachel
And right now, I feel like your friend group is such a trending topic, so people are just, like, looking at the littlest minute of details and, like, trying to get involved.
- [45:04]
Latia
Yeah, I would agree with that.
- [45:06]
Rachel
Do you think on your podcast with Chase, you'll be like, diving more into that or you're, like, not gonna touch it?
- [45:14]
Latia
Yeah. I think that, like, we have, like, an advice segment where people will write in, and I think, like, as it relates to us talking about things in a general way, I. I definitely don't want it to be like, anything like, gotcha. Like, getting, like, trying to, like, disparage anyone or, like, create any, like, negative attention for anyone, but a hundred percent, like, I will use it to share my opinions about things and, like, my experiences. And I think that. It's funny because no one really asks me about anything directly, so I'm like, I don't, like, I don't really ever feel pressured to talk about it. I just, like, obviously, like, see it. Like, people send me screenshots or send me links and. Oh, interesting. Yeah.
- [46:05]
Rachel
So you're seeing, like, videos about people talking about you, but no one is saying anything directly.
- [46:09]
Charity
No one will ever, like, text you or, like, call you or talk, like, want to talk things out or, like, ask to talk.
- [46:15]
Latia
We had. We had one conversation. You're better than me.
- [46:18]
Rachel
Yeah, I was going to say all of this.
- [46:20]
Latia
No, I'm not. No, I'm not. That. I just. Just had.
- [46:24]
Charity
No, no, I'm like, if I saw a video about me, I would. I would be like, excuse me, this is news to me. What's going on.
- [46:31]
Latia
This is news to me. The whole thing. It's the whole thing, too. And I'm like, not me, like, making this comparison. It's embarrassing, but, like, I don't know if you guys saw the stuff with Hailey Bieber and, like, the Justin stuff, and there's, like, a creator that was making content, like, saying that he was abusive and an addict and all this stuff. And, like, Haley's, like, legal team reached out and was like, hey, this is. But to me, I'm like, I never would have saw that video that was made unless Haley had posted about it. So it's hard for me to know, like, when do I, like, address something and when do you not? And to me, I'm like, I don't feel like anything is, like, blown out of proportion or I feel, like, so grossly misunderstood that I have to speak on it. I'm just like, yeah, people are gonna speculate and talk about things and. Yeah, I just also am, like, not one to dedicate time and energy to people that are committed to misunderstanding me. Like, if that's like, that's your choice. Like, that's just like, I don't. If.
- [47:32]
Charity
Yeah, it's not my ministry.
- [47:34]
Latia
If I'm a bad guy. In your. Yeah, in your. In your book, that's Totally fine. It's a frequency.
- [47:39]
Charity
Absolutely.
- [47:40]
Latia
Whatever you are.
- [47:41]
Charity
As a matter of fact, let me wear the hat today.
- [47:44]
Latia
Well, and I'm just like. And no one really ever asked for my opinion. So.
- [47:48]
Charity
Yeah.
- [47:48]
Latia
Like, if you just. Yeah. Want a forum to share your experience, that's great. I'll use my forum to talk about mine.
- [47:56]
Charity
It took years to come around to that. But I'm like, no, I. I love that perspective because that's how I treat everything now in life. I'm like, yeah, go off. As a matter of fact.
- [48:04]
Latia
And I'm like, I want to do it with, like, kindness and respect, too. Right.
- [48:08]
Charity
Yeah.
- [48:09]
Latia
It's also like, I think that was another thing that, like, the words that you say people. It, like, was new to me to learn how people online use your words to fuel hate for other people, sometimes literally.
- [48:22]
Charity
Yeah.
- [48:23]
Latia
And so it's just to be, like, careful about. I want to share my experience, but I don't want anyone to be disrespected. And so it's hard to know what's okay to share and what hasn't, which is another reason why I haven't spoken a ton about it, because I don't want to create anything, like, negative or hateful. Like, I feel like I've experienced from the things that people have said. So it's a fine line. It's a tricky. It's a tricky balance. But I'm also, like, I didn't bring it. I didn't make something public. Somebody else did. Yeah. So I. I 100 will clear my name and share my side of something if somebody else chooses to make it a topic of discussion publicly.
- [49:10]
Charity
Right.
- [49:11]
Latia
Right.
- [49:11]
Rachel
Absolutely.
- [49:14]
Charity
You're just in a little.
- [49:15]
Latia
I know.
- [49:16]
Rachel
You're so, like, you're so much more mature than I am. I love listening to you talk. I feel like I've learned.
- [49:25]
Latia
No, are you kidding? I learned from YouTube.
- [49:28]
Charity
I always.
- [49:28]
Rachel
Learning anything from me. But, no, I love it.
- [49:32]
Charity
Rachel, you're insane. No one's learning anything from me is crazy.
- [49:36]
Rachel
No, they're learning for me, and I will take that. If anything, I'll make the mistake so you don't have to.
- [49:43]
Latia
I will say just, like, even Rachel, like, watching. Because I watched your and Gabby season right before I went.
- [49:50]
Rachel
Yeah.
- [49:50]
Latia
And no, it was like, I. I can't remember where you guys were, but it was like, in that hotel where Clayton had that conversation with both of you. Like, definitely, like, was something that I thought about, like, in the last week of, like, my experience. Like, I was like, if I get blindsided like, on the off chance that, like, this doesn't go my way, like, how do I. Like, I just have to, like, consider it and be ready because it's happened before. You know what I mean?
- [50:19]
Rachel
Yeah. No, it's. It's crazy out here. Wait, what's next?
- [50:24]
Latia
I know. I mean, my podcast. I'm excited to pick that back up.
- [50:28]
Rachel
We will be listening.
- [50:30]
Latia
Yeah, it's going to be, I think, just a lot of pop culture commentary and recap. And I love the reader submissions. Like, those are my favorite to talk about and discuss. They're so interesting. Like, I get down like a TikTok rabbit hole on those, just, like, listening to other podcasts talk about them. So I love that part. So that, yeah, Lonely Friends will be chase solo episodes till the end of March, and then I'll be back. But yay. Stay tuned for the rest of it. I don't know. I don't know what you're gonna see me in. We'll see.
- [51:04]
Charity
Will we see you at, like, anything coming up? Like, are you gonna do Coachella? Stagecoach?
- [51:10]
Latia
Oh, I want to. Are you guys going?
- [51:12]
Charity
Yeah. Fingers crossed. I am.
- [51:14]
Latia
Yeah.
- [51:15]
Charity
So it's fever.
- [51:16]
Latia
It's beaver cello. We have to.
- [51:18]
Charity
I have no idea. Yeah.
- [51:19]
Latia
Yeah.
- [51:19]
Charity
Y. Yeah. I'm like, Stagecoach is still up in the air, but I definitely will be at Coachella, so.
- [51:24]
Latia
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
- [51:26]
Rachel
Litia, this has been so amazing. Thank you for, like, being so honest. I know we've, like, asked you some questions you probably don't want to talk about, but thank you so much for coming on. And, yeah, we will be looking out for your podcast. We're so excited to listen, literally, to.
- [51:40]
Latia
Have you guys on.
- [51:41]
Charity
So well spoken. Oh, I would love to. I'm like, I wanna. I wanna come into the world a little bit. I'm like, I wanna.
- [51:47]
Latia
We'll get into it. I know.
- [51:49]
Charity
I'm like, well, really lea. So tell.
- [51:51]
Latia
Put it in.
- [51:51]
Charity
Lay with you. I'm like, I.
- [51:52]
Latia
100%. She's an angel.
- [51:54]
Charity
Yeah.
- [51:55]
Latia
No, come visit Sirius. Ride horses.
- [51:57]
Charity
We'll plan a little Utah trip.
- [51:59]
Latia
Yeah. Yeah.
- [52:00]
Charity
Oh, my God. Thank you so much, Lat. This is all for today's episode. Thank you so much for coming on Bachelor Happy Hour, and thank you, everyone, for listening. Make sure to subscribe. We'll have more fun interviews with your Bachelor Nation favorites coming very, very soon. But until then, we'll see you guys later. Bye.
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Latia
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