Mel, Peg, and the Golden Future | Golden Hour

Summary

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Bachelor Happy Hour: "Mel, Peg, and the Golden Future | Golden Hour"

Air date: November 17, 2025
Podcast by iHeartPodcasts and Warner Bros
Hosts: Susan & Kathy

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Episode Overview

This special "Golden Hour" episode of the official Bachelor Happy Hour podcast dives deep into the emotional and nuanced finale of "The Golden Bachelor." Hosts Susan and Kathy passionately dissect the "After the Final Rose" (AFR) episode, with particular focus on the love triangle between Mel, Peg, and Cindy. The conversation explores choices, heartbreak, and the real meaning of commitment for the older generation, all with the wit and warmth fans expect from Bachelor Nation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Not Being at AFR and Initial Impressions

• The hosts open by expressing disappointment at not physically attending AFR, a spot they’re often at, underscoring the personal connection they feel to the franchise.
  • "I was sad because we weren't there. We're usually there." (Susan, 04:18)

2. Cindy’s Heartbreak and Bold Exit

• Cindy's choice to leave instead of waiting for Mel’s final decision generates substantial debate.
• Both hosts dissect her motives—was it self-preservation or a strategic move to force Mel’s hand?
  • Memorable Quote:
    "I think if it had have been me, I would have done it. I would have thought, what do I have to lose? I'm in love with this man." (Kathy, 05:37)
• Susan argues Cindy wanted to keep her dignity, not wanting to be the one left behind on national TV.

3. The Fantasy Suite: Missed Opportunities

• The importance—and misconception—of the Fantasy Suite is discussed:
  • "It's not about getting laid. It's about not having a camera on you and having an open conversation." (Susan, 11:50)
• Both believe that private time could have changed the outcome, allowing for deeper, meaningful conversations.

4. Mel’s Analytical Nature and the Commitment Question

• Mel’s hesitancy to propose or declare unequivocal love is attributed to his analytical, practical personality (he’s a lawyer and former NFL player).
  • "He's more practical than emotional." (Kathy, 22:25)
• Kathy posits that Mel misunderstood Cindy's desire: she wasn’t strictly demanding marriage but deeper commitment and affirmation.

5. Peg: The Fun, Balanced Choice

• Peg is described as a blend of fun energy and seriousness; the "right" match for Mel according to the hosts.
  • "She has lots of energy...but she also has a serious side." (Kathy & Susan, 12:03)
• The conversation reflects on whether Peg is the “default” pick because Cindy walked away, but both agree Peg’s acceptance of the situation reflects maturity.

6. The Ring: Proposal or Placeholder?

• Mel gives Peg a ring, but it’s not an engagement ring—more of a promise or “get to know you better” ring. Opinions are split on whether this is satisfying.
  • "It's still a diamond. But he didn't propose because he's not ready. And you know what? She wasn't either." (Susan, 20:45)
• The difference in expectations for marriage at an older age is explored.

7. Cindy vs. Peg: Romantic Styles and Endgames

• Cindy is portrayed as wanting "lightning-bolt" romance; Peg is seen as more easygoing and adaptable.
  • "Cindy was so serious. Peg is not that serious...she wants a life partner." (Susan, 29:45)
• Both hosts remark that Cindy’s book is a "romance novel," while Mel's is "a comic book" (paraphrased from Cindy’s own words).

8. The Realities for Golden Age Romance

• The hosts repeatedly discuss the differences in romantic priorities for people in their 60s and 70s.
  • "At our age, we don't need all that." (Susan, 33:55)
  • "I want to show the world we're not invisible. We have thoughts. We have energy... we have a lot of love to give." (Kathy, 49:42)

9. Audience Feedback and Looking Ahead

• Susan and Kathy invite listeners to weigh in with their thoughts and suggestions for future Golden Bachelor/Bachelorette leads, hoping to see more leads in the 65-70 range.
• Kathy lobbies humorously for her own selection as a future lead, sparking playful banter about age, eligibility, and what true “Golden” representation means.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Cindy’s Choice

• "She wanted to be the bigger person and shine and not be the one that wasn’t chosen." (Susan, 08:08)

On Mel’s State of Mind

• "NFL player, a lawyer. Oh, let me repeat. A man. They don’t like their egos being bruised, never mind on national TV." (Kathy, 10:02)

On Golden Love versus TV Romance

• "When I watch Hallmark movies...at the end of the movie, they're getting married and they're in love and happily ever after. I don't have the feeling with Mel that this is a I love you till the end of time. You hit on it. They're having fun." (Kathy, 31:02)

On Cindy’s Romantic Expectations

• "Her book is a freaking romance novel. Yeah, I feel you, Cindy." (Kathy, paraphrased from Cindy, 32:23)

On What Makes a Successful ‘Golden’ Relationship

• "Every relationship needs balance." (Susan, 24:48)
• "I want to show the world we're not invisible. We have thoughts. We have energy...we have great stories." (Kathy, 49:42)

Wishes for the Franchise

• "I would like to see someone a little bit more golden—65, Mel was golden. I would like to see...a woman between 65 and 70. Somebody that’s a real gold." (Kathy, 44:33)
• "They're still alive and there's still hope." (Susan, 48:20)

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Timestamps for Key Discussions

• 04:02–07:20: Reflections on not attending AFR, initial takes on Cindy’s bold exit
• 07:20–12:09: The Fantasy Suite dilemma and missed opportunities for deeper connection
• 12:13–14:33: Analyzing Mel’s practical personality and what the ring means
• 17:58–20:45: Peg’s mindset, whether she is “default” pick, and the meaning of a non-engagement ring
• 24:30–26:39: What makes a lasting couple—balance, adaptability, and mutual respect
• 29:02–33:45: Marriage expectations, Cindy’s “lightning bolt” romance vs. Peg’s steady approach
• 42:14–44:49: The logistics of post-show relationships, possible future franchise directions
• 44:33–49:42: Hopes for future Golden leads and age representation
• 49:44–50:56: Reflections on remaining visible, lively, and loving at older ages, series wrap-up

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Episode Tone & Final Thoughts

Warm, candid, and slightly irreverent, Susan and Kathy bring an honest "been-there, loved-that" perspective to Golden Bachelor drama. Their playful ribbing, willingness to disagree, and gentle wisdom highlights why Bachelor Nation needs stories—and conversations—like these.

Closing Sentiment:
"We hope they are truly in love. That’s the wish for everyone coming off one of these shows...I want to show the world we’re not invisible. We have a lot of love to give.” (Kathy, 49:42)

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For fans and newcomers alike, this episode offers an unfiltered, empathetic insight into what love—and heartbreak—looks like after fifty. Whether you’re Team Cindy, Team Peg, or just rooting for love in any form, this Golden Hour is required Bachelor Nation listening.

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[Susan]

Welcome back, everybody, to Bachelor Happy hours Golden hour. Thanks so much for joining us. We're so excited to be back and talk about that show, huh, Kathy?

[Kathy]

Oh, gosh, we are. What did you think of afr fondly known as after the final rose?

[Susan]

What do you think? Well, first of all, I was sad because we weren't there. We're usually there. Kathy.

[Kathy]

I know.

[Susan]

That was, like, weird for me.

[Kathy]

Okay, it was. But I have to say, I love the fact it's, as you always remind me, it's all about love. And I loved that Gary was there with his new fiance, Lana. And I love. Because he was the first Golden Bachelor. And I love that Joan was their first Golden Bachelorette. With Chalk. I loved that. And I thought it was hysterical that Chalk predicted that you're gonna get married. Yeah, they're gonna get married. Okay, but let's get into it because.

[Susan]

Okay, first one out of the gate, Cindy. First of all, she is breathtakingly gorgeous. However, I think we had a little boobette showing a little too much. That dress, it was like I couldn't even look at her. I kept looking at her boobs.

[Kathy]

Well, let me just say, I think, you know, that cuts one of two ways. Either not a good look or, hey, Mel, look what you're missing.

[Susan]

And that. That rhinestone thing coming down in between.

[Kathy]

Choke me. But I. I gotta say, I. As you know, Cindy lives in Austin and we are friends. And I love Cindy. I'm so happy for Peg and Mel. Let me first say that.

[Susan]

Absolutely.

[Kathy]

So happy for them. But I do think Cindy made a mistake. I would not have done what she did. I would. I would have said, gone to the suite like Mel wanted and talked to him and did all that. I really think Cindy thought he would follow after her. And I don't blame her for thinking that because they had a very close relationship. So I think if it had have been me, I would have done it. I would have thought, what do I have to lose? I'm in love with this man. If she is, I'm not trying to put words in Cindy's mouth. I would have said, mel, I made a huge mistake. And if you're happy with Peg, then.

[Susan]

You'Re happy last night, like on the show.

[Kathy]

Oh, yeah. I would have. Oh, absolutely. If. If I were in love. Because you know what? It's. I hate this expression, but I'm hearing it so much on Bachelor these days. Shoot. Your shot. That's her one and only shot now, I think. Megan, by the way, can I just say, I said Megan. I heard it on TV last night. Oh, I'm gonna coin it. I said it the other day on our podcast. Mel and Peg. Meg.

[Susan]

Anyway, Diane called her that.

[Kathy]

Yeah, exactly. I think Meg is very. I think they're a very happy couple. But that aside, I would have done it. Would you?

[Susan]

I definitely would have stayed till it was over. Yes. However, she has watched the show, and if she was not getting what she needed and she wanted more commitment, she didn't want to be the one that wasn't chosen. So she took it upon herself to save face, if you will.

[Kathy]

Yeah, but you don't know if you're going to be the one that's chosen, and.

[Susan]

No, you don't. But she was pretty sure that he wasn't giving her what she wanted. Like, she didn't say marriage, but she wanted commitment. And he said, I don't leap a leap of faith. I want it to continue. Remember we were saying something last week, Kathy, that you said if he were to say, okay, I want to date both of you and see where it goes. And my friend Kathy here was in agreement with that. Not on my life would I do that.

[Kathy]

Well, again, you know, if I were in love with the man that much, but again, I'm not in the situation, so, you know, would I've done that on national tv, I probably would have humiliated myself, quote unquote, because I would want him to Know that's how serious I am. I screwed up. I do get that part.

[Susan]

But I will feel like she wanted to be the bigger person and shine and not be the one that wasn't chosen.

[Kathy]

So when she says, am I going to finish the game? I was in the wrong stadium. I love that. That whole analogy, that sports analogy or metaphor, I should say. But here's the thing. Mel kept saying she wanted marriage. He said it to Peg. He kept saying it. She wanted marriage.

[Susan]

She wanted an engagement.

[Kathy]

That means marriage said. No, it doesn't. I know lots of people who've been engaged for 10 years.

[Susan]

Rule of thumb, you get engaged, what happens? Somebody asks you to marry them. That's what getting engaged is.

[Kathy]

I am. Listen, I'm a modern woman here. I could see you're so modern, you know, put a nice ring on my hand and I can live with you. I. What? I'm so modern? You're not so modern. I am, but. But I honestly think. I do think Cindy wanted marriage, don't get me wrong. But I think. And she wasn't waiting, willing to wait the two years till his sons were out of the house. She said that, you know, I'm not waiting two years.

[Susan]

So that was her choice.

[Kathy]

It was her choice, but I think. Had she gone to the fantasy suite. We're women, we're smart. We've been around the block a time or two. I think they could have had. I agree with Mel. They could have had those meaningful conversations that may have changed his mind and. Or her mind. And. And I'm not taking anything away from Pet, because I love Peg. And, boy, did she look beautiful last night.

[Susan]

Yes, she certainly did. We didn't get there yet. But don't you think when she sat there and paused, and she was tearing up after walking away, she was hoping he would come after her. And then Jesse comes to sit with Mel and. And he said, you can go. He had an opportunity to stop her. So he made his choice.

[Kathy]

No, I just. Well, he clearly made his choice. I think that again, we only see what's shown, blah, blah, blah. We don't know everything that happened. But Mel, I've met him once, delightful man to me, was very kind to me, but. But NFL player, a lawyer. Oh, let me repeat. A man. They don't like their egos being bruised, never mind on national tv. So did I think in the moment he could think fast enough or deliberately enough to go after. No, not at all. And so I think it's a. I'm telling you, I'm so Split down the middle. I am so happy for Meg. I'm so happy for them. I think it is fabulous. I congratulate, congratulated her last night. I think it's fabulous. But I also hope that it is for the, you know, for the long haul.

[Susan]

After hearing Cindy say he is not my person because she wanted somebody to be head over heels. And I don't blame the woman. We all want to feel love. But he is in no way, shape or form, was not ready at that moment. He wanted to continue the journey.

[Kathy]

And I don't have a problem with that to you?

[Susan]

No, not at all. But she said, is it okay if you walk me out to leave? That was his moment too, Kathy. He had several moments that he could say, no, I don't want you to leave. Wait till we go to the fantasy suite so we could talk. I think that's a lot with the fantasy suite. People think, oh, we're going to get laid. It's not about getting laid. It's about not having a camera on you and having an open conversation.

[Kathy]

Okay, but I'm, I'm gonna. I'm gonna call BS here for a second because Peg, everyone calls her fun Peg. And she is fun. She's a joy. She has lots of energy.

[Susan]

She also has a serious side. You heard her?

[Kathy]

Yes, she does. That's why I told you. I feel like she's like me. I'm crazy fun. So are you. But we both have a serious side.

[Susan]

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[Kathy]

When Mel came to Peg's room and he said to her, told her Cindy, first of all, I thought Peg looked so damn nervous. Huh? You know, that's nervous.

[Susan]

She was ready for him to let her go. I saw them.

[Kathy]

So she was nervous. But when, when he was there, he told her that Cindy wanted to get married. And I'm like, no, Mel, she didn't say that. And then Peg says in an interview afterwards, she said, you know, I. I want to get to know him better. I need a commitment. Peg said the same thing. So, you know, Peg played the. I hate saying, played the game a little better, but you know, the cat and mouse, she was willing to. To, you know, see it to the end. Here's my question for you. If you are Peg and you and I both know her a little bit, if you're Peg, do you feel like you're the default pick? Like he didn't really want you?

[Susan]

No, but that's what the world's going to think because Cindy walked out and I knew. I think Cindy knew what she was doing because she didn't feel 100% that that was her guy. So she'd rather walk away than not be picked.

[Kathy]

How can you say if Cindy still loves him? How can you say that he's not her guy? She said, I'm sorry.

[Susan]

She said, he's not my guy.

[Kathy]

Yeah, well, I said I'm 510 and 110 pounds. Do you believe me?

[Susan]

Well, so why did she say it? I.

[Kathy]

Because she was trying to save.

[Susan]

She chooses carefully. Like I said before. She knows exactly what she's doing. And you know what? It is her choice too. It's not just Mel's choice.

[Kathy]

Totally agree with that. That's why I said to when Mel said you have to see it to the end. No, you don't. You can leave anytime you want and he could send her home anytime. But I asked you a question. You didn't answer my question.

[Susan]

What?

[Kathy]

I'm sorry, do you think Peg, you said the world see it that way. I'm asking would you feel default the.

[Susan]

Pick I was going to enter. Enter your head. Of course it is. And they probably had a conversation about it. But she's mature enough to know we're good. The world's going to say it. You know that. Well, no, I was asking what TV moment that was done.

[Kathy]

Yeah, well, so let me say to you, if.

[Susan]

If he didn't want Peg to feel that way. He did say that.

[Kathy]

Right? So how did you feel? Because you know me, I'll date two guys at a time or whatever you accused me of last week. Do you. What did you think about the ring not being an engagement ring? A ring, a promise ring of sorts to get to Know you better.

[Susan]

It's still a diamond. But he didn't propose because he's not ready. And you know what? She wasn't either. Now they've had a few months, and they're totally in love. But at that moment, that's one thing I admired about Peg. The way she shared. She was in protect mode. She devoted her life to raising her daughter like Mel did after the divorce with his boys. And he doesn't say I love you very freely. It takes time. And she was still in protect mode. She likes him. She's just fun energy all the time, because. But that has nothing to do with her heart.

[Kathy]

Y.

[Susan]

You know what I mean? And when she opened up and said that, I give her credit for that, too. So she wasn't ready either.

[Kathy]

Say, Diane, perfect match for me. Oh, I think they're a great match. I want everyone to hear her.

[Susan]

They're both on the fence of.

[Kathy]

Right.

[Susan]

Getting married, moving. Like she said, you know, being 60s in your 60s, you don't have to get married right away.

[Kathy]

Oh, and look at me. That's why I just said, you can have an engagement ring and be engaged for life, and they can live happily ever after as an engaged couple. And that would not. Well, you just told me before.

[Susan]

An engagement ring means when you propose to somebody. That means marriage.

[Kathy]

Okay, well, I don't necessarily see it.

[Susan]

That way, but we can see that one engagement.

[Kathy]

So I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna call. I'm gonna call something here. He is a lawyer. Diane said he is analytical.

[Susan]

Yes.

[Kathy]

Practical. Analytical, not emotional. So when this guy is saying that.

[Susan]

He'S more practical than emotion.

[Kathy]

But when. Exactly. But when he's saying, she said marriage, I'm thinking to myself, if I were there, he's not hearing. He's thinking that I. All I want is marriage. And I feel badly for Cindy. I would feel badly for me, like. No, Mel, you didn't hear what I said. I need a commitment. I need to hear that you're falling in love with me. That you think you could fall in love with me. Not. How was the date? Good.

[Susan]

And she said she was willing to move to California. She has a daughter there.

[Kathy]

She was.

[Susan]

And not even with him, like, to get him too crazy. And I'm not talking about moving in with you. I would move to be near you.

[Kathy]

And he didn't want that either. So, you know, I don't get it. But I will say one thing. Thing that, you know, you and I both have kids, right? And we've talked about this. If I'm ever lucky enough to find a guy, which, you know, Christmas is coming, I'm going to go sit on Santa's lap, should that happen. Our kids are very important to us. So I listened very carefully to his sons, who by the way, are adorable.

[Susan]

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He must be so proud of him.

[Kathy]

I'm sure he is. But when he said the son, I'm not sure which one said it. My dad wants an easygoing.

[Susan]

Yes.

[Kathy]

I, I literally wrote it down. He wants fun person. That's what he wants. He wants mellow, not drama. And I thought if Peg is not mellow, so I don't know where that came from. But I thought to myself, easygoing and fun. I'm asking you, Susan, does easygoing and fun make a good long term partner? Yes. Is that.

[Susan]

Easygoing is a key word.

[Kathy]

There you go. Easygoing, or at least adaptable. I don't think easygoing.

[Susan]

One of you have to be right. He's uptight. He's more analytical and emotional.

[Kathy]

Just say it, Susan.

[Susan]

He's anal. No. And for like me in a relationship, I have to be. I'm the dreamer. I'm the Pisces. I'm the, you know, shoot straight from the hip. I don't think before I speak. Although I've, I've gotten much better.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Susan]

Every relationship needs balance, right?

[Kathy]

And, and I think we've talked about this. My husband was an introvert. I'm a very slight extrovert. And, and, and that's why our marriage worked, I think. Mel, I don't know. You know, I don't know what his, his Briggs Meyer Briggs score is, but I think that he's definitely not as outgoing as Peg. I think we can all take that one to the bank.

[Susan]

What I love about it is he loves her to shine. He's that guy, you know, when your partner just loves you to stand out in the room and have fun and be crazy, he enjoys it. So I think it's going to work. And how about how gorgeous she looked?

[Kathy]

She looked beautiful.

[Susan]

Oh, my God.

[Kathy]

You know, people on the Internet are saying she had a facelift. People are cruel.

[Susan]

What, in six weeks? I mean.

[Kathy]

Yeah, exactly. People. You cannot get a facelift in six weeks and look like that. FYI.

[Susan]

It's called a makeup artist. And she looks stunning.

[Kathy]

Her hair was beautiful. Her face is beautiful. Makeup covers, you know, changes. You look. I love her curly, wild hair, but I thought she looked absolutely extraordinary last night. But wait, I have another question, because when. When Je. Not Jesse. When. When Mel said. And it was at the beginning and at the end, in the middle, you know, when there's a will, there's a way. What do you think he like to me, you and me, if there's a will, there's a way. You and I, we're going to find the way. That guy, if we have the will, if we want that man, we're gonna find a way to make it work. And I think backing up to Cindy when she said, I'll move out there, blah, blah, blah, that was her trying to find a way because she willed the relationship.

[Susan]

She was looking for words that he couldn't give. He said, if there's a will, there's a way. He liked her a lot. He tells her that she needed a confirmation. Okay, you're in love with me.

[Kathy]

Okay. So I have a question. This is a hard one, Susan. Are you ready? I'm gonna. It's a hard question.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

Do you believe that someone can go from looking at Cindy and laughing and love and saying, you know, everything, but I'm interested in you? Because I felt. I told you this earlier. I felt like he was going to pick Cindy. Had Cindy gone. Had Cindy gone to the fantasy suite? And Peg, I love you. Don't be angry. I. My feeling was he was gonna pick Cindy if she'd gone to the fantasy suite. So how do you rationalize.

[Susan]

I felt all along their chemistry was strong. I used to.

[Kathy]

But let me ask my question.

[Susan]

Five episodes, he's gonna pick Cindy's. But then when I. He. He's into fun. He's into somebody entertaining him.

[Kathy]

And I get it.

[Susan]

Making him laugh. How do you peg all over.

[Kathy]

I. I'm. Susan, the earth is shattering. I'm agreeing with you. My. The question is, how do you go from loving three women finding. Or he didn't use the word love, but finding so much in three women that you really like to finding so much in two women you really like so much so that you can't choose. You have to two months later saying, I'm in love. I'm in love. And now I think, if you were that much in love, you and I, let's produce this show. Last night, if he is that much in love and he. And he was ready to make a commitment, I think he would have gotten down on one knee, don't you? And said, let's.

[Susan]

Let's change this ring are where they are. She's got her ring. He loves her. He said it out loud. They've had time to spend with each other.

[Kathy]

So you're saying he's not ready for marriage?

[Susan]

I don't think marriage is in the equation.

[Kathy]

Oh, ever.

[Susan]

Maybe not.

[Kathy]

Ah, okay. That. I'll drink to that. I mean, I'll drink to most things.

[Susan]

But like she made a perfectly good point. Do you care at our age if we have a paper saying we're married? I would do a commitment to ceremony without paperwork.

[Kathy]

Right. That's you talking. I'm saying I don't think that's what she's saying. I don't think that's what Peg's saying. She said she could see marriage with him episode before she. I don't think she said anything about.

[Susan]

A commitment ceremony with no living together and wearing the ring. But they don't live in the same.

[Kathy]

State they do have. Wait a minute. You're changing. You are absolutely coming over to my side of the table now, which is you can have a ring on your hand and you can call it an engagement ring, a promise ring, a happy Valentine's ring, or Merry Christmas early, but it's still a ring. And that doesn't mean you're ever gonna get married. And I am not convinced that Cindy wasn't in the same place.

[Susan]

Cindy was so serious. Peg is not that serious. Like she has a serious side. But think about the words that she said. You know, she wants a life partner. He said relationships happen over time. I agree with two year things.

[Kathy]

Right.

[Susan]

But he's not ready to propose. She wanted a proposal. He was not ready. Therefore she should have backed it up if she was really in love with him and gave him some space.

[Kathy]

Well, I agree with that. I do. That's why I said she should have gone to the fantasy suite. I agree with that.

[Susan]

Yeah, but she wants somebody to feel like he was struck by lightning. Like she needs that guy to be dropped dead in love. I know what that's like. I do. I'm lady in that way.

[Kathy]

Maybe he could have gotten there, maybe he couldn't. I don't know. We'll never know. That's. You know what that is. Episode two of Mel on the Golden Bachelor Season two. Mel's going to have a redo to see how it, you know, we're going to just start where it picked up.

[Susan]

I did admire her strength and her composure when she left and she paused. She was hoping so bad that he would come. And I wish he did. I really do. Just to talk to her even.

[Kathy]

Well, you know Why? I like. I like a romance story. I like a love story that ends where you have no. You know, that just came to me when I watch Hallmark movies. Let's start there. When I watch Hallmark movies, you already know at the beginning, the first line. The girl moved to some town to help her grandmother out. She meets this drop dead gorgeous guy in the parking lot. And the rest of the movie, you know, she had a fiance in New York City, but now she's in bfe, Kansas and she meets the guy and they fall in love. And you know, at the end of the movie, they're getting married and they're in love and happily ever after that you just hit on it. Susan, I don't have the feeling with Mel that this is a I love you till the end of time. You hit on it. They're having fun.

[Susan]

So something that, that comes to mind when Cindy said she needs to hear.

[Kathy]

Wait, I'm sorry, does this mean that maybe I can still horn in and maybe have a chance?

[Susan]

No, forget it. She was so glad she watched it back because being in it and seeing yourself do it are night and day, right? The feelings, the emotions, it's crazy, you know, from watching ourselves on tv. And she needed to hear how she fits in his life.

[Kathy]

Who. Who are we talking about? Cindy.

[Susan]

Cindy.

[Kathy]

Yes. And that's what I'm saying.

[Susan]

That's when she said that line. I don't need to convince a man.

[Kathy]

100. 100.

[Susan]

Wait. And she said he was looking short term and his book was a comic book. Her book is a. As a freaking romance novel. Yeah, I feel you, Cindy.

[Kathy]

Yeah. No, I get it. I love Cindy. I get I love them both. But I will say to you, that is what I. I'm telling you in chatting with you, I've had this epiphany. That is what is missing in this finale for me. It's a promise ring. And I. I truly hope that they love each other and they move forward to whatever the relationship is. But you know what? I'm talking like Susan Knowles. I wanted the love story. I wanted them to. For him last night to say, you know, it's been a rough road, you know, I tossed the football into the dirt six times.

[Susan]

He said, I love her. That's how huge for Mel.

[Kathy]

I get it. I want huge. We waited. You're always the whole. You always the one saying the show ends. It's about getting a proposal. Cindy even said it. It's about a marriage proposal. I wanted Mel to stand up last night. I'm just. Or get on his knees and propose to her. Then I would be leaving this conversation moving on to Taylor, Frankie, Paul saying what a great. But I don't feel great about it. I don't that it's not complete to me.

[Susan]

I'm happy. I am.

[Kathy]

I am happy for them. That's not what.

[Susan]

No, I didn't mean that you weren't happy for them. I didn't.

[Kathy]

I wish it were. I wish it were.

[Susan]

When the Goldens, it's a different story, Kathy. Young ones, they want to get engaged and to be married and have kids and buy your first house. At our age, we don't need a all that. Well, look at Chalk and Joan. Their relationship is perfect. They are engaged. There's no wedding plans. They're taking their time.

[Kathy]

Is it perfect though? I don't want to see a guy. It works for them, I grant you that. But for me, I don't want to see the guy that I'm in love with once a month. It works for them. That's.

[Susan]

But then again you don't want them under your foot 247 either. I remember you saying that it be difficult to live with somebody again.

[Kathy]

It would. But I haven't met the guy that I'm willing to trip over his dirty socks for. You know, I haven't met him yet but if I do, maybe in our next life.

[Susan]

Oh God, we'll do it all over again.

[Kathy]

I think.

[Susan]

Nonetheless, both women were very, very strikingly beautiful and well spoken. One is happy, one not so much. I feel my heart breaks always for the girl that doesn't get it.

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[Kathy]

July? I mean, no, never. Like I like to shop. Actually I like to shop on Christmas Eve because I find it to be a little more festive.

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[Kathy]

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[Kathy]

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[Kathy]

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[Kathy]

Let me tell you something Cindy. As I say, I've gotten to know her a little bit. She is a lovely. She is beautiful. If the. The men will. In fact, I said to her the.

[Susan]

Other night, she won't have a problem at all.

[Kathy]

Oh, they'll be lining up at her door. I said, could you please send me to us?

[Susan]

Nobody was lining on our doors.

[Kathy]

I asked her if she could wait.

[Susan]

Extensions in last night. Her hair was awfully long.

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[Kathy]

But I. But I says, the hairdresser. I said to Cindy, could you throw your rejects my way when you start dating? Because you know her reject will still be a nine on my skin.

[Susan]

Banging on her door. Man, she's gonna have to fight.

[Kathy]

I don't know about you, but I am ready. I mean, I truly. Just to summarize, you and I both wish Meg a love. Wonderful life together, however they see it.

[Susan]

I am curious, though. Nobody's going to relocate. So kind of like Chuck. Chuck. Excuse me. And Joan. They live in separate states. I'm assuming that's what it's going to be like for these two. They're going to travel together. They're. They plan to go to the super. I think she's going to Michigan. He's going to Vegas.

[Kathy]

By the way, go blue. Do you know my son went to the University of Michigan?

[Susan]

Did he?

[Kathy]

When I met Mel.

[Susan]

Oh, yeah.

[Kathy]

Mel asked you what? Yeah, and I said, go, blue. And he looked at me like, how the hell did you know that? I said, my son went to Michigan. He did. I think I told you. He asked me what Dormy was. My son's 44 years old. What door was he? And I was like, jesus, Mel, I don't remember. It was how many years ago.

[Susan]

Anyway, how about when. When Peg says, I like your shoes. He goes, I'm a trendsetter.

[Kathy]

Mel can be funny.

[Susan]

Cool. I think they're gonna do fine. I do.

[Kathy]

I hope that is our wish. We hope they do well. We hope they are truly in love. That's the wish for everyone coming off one of these shows. And my hope is that I am next on the chopping.

[Ad Host 1]

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[Susan]

That's always.

[Kathy]

And now we get Taylor.

[Susan]

Everybody that's listening, we want to know what you thought. Let us know. Write us in. Write. And so we can read it out loud. I mean, everybody's entitled to their opinion.

[Kathy]

But can I just say, like I said, I've been reading online. Ladies, gentlemen, Bachelor Nation fans, I can assure you, if Peg had a facelift and looks like that, in six weeks, I'm gonna find out the name of her doctor. And I'm gonna. I'm gonna get one done myself. Holy. But now we get to do the next step. Is Taylor, Frankie, Paul.

[Susan]

And now we get back into drama. But although I heard some. She's got some fabulous gentlemen. She really does.

[Kathy]

You know what?

[Susan]

She was outspoken there with Jesse.

[Ad Host 1]

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[Susan]

Just catching up about her show. And she sent somebody home. Not at a rose ceremony.

[Kathy]

Good for her.

[Susan]

You're gonna answer me back. That girl's got strength.

[Kathy]

That's not what you were gonna say.

[Susan]

No, it wasn't. Kathy, before we go.

[Kathy]

Yes.

[Susan]

What, if anything, would you change for, like the next Golden Bachelor or Bachelorette.

[Kathy]

Show, aside from me being the lead? And I would. I mean, it is about time that they brought me in. Okay. So if that doesn't happen, I actually, and you're probably gonna laugh when I say this, I would like to see someone a little bit more golden. 65. Mel was golden. I would like to see if they do a Golden Bachelorette next. You know, Joan was what, 61 when she did it? I would like to see a woman or 60. Whatever. I would like to see a woman between 65 and 70. Somebody that's a real gold.

[Susan]

Not 23 of them. And I'd like to see more dating and really have time to get to know each other.

[Kathy]

And please, can we have different dates besides horses and dune buggies? Please, can we?

[Susan]

I mean, I keep the yachts, though.

[Kathy]

Yeah, keep the yacht and. And, you know, let's jump out of an airplane. I'd keep that. Oh, wait. And the golden. Don't get to do that either. But you know what I would seriously like to see. I would like to see people who are genuinely willing to get. Who are ready. See, I think that was part of the problem with Mel. I'm not sure he was 100% ready to go down this path. So I would like to see someone who is genuinely ready to make a commitment, whether it is, you know, long term living, living with someone. Not this. I'm going to stay in New York and you're going to stay in California. I mean, that's just, just. I want to see the full.

[Susan]

But it's tough, Kathy. But like you said, we have children, grandchildren. You're not just going to jump up and leave.

[Kathy]

Well, but again, there's something. Susan, between living full time, what have I said to you? If I meet Mr. Wright and I have two children in Austin, Texas, and I have all five of my grandchildren, all five of them are here. But if, but if I met the right guy and he lived in California or Lake Tahoe. I'm moving there if that's what he wants. And I'm going to spend one week a month here in Austin. And you know what? I'll bet I would keep my house here. I will bet you that I would see as much or more of my children coming here once a month.

[Susan]

Oh, absolutely. You do when you live there.

[Kathy]

But I, I really, I would like to see, you know, people, when you read online, they say, oh, I'd like to see more normal women, I think. And they say like 20 pounds overweight and not faceless and not hair extensions. I don't really care about that. I care about what is in the people. You know, what's in your heart. What are you really looking for? I also would like to hear more of the stories. Right. I think that's what bachelor nation was.

[Susan]

And the women didn't talk about their grandchildren. I didn't even know any of them were grandchildren. Grandparents.

[Kathy]

I don't know that any of them are.

[Susan]

They are. There's a couple of them, yes. Because I asked, but. And they had long hair. They were beautiful. They were all attractive. And to me, it geared towards a little younger.

[Kathy]

And that's when that's not gold.

[Susan]

And they think that's what people want, I guess. But we already have a young one. You want to do a middle aged one? Do a middle aged one.

[Kathy]

Right.

[Susan]

But for goldens, it should be golden. I said that from our show, Susan, is this.

[Kathy]

It's. We've reached the moment where I have to tell you they're in conversation with me about being the next golden bachelorette.

[Susan]

Then I'm hosting the show and you're hosting the show.

[Kathy]

So vote for us.

[Susan]

No. And. And hopefully, you know, it's only once a year we get goldens, but I hope it doesn't go away. I think it's possible.

[Ad Host 1]

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[Kathy]

What is the best thing for you. What is the best thing for you about golden bachelor? The golden bachelor Bachelorettes? What is the best thing about telling.

[Susan]

The world they're still alive and there's still hope? Absolutely.

[Kathy]

Exactly. That. That we have a lot of life to live and it's as.

[Susan]

As besides you, Kath, is there anybody else that you would like to see as a lead from our show? From this show? Random.

[Kathy]

I mean, I think I honestly, I think Nancy would make a great, great lead. I think she's so deserving, but I don't think she's old enough based on what I just said. I think Cindy's too young. I think these women are too young.

[Susan]

I want somebody that has, not that they don't have personality, but somebody that's going to challenge them. Like the one like you and I would. Exactly.

[Kathy]

Hello. I really, I think the biggest, and I'm being serious now, I think the biggest thing that's important to me going forward is I would like to see someone who's really over the age of 65, who's active, who's 65 or over. That's what I would like to see. And I think that because you know what, Susan, the older we get, you and I've talked about it, you become invisible. People don't. I want to show the world we're not invisible. We have thoughts. We have energy, we're kind. We have great stories.

[Susan]

We still have game, baby.

[Kathy]

That's right. And we have. We have a lot of love to give. So that's my whole thing. But anyway, this has been a blast. I love Golden's.

[Susan]

Looking forward to that new season with the youngins. There's going to be drama.

[Kathy]

There's going to be drama.

[Susan]

Thank you. All of you out there that listen to us every week. We love your comments, your thoughts, all of it.

[Kathy]

We, we really do want to hear. Maybe you have some suggestions on who you'd like to see to be the next Golden Bachelor or Golden Bachelorette. Vote for me. As they say, vote for me. Vote often. But in the meantime, be sure to follow Bachelor Happy Hour as we have new episodes coming out every week that you don't want to miss. We're so excited to get back to our episodes where we just kind of chat about life and then we're going to delving into Taylor, Frankie, Paul, and we can't wait to get started on that.

[Susan]

So keep your questions coming and listen to Bachelor Happy hours Golden hour on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you listen to your podcast. Until next time, have a great week.

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I consider myself to be a pretty good gift giver. I've got my list.

[Kathy]

Checked it twice, probably three times. She takes the holidays very seriously.

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[Kathy]

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[Kathy]

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[Susan]

Country music's biggest night, hosted by your girl, lainey Wilson.

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[Susan]

Ah.

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[Susan]

This is an I heart podcast.