Men Aren’t S*** with Demi Burnett | Golden Hour

Summary

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Bachelor Happy Hour — "Men Aren’t S*** with Demi Burnett | Golden Hour"

Release Date: May 7, 2026
Hosts: Kathy & Susan
Guest: Demi Burnett

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Episode Overview

This episode features Bachelor Nation favorite Demi Burnett in a candid, witty, and incisive conversation with Kathy and Susan. The discussion ranges from Demi’s current life, her passionate thoughts on Bachelor franchise drama (especially Taylor’s season pause), to heartfelt insights on living with autism, misconceptions about neurodivergence, and the realities of dating and womanhood. The tone is warm and irreverent, full of sharp banter, honesty, and plenty of laughs.

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Key Topics and Insights

Catching Up with Demi Burnett

[03:54–04:45]

• Demi shares her current passions: live-streaming Fortnite and building a safe, female-focused gaming community.
• Still crochets and is about to embark on a sewing project with a friend.
• Reflects on receiving her first sewing machine from Susan during a shared show experience.

Notable Quotes:

• “It’s just, like, a safe space where a bunch of girls can play video games together. Because if you know anything about video games, it can be, like, really toxic and scary... guys are really mean.” – Demi [04:14]

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Bachelor Nation Drama: Taylor’s Paused Season

[06:14–13:05]

• Discussion of Taylor’s season being paused and Demi's viral TikToks.
• Demi admits the drama is “absolute cinema” but complex emotionally.
• Her hot take: little sympathy for the male cast members and a call for more women-centric media.

Notable Quotes:

• “You know what? Them boys, I don’t care about the boys, the men, I don’t care about their feelings and how they’re saying this is shown. I’m sorry, I don’t care. I don’t.” – Demi [07:12]

• “Women are providing so much inspo and creativity, and we are just stunning to look at. And what are these men doing? All they’re doing is getting attention and getting a bunch of dms from a bunch of women who are better than them and they don’t even know it.” – Demi [07:31]

• “I would like to see them do what? Clean up something. Cook something.” – Demi [08:41]

• Demi says the show’s pause surprised her given the incident was “from a long time ago” and had already been subject to legal review.

• She voices frustration over men’s behavior impacting the franchise and references Dakota as a “demon” who ruins women’s lives (while clarifying it’s her pattern recognition and not documented fact) [09:44].

• Demi hasn’t spoken to Taylor about the drama, but has a connection to Taylor’s sister via online gaming streams.

[12:19–13:05]

• On Taylor reclaiming the roses: Demi suspects the men “were not acting right” and identifies with taking agency back in such situations.

Notable Quote:

• “If I find out that there’s any funny business, any funny business, you’re gonna go get them. Yes, yes. Because I’m not playing those mind games.” – Demi [12:28]

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On Autism, Acceptance, and Misconceptions

[17:08–26:35]

Autism Acceptance Month

• Demi provides personal perspective on living with autism:
  • Dispels stereotypes (“the typical boy who likes trains or doesn’t talk”).
  • Explains the spectrum is not linear but more like a circle—traits and support needs can vary greatly between individuals.
  • Physical touch varies widely in the autistic community [19:17].

Notable Quotes:

• “The biggest misconception is that people think it looks a certain way... there’s no way that you could look at someone and know.” – Demi [17:54, 18:28]
• “Some autistic people love to be touched... for me, I would be panicked and feel trapped.” – Demi [19:17]

Unique Autistic “Love Languages”

• Hosts introduce “penguin pebbling” (giving small meaningful tokens) as a love language within the autistic community.
• Demi loves the concept:
  • “It’s my way of showing you. Like, I think of you and this made me think of you. And I want you to know, like, that’s actually thoughtful.” [20:37]
• Explains “parallel play” and “body doubling” — comfort found in doing independent tasks in one another’s company (e.g., crocheting together or chatting on FaceTime while doing chores).

Humorous Moment:

• Susan: “That’s like normal, though. That’s normal life with girlfriends, is it not?”
• Demi: “Susan, you’re probably autistic on the spectrum.” [22:40]

Advice for Autism Acceptance

• The best thing people can do: ask how to support, don’t tell or assume.

  • “A great question to ask is like, ‘How can I best support you?’… And not saying ‘I can do this to support you’... ask what you can do.” – Demi [24:31]

• Encourages independent research and avoiding outdated misconceptions.

• Kathy points out that this advice extends to all relationships.

Personal Example:

• Demi shares how Susan supported her by getting food during a shared experience, listening to Demi’s needs and responding with care [26:40].

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Demystifying Demi: The Person Behind the Persona

[33:21–35:37]

• Demi expresses that public perceptions don’t always match reality—she’s empathetic and values equality, not the “mean girl” character some imagine.

  • “At the end of the day, deep down, like, I don’t have a bad bone in my body... I want to do the right thing at the end of the day every time and I want to do what’s right for everyone.” – Demi [33:30]

• She credits her live streaming community with helping her show her real self to more people.

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On Love, Dating, and Female Solidarity

[36:03–38:58]

• Demi is “closed for business” when it comes to dating.
  • “Not a thing. Not a single thing. We are closed for business. In order to open up, it’s gonna be a lot.” [36:03]
• She candidly declares her new criteria: “I’m not looking for love anymore. I’m looking for money.” [36:10]
• A humorous, pointed riff on how men’s presence rarely improves women’s lives.
  • “Men’s lives improve with women. Women’s lives only get worse with men. Literally, they only get worse with men. Like, we are so much happier once they pass away.” [36:49]
• Suggests women should recognize their power and “seal her up” until men “start acting right.” [37:19]

Memorable Exchanges:

• “We have the power of the—” (implied: “pussy”) – Demi [37:33]

• “We are so much happier once they pass away.” [36:52]

• Celebrates her grandmother’s long, happy, and man-free life as proof.

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Projects, TV, and Future Plans

[39:16–40:44]

• No immediate plans for TV appearances but would love to be on “The Traitors.”
• Jokes about getting the three of them (herself, Kathy, and Susan) cast.
• Discusses not being invited to the Hulu party and comments on the rise of new reality TV powers.
• Admits it’s hard to get excited for new “Bachelor” seasons she’s not involved in, though she humors the hosts about its 2027 return.

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Memorable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• “They ruin everything. They’ve infiltrated everything and they’ve ruined everything. So it’s like a nice little safe space for girly pops who like to play video games, too.” – Demi [04:34]
• “If you know anything about video games, it’s really toxic and scary because, like, guys are really mean and messed.” – Demi [04:03]
• “Men’s lives improve with women. Women’s lives only get worse with men.” – Demi [36:49]
• “It’s my way of, like, showing you. Like, I think of you and this made me think of you.” – Demi on “penguin pebbling” [20:37]
• “The spectrum is like a circle and all around the circle are like, different things… So, you have like, different amounts of all of those. That’s the spectrum. It’s not a linear spectrum.” – Demi [18:28]

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Segment Timestamps

• [03:54] – Demi’s life updates: gaming, crocheting, sewing adventures
• [06:14] – Taylor’s season, Bachelor franchise drama
• [09:29] – On the pause and Dakota’s influence
• [12:19] – Taking back the roses: Demi’s interpretation
• [17:08] – Autism acceptance: misconceptions and the spectrum
• [20:17] – Autistic “love languages”: penguin pebbling, parallel play
• [24:20] – Moving from awareness to acceptance: practical advice
• [33:21] – The “real” Demi: empathy and public perception
• [36:03] – Dating, men, and feminist solidarity
• [39:16] – TV hopes, Hulu party, Bachelor’s return
• [40:58] – Wrap-up and tease for part two

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Final Thoughts

The episode is a blend of empathy, unfiltered takes, and humor. Demi’s takes on Bachelor drama, gaming culture, and being a woman with autism are powerful and nuanced, delivered with characteristic wit. The conversation offers both laughs and meaningful insights, especially on embracing neurodiversity and female agency.

Stay tuned for part two!

Transcript

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[Kathy]

Welcome back to golden hour. I'm Kathy.

[Susan]

And I'm Susan. And it's so nice. I'm so happy to be back.

[Kathy]

We are so happy to have you back. We had fun with our guest hosts, but we missed you, Susan. So yay. I'm glad you're. Personally, I'm so glad you're back.

[Susan]

Thank you.

[Kathy]

Okay, today we have. Don't we always have special guests? But this one is a favorite. Our favorite bachelor in paradise, girl, Demi. And we are so happy to have you here. Hi, Demi.

[Demi]

Hi. I'm so happy to be here. I love chatting with you ladies, hanging out with you. I've missed you.

[Susan]

How are you?

[Demi]

I'm good. Yeah.

[Susan]

It's nice to see you again.

[Demi]

It's so good to see you. I want to hug you.

[Susan]

I know. Soon, baby.

[Demi]

Soon. Yeah.

[Susan]

So what's going on in Demi's world? Talk to me.

[Demi]

Well, I mean, what do I do A lot. I stream a lot. I stream playing fortnite and playing video games. Yeah. So that's what I do a lot. And I still crochet. So, yeah. Crocheting and playing a lot of video games. And, like, I have, like, a cool little online community now. And, you know, it's, like, slowly growing, but it's just, like a safe space where a bunch of girls can play video games together. Because if you know anything about video games, it can be, like, really toxic and scary because, like, guys are really mean and nest. Yeah.

[Kathy]

So not just. Not just with video games. May I say no.

[Demi]

They're literally. They ruin everything. They've infiltrated everything and they've ruined everything. So it's like a nice little safe space for girly pops who like to play video games, too.

[Susan]

What about sewing? Have you had the sewing machine out at all?

[Demi]

Well, no, but me and my friend, we do have a project coming up, and we are going to use the sewing machine in June. In June, the sewing machine is going to be used. We are making.

[Susan]

Just so all of our listeners know, when we were on got to get out together, she had an interest in sewing but had no clue. So I bought her a starter sewing machine.

[Demi]

She did. And I have sewed. I've made a pair of Pants. I've made a pillowcase and I've cut out some fabric to make some more pillowcases. I just haven't done it yet. But I'm really excited to do this thing in June because we're like making a surprise dress for one of our friends and so like, they're gonna be so excited. And also I have been like doing it with me. So, you know, it's like you can always just get more done with an extra set of hands.

[Susan]

That's so exciting.

[Kathy]

It is. I want to be part of your online community. I have to tell you, Demi, I just taught my 7 year old granddaughter how to crochet and she is the most cracker jack chainer you've ever seen. I've got her into single crocheting. We're about to learn double crocheting. But yeah, I'm the queen of afghan making with crocheting.

[Demi]

Oh, my God.

[Susan]

The needle point with her yet, Kathy? She's too young.

[Kathy]

She's too young for.

[Demi]

That's so cool though. That's so special that you can teach her that. I'm excited because, like the blanket I'm working on right now, a lot of people are like, that's a good family heirloom. And I'm like, you're so right. Someone be fighting for this. When I'm broke, they better be fighting over it.

[Kathy]

There you go.

[Susan]

All right, Debbie, now we've seen your tiktoks about wanting to see Taylor's season and that whole taking the roses back moment. You know what I'm referring to, right? What were your thoughts on the pause and how have you felt watching it all play out? I mean, what are you thinking?

[Demi]

I mean, absolute cinema. I mean, I am. I've never been so hooked and locked in and on something for so long. You know, it's been. I mean, it's very unfortunate for everyone involved, but as like a bystander, objectively it's been very entertaining. And I mean, of course it's also been very sad. It's very. I very complex feelings about it. But the ultimate feeling is like, let's see it, release it. You know, let us see it. Because so many people worked hard on it, not just her. Like there's a whole. And you know what? Them boys, I don't care about the boys, the men, I don't care about their feelings and how they're saying this is shown. I'm sorry, I don't care. I don't. I have zero. Zero.

[Susan]

Why? Why do you say that?

[Demi]

Because I Don't think that we need any more male influencers. I just don't. I don't. I don't think they're. What are they really doing on the Internet? Like, women are providing so much inspo and creativity, and we are just stunning to look at. And what are these men doing? All they're doing is getting attention and getting a bunch of dms from a bunch of women who are better than them and they don't even know it.

[Susan]

Women don't get the DMs. Is that it?

[Kathy]

Women do get the DMs.

[Susan]

Women get the DMs as well.

[Demi]

Well, that's fine, but I'm sure they don't get the same amount. I'm sure not near the same amount.

[Susan]

Are you a little biased maybe? Like, you like women?

[Demi]

The reason that I think that I know this is because I was one of those girls before I ever was on the show. I absolutely would have been their DMs. I probably was. I think I was in Nick Viall's DMs. Like, come on. Okay. I know what they're getting, and it's just. Yeah, it disgusts me. They are mid dudes who don't even have a real job, but they have muscles.

[Kathy]

Demi. Demi. They have great bodies to look at. Come on. That's something they have. I mean, you may not want it, but they have great bodies.

[Demi]

You know what I would like to see them do? What? Clean up something. Cook something. You know?

[Susan]

Do you see why I love her?

[Demi]

Take care of me. Because I've been taking care of myself for, like, the past however many years. I've lived alone, like, seven years. I'm sick of it. You think I want to take care of someone else, too? Absolutely not. Absolutely not.

[Kathy]

Wait a minute.

[Demi]

Moving right along.

[Kathy]

Hold on, hold on. I just want to say, Demi, if you feel that struggling now, I can't wait till you get to be our age. You're going to be. You're going to be, you know, taking names and kicking ass. That's. That's what you're going to be doing.

[Demi]

They're not going to be safe because I'm fed up. I'm fed up.

[Kathy]

All right, so let's get. I want to get back to the. To the show. As fed up as you are, did you ever expect that the show would be paused? Did. Were you surprised that it was paused?

[Demi]

I was surprised that it was paused. Honestly, I did not think that it would get paused because the incident that, like, caused it, I guess, to get paused Was from a long time ago.

[Susan]

Right.

[Demi]

And it was as they already had their day in court or whatever over that. So it's like we already knew that some. I mean, we saw it on the Secret lives of Mormon Wives. Like, we already knew, like this really bad moment happened. The thing that makes me so sick is that I know that this is just exactly what Dakota wanted. Like, Dakota is a demon himself. Like, I think that they both have their issues, but him, demon like that is a life ruining man. And he will cause women to go crazy and act out of character and lose like themselves and like all of their toxicity to that. I'm not saying that's 100% what's going on. I need to. I need to back it up because I don't know also, please don't sue me. All right?

[Susan]

That's just your assumption. That's all.

[Demi]

This is just, this is what I'm seeing, the patterns I'm recognizing and like, yeah, so I hate that he's winning. I hate that, like her not like the season not being aired is like a win for him.

[Susan]

Have you got to talk to Taylor at all or any of the guys that were on her season by chance?

[Demi]

No, I haven't talked to Taylor at all. No. The only time I've ever talked to. Well, I've met Taylor, but, you know, her sister comes into my lives sometimes in my live streams because her sister plays Fortnite. So I've talked to her sister, but not since then. Now, since everything has gone down. But yeah, it's. I mean, what did you guys think about whenever they. It was canceled. What happened?

[Kathy]

I mean, it hasn't been canceled. It hasn't been canceled.

[Demi]

Sorry, pause. Yeah, this is happening.

[Kathy]

Yeah. I think that, you know, the network, you know, when you have that kind of mishegosh going on, you don't want to do the wrong thing. You.

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[Kathy]

And I think that's what they're being safe rather than sorry. That's what I'm saying.

[Susan]

My opinion, I think now that they paused it, there's so much curiosity out there.

[Demi]

Oh, my gosh. I mean, I'm dying to see it. Me and all my friends are dying to see it. And we got the promo. And the promo is stunning. I love someone who's gonna come in here and be like, I don't care what you think. The value of this flower is like, I'm taking it back or whatever, you know, because I infamously came in and picked up the rose and everyone lost their mind over it. So I like to see them, like, breaking. I like to see how she's like breaking the character. Breaking the fourth wall almost, but not. It's like she's going against, like, what you're supposed to do on the show. And it's fantastic.

[Kathy]

What do you. Why do you. Do you have any idea? I mean, in the promo, we don't really know why she took the roses back. What are your thoughts? What do you think happened? Do you have any idea?

[Demi]

No, but I, I assume that the men were not acting right. You know, they. I would do the same thing. I could see myself doing it.

[Susan]

Such a thing pissed her off.

[Demi]

Yeah, yeah. There. If I find out that they're any funny business. Any funny business, you're going to go get them. Yes, yes. Because I'm not playing those mind games. And you know what? That's probably where she's at in the Bachelorette. Is any kind of mind games anything that's making her question herself or, like, you know, think, wait, what's going on? I don't know. That's when she was like, nope, I'm not doing that anymore because that's what I've been doing with Dakota. So if that's happening to me, I'm taking those roses back. I don't know.

[Susan]

Good point. Very, very well spoken that way.

[Kathy]

I love it.

[Susan]

I like this. All right, we're going to switch it up just a little bit. We'll come back to it if you like.

[Kathy]

We'll come back. We're going to come back.

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[Kathy]

you are very strong opinions, but the other thing, Demi, that you have spoken out about is. And it is Autism acceptance month, and you've been open about your diagnosis and your experience over the past few years. And I know that people say we can't ask you to speak for everyone with autism. If you've met, if we're asking you a question about autism, we're asking you your opinion. You're not speaking for the community at large. So let me say that first. But what are some of the biggest misconceptions people. You think people still have about autism?

[Demi]

Well, I think there's a lot. I think there's still like a stereotypical view of autism, which is like, you know, the typical boy who likes trains or doesn't talk and stuff like that. But we're like, we're understanding that it's like being autistic means that you have a different way of like, sensing and perceiving the world. So every autistic person, there is no. Okay. The biggest misconception is that people think it looks a certain way.

[Kathy]

Right.

[Demi]

My phone. Like, there is no one way. It is so. So you could not. There's. There's no way that you could look at someone and know because it is so different for everyone that has it in the spectrum. It's not like this, like, you're not like on the spectrum. A little bit. Like a little bit here and then a lot of it here. Like, the spectrum is like a circle and all around the circle are like, different things like executive function, communicate, verbal communication, stuff like that. Like, all kinds of things. I've made the chart before, but so, so you have like different amounts of all of those. That's like the spectrum. It's not a linear spectrum.

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[Susan]

And physical touch is some that I've noticed in people. Like, they can't. They don't like to be touched.

[Demi]

Yes, yes, yes. But some autistic people love to be touched. And some autistic people are actually with a big hug. Squeezing them can actually regulate them. Whereas for me, I would be panicked and feel trapped. You know, it's so Demi.

[Kathy]

And then she's running.

[Susan]

Except when I hug you.

[Demi]

Oh, no. When you hug me. No, it's different. It's very different because you're very safe.

[Kathy]

Very safe. I was doing a little bit of research. You know, I have some friends who are on the. On the. Have the diagnosis of autism and their. Some friends who have children have the same diagnosis. But I came across this article and I was actually curious about your thoughts on it. You know, they talk about. Susan, I talk about the love languages, you know, this. Whatever it is, the five love languages. And I was reading an article about people with autism and was saying that the love languages are different.

[Demi]

The pebble.

[Kathy]

Yes, pebble. Penguin pebbling.

[Demi]

Yes.

[Kathy]

And I thought that was. So tell everyone what that is. Because instead of gift giving, it's penguin pebbling. And instead of a physical touch, it's deep pressure. And there were all of them. Went through all of them. But I was so interested to read about that. Can you talk about that a little bit?

[Demi]

Yes. I can't remember what they all are, but if you name them, then I could tell you more about them. But I remember the penguin pebbling because I just thought like, that was so. I related to it so much. It's like giving, like, little gifts that, like, maybe aren't even a gift, but it's like something that I saw that made me think of you. And it could be something like a cap of a lipstick or something. And it's like just something so little. But like, it's my way of like showing you. Like, I think of you and this made me think of you. And I want you to know, like, that's actually thoughtful.

[Kathy]

Right?

[Susan]

That's.

[Kathy]

No, but, but, but gift giving. What I read. Sorry.

[Demi]

It's like weird little gifts. Like, like, not, not normal. Like, like. Okay, Susan, for you, I would give

[Susan]

you

[Demi]

this little tiny fake lighter. Reminds me of. You know, I don't want to, but you know what I mean?

[Susan]

Because you think of me. Yes.

[Demi]

I'd be like, for in the morning with your coffee, you know, something silly and cute like that.

[Kathy]

So. Yeah, and, and, and that's what I read that it. It holds personal meaning to the person. Another one, Demi was parallel play.

[Demi]

Oh, my favorite. My favorite. It's like you're in the same room with someone and. But you're each doing your own thing, so you're not engaging together in the same activity. You're each doing your own activity, but in the same room at the same time.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Demi]

Yes, yes, yes. And that can, like, for me, that kind of goes with like, body doubling. Like, if. Usually I'll do it like on FaceTime, like with a friend and she's doing like, Chores around her house. And so like I'm doing chores around my house too. And we're like both doing stuff at the same time and. Or sometimes, though she doesn't even have to be doing anything. I just need another presence there to chit chat while I'm doing the chores around her.

[Susan]

That's like normal, though. That's. That's normal life with girlfriends, is it not?

[Demi]

Susan? You're probably autistic on the spectrum.

[Susan]

I am the spectrum.

[Demi]

Yeah. Like we're. We're so. We connected so fast, so readily. Oh, my gosh. Yes. You have. You have so no social awareness Sometimes. Yeah.

[Susan]

It's just because I don't have a filter and don't care.

[Demi]

We are conditioned by society to care. So the fact that you don't. That you go against the grain this much screams autism.

[Susan]

Okay, then I'd let. But back in my day, they didn't diagnose anyone then.

[Demi]

No.

[Susan]

You know, the adhd, I had the whole probably Alphabet, if you will. But Kathy knows how I feel. I live through my rose colored glasses. And that's the world that I like to choose to live in. A happy, kind place.

[Demi]

Yes. And you should live there. And I love it there. And I love being in your world. Your world is amazing. It is. And no, it's fabulous. It's so full of love and joy and laughter.

[Kathy]

Well, Debbie, I want you to come into my world too. I want you in my world too. We can crochet together. Parallel play. Crocheting.

[Demi]

Yes. We need. I need to come into Kathy's world some. Yes. Because me and Kathy, we'll. We'll have some realism there, you know.

[Kathy]

There you go. There you go.

[Susan]

You can make me something. I'd like it in pink, please. Thank you.

[Kathy]

Okay. We could. I can manage that. Okay.

[Demi]

I would love to crochet with you. That would be so cute.

[Kathy]

Susan, I'm going to teach you crochet. And the three of us.

[Susan]

I crocheted how many Afghans back in my day.

[Demi]

Back in her day.

[Susan]

Been there, done that.

[Kathy]

Okay. I just, I want to know Demi, like, because it's, you know, things like autism, suicide we've talked about. People don't know what to say. They say the wrong thing. They don't know how to ask.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

What. What are some ways that you would say that people can move beyond awareness of, in this case autism, but actually practice real acceptance with others?

[Demi]

Totally. Okay. This. Listen to autistic people and maybe ask them. Like the one a great question to ask is like, how can I best support you. Like, support, support, support. Like, what can I do to support support you? And not saying I can do this to support you. Like, no, ask what you can do. Because there has been a misconception about autism for so long about, like, ways to, like, fix it, quote, unquote, or whatever. And a lot of it is really damaging. And it's like, it. You don't need to force them to do things. It's okay, let them do it at their own pace or whatever. But, like, a lot of the forcing is really damaging. So, like, more of, like, asking questions and also looking into, like, modern research for yourself. If you have someone in your life who is autistic and you want to know how to support better, maybe look it up. So whenever you do ask them, you are, like, familiar with what they might

[Susan]

be talking about and not make assumptions. Don't assume that you know what's best for that person.

[Demi]

Absolutely.

[Susan]

Asking is totally fine.

[Kathy]

I like it. But, Susan, I would. I would. Demi, I love your answer. I think that is. It's right on the money. But I think it also crosses over into really all relationships. I'm guilty of this. Let me help you. Let me tell you what you need to do. When I think asking in general, how can I support you? What do you need? Instead of telling someone, I think that cuts across all communities. That's a really good reminder. So thank you for saying that.

[Demi]

I love that. That's awesome. I feel like a lot of learning about my neurodivergence and learning about my brain has led into, like, what I would want in a partner of, like, understanding myself. Helps me to have compassion for everyone else as well. But, yeah, so it is. It's like, you. You want someone who's just going to be willing to understand your brain the way that you're understanding your brain and the way that I'm willing to try to understand everyone else's brain and how I find compassion for everyone, even, you know, when they are being mean or ugly.

[Susan]

So if I were to ask you, how could I support you, Demi, what would you tell me?

[Demi]

You already know. Feed me. You feed me.

[Susan]

This is for everyone that's listening.

[Demi]

This is how Susan supported me and got to get out. I told Susan. I said, susan, I can't go up there and get the food from the place. Like, I'm too scared to, like, I don't know why. I just. I'm never gonna eat. I will never eat if you don't help me here. I need you to get me a plate or put enough on your plate for both of us, please.

[Susan]

I would feed her.

[Demi]

I begged her. And she was like, okay, freak, whatever.

[Kathy]

Like, nice, Susan, nice. You call her a freak? Great.

[Demi]

No, she didn't. She didn't.

[Susan]

I adopted her. Are you kidding? She was like my daughter.

[Demi]

She immediately did it. She was making me breakfast in the morning. She was always taking. She was. You were fully supporting me, like, And. And no one else. Like, I couldn't have asked anyone else to do that, you know? Like, I needed you.

[Kathy]

Well, Debbie, if I'd been there. If I had been there, this would have been a map.

[Susan]

You would have starved.

[Kathy]

No, she wouldn't have. I. The fact that I didn't have to it call. Cook you food. I just had to go and get it. I would have gone for you three times a day. It's. If I said, demi, how can I support you? And you said, could you cook me a meal? He'd be like, oh, God, she's gonna die. She's gonna stop.

[Demi]

No, I just leave it in front of me. I don't care where it comes from.

[Kathy]

Oh, I love you. I love you. Okay, I wanna know, what is it like? Have you watched Love on the Spectrum? And if you have, what's it like for you to watch a show like that?

[Demi]

I have not watched the new season. I've watched a little bit of it. Um, I. I really enjoy, like, seeing. I love seeing, like, autistic personalities, and I love seeing them get to shine. And not in a way where everyone's making fun of them. It's in a way where everyone, like, loves them. And I think that that's, like, some of the coolest stuff I've ever seen.

[Susan]

Like, would you ever go on the show like that? Would you?

[Demi]

I. I don't think it's. I think it's more of, like, level two, level three autistic people. I mean, if they had, like, more like, level one people, then, yeah, I would. But, I mean, I don't know, again, if level two, level three means more support needs. And, like, I already have, like, I have low support needs, but, like, it. I'm already. I'm exhausted. You know, I am. I'm living off hot and spicy McChickens at this point.

[Kathy]

Like, wait, why are you exhausted? What's going on?

[Demi]

Just, like, taking care of myself. And I have four pets, and I clean up after them all the time.

[Kathy]

Four pets.

[Demi]

I have three cats and a dog. And, you know, that's just.

[Kathy]

Do you want two more cats? I have two geriatric. Cats that need home?

[Demi]

No. Do you want some cats? I'll give you one.

[Kathy]

No, I have two. Thank you. Thank you.

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[Susan]

Demi if there is one, what is the most frustrating narrative or misconception about you that just won't go away?

[Demi]

Maybe just like I kind of like sometimes I wish, I mean but it's okay. But like sometimes I wish that like people understood that like at the end of the day, deep down, like I don't have a bad bone in my body. Like I really don't. As much as I talk like all my bark. Like I'm not going to. I want to do the right thing at the end of the day every time and I want to do what's right for everyone. Like I really am extremely empathetic. I am very self centered. I get that. I am. But I am also like I am very empathetic and I care about equality more than one of my biggest values is people feeling equal. And yeah, I don't know, I just, I. I want to do the right thing.

[Susan]

Like you're telling me people think you don't. Is that a misguided.

[Demi]

Well, I don't know. I think that. I think that people probably think that, you know, I'm malicious and I mean

[Kathy]

Susan, I get that people have said me, I don't have a mean bone in my body, but I. I've never thought of you that way, Demi, so it's interesting to hear you say that.

[Demi]

Yeah, I. I think that. I think that maybe people think that I'm a. I might be mean girl or I have been a mean girl before.

[Susan]

You know, your. Your bark is a chihuahua, not a pit bull. Okay. Just. Just so you know.

[Demi]

Yeah, it's just. Yeah.

[Kathy]

Chihuahua with bangs.

[Demi]

Yeah, I. I think that. What'd you say?

[Kathy]

I said a chihuahua with bangs.

[Demi]

Chihuahua bangs. Yeah, I think. I think I. I just, you know, but also, it doesn't. It's okay. Whatever everyone thinks, because, like, I think that going live has, like, helped me a lot to, like, I'm the same exact way I am on live, off of live. And so, like, to get to just, like, show people, like, who I am, like, and just, like, meet a bunch of people that are, like, minded or, like, you know, love it or get along with me and stuff. It's. It's. It's, like, validating, and it's like, hey, I. I'm okay.

[Susan]

Yes, you are. You are. You're better than I can tell you.

[Kathy]

You're not Okay. I want to jump to a new topic here, one that's near and dear to my heart. Demi, I heard that you have taken or. Last time we talked, you'd been taking a break from dating. And are you still taking a break from dating? What? Do you have any updates on that? Because, you know, I'm living in cricket land over here, so. What's going on with you?

[Demi]

Nothing, baby. Nothing. Not a thing. Not a single thing. We are closed for business in order to open up. It's gonna be a lot. It's gonna take a lot at this point, okay? I'm not looking for love anymore. I'm looking for money. Okay? I have looked for love, and all it left me was broke. Okay? I need a stable person with good finances, financial good. I've been. I've never had anyone, like, spoil me when I. When I've been dating, ever. I've never had, like, someone buy me a bunch of stuff. So I'm like, you know what? I want that. Call me crazy. No, I wouldn't.

[Susan]

Call me crazy.

[Kathy]

I mean, I'd like to say to you that it's right around the corner, but sitting in my not pink chair, it's pretty much the same story that you're living. It just. It doesn't get better.

[Demi]

We are. No, we are Better for it. Because I saw this thing that said that men. Men's lives improve with women. Women's lives only get worse with men. Literally, they only get worse with men. Like, we are so much happier once they pass away.

[Kathy]

But wait a minute. Wait a minute, Demi. Two things can be true at one time, right? But what you're saying is there's no hope for us. There's no hope. If. If we give everything and we get nothing, we're screwed.

[Demi]

No, there's hope. There's hope. The hope is they start acting right. The hope is we all close them up. Everybody seal her up. And we say, no, we're not. We have the power. We have the power of the.

[Susan]

We always have.

[Demi]

And we just forgot. And we've been trained to think that we don't. They have literally trained us for years and years and years into submission. But we got to remember we can make them do anything that we want because they.

[Kathy]

Particularly if they're 60 and you're 30.

[Demi]

I don't even. I wouldn't even want that. Okay. I know. I don't want that.

[Susan]

She's, like, not going after prom.

[Demi]

That's your man. What do you mean? Come get your man.

[Kathy]

Come get my man. Let me know what bus stop he's at. He's at. I'll be right over.

[Susan]

Debbie, how about your mom?

[Demi]

My mom is good. My great grandma just passed away. Finally. I know grandma something. I don't know exactly. Yeah. And her mom lived to be in her 90s, too. My great grand. My great great grandma was alive when I was a baby.

[Kathy]

You know what this means, Demi? You got a lot of years left to find your right person.

[Demi]

And guess what? So my entire life, I've known my Gigi. She has not been with a man because her husband had passed away. And so Gigi was so happy because she had her own house with all of her knickknacks everywhere. And it was just everything she wanted. And that's why I think she lives so long, is because she was husbandless for so many years, and she was

[Susan]

happy with what she wanted.

[Demi]

Yes. Everything that she wanted.

[Susan]

There's something to be said about that.

[Kathy]

Oh, God. Okay.

[Demi]

Well, my mom has been taking care of my granny because my granny, you know, it's devastating for her, but, like, we all knew that it was coming. She. She begged my granny to. She was like, please let me die. Please. I've outlived my body. Please.

[Susan]

And so, any new updates for your life? Any projects? Are we going to see you on tv? Anytime soon or.

[Demi]

No, but I wish. Who. Someone talk to Dina Katz and tell her to put me on the Traders, please.

[Kathy]

No, I want traders. Trust me.

[Demi]

All right, maybe that.

[Kathy]

You know what, Susan? Let's get the three of us on there.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Demi]

I mean, come on. Come on. Let us be on there. It'd be amazing. It'd be amazing. Stop putting the dudes on there.

[Kathy]

I'm telling you, of all. All the competition shows that are out there, that's the one I want to do really well. Unless it's. Unless it's, you know, going to Vanderpump Villa and having men fall over me in the hot tub.

[Demi]

But, you know, they should have you go on Vanderpump.

[Susan]

Did you go to the Hulu party this year?

[Demi]

No. I didn't get invited either.

[Kathy]

Why?

[Susan]

So much fun.

[Demi]

I know. Me and I wanted to go. I wanted to get invited. I was like. I asked my manager. I didn't get invited. But that's okay, you know. You know, because it's the biggest show in right now. I mean, that's. That's the. That's the new Bachelor, you know, that's. Oh, to get millions of followers now.

[Kathy]

Oh, no way to. Hold on. Debbie, what do you think about Bachelor coming back? Bachelor's coming back and Bachelor in paradise in 2027? What's your thoughts on that?

[Demi]

Oh, who. Who.

[Kathy]

Who?

[Demi]

Me, The Bachelor. Sorry. Who's Bachelor?

[Kathy]

We. I don't know, but they said last week it's coming back. Are you excited that they're bringing back paradise and Bachelor in 2027?

[Demi]

Yes. You know, I'm going to be honest with you. It's really hard sometimes for me to get excited for things that I'm not involved in. Do you know what I mean?

[Kathy]

Hey, I must be. Susan, you and I must be autistic, too, because we're right there with you, dummy.

[Demi]

It's just that. I mean, most people probably feel that way. They just probably wouldn't say it, but,

[Susan]

like, I could sit here and talk to you.

[Demi]

I'm sorry. So excited for the Bachelor and Bachelor parents to come back. I'm watching with my friends. I know.

[Kathy]

We're done. We're done. We're done with the Bachelor. We're done. We're. We're moving on. Okay, that's all for now with Demi, but stay tuned because part two will be out very soon. See you next time.

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