Menopause, Microtrends, and Technology’s Grip on Us | Golden Hour

Summary

---

Bachelor Happy Hour: Golden Hour

Episode: "Menopause, Microtrends, and Technology’s Grip on Us"
Air Date: January 23, 2026
Hosts: Susan & Kathy (special “Golden Hour” edition)

---

Episode Overview

This episode of Bachelor Happy Hour’s “Golden Hour” takes a lively, candid look at some of the hottest—and most relatable—topics for women in their sixties (and beyond): How technology is reshaping relationships and childhood, what’s real vs. fleeting in the world of fashion (“microtrends”), the truths and myths of menopause, and deep reflections on dating, marriage, and self-care. Susan and Kathy trade honest stories, playful banter, and open up about changing values, social media, and the things they’re officially leaving behind or bringing more of in 2026.

---

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Fast Pace of Time & Aging

• The hosts compare the speed of time as you age, and poke fun at their upcoming birthdays.
• Notable moment:
  • Susan: “It races to my birthday and then it slows. It’s the big one coming, Kathy. The 69. That is huge.” (03:51)
  • Kathy: “We’re going to be in Europe somewhere, I hope. Filming something.” (04:21)

---

2. Why Is Dating So Hard Right Now? (04:44–06:13)

• Susan’s view:
  “They’re swiping left, they’re swiping right, and everybody thinks there’s something better.” (04:51)
  She admits to falling into the swipe culture herself when she was on dating apps, always looking for something better.
• Both reflect on the endless choices technology provides, and how it’s replaced traditional setups and in-person meetings.
  • Kathy: “People just don’t have or make the time as much, I think right now, to date.” (06:02)

---

3. Technology: The Paradigm Shift (06:13–10:23)

• Effects on Kids:
  Technology defines kids’ friendships and play—most connect online for everything.
  • Kathy: “Once we introduce technology, there’s no going back. There is a paradigm shift between what childhood was like for us and what childhood is like for kids now.” (07:49)
  • Kids rarely play outside; parents struggle to manage their children’s tech use and exposure.
• Social Media Pressure:
  Susan and Kathy discuss the curated nature of social media and its negative impacts, such as bullying and unrealistic life comparisons.
  • Kathy: “Only the good moments, right? … Kids look and they think they have a terrible life because they’re seeing these imaginary lives out there.” (09:39)

---

4. The Obsession with Skincare & Anti-Aging in Young Girls (10:23–12:58)

• Susan’s advice: Focus on teaching basic self-care (clean skin, sun protection), but laments how marketing targets very young girls.
  • Susan: “My granddaughter Bella, who was 13 years old, had a specific eye cream that she wanted for Christmas. I said, really?” (12:06)
• Kathy’s concern:
  “If a kid’s saying...my skin, look, it’s getting old, I need plastic surgery...kids go online… the marketing genius is unbelievable. But I don’t like that kids obsess over that. I really don’t.” (11:16, 12:21)

---

5. Microtrends vs. Timeless Style (13:18–16:11)

• Kathy shares her staples (navy blazer, cashmere sweater, trench coats): “They’re timeless.”
• Susan names microtrends as short-lived items like extreme crop tops or specific shoe styles.
• Both agree that women should wear what feels good, regardless of trends.
  • Kathy: “A micro trend is something that literally is in and goes.” (14:50)

Aging, Body Image, and Fashion Choices

• They recall an event where Susan wore leather hot pants—and the mixed reactions this drew.
  • Kathy: “For me, it’s about comfort… It has nothing to do with age.” (21:10)

---

6. Menopause—What No One Talks About (22:20–26:36)

• Women aren’t prepared: Both say there’s not enough discussion or preparation for menopause’s realities.
  • Kathy: “It’s like, you know that cliff is coming...and they don’t know what to do because nobody prepared them.” (23:11)
• Effects go beyond hot flashes, including emotional shifts and libido.
  • Susan: “It happens to your brain as well...there are things you can do… hormone replacement, but the way you think is not the way you used to think.” (24:10)
• Myth-busting: Not every woman has the same symptoms; some have none.
  • Kathy: “Menopause looks different for everybody…the more research you do…the better off you'll be.” (26:05)

---

7. Questions to Ask Before Marriage (26:37–32:07)

• Real-life example: Kathy shares advice for a friend's daughter debating commitment to her high school sweetheart.
  • Kathy: “There's no right or wrong answer…I would not advise anyone to date the same guy from 18 and marry him. But...sometimes God gives you what you need when you're really young.” (27:23)
• Important conversations before moving in: finances, children, career, division of labor.
• Susan: “Can you live with A, B and C that he does, or can he live with you and what you do? … The key—what you just said, the compromise part, because there is no perfect anybody.” (29:55, 30:48)
• On partnership vs. marriage: Both accept partnerships, especially without children, but Kathy feels if kids are involved, marriage is ideal.

---

8. Things Women Shouldn’t Tolerate in Relationships (35:43–38:13)

• Respect is non-negotiable:
  Susan: “I’m tired of seeing women put up with the way their spouse…talk to them.” (36:07)
• Diminishing dreams:
  Kathy: “I hate when I hear a woman say, ‘I gave up my dreams because my husband wanted this…’ Women give up their dreams sometimes too easily.” (36:43)
• They plan a future episode to further unpack this topic.

---

9. 2026 “Ins & Outs” List (38:14–51:31)

• A playful segment where the hosts share new year’s resolutions—what they intend to do more (‘ins’) and less (‘outs’) of, personally and in life.

Some ‘Ins’:

• More one-on-one dates on The Bachelor franchise (39:00)
• Self-care—including regular power walking (39:10)
• Writing and journaling (40:01)
• Speaking personal truth (41:00)
• In-person podcast interviews (41:37)
• Irish goodbyes at social events—leaving without long farewells (42:14)
• Trying new restaurants and writing reviews (43:08)
• Reading more physical books, not just on Kindle (43:33)
• Spending quality time with family and friends (44:32)

Some ‘Outs’:

• Telling others how to live their lives—let them live their drama (45:32)
• Worrying about hair and appearance (46:01)
• Overusing words like “tea” and “like” (46:08)
• Impulse online shopping (47:04)
• Taking online criticism personally (47:04)
• Overpriced coffee and tipping where service wasn’t performed (47:13)
• Vegan/fake leather (“It’s plastic; leather is leather.” – Susan, 48:04)
• Less than 8 hours of sleep, people-pleasing, trying to do it all, uncomfortable shoes (48:11, 50:32)
• Spending too much time on social media—intentional, in-the-moment living (49:38)
• Rompers, especially because bathroom breaks are difficult (“You can’t pee in them. It’s too hard.“ – Kathy, 50:18)

---

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “There is a paradigm shift between what childhood was like for us and what childhood is like for kids now.” — Kathy (07:49)
• “Why do you think dating is so hard for everyone right now?” — Kathy (04:45)
• “They’re swiping left, they’re swiping right, and everybody thinks there’s something better.” — Susan (04:51)
• “Only the good moments, right?...Kids look and think they have a terrible life because they’re seeing these imaginary lives.” — Kathy (09:39)
• “I don’t like that kids obsess over that [anti-aging]. I really don’t.” — Kathy (12:21)
• “Classic...timeless. …A good navy blue blazer with gold buttons.” — Kathy (14:01)
• “For me, it’s about comfort… It has nothing to do with age.” — Kathy, on fashion choices (21:10)
• “It’s like, you know that cliff [menopause] is coming...and they don’t know what to do because nobody prepared them.” — Kathy (23:11)
• “You have to ask yourself: Am I better off with this person? Does he enrich my life or not?” — Kathy (30:53)
• “I’m tired of seeing women put up with the way their spouse…talk to them.” — Susan (36:07)
• “Women give up their dreams sometimes too easily.” — Kathy (36:43)
• “If they want to live drama, let them live the drama. I’m going to get out my box of popcorn and just watch…” — Kathy, on her new ‘out’ for the year (45:32)
• “Vegan leather. Okay? What are you gonna do, kill animals?...It’s plastic. Leather is leather.” — Susan (47:58–48:11)
• “Short rompers…are out for me because should I decide to wear a short romper...You can’t pee in them. It’s too hard.” — Kathy (50:18)

---

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:55 – Show starts, Susan & Kathy banter
• 04:45 – Why is dating so hard?
• 06:13 – Technology’s effects on relationships, parenting, and childhood
• 10:23 – Young girls’ skincare/anti-aging obsession debate
• 13:18 – Microtrends vs. timeless style, and fashion at any age
• 22:20 – Unspoken realities and myths of menopause
• 26:37 – Questions before marriage/cohabitation; the importance of life conversations
• 35:43 – What women shouldn't tolerate in relationships
• 38:14 – “Ins & Outs for 2026” begins (playful, personal resolutions)
• 45:30 – ‘Outs’ for 2026
• 51:31 – Friendship as the ultimate ‘in’

---

Episode Tone

• Candid and playful, with plenty of back-and-forth teasing and humor.
• Supportive—hosts share personal stories and advice meant to empower listeners.
• Relatable—topics are everyday concerns for women at midlife and beyond, delivered with warmth and wit.
• Encouraging—the hosts advocate for self-care, boundaries, and honoring one’s truth, while inviting listeners to join in the conversation.

---

For Listeners:

You don’t need to be a diehard Bachelor fan to appreciate the insights in this episode—a must-listen for anyone navigating the changing tides of aging, relationships, fashion, and digital life. Expect a frank, heartfelt, and often funny discussion that’ll leave you feeling seen.

---

Send your stories, ins & outs, and questions to bachernation.com/goldenhour to join the conversation!

---

Transcript

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

This is an iHeart podcast.

[Dr. Jake Goodman]

Guaranteed Human Ever been at a pharmacy counter and your mind goes blank when the pharmacist asks any questions? That's why you need to listen to beyond the Script from CVS Pharmacy and iHeartMedia. Hosted by Dr. Jake Goodman, each episode features real conversations with CVS pharmacists, the health experts you see most, breaking down the questions you wish you'd asked, from which meds may not mix well to what vaccines you need before a big trip. They'll bust myths, decode trends and share practical advice you can actually use. Listen to beyond the script on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts on February 13th I love him.

[Susan]

Whatever our souls are made of, his.

[Donald]

And mine are the same experience. The greatest love story of all time.

[Susan]

Why did you leave me?

[Kathy]

Why did you betray your own heart.

[Donald]

Of Phil Film by Emerald Fennell, Heathcliff, Kathy, Margot, Robbie, Jacob Elordi Kiss Me and let us both be damned. Wuthering Heights Original Songs by Charlie XCX only in theaters February 13th. Experience at an IMAX rated R under 17 not admitted without parent Everyone deserves to be connected. That's why T Mobile and US Cellular are joining forces. Switch to T Mobile and save up to 20% versus Verizon by getting built in benefits they leave out. Check the math@t mobile.com switch and now T mobile is in US cellular stores.

[Mike Delarocha]

Savings versus Comparable Verizon plans plus the cost of optional benefits plan features in Texas and fees vary. Savings with three plus lines include third line free via monthly bill credits. Credit stop if you cancel any lines.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Qualifying credit required at TJ Maxx. Feel more you than ever without compromise because we never make you choose the quality you want, the styles you crave.

[Susan]

And the prices you love.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

It's all at TJ Maxx so you can focus on just being you.

[Kathy]

With so many finds arriving daily, that means so many ways to show your unique style. Shop in store and [e-mail] and Max.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

What makes you you? This episode is brought to you by Kleenex Lotion Tissues Cold season has a way of showing up like an unexpected plot twist right in the middle of big moments, good stories and days that are already full. That's why it helps to keep a little comfort close. Kleenex lotion tissues help protect, soothe and moisturize your skin, giving you the support you need right when you need it. Whether you're commuting, binge, listening to your favorite show, or managing a little family chaos, KLEENEX lotion tissues are made with coconut oil and aloe vegan. For whatever happens next, grab Kleenex.

[Susan]

Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hours golden hour. Thanks so much for joining us. We're so excited to be back. And how are you today, Kathy?

[Kathy]

You know, I'm fabulous, except 1/12 of 2026 is almost here. Like the month has gone so quickly, don't you think?

[Susan]

The years are going so quickly. As we get older, the faster it goes.

[Kathy]

You and I have had this conversation. I know I used to say that. You know, I hate saying this, Brie, but ever since my husband died, time has crawled. So I guess it's a good thing that in 2026 the month is going by quickly. Maybe that means I'm, you know, getting back more to normal or whatever, but, you know, January has been a really funny month. It's been crazy weather. I've been home whole lot more this month than I have been in recent months. So I don't know, it's just been. It's been a good month, though. What about you?

[Susan]

It is. It's speeding, it's flying. I think it races to my birthday and then it slows. It's the big one coming, Kathy. It's the big one. The 69. That is huge.

[Kathy]

No, no, no, 60, 70. Why?

[Susan]

I'm not doing 70. I'm just saying my 69th is one. We're going to celebrate the big one.

[Kathy]

Okay. The big one is coming next year. We're start. It's not a big one. So when Susan has her 70th birthday next year, we're just going to say, oh, yeah, it's just another day.

[Susan]

Yeah, we're going to be in Europe somewhere, I hope.

[Kathy]

All right.

[Susan]

Filming something.

[Kathy]

I would love it. All right, well, while we're daydreaming about birthdays in Europe today, we're going to do things a little bit differently.

[Susan]

Okay.

[Kathy]

We're going to try a segment called Golden Wisdom where we talk out some big questions and then just share our thoughts. And I'm going to start us off. Okay.

[Susan]

Okey doke.

[Kathy]

All right. Why do you think dating is so hard for everyone right now?

[Susan]

I think I know the answer. Well, give it to me because they're swiping left, they're swiping right, and everybody thinks there's something better. It's. It's insane. I know I have been not been on them in quite some time, but I. Honest to God, I. I fell into that category myself at one time when I was doing so much. Well, let's see what else. Like, maybe it's crazy.

[Kathy]

I can't disagree. Yeah, I can't disagree with you. I think that there's so many options, technology, Internet dating, apps. It's just made it so easy to say. Yeah, you know, I think there should be a new, like a new app. I've been thinking about this the Grass is Always greener app. So you swipe and like, yeah, the grass isn't greener. I will look at this one. I do think though that that's what's going on. There's just so options. The days of fixing people up or meeting at a public place or a bar or. Yeah, it does. But people rely so much on technology. I also think right now people are so busy working, trying to make ends meet, you know, people just don't have or make the time as much I think right now to date. Maybe I'm just talking about myself. Actually.

[Susan]

I also agree about the technology, what the world was like when we grew up. But how about the difference between kids or teenagers now versus when we were kids or teenagers? I mean, it is night and day for me.

[Kathy]

Yeah, but you can't have this conversation, Susan. Nobody can have a conversation about kids and teens now versus, you know, when. When we were kids. Why and when we're.

[Susan]

Well, the first and foremost, we're gonna have this conversation. Cat, you just said we're not. I think we're gone.

[Kathy]

Well, you can't have it without just one word introducing it. And technology, that is the word. It has changed everything about how, you know, kids are on. Their best friends are online. You know, they play all these games online and they have friends online. Technology has changed the way we think, the way we date. We order our groceries online, we order our clothes online. We have our friends.

[Susan]

Like, exactly. Remember encyclopedias? Like, we were fortunate to have encyclopedias. Our family. And I remember friends that didn't how to come over to use ours to do homework. Now you press a button, right?

[Kathy]

So much. Literally, information is at our fingertips. And what I think is unfortunate, I live in a neighborhood that's like a big. Well, you've been here. It's a big circle, right? And there's lots of kids in this neighborhood. I rarely see kids outside playing.

[Susan]

I was going to say, I don't remember seeing children.

[Kathy]

And there's tons of them because they're on their computers. Yes, kids still do, you know, after school, sports or gymnastics and those kinds of things. But I just think once we introduce technology, there's no going back. There is a Paradigm shift between what childhood was like for us and what childhood is like for kids now. You know, as you said, in schools, they use computers now. Computers are everywhere. There isn't one aspect of our life that doesn't involve technology.

[Susan]

Do you remember?

[Kathy]

Wait, I got one. I got one.

[Susan]

What?

[Kathy]

Oh, never mind. I was going to say sex, but people. That people use it online for that too.

[Susan]

It wasn't too long ago we did a podcast and one of the people that wrote in the question that her daughter did not want her to share her life with her grandchildren. And this right here is proof. Like, it's so different. Why wouldn't you tell them what it was like for us? Yeah, you're so fortunate to have all these things at your fingertips. We didn't grow up that way.

[Kathy]

I know. I also think that kids, when parents are teaching their children whatever we're trying to teach them, kids just hop on the computer and they can find somebody who thinks about it differently. As if that's proof. That's verifiable proof. I think one of the biggest, biggest issues for kids today, which is very unfortunate, the Internet, Instagram, TikTok, all of them people. And I've said this to you before, people always put out the fabulous lives they want. Other people they see they have.

[Susan]

Yes. Only the good moments, right?

[Kathy]

Only the good moments. So young kids, the bullying. Think about it, you know, all those aspects of the Internet, but also the fact that kids look and they think they have a terrible life because they're seeing these imaginary, if you will, imaginary lives out there. And so I think that parents today, it's tough being a parent because you really have to manage the technology. Like I said, you can't have this conversation without talking about technology. So, okay, so here's. Let's move away from technology because that's we, you know, could be screwed, period. Yeah, pretty much. Parents, get your kids off of technology.

[Susan]

Get them out of the idea and.

[Kathy]

Give them a book. Go back to reading. That's my PSA for the day. Okay. What. Let's talk about advice. What do you have to say to parents whose kids are old already obsessing over skin care and anti aging at the age of 12? You know, it's never too soon to start. Are you kidding me?

[Susan]

I think they should school them and tell them what is necessary and keeping your skin protected from the sun and clean. And for some suffer with acne, some don't. But definitely school them young how to.

[Kathy]

Take care of anti aging.

[Susan]

Why not? The sun's going to Age. You look at me, I didn't use sunscreen until a few years ago.

[Kathy]

Well, no kids should know. Well, no, no, no. I think this, this is a little bit different. This is obsessing is a big word. Obsessing. If a kid saying, mom, you know, it's 17, I'm my skin look, it's getting old. I need plastic surgery. I mean, well, it's again, slippery slope. Kids go online. You and I have talked about this. How many skin products, anti aging products do they use a 20 year old to advertise for? Anti aging? And do you know, I talked with someone who's in that world and I was told the reason they use young people, not you and me, because they look good. Still, it's because. No, it. Well, yes, but because they can get people on the bandwagon really young, buying.

[Susan]

Their products, using it. I should be my daughter for Chris. My granddaughter Bella, who was 13 years old had a specific eye cream that she wanted for Christmas. I said, really?

[Kathy]

Where did she hear about it?

[Susan]

I didn't ask her that.

[Kathy]

Bet it's the Internet or a friend and the friend heard it from another friend. And I'm sure, I mean the marketing h, the marketing genius. It's unbelievable. But I don't like that kids obsess over that. I really don't. Teach your kids. I think you were on the right track when you said teach your children about good, you know, brushing teeth and washing their face and hygiene. But that's hygiene on that. Okay.

[Susan]

Yes. Protecting yourself from the sun. That's a big one. That's the biggest one that I was bringing.

[Kathy]

Anti aging, Susan. It's for skin cancer.

[Susan]

Well, it's also for aging. You can't say it's not.

[Kathy]

Well, I don't know about you, but I'm never going to talk to my 8 year old granddaughter about putting sunscreen on for anti aging. I'm going to say to her, 8, 10, 11, 15, 18. I'm going to say Lindley, put sunscreen on so that you do not get cancer harmful rays and get skin cancer. That's my answer.

[Susan]

All right, how about when it comes to fashion, how can you spot the difference between a micro trend and a timeless style or trend?

[Kathy]

Can I say you have Kathy has.

[Susan]

Come a long way. Can I say, can I say Miss Boston over here? Miss button down collared shirt has come out a long way. I'm proud of you.

[Kathy]

Thank you. But here's the thing. I don't know what a micro trend from a macro trend is, but I Can tell you there are things that I buy that I know are going to be timeless. And you know it too.

[Susan]

It's classic.

[Kathy]

Yes, it's classic piece. A good navy blue blazer with gold buttons, a cashmere sweater, cashmere coats, a. A trench coat, a khaki. I mean, there's certain pieces when you. But when you look. If you want to know what is.

[Susan]

Micro trendy, how can I interrupt that? She is got Boston blood. Because the trench coat, the navy blue blazer with the gold buttons, it's also.

[Kathy]

I will always have them in my closet. They're timeless.

[Susan]

I remember, Kathy, you saying, I said no more skinny jeans. No, they're coming back. You said they're coming back. Now we all wear big baggy jeans. I wear everything.

[Kathy]

Skinny jeans are coming back.

[Susan]

They're not. They're really not.

[Kathy]

Okay, well, just say no, I'm wearing my skinny jeans. The hell. But here's the thing.

[Susan]

A.

[Kathy]

Micro trend. Skinny jeans have been in a long time. I think women now wear what they want to wear. But a micro trend is something that literally is in goes. So give me some examples of micro trends because you are the fashionista.

[Susan]

Well, I think that. Well, no, that might not be micro because they've been out more than a year. That the really short crop tops and the low rise. Low rise are coming back in again. Micro trend could be a specific kind of a shoe. You know, something crazy shoe that's here and gone, then nobody wears it again. Yeah, but the people that run out and buy them. That's the best part.

[Kathy]

Well, for you it is. I see. I don't buy micro trends because I. For example, I think a micro trend is.

[Susan]

Is.

[Kathy]

I think. Are these really short rompers. Not rompers, because rompers have been around a long time. But the ones where it's leaving very little to the imagination. I don't think those are going to last, do you?

[Susan]

Only for young girls. Young girls can wear anything because they're young. When you get a woman our age that has a great fit body and she puts that on. Yeah, people are going to talk. It's just not age appropriate.

[Kathy]

Okay, now we're getting into this.

[Dr. Jake Goodman]

Ever been at a pharmacy counter and the pharmacist asks, do you have any questions? And suddenly your mind goes blank? That's exactly why you need to listen to beyond the script from CVS Pharmacy and iHeartMedia. Hosted by Dr. Jake Goodman, this podcast brings you real conversations with CVS pharmacists, the health experts you see most answering the questions you wish you'd asked, like which medications might not mix well, what vaccines you should consider before a big trip, and even those questions you are too embarrassed to say out loud. Each episode busts myths, decodes health trends, and gives you practical, trustworthy advice straight from the people behind the counter. No white coats, no lectures. Just real talk, real answers and maybe a few laughs. Listen to beyond the script on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts on February 13th I love him.

[Susan]

Whatever our souls are made of, his.

[Donald]

And mine are the same experience. The greatest love story of all time.

[Susan]

Why did you leave me? Why did you betray your own heart?

[Donald]

A film by Emerald Fennell Keith Cliff, Cathy, Margot Robbie, Jacob Elordi Kiss Me and let us both be damned. Wuthering Heights Original Songs by Charlie XCX only in theaters February 13th. Experience at an IMAX rated R under 17. Not admitted without parent everyone deserves to be connected. That's why T Mobile and US Cellular are joining forces. Switch to T Mobile and save up to 20% versus Verizon by getting built in benefits they leave out. Check the math@t mobile.com/switch and now T Mobile is in US cellular stores.

[Mike Delarocha]

Savings versus Comparable Verizon plans, plus the cost of optional benefits plan features in Texas, and fees vary. Savings with three plus lines include third line free via monthly bill credits. Credit stop if you cancel any lines. Qualifying credit required.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Tired of juggling dozens of supplements? Im8is different.co founded by David Beckham and developed with experts from Mayo Clinic and NASA. It's an all in one daily drink that replaces 16 supplements in one scoop world. No. 1 tennis player Aryna Sabalenka trusts it. In a clinical study, 95% reported a noticeable boost in daily energy and 85% experienced better digestion. Real energy isn't forced it's balanced. Visit im8th.com iheart and use code iheart for 10% off plus a free welcome kit. That's im8th.com iheart code iheartra every January.

[Mike Delarocha]

We'Re encouraged to start over. But what if this year is about slowing down and learning how to understand ourselves more deeply? What if this year is about giving ourselves permission to feel what we've been holding and knowing that it's okay to ask for help? I'm Mike de la Rocha, host of Sacred Lessons. This is a podcast for men navigating stress, emotional health, fatherhood, identity and the unspoken pressures we're taught to carry alone. We talk honestly about mental health, about healing generational wounds, and about learning how to show up with more presence and care. If you want a healthier relationship with yourself and the people you love, then Sacred Lessons is the podcast for you. Listen to Sacred Lessons with Mike Dollarocha on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow Sacred Lessons with Mike Delarocha and start listening on the free iHeartRadio app today.

[Kathy]

Do you think that. Okay, we're just gonna be honest with our listeners.

[Susan]

Okay.

[Kathy]

Susan and I were at an. At an event recently, and Susan had on a gorgeous white leather hot pants. Shorts and a matte pants that were.

[Susan]

Shorts.

[Kathy]

That's what we called hot pants. Excuse my. Excuse. Excuse my micro trend where my age is showing. They were. They were very short.

[Susan]

They weren't very short. Okay, well, to me, they weren't short. Well, but that's like a mini dress to you. If you hold your arms to the side. Now, everybody listening, please do a self check. I went to Catholic school and we had to hold our hands to the side of our unit form and it had to be hemmed no shorter than our fingertips. Right. Well, I used to get in trouble because my uniform was always short.

[Kathy]

I mean. Okay, that's where my fingertips were. Okay, I'm sorry. I think really short shorts where. You better be careful, Daisy Duke short shorts.

[Susan]

That's short. That's short, Daisy Duke.

[Kathy]

Yeah, they're little. Your butt cheeks hang out. Right.

[Susan]

My shirts were not like that.

[Kathy]

They were close anyway.

[Susan]

The hell they were. I'm gonna put a picture up, I swear to you. Go ahead, go ahead. It was a very classy looking short leather.

[Kathy]

But where I was going. Where I was going with this is. I think a lot of this conversation has to do with perspective because for me, you took a lot of heat. And for wearing them, some people said you look fabulous. Some people said you shouldn't wear them. Do you remember what I said? I wouldn't wear that. I've got very long legs and I have good legs. I wouldn't have worn that outfit. For me, when I was 18. I don't think it's about age. It's about comfort. And so for me, you would feel comfortable in it. Exactly. It has nothing to do with age. I wouldn't have worn it at 18. So, you know, that's me. That's what I'm saying.

[Susan]

You were more conservative than I am.

[Kathy]

And so, you know, I don't know, spotting the difference. I think a micro trend is when I might. I have an owl neck when I see him walking down the street and I turn around and Say, did you see that? That's what a micro trend.

[Susan]

Remember cow necks? Cow necks came in.

[Kathy]

I still have them.

[Susan]

Please don't.

[Kathy]

All right. What is something regarding menopause that you don't think is spoken about enough? And this one, we could do an episode of this, but we're going to.

[Susan]

Need a whole short episode on menopause. I'm telling. That is something not spoken about enough. Yeah, we talk today about menopause, about.

[Kathy]

Every aspect of it, I think.

[Susan]

What do you think we don't talk about?

[Kathy]

Well, you and I talk all about it, but I. I think the question is in general that people in general.

[Susan]

Like not preparing women for menopause. That.

[Kathy]

That's. Yeah. Well, I'll just. I'll start with one. I think that first of all, for me, menopause was easy. You and I've had this conversation. I don't know. I don't know what a hat flush is, so.

[Susan]

But people don't want to hear that, Kathy. Well, because a lot of them out there are sweating.

[Kathy]

Well, you know, but I think that what people don't talk enough about is the specifics of what it means to go through menopause. You know, everything dries up, you turn into a prune. But also what you can do to make it better or what you shouldn't do. I think people talk about it's like, you know, running up to the edge of a cliff and you don't know that there's a big fall. It's like, you know, that cliff is coming. You know, women know menopause is coming, and then, oh, my God, I hit menopause. And they don't know what to do or what to think about it because nobody prepared them for the.

[Susan]

And a lot of people just think, okay, I'm going to have hot flashes or I'm going to do this and this. And it happens to your brain as well. It's your entire body, your brain. You think differently. You go through. I don't want to call it a depression, but there's some people that I've helped going through this to get them back on track. There are things you can do. There's. There's hormone replacement. There's bioidentical hormone replacement, but the. The way you think is not the way you used to think.

[Kathy]

So what is that I think, exactly. Maybe I haven't gone through menopause yet.

[Susan]

Do you don't remember, like, the lack of desire to be with your husband sexually? A lot of women go through that. I mean, one of My best friends, his wife. He goes, susan, God. I said, I'll talk to her. I don't know what to tell you, darl. Well, sin.

[Kathy]

That's. But that proves my point that women may be. For some women they have decreased sexual desire. Some women have, you know, crazy outbursts. Some people get depressed. I don't think those things are talking about that you may experience some of these things. All right, Susan, you and I are going to write a little book. We're going to write a book.

[Susan]

How about Kathy do. Is there anything that you think needs to be debunked when it comes to men Menopause?

[Kathy]

Yeah, well, of several things, but I debunked suggests that it's not true. I didn't have decreased sexual desire.

[Susan]

So we'll say that's me.

[Kathy]

So I'm saying when they. Or. Or the fact that everyone has hot flashes. There is no. Everybody has every one of these things. Yes, I.

[Susan]

My mother had no symptoms. None. I thought I was.

[Kathy]

I don't take hormones. Yeah, well, I don't take hormones. You do. I don't know enough about them. I think that's one thing people for a long time it was do not take hormones. You know, they cause cancer. I don't take them. So I don't know until.

[Susan]

What's her name with the breast cancer that came out and wrote a book and oh, my brain. That's part of menopause.

[Kathy]

Menopause.

[Susan]

No, she wrote what's her name?

[Kathy]

I don't know. I didn't read it.

[Susan]

Yes.

[Kathy]

I was too busy messing around on the Internet seeing what the micro trends are. I have no idea. Anyway, I just think that menopause looks different for everybody. And the more research you do, the more you learn about it, the more questions you ask, the better off you're going to be.

[Susan]

Yes, it's true. It's true. And a lot of people are ignorant. They don't want to. They don't want to know because they're not going to go through menopause.

[Kathy]

Right.

[Susan]

They're just going to skate through that. Some people's mentality think that's not going to happen to me.

[Kathy]

And then it's a train wreck sometimes.

[Susan]

And it is a train.

[Kathy]

Okay, this next question. What questions should you be asking yourself if you're unsure marriage is right for you? I have to tell you, I have a young friend. A lot of my friends are younger than I. This particular young lady was here last night. We were having a glass of wine, chit chatting and she met her Boyfriend. When she was 18, she said, Kathy, I listen to your podcast. I love you. You get such great advice. And then she came out with it. Do you think that she's now 23, soon to be 24? Do you think that I'm too young, like I should be dating other men? Because he's the only one I've ever dated. And I was like, I'm two glasses of wine in and, you know, I.

[Susan]

Told her, what was your advice to her?

[Kathy]

Well, I said, there's no right or wrong answer. I met my husband at 18. In general, I can tell you what I said. In general, I would not advise anyone to date the same guy from 18 and marry him. But in her case, in my case for sure. And I actually think in her case, we were lucky. We met this great guy. Her guy is amazing. And you know, sometimes God gives you what you need when you're really young. So there's really.

[Susan]

No, there wasn't a good answer for that. Yes.

[Kathy]

But I did tell her, I did say to her, you guys, before they're talking now about moving in. I said, you do all couples when you're talking about marriage, you know, it's not just buying the cute little white picket fence house and having the baby in the baby carriage and of course getting a doodle something dog. It's also having the conversation about money and children and who's going to work and how are you going to divide household responsibility, all those things. And I said that to her and I said, have you had any of those conversations? She said, no. And I said, well, I, I'd start having those before I decide to move in.

[Susan]

She did you read into that? Maybe she was curious about dating somebody else or.

[Kathy]

No. She said in love. She said no. That her friends are saying to her, you know, you, you need to date other men. You're too young. You haven't dated other men. And I said, do you feel like you want to? And she goes, not really. It's just like all my friends say I should. So it makes me wonder, am I doing the wrong thing? You know, that's a, that is a dead end question. You, for some people, they wake up at 30 and say, what the hell did I do? And other people stay married and are so glad they found their person young. There's no easy.

[Susan]

Is there anything you think needs. You have to. What questions would you ask yourself if you're unsure marriage is right for you? What advice would you give to that question? Like somebody ask yourself what questions?

[Kathy]

I mean, that's Hard for me because I was married. But I think I'd have to ask myself, is living with someone else going to make my life better? Am I going to have an enriched life by opening my life up to this other person and bringing them in to my life?

[Susan]

Something that comes to my mind because I've learned over the years, when the, as they say, honeymoon is over, is he everything you want? It's always so good in the beginning, the first six months to a year, that's the honeymoon. And then you get used to each other's habits and all. Can you live with A, B and C that he does, or can he live with you that you do? The habits, you got to look really deep. And it's hard when you're in that honeymoon phase.

[Kathy]

Right. Well, you said, Izzy, everything you want, if you find a man, that's everything you want, stop the presses and let me know. Because there are no perfect people. There's no perfect marriage.

[Susan]

And do you know what you want? That's another.

[Kathy]

I know what I want and I know what I'm willing to compromise.

[Susan]

That's the key, what you just said, the compromise part, because there is no perfect anybody.

[Kathy]

Yeah, there is not. So I think that those are the questions. Am I better off with this person? Does he enrich my life or not? And, and honestly, could I see myself forging a lifelong experience with this person?

[Susan]

And how do you feel about. If they're not sure about just keeping them as their partner, whether they're living together and they don't have to do the actual marriage? Do you pro or you against?

[Kathy]

I don't. I don't think you have to be married to have a lifelong partner. Is that what you're asking?

[Susan]

Yes. Yes.

[Kathy]

No, of course.

[Susan]

For young people or our age people? Are you thinking about our age.

[Kathy]

Either, or. I will say I'm a bit old fashioned. And if, if you're going to have children, I think you should be married. I know I'll take flack for saying that, but I believe in the institution of marriage and I particularly believe in it. If you decide that you're going to bring children into the world, but otherwise I, I have no problem at our age, I have no problem with the partnership. Yeah, I don't necessarily have a problem with marriage either, but I, at my age, but I certainly don't have a problem with a partnership.

[Dr. Jake Goodman]

Ever been at a pharmacy counter and the pharmacist asks, do you have any questions? And suddenly your mind goes blank? That's exactly why you need to listen to beyond the Script from CVS Pharmacy and iHeartMedia. Hosted by Dr. Jake Goodman, this podcast brings you real conversations with CVS pharmacists, the health experts you see most answering the questions you wish you'd asked, like which medications might not mix well, what vaccines you should consider before a big trip, and even those questions you are too embarrassed to say out loud. Each episode busts myths, decodes health trends, and gives you practical, trustworthy advice straight from the people behind the counter. No white coats, no lectures. Just real talk, real answers and maybe a few laughs. Listen to beyond the script on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts on February 13th I love him.

[Susan]

Whatever our souls are made of, his.

[Donald]

And mine are the same experience. The greatest love story of all time.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Why did you leave me?

[Susan]

Why did you betray your own heart?

[Donald]

A film by Emerald Fennell, Keith, Cliff, Cathy, Margot, Robbie, Jacob Elordi and let us both be Damned. Wuthering Heights Original Songs by Charlie XCX only in theaters February 13th. Experience at an IMAX rated R under 17 not admitted without parent Everyone deserves to be connected. That's why T Mobile and US Cellular are joining forces. Switch to T Mobile and save up to 20% versus Verizon by getting built in benefits they leave out. Check the math@t mobile.com and now T Mobile is in US cellular stores.

[Mike Delarocha]

Savings versus Comparable Verizon plans plus the cost of optional benefits plan features in Texas and fees vary. Savings with three plus lines include third line free via monthly bill credits. Credit stop if you cancel any lines. Qualifying credit required.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Tired of juggling dozens of supplements? Im8 is different. Co founded by David Beckham and developed with experts from Mayo Clinic and NASA. It's an all in one daily drink that replaces 16 supplements in one scoop world. No. 1 tennis player Aryna Sabalenka trusts it. In a clinical study, 95% reported a noticeable boost in daily energy and 85% experienced better digestion. Real energy isn't forced, it's balanced. Visit im8th.com iheart and use code iheart for 10% off plus a free welcome kit. That's im8th.com iheartra code iheart A new.

[Mike Delarocha]

Year doesn't mean erasing who you were. It means honoring what you've survived and choosing how you want to grow. It means giving ourselves permission to feel what we've been holding and knowing that it's okay to ask for help. I'm Mike Dollarocha, host of Sacred Lessons. This podcast is a space for men to talk openly about mental health, grief, relationships, and the pattern patterns we inherit but don't have to repeat here. We slow down, we listen. We learn how vulnerability becomes strength and how healing happens in community, not in isolation. If you're ready to let go of what no longer serves you and step into the year with clarity, compassion and purpose, Sacred Lessons is your companion on your healing journey. Listen to Sacred Lessons with Mike Delarocha on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow Sacred Lessons with Mike Delarocha and start listening on the free iHeartRadio app today.

[Susan]

Is there anything you're tired of seeing women put up with in romantic relationships with men?

[Kathy]

Ooh, baby, let her rip.

[Susan]

How long do we have?

[Kathy]

Look at their faces. I can't.

[Susan]

Just name three. Okay?

[Kathy]

I can't. I just can't. I can. I. But I can't. You give me.

[Susan]

I'm tired of seeing women put up with the way their spouse or significant other talk to them. If they talk to them rude or they talk to their mothers, that we've said before, that's called respect. I don't like seeing that when he bosses her or tells her what to do. I've seen it in airports, I've seen it on the beach. Like they were having a little tiff or whatever. The way he talked. Why would you put up with that? Punch him in the face.

[Kathy]

I mean, no, no, no violence.

[Susan]

No, no, no.

[Kathy]

But I think that this is more of a heady answer to this. But I, I hate when I see people, couples at any age, and I hear, and it's usually the woman saying, I gave up my dreams of being blank. Fill it in the blank because my husband wanted this or because we had children and my husband thought I should stay home. Whatever it is. I think that women give up their dreams sometimes too easily. And I think the younger generations, you know, my daughter, my daughter in law, they both work and have very successful careers. But I will say to you, when kids are sick, a lot of my friends, I told you, I have a lot of friends with kids. My friends in their 40s, and they are the ones that are staying home with the sick kid, not the husband. So I just hate to see women diminished at any time by anyone. That would be my short answer to that question.

[Susan]

I mean, there's a lot of things we could go on and on, but.

[Kathy]

I mean, I mean, I don't know. Yeah, that is a real. That. You know what? Bookmark that we should do a whole episode on that. And you all listening, Write in The things.

[Susan]

Yeah. What do you are tired of seeing?

[Kathy]

Because I'll bet we would get some great answers to that one.

[Susan]

Absolutely.

[Kathy]

All right, we are going to do a new segment. Tell us about it, Susan.

[Susan]

It's called the ins and the outs for 2026. All right, now before we go, we're going to give you guys our ins and outs for 26. Ins are what we want to see more of and outs are what we don't want to see this year. We'll take turns reading our ins and then our outs. I'll start us off.

[Kathy]

All right.

[Susan]

All right, where's my list? Okie dokie.

[Kathy]

I hope it's not too long. This is not a three hour podcast.

[Susan]

We can't go over 10. Okay.

[Kathy]

Give me your first one.

[Susan]

As far as the Golden Bachelor or the Bachelor, I would like to see more one on one dates on a show. That's one of my things.

[Kathy]

Okay. That's for the show.

[Susan]

Yes. A self care just for me. Power walking. Just taking care of me.

[Kathy]

I would love. Okay, I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna hang you out to dry hair. So you would like to take care of yourself. We're do one in one. We're just gonna go back and forth here.

[Susan]

Okay.

[Kathy]

You're so you. You would like to take better care of yourself. Do more walking. Okay, here's my second PSA for the day. I love you to pieces, but you do what I'm always saying on my videos that I do about working out. You are a weekend warrior. You go out and you do it and you are sore and you're tired and you're like, yeah, I couldn't do it. I was too sore. So Please, yes, in 2026, I want you to be all in with exercise, but you gotta start slowly. All right, all right. You want to hear one of my ends?

[Susan]

Go ahead.

[Kathy]

So everyone knows I love to read. I was a writer by training, had several jobs, newspaper writing. A lot of writing in my life. Here's. Here's the oddity. People always give me journals to write in. I have a stack of empty books of blank journals. And so one of my. And you're the writer, right? I am going to try to write, to fill up pages in those journals.

[Susan]

Even just once a day. Just, just.

[Kathy]

What do you mean just once a day? I'm thinking once a week.

[Susan]

You know, my problem is when I start writing, I don't stop. I don't stop.

[Kathy]

It's like, I know, Susan. No, I. Well, you know what I do when I write? That's your. You hit on something. When I write in a journal or write something because I'm such a grammar queen, I. I'm like, oh, no, I could say that better. And I scratch it out. So it's like just, Kathy, just write it down and get out. You know, turn the page. All right, what's your next one?

[Susan]

Another one is to listen, but speak my truth.

[Kathy]

I like that to everyone. Okay. When you say speak your truth, what does that mean to you?

[Susan]

Speak my truth. If I'm asked a question or an opinion, I'm going to give them the right answer, the real answer. It's my.

[Kathy]

Not the right answer necessarily, but how you really feel. The answer for me, your true answer. How you feel about it.

[Susan]

If I'm asking, I'm going to tell the truth. Yeah. How about you next?

[Kathy]

All right, I. And actually we had talked about this. We have one of the same ones.

[Susan]

Yes.

[Kathy]

I and Susan, we both. No, no, no. We would like to do more in person in more in person interviews for the podcast because I think that.

[Susan]

Great to have them in the room with us. That's like you.

[Kathy]

Body language. I know our producers aren't listening, but we'll tell them later. But I think there's a difference. When you interview someone and you can look them in the eye in person.

[Susan]

I know we see them on the screen, but. Yeah, but it's vibe, the feel, the energy.

[Kathy]

Exactly. So that's it. That's an in for me. All right. What about you?

[Susan]

Okay. I also have my Irish goodbyes. I like them. It takes 25 extra minutes when you're ready to leave if you have to say goodbye to everybody. I mean, normally just the post or something, you sneak out. I'm into Irish goodbyes.

[Kathy]

Yeah. I think I never used to be, but I'm learning. I did one the other night actually.

[Susan]

Just slip out, you know?

[Kathy]

Yeah, I was at a party and I just kind of slipped out. It was great. I liked it. Okay, okay, I've got a simple one here.

[Susan]

Okay.

[Kathy]

I'm demonstrating it right now. Drink more water.

[Susan]

Always, always, always the in for me. This year I'm going to try a lot of new restaurants and write reviews on them. You know how much I'm a foodie. I'm thinking why I have not been doing this for so long.

[Kathy]

Where are you going to write the reviews?

[Susan]

A Google.

[Kathy]

Oh. Oh, you mean leave.

[Susan]

Leave a Google a review on.

[Kathy]

Yes. I thought you meant like write. Be a restaurant critic. You just mean write A review and leave it on Google for people to.

[Susan]

See, for other people to try. Yeah.

[Kathy]

Oh, God. Beware if Susan doesn't.

[Susan]

Here I come. People in every state.

[Kathy]

Okay, here's another strange one I have. I have people because they know I love to read, give me books. And because I travel a lot, I have a Kindle. And so I read a lot of books on my Kindle. So I have a stack of books upstairs. So one of my inns this year is. And I love turning pages, but I don't like lugging books through airports. But one of my inns is going to read less on the Kindle and have the feel and the weight of a book in my hands and that great feel of the smell of a book and turning the page.

[Susan]

Good for you. I prefer the Kindle, but okay.

[Kathy]

And additionally, I'm going to add in because I was an English major and I loved British literature and American literature. I'm a nerd, a geek. I know it. I want to go back and reread, I don't know, read three or four classics this year. You know, like Gone with the Wind, Lolita. Just some of the classics that I haven't read since I was in school. So changing my readings.

[Susan]

And my last one for the ends would be time with friends and family.

[Kathy]

Oh, I have that one too.

[Susan]

Yes, yes. Now let's do our outs.

[Kathy]

Oh, wait, I've got one more. I want to get a couple more. I want to get out of my kayak more because, you know, I work out like a fiend, but I want to get out. I own a kayak. I live on the lake. I want to get out of my. The problem is it's a two man kayak and I can't manage it on my own. So, you know, I want to. I want to. I want to do that. And I also, also want. I have. Do you have a junk drawer, Susan?

[Susan]

Yes.

[Kathy]

Is that singular or plural?

[Susan]

1. And I organize it every six months.

[Kathy]

Of course you do. I am trying to reduce my junk drawers to one. That is my end. I am want to have one junk drawer.

[Susan]

All right. For the outs, we're going to name a few at a time. Okay. All right, you want to start?

[Kathy]

Oh, I got a few.

[Susan]

Okay, we'll do three, six, nine. Okay.

[Kathy]

Okay. My most serious. Well, my most serious one is I am going to. Out for me is trying to tell others how to live their lives and how they can make their lives better. If they want to live drama, let them live the drama. I'm going to get out my box of popcorn and just watch it, Watch the whole thing evolve. And, And.

[Susan]

Okay, how about another one?

[Kathy]

Well, and a funny one is I want to stop worrying about my hair.

[Susan]

Oh, God, I'm out.

[Kathy]

I'm tired of worrying about my hair. What about you?

[Susan]

Okay, I am over the word T. Like, give me the tea, tick the T. I'm sick of hearing tea. That's all Susan, read.

[Kathy]

Wait a minute, wait a minute. This is not my list. But let's talk about it. Do you know one I'm going to imitate. Do you know one of the words that. First of all, I have two things. Using me. When you mean I, I want to just jump through. You know, jump.

[Susan]

I always say I, and you go, me?

[Kathy]

Yeah, and you say me when you mean I. But that's a whole nother. We'll give a grammar lesson another on another, you know, episode. The other word that tries. It wasn't on my list, but now it is because you bring up yours. Like, Like, I really feel like.

[Susan]

Like, it's like younger generation.

[Kathy]

Stop using the word.

[Susan]

Okay, There are words I. Also, an out for me is the spur of the moment online purchases, which is.

[Kathy]

Oh, God, Susan, are you trying to put Amazon out of business?

[Susan]

And stop taking online criticism personally. Uncomfortable shoes, overpriced coffee without getting a service. Have you been to the store? And I want a gratuity. What do you mean you didn't help me? I brought it to you to ring up.

[Kathy]

That's your job. And then give me an example. Give me an example.

[Susan]

I just did.

[Kathy]

What? Listen, you said going and bringing something. Like, give me.

[Susan]

You're going to a store, you're purchasing something, you go get it yourself, you bring it to the counter, and they want to know if you want a tip. Tip. Their job is to ring it up. Oh, please. Yes, it happens.

[Kathy]

I, I, I thought you meant not tipping for bad service.

[Susan]

No, no, no, no. I'm just gonna go through the rest of mine, then you could do yours.

[Kathy]

Okay.

[Susan]

Vegan leather. Okay.

[Kathy]

What's wrong? What are you gonna do? Kill animals?

[Susan]

Astronomical. There is no vegan leather. It's not leather.

[Kathy]

It's plastic. Leather is leather.

[Susan]

I am also out with less than eight hours of sleep and people pleasing all the time. And my last but not least, stop trying to do it all and the power of saying no.

[Kathy]

Wow. I can't wait.

[Susan]

How about let me hear yours.

[Kathy]

Wait a minute. I got some questions on yours.

[Susan]

Oh, God, you can't question mine. They're mine.

[Kathy]

No, no, I Don't understand, understand. When you say out with vegan leather, does that mean you're going to wear real leather?

[Susan]

I. Yes.

[Kathy]

Okay. I prefer.

[Susan]

I don't believe that I have to pay what I would pay for real leather when it's not really leather. They're calling it vegan leather. There's no such thing.

[Kathy]

Okay? It, well, it's plastic.

[Susan]

Leather is leather.

[Kathy]

Okay.

[Susan]

Do you like paying 400 for a pair of vegan pants?

[Kathy]

I don't, I don't really buy 400 vegan pants. And one more question. Does this mean you're not going to wear fake fur? You're going to buy the real coat?

[Susan]

I don't wear fake fur. Okay.

[Kathy]

Don't tell anyone that you're going to get paint on your coat next time you're in New York City. Okay? I, I, I'm, I'm out with leaving my clothes unhung in my closet. I'll come in there. Sometimes I just throw them on the chair and that, that's got to end. I got to clean up that closet. Right after I finish my junk drawers. I'm going to head into my closet.

[Susan]

After she makes her coffee.

[Kathy]

That's right after I some freshly ground coffee that took me two hours to make.

[Susan]

Hey, move along.

[Kathy]

Okay, then I. So spending so much time on social media, I want to enjoy the minute I'm living through my eye. The lens of my eye, not the lens of my iPhone. And that's a big one for me.

[Susan]

That's good.

[Kathy]

And then my last one is speaking of micro. Whatever they are. Micro fashion. I am sick to death. We talked about it. Short rompers. And it's not because I can't wear them. They are out for me because should I decide to wear a short romper or a long romper. You can't pee in them. It's too hard.

[Susan]

I do not just pull them aside.

[Kathy]

No. Absolutely no. And I'm not having my clothes on the floor. Floor in a public bathroom. So short rompers of all sorts. Rompers of all sorts are out for me.

[Susan]

Wait, you didn't like the one with uncomfortable shoes? I'm so over uncomfortable.

[Kathy]

I don't wear uncomfortable.

[Susan]

Susan.

[Kathy]

I've never. I'm from Boston. We wear sensible oxfords.

[Susan]

No, you don't.

[Kathy]

We do not wear. I mean, I don't, I don't have. What's it called on the side of your foot? You have one. What are they called?

[Susan]

A bunion.

[Kathy]

A bunion. Yes. Get, get rid of the. You wear. Because.

[Susan]

Wear heels and pumps. I did hair and was a flight attendant for years and had to wear heels. Nowadays, the flight attendants, they wear ugly shoes.

[Kathy]

Can I just tell you the. The. Can I just tell you the career that's going by the wayside because everyone wears sneakers now. Sneakers used to be. What's wrong with him? He's got sneakers on.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

Now it's a cool style. I wear it with a podiatrist. Podiatrists are screwed.

[Susan]

I know, right?

[Kathy]

No one's got any feet problems anymore.

[Susan]

Oh, that was fun. Yeah, that was fun.

[Kathy]

That really was fun. Okay, you know, we have a lot of ins and outs, but friendship is definitely an in with you, my dear.

[Susan]

Always. Always.

[Kathy]

Okay, thanks so much to our listeners. We hope you enjoyed this as much as we did. Please make sure you're sending us your questions. It's very easy to do. Just go to bachelor nation.com golden hour. We love dishing out advice. We want to hear your ins and outs. We want to hear how menopause was for you. All of it. Send it all to us.

[Susan]

Absolutely. And be sure to subscribe because we have new episodes dropping every week that you don't want to miss.

[Kathy]

Listen to Bachelor Happy Hours golden hour on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you listen to your podcasts.

[Susan]

And we'll see you next time.

[Kathy]

Take care.

[Donald]

Hey Donald, you're really flying on that treadmill.

[Mike Delarocha]

I'm trying to run as fast AS T mobile 5G home Internet, Zach.

[Kathy]

Well, you better pick it up because.

[Donald]

Now T Mobile has the fastest 5G.

[Kathy]

Home Internet according to Ookla Speedtest.

[Donald]

Really? How's this? No, T Mobile's faster than that and it's still just 35 bucks a month.

[Kathy]

Come on, faster. Whoa, that's too fast.

[Susan]

You'll be alright.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Just walk it off.

[Donald]

Get on the fast track. T Mobile now has the fastest 5G home Internet and it still starts at just 35 bucks a month. With autopay and a voice line plus a five year price guarantee, the new era of UFC on Paramount comes out swinging. Highlight machine Justin Gaethje collides with Patty the Baddie Pimblet in a must see high octane main event. Plus Sean Sugar o' Malley faces off against Song Ya Dong in a stand up war filled with high level striking. Pay per view just got knocked out. Stream UFC 324 live on January 24th only on Paramount. Visit paramountplus.com UFC to get started.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Tired of juggling dozens of supplements? Im8 is different. Co founded by David Beckham and developed with experts from Mayo Clinic and NASA. It's an all in one daily drink that replaces 16 supplements in one scoop. World number one tennis player Aryna Sebalenka trusts it. In a clinical study, 95% reported a noticeable boost in daily energy and 85% experienced better digestion. Real energy isn't forced, it's balanced. Visit iamatehealth.com iheart and use code iheart for 10% off plus a free welcome kit. That's iamatehealth.com iheartra code iheart if you.

[Susan]

Only listen to one thing to make sense of the news this year, make it this the final episode of this season of Next Question pulls together the most important conversations of the year. You'll hear David Graham on Project 2025, Liz Oyer on the plethora of presidential pardons, Tina Brown on the year's biggest scandals here at home and across the pond. Plus much, much more. It's a crash course in the last 12 months, how we made it through the year, and a look at what might be coming in 2026. Listen to next Question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kathy]

Talking to your kids about the dangers of vaping can be hard. Getting them to listen to hot gossip is easy, so here's some drama you could share with your kid. Dude, did you hear about Cassie and Jake? No, but did you hear that vaping can cause irreversible lung damage and nicotine affects brain development?

[Susan]

Nuh.

[Kathy]

You don't need to gossip if you want to have an open conversation about vaping. So if you want to get tips on when and how to talk to your kids, visit talkaboutvaping.org, brought to you by the American Lung association and the Ad Council.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

This is an I Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.