Mental Health Matters | Golden Hour

Summary

Bachelor Happy Hour: “Mental Health Matters | Golden Hour”

Date: June 27, 2025
Hosts: Joe Amabile & Serena Pitt (Guest hosts: Kathy & Susan)
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts and Warner Bros. — Official Bachelor Nation Podcast

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Overview

This episode of “Bachelor Happy Hour” Golden Hour takes a heartfelt and unfiltered look at mental health, with hosts Kathy and Susan drawing on personal experience, listener questions, and candid conversation. They explore evolving social attitudes toward mental health, the persistent stigma, and the realities of depression and suicide, particularly among families. The hosts aim to support their audience by sharing resources and advice, while also reflecting on their own friendships and lives for a lighter close to the episode.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introduction: Setting the Tone

• Trigger warning for sensitive topics such as depression, anxiety, and suicide.

• [04:01] Kathy's Personal Story: Opens up about her husband’s death by suicide, the pain it caused, and the complexities around recognizing depression.

  “People often ask me if he was depressed. And all I can say is, of course he was depressed. … For someone to take their life, you know, if you’re happy and life is going well... you’re not looking for a way to exit this earth.”
  — Kathy [04:01]

• Emphasizes importance of recognizing depression and seeking help for yourself and loved ones.

• Kathy wishes she had noticed the severity and reached out:

  “If I had known the severity of it, I would have done that.” — Kathy [04:01]

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2. The Evolution of Mental Health in Society

• [07:21] Society’s Awareness: Mental health is much more visible — but also more complex — today than in the hosts’ youth.

  • Social media’s negative impact: People compare themselves to idealized lives.
  • Increased prevalence or visibility of conditions like anxiety, OCD, bipolar disorder, and the open discussion of issues like addiction.
  • Homelessness and substance abuse: Seen as part of a broader mental health crisis.

• [08:14] Kathy:

  “So much of social media is the life you wish you were living, not really the life you are living. … Nobody’s life is perfect all the time. I think that’s part of the problem.” — Kathy [08:14]

• [09:18] Susan acknowledges increased awareness after school shootings and other public tragedies.

• Generational shift: Issues like bipolar disorder, ADHD, and even open talk about prescription medications were largely unknown or hidden in previous decades.

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3. Why Does Stigma Persist, and What Can We Do?

• [10:20] Kathy voices skepticism about the effectiveness of suicide hotlines for those fully intent on self-harm, though she agrees resources are still crucial for many who are reaching out.

• [10:23] Susan:

  “I think when they call those hotlines, it’s a cry for help sometimes, yes.”

• Both acknowledge the need for more funding, resources, and accessible care.

  “I don’t think our society spends enough ... on mental health." — Kathy [10:23]

• Discuss challenges for youth today: more pressure, higher competition, isolation through screens and technology.

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4. Listener Q&A: Navigating Mental Health at Home

a. Teen Anxiety, OCD & Parental Denial [18:11]

• Question: A 19-year-old struggles with severe anxiety and OCD. Her mother doesn’t “believe” in her diagnoses; her father is supportive but passive.
• [19:19] Kathy’s take:

  “I think the mom ... thinks her kids have these problems because of some way she failed ... she feels guilty. ... Sometimes they just can’t face it.”

  • Suggests finding alternate supporters (friends, teachers, counselors, church), not just parents.
• [21:35] Susan:

  “Find the people that will support you. ... Denial is not not understanding, it’s denying.”

b. Teenage Son & Emotional Regulation [22:13]

• Question: A mom asks if her 14-year-old son’s outbursts and stress are just “teen stuff” or signs he needs help.
• [23:26] Kathy’s advice:

  “You are the parent. You make the appointment with a therapist.... don’t ask him if he wants to go ... take him. You’re the parent. Be the parent, take charge." — Kathy [24:44]

• Both agree: Never wait—get a professional involved early.

c. Discovering a Spouse’s Secret Family [25:06]

• Question: A wife learns her husband has another family and seeks guidance before confronting him.
• [26:14] Kathy recommends therapy-led confrontation for safety and support:

  “I would go to a therapist ... and ask the therapist how’s the best way to handle it. ... I wouldn’t trust myself to sit down in a calm way.”

• [27:11] Susan:

  “And I’d fly the girl in and say, let’s the three of us talk.”

  • Light banter follows about differences in confrontation styles.
• [29:27] Kathy shares an anecdote about a Houston Rockets player with two families, underlining that such double lives are more common than people realize.

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5. Closing: Lighthearted Friendship Q&A [35:43]

To end on a lighter note, Susan and Kathy ask each other personal questions — sharing memories, hopes, and quirks:

• Becoming a parent: Both recall the awe and joy of holding their first child. [36:18]
• Advice to their younger selves:
  • Susan: "Trust your instincts." [37:26]
  • Kathy: "You got a lot of life left to live. Embrace every minute."
• Hobbies after 50: Susan picked up golf, Kathy jokes about dating and attempted boxing. [37:45]
• Stereotypes about women over 60: Both debunk the idea that "we’re done," especially regarding intimacy.
  • Kathy: "That women over 60 don’t like sex. That is a misconception." [38:28]
  • Susan: "It’s better at 60 than it was at 40." [38:35]
• Personal challenges and resilience: Kathy is proud of breaking a cycle of abuse.
• Friendship strengths: Both highlight how much they value people, empathy, and each other’s strengths and quirks.

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6. Final Thoughts: Why Mental Health Conversations Matter

• [49:50] Kathy:

  “Mental health is unfortunately still somewhat of a taboo subject. It’s better than it used to be. But anybody out there struggling, talk about it ... or with a partner or your children. Get help.”

• [49:53] Susan echoes:

  “Talk about it. ... Get help from someone.”

• Both affirm their goal is to bring connection, joy, and some practical support to listeners — no matter how tough the topic.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "If you’re happy and life is going well, you’re not looking for a way to exit this earth. So think about that the next time ... you have to deal with suicide. It always, always involves depression."
  — Kathy [04:01]
• “Lean on your dad more than your mom, you’re not going to convince her yourself and it’s only going to upset her. Let your dad handle it.”
  — Susan [20:45]
• "Don’t ask him if he wants to go, you know, take him. You’re the parent. Be the parent, take charge."
  — Kathy [24:44]
• “We’re never done.”
  — Susan [38:25], addressing misconceptions about women over 60
• “That women over 60 don’t like sex. That is a misconception.”
  — Kathy [38:28]
• “I came from a pretty abusive family ... my proudest accomplishment is that I didn’t fall into the abusive trap and abuse my children the way she abused me.”
  — Kathy [39:08]
• "Mental health is unfortunately still somewhat of a taboo subject. It’s better than it used to be. But anybody out there struggling, talk about it ... get help." — Kathy [49:50]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Trigger Warning & Personal Story: 04:01 – 06:32
• Mental Health Discussion Begins: 07:21
• Impact of Social Media/Change Over Generations: 08:14 – 11:12
• Listener Q&A (Anxiety & Parents): 18:11 – 21:58
• Listener Q&A (Teen Son & Therapy): 22:13 – 24:52
• Listener Q&A (Secret Family): 25:06 – 30:02
• Lighthearted Friendship Q&A: 35:43 – 49:50
• Final Thoughts & Outro: 49:50 – 50:37

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Tone & Takeaways

Kathy and Susan maintain their trademark blend of honesty, warmth, and humor — even in the face of difficult topics. The episode is deeply empathetic, particularly to families grappling with the invisible realities of mental health, and closes with laughter and stories of resilience. Listeners are reminded that help is available and that every struggle is valid, no matter how alone one feels.

Final message: Talk about mental health, seek the support you deserve, and remember — you’re not alone.

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[Kathy]

This episode contains discussions about mental health, including topics such as depression, anxiety and suicide. Please take care while listening and consider skipping this episod if you're not in a place to engage with these topics. If you or someone you know is struggling, please reach out to a mental health professional or contact a crisis line. And one more thing before we dive in, I just wanted to say on a personal note, when my husband took his life, a lot of people asked me how he did it, why he did it, did he leave a note? Was he depressed? None of those things are really important other than to say that leaving behind a family. He left me behind three children, a mother, siblings. It is the hardest thing I've ever had to deal with in my life. People often ask me if he was Depressed. And all I can say is, of course he was depressed. The sad part is I didn't see how depressed he was. And for someone to take their life, you know, if you're happy and life is going well, you're enjoying life, you're not looking for a way to exit this earth. So think about that the next time someone you know has or a family friend or whatever has to deal with suicide. It always, always involves depression. And I wish I had reached out for help, and if I had known the severity of it, I would would have done that. So, you know, I try to make light of it sometimes when people ask me and I say, you know, if you're unhappy in life, most people, they'll go out and buy a sports car, they'll have an affair, they'll go buy a fancy watch or take an expensive trip. People don't think that people are going to take their life when they're unhappy. And it's such a different diagnosis if you're diagnosed with cancer or, you know, a blood disease that takes your life. Suicide is very different because you choose to take your life and leave the people that loved you and cared about you. So I just needed to say that before we get going on this episode today. Welcome back to bachelor happy hours golden hour. Thanks for joining us today. We're so excited to be back with another episode today.

[Susan]

We absolutely are. Today we're going to be answering more of our fan questions. So make sure, guys, that you're still submitting them because we love reading them, talking about them, giving our advice, and you know how to do it. BachelorNation.com Golden Hour and just keep them coming.

[Kathy]

Keep them coming. Send us everything. We really love to hear from you, your questions, your comments. We love to get updates on questions that we've answered on prior episodes. So please write into us. You can also DM us on Instagram BachelorHappy Hour.

[Susan]

And people are starting to do that, Kat. I've noticed. Okay. All right, it's time to get into the episode, and we're gonna start with our favorite part, the question of the day.

[Kathy]

Okay, before we do that, can I just say this? You know, Susan, you know me, I'll laugh a minute, Love to make jokes. But this episode, and for all y' all listening, this is a very close to home subject for me. Mental health is what we're gonna be talking about in this episode. And you all know my husband died by suicide, which is right up the alley of mental health issues. So for me, this is going to hit a little Close to home, but we're going to do it. And I hope that this episode is going to help a lot of people struggling with these kinds of issues. So go ahead, start us off with a question of the day.

[Susan]

Absolutely. Kathy, what has it been like seeing how society has evolved when it comes to mental health? How did you manage your mental health when you were younger?

[Kathy]

Okay, so the first thing I would say is society has evolved. Social media has caused a lot of difficulties for people for many reasons. People seeing the life they want to live or feeling FOMO like everyone else has a great life, but I don't. And so much of social media is the life you wish you were living, not really the life you are living or just posting about the best things in your life. And nobody's life is perfect all the time. I think that's part of the problem. I think the other thing is that we are seeing so much more mental illness in society. We see many more homeless people than when I was growing up, people who have drug and alcohol issues. All of those are issues that come under the umbrella of mental health. And I just think we see more of it. Why? I don't know. I think the world has become a more complex a place to live.

[Susan]

I. I do believe, though, that society is more aware of mental health. I mean, look at the shootings at the schools and the. All the things that have happened in the last decade. More people acknowledge and realize mental health is a huge thing. And if you feel like somebody in your family needs help, you get help. Also, as far as social media, there are people, things out there to help.

[Kathy]

People, you know, well, so that are struggling, you know, and I've said this before when, and I know this is not necessarily a popular thought, but is. My husband's gone, been gone for almost six years, and I still hold this to be true. When you have someone who's threatening suicide and they say call a suicide hotline, somebody who's decided to take their life, going to do it, maybe not today.

[Susan]

I think when they call those hotlines, it's a cry for help sometimes, yes.

[Kathy]

But sometimes they're not there. So I think it takes a lot of money, effort, resources to deal with mental health. Mental health, like I said, is the big umbrella. And I don't think this is just my opinion. I don't think our society spends enough, and maybe there's lots of reasons for that, but I don't think we spend enough on mental health. And that's why I think kids today have a tougher world than we had, they have a lot more pressure.

[Susan]

When I was growing up, I never heard of some things like bipolar and people that are medicated and then they feel like they shouldn't take the medicines. They don't like the way they feel. Autism is another one that I didn't hear of as a child.

[Kathy]

Well, autism isn't a mental health issue. That's a. Yeah, but, yeah, but, but your point is well taken, that there are that things that alcohol and drug issues are either more prevalent today or they're just out in the open more today.

[Susan]

Much more. Either way.

[Kathy]

Yes, but either way to address these issues, you know, when you, when you take someone and you, you, you throw them in jail and really it's not, they're not criminals. They have mental health issues. So it's, you know, you and I aren't about to solve this problem today. But I think when I was younger, you know how I managed my mental health. I truly played a lot of sports, I read a lot. I kind of the same things I do now, frankly. You know, I exercised, I read, I, I, I hung out with friends. But I think the competition is so much stronger today.

[Susan]

Yes, it is. And social media, I mean, that's a huge. If you feel like you're not important on social media, then you're nobody. It's sad with what people.

[Kathy]

Well, and the other thing I think that affects, I mean, there's so many things we could do. We could write a book, literally. But, but the, the isolation that kids feel today behind their computers, their screens, all the time, I think that affects people's mental health.

[Susan]

It does.

[Kathy]

You know, there's just.

[Susan]

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[Kathy]

Okay, well, let's get to it then.

[Susan]

Okay, you want to start?

[Kathy]

All right, here we go. The first question is from Anonymous. Hi, ladies. I really need your help. I'm 19 and my mom does not understand mental health. I've always struggled with what I now know is severe anxiety and ocd. I only recently got a diagnosis. It's been life changing, but it's still very much an uphill battle trying to manage it. I could really use my mom's support, but she thinks it's all made up, which I find really hurtful. I've even allowed my psychiatrist to contact her and talk her through my diagnosis, and she still just doesn't get it. For example, my brother has adhd, and all she says is, if you wanted to focus, you would. How do I get her to understand I really need all the support I can get right now. My dad is on my side, but won't even try to get through to her. Thanks, ladies. Wow, so 19. I mean, that is a tough age right there.

[Susan]

That is. And her mom just doesn't get it. When she blames her for. For things.

[Kathy]

I think the mom gets it. Exactly. I think the mom denial. No. Well, I don't know. I don't know her, but I think she looks in the mirror and thinks her kids have these problems because of some way she failed her children. That's what I. She feels guilty that she somehow caused these things. And I think parents sometimes, I mean.

[Susan]

I've said it to my kids. If you want to focus, you got to pay attention. You got to pay attention and hear that two of them had a learning disability.

[Kathy]

Right.

[Susan]

And until I went and had them tested and met with the school people, I understood and I felt terrible.

[Kathy]

I think, I think my mother was dyslexic.

[Susan]

She was reading back. Why aren't you getting this, Britney? She couldn't explain it.

[Kathy]

Again, the issue of mental health, dyslexia, adhd, these are all. Well, dyslexia is educational, neurological and ocd. And these behaviors come from different situations in life. The point is, this girl that we're talking about has a psychiatrist and needs your mom. And if the psychiatrist can't get through the mom, I think the mom does know. I think she just can't face it sometimes, which again makes it really tough on the child because it does. Teenagers in this day and age need a lot of support.

[Susan]

And I think lean on your dad more than your mom, you're not going to convince her yourself and it's only going to upset her. So let your dad handle it.

[Kathy]

Well, he said my dad is on my side, but won't even try to get through to her. You know what I would say to you, Anonymous? I. I would lean on your friends. I know it's tough. I would find teachers, school counselors, someone at church. I would find people that can support you. We all want our parents to be great supporters. Sometimes they just can't be. And you know what?

[Susan]

Some reading material and pamphlets on what it is and have a read them. Denial is not. Not understanding, it's denying. And that like you said in the beginning, maybe she feels some certain way that my children have this. Could it have come from me?

[Kathy]

Right. You know, so that's what I'm saying. I don't think she's denying it. I think she can't face it. Because she's blaming herself. The mom's blaming herself. But sweetie, I hate that you're feeling not supported. So I would really encourage you. We all want our parents to support us, but sometimes they just can't. So you need to find some people who.

[Susan]

Find the people that will support you. Exactly.

[Kathy]

And let us know. Hoping, you know, hoping you're on the right medication, hoping that you feel better and teenage years are tough. It will get easier as you get older. It will.

[Susan]

Okay, thank you. Another. Anonymous hi Kathy and Susan. I need some help with my son. He's 14 and really struggles with trying to regulate his stress or his emotions. He has so many outbursts and fights with me and my husband constantly. Is this really just what teenagers are like? I have no idea how to talk to him. I've tried to encourage him seeing a therapist or use his time at the gym to get his stress out but it always results in him shutting down and locking himself in his room. What do I do? Thanks so much.

[Kathy]

So again, this for me personal, I think it's this mom, you need to take charge here. He's 14. Teenager. You're right on all counts.

[Susan]

Yes.

[Kathy]

Anonymous it is teenagers. It is teenagers. However, that doesn't mean that he doesn't need help. It doesn't mean that he's going to be fine and he's going to outgrow it. Again, Susan and I are not therapist.

[Susan]

He could have some serious issues that he might need medication or at least somebody to medically to assess him.

[Kathy]

Right. So when she says I've been trying to encourage him to see a therapist. Anonymous no, no, no. You are the parent. You make the appointment with a therapist. You pick your son up from school, you take him into the office and, and you know what? He may sit there and clam up and say nothing to this man or woman, whoever the therapist is for two or three weeks. But eventually, eventually he feels, once he feels like he can trust the person and that's what they're trying to do is get kids trust. What I wouldn't do is do nothing. That's what I would not.

[Susan]

Absolutely not. So it could be full blown depression. It could have anger issues. I mean you don't know. We're not doctors study this and they.

[Kathy]

Know, you know, I said this was a hard topic for me. I will say teenagers love them. I have, I had three of them. They can be total pains in the ass. Anonymous but, but having said that, you can't always chalk up a child's behavior to being a pain in the ass teenager.

[Susan]

So once again, don't assume.

[Kathy]

Yeah, I would. I'd get some help from. And don't ask him if he wants to go, you know, take him. You're the parent. Be the parent, take charge.

[Susan]

And you want to do it now because he's 14. If you wait till 18, you don't know what happens.

[Kathy]

No, sweetie, if you wait till 18. If you wait till 18, you have no control. They're legal adults. You can't force them to do anything.

[Susan]

Exactly.

[Kathy]

Okay, let's go to question. Our next question is from another anonymous. Hi, Susan and Kathy. I have no idea where to start and I need help. I just found out that my husband has been living a secret life. He has another family across the country in the city where he has his quarterly conferences, if those are even real. He has a fiance and a son with this other woman. I found out after snooping through his laptop, following my gut, that something was off. Now he has no idea that I know. What do I do next? Thanks, ladies. Susan, do not get your baseball bat out.

[Susan]

That's so hurtful. Oh, my God. You have to sit them. Sit them down and let them know, you know. I mean, I'm not the one that's going to blame.

[Kathy]

You know what I would do.

[Susan]

That woman doesn't know either, I'm certain. You need to sit him down. It's over. I can tell you that.

[Kathy]

Well, I'm not. I'm. I'm. That's. That's, you know, that's white.

[Susan]

You said.

[Kathy]

Well, no, what I would do if it were me, I would go to a therapist and I would explain to the therapist what's happened and ask a therapist how's the best way to handle it. Because I would be angry, hurt, all of the things. And. And I wouldn't trust myself to sit down in a calm way. And furthermore, you don't know what his reaction is going to be. You don't know what's going to happen when you tell him. So I might. I don't know. I'm just saying that could be a very volatile situation. So I would. I might say, you know, Johnny, whatever your husband's name is, I'm having an issue. I'm having an issue, and I would like you to come with me to talk to a therapist about it. Well, you know, I would try to get him into a therapist's office and have a third party break the news and have conversation in the office. That's what I would do. I would.

[Susan]

And I'd fly the girl in and say, let's the three of us talk.

[Kathy]

You. Are you serious?

[Susan]

I'm dead serious.

[Kathy]

Oh, my God. I swear to God, I could never be Italian ever. Because I swear, I mean, I could never do half the stuff you say. And you're Italian, so I don't know.

[Susan]

I mean dip it in the butt.

[Kathy]

Of course she mean nip it in the butt.

[Susan]

She hasn't told him that she knows. So that's very strong of her right now because you react and she has it. She's sleeping with this. She's thinking about it. That hopefully she has time to find her calm and accept what's happening. But for me, that marriage is over.

[Kathy]

Okay, See, I can't even get there. I'm. I. Her choice of words. He has a fiance. No, no, darlin. He has a wife and a concubine. She's not a fiance because he's married to you. So you cannot have two wives. The fact that he has a child with her. I have to be honest, Anonymous, you are not the first wife who has a husband. Can I just. This is a tough episode. Can I just lighten it? When I lived in Houston, my dentists that were. I'm not going to mention their names. There were two players on the Houston Rockets basketball team. I'm sorry, one player on the Houston Rockets team who had two wives. Two families living in Houston. I didn't know it, but one day I was in the dentist's office and the wife number one is there with her kids. And all of a sudden I'm in the chair and I hear this commotion. Who did that? Get him out of here. Like, I'm. Like, I really hadn't. I was getting scared. I said I was kind of friends with my hygienist. So she said to me, it's his other family, that they have strict instructions to never book them. They knew each other existed to never book them on the same day. So they walk in, they were all in the waiting room. I almost choked on the toothpaste. I had to walk out. Can I tell you, the receptionist that booked them, she was fired on the spot for doing everybody. I mean, so it happens is my point.

[Susan]

Yes, it does.

[Kathy]

It does that.

[Susan]

Found out he had children from somebody else.

[Kathy]

So whether. Exactly. So whether your marriage is over or not, it's immaterial until you two can focus on the break in trust and his lack of integrity and blah, blah, blah, all of those important things. But I think you need professional help to deal with that. I don't think that's something you tackle on your own.

[Susan]

It depends on who she is and how strong of a woman she is. You know, how bad. Yeah. If you're not going to fly off the handle and kill them, I think.

[Kathy]

It'S really tough and anonymous. I'm sorry. Yeah, we're sorry. I know. We're sorry. Let us know. Let us know what happens. The fact that your gut was telling you something was off, it's probably been going on a whole lot longer than you think it has. And you know what? There might be another one. I mean, he might just be a profligate. What's, you know, just a. He's got women in every town. Whatever. So figure it out.

[Drew Phillips]

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[Narrator]

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[Wes West Prop]

Wes West Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop podcast. You already know our get down. If you grew up in our urban areas of comfort, of struggle, you understand politics much more than you giving credit for feds taking over American cities, government hop out boys hopping out the van, snatching up your Theo and them two wars that was supposed to be solved in 24 hours. Jerry just out here mandering all over the place, the turfs and of course the Epstein of it all. Well, this week we decided to shoot our shot and boy did we pull up from the logo to see if we could get somebody to come tap in with us. And the one and only Jamil Hill pulled up from the Spolitics podcast to keep it a whole, whole century in America.

[Susan]

What sells in politics are narratives and storylines.

[Wes West Prop]

It's like we treat politics like we.

[Susan]

Treat sports, which is part of the reason why we're in the situation we're in right now.

[Wes West Prop]

Listen to the Hood Politics with Prop podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Kathy]

Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor and.

[Drew Phillips]

I'm Drew Phillips and we run a.

[Kathy]

Podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you.

[Drew Phillips]

Love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated adhd.

[Kathy]

Oh my God, perfect.

[Drew Phillips]

And want to hear people with mental illness psycho babble.

[Kathy]

Yes, yes.

[Drew Phillips]

Then Emergency Intercom's the podcast for you. Open your free I Heart Radio app, search Emergency Intercom and listen. Now. I had this like overwhelming sensation that.

[Kathy]

I had to call her right there.

[Drew Phillips]

And I just hit call, said you know, hey, Jacob Schick, I'm the CEO of One Tribe foundation and I just wanted to go on and let her.

[Kathy]

Know there's a lot of people battling.

[Drew Phillips]

Some of the very same things you're battling and there is help out there.

[Kathy]

The Good Stuff podcast season two takes a deep look into One Tribe Foundation, a non profit fighting suicide in the veteran community. September is National Suicide Prevention Month, so join hosts Jacob and Ashley Schick as they bring you to the front lines of One Tribe's mission.

[Susan]

I was married to a combat army veteran and he actually took his own life to suicide. One Tribe saved my life twice. There's a lot of love that flows through this place and it's sincere now. It's a personal mission. Don't have to go to any more funerals.

[Drew Phillips]

You know, I got blown up on a react mission. I ended up having amputation below the knee of my right leg and a traumatic brain injury because I landed on my head.

[Susan]

Welcome to season two of the Good Stuff.

[Kathy]

Listen to the Good Stuff podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Susan]

All right, Kathy. Instead of a game today, we wanted to end off this episode a little more light hearted.

[Kathy]

Thank goodness.

[Susan]

This was a tough one. So we're going to be just answering some questions about us and our friendship so you all can get to know us a little bit better. And we're going to switch off reading the questions, but we'll both answer every one of them. Okay, I'm going to start us off. What's a fond memory you have from when you first became a parent?

[Kathy]

Oh, for me, it was holding my first son, my first child for the very first time. Looking at my husband and realizing we created this beautiful human being. I'll never forget it.

[Susan]

Mine was a daughter and that's exactly right. It was in that hospital room. Look at how beautiful. And she was perfect. And her hair and she had 10 fingers and 10 toes. We did this.

[Kathy]

We did. You know, Susan, I remember my oldest son was born 10 days early and he was forcep delivery, so he was red and you know, and I people, I still laugh about this. When he came out, I said, I, oh my God, he's the most beautiful baby. I feel so sorry for parents who don't have a beautiful child. Then I went back and looked at the pictures when he was born, oh, my God, he was the most, he looked like something the cat dragged in.

[Susan]

That was my Christopher, who's only three pounds. I go, oh my God, he looks Like a chicken.

[Kathy]

Yeah, but I didn't say that. I just thought he was. Anyway, being a parent, especially for the first time, what a gift. All right, if you could give your 30 year old self one piece of advice, what would it be?

[Susan]

Trust your instincts.

[Kathy]

That's a good one. Mine would be, you got a lot of life left to live. Embrace every minute.

[Susan]

Yeah, don't sweat the small stuff. All right. What's a passion or hobby you picked up after turning 50?

[Kathy]

Dating.

[Susan]

Golfing. To play golf. That was.

[Kathy]

No, I was kidding about dating. Oh, pickleball.

[Susan]

Oh, yeah.

[Kathy]

Boxing. I couldn't stick with it too long. Boxing.

[Susan]

I think that under 50, I don't.

[Kathy]

Know those two for sure. Definitely not cooking, I can tell you that. All right, what's one misconception? Oh, oh, I. You and I have the same answer on this. We're going to have the same answer. What's one misconception people often have about women in their 60s? Are we thinking.

[Susan]

I think we're done? We're never done.

[Kathy]

Oh, mine is more specific. That women over 60 don't like sex. That is a misconception.

[Susan]

Oh, my God. Yeah, sorry. Are you kidding me? It's better at 60 than it was at 40.

[Kathy]

I mean, that's just funny. I think. Yeah. I think people don't understand women in their 60s unless they date one or are married to one. Okay. All right.

[Susan]

What's your proudest accomplishment that no one ever asks you about?

[Kathy]

You know what? Oh, well, I, you know, back to the serious nature of this thing, I came from a pretty abusive family. Not pretty, very abusive. My mother was very abusive. But people, if they don't know it.

[Susan]

Yeah. Why would they ask if they don't know?

[Kathy]

Yeah. So the people that don't know, my friends know. But my proudest accomplishment is that I didn't fall into the abusive trap and abuse my children the way she abused me. I was a really good parent. I wasn't a perfect parent. My kids will tell you, but my kids know they're loved and, and cared for. So that's my proudest accomplishment.

[Susan]

All right, what's something about your coach? Excuse me?

[Kathy]

What's your proudest accomplishment?

[Susan]

Well, it's not my proudest accomplishment that nobody ever asked. Everybody has always asked. Whatever I've done, I've never had nobody.

[Kathy]

Not ask, so I didn't ask. You were willing to tell. All right, I don't know. I'm going to tell them what it is. All right, go on.

[Susan]

What's something about your co host that would Be me. That would surprise new listeners.

[Kathy]

I don't want to say it. I'll tell you later. No, it's not a bad thing. It's just, you know, it's. I don't think you'd want listeners to know it. Let me see if I can come up with a light one here.

[Susan]

I have something about you. What's something about you that would surprise new listeners? Listeners? She's definitely not as hard as she seems sometimes. She's got a huge heart.

[Kathy]

Thank you. What I was going to say is that Susan is people always say you're kind and easygoing and lovely, and you are all those things, but you're not as easygoing as people think you are. Am I right? No, you're not. That's not an insult. I'm saying you like things done a certain way. Oh, come on.

[Susan]

I'm just as far as I keep my house.

[Kathy]

No, just in general, like you are. You come across.

[Susan]

I'm a type A.

[Kathy]

Yes, you're a type A. People think of you. Oh, I love. People say me all the time. I love Susan. She's a go with the flow girl.

[Susan]

Do you think new listeners wouldn't know that about me?

[Kathy]

I. I think new. I think most people think you are. And you are fun and jovial and have a big heart and love to live and life. Live life big.

[Susan]

But you also, like, tolerate ignorance and I don't tolerate.

[Kathy]

You like things structured and regimented. Some. I just think people would be surprised to know that.

[Susan]

Okay, good.

[Kathy]

All right. If you had to describe your co host in three words, what would they be? Go ahead. You want to go first?

[Susan]

Okay. Funny, Direct and con.

[Kathy]

Oh, okay. Those are. I actually think those are fair. I would say for you, bubbly. I would also say kind of and empathetic.

[Susan]

Oh, that's a curse.

[Kathy]

Yes, you are sometimes too much. Yeah. But before, though. All right, we're gonna keep going here.

[Susan]

But what's the biggest difference between you two and what's one thing you're weirdly similar about?

[Kathy]

I mean, the biggest difference right now is Susan has a boyfriend and I don't. But we're going to remedy that.

[Susan]

To me, the biggest difference is I love food. I like to cook, I enjoy, I live to eat. And Kathy is the polar opposite. She doesn't care, she doesn't cook, and everything tastes the same. It's beyond me.

[Kathy]

That's true. Although I do like to offer a nice meal. Susan. I do.

[Susan]

But what are we weirdly similar about how important friendships are and how important.

[Kathy]

That people are and how important people are in our life. And I honestly, honestly think we're both very empathetic. I do.

[Susan]

Okay.

[Kathy]

All right.

[Susan]

All right, go ahead.

[Kathy]

What's a memorable moment you two have shared that made you realize you had a special connection?

[Susan]

Okay, how much time do we have?

[Kathy]

I was just gonna say. Oh, my God. There's been some funny ones, like, hysterical. The date in Florida when you made me go. Go with you. The date in St. Martin when you met Frederica made me go in French, Spanish and English. Yeah. I mean, I think anybody who joined.

[Susan]

You as your guest for your son's wedding.

[Kathy]

Yep. Well, you officiated. That was very memorable. I would say we're getting ready to take a cruise. That's going to be. That's going to be a lot of memorable moments.

[Susan]

Next week we'll talk about that. Yeah.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Susan]

Okay.

[Kathy]

All right.

[Susan]

What's your favorite drink to have at a nice bar or restaurant? Oh, Kathy, wait.

[Kathy]

Let's answer for each other.

[Susan]

It's dirty water.

[Kathy]

No, ranch water. She's. I drink ranch water, which is tequila, soda and lime. Or I'll drink vodka. Susan is a Grand Marnier girl. She will drink, though. She'll drink red wine. I know. I know you.

[Susan]

And sometimes a martini. A French martini.

[Kathy]

Yeah. Sometimes a seven. What do you call. What's a seven? Six, eight or something. What are they called?

[Susan]

That's Jones. That's Jones.

[Kathy]

Oh, whatever.

[Susan]

Yes.

[Kathy]

All right.

[Susan]

Okay.

[Kathy]

What's a belief or opinion you owe. What's a belief or opinion you've changed your mind about over the years?

[Susan]

I know mine.

[Kathy]

What's yours?

[Susan]

Hooking up.

[Kathy]

What about it?

[Susan]

I now know what it really means. I used to think it was just, you know, hanging out, kissing somebody. It's sex. And I had no idea. So I've changed my opinion.

[Kathy]

I think I. I French. Oh. You know that thing is called a French 75? I just came to me. Yes, that's what it's called, a French 75. Okay. I think. I'm not sure that I've changed my belief. I've just become a lot softer and a lot more understanding and tolerant of people's opinions. I think when I was younger, you know, I was. I know the right way. It should be now. I'm like, I'm tolerant people. You're entitled to your belief. You're entitled to your opinion. I'm not going to spend a lot of time trying to convince somebody that I'm right. I'm right for me, maybe, not for them. Right.

[Susan]

What's something you're still learning about yourself even now.

[Kathy]

Ooh. I think. I think just how I can be the best version of myself every day, and other people see it. I don't know.

[Susan]

What would you say what I'm still learning about me.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Susan]

Is I've always been okay with me and never realized it. And I'm learning how I can be okay with who I am. Yeah, I guess. Okay. Oh, wait.

[Kathy]

I have to say. Well, I'm sorry to interrupt. It just heard me. You triggered me when you said that. I think I'm learning that I am stronger than I ever thought I was and still learning that I can still grow, be stronger, and have a soft side to me, too.

[Susan]

I agree with that. What does success mean to you today compared to when you were younger?

[Kathy]

I think when we were younger, it was about having a great career, making money, having the expensive toys or the nice toys or the nice trips. What does success mean to you today?

[Susan]

Just what it always has. But you succeed. You go try to do something, and you succeed at it. That's what it is. I don't think it's changed.

[Kathy]

For me, success today means what we alluded to earlier. Seeing my children be good human beings, give back to their community. It makes me realize that I was a successful parent. It's not about accumulation anymore. It's about passing the torch to my kids. All right, what's a risk? Oh, if you don't know how to answer this one, Susan, what's a risk you took that paid off in ways you never expected? I want you to think there's only one answer here. Oh, dear. Can I answer it for you?

[Susan]

Opening my heart up for Frederic.

[Kathy]

Frederick, what's a risk you took? Let me be a little more clear for you for the rest of the world. Going to meet a man in a bar in a strange country that you didn't speak the same language, open it up, and doing it, and you fell in love. That is a big risk. And it paid off in ways you never expected. Expected? You have a man you love in Saint Martin. What's. What's a risk I took going to the bar with you, hoping he had a brother, and he didn't. It didn't pay off. Okay. What legacy or feeling do you hope listeners walk away with after each episode?

[Susan]

My feeling is I hope. I hope every time that we help whoever sent in these questions and the people that we have on our guests that come and chat with us that we made them feel good and proud of who they are.

[Kathy]

Yeah, I agree. With all that. And I would.

[Susan]

You and I got to have a few laughs.

[Kathy]

Yeah, we laughed. But I would add that people, except maybe with the exception of this episode, which is still very important, people walk away feeling entertained and happy. We brought some joy. Laughter into their life for the half hour. Maybe they got some good advice. They got to know us better. They had some fun, you know, without. It didn't cost them anything. But turning on their. But I want to say that. And that's valuable. Right. I want to say, though, before we wrap this up, you know, mental health is unfortunately still somewhat of a taboo subject. It's better than it used to be. But any anybody out there struggling, talk about it themselves or with a partner or your children. Get help.

[Susan]

Yes. Talk about it.

[Kathy]

Absolutely. Help from someone.

[Susan]

And you know what? Thank you, everybody, for joining us today. This was not as easy as all of our other episodes because we like to have fun, but this is very serious and we take it very serious.

[Kathy]

Yeah. So be sure to follow Bachelor Happy Hour because we have new episodes coming out every week and we promise to bring the fun back next time. We promise.

[Susan]

We do. Yes, we do. Make sure you're submitting your questions to us and you know how to do it. Go to bachelor nation.com golden hour or DM us on Instagram at Bachelor Happy Hour.

[Kathy]

Listen to Bachelor Happy Hours golden hour on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Till next time, have a great week.

[Susan]

See you.

[Wes West Prop]

All right, West West Prop here from hood politics with prop podcast. You know, I get down. You come from the urban areas. You understand politics more than you giving credit for. Between Jerry out here mandering all over the place. Hop out, boys. Snatching up family members and two wars that was supposed to be done in 24 hours. Not to mention Epstein. We had to reach out to the homie Jamel Hill cause she gonna keep it a century.

[Susan]

The American public is used to being entertained.

[Wes West Prop]

We're a consumption society.

[Susan]

So what Trump figured out is entertain them and they'll never question you.

[Wes West Prop]

Listen to the hood politics with prop podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Kathy]

Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor.

[Drew Phillips]

And I'm Drew Phillips.

[Kathy]

And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you.

[Drew Phillips]

Love crime crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated adhd.

[Kathy]

Oh, my God, perfect.

[Drew Phillips]

And want to hear people with mental illness psycho babble.

[Kathy]

Yes, yes.

[Drew Phillips]

Then emergency Intercom's the podcast for you. Open your free iHeartradio app. Search emergency Intercom and listen. Now.

[Susan]

Your entire identity has been fabricated. Your beloved brother goes missing without a trace. You discover the depth of your mother's illness. I'm Dani Shapiro, and these are just a few of the powerful stories I'll be mining on our upcoming 12th season of Family Secrets. We continue to be moved and inspired by our guests and their courageously told stories. Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric, I sat down with Jasmine Crockett and Democratic representative of Texas. She's holding down the fort for her party in one of the most conservative states in the union. I think that ultimately who will become the Democratic nominee for president will be someone that has been out there and has shown that they won't allow themselves to be punched and just say thank you. Like they will punch back. Listen to Next Question with me, Katie Couric, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, it's Honey German, and I'm back with season two of my podcast. Gracias. Come again. We got you. When it comes to the latest in music and entertainment with interviews with some of your favorite Latin artists and celebrities, you didn't have to audition.

[Kathy]

No, I didn't audition.

[Drew Phillips]

I haven't auditioned in, like, over 25 years.

[Susan]

Oh, wow. That's a real G talk right there.

[Kathy]

Oh, yeah.

[Susan]

We'll talk about all that's viral and trending with a little bit of Cheeseman and a whole lot, lot of laughs. And of course, the great Bibras you've come to expect. Listen to the new season of Dashes. Come again on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This is an iHeart podcast.