Rachel Lindsay Part 2 — Betrayal, Prenups, and Dating Today

Summary

Bachelor Happy Hour: Rachel Lindsay Part 2 — Betrayal, Prenups, and Dating Today
Release Date: March 4, 2026
Hosts: Charity Lawson & Rachel Recchia | Guest: Rachel Lindsay

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Episode Overview

In this emotionally charged episode, Rachel Lindsay returns for a raw and candid conversation about the aftermath of her divorce—specifically the pain of betrayal, the lessons learned about prenups, and the uncharted territory of dating post-Bachelor Nation. Co-hosts Charity Lawson and Rachel Recchia create space for Lindsay to reflect on her personal journey, offer tangible advice, and tease her forthcoming book, which aims to break the stigma around divorce and empower those navigating similar paths.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Moment of Betrayal and Its Public Fallout

• Rachel describes the shock of learning about her divorce through public channels, sharing the intense emotional experience and the speed at which everything unfolded.

  • “It all came crashing, crashing in... I woke up that morning thinking, okay, I probably have to start looking for an attorney... but not that. So it all crashed in on me. And then it was just like, go fight or flight, like, what am I gonna do now?”
    — Rachel Lindsay, 03:54

• Rachel reflects on the challenges of living a public relationship, explaining the necessity of privacy, the perception of authenticity, and why not all struggles are shared online.

  • “Every time I got on the microphone, I was supposed to say, oh, I had a rough day, Brian and I were fighting today?... We were working on it. So you know, that it was a work. And we were trying. We tried. You know, we were in therapy... But I wasn't being fake. It's just, I'm living my life, but I'm not giving you every single detail about it.”
    — Rachel Lindsay, 07:01

2. Public Perception, Shame, and Why She’s Speaking Out

• Rachel addresses negative narratives about her and the perceived façade of her relationship, laying bare the real, messy process behind the scenes.

  • “To that I would say, well, what did you expect? …I don’t think inviting people in in that way would have… helped it at that time.”
    — Rachel Lindsay, 07:01

• She unpacks the enduring shame that’s often attached to divorce, especially for young people who may still want families, and presents her book as a resource written for those needing guidance post-separation.

  • “I think there's a lot of shame still in 2026 when you talk about divorce, especially when you're younger and there's certain things that you still want, like a family.”
    — Rachel Lindsay, 03:54

3. Brian’s Public Statements and Crossing Boundaries

• Rachel recounts the pain of her ex-husband publicly sharing intimate and inaccurate details (e.g., regarding fertility) without her consent.

  • “He talked about fertility. And it wasn’t even the truth of what he was saying...I just was like, that's...That's low.”
    — Rachel Lindsay, 08:56

• She discusses the distress of seeing her private business, emotions, and finances become fodder for public scrutiny and headlines.

  • “You just got awarded like $13,000 a month. Why are you now putting out this video? ...Everything. It would just shock me for that whole 2024.”
    — Rachel Lindsay, 09:19

4. The Prenup Conversation: Regrets and Lessons

• Rachel offers a detailed account of why she and her ex didn’t sign a prenup in 2019, citing mutual belief in each other and lack of significant wealth disparity at the time.

  • “When I said, hey, I think we should get a prenup, and he explained his reason why...I didn't want this to be the reason that we don't make it, because you never think that the person is capable of doing what happened to me.”
    — Rachel Lindsay, 10:41 – 12:23

• She’s frank about her regret and the wisdom gained:

  • “Yes, I'm an attorney. It just. That shouldn't even matter...I should have got a prenup. I get it.”
    — Rachel Lindsay, 12:53
  • “I mean, that could be the title of my book. I'm dumb. I didn't get a prenup. Like, I accept it. Please don't be me.”
    — Rachel Lindsay, 13:06

• Rachel reframes prenups as sensible estate planning and advocates destigmatizing them for couples:

  • “It's like an insurance plan...You protect yourself. And as you're bringing other people into your marriage, like kids, and you just want to protect it. I think that's the way you look at it. Look at it like estate planning.”
    — Rachel Lindsay, 14:12

5. Resentment, Financial Fallout, and Moving On

• Rachel discusses her feelings around the spousal support decision—why that stung more than dividing shared assets—and how strict California law compounded the situation.

  • “Spousal support was probably the thing I would not have been...down for. Would I have wanted to give half of what I had? No...But the spousal support is really eats at me even still to this day.”
    — Rachel Lindsay, 16:06

• She explains the mechanics behind the court’s decision and sets straight misconceptions about the continued payments.

  • “It's temporary. So once we settled on the divorce, that payment is no longer necessary...That ended the moment that we settled.”
    — Rachel Lindsay, 17:16 & 19:03

• On letting go: Rachel shares her process of moving from anger to acceptance, emphasizing the value of what wasn’t lost.

  • “Yeah, he took money from me...but I made it before, and it may take me longer, but I can make it again...He didn't take me, you know what I mean?”
    — Rachel Lindsay, 24:10 & 25:39

6. Dating Today: New Fears and Funny Stories

• The challenges of dating after being on reality TV—navigating new relationships when your past is public, and learning to discern genuine connection from curiosity about fame.

  • “Are you getting to know me because you like me and you want my experience? …Or are you just so curious about what it’s like to be on reality tv?... That's the scariest thing about dating post Bachelorette.”
    — Rachel Lindsay, 42:14

• Rachel confirms she’s dating someone new but keeps details private, acknowledging this as an exciting, vulnerable chapter.

  • “No, I'm dating someone.”
    — Rachel Lindsay, 45:13

• The hosts share humorous anecdotes about supporting Rachel in the dating world, including reporting her ex on Hinge "for domestic terrorism."

  • “I was swiping on hinge, and I found Brian unhinged, and I reported him for domestic terrorism.”
    — Host 1, 34:03

7. Healing, Community, and the Purpose of Her Book

• Rachel reflects on the shame and isolation of her toughest days post-divorce and credits her support system for her recovery.

  • “I really had. I was unrecognizable to myself. And then I would have to put on a face to podcast or to do an event, but I was a shell of myself for a while, and I really want to write to that.”
    — Rachel Lindsay, 27:28

• Emphasizes why it’s crucial to show the full journey, not just the “happily ever after.”

  • “Going back to how the Bachelor/Bachelorette portrays us, and it makes it seem like we have all the answers and we figured it out... I wanted to write a book that showed that… I work through it, and that’s hard and messy... but you can get there.”
    — Rachel Lindsay, 27:28–28:41

8. Advice for Future Bachelorettes, Book & Podcast News

• Rachel gives the new generation of Bachelor Nation hosts advice on interviewing and making an impact.

  • “She said two things should always come out of your interviews. You either need to break news... And two, make a moment...That moment might be in your question...in your reaction...something you reveal within the interview.”
    — Rachel Lindsay, 53:32

• Announces that she will be recapping the current Bachelor season on The Ringer network and will return for more cross-podcast collaborations.

  • “This is news, you guys. I'll give you this breaking news. I'm totally going to recap with them on the show, which means I’ll be watching and I’ll be up to date. So I would come back on your show and talk about the season because I’ll be watching.”
    — Rachel Lindsay, 47:51

• The group discusses future book clubs and special Bachelor Happy Hour episodes, showing the ongoing bond among Bachelorettes.

  • “Should we do, like, a...Bachelorette reading time where it's just...Yes...Everyone hit it. Pre order as soon as this goes on sale.”
    — Rachel Lindsay & Hosts, 45:35–45:51

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “I’m dumb. I didn’t get a prenup. Like, I accept it. Please don’t be me.”
  — Rachel Lindsay, 13:06

• “He talked about fertility. And it wasn’t even the truth of what he was saying...I just was like, that’s...That’s low.”
  — Rachel Lindsay, 08:56

• “The person you marry is not the person, God forbid, if it gets that to that point. It’s not the person you divorce. It’s just not.”
  — Rachel Lindsay, 14:12

• “He took money from me...but I made it before, and it may take me longer, but I can make it again...In certain ways, I've blossomed so much more post-divorce that almost divorce has been a doorway for me for so much more.”
  — Rachel Lindsay, 25:39

• “Two things should always come out of your interviews. You either need to break news, right?...And two, she said, make a moment.”
  — Rachel Lindsay, 53:32

• [On reporting her ex on Hinge] “I found Brian unhinged, and I reported him for domestic terrorism. And that man is probably still on the app to this day. I need people to know that I'm out here doing the work.”
  — Host 1, 34:03

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Timeline of Key Segments

• 03:28–08:56 — Rachel explains how she discovered the divorce was public and analyzes the difficult emotions and public perception.
• 08:56–10:23 — Breakdown of ex-husband’s public interviews and crossing personal boundaries.
• 10:23–14:12 — The “prenup” discussion: regrets, societal pressures, advice.
• 16:06–19:03 — Rachel delves into resentment, financial settlement, California law, and public misconceptions.
• 24:02–25:39 — Letting go of anger, reframing the loss, and personal growth.
• 27:28–30:13 — Healing journey, support systems, and the purpose behind her upcoming book.
• 42:10–45:13 — Post-divorce dating realities—fears, funny stories, and new relationships.
• 47:51–53:32 — Rachel promises to return as a Bachelor recapper, offers guidance to the hosts on making memorable interviews.
• Various — Anecdotes, bonding, future plans for book club, and audience engagement.

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Episode Tone

Candid, supportive, and empowering—blending deep vulnerability with humor and practical wisdom. Rachel Lindsay’s self-deprecating wit, the hosts’ warmth, and honest back-and-forth foster a sense of community and resilience, making the episode both moving and inspiring for listeners.

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Final Reflections

Rachel Lindsay’s return to Bachelor Happy Hour is both a reckoning and a roadmap for anyone working through the private pain of public separation. Her openness about mistakes, lessons, and moving forward delivers sincere, hard-won wisdom. Charity and Rachel Recchia’s admiration and willingness to learn highlight the enduring impact of Lindsay’s journey—not just on Bachelor Nation, but on anyone navigating love, loss, and new beginnings. Pre-order her new book and stay tuned for more cross-podcast Bachelor recaps, candid stories, and poignant moments.

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[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Welcome back, everyone, to Bachelor happy hour. We are here with Rachel Lindsay Part 2. Let's get into it. Did you even have time to process or be sad or did you immediately go into anger? Cause I would have been angry having to read that in the tabloids over in person conversation.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

I write about finding out about the spousal support. Like, I didn't even. That's insane.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

As much as you can tell us. Yeah, I know. Everyone buy her book. We're gonna be reading the book, truly.

[Rachel Lindsay]

And the book isn't like just a. It's like it takes you through a journey, like it's essays again. So it takes you through, like, the journey of it. But I write about trying to describe what that moment felt like. So I don't want to give too much about that. But yeah, I mean, it's. You're. It's so much because it all comes crashing, crashing in. Like, I woke up that morning thinking, okay, like, I probably have to start looking for an attorney and, you know, like, our. What's our living situation gonna be like, and I need to go ahead and tell my family and that kind of thing, but not that. So it all crashed in on me. And then it was just like, go fight or flight, like, what am I gonna do now? Everything is rushed. When I thought we were just gonna kind of ease into this. But what I say is this all could have been very private. We could have handled it like in mediation. We could have done the Jason Momoa Lisa Bonet thing where it's like, we're working on it, we file and then the next day it's over. Cause we've already worked the whole thing out, no drama. But I feel it was public. I am meant to talk about it to help somebody who is either struggling to decide where to go in their relationship, whether they're married, whether it's a long term partnership. It's public for a reason. And so that the more I have talked about it, I get a lot of people who say thank you for talking about it in this way. Because I think there's a lot of shame still in 2026 when you talk about divorce, especially when you're younger and there's certain things that you still want, like a family. I've never dated on apps. It gets like a whole new world now. I'm dating. Post being on tv. I've never dated. When I dated before I was an attorney, I lived a much more private life. So there's just so much that I want to talk about that I couldn't find that kind of information out there. And then I want to talk about getting through it. And I feel like I could help somebody else. This is writing to help somebody else get through it. Maybe you don't know how to date again or be intimate again or get through the shame or the embarrassment of it or, you know, like, pick up the pieces. Like, where do you start? This is my story. But maybe it'll help somebody else get through it. But it's crazy. There's so much I haven't even talked about. And I think, you know, I do, I see, I see negative things, which, I mean, like, of course there's going to be negative. There's a positive side. There's got to be a negative side. I've, I learned that early, very on once I stepped into Bachelor Nation. You have to be able to accept both. But there are a lot of people who think, oh, you know, she was, she pretends to be, or she was pretending to be so real about it and she was presenting this relationship to the world. But behind the scenes, obviously that's not what it is. And to that I would say it's like, well, what did you expect? Every time I got on the microphone, I was supposed to say, oh, I had a rough day. Brian and I were fighting today. We were arguing today.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

It's really tough.

[Rachel Lindsay]

And let me tell you exactly what we were arguing over. We were working on it. So you know, that it was a work. And we were trying, we tried. You know, we were in therapy we're trying to work on it. I'm not gonna talk about the fact that, hey, we're in therapy and we're trying to work on our relationship. I don't think inviting people in in that way would have, you know. Cause we were trying to save it would have helped it at that time. So I wasn't being fake. It's just, I'm living my life, but I'm not giving you every single detail about it.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Right.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I wasn't. I know I did the Nick Viall interview. That was like a couple of weeks before. At that time, I did not know we were about to get a divorce. I knew we were having issues, but everything I said was true. We did want to have kids. I still wanted to have kids because I wasn't planning on, hey, then I'm about to go file for this divorce. So it was real. It's just I don't think people knew or maybe I wasn't being honest with myself about how bad it was in the moment. I was also going through a huge loss. I just lost my grandmother. Was very, very close with my grandmother. Like a few days was either the funeral was a few days before I had did that interview with Nick or a few days after. So there's just a lot going on. But nothing was fake.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Yeah.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I mean, maybe if I was like, yeah, we're good, maybe we weren't good, but we were working on it.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Yeah.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

It feels like almost what he did was like on purpose to humiliate you 1,000%, I think.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Yeah. I just, I. When Rachel says, I think of what was. He did like an interview with like a divorce. Like, I don't even know coach. That was actually unreal that he said

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

he was like his mental health. That's right. Like filed.

[Rachel Lindsay]

He said things in that interview that I had never even personally talked about that were.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

What did he say?

[Rachel Lindsay]

He talked about fertility. And it wasn't even the truth of what he was saying. And I've. Other than saying I wanted to have kids, I've never talked about that. Like, I've never. Nobody knows that. Like the story with that. And I just was like, that's.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

It's low.

[Rachel Lindsay]

That's low.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Yeah.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Like, I was like, wow. Just even the timing of all of that. It was advertised. It was like, oh, it's gonna be this three part thing. It was a. After he was just awarded temporary support. So it's like you just got, you know, and all this is public. It's like you just got awarded like $13,000 a month. Why are you now putting out this video? It's just all of it. Was it. I kept thinking, I can't be surprised about anything else that comes out. And then something else would happen. And it was like, my gosh, like, everything. It would just shock me for that whole 2024 is, like. Stuff just kept. And I was just. Kept saying, who is this person? Who is this person? Like, people were like, what did she do to him for him to be acting this guy? And I can only fall on. He was harboring all these feelings about me that I had absolutely no idea, because what else could motivate you to act in such a way?

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

I think it's. It's so crazy, too, because when everyone found out about the spousal, like, support, I think you immediately got criticism because they were like, you're a lawyer. How did you not see this coming? Didn't he ask you not to have the prenup?

[Rachel Lindsay]

Yeah, so I. I did.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

I don't think I knew that.

[Rachel Lindsay]

There's a lot that gets lost in the prenup conversation. So at the time that we were gonna get married, it was 2019. We were way more on equal footing. I didn't have the success that I had. I hadn't even. I hadn't even started the Bachelor podcast happy hour at the time. It was like, right. The wedding was right around the time we started that. So I was still freelancing a lot. I was investing in myself, so I would pay for a lot if I was doing a TV appearance. I usually had paid for my flight in my hotel. So it was totally different. I had stopped practicing law at that moment. That year in 2019, we were on equal footing. He owned a condo in Miami. He was older, so he had built up more of a savings than I had. So when I said, hey, I think we should get a prenup, and he explained his reason why it's. And I'm. Again, I'll. I'll write about this. It's easy to say. You would Say you would. It would be a deal breaker for you when you don't have that person. When you're at that crossroads, you're planning your wedding, it's again, some of the things about the societal pressure, some of the. Some other things surrounding it that I was like, I don't want this to be the reason that we don't make it, because you never think that the person is capable of doing what happened to me. Never in my wildest dreams did I think that, nor did I Have the success that I had. And if I did get that, I thought we would both have it. I could never have projected that our careers would be so different, that the disparity would be so great between us. I don't think he saw it that way at the time either. We believed in each other. I believed in him. He believed in me. And so, yeah, I said, I think

[HGTV Announcer]

we should get it.

[Rachel Lindsay]

He said, no, I didn't want that to be the reason. So I just was like, okay, fine, fine. We won't get a prenup. And you talk to people more. More people than you think don't get prenups more. Most lawyers that I know don't have a prenup. Yeah, I think it's just an easier thing to say. I think it's way more common. Thank goodness. I think everybody should get one. But, yeah, like, I get. I don't even get mad when people say it. I did initially, and I'm just kind of like, you know what?

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Fine.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Yeah, I'm dumb. I didn't get an attorney. I met a guy on reality tv. Not get an attorney. Get a prenup. I met a guy on reality tv. Yes, I'm an attorney. It just. That shouldn't even matter. It's unreality tv. I should have got a prenup. I get it.

[Charity]

Yeah.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I mean, that could be the title of my book. I'm dumb. I didn't get a prenup. Like, I accept it. I just. I just accept it now. People want to say that. Like, that's so old. Say something else now. At this point, like, it happened that we're divorced. It's settled. I've paid him off. It sucks.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

In one year, mind you. She paid him off in one year.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Thank you. But it's like, it is what it is. It happened. Learn from me. Please don't be me. That's what I say at the end of the day. But, yeah, there's a lot that went around that. And I just think that it's easy. I think if I was reading the headline, I would be like, how did that girl and I get a prenup? I would do the same things. I just don't get mad anymore when people say it.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

I feel like when you get or asking for a prenup, though, you're about to start your life with someone. Doesn't getting a prenup almost feel like you're predicting it to end?

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

That's what conversation. No, and I think that's what a lot of people like you know, I've even asked about it. I'm like, oh, should I? Should I not? And it's like, oh, do you love this person? Do you not? And it's like, no, I trust at

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

the time, you thought you could.

[Rachel Lindsay]

The person you marry is not the person, God forbid, if it gets that to that point. It's not the person you divorce. It's just not. Because there's things that have happened that have led you to this place. And so there's this great company called hello, Prenup, and they make it very easy for you, and they have a way of destigmatizing prenups that it's a conversation of estate planning you're planning for. So, like, look at it like that. Like, we're building something together. Like, it's a. It's like an insurance plan. You would get insurance together, Right. So you get insurance for your house. You get insurance for your car. You're not planning on getting in a wreck. You're not. But it could happen. You just don't know. You're not planning on something happening, a flood or something. But you protect yourself. And as you're bringing other people into your marriage, like kids, and you just want to protect it. And I think that's the way you look at it. Look at it, like, as estate planning. You're just protecting this beautiful future that you're building together. And that's the way that hello, Prenup talks about it. And so I think if you look at it through that lens, rather than, you know, we're planning on getting this just means, like, we're planning on our end. You're not. You're just protecting each other and all of this.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Yeah.

[Rachel Lindsay]

And if you trust each other, like, flip the word trust.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Right.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Oh, I trust you. So we're not going to get it. Well, don't you also just trust me so we can get it?

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Yeah.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I just feel like it kind of goes both ways.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Absolutely.

[Rachel Lindsay]

And, you know, I wish I was talking like this seven years ago when it. When it came down to it, but I didn't.

[Nature's Sunshine Sponsor]

Do you.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Do you feel like, in today, like, the present day? Do you have any. Yes. I don't want to say. I mean, we. I know we throw in the word resentment around a lot, but do you have, like, resentment towards, like, the spousal support and having to, like, go through with all of that? Yeah, I.

[Rachel Lindsay]

You know, it's sad because I thought it was gonna be amicable, and I would have loved to have, like, be sitting here now. With you guys and like saying, like, yeah, it didn't work. We just grew different ways. And, you know, I, I have a lot of love for him and all. Like, I wish. And I wish him the best. Like, I wish that is how it would have been. I feel none of that. Okay. Yeah, I feel none of that. And I, I definitely spousal support was probably the thing I would not have been. Would do. Would I have wanted to give half of what I had? No, no. But I would have been down for that. And like, there were convers. Like, there was just no negotiating, there was no compromising. I would have been so fine with just saying, fine, take half. But the spousal support is really eats at me even still to this day. It's like, really?

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

How did he get awarded that? When he quit his job immediately after your season, isn't that like his decision?

[Rachel Lindsay]

Yes, that was before we were married. So, like, it does just like what always gets lost in conversation. People will be like, well, he deserves half because he moved for her. He moved to Dallas, he moved to la. Does nobody remember that? I quit being a lawyer and moved to Miami for a year and a half. I do not like Miami. I moved to support him. I moved to support. Nobody talks about that, like, But a marriage I felt like was give and take. It's compromised. He moved for me, I moved for him. That's why I was like, fine, I'll give you, I'll give you half of it. But the court, it's. California is really tough. Every, every state is different. We got married in Florida. That was another thing. Reason I was okay with signing the prenup because Florida is not community property. So it was kind of like, well, if it, if I didn't think we were going to move to la. So I was like, for staying in Florida too, it's. It's not California. It's not a state like that. So it's just. What happened was why he got rewarded so much. A temporary. It's. They take your tax returns. What did you make over the marriage versus what this person? And they split it in half. And so because he was building a business and wasn't making anything, which again, if you think about what I just said, it refutes. It refutes some of the things that he said. Because if, you know, everything was so great in Miami, why was this disparity so big? But it just takes like what I made, what he made monthly, and they split it and that's how you. It got 13,000. It's temporary. It's temporary. So once, once we settled on the divorce, that that payment is no was no longer necessary. So that's another thing. People think I'm still paying 13,000. That ended the moment that we settled.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Got it.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Like I settled on the amount of spousal support as well.

[Dr. Jake Goodman]

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[Charity]

Okay, honest question. Are you someone who does your taxes the minute you can or someone who waits until the absolute last possible second?

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Wow, calling me out already. But yes, last possible second every year.

[Charity]

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[Charity]

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[Charity]

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[HGTV Announcer]

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[Rachel Lindsay]

That's part of the reason.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

I mean, we've talked about this before. I just cannot understand how this man is not embarrassed.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Me too.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

He took no so much from You. It feels like to start a new life without you, without you even knowing that this was gonna happen.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Yeah, it, you know, I. I was really angry about it in the beginning, and then I realized that I had to let go of that to move on. I let go of it earlier than I thought. So even when I talk now, it's not. I'm not angry, you know, do I hate, like, I don't like the spousal support part of it by any means. I still don't. I don't agree with that, but I'm not angry about it. But. Yeah, I would think you'd be embarrassed, but I guess, you know, I. Yeah, he took money from me, but I guess I got to look at it like, it's money that I earned. I can make it back. It sucks that I, you know, felt like I was doing things financially. Right. And I was putting money in certain places and I was building something, and he took that. Yes. But I made it before, and it may take me longer, but I can make it again. I'm like, you had to take because you never made it. And, like, so I just kind of. Just. It's easy kind of when I put it in that context, to let it go. Yeah, you had to do that, but I made it so it's like I've. I can do it again. I just have to kind of. Yeah, I just. I believe in myself. I. I. That's why I said before, or maybe one of you said it. It's like, it took a year, you know?

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[Rachel Lindsay]

It's a financial setback for sure. It still is. I'm, like, crawling out of a hole with it, but I paid it off in a year. I. I'm still standing. I still have things. I feel better than ever. I'm. I'm working and building. Thank you. So it's like, you didn't. You didn't. You didn't take. For me, kind of, like, things. Things that mean the most, you didn't take. In certain ways, I've blossomed so much more post divorce that almost divorce has been a doorway for me for so much more. Like, it's open. Excuse me. It's opened up the door. I don't want to say he did me a favor, but it's like, yeah, he took money, but he, like, didn't take me. For me, you know what I mean? Like, it's. Yeah, like, so it. The things I have are so much more valuable than that. It sucks, but.

[Charity]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

But you really are such, like. I mean, I Know, it's, like, probably insane for me to say this, but, like, always have been an inspiration, but just, like, how you carry yourself and just find yourself, like, able to carve paths that I think for a lot of people, like, struggle with for a really long time, it's. It's just for all of us, just an inspiration. And I think that's the best way that, you know, I could. I could frame it without making something heavy like divorce, like, you know, but,

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

yeah, we appreciate you. Every time you have a barrier, you break through it and then transcend, like, to a level that's like.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

It really is so inspirational.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

And I think so many people, I, for one, cannot wait to read this book.

[Rachel Lindsay]

We're gonna have to have a book club.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Yes.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I gotta get a book. Thank you. I gotta. I. I thank you for. That's so sweet. And I. I also want.

[HGTV Announcer]

Because.

[Rachel Lindsay]

And this is again, why I wrote the first one, because going back to how the Bachelor Bachelorette portrays us, and it makes it seem like we have all the answers and we figured it out. I wanted to write a book that showed that a lot of the. Most of the times I don't, but I work through it, and that's hard and messy or whatever, and I get to another side of it, and I learned something from it. Yeah, maybe I'm still learning. That's how this divorce is. I want you to know that it. I can talk about it now. I'm two years past that. That dreadful day of the filing, and I almost. I get emotional when I think about where I was on that day. I've never felt that. I hope to never feel that again. But when I think about that and then where I sit now, that's what I want to write about. Because I. I did not think I could get through that. I really had. I was unrecognizable to myself. And then I would have to put on a face to podcast or to do an event, but I was a shell of myself for a while, and I really want to write to that. So thank you. I'm so glad that that's the way you see me now.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

No, for always.

[Rachel Lindsay]

But it took a lot of work and a community to help me get back to a better place. And I really want to speak about that. Like, yeah, I want to give the tea and, like, I want to. Certain things that maybe answer people's questions of why I might have had. Might have had. Have to put on a face or why there wasn't stuff on social media or why I said this in an interview. I want to explain that. But I also want people to understand the work and the journey and the hard days that get you to this place, but that you can get there. And that's really what the book is about. You too, can. You can get there.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

And I know it's going to be

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

so helpful for, like, Yeah, I mean, women. But like, everybody, like, I. There's, like you said, it's a lot more common than I think people know or just. Again, it's not really an open conversation. And this is just going to be helpful for so many people. So I hope so. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

I have to tell you, you're the only bachelor biography memoir that I've read. And I rented Miss Me with that at my library. I remember renting it. And I love, especially for this book. Cause I feel like there's so many things people talk about you online and you kind of let people, like, run with the narrative. And I love that you just finally take this book and be like, here's like, what happened? And if you want it, read it and buy it. And pre sale. And I'm so excited. Are you done or are you still in the process?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Right?

[Rachel Lindsay]

Oh, we are working on it. I have written it. Written quite a bit, but I'm not done by any means. It's funny. Like, I'll have these conversations and then I think of something else. Oh, wait. Something you were gonna say. Not the book. Not Miss me with. Oh, gosh.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

That people just, like, run with the narrative.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Thank you.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

You just kind of like. I feel like a lot of times I never see you clapping back or talking about what actually happened.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I'll give little, like, breadcrumbs. I used to. When I came off the Bachelor Bachelorette, I used to clap back at people all the time, by the way. Like, I'd be on. I would say stuff.

[Charity]

I'm working on it.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

She's ring.

[Rachel Lindsay]

And then I was like, I have to stop. I have to. Like, this is Rachel.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

They don't.

[Rachel Lindsay]

They don't know you. The people that know you.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

She's in the comment section.

[Rachel Lindsay]

That's it, baby. Arthur. I used to.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

I'll get.

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[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

I'll get there.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I used to. But I have to give credit to my lawyer. Shout out to Laura Wasser, because she was kind of. I wanted to fight back in the divorce with the media. Like, I kind of was like, I have a microphone. You know, I've worked in it. I know how to use the media to get the narrative out there. That I want. And she was just like, don't do it. Don't do it. And I'm so glad. I think the divorce would have gone on longer. I think that I would have become obsessed with that. I think I would have lost myself in it. It would have just been so much messier. And it was like, let people just talk. Let him talk. That's the game that he's playing. Play the long game. Let it in. And I got myself together. Remember, I said I was a shell of myself? I wasn't. So if I would have been doing that, it would have come from such a bad place. Now I've done the work, so I can write from a place of healing or, you know, because I'm. I'm still healing. I will. I'll never say that I'm. You know, I'm not fully healed right now, but I can write from such a healthier place. And I'm so glad that she gave me that advice and told me not to do that.

[Charity]

That.

[Rachel Lindsay]

And. Yeah. And so it's like, now I can say it. I can say it all at once. You know, we could be done. I could tell my story, my narrative, and get paid. That's it. Like, I never leaked anything to the media. I might have said something on my podcast, and it got picked up, but I never played that game.

[HGTV Announcer]

Anything.

[Rachel Lindsay]

No, I didn't do that.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

It was really good.

[Charity]

You.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

You held it down. But speaking of letting people talk before we leave, we obviously are so curious to know, what is your future in this franchise? What does that look like? Can you answer that?

[Rachel Lindsay]

I mean, as bachelorettes, you can always keep me near and dear. I love the Bachelorettes. You know, it's like there's such a bond there. Sometimes we, you know, we have a group chat. Sometimes we talk all the time. Sometimes we don't talk. We go months. One of these days, Trista's gonna be successful in planning that Bachelorette trip.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Truly, we could do nothing without Trista's daughter.

[Rachel Lindsay]

So great. So great. And when we all get together, there's just so much love. So, you know, my heart is with the Bachelorettes. The future of the franchise. Who knows? Did I think five years ago that I would be sitting back on Bachelor Happy Hour with two bachelorettes talking about the franchise from something we filmed that I was a part of? No. So who knows, who knows, who knows? I mean, I will be on anything anytime soon. I'm not planning on popping back on anybody's season except for what we already did as Bachelorettes, but you Know. You never know. We'll take it. Five more years.

[Charity]

You never know.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

That's not a no.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I can't now. Look, I'm here now. I thought. No, but, you know, we're not letting you go.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Yeah. Wait. I have to tell a story. One year ago, me and Rachel were at dinner. And this is for Megan's birthday.

[Rachel Lindsay]

For Megan's birthday.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

And this is when I was in my hinge era, and I was swiping on hinge, and I found Brian unhinged, and I reported him for domestic terrorism. And that man is probably still on the app to this day. I need people to know that I'm out here doing the work.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I love that level of pettiness. That is hilarious.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

You have a hinge.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

And this should.

[Chelsea Handler]

Right after.

[Rachel Lindsay]

As he should. As he should. I mean, listen, I.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

He should not.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

And you were doing the work on yourself. He's unhinged. It had to have been early. When's Megan's birthday?

[Rachel Lindsay]

Megan's birthday's in June.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Yeah.

[HGTV Announcer]

Or summer.

[Rachel Lindsay]

June 2024. I, I, I feel like they say when a woman is done, she's been done for a while.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

That's so true.

[Rachel Lindsay]

And even working on it, like, you know, it's over, but you're still just like. I, I want to say that I tried every single thing I could before it's ending, but, like, you know, you know, it's done. But I feel like I put myself out there. But I've never been on a dating app. But I was gonna say dating. He was on the apps before we got together, so it's not shocking that, you know, he was on the apps after, like, that's, that's his form of dating. So it doesn't shock me as he should. Good for him. But for me, I feel like it didn't take me as long as I thought to just go out there and have fun. Like, situations just kind of presented themselves to me.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Well, of course. I mean, look at you.

[Rachel Lindsay]

But I was a shell of myself. Like, I. It's all right about it, but the way you feel after something, like, the way you feel after something like that, it's just, you know, I. Yeah, like, yeah, like, I have another friend going through a divorce right now, and I feel like I've become her coach. She's like, well, how do you feel about this? I'm like, gosh, I gotta write this because there's so many people who have questions about the little things. But, yeah, no, I, that's so hilarious. I love that so much. But you're dating again, too, right? Yeah, I'm totally dating again. And it's, you know, for him again, I. Good luck. I mean, everybody Googles everybody, but I think people are easier on men, so I don't think. I mean, I don't think it'll be hard for him by any means.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

I think it should be.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I don't think it'll be. It maybe, but it, you know, I. Baby, he's better. Who knows? Who knows? I know my experience with him. Look at me being nice. I. I know.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

I like Rachel. If I.

[Charity]

No.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

And this is healing. This is how you look at me, being nice?

[Charity]

Maybe.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Look, I'm painful. Maybe I'm just still not over it. I'm so angry.

[Rachel Lindsay]

You know, maybe he's different. Like, that's my experience with him. I just. I would. I would hope that he's not out here raising terror. Like. Like it's not the same with me. Yeah. Like, is he like this? See, I think it's healing. That's why I couldn't have written the book last year. And last year it would have been a burn book. Like, he is the fugliest person.

[HGTV Announcer]

Yeah.

[Rachel Lindsay]

No, no, no, no. But that's. That. I love that story.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

No and truly.

[Dr. Jake Goodman]

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[Charity]

Okay, honest question. Are you someone who does your taxes the minute you can, or someone who waits until the absolute last possible second?

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Wow, calling me out already. But yes, last possible second it every year same.

[Charity]

Which is why I'm very into anything that makes tax season easier.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

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[Charity]

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[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

And you won't be left wondering what's going on because you get real time updates throughout the process. So you're always in the loop.

[Charity]

All you do is upload your documents to the app and then go live

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

your life like you can be listening to this podcast, grabbing coffee, or pretending you're being productive.

[Charity]

Meanwhile, a dedicated TurboTax expert is checking every deduction and credit to help you get the best possible outcome.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

And if a question comes up, you get unlimited expert help, even nights and weekends during tax season at no extra cost.

[Charity]

So instead of overthinking it, let a

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

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[Charity]

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[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Real time updates are available on the iOS mobile app Bachelor Nation. Brace yourself.

[HGTV Announcer]

HGTV is bringing 12 former Bachelorette and Bachelor contestants back to the iconic mansion to give it the makeover it deserves. They're swapping out their evening gowns and tuxedos for power tools and paintbrushes. And they'll be competing to renovate the mansion room by room with real design and build expertise. These Bachelor Nation alumni bring their own aesthetics, opinions and history to this competition. Exes are reunited, secrets are spilled, and old grudges remain. As teams are created, alliances are tested, and renovation is only half the battle. Hosted by Bachelor's own Jesse Palmer, this glow up could get ugly. Whose designs will come up roses and win the hearts of the judges, Tayshia Adams and Tyler Cameron. Don't miss the all new Bachelor Mansion takeover, Mondays at 8 on HGTV.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

I'm excited. Are you going to share anything in the book about how your dating life has been?

[Rachel Lindsay]

Oh, yeah, you know, it's. Ooh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Charity]

I'll probably.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I'll. I'll talk about, like, some of the dates. Cause, like, my big. One of my biggest fears about dating, and I mean, charity, you. You're not in this conversation. But this is.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Oh, she knows I am.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I. Do you fear that someone. Cause, like, I went on this one date and the guy did not know I was the Bachelorette, which is great. But it naturally is going to come out because I have to say, I'm divorced. And then it's. Then it becomes, how did you meet your ex husband? And then you have to talk about it. And so immediately when I said it, he was like, oh, that's right. Like, I remember when everybody was talking about it, then they want to ask questions about your experience. So it's like, are you getting to know me because you like me and you want my experience? You want to get to know me because that's part of my story, or are you just so curious about what it's like to be on reality tv? And that's the scariest thing about dating post Bachelorette. Are you in it for me? Are you just in it to my story? Are you curious? So you've probably had real life experience.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

I have the same exact story. I was seeing a guy and I met him through someone and he somehow didn't have social media. And I kept it from him for so long. But it got to the point that he'd be like, oh, how do you know this friend? And it would be like my friend Genevieve who was on my season. And I was like, okay, eventually I do have to tell him. And right after I told him it ended. And then you go back and forth and you're like, I don't want to lead with this because this isn't who I am. But it's such a big part of me, and it's so hard to find someone and Charity knows that I'm going through this that is supportive and can understand me because it feels like sometimes if they have not been through it.

[Charity]

Right.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

They won't get it.

[HGTV Announcer]

Understand.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Right. Right. You become now the reality TV star, and they. They've probably have had all these preconceived notions about or assumptions about what a reality TV star is, and so they start to look at you through a different lens. It's almost good to just get it out.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Yeah.

[Rachel Lindsay]

At the beginning. But I. It's. That's the scariest part about it.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

You don't want to lead with it because then also, what kind of a person are you if you're like, oh, yeah, you want to, like, be with me because of that?

[Rachel Lindsay]

Or you get the. You look familiar.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Oh, I hate.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

No, that is.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Where do I know you from?

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Yes. I'm like, you tell me.

[Rachel Lindsay]

And then you're like, where do you know me from? You try to say everything, but you're like. I'm like, I just have one of those faces and they're like, no, no, no.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

I saw you on espn. You're like, oh, yeah, I was there.

[Rachel Lindsay]

They keep pressing, right. Just give it up. Like, oh, well, I have a podcast. No, no. And then I'll try to say, like, oh, are you from. That's not it.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Not Texas. I don't know if I told that, but he saw you on billboards. Most likely.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I get. It's like, oh. And then they're like, that's it. When you finally have to say it, and that's like, here we go. Here we go. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Are you with someone now or are you still, like, dating around?

[Rachel Lindsay]

No, I'm dating someone.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

You're dating someone?

[Nature's Sunshine Sponsor]

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[Rachel Lindsay]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Oh, I love this.

[Nature's Sunshine Sponsor]

I know.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

I know you won't share more, but we are. Are obviously so happy and so excited for you. This is such, like, a new chapter for you. And no one is, like, more supportive than me and Charity. We're just happy.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

No, I'm like, this book club will be.

[Rachel Lindsay]

And we will be pre order book club.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

No, I want.

[Charity]

I need.

[Dietz Watson Sponsor]

Did you just hear?

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Rachel wants to do a book club with us?

[Rachel Lindsay]

Should we do, like a.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Yes.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Bachelorette reading time where it's just.

[Charity]

Yes.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

I'm already saying. I'm putting it in the group chat. Where's my phone?

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

No, actually, no.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Everyone hit it. Pre order as soon as this goes on sale.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Yeah, I gotta finish this. That's. I. Yeah, I might. I feel inspired to go.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

We'll make it happen. Don't you worry.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Thanks.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Guys will be leaders of this.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

You have no idea what's about to happen.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I know people are like, didn't you sign? But you have an NDA in your settlement. On purpose.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

No, on purpose.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

I know. That's right.

[Rachel Lindsay]

On purpose.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

That was. That's a smart thing, that he can

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

take your money, not your voice.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Not my story.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Yeah.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Not my story. That's, like, a thing. It's. It's temporary, Right? Money goes, especially in la. Good luck.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

And he's still here in la. Yeah.

[Rachel Lindsay]

That's crazy.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Oh, my God.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

I cannot. I cannot. Still wrapping my head. I know, but we, like, we could not be more happy that you decided to come back on this, the podcast you started. We're literally not going to leave that out, but it's crazy.

[Rachel Lindsay]

It's your podcast here. And, like, it's so. I'm so excited for you guys. I said this at the beginning, but this is how it started for me seven years ago, Bachelor happy hour. I really feel like I curated my voice, my opinions. Everybody who works here is so supportive. You know, like, you learn to say things that. Because, like, let's just dispel this myth. Everyone's like, oh, it's corporate. You're saying what you're supposed to say. No, you're not. You might have to interview somebody you don't want to. Want to, but these are your opinions. And I'm, like, just so excited to see where this takes you. It really does like it. I never could have imagined starting here would lead me to do so many other things. But, yeah, you guys are gonna be great.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

No, literally, me and Charity weren't even born into Bachelor Nation yet, and hopefully we can carry your legacy a little more. You already. You have just done so much for this, and hopefully you can give us. I'm gonna call you. We have to start interviewing the men because I want to have a interview. Yeah, okay.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Okay. I'm gonna take something back. So I am watching this season, and I, you know, I'm on the Ringer Network, and they have a bachelor podcast, so. Well, this is news, you guys. This is. I'll give you this breaking news. I'm totally going to. To recap with them on the show, which means this is the best news I've heard all day, which Means I'll be watching and I'll be up to date. So I would come back on your show and talk about the season because I'll be watching.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

I'm really about to ask you to

[Rachel Lindsay]

come back and do a recap.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Do you guys hear this? This is on camera.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I can't back now. I. For this season. For this season, because I'm already doing it. It's like, why. How. Why would I not come back and, like, do a. A show with you guys, Please. Because I'll be watching. Because now I've seen the man. I'm mad I didn't look at it.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

You.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I need to be in person. Oh, yeah, you need to come in person.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Don't worry.

[HGTV Announcer]

Yes.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Or for, like, mental.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Yeah, I'm not going to the recording. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna go. I'm not gonna go.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

I'm pushing. I'm pushing my boundaries. I said, she's coming.

[Charity]

Rachel.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Rachel said, please.

[Rachel Lindsay]

So I'm not gonna go do that.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

She gives us an inch.

[Rachel Lindsay]

We're like.

[Charity]

And then.

[Rachel Lindsay]

But I will record with you guys. I'll already recap.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

You've had some iconic interviews with men of the Bachelorette, and I feel like we have so much to look up to in that way. Like, your interview with Jed is obviously iconic.

[Rachel Lindsay]

That was one of the first. If. Was it? It was. I think it was the first.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Was it?

[Rachel Lindsay]

If it wasn't. It was right? It was like, top. It was like, one of the first three.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

And talking about this before you came in, that he came happy. So happy, and you ripped him apart.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I was like, so let's begin. Because I just knew no one else was gonna go. Like, I had so many questions, and I think that that was like, if I'm gonna. If I would give any advice, it's like, say the things that people are too afraid to say. Ask the questions that people are too afraid to ask or they can't ask. And that was me. I was like, I have so many questions. Shed, like, and I don't know you. Like, I'm not rooting for you. Like, I'm team Bachelorette, so, like, you had to that, like, I am here to support Hannah in all things. So, yeah, like, I say bring that energy in. I mean, like, you're nice, too. Because I was like that with Brendan because, like, Natasha's. Is that a thing?

[Charity]

Got it. Yes.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Natasha's my girl paradise. So I was like, okay, here we go. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He had not Been on. I was not recording then when he was on, I was so bothered by him. When he was on Paradise, I don't think I was doing. I can't remember. I can't remember because that was Joe.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Joe. Was Joe on? Yeah, Joe was on Paradise.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Yeah.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I can't remember. What year was that? I think. I think it was after. I feel like I wasn't podcasting for Bachelor Happy Hour, but whatever. I couldn't have been because I was so upset. I went on. I went on Bachelor. What is the bringer one called? Bachelor Party. I went on Bachelor Party to give my opinions. So I.

[Charity]

So.

[Rachel Lindsay]

But I did. I wasn't nice to Noah when he came on. I wasn't nice to. I wasn't nice to Brendan. I feel like when he came on, I wasn't. But, you know, Noah came in. I start off from a villain, though. Yeah, he's totally different.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

We remember that. But we love Noah now.

[Rachel Lindsay]

So I was totally nice. And then.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

So be nice, but, like, ask them the hard question. But stick.

[Charity]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Don't be afraid. Okay.

[Charity]

Good to know.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

I can't wait to see. Because we've.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

It's kind of been easy because we've had people on who I feel like we've had a little bit of a

[HGTV Announcer]

relationship with and we're able to, like,

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

talk, but when we gotta.

[Rachel Lindsay]

You gotta separate it.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

The hard question, I actually think that

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

might be easier is, like, when you don't, like. I mean, it is easier just from, like, for banter purposes, for people, you know, but, like, interviewing. It's like, I kind of. What Rachel said is like, I don't know you.

[Charity]

I don't.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Like, there's no loyalty here. It's like, I don't have to sit here and tiptoe around what's appropriate to ask.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Don't get over it. Like, I would say things and, like, I don't think Pilot Pete likes me, but I. You know, like, you would say. I'd say things and, you know, and then I'd see them and I'd be like, hey, what's up?

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Did anyone ever say you said this about me?

[Rachel Lindsay]

Yeah. And I'd be like, hey, what's up?

[Charity]

What's up?

[Rachel Lindsay]

What's your problem? Like, I'd. You know, I'd just be still nice. Like, I have a job to do.

[Charity]

Whatever.

[HGTV Announcer]

It's fine.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Like, it's. You know, I'm doing a job. But I was gonna say something about the sticking the knife in. Not sticking the knife in, but. Oh, I forgot. I was gonna Give you advice about something? About. Not about people not liking you. Oh, I can't remember.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Was she confronting us in person about what we said?

[Rachel Lindsay]

Not that it was something along the lines I was gonna say. Oh, oh, oh, yes. Came to me. Ah, thank you, Vyvanse. So I, you know, I, I, I recently. In the book, I, I've been recently diagnosed with adhd. Explains a lot. So. And I'm. I'm testing out doses, and every time I'm like, it's too low. It's. Nothing's happening. It's too late. I have to go through it. Like, I have to keep having the appointments with the psychiatrist because he's like, it's supposed. It's not working. I. Lisa G. Shout out to Lisa G. She's in. Was in the Telepictures family. She's a trailblazer. She's a legend. She told me when I worked at Extra, and this is what I'll tell you. She said two things should always come out of your interviews. You either need to break make news, Right? Like, break some news, which you guys did. I just said that I was gonna be on Bachelor Party recapping. And two, she said, make a moment. Like, create a moment. Cause it's very hard to break news. It's very hard to get somebody to tell you something exclusively. So make a moment. That moment might be in your question. That moment might be in your reaction to something. That moment might be something you reveal within the interview. But that I will give you what she gave me. She's a legend for a reason. And I took that into every interview. So make a moment. Moment or make news.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

And you do. It may be in reporting somebody for domestic terrorism.

[Rachel Lindsay]

That is such a. I literally, I

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

came to dinner, I was like, rachel, I have to tell you something. She didn't even know I did it. It was like, probably a couple weeks before, so.

[Charity]

Great.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I forgot.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

I was like, I have to tell you something. I forgot. She's like, what?

[Rachel Lindsay]

I didn't know you could do that.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Well, I reported him, and I wrote it in a little note.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

You can report anything these days. With pleasure.

[Rachel Lindsay]

You're already doing it. You're already, already doing it. So, you know, say you. Every, Every episode will be great if you can do one of those or both.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Well, we have so much to learn, but hopefully we can.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

We have a whole season and year.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Ahead of us.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Yes, Absolutely.

[Chelsea Handler]

Onward.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Thank you guys so much. Rachel, I need. I'm like, I can't. I'm counting down the days for you to come back.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Like Truly and the book, we gotta make. Gotta make it a good one. I'm staying still for March, so. So, you know, fingers crossed.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Now you tell us. Oh, wait, side note. We want to do an episode in Carrie's apartment because I know you got his very first interview ever. Because Rachel is his favorite, we let it be known. Would you come if we didn't interview in Carrie's apartment?

[Rachel Lindsay]

Just to say no? You know, can we just talk about dresses? I have a key to Carrie's apartment. Maybe I just might.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Or you can be in the kitchen and we can look at you randomly. Come through.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Maybe I'll get you bachelor happy hour at Carrie's. Like the true bachelor Happy Hour.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

That will be happy hour.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

A little mixology going on. Have us a little moment.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I'd be down for that.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Okay.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I'd be down.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Okay.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Too legendary to not do tonight.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

And you did the first one. He said he would never be on a podcast, and you got him. So we need you there for the same circle.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I. I can't say no to my career.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Yes. Oh, my gosh. I don't even want this to end. I feel like we can't thank you enough. You are just such a legend. I think beyond what you know, every Bachelorette has so much to learn from you. But even just what you've done after, I think, yeah, we just can't hype you up enough. You are so incredible, guys. I know the viewers think the same. Thank you so much for being here.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Thank you.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Thank you, guys. It's so sweet.

[Rachel Lindsay]

I have such a hard time taking a compliment, so I'm just gonna say thank you. I'm not gonna be self deprecating, because that's like, my natural thing to say, but thank you. Thank you.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

You deserve it all, and you've paved the way for so many of us. Just legendary, truly. And. And it will live on. It will. And I hope you know that.

[Rachel Lindsay]

Thank you, guys.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Yes.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Well, we hope everyone enjoyed this as much as we did, and we can't wait to have Rachel back. So thank you again.

[Charity]

Yes.

[Host 1 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

Yay.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

And thank you to all of our listeners. Be sure to subscribe. We have more exclusive interviews coming your way for this upcoming season of the Bachelorette. But until next time.

[Charity]

Time.

[Host 2 (Bachelor Happy Hour)]

We'll see you guys soon. Bye.

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[Rachel Lindsay]

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[Rachel Lindsay]

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