Self-Care, Redefined | Golden Hour

Summary

Bachelor Happy Hour: “Self-Care, Redefined | Golden Hour”

Podcast: Bachelor Happy Hour
Hosts: Susan and Kathy
Release Date: December 18, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this “Golden Hour” edition of Bachelor Happy Hour, co-hosts Susan and Kathy dive deep into the evolving definition of self-care as they age. With candid, energetic banter and decades of friendship, they reflect on the importance of self-care in their golden years, how it differs from their younger days, and discuss everything from skincare routines and the pressures of aging to the role of beauty treatments, exercise, and fashion. This episode is a must-listen for anyone navigating self-care beyond the basics and wanting a real, relatable perspective—especially women over 50.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. What Does Self-Care Mean Now?

[04:44 – 06:50]

• Susan: Self-care is taking the time to treat her body well—facials, pedicures, even simply washing her face at night.
• Kathy: Broader definition: “Doing things for myself without feeling guilt, without the feeling that I should be doing something for someone else.” She acknowledges that, with age, self-care must be an intentional choice rather than something fit in last-minute.

Notable Quote:

“Self-care for me is taking an hour out to sit down and read a book or... needlepoint. I know I need to run an errand, but you know what, I’m gonna sit down and needlepoint for an hour.” – Kathy [08:01]

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2. Self-Care: Younger Days vs. Golden Years

[06:50 – 10:10]

• Susan: Needed less self-care when younger; now it’s more complex (red light therapy, moisturizing, more beauty routines).
• Both: Recall that when raising families, self-care was relegated to the very end of the day, if it happened at all. Now, with grown children and more flexible time, they can prioritize themselves.

Notable Quote:

“When I had kids at home, I was the last person on the totem pole. My kids came first, then was my husband… doing something just for me wasn’t a thing.” – Kathy [09:21]

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3. Common Self-Care Neglect in Golden Years

[10:10 – 11:38], [17:22 – 17:57]

• Physical Health: Many Goldens neglect physical fitness or make excuses for not working out.
• Small Acts: Even things like taking off makeup before bed or using basic skincare fall by the wayside due to fatigue or busy schedules.

Notable Moment:
Kathy prioritizes her gym workout despite a hectic day:

“I drove the half hour to the gym, I worked out for an hour… That is self-care… Something else will have to go. I’m not going to cook today.” – Kathy [11:15]

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4. The Evolution and Realities of Skincare

[17:57 – 23:59]

• Sunscreen is Crucial: Both hosts reiterate sunscreen is the biggest anti-aging weapon.
• Routine: Cleansing, exfoliating, and moisturizing come up as ways they try to take care, with Kathy joking, "If you aren’t using sunscreen, go back to start…"
• Real Talk: They admit sometimes they’re too tired for the full routine, with Susan setting up her nightstand to apply creams in bed for maximum convenience.

Notable Quote:

“You’re not going to escape [aging]. None of us are… accept it and take it with grace… But you can delay the negative effects.” – Kathy [21:49]

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5. Exercise & Physical Changes with Age

[24:01 – 27:09]

• Body Changes: Both hosts humorously describe “shar pei” backs and wish for mythical full-body skin-tightening devices.
• Exercise: Kathy, once 200 lbs, is now passionate about weights and fitness; Susan notes everyone loses muscle and strength with age, making fitness even more vital.

Notable Quote:

“We lose muscle mass as we get older. Lifting weights just slows down the process. But you lose—the older you get, the faster you lose strength.” – Kathy [26:22]

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6. Cosmetic Procedures: Trends, Opinions, and Transparency

[32:32 – 38:53]

• Popular Procedures: Facelifts, eyelids, laser treatments, microneedling, Botox, fillers.
• Personal Stories: Kathy got Botox at 52—her daughter judged her, but now does it too. Both have had lower facelifts.
• Philosophy: Procedures are a personal choice; never do them for a man or anyone else. Confidence and happiness should be the goal.

Notable Quotes:

“Do whatever cosmetic procedure you want that will make you feel better. I don’t think the age matters. I think you gotta remember...it’s not going to change your personality or find you a husband.” – Kathy [37:40]
“When you’re ready, when you feel like it’s something you want for yourself.” – Kathy, on when to do cosmetic procedures [36:29]

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7. Fashion as Self-Care

[39:00 – 44:14]

• Fashion Evolution: Susan is trend-driven; Kathy is more classic (plaids, preppy New England style). Fashion is now about dressing for oneself, not what’s “in.”
• Guilt and Priorities: Many women, Kathy included, feel guilty buying clothes for themselves, preferring to shop for grandkids or children—but Susan insists: “You worked all your damn life! Spend a little on yourself.”

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8. Shoe “Disasters” and Closet Cleanouts

[44:14 – 45:41]

• Honest (and hilarious) gripes about comfortable but hideous shoes worn for practicality in later years.
• The cycle of accumulating too many shoes, then (sometimes) managing to organize or donate pairs.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On redefining self-care:
  “Self-care for me is... doing things for myself without feeling guilt.” – Kathy [05:36]
• On sunscreen:
  “If you aren’t using sunscreen, go back to start. Do not collect $200. Go to jail. You have got to use sunscreen!” – Kathy [18:26]
• On cosmetic procedures:
  “It’s news flash—even at Golden’s or anyone else, if you get a facelift, you still have to do Botox. It’s not a complete fix.” – Kathy [34:42]
• On style freedom:
  “Why not dress to be not just in style, but for you? What do you feel good in? I don’t care if they don’t wear those anymore. I like them. I’m rocking them.” – Susan [39:01]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |------------|---------------------------------------------------------------| | 04:44–06:50| Defining self-care for golden years | | 06:50–10:10| Self-care as young moms compared to now | | 10:10–11:38| Physical self-care most neglected (exercise, health) | | 17:22–17:57| Beauty neglect: not taking off makeup, real talk | | 17:57–23:59| Skincare musts: sunscreen, routines, aging truths | | 24:01–27:09| Physical changes and exercise challenges with age | | 32:32–38:53| Cosmetic procedures: what’s popular, opinions, PSA | | 39:00–44:14| Fashion in later years: trends, guilt, style for self | | 44:14–45:41| Shoes, closet purges, and shoe obsessions |

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Conclusion

In this frank, humorous, and insightful episode, Susan and Kathy redefine self-care for women in their golden years—championing everything from massages and red light masks to weight-training, facials, Botox (or not), late-night skincare shortcuts, and unapologetic shopping for self. The takeaway: Self-care is a deeply personal act, shaped by age, experience, and priorities—with no guilt required.

“We could do a whole month of self-care episodes.” – Kathy [44:35]

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Want more?
Listeners are invited to write in with questions and suggestions for future topics at bachelornation.com/goldenhour or via Bachelor Happy Hour’s social channels.

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This summary covers all key points and quotes—the good, the real, and the glam—from the December 18, 2025, episode of Bachelor Happy Hour’s Golden Hour.

Transcript

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[Susan]

Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hours golden hour. We're back. Thanks so much for joining us. We are so excited to be back. Kathy, how are you today?

[Kathy]

The truth be known, I am freezing in Austin, Texas. Sunny Texas. It's 41 degrees and raining. But I'm great. I've gotten so much done today. Got up at 5:30. I'm feeling like totally energetic.

[Susan]

So that's because you went to bed really early. I remember calling you last night. Well, I did.

[Kathy]

I did go to bed early. But you know what, here's the deal. You it doesn't matter what time I go to bed. I wake up three hours later, go back to sleep, wake up three hours later. Do you remember the days, Susan?

[Susan]

Do you remember being a golden do.

[Kathy]

You remember the days when you could sleep through the night? We're gonna, you know this, you know this is a good segue because today we're Going to get into all things self care. Okay, so before we get started, Susan, you got to tell me, what does self care mean to you? Because that's what this episode is all about.

[Susan]

Self care to me is taking the time to treat my body the way it should be treated. Whether it's giving myself a facial, going to have a pedicure, like take time out to take care of me. Washing my face before I go to sleep at night is really the hardest thing I've ever done. Yeah, I have to.

[Kathy]

Well, you know what? I wash my face before I. I.

[Susan]

Watch TV or it's not going to happen because I'll fall asleep on the couch.

[Kathy]

I would. We're going to get into the specifics of what we do, but for me, the 20,000 view of self care is doing things for myself without feeling guilt, without the feeling that I should be doing something for someone else. That's the 20,000 view for me because.

[Susan]

I'm sorry, why would you feel guilty about doing something for yourself?

[Kathy]

Well, let's just say when you have grandchildren or you have errands to run. Sometimes, Susan, for me it comes down to am I going to put a mask on or am I going to, you know, get something ready for dinner or plan for the next day? In other words, sometimes it's an either or. And for me, self care is doing the or for me and not saying I should be doing something else. But let's dive in. Let's dive into this whole topic and we'll see what comes out of this. First off, how does self care change from when you are younger to when you're in your golden years? How is your self care different now?

[Susan]

Right off the bat, Alphabet. I didn't need so much self care back then. Oh, wait, now I gotta do the red light. I gotta do the this. I gotta do the this. I gotta moisturize more. I have to. It's way different.

[Kathy]

So you. So that's interesting in, in your definition of self care. It sounds like, or what you just said, that it has to do with beauty, facial care, skin care. And for me, self care is such a bigger topic for me.

[Susan]

Let me finish.

[Kathy]

Wait, let. But finish. Okay.

[Susan]

The other things that are really important now when I'm golden is having time to just sit and, and just. Whether you meditate or it's a hot bubble bath and just have quiet time.

[Kathy]

Right?

[Susan]

Because I have so many things going on at one time, it's critical for me because a lot of times I neglect that part and I'll do It when I'm on an airplane or I'll do it when you know that is really, really important that you take time for yourself whether you're doing absolutely nothing right.

[Kathy]

So I jumped on that because you were talking about washing your face and putting, doing a red light. And for me, self care can, it's all those things. It's also getting massages. I get a massage regularly. You know, I get a facial once a month. But in general for me, self care for me is taking an hour out to sit down and read a book or you know, I love to needlepoint. There's things I know I need to run an errand, I need to get over to the bank and do this or that. I know I said I'd pick up something for my daughter or my son, but you know what, I'm gonna sit down and needlepoint for an hour.

[Susan]

That's your relaxing, that's your enjoyment.

[Kathy]

It's self care. It's a time for me to just do something for myself. And I think when we. I know you and I each have three children, they're grown and we both have grandchildren. But to answer that question, when I was younger, I don't even. I mean if I got self care, if I took any time for self care, it was at 10 o' clock at night after the dishes were done, the lunches were packed, the laundry was put away. I mean, I maybe snuck 30 minutes to read a book or I couldn't. I mean, this is what I'm saying.

[Susan]

I would pass out.

[Kathy]

Well, you know, I do have a lot of energy. Where, where in your golden years? I think it's. We have the luxury of time. Even though you and I work part time, even though we take care of our grandchildren, sometimes we help out our kids. We do lots of things that. It's just we're able, I think at least I am to build time into my day for. To do things just for me. When and when I had kids at home, I was the last person on the totem pole. My kids came first. Then was my husband, what he needed.

[Susan]

Clean laundry, clean the house well.

[Kathy]

And just spending time with him, which is self care for the relationship. But it wasn't doing something just for me.

[Susan]

Yeah, something I need to do more of. All right, the next one says what's something you think a lot of goldens neglect to take off. Wow, didn't I just take off to take care of?

[Kathy]

To take care of for me, my experience has been lots of goldens don't take care of their Physical. Their bodies, they just don't take care. They're too busy. You know, I don't know what they're doing because to me that's another form of self care for me. You know. Today I have a day from hell. I am. My, my son in law and my daughter are both out of town. They have a babysitter staying with their daughter but they want me to go over and check on her. So I've been rushing like a mad woman all day to get stuff done so that I can get over there this evening and make sure everything is okay. But you know what else I did.

[Susan]

A phone call won't do. She wants you to do it in person.

[Kathy]

Oh yeah, because that's. This is the first time when she's only two and this is the first time when both her parents are gone out of town. So I'm gonna go over there and read her stories and you know Kiki's gonna come to the rescue. But you know what else I made time for? I drove the half hour to the gym. I worked out for an hour. I came drove a half hour home. Like that is self care. I'm making time for the gym. Something else will have to go.

[Susan]

By the way you always keep up with.

[Kathy]

Wait, Susan. Don't you want to know what I'm not going to do today to make time for the gym?

[Susan]

What you're not going to do what.

[Kathy]

I'm not going to do today?

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[Kathy]

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[Susan]

Cook? You never cook. That doesn't count. That absolutely doesn't count.

[Kathy]

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[Susan]

No, I'm seriously, I'm still eating leftovers.

[Kathy]

Wait, I. I read in the or heard it on the Internet or something. Today was the last day. So eat up from Thanksgiving. Get rid of that stuff. It's over.

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[Kathy]

What do you think? The Golden Snaglect. What's one thing you think they neglect.

[Susan]

To take off their makeup at night?

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[Kathy]

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[Susan]

You get too tired. That's one of my pet peeves. Wait.

[Kathy]

Do you go to bed without taking off your makeup?

[Susan]

I have. Many times, yes. It's terrible. And I see it in the morning. There's such a difference. But to take time, I gotta do it. Like, especially if I'm just at home and I had something to do during the day, so I had to put a face on. If I have nothing to do, there's never makeup on my face ever.

[Kathy]

Okay, well, this is crazy because this goes right into the next question, which is skin care is all the buzz right now. What's the key to taking care of your skin? That Everyone should know about. And what's the truth behind anti aging? So go for the first one. First what?

[Susan]

Very first one. Something that I just adopted in my adult, adult, adult life. What is sunscreen?

[Kathy]

Oh, thank God you said that.

[Susan]

Big time. Sunscreen.

[Kathy]

That is.

[Susan]

I was.

[Kathy]

That is. If you aren't using sunscreen, go back to start. Do not collect 200. Go to jail. You know, you have got to use sunscreen. The other thing is not moisturizer.

[Susan]

Well, that's not only sunscreen, but cleansing is so important. And exfoliating look at least once or twice a week. Well, these are the things I try to rush in my schedule. And half the time I'm so tired. That's why I like that bubble bath night, Kathy. I have products around the tub. I got music playing. It's my time.

[Kathy]

I was talking to sue. But fess up, girlfriend. I was talking to you on the phone the other night, and I cracked up laughing because Susan and I are chit chatting on the phone and she's got all this stuff laid out. Remember to give yourself facial. Then she said, I'm too tired. I can't do any of this.

[Susan]

I'm not doing it. Okay, you can't. If I already have moisturizer or anything on my skin, like I use the retinol at night products, then you can't use the red mask. The red mask. You schooled me on this. I wish I didn't know because I was doing fine.

[Kathy]

Okay, so I'm going to get up.

[Susan]

Wash my face in order to do the red mask.

[Kathy]

So can I just tell you? You're right. I did school. You cannot have any products on your face when you're doing the red mask. And you know what? I do? I swear, because I do it for some reason. Doing that red mask sort of makes me very sleepy. So it calms you down? It calms me down. So what I do is. You're gonna laugh, Susan. I leave on all the lights. I go around and turn on all the lights up to get up. So I have to get up. And so then I brush my teeth, I put on the moisturizer, the eye cream, all of those things.

[Susan]

That's how I bring. I bring the eye cream, the night cream, and I put it on my nightstand so I don't have to get out of bed. And I tell Ziggy to tuck the light.

[Kathy]

Oh, that is so funny. I mean, I don't know. I feel like. I do think the. The we should. By the way, who's ever listening? We want Free new red. We want new eye masks there. But I honestly, I think a lot about. I spend a lot more time on my face moisturizing. I, you know, eye cream, doing masks, scrubs, doing.

[Susan]

And she gets a facial once a month.

[Kathy]

I'm not so lucky.

[Susan]

I'm not so fortunate.

[Kathy]

I do.

[Susan]

But wait, you know what else I noticed?

[Kathy]

Kathy, Tell me.

[Susan]

I have the driest feet. I get a pedicure every four weeks.

[Kathy]

Oh, wait a minute. She gets a pedicure every four weeks.

[Susan]

I have to. But I use a foot cream. And if I noticed, like now in the winter, they're not as bad because you have a sock on. But if I'm barefoot. Never barefoot. But flip flops or sandals, the skin is so dry. That's something that happens with age.

[Kathy]

My cuticles are dry, all of that stuff. But here's, here's. Here's the truth. I think about anti aging or, you know, aging, whatever. Aging. You're. You're not going to escape it. None of us are going to escape aging. However, there's two things that I think are really important. The truth for me about anti aging is you're going to age. So accept it and take it with grace. But also.

[Susan]

That's the truth.

[Kathy]

That is the truth. But, but you. If you take care of your body, if you do the things for your face, if you, you know, get pedicures and facials and massages and you do those things. I really feel. And stay out of the sun and use sunscreen. I really feel like. And get lots of exercise. We can delay the effects. The negative effects of aging. Do you think so or not?

[Susan]

Well, when you take care of yourself. Yeah. Some people age very differently, though. I also believe it has a lot to do with genetics. You know, I know people that have totally taken care of themselves, and I look at them like they're some, Some people just have more wrinkles than other people. I have more wrinkles than you, but I was a sun goddess.

[Kathy]

But wait, I want to repeat that. I didn't hear that. Could you repeat that, please?

[Susan]

No, I will not.

[Kathy]

Susan was a sun goddess. Yes, she was. And that's why we're friends. She does.

[Susan]

That will never end. I don't bake in it anymore. I use sunscreen. Definitely. I've been taught to reapply. That was the other thing, because I've used sunscreen for a long time, but never reapplied.

[Kathy]

Yeah, sunscreen.

[Susan]

I live outside. I'm cutting the lawn. I'm cleaning the pool. I'm entertaining on the deck, I have a convertible. I'm playing golf, Susan.

[Kathy]

I do all of those things. One of the big differences, because.

[Susan]

Did you ever see Kathy go to play golf?

[Kathy]

I wear a big floppy hat.

[Susan]

Can't with this hat.

[Kathy]

Well, you know what? I. I, unlike you, have had lots of skin cancers from damage, and I haven't sat in the sun since I was 28, so I just drew the short card on that one. But no, you have.

[Susan]

You sit with me on the beach.

[Kathy]

And we travel and I wear. I. I'm the girl that wears 50 sunscreen and puts it on every hour and a big floppy hat on my head. I mean, I come home with the most sun I had was when I did paradise in Costa Rica.

[Susan]

I've never seen.

[Kathy]

Well, I use tons of sunscreen. But, you know, when you're in the sun every day. All.

[Susan]

Every day. That's my point. But you can't help but get tan.

[Kathy]

Yeah, well, you're not in the sun.

[Susan]

And in a good way, because you're using sunscreen.

[Kathy]

All right, so, Susan, how does.

[Susan]

How does.

[Kathy]

How does your body change as you age? And how can you care for it? Tell me, how's your body called the plastic surgeon?

[Susan]

Because that changes quick. Man. I told you about my back. I was looking in the mirror. I tried on this dress, and it had a low back. I said, oh, my God, when did that happen? I have a shar pei. You know, the skin on the sharp cat. I remember telling you this story. I was like, when did this happen? Have I been exposing this all this time?

[Kathy]

So here's what I think.

[Susan]

I want to be put on a strange stretcher and stand really, really tall so it.

[Kathy]

Oh, you heard what I've said. My thing is, I want. You know, we can send men to the moon. I want somebody to invent something where they can start pulling my skin from my ankles, pull it all the way up over my stomach, over my boobs, over my neck and. And over my head and, like, tighten a knot and clip it. Just.

[Susan]

And she's in shape, okay? She is in good physical shape. She's strong, she lifts weight. She does everything right. Me, her little bestie here. Quite the opposite.

[Kathy]

Well, here's the thing.

[Susan]

Even though you do all those things, we still have skin that sags now, okay?

[Kathy]

So just. And here's. Here's the deal. As most people know, or if you don't, you're about to find out, when I was younger, I weighed just about 200 pounds, which is why I'm so neurotic about training and fitness now. But here's the thing. But my body has changed more than yours because all that elasticity, that's something that is very difficult. Yes, it's partly genetics, but elasticity gives way as we get older. And so I, that's back to the time the knot above my head with all the loose skin, you know, it's age and I feel like.

[Susan]

But you don't have stretch marks. So when you carried children. I know, even my own family, my, both my sisters, when they carry children and their belly gets real big after it goes down, they have a ton of stretch marks.

[Kathy]

I don't know, I never got stretch marks.

[Susan]

I don't have them either.

[Kathy]

Yeah, well, I think, you know, I don't know. I, I think. Is that genetic? I don't know. I think it made them.

[Susan]

That gene I didn't get. Thank you very much.

[Kathy]

Well, I didn't get the gene for stretch marks, but I'm telling you. And the other thing I notice is when I like, I, you know, I hurt my back recently and my shoulder and I've just.

[Susan]

She's lifting too hard.

[Kathy]

Yeah, I was, I actually was doing the Christmas tree, bringing that in that did my shoulder, my back in. But anyway, I'm fine now and today was my first day back in the gym. And can I tell you, here's another way we change as we get older, weaker. Well, it takes more. We lose muscle mass as we get older. So lifting weights just slows down the process. But here's the thing, you lose. The older you get, the faster you lose strength. So today when I was lifting weights, it was hard for me doing the middle weight that I normally do like a piece of cake. So, you know, it's just.

[Susan]

How long did you take off?

[Kathy]

I haven't been in the gym for three weeks between my back.

[Susan]

That's part of the reason why it was more difficult.

[Kathy]

No, that's the whole reason it was so difficult. And you know, he said, the good news is that because I'm fit, it'll all bounce back quickly. But I don't know.

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[Susan]

What are the cosmetic procedures most popular to Goldens? And which do you ever actually recommend?

[Kathy]

Okay, first of all, before I answer that question, can I just say, how.

[Susan]

Much time do we.

[Kathy]

I know, really, can we do just an episode on this? First of all, my daughter gave me such a hard time the first time I got Botox when I was. I think I was 50, 52. Mom just aged gracefully. Can I tell you, my daughter's 30s and she's been doing Botox for several years. Here's what I notice about young Ones they do Botox and fillers and lip lip flips and, and, and, and facelifts and butt lifts and. I mean, how much time?

[Susan]

Because it's out in society. It's popular.

[Kathy]

They do it much.

[Susan]

However, I want to agree with younger people doing the 11s, you know, right here, the 11s.

[Kathy]

Because for the Susan, you can't see. She's talking about the little lines between your eyes on your forehead. But go ahead.

[Susan]

Yeah. From, you know, the frown or squinting or. Oh, God, I just saw mine in the computer. It's probably due.

[Kathy]

I don't know. You and I made. Have made no bones about it. We both had lower, gentle, lower facelifts.

[Susan]

Kathy, wait, what do you think the Goldens, what are the most popular that you think that Goldens are doing? What's the first thing I think comes to mind?

[Kathy]

Facelift.

[Susan]

I think that takes more. I think they do the eyes first, their eyelids. Facelift is a bigger thing now. The lifestyle lift like you and I did.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Susan]

Not everybody even knows that there's such a thing.

[Kathy]

I think a lot of laser treatments. Yeah, you're right. You're right. I think laser treatments, Goldens are, you know, they do laser treatments, they do micro needling. Micro needling. All those things that I can't spell, you know, CO2 lasers and, and lots of fillers and Botox. So I think they start. People start with that. But you know, what are you addicted to it?

[Susan]

You spend a ton of money doing all those. Save your money and get the face done.

[Kathy]

It's news flash, even at Golden's or anyone else, if you get a facelift, you still have to do Botox. It's not a complete fix.

[Susan]

Oh, God, yes. Although, can I just say. Let's take a moment.

[Kathy]

Okay.

[Susan]

I wish I had the money, but. Chris Jenner's surgeon, that woman looks 19 now. She was off of the society there for a good six months, I think, to heal. What did they do, like redo her bones? I don't. She looks so amazing to me. You know, I love her, right?

[Kathy]

Yeah, I think she looks great. I, I mean, I would do.

[Susan]

It didn't sound very convincing that she looks great.

[Kathy]

Well, honestly, I think she looks great. But here's. You and I are a little different. I don't want to look like I'm 19. I want to, I do. Well, that's where we're different. I want to be fit. I want to look rested. You know, I like looking younger than I am, but I don't need to look like nor Do I Want to look 40? I like my face. I don't want my face to be a whole different. I think Kris Jenner looks. But, you know. Yes, I do. I think she does look different. I think.

[Susan]

And I think, I think that's a full facelift though. You're saying? Because anybody that I know that had a full lift does look a little different.

[Kathy]

Yeah. Well, and some other people. We're not going to name names, but some of our golden friends have had. And we remember, we saw a picture of one of them and she didn't even look like. She doesn't now. She doesn't look like anything like she looked like when she was 40. It's crazy.

[Susan]

I don't know, but I think Kris does. I just, I don't know.

[Kathy]

You're just. You just love Kris Jenner.

[Susan]

How. How old do you think you should be before going under the knife?

[Kathy]

I think that's a very personal decision. I think people have to do what makes them feel good. You know, all the procedures. What do I recommend? What age should you be? The answer is the same. When you're ready, when you're ready, when you feel like it's something you want for yourself. But here's my caveat. I hope no one out there does a facelift or any cosmetic procedure to please a man. If you're do it because you want to feel better about who you are or you think it will make you feel more confident, self assured, looking in the mirror and saying, you know what? Mirror, mirror on the wall. I really am the fairest of them.

[Susan]

All because it's about you. You're not happy with something, not to please somebody else. And that goes way further than just a facelift. But you know what, your hairstyle, when women come to my chair and say, my husband wants it to be long, I said, you don't have any hair to be long. Okay, yeah, you have 14 hairs on your head. You need a nice blunt cut and.

[Kathy]

Or extensions.

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[Kathy]

Extensions. Extensions.

[Susan]

Go for it. No, I'm not into extensions. I know they're really big, but I don't know. They're damaging those things.

[Kathy]

Well, don't tell me that because my daughter just got them. I don't know. I do. I really do think it's like my PSA for the day. Do whatever cosmetic procedure you want that will make you feel better. I don't think. I think the age is whatever you feel like it. I think you got to remember that there's. It's not. Fix it. It's not going to change your personality. It's not going to. It's not going to find you a husband if you're doing it to find a boyfriend, a girlfriend, a partner. Probably not.

[Susan]

You know, you know, as we know that some TV personalities, when their number is getting up in age and they don't want to lose their job, they go get a little something done to keep themselves looking.

[Kathy]

Yeah, I do it for me. I feel better. I mean, I look at some of my siblings who have done nothing and I'm going to take heat for this too. It's downright scary. They that because. But you know what? They haven't done a lot of self care over the years. Some of my siblings have not. And it's. And it's sad because self care is. We're back to that whole topic of what is self care? It's about making yourself feel better for you. And that's what I think self care is.

[Susan]

And self care is also. Now here's a good excuse, people, if you want one, you have to go get new cosmetics. Things change.

[Kathy]

Oh, and they wear.

[Susan]

And they're not cosmetics and outfits. Next we're going to talk a little bit about fashion, how it's changed. Why not dress to be not just in style, but for you? What do you feel good in? I don't care if they don't wear those anymore. I like them. I'm rocking them.

[Kathy]

Right.

[Susan]

But I, I am tend to be trendy. I like fashion. Fashion goes with hair. So for us, we could tell when Paris would come out with their spring line or their next fall line, how the hair would change for those lines. It's crazy how it's all combined together.

[Kathy]

Okay, so everybody knows that Susan has helped me with my hair and my fashion because I grew up in New England. And in New England, at least where I grew up, people tend to dress in lots of plaid and just think oxford. Yeah. You know, I mean, button down. It's.

[Susan]

It's.

[Kathy]

Well, that's preppy. But I mean, high fashion in the circles I grew up in is what, you know, was, was plaid. I mean, there wasn't a lot of. A lot of high fashion. What you would.

[Susan]

Boston is plaid.

[Kathy]

Well, New England, it's a whole. That's a whole nother whole nother conversation for another time. But I remember. Well, I will. Let me just tell you. I will tell you a quick story about fashion. So you know I used to be an educational consultant, right?

[Susan]

Yes.

[Kathy]

Okay. I would take families from the school I worked at to look at boarding Schools. So I would take a couple of kids and their mothers and family fly. And I would, I knew the boarding schools. I would make the appointments, I would talk to them, show. I can tell you the, the women, the mothers. I knew how to dress because I grew up there. These mothers looked like I don't. They, they were so high fashion cute, you know, mini skirts with high boots on, very trendy. And the, and the direct, the admission directors would look at me, they go, where the hell are these people from? And I would say don't hold it against them. They live in Texas. You know, high money, high fashion. But truly they stood out from everybody in that admissions office. Like can I? Because the schools were in the Northeast, by the way.

[Susan]

That's what I'm about to say. I come from a very high fashion area. You got New York, Philly. Like we like to dress up. Yeah, we like clothes. We like the best shoes, your bag like all that. That's how I grew up, right. And when I go to certain places and California, to me I'm there a lot is very chill. It's very California. I don't know how to see. It's not a lot of high, high fashion.

[Kathy]

Given my choice, I'd be in flip flops, jeans and a sweatshirt like. But you I have, I've learned to, you know, to get dress used to be my biggest anxiety of oh my gosh, I have to go something for still do it.

[Susan]

Kathy, I don't know what to wear.

[Kathy]

But I've gotten better at picking out things I need to wear. I think that, that. But let me just say in terms of self care, spending money on yourself for clothing. A lot of us as we get older, we don't want to spend the money. We'd rather spend it on our children or keep it in a savings account.

[Susan]

Who don't want to spend the money as we get older. That's all the more reason you worked all your damn life. Spend a little on yourself. No, I don't agree with that.

[Kathy]

I didn't say you did. I said there were some people. I'm one of those people where if I'm out shopping, I'm more likely to look at something for my granddaughter than I am to look at something for myself.

[Susan]

Not when you shot with me. I've never seen that because I'm not get something for the kids as well. But you're going to take care of.

[Kathy]

Yourself because when you spend money, trust me, when I'm with you, Susan, we're on a mission to buy clothes I'm saying if I just go out shopping, I, you know, I, I'm going to be. The first place I'm going to land is in the children's department. Cuz I'm.

[Susan]

Let me ask you something. Do you just go out shopping or not?

[Kathy]

That's what I mean. So what are you saying here? I'm saying like, like when I, if.

[Susan]

I'm out, if you cruise the mall.

[Kathy]

If I go out to the mall or I just, you know, I've got an hour to kill before an appointment, a hair appointment and so I'm, I'm near go to a mall.

[Susan]

Well, no, like I would miss the appointment.

[Kathy]

I will walk in and I'll, I'll look at the baby clothes or the. Now the toddler clothes. I'll look for my seven year old granddaughter. You know, I look at stuff for my kids. Yes, I, I have learned to do it. But I'm telling you, if you're, if I'm being honest, self care to me, you're damn right. I get my facials, I get my hair done, I get my hair, you know, all those things. But, but self care to me is not buying new clothes all the time. And since we're being honest here, Susan. Yes, Susan has her own professional courier service because Amazon got tired of dropping 26 boxes at her door every day for her fat.

[Susan]

That's for the children in the family and my self care needs. I don't know, I wish I could just buy my clothes on Amazon.

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[Kathy]

I buy clothes on Amazon to be in fashion. I don't think. Let me just say though, that is one more thing about self care. I don't, I know that as people get older it's a thing for me.

[Susan]

We could do a whole month of self care episodes.

[Kathy]

I know, right? Wait people. This is one of the things that drives me nuts. Seeing people, women particularly my age, your age, over 50 and they have on these shoes that. Oh God, please. And, and I'll, and sometimes I'll say stick with sneakers.

[Susan]

It's cooler.

[Kathy]

It's. I know it. They'll go, well, they're comfortable. I'm like, they, they comfortable?

[Susan]

They, they're hideous.

[Kathy]

They're hideous. But you don't say that right. And they'll go, my feet hurt. I'm like, your feet hurt? Like what?

[Susan]

Well, we could do another episode on shoes.

[Kathy]

I don't know, Susan. I may have more shoes than you have. I do have a little problem with shoes. Shoes. A lot. I do have a lot of shoes.

[Susan]

Well, I did good this year and cleaned that closet out. I got rid of a ton of things.

[Kathy]

Wait, that's another thing.

[Susan]

I still have four closets in this house.

[Kathy]

I was gonna say self care. Susan, for you. I want you to devote an hour a day to clean.

[Susan]

A day. There's no such thing.

[Kathy]

Okay. An hour a week to cleaning out your closets. Okay.

[Susan]

And they're neat and organized, though, but things I haven't worn in years.

[Kathy]

All right, well, we. We're out of time here, so. So that is going to do it for this episode.

[Susan]

That flew by, Kathy.

[Kathy]

But this was a great episode. I love doing this. Bachelor Happy hours Golden Hour Fashion for goldens and self care. What a great topic. We got to come back and do this one again.

[Susan]

I was just going to say that. Trust and believe me. Write in. Let us know what you want us to talk about. And we will. I mean, we're fashionistas. What can I say? And thank you all so much for joining us yet again. And be sure to follow Bachelor Happy Hour as we have new episodes, new topics, new people coming out every single week. And you don't want to miss this.

[Kathy]

That's right. And all you have to do is submit your questions to us. You go to bachelornation.com golden hour or hit us up on socials at Bachelor Happy Hour because these two fashionistas want to hear from you.

[Susan]

Coming out, baby. Listen to Bachelor Happy Hours golden hour on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you listen to your podcast.

[Kathy]

Until next time, take care.

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[Susan]

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