The 411 on the Slumber Party | Golden Hour

Summary

Bachelor Happy Hour: The 411 on the Slumber Party | Golden Hour

Date: October 6, 2025
Hosts: Susan and Kathy (Golden Bachelor alums)
Podcast: Bachelor Happy Hour by iHeartPodcasts & Warner Bros.

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Episode Overview

In this Golden Hour installment, Susan and Kathy take listeners behind the scenes of the most recent episode of The Golden Bachelor, focusing on the memorable "slumber party," a spirited roast of Bachelor Mel, emotional one-on-ones, evolving connections, and how dating in midlife plays out on national television. As franchise alumni, Susan and Kathy offer their authentic, witty, and sometimes deeply personal perspectives—comparing their own experiences to the current contestants while reflecting on broader themes of vulnerability, age, and the search for love.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Roasting Mel: Humor, Age, and Opportunity

Timestamps: 04:37–11:23

• Susan and Kathy kick off discussing the week’s group date—a roast of Bachelor Mel—highlighting the uniqueness of having women roast the man they’re competing for.
  • “Roasting Mel? Like, that’s new. I can imagine the women thinking, wait, we have to say terrible things about him. We’re trying to win him.” – Susan [04:37]
  • Kathy jokes about relishing the opportunity: “What an opportunity to roast the hell out of him... I may be a woman of a certain age, but I could take care of you!” [04:46]
• Memorable roast lines included calling Mel ‘a New York style pizza’ and ‘a slippery slob.’
  • “Robin put their foot in the mouth... and says, he’s like a slippery slob.” – Susan [10:07]
  • “Carol ... goes, I can’t write, I can’t write. I don’t have my glasses.” – Susan [10:26]; the hosts love how these everyday aging moments become franchise highlights.
• The roast is praised for letting the women air grievances, humorously or not, and for how Mel “took it well.”
  • “I honestly think most of them had accepted his apology. But it was humor, it was funny, he took it well.” – Kathy [11:24]

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2. Themes of Vulnerability, Age, and Self-Worth

Timestamps: 05:18–13:10

• The hosts repeatedly circle back to deeper themes: how hard it is to date, trust, and open up after decades of life experience.
  • On Cindy’s confession about being cheated on:
    “Cindy sharing it about men cheating on her in the past, and she’s not okay watching Mel be with other women, that tells me Cindy’s in it for real. Her heart is getting involved.” – Susan [07:36]
  • Kathy reflects: “To be cheated on when you’ve got a family and children... I just feel like when you have a family and children and... that just really struck me.” [07:58]
• They champion the message that “it’s never too late to be chosen” and that everyone is worthy of love at any age.
  • “Debbie said... you are worthy. It gives a glimpse of how life could be.” – Kathy [08:48]
  • “It’s the theme of feeling worthy at any age and that it’s never too late.” – Kathy [09:29]
  • “The show is about finding love.” – Susan [09:46]

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3. Home Life & Humor: Age in the Bachelor Mansion

Timestamps: 08:30–13:20

• The hosts reflect on the chaos of communal living—who cleans, who cooks—and how it bonds or divides contestants.
  • “I used to play team sports... so many of those women regularly. We talk about everything...” – Jane Austen Host [01:14, ad context; referenced in discussion]
  • “What is the first thing I said to you? Pick up after yourselves!” – Susan [08:30]
• They have a laugh about contestants' “realness” on issues like cleaning, reading glasses, and sharing space—uniquely relatable to older viewers.
  • “Can you imagine a 20-year-old running around saying, I need my glasses? That was a golden moment for sure.” – Kathy [10:33]
  • “When they showed Mel’s package at the very beginning and he’s with his boys in the kitchen... Did you notice there were a sink full of dirty dishes?” – Kathy [12:56]

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4. Notable Dates: Debbie’s One-on-One & Cindy’s Jealousy

Timestamps: 21:46–23:13

• Debbie is highlighted as a "hopeful romantic" who gets emotional on her one-on-one with Mel; this is discussed as a touchstone for older viewers.
  • “Debbie gets so emotional. She said this could be my moment. I believe in love. This could be a glimpse of my life.” – Kathy [21:46]
  • “The best line ever... when Debbie said, it doesn’t matter how old you are.” – Susan [23:00]
• Cindy’s ongoing struggle with jealousy is discussed, emphasizing how emotional investment can be even more fraught after past betrayals.
  • “During this whole time, Cindy is constantly thinking about, he’s on a date with another woman. She shared how she felt like a smitten kitten...” – Susan [23:51]
  • “I can imagine if I had a connection with a man and I’m watching him, you know, make out... I get it, they clearly have a connection.” – Kathy [24:16]

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5. Slumber Party Recap: Humor, Advice, and "The Vibrator Scene"

Timestamps: 25:52–30:47

• Susan and Kathy reminisce about hosting the infamous slumber party.
  • “We were lucky enough or stupid enough to show up in shorty pajamas to chat with these women.” – Kathy [26:01]
  • “Did you not feel a little strange being in the house... with these women who were in our situation?” – Kathy [26:40]
• There’s a standout moment when Kathy and Susan discuss the women’s reactions to receiving a vibrator.
  • “When they said... a little present... a vibrator. Susan’s eyes lit up, and I went, oh, God, please, can I just take an early exit?” – Kathy [28:28]
  • “You could use it here for sore muscles... even below the waist. He is over 60, so you may need this at times.” – Susan [28:42]
  • Kathy’s classic line: “Ladies, if you don’t know what this is, you’re probably not ready.” [29:13]
• The hosts reflect on advice they gave, women’s real reactions, and the energized, open conversation that set this batch of contestants apart.
  • “I did have a ball with these women. And... is it really a vibrator?” – Susan [28:11]
  • “The conversations were different than the ones we had. I will say they were.” – Kathy [30:01]

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6. The Rose Ceremony & Mel’s Personality

Timestamps: 31:16–44:47

• The ladies analyze Mel’s decision-making, repeated “toasts to love, happiness, and fun,” and his apparent difficulty expressing deeper feelings.
  • “If Mel says one more time, when he lifts his champagne glass, I want to toast to love, happiness and fun... Can you be more creative, Mel?” – Kathy [31:59]
  • Susan points out: “He does say, my future wife could be in this room.” [32:16]
  • “The show is about finding love. Not just having fun.” – Susan [40:03]
  • “He’s not giving me enough. I don’t know if it’s not enough energy, but there’s something missing here.” – Susan [42:01]
  • Kathy on Mel: “I want to like him... I feel like he’s stiff.” [42:37]
• They speculate whether Mel knows what he wants, what he’s looking for, and if his reserved nature is due to nerves or personality.
  • “Do you know what you want, Mel? You’re 66 years old. Do you know what you want?” – Kathy [41:10]

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7. Commentary on the Women and Contestant Dynamics

Timestamps: 34:35–47:53

• The hosts break down individuals’ chances and personalities, especially Cindy (“my money’s on Cindy”) and Nicole.
  • “The piece that’s working with Cindy is that girl rocks a bikini and looks great with the ocean washing over while they’re making out.” – Kathy [44:35]
  • “When Nicole kisses him, I feel like Nicole just getting his attention... She likes to be front and center, she likes attention and she likes to kiss him.” – Susan [45:32]
• Discussion of “the wrong reasons” classic Bachelor trope, as the women begin to speculate about influencer motives.
  • “Somebody said that somebody was there to be whatever, an influencer. … 'She’s here for the wrong reasons.' And Cindy pipes right up and says, you tell him. And I thought, yes, Cindy, spread the dirty work out.” – Kathy [47:28]
  • “She makes Robin tell him. Robin's the one that they're there. And that reminded me of stuff with us, like who's gonna be the bad guy and go tell him what's going on?” – Susan [47:53]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Women's Worth:

  • “It’s the theme of feeling worthy at any age and that it’s never too late.” – Kathy [09:29]
  • “It doesn’t matter how old you are.” – Debbie, via Susan [23:00]

• On Dating Later in Life:

  • “I just feel like when you have a family and children and... that just really struck me.” – Kathy [07:58]

• On Humor & Aging:

  • “Can you imagine a 20-year-old running around saying, I need my glasses? That was a golden moment for sure.” – Kathy [10:33]
  • “If you don’t know what this is, you’re probably not ready.” – Kathy, about the vibrator [29:13]

• On Mel’s Personality:

  • “He’s not giving me enough. ... Show me some energy, baby. Show me where your heart's going.” – Susan [42:01]

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Key Timestamps

• Roast of Mel (group date): 04:37–11:23
• Heart-to-heart discussions & vulnerability: 05:18–13:10
• Debbie’s emotional 1-on-1: 21:46–23:13
• Slumber party & 'vibrator moment': 25:52–30:47
• Rose ceremony analysis: 31:16–44:47
• Speculating on “the wrong reasons”: 47:28–48:10

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Tone & Style

Susan and Kathy’s dynamic is a perfect mix of playful teasing, sharp Bachelor fandom, and honest, mature reflection. Their rapport is warm and irreverent, with a sense of camaraderie toward both the women in the mansion and Bachelor Nation listeners. They balance humor with empathy, especially around themes of age, self-worth, and dating after loss or heartbreak. Throughout, they maintain an inviting and informal tone that feels like a chat between old friends, with plenty of Bachelor inside jokes and gentle nudges at the show’s well-worn tropes.

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Closing Thoughts from the Hosts

• Both are rooting for Mel to “loosen up” and for the contestants to embrace vulnerability, regardless of life stage.
• The hosts vow to keep watching and commenting every week, inviting listeners to share thoughts and experiences along the way.
  • “We want Mel to find love. We want everyone out there to find love.” – Kathy [49:57]
• “Can’t wait for next week!” – Susan [47:03]

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Summary

This episode is a quintessential Golden Hour: funny, heartwarming, sometimes a little racy (thanks, vibrator scene!), but always rooted in the wisdom and warmth of women who have lived—and loved—a lot. If you’re invested in The Golden Bachelor (or just want to hear two friends share candid, inspiring perspectives on dating in later life), this episode is as entertaining as it is insightful.

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[Kathy]

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[Susan]

We especially love doing this one because it was all about this week's episode. Oh, my goodness. Where do we start?

[Kathy]

Kathy, you know what? Where do you want to start? I don't know. I. I don't know. Where do you want to start? Wait.

[Susan]

Roasting Mel? Like, that's new. I can imagine the women thinking, wait, we have to say terrible things about him. We're trying to win him.

[Kathy]

Well, first of all, let me just say again, as a woman of a certain age, what an opportunity to roast the hell out of him. Oh, no, he's just joking. Just A joke. I mean, to throw it all at him. So I thought that was Jared. Jared Freedom. Who, by the way, can I just say, Jared, if you're listening. You know what? I may be a woman of a certain age, but I could take care of you. I think he is hysterical.

[Susan]

He is hysterical. I agree. I agree.

[Kathy]

Okay, so I loved. We got to start at the beginning before the roast. Terry going after Nicole. I want to know. I, I know we talked about this last week, but. But I still. And I like Nicole, but I have an issue as a mom and a woman of a certain age sort of just macking on this guy in the pool. And Terry goes after. I fought in a respectful way.

[Susan]

Well, yes. Terry let her know that they. That's something they wouldn't do and they didn't really approve of it. Nicole's like, hey, it is what it is.

[Kathy]

I know, but don't you. Again with the 20 somethings, the 30 somethings. I, I don't know, Susan. I feel like as goldens, we're supposed to be a step above that. I just keep coming back to that and I don't like seeing catty behavior. I just don't, I don't like it.

[Susan]

But how about. How about what? Cheryl said he was a little cheesy and square and he reminded her of.

[Kathy]

A New York style pizza that was like. Yeah, I mean, okay, but cute line. But I'm. Robin, wait, you're. You're in the roast? I'm talking about the beginning before the roast even begins. Cindy is sitting there crying. I don't know where this is going, but it looks to me like Cindy is going to be a major player in this, in this show. I mean, they just, she's, she's narrating. She's, you know, she's, she's tearing up. Yeah. Absmand kitten. And you know when she said, I'm not okay with Mel trying to, to explore with other women.

[Susan]

Yes.

[Kathy]

And then she said, and this is what I want to get to before we get to the roast. She's been cheated on. And I thought to myself, are we different at our age, Susan, that to be cheated on when you've got a family with children. I mean, listen, my kids, I'm guessing, you know, were cheated on when they were dating. I don't know. I didn't ask them. But I just feel like when you have a family and children and, and.

[Susan]

That Leslie, Leslie had the same cry that I know left her.

[Kathy]

But don't you think it's like a.

[Susan]

To me it's sad is what it is. It's sad. But Cindy sharing it about men cheating on her in the past, and she's not okay watching Mel be with other women, that tells me Cindy's in it for real. Her heart is getting involved. I think she really believes that. That there's a connection.

[Kathy]

Yeah, but I just. I don't know. I. Maybe I'm just. Maybe the problem for me is I'm not in it. Like when we were on our show, I'm watching it as a mom, as somebody who was on the Golden Bachelor, as somebody who has children. And I'm thinking how hard that must really be to talk about being cheated on when you have a family, when you've had so many years with a spouse. I don't know. That just really struck me. And then the other.

[Susan]

Here it was, your heart goes out to her. What about Amy? And I'm the only one that cooks and clean. Kathy, do you remember being in that house? What is the first thing I said to you? What the hell? You girls don't clean up. Everybody pick up after themselves. The dishes were piled up. I'm like, who is in charge over here?

[Kathy]

Yeah, I. I mean, I get it. You know, Susan is the. The cleaner of the century here. But wait, before. Again, I want to get to the roast. But the other thing, when Debbie said at the very beginning, it. Debbie. For anyone who doesn't remember, Debbie is 65 and she's never been married. She always put her career first. And. But she said she's ready now. And she said, you know, it doesn't matter how old you are. You are worthy. And she was saying it's a glimpse of how life could be on her, on her one on one date with him. And I know I'm jumping ahead, but you are.

[Susan]

You're way ahead of me.

[Kathy]

It's the themes, though. It is the theme of feeling worthy at any age and that it's never too late. And.

[Susan]

I quote, later on, I'll. I'll quote what he said, which was our message coming off the show. Exactly.

[Kathy]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Susan]

It's all the same. And I know. And that show is about finding love.

[Kathy]

Well, I agree.

[Susan]

Some people might be there for the wrong reason.

[Kathy]

Yeah, that's very true. But she's back.

[Susan]

Just.

[Kathy]

Okay, can we get back, though? Can we come back to Debbie? Because I thought, oh, we're definitely. All right, let's go back to the roast. Hysterical.

[Susan]

Robin put their foot in the mouth, in the shoes, and says, he's like a slippery slob.

[Kathy]

I mean, I don't know if I.

[Susan]

Could have come up with something that quick.

[Kathy]

I, I mean the, they were, I don't know if they had help writing this stuff because, you know, I'm pretty quick witted. And I was like, oh my God, that's genius.

[Susan]

Kathy, who was it? Was it Carol that didn't have her glasses? She goes, I can't write, I can't write. I don't have my glasses.

[Kathy]

And can I say to you, I felt for that because how many times I'm the girl. You can see me right now with glasses on. I have to wear glasses to read, to write, I have to. And I just thought when I was watching that, I'm thinking, yep, there's age for you right there. Can you imagine a 20 year old running around saying, I need my glasses? That was a golden moment for sure. And that really was me. Monica B. I just loved it. You know, don't go, don't go. He's an antique, classic car, doesn't go over 60, 16. I mean, come on. These are great. But I just, as a thematic comment, I love the fact that it gave these women a way to rip him a new one, whether they wanted to or not, humorously or not.

[Susan]

Right, right.

[Kathy]

Because I honestly think most of them had accepted his apology. But it was humor, it was funny, he took it well. I, I thought he took it well.

[Susan]

And he isn't to me, Mr. Personality. Okay, I need to see Mel. Get me more energy, baby. I mean, you're doing everything right, you're saying the right things, blah, blah, blah, show me something. He's just kind of there and going and I don't see a ton of emotion or excitement for that matter.

[Kathy]

You know, he keeps making con. I agree with you, Susan. He keeps making comments about, you know, these women, what they're doing. I'm like, mel, what are you doing? Like, he seems a little stiff. I want to know what he's feeling. I feel like Gary on our season was really good at that.

[Susan]

He was very good sharing his emotions. Well, we know that, but let's go.

[Kathy]

Back to a minute for Mel. You know, he's not, you know, he's a sports attorney and a football, football player now a sports attorney. So, you know, you would think as a people person he might be able to loosen up. But I keep thinking, you know, he's like a deer in the headlights with 23 women.

[Susan]

I wonder, is he really uptight? Like, does he, is it because it's stage fright? You know, you're being Filmed. And. And he redeemed himself and apologized profusely when this all started. Is it part of that that he feels.

[Kathy]

I don't know. But.

[Susan]

I don't know. But, Mel, get loose.

[Kathy]

Okay. I've been saving this, Susan, since last week, I've been saving this for you. Bachelor Nation. I have been saving this.

[Susan]

All right?

[Kathy]

When they showed Mel's package at the very beginning and he's with his boys in the kitchen, did you notice? I thought Mel and Susan never happening has nothing to do with her age. Did you notice there were a sink full of dirty dishes? Go back and watch.

[Susan]

I thought, oh, I'll be so upset.

[Kathy]

Yeah. I was like, well, that's it. You know, he may not want women.

[Susan]

Susan's out.

[Kathy]

Susan's out. Mel, she'd have your ass in a sling. You'd be doing dishes for the next month.

[Susan]

Hey, I've been teaching my man who's been here for three weeks. Don't leave that in the sink.

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[Diplo]

Well, I kind of briefly met Bailey, I think at Morgan's show, one of them. And I think he's just the guy in Nashville. He's cool as hell and I had a new kind of sound I wanted to do and I think he's the one guy that could carry it. And I came to his house, I had a show, I pulled up real quick, he was about to leave on tour. Yeah, you're about to jump in your tour bus and we had like three hours play the record for him. We kind of like got a scratch and then he handled on his own on the road.

[Bailey Zimmerman]

Yeah, it was really cool. He really just like randomly showed up to my house and like oh hey Diplo, what are you doing? He's like I have a song that I want to show you. And I was like okay. And then now we're here playing it live.

[Bobby Bones]

You can listen to the full episode out now, wherever you get your podcasts and big shout out to my friends at Hyundai for making this possible. Had a blast cruising around festival weekend in the all new Palisade hybrid.

[Kathy]

You mentioned. Carol. I don't know. I'm all about themes. You know, someone's just gonna have to get me off this, off this ledge here. But I'm watching this show with a very different attitude. I'm watching it as really, what are we saying about goldens? You know, what are we. What is bachelor nation scene? How are we different from the young ones? So when Carol ever said to him, you know, she said, he wants to date 40 to 60 year olds. And she said, that's the first thing we've had in common, meaning she wants to date. And I thought, if that is an ageism right there, like, yeah, you, Carol, because do we hear women saying, yeah, I'm 60 and I want to date a guy 40 to 60. We never hear it. So I was like, I. It was funny, but as a woman, I loved hearing that, like, women can date younger men.

[Susan]

Yes. But also when they were chatting, I think she kind of ran out of things to say. Like, she said she was handsome and. And then about the first kiss, she felt like a teenager. And this one's for all you shy girls. We had that one on one conversation, and it's like, go for it. If you really. This situation is so different than everyday normal life meeting somebody. Am I right, Kathy?

[Audible Pride and Prejudice Promoter]

It is.

[Susan]

You've got 10 other girls going after the same man, so you need to put out there what you want.

[Kathy]

So can we, can we, can we. We jump ahead to the pajama party. I still want to come back to Debbie in that one on one date.

[Susan]

But let's do Debbie. Debbie gets so emotional. Oh, my God.

[Kathy]

Oh, okay, so. But did you not think that to me, Debbie was like the hopeful romantic. A cooking with him, a glimpse of how life star chef.

[Susan]

I would have been in my glory, but he was very attentive. He was very affectionate.

[Kathy]

Right.

[Susan]

I like that. I like.

[Kathy]

I didn't think he was overly affectionate, but okay.

[Susan]

And he said Debbie is his type.

[Kathy]

Yes, he did say that. I'm not sure what his type is yet, but again, Debbie's saying how great it felt to be chosen and that she's earnest about love. And she said this could be maybe her moment. I just, I want people to see that you don't have to be 20, you don't have to be 30. That we can have our moment at, at any age. And I love that Debbie came out and said, this could be my moment. I believe in love. This could be a glimpse of my life. And I just. I thought that was such a great capsule of what we as goldens are looking for. I loved it. I love you, Debbie.

[Susan]

And the best line ever, when Debbie said, it doesn't matter how old you are. Exactly what you're saying. It doesn't matter how old you are.

[Kathy]

And I.

[Susan]

It's still a feeling.

[Kathy]

It's a feeling, but you can have that feeling at any age. And those are the messages that I am loving on this show. That it's re. It's. It's. It's just underscoring the fact that age is just a number. The butterflies. You can have them. The love, I don't know. I love that. I thought it was such a sweet moment. And of course, Susan, you know how much I love to cook. So I was sitting there thinking, oh, dear God, if that had been me with Mel, and they gave me a.

[Susan]

Knife, she took over and she said, get that whisk move. Use that risk.

[Kathy]

Could you see? I would have cut my fingers off in the kitchen.

[Susan]

You would have said, here, I'll stand.

[Kathy]

I would have said, darling, darling, I'll make the reservations. You can sit there and slice and dice all night.

[Susan]

And. And during this whole time, Cindy is constantly thinking about, he's on a date with another woman. She shared how she felt like a smitten kitten and how she loves how he said that they have a connection. So he's on a date with Debbie. Cindy's at the house thinking, he said, we have a connection. That's kind of hard.

[Kathy]

I mean, I don't. Again, I hate to sound like a broken record. You and I did not have a connection with Gary, but I can imagine if I had a connection with a man and I'm watching him, you know, make out. I mean, Cindy, for God's sakes. In that preview for next week, she is on the beach in the water. It looks like something out of a Sports Illustrated bathing suit in issue. I'm like, I mean, seriously. So I get it. They clearly have a connection. So I get it for her. And I think it's. It's really hard.

[Susan]

Yes.

[Kathy]

The other thing that I love that they showed was women our age, you know, what we care about, how we look. The. The whole thing with the puffy eyes and rolling stuff.

[Susan]

I was like, I love the mask. I have one.

[Kathy]

I know, but don't you love that? We're not trying to pretend we want to look our best. I don't know.

[Susan]

Like we both said. Agreed. The only. The major difference when I look at this show compared. Every single one of them have long, beautiful hair. Every single one.

[Kathy]

I swear to God, Susan, I'm. I'm gonna call them all when this show's over. All right. Do you have extensions? Do you have extensions?

[Susan]

I don't think if any. There's many.

[Kathy]

Oh, no. Many of them. I asked them, but I. Now I'm gonna take roll call. I'm gonna find out.

[Susan]

I want to see who. Because, Peg, I can definitely tell you.

[Kathy]

Oh, that girl's got, like, a horse head.

[Susan]

I look at their hair. I'm a hairdresser.

[Kathy]

Yeah.

[Jane Austen Host]

Wow.

[Kathy]

All right, I'm gonna find out.

[Susan]

One on one date. Of course, Debbie got the rose, so she's feeling good. Then the rose ceremony begins. Oh, boy. And the first choice was.

[Kathy]

Hold on. You just skipped over the pajama party.

[Susan]

Oh, wait, I have that. That's.

[Kathy]

Let's go with the pajama party. Now, I've got to say, we know that there's only so much time to air conversations and air. We all know watching this show, a lot more goes on that we actually see on t. And you and I were lucky enough or stupid enough to show up in shorty pajamas to chat with these women.

[Susan]

Hey, Kathy, I thought we looked pretty good, Especially when did you see us. You plopped on one couch, I plopped on the other, waiting for them to get changed in their pajamas.

[Kathy]

I know, but yes, let me say, were you not sorry that they didn't show the pillow fight at the end?

[Susan]

I know they showed that in the attraction.

[Kathy]

I know in the previous.

[Susan]

It was a blast, you guys. There was feathers everywhere.

[Kathy]

So I. I felt like when we were there, first of all, I loved that you and I got to get to know them a little bit. But again, did it not feel a little strange being in the house? Well, being in the house with these women who were in our situation just.

[Susan]

You know, but it was so different for me.

[Kathy]

Tell me.

[Susan]

Seeing them and compared to us was like night and day and some of the conversations that we had, I was a little taken back. They were so excited to meet us and asking us different questions, and I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait a minute.

[Kathy]

Wait a minute. I think when we were there, that was right after, if my memory serves me, because they talked to me about it, and I know they mentioned to you the kiss. Nicole making out with him in the pool. That was sort of. That was sort of the Discussion of the evening. So I have a question. I mean, not a question, a comment. You talked to Peg? I thought you gave great advice to the women, by the way. Thank you, Kathy. You're welcome. But I had also talked to Peg, and it was. I didn't know that you had, because I thought they sort of split the women in half.

[Susan]

Yeah, I was thinking that, but maybe.

[Kathy]

Maybe I'm imagining it.

[Susan]

I get Peg, and I like her.

[Kathy]

She had gorgeous hair. I kind of wanted. Wanted her head of hair.

[Susan]

Oh, it's too thick. It's too thick.

[Kathy]

Oh, please. Are you serious? I take medication for hair growth. That's blasphemy to say it's too thick. I don't want to hear that.

[Susan]

But we did have a ball with these women and. Oh, my God. Wait, how about them? Not well. And speaking of Peg, is it really a vibrator?

[Kathy]

Okay, let's talk about that. When? First of all, Bachelor Nation, when. When they said, we're going to have. Have a little present for you to get the girls, and they said about a vibrator. Susan's eyes lit up, and I went, oh, God, please, can I just take an early exit?

[Susan]

When I said, you could use it here for sore muscles. Here, here. And I said, even below the waist. I said, he is 60, after all. He's over 60, so you may need this at times. There's nothing wrong with adding a little fun to the bedroom.

[Kathy]

Okay, seriously, Truth. You know, never have I ever. By the way, we could talk about that game, too. I was like, oh, my God, here we go. Throwing down the ice cream. But ser. Seriously, do you really think for one minute. Now, I know, Susan, you say I'm, like, a prude, which I'm not, but we're not going to get into that.

[Susan]

I wouldn't say a prude, but there's other.

[Kathy]

Yeah, trust me.

[Susan]

Describing.

[Kathy]

Trust me. You know, trust me, I'm good. But here's the question I have for you. Do you really think those women didn't know what it was? I was like, come on, ladies, just be real. No, I mean, you know, I mean.

[Susan]

It wasn't shaped like a penis or anything. It was a wand. Well, the wands are the popular things these days.

[Kathy]

If anybody's keeping up on whatever I'm. I was just sitting there. Ladies, if you don't know what this is, you're probably not ready.

[Susan]

A lot of them did because they were like, oh, my God, I love this.

[Kathy]

I said. I said something like, what, you think this was crayons? Look, At.

[Susan]

I know, right? What do you think we're going to do here? We're real.

[Kathy]

I don't know. I thought it was great getting.

[Susan]

It was a great.

[Kathy]

But the conversations were different than the ones we had. I will say they were. And I cannot believe that you and I had on silk shorty pajamas.

[Susan]

And I can't believe. We look good. We look good. I felt so much better after seeing this.

[Kathy]

I don't know. Yeah. Like. Yeah.

[Susan]

And you know the best part of all, Kathy? We were comfortable, right? We had slippers, no high heels. Like, it was chill.

[Kathy]

Okay.

[Susan]

And everybody was on our same level. You know, it was chill. Just fun.

[Kathy]

Can I admit something? After we had the pillow fight that they only showed in the promos, my slippers came off. And I love the slippers because they were so comfortable. And I got back to the hotel, I had two different slippers, two different sizes.

[Susan]

Oh, my God.

[Kathy]

Like, well, so much for those.

[Susan]

I was choking on the feathers they were getting in my mouth cuz I kept laughing so much.

[Kathy]

Okay.

[Susan]

But the girls really were excited to see us. And that was such a nice, warm welcome. They were. Were screaming, you know.

[Kathy]

Yeah, it was.

[Susan]

And then.

[Kathy]

And they're part of the family now.

[Susan]

Mel's. Mel's face on.

[Kathy]

I know, but don't you. I feel like they're all part of our bachelor family.

[Susan]

I can't wait to see them again. I really can't. I. I hope I get to.

[Kathy]

We will. We will.

[Susan]

So now we have the rose ceremony. I was so blessed and happy for Cindy that she was the first one.

[Kathy]

I know.

[Susan]

And in the same breath, Kathy, if I may, if she's not the one, like, I feel like, whoa, you're leading her on the believe. Like, I don't know where he's at.

[Kathy]

My money's on Cindy. My money's. I mean, she's from Austin, but I just think they definitely have a very strong connection. But wait, can I. I have to say something. Wine in hand. Here. I'm toasting right here. Get this. You ready? If Mel says one more time, when he lifts his champagne glass, I want to toast to love, happiness and fun.

[Susan]

Fun.

[Kathy]

I'm like, really? You said that last time. Can you be more creative, Mel, Like, I mean, there's so much more that he could say. And I think as a woman, it's like, how about to finding love? How about.

[Susan]

He does say, my. My future wife could be in this room.

[Kathy]

Yeah, well, you know, what can I just say it's not. It's my future husband could be in this world. Big deal.

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[Bobby Bones]

Hey, it's Bobby from the Bobby Bones Show. I had an incredible time at this year's iHeartRadio music festival and even got the chance to hang out with Diplo and Bailey Zimmerman while I was there. Check this out. So how did Ashes come together? Diplo?

[Diplo]

Well, I kind of briefly met Bailey, I think at Morgan's show, one of them. And I think he's just the guy in Nashville. He's cool as hell and I had a new kind of sound I wanted to do and I think he's the one guy that could carry it. And I came to his house, I had a show, I pulled up real quick, he was about to leave on tour. You're about to jump in your tour bus and we had like three hours play the record for him. We kind of like got a scratch and then he handled on his own on the road.

[Bailey Zimmerman]

Yeah, it was really cool. He really just like randomly showed up, up to my house and I'm like, oh, hey, diplo, what are you doing? He's like, I have a song that I want to show you. And I was like, okay. And then now we're here playing it live.

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[Susan]

Were you surprised that he let Terry.

[Kathy]

From the, from Houston?

[Susan]

I was, I was surprised.

[Kathy]

I mean, I like Terry. She's my kind of girl. Just personality wise, you know, I don't, we don't know. Again, again, time is short. We don't know what conversations were had or not had with these women with Mel. But when, when Carol said she was so nervous and she needed to make herself more vulnerable, I felt like it hit home to me because even though I'm outgoing and gregarious, you know, it's hard to be vulnerable. It's hard to say I care. Are you interested? Because I am. That's hard. And that feels for me is the biggest difference. And I know it sounds crazy, but watching this show, I'm having more emotional connections with this whole thing than I did being a participant. And I, I, I thought last week it was just sort of, oh, yeah, it's just the first episode. But no, I'm really, I'm feeling it when, when, when Carol says it, I'm, I'm feeling it when Debbie.

[Susan]

Yes, they were opening up and being vulnerable by saying those things too.

[Kathy]

Yeah, and, and, and I agree. So I've got a problem and I like Mel. I, I, again, I have to repeat, I've not met him yet. I think he's a good looking man. I mean, jumping in the pool with sneakers on. Not sure I would have done it, but you know, whatever.

[Susan]

Definitely would have. I love that part.

[Kathy]

Oh, I mean, whatever.

[Susan]

But we wait, just. No. This show is about finding love. Not Just having fun.

[Kathy]

Right.

[Susan]

And so it's always fun to go on a group.

[Kathy]

And that's what, that's what's bothering you about his toast? It's to love. Not finding love. He just. He said it twice now. Love, happiness, and fun. And, you know, that's. I. The other thing that he keeps saying is in different, you know, iterations, he says all of this, all of the women, they all have a fit for me, in other words, what I took it to mean is there's bits and pieces of each woman that he could fit in with. Yeah. And I'm like, so, you know, Kathy, analytical Kathy, starts thinking, if I were one of them, I don't want to be the one left behind. Do you know what you want, Mel? You're 66 years old. Do you know what you want? Because, you know, if I. If I go out on a date with six guys, I, you know, in six different dates, I might say to you, Susan, I went on six dates. And. But I'm going to say, also say to you, I can only see dating this guy or maybe two guys, not all of these women.

[Susan]

So that's feeling a connection, right?

[Kathy]

I know, but don't you. Is that a concern to you at all? That. That.

[Susan]

I think every single person, as a lead, has to go through that. Everyone I've ever seen is the same. They don't know yet.

[Kathy]

Okay, but we're on. We're on episode three. We're like a third of the way through and either again, just getting. Oh, yeah, I don't know.

[Susan]

So some of the notes that I wrote. Again, I really like Mel, however, he's not giving me enough. I don't know if it's not enough energy, but there's something missing here.

[Kathy]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Back up. Repeat what you just said for me.

[Susan]

I really like Mel. However, he is not giving me enough. I don't know if it's not enough energy, but there's something missing. I can't quite put my finger on it. And that saying, if it were me dating him, just think something's not a hundred percent there. Maybe he's a quiet guy. I mean, I give anybody and everybody the benefit of the doubt. However, show me something else. Show me some energy, baby. Show me where your heart's going. He's not given that, and maybe not yet, because it is week three.

[Kathy]

So I'm just gonna say what you just said. It's only if you say it's only week three. So maybe that's part of it. But I feel like, like, like I said, I, I want to like him. I want to meet him. I feel like he's stiff. That's the word that keeps coming to me, however, I'm guessing.

[Susan]

But that smile is real, right? He does smile with them.

[Kathy]

I think he has some calm demeanor. I think as a football player, I'm just being honest. I don't know. But I'm guessing, you know, his back hurts, his neck hurts, his legs hurt, his knees hurting, his feet hurt. God knows his feet hurt because leather shoes are not in his vocabulary. But that's. So I am struggling here with what you just hit the nail on the head.

[Susan]

Yeah.

[Kathy]

Something.

[Susan]

What is it?

[Kathy]

Who are you?

[Susan]

Tell us.

[Kathy]

Yeah, and I, even though he may not know which woman he wants again, I would love to hear what he's looking for. And I'm not getting that yet.

[Susan]

He hasn't shared it, though, Kathy.

[Kathy]

So that's why, Let me, me, Let me rewind. That's why I said to you, does he know what he wants or is or is. You know, he wants bits and pieces of whatever. We're down to 11 women. I, I, I was not surprised. I like Amy. I mean, come on. That girl's Northeastern girl. She's got a lot of energy.

[Susan]

Oh my gosh, she's a trip.

[Kathy]

She's a trip. Monica, Monica, Terry and, and Monica P. So the two Monicas, Terry and Amy. I, we don't know. Again, we're not privy to all the conversations.

[Susan]

No.

[Kathy]

So we don't really know why. But the ones that he kept, he said there's pieces of each one. So I'm, I, and let me just.

[Susan]

Say some, something about each one of them that he is attracted to. Something's that there. And that's how this game works.

[Kathy]

Right? Can I just tell you, the piece that's working with Cindy is that girl rocks a bikini and looks great with the ocean washing over while they're making out. I'm telling you, it. Look, it was like a B movie right there.

[Susan]

And you know, she gets like real sappy and, and cry because she's really into it. And then she's so fun and sure of herself when she's having a conversation. I really like her.

[Kathy]

Wait, can I just say I'm going to take lessons from that again. You know, I need help dating Ollie out there. I need help. So, you know, did you see I'm watching. I don't know why. Susan, I keep telling you, I'm watching this episode, this series, this show, so carefully. I'm watching Cindy. I think they have a connection. I'm watching. I'm watching her put her hand on his arm and her hand on his shoulder. And when she kisses him, she's so of gently puts her hands. I'm taking lessons, Cindy.

[Susan]

She's feeling. It's a feeling.

[Kathy]

But do you see it with him?

[Susan]

Do you think like when Nicole kisses him? I feel like Nicole just getting his attention. Show him how good she could be at this. I don't know if her heart's in it. She just wants attention. I'm not sure about Nicole's long term feeling about him. Yeah, I know she likes to be front and center. She likes attention and she likes to kiss him.

[Kathy]

Oh, wait a minute. Are we talking about Susan or Nicole?

[Susan]

I always front and center. But.

[Kathy]

And you love kiss you.

[Susan]

I'm not kissing.

[Kathy]

You know what? If I ever get to see Mel, I'm gonna say, could I be number 24? Oh my gosh. Could you believe on the show, by the way? I mean, this is what happens to me. I say these things with. Because it's just what comes out of my mouth. I'm sure I'm gonna take flack from that. You know, I know every secret door in this house and I'm Mel, I'm coming for you. I'm like, you know, so when I see him, you know, I may have to give him just a little peck if I get to meet him.

[Susan]

I was impressed the way the house looked and our candy jars. And I know that feeling that I had walking in there was like, oh my God, the bathroom without the mirror on the first floor.

[Kathy]

All I can say is after watching episode three, I feel like something's building and then it ebbs and flows and I want to see more of the flow. I want to see Mel committing to something and someone a little bit more than he is. I can't wait for next week.

[Susan]

Yes. And did you happen to hear the. Remember last week, the coming attractions, which I can't believe, as you said, they didn't show you starting the Philip pillow fight with the. I remember catching that this week. I caught something that was like, oh, one of the young ladies saying that they were having a conversation between them about the reasons they're there.

[Kathy]

Yes. And somebody said that somebody was there to be whatever, an influencer. And then they said, yeah. And then one of them said, here we go. I thought, oh, here we go. Know someone said, I don't remember which one. She's here for the wrong reasons. And Cindy pipes right up and Says, you tell him. And I thought, yes, Cindy, spread the dirty work out. Let somebody else.

[Susan]

She makes Robin tell him. Robin's the one that they're there. And. And that reminded me of stuff with us. Like, who's gonna be the. The bad guy and go tell him.

[Kathy]

Hello?

[Susan]

What's going on? Yeah, hello. I know.

[Kathy]

Yeah, but I. I can't wait for us.

[Susan]

I mean, these women watched us and then watch us now. We knew nothing about social media influencers. Whatever happened, happened for us. And I feel blessed. I mean, we have a podcast. We get to talk about the show.

[Kathy]

What are you talking about? You got a guy. Listen, you can talk about. Finally.

[Susan]

It wasn't on the damn show. It was two years later.

[Kathy]

Yeah, well, I'm waiting for the guy, and it is two years later. So this coming this year, okay, 2025 or 2026.

[Susan]

But no, 25. Okay, but. But as Frederic would say. But these women, did they all go for love?

[Kathy]

Kathy, you know what? Because they have a different gender. I think as we keep going through the season, everyone's motives are going to become more clear. I think it. It's always Mel. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes or in this case, his sneakers for anything, because he is the guy that has to judge these women and make choices. And you know what I keep saying to you? I'm a woman who supports women. I want them all to find love. I want them all to find happiness. And next week, you know, there's going to be more women going home. But hopefully Mel is feeling more comfortable, literally, in his sneakers and let loose a little letting loose, and is going to start opening up and let himself feel vulnerable.

[Susan]

The loosest I've seen is in that kitchen with the. The chef there. Like, he was whipping. They would look like they were having fun. They really did. That was the best part.

[Kathy]

But we'll see.

[Susan]

Until next week, everybody enjoyed our comments and thoughts on this week's episode.

[Kathy]

Let us know what you think. Yeah, we. We're saying the same thing. We want to know what you. You think if you're enjoying this season. We're. We're with you guys. We want Mel to find love. We want everyone out there to find love. So let us know what you're thinking. And until next week.

[Susan]

Yes. And be sure to follow Bachelor Happy Hour. We have new episodes, and we will talk about every episode of this season. So look forward to it.

[Kathy]

And follow, follow, follow us and listen to Bachelor Happy Hour golden hour on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts until next time.

[Susan]

Thank you.

[Bobby Bones]

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I pulled up real quick. He was about to leave on tour. You're about to jump in your tour bus and we had like three hours.

[Bailey Zimmerman]

It was really cool. He really just like randomly showed up to my house. I'm like, oh hey Diplo, what are you doing? He's like, I have a song that I want to show you. And I was like, okay.

[Bobby Bones]

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